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Is This The BEST 308 Rifle of 2023?
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- Опубліковано 2 лис 2023
- Welcome To Ron Spomer Outdoors! Today is the last day of 308 Week. It's been a it's been a long week. We did three other sessions with groups of three rifles in each kind of classified in different categories, a different type for different types of shooters. So, which rifle is the best of the bunch? Stay tuned to find out.
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For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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For the money, you can’t beat a Tikka for consistent quality, particularly the smoothness of the bolt, and accuracy out of the box.
agreed, a Tikka action and a Ruger action do not come from the same planet
Word up, best value
Agreed 100%
I concur captain
Their trigger is quite underrated as well. Especially if you swap the spring.
BTW...I enjoyed watching this new format with Chase and yourself chatting off the cuff. It's sincere and it works. The beautiful fall scenery is awesome too!
I loved the whole series. Im a .308 lover. I got to meet Melvin Forbes at the New Orleans S.H.O.T. show about 25 years ago. I got to handle the lightest out there at the time. I met Col. Craig Boddington, John Sundra, Tink, and others. We love you, keep up the good work.
I have a CZ 550 Mannlicher stocked 308. I glass bedded the stock with a large pressure pad at about 2 inches off the muzzle. It shoots 5 shot groups with everything I've put through it under 1.25 inch. With the best handloads and factory favorites it is about a .75 inch 5 shot gun. I do like it a lot!
Overall the savage seemed to do the best with all three grain weights in the first video.
it just weighs a ton. I have the exact rifle and it shoots .5 - .25 W Hornady black 155g. I shoot from a tripod from a blind across a field ( 240 at longest distance). So its easy to shoot, but carrying that thing anywhere.... you better be fit.
The thing is a howitzer though. I can’t imagine walking to my stand with it.
As a Veteran I will take the AR10/AR15 pattern all day everyday. There are many lighter options and or DIY parts to lighten it and increase accuracy. Look at the new Ruger LAR! 6 pound .308!! I love Ron but he is what many call a “Fudd” (NOT an insult!), although he is at least willing to try the MSRs. Which has made me respect him even more! I would like to see an episode where he is introduced to what is available when you actually look. I’ve hunted 42 years and own bolt actions and lever actions but I have 30 years of extensive experience with AR rifles and I’m 100x more confident with em. As is most Veterans, which is why I think we are seeing more hunting versions of the AR nowadays. After a 20 year war we have SO many Vets and many of them hunt.
Many of our current brothers in arms are issued their rifle in 308. I have the BCA-10 and it’s awesome. Love it. Accurate. Little heavy but solid. Eats whatever you put through it. A lot less recoil than my savage axis (of course) and more accurate.
Ron, I think you should re-test these rifles with the same ammo, but only the threaded models and with a suppressor. Watching you shoot, I think you're pulling some shots, the amount your body moves, hand coming off the rifle entirely. Tame that recoil down by 40% and I bet those groups tighten right up. For 90+% of hunters, if the recoil is such that you cannot spot your shot as it goes downrange, it's too much recoil to shoot all that accurately.
the recoil was clearly a factor. Anyone watching can see that. @@Ds07777
This is a fun series, I'm glad to see Ron sit behind quite a few of the .308s My new favorite for the .308 is the Remington 700 SPS Tactical that was made after July of this year. Comes stock with the new Timney trigger and it shot the smallest group I ever have at .13 inches at 100 yards. I have owned several .308s and for some reason I keep going back to it.
Mine is a few years old, maybe 2015 ish. Barrel rusts easy and the trigger needs an upgrade
I got the 16" version of this and I went through 3-4 .308s before staying with this one. groups are fantastic.
Seeing that even Ron doesnt get his desired MoA makes me feel a little bitter about my off days. Even still, his bad groups are my best day. Absolute legend 🤠 always learn watching your videos.
Serious question, not just trying to be an ass, but how do you have an off day from a mount? Shooting from a mount tests the rifle, shooting off hand tests the shooter. If you’re shooting from a mount like he is, it’s a bad day for the rifle, not the shooter.
I'm not at all surprised the Ruger American did well. As you say, any given example of a given model can vary from one rifle to the other, but time after time, review after review, comment after comment, I have seen that Ruger Americans just tend to be consistently accurate with tighter than average groupings. Especially for such a budget rifle. But equally as important, they also seem to be a lot less finicky about what ammo or loads you put into them from what I have seen too. They just tend to shoot a wide array of ammo accurately, which is a quality that is not easy to come by. Every aspect of them may not be perfect, but they sure can shoot. There's no doubt in my mind about that. It's amazing how accurate some budget rifles are these days.
My Predator .308 has had the bolt buttered, bored out the barrel channel and filled then had the barrel and action cerakoted Jesse James Green. Hands down the best deer buster for the $$$. Although nothing I did changed the accuracy, it was already pretty good.
Agreed. I haven't shot many, but "unfussiness" for lack of a better word, is the best way that I can think of describing the Ruger American rifles' best quality. Mine are by no means lasers, but they just don't seem to care what you feed them to any great degree. I have a .22 Voere that literally will not chamber anything other than CCI standards because the tolerances are so tight. So, it's a great thing for a rifle to be able to use any ammo particularly with the lack of supply recently.
Enjoyed the 308 win videos. Would liked to have seen the m70 win. And the cva cascade in the competion.
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Where’s the howa 1500 superlite? I already know Ron would go with that one. Also the tikkas only have one size for the action. Which makes it so easy to re barrel and change calibers. Only down side to them is no threaded barrel on them
My first rifle is a Tikka t3x UPR. Added a scope and hit everything I aimed at right out of the box. Wonderful rifle.
How did Ruger manage to make the American series so damn solid at that price? It seems like we're in an age where added cost has become a matter of min-maxing and preferred feature sets. I'm loving it!
Well...a good accuracy from a package that usually doesn't have the hallmarks of a good rifle...filmsy stock, trigger, rough action, feeding problems...the real question is how come it shoots 1 MOA when the stock is warping and touching the barrel at random spots. After you wear out the barrel of a Ruger American, the action, trigger, and stock aren't probably good enough to justify a re-barrelling of the rifle...but its also at a price point where you could probably buy a whole new rifle for the same as a rebarrel would cost on another...so nothing lost.
so...to answer: probably mass manufacturing, along with probably the best business/manufacturing/inventory management out of all the gun companies. Typical gunsmiths/gun companies aren't known for either...good gunsmiths prefer to make each rifle they touch the best it can be...and that'll never work on a massive scale like Ruger. Remington and a lot of other manufactures ended up making promises but released stuff that didn't work...but Ruger stuck to the "it works" formula...but there is usually something wayyyyyy better for just a little more... my .02
they focused on what matters (barrels, shooting) and left everything else cheap .. like stock .. coz they know .. aftermarket will take care of the rest .. perfect formula if you ask me
@zvonimirpastuovic1116 Fair enough. MDT just started offering the new Field stock for the American, too. It looks like the stars are aligning. :D
@@CntBckt most def bro, i will buy Ruger predator soon and pair it with MDT chassis .. what i see on the web what ppl do looks so good and such fun xD
@@zvonimirpastuovic1116 Hell yeah. >:D
Ron! I have been a .308 guy for years. Kinda because of the military reasoning. However, after this series with the history and the ballistics you gave, I’m now not as fond. I love the .243, 257 Weatherby, .270 and plain Jane .30-30. I find them more fun actually. Once again thanks, this was really eye opening and I won’t feel so guilty about letting my .308 x2 fall to the back of the safe a bit.
I found it interesting that with the savage you shot one ragged hole with 150 grain and today a 1+1/2 inch group with the 150.
He’s not erik cortina leave him be
He shouldn’t have that extra cup of coffee.
Welcome to savage !
@@TexasLonghornRanchit's a real thing. I shoot b4 I eat breakfast. Plus coffee and groups are gross. Twice as bad if I have nicotine.
7:08: I’ll go ahead and just say it. As much as I love watching his videos discussing cartridges and length, Ron is doing a terrible job at recoil management. His shooting hand comes flying off the rifle, and the butt pad dips down underneath his shoulder pocket. I seriously doubt he’s able to still see the reticle while he’s breaking the shot.
The front rest is too high, and Ron heavily blades away from the rifle, with only his right bicep available to absorb recoil. He would greatly benefit by squaring up behind the rifle, and with a consistent firm hold, drive the rifle straight back to the rear.
To be honest, I’m kinda surprised to see this bad of a shooting form from a prolific gun tuber. It would do Ron some good to reach out to Phil Valeyo and Caylen Wojcik at Modern Day Sniper and take a class on natural point of aim, second sight picture and recoil management.
I like my Mossberg and Howa better than the Nula at $4k nearly. I put my whole .308 suppressed rig together including the can, scope, mount, sling, fees etc for only $1540. If I wanted something that light, I'd have to go for the Howa SuperLite line and get a sub 5lb rifle for $1050 or so and then add scope etc.
I bought the ruger American when they first came out - shoots lights out up to 350 yards awesome gun. I have Bergara , ca rifles the ruger stands with them all and has taken the most game .
Mr Spomer. Good on you for hosting and corresponding with other writers/content producers. Thank you for being a community Man.
I would have been interested to see a CVA Cascade in the mix.
My favorite 308 hunting rifle is the one that I don't have.. yet 😊
I like the Ruger Hawkeye Compact laminate.. the Browning Micro Midas.. the Henry Long Ranger.. the Remington model 7
To name a few..
I've had two 308's that I've sold.. a Savage 110 and a Savage 14 American Classic ( beautiful firearm )
Who doesn't see 308 Winchester everywhere on the shelves ❤
CVA Cascade would be another to try!
I've had my Ruger American Predator in 308 for about 6 years now and it has been my go to hunting rifle. I use the Hornady Precision Hunter 178gr and I've taken elk, whitetail, pronghorn, and caribou. Next year I'm going to Texas to hunt aoudad ram but I'll be using Barnes TSS just because they are the toughest little animal I've ever shot.
Yup I got the exact ruger 308 and with my nomad Lt it's perfect
I have that exact Remington 700 in 22-250 and YES I too got pitting in the end of my barrel, I had to take it to a gunsmith and have him shorten and recrown the barrel.
I just picked up a T3X CTR 20 inch barrel in 308win and i love it for a do it all gun
If still available, the Mauser M18. Budget price with lots of the right stuff. Like, field strippable bolt, flush 5 round detachable mag, short bolt throw, great trigger and darn good ergonomics, at a budget price😊
Ron was actually right when he pointed out that the tikka action looks a little long. They dont make actions for caliber groups like the Sako does. one fits all😊
You're right. One size receiver and they install different bolt stops.
@@michaelmason7591
No loose tops
Solid
The Tikkas are built on a standard action, not an optical illusion! They just use a bolt stop on the short action cartridges
I'm surprise Spomer isn't more versed on the Tikka!
@@grantcallegari Tikka's big gain in popularity is fairly recent, at least for someone like Ron, who, as it says in the description, has been writing about the "outdoor life" for 44 years. I suspect that a lot of his familiarity with newer rifles comes from companies sending him new models or sponsoring hunting trips. It is possible that Tikka doesn't do that.
Ron, can you please get ahold of a Savage 110 Ultralight? I'd love to hear your thoughts.
I also wondered what they'd think of the Savage 110
I’ve had the savage in 308 ultra lite for three years,,and I love it ,,threaded barrel ,,22 inches ,,,trigger came out of the box at an even two pounds no creep ,,I hunt with a lot of clothes on and as soon as I got this rifle I shortened the length of pull to 13 and a half inches which made it extremely comfortable to shoot with a lot of clothes on ,,it will shoot one ragged tear at a hundred yards with IMR 4895 and 168 grain gold dot bonded bullets.
Great review!!! I almost bought that Tikka, but I bought a Bergara B14 Hunter and it is the most accurate rifle. I can easily get 2 +- inch groups at 200 yards using my pet reload Nosler 150g Expansion Tip solid spitzer on top of 43g of IMR4895 lit up by a CCI34 in a LC case.
Put that tikka in an mdt chassis, watch it run sub 1/4" group
I have that setup and I love it
1955 Savage M-99f 308 is all I ever needed
I bought a CVA Cascade in 7 rem mag. I'm very impressed with this rifle and the price was great. The trigger was similar to a Timney trigger made for a rem 700. It has a Bergara barrel because they're owned by the same company. The Stock looked plastic, but it's actually a fiberglass stock. It's much stronger feeling than most plastic stocks.
Good info, thanks. I looked it up and BPI Outdoors owns Bergara and CVA. So it is very likely that CVA has barrels made by Bergara.
@@cacinaz8802the action and barrels are made by Bergara for the CVA !
Come on Ron you didn't even test the Savage Impluse in 308. A nice accurate straight pull design. Maybe you don't like groups with touching bullet holes
I don’t think I would trade my 20 year old 700 Remington.270 for any of those rifles but just partial. Good videos Ron 👍👍
Grandad is that you ?
I have the same AR 10 with the Giselle trigger. I absolutely love it! So accurate. I have it topped with a Leupold VX5 fire dot. I agree it is too heavy to hunt with, at least out west where I am. But if you are eyeing one of these, you can't go wrong.
I like' em all!
Picking from this group it would be Ruger for hunting. With a decent scope you have yourself a shooter you aren'tworried about scratching. I'll take the Savage for more distance and the AR 10 platform for something needing quick follow up shots. Here we have proof that expensive doesn't always equal best accuracy. At least from the factory loads we have here. With tuned handloads and some practice familiarizing, any of these rifles would be good shooters in my humble opinion.
In the end I have a propensity to want to do my own work on my rifles. Here that puts those you can buy prefit barrels for and have a lot of aftermarket accessories at the top for my safe.
They do still make rifles with walnut stocks, right?
Always check the crown ,,,before installing breaks ,that’s the last the bullet touches ,untorqued screws ,there’s more ,great vid !
fantastic series. Ron is one of the few youtubers I would happily sit down and chat about guns.
You choose a RAR over a Tikka T3x stainless?....All i can say is wow!!
Haha...there a a few rifles I hide from my girlfriend! The Wilson Combat NULA looks like a sweet rig but I'm a sucker for the Tikka. Best BANG for your BUCK out there!
Bergara
Easily the best video week on UA-cam. I still feel my X-bolt SR 308 was the best purchase I could make but I really enjoyed every video.
MOA with Norma ammo and a can on the end.
Settin in front of that maple is perfect ron….ive get me one of those tables…I handload and test as my #1 hobby and layin prone for 3yr has got to change…all these groups are within the first 100rds of the rifles and I guarantee you after a few and right fouling they’ll tighten up…I shot a actual 1 hole 3rd group with my 6.5prc waypoint with 135a tips and n560 cci primers…same size as a single hole and can’t determine where 1 center is vs another to even measure…right at 3k fps
I have the Winchester 70 Featherweight... love that rifle and no way I'd ever sell it. It's just too pretty and accurate
Almost hard to believe that last shot from the Ruger American wasn't a pulled shot. Maybe it wasn't, but goodness it's flying way out of the "2 shot group".
He's got a few pulled shots throughout this vid unfortunately.
I own the Bergara B14 HMR and a Ruger Scout. The Bergara is awesome, amazing action, accurate and HEAVY. I just do stand hunting so it’s not an issue. The Ruger is similarly accurate, it’s lighter, stainless, has BUIS, but has a really clunky action. I like them both for different reasons.
I also have a B14 HMR in 308, mine is a wilderness model.
Killed a lot of game with it, good accuracy with 150/165 grains.
The height definitely is a thing 😂
I bought a wood stock from Bergara Timber model, and installed with de 5 round aics mag. Had to do some gunsmith work and bedding…but ended up getting a nice rifle.
Killed a red stag today with it
Hi, I'm a person who doesn't often wear detgles on videos, and I really wanted to say this. Thank you for posting this video. I'm a person who values design when purchasing a gun, so it's an important video for me. Thank you
Ron spooner on 308 win everyday is like Christmas early
Great series, I think I'll stick around, I really like you no BS style.
God bless you and our beautiful Country.
Get a Desh industries bolt lift kit, and a Glades Armory extended bolt handle and knob. I changes the bolt cycling greatly.
Why not test the Howa and Weatherby Vangaurd. Best valse for money.
Picked the wrong Tikka for 308.
Try something shorter for balance with slightly more weight. 308 CTR is my baby. 20inch semi varmint with the heavier 10rnd mag contributng to the position of centre of gravity. Better than the T3x Lite. Ruger with Tikka quality.
They didn’t pick the wrong tikka. I had one identical to the one they’re shooting and it was sub MOA with anything you fed it.
Would like to have a listing in the timeline so rewinding and reviewing would be easier. Great content.
Everyone forgetting that you can get the browning for the same price as a tikka, I may be biased but the browning x bolt is a tack driver and the wood models are gorgeous
bullets,rifles,shotguns and ammo. LOVE your take on this topic. KEEP up the good work.
bergara B-14 Wilderness ?
Anybody can pick a "high dollar" option!
All 3 rifle you throw the last shot. Might be shooter area. Also stop talking while your shooting can cause flyers.
Older long time shotgun hunter, just bought my first high powered rifle at 60! Loved the 7mm-08 cartridge after much research, but I wanted something I didn't have to hunt for ammo and wanted accurate/reasonable. Picked up a CZ Alpha 600 in 308 for about 450$
Nothing is as smooth as a Tikka. Well, maybe a Sako.
Dude yanked the last round down on the last group after shooting two in the bullseye and says “they’re all shooting the same groups” 😂
Puts the Tikka down and then proceeds to have magazine dropping issues, safety issue, cartridge feeding issues and mushy trigger complaints. Because the tikka has a longer non-threaded barrel. Lol.
Kimber mountain ascent!!!
Great series of videos Ron very interesting and informative 👍👍
Great series, really enjoyed it. I have a DPMS G2 AR, Tikka T3x Tact A1, Howa 1500, and Ruger American. If I could only have one it would be the Ruger not that it's better than the others in fit and finish or pure accuracy but it's a sub MOA gun with my loads, the one I take hunting (used to take the G2), light weight, short enough to host a suppressor, and works well from the bench. Not much to not like. Don't get me wrong I love them all but if only one the Ruger wins.
Seeing as shit is about to hit the fan here in America, the PSA AR10 gen 3 would be the obvious choice for me. 20 round capability, great accuracy long range for hunting deer or defending your property or life. Put a 2 point sling on it to help carry the weight around if walking longer distances.
Nice video I'm just surprised they didn't show the weatherby Van Guard.
We all want to know if our rifle made the list…
Hi Ron, with you commenting on the length of the action on the Tikka there, I Believe they make one length action to suit all cartridges. Little longer then a short action, and a little shorter then a long action. They shim their magazines to make up the difference on the shorter action rounds. No optical illusions here, just a medium sized action. Great eye for spotting that.
Glad u featured .308, different loads and different rifles 🎉
I really liked this series of videos, I was really hoping you would've chose the savage to me it was the all around winner but I'm a little biased since I've owned a savage for the last 13 years and not even an expensive model.... I have the first iteration savage axis without the accu trigger chambered in 270 Winchester, that thing does sub moa groupings at 130 yrds with almost every round I put through it... At the same time though I really like Ruger and was hoping you'd pick it as well... but I think for most people, all the rifles did well and will definitely put meat the freezer. Especially when you start to talk about hand loading rounds and really dialing in the powder and projectiles
That expensive Wilson looks like it gives you a purple shoulder and didn’t really seem to shoot much better than the rest 😄 , great overall video 👍🏻 still love my 6.5 Creedmoor.
I think that Ron did this series because it has become a meme that he hates the 308. Also, putting "308" in the title probably get him more views. Although the 6.5 Creedmoor is an excellent cartridge, there seems to be a lot of people who just love to hate on it.
The .30-'52 RULES !!!
🤣
Not just different loads of ammo, different brands also
Would love to see you review and test the Kimber 84M Hunter Pro in .308! It’s a lightweight rifle under 6 lbs, but also quite accurate with the right ammo. So far the best groups I’ve achieved have been with Hornady American Whitetail (Interlock) 150 gr, which were as small as 0.5625”! Not bad for $29.99/box factory ammo in a rifle not designed to win any matches.
Another top notch episode. . Audio, video and production are excellent! Very informative!
The Ruger and Savage shot the best groups outta all the rifles, hands down, and I watched every video of this series.
JMO, but to fairly judge all examples the same model scope should be used. Not all optics are created equal.
I'll stick with my Weatherby Vanguard.
1/2in moa with handloads and an ergonomically designed stock that tames the recoil beautifully.
I would have definitely had a Weatherby in the review!
Vanguard is a howa 1500 action
My Remington 700 AAC -SD 308 loves to rust so you need to take a lot of great care with it
Thank you.
I have the Savage FCP identical to the one being used other than the optics, i am using an Athlon BTR Gen2 10-40x56. With bulk LC ammo it groups averages at 100yds of 5/8" and using Federal gold match 168gr. consistently shoot groups 1/2" and sometimes get 3 in one ragged hole.
Out of all of them that Nula Model 20 from Wilson Combat is my favorite.
great video Again Ron looking forward to seeing you and Jason in the field ...👍👍
The Sauer 100 is in the same price point as a Tikka but the Tikka is just a better rifle!
You missed out on a Winchester 308 lever gun...
The savage and the ruger were surprisingly good and low cost. The Tikka and nula were great too but you sure pay a lot more for them.
Great series 👍
Just wanted to say Ron, you're my go to guy for all things firearms! I've learned so much, I'm forever grateful! From Phoenix AZ!
22:59 Ron, the tikka's use a long action for all their rifles. Their short action chamberings use a block to keep the bolt throw shorter for the short actions. Tikka's are fanominal rifles, made in the same factories as sako's
Great timing . I've been hunting 35 years with the same m77 in 308 . I am going to get the Tika with the 7mm rem mag .
The Winchester Model 70 “The Rifleman’s Rifle”
"There may be a tikka T3 that has a threaded barrell" ... every T3 here in sweden comes with a threaded barrell unless its some special version with iron sights or something. Also you can just go to a gunsmith and get a thread on there :D In Sweden its very popular to hunt with silencers (dont need any licence for them anymore!).
Have you reviewed the CZ 600 Lux yet, looks nice .
What a wonderful series to watch! Best ever!
I’ve got a Tikka 308 with a muzzle brake. It is awesome. It shoots hunting ammo around.75” at 100. I haven’t tried any Federal GMM yet.
How long is the barrel?
One rifle that I love that gets short shrift is the Henry Long Ranger. Mine is very accurate. 4 shots, 4 kills. The only downfall is it is heavy (but it shoulders well), and the trigger pull is a bit heavy.
I bought a Savage 110 storm in .308 with the new accustock about 4 to 5 years ago for deer hunting. With remington core loks and Barnes vortex both in 150 grain this gun shoots .5 inch moa at 100 yards. I can stack 5 shots almost in the same hole. Most accurate rifle ive owned. Never lost a deer with the .308 ballistics wise it mmight not be the best caliber but for deer out to 300 yards its a great round.
What's the length of the barrel? And does it takes mags?
The savage axis with the new magpul hunter lite stock is my choice. Every other bolt gun is severely overpriced in this market. there’s no reason a bolt gun should cost more than an AR 15. They are much simpler to manufacture therefore they should cost less.