A really underappreciated running gag on this show is "characters appearing out of nowhere and startling each other." I never see it mentioned in reaction comments even though it feels as though it happens at least once per episode. Case in point in this episode: Beard sitting quietly in the dark waiting for Nate in his office.
Nate is what sometimes happens when bullied people suddenly get power over their bullies. Early on, Colin and Isaac picked on him - Isaac is too big and he's the team captain, but Colin is an easy victim for Nate to turn the tables, as is Will. Nate has wanted praise and power for so long that he doesn't handle them well.
A lot of people don’t like Nate’s arc, I think because we don’t like to think that sympathetic, bullied people can themselves become bullies. We like to think when a victim of bullying overcomes that bullying, they are a better, more empathetic person because of that bullying. But that isn’t how it always works, and I appreciate that Ted Lasso acknowledges that hurt people hurt people. There’s only one other show on modern TV that I can think of that does that, and it’s Cobra Kai.
This is true, but I think it's only part of the picture. Nate has been this way from the beginning. The very first time we meet Nate, he thinks Ted and Beard are just ordinary folks who have no right to be on the pitch (and therefore "lesser" than him, at least regarding the team). Instead of just civilly telling them that people not associated with the team are not allowed on the grounds, he barks at them to get off the pitch. I think it comes more from how his father treats him, and Nate mimics that attitude when he deals with people he thinks he's "above."
My mum is just like Nate's dad, and I was bullied incessantly though out my school years, and a bit at work. Having power and success kinda made me turn more into Roy though; I never felt that I deserved it, or anything good, and was perpetually pissed off with myself, but I'd put myself at risk with corporate defending those on lower rings of the studio ladder. Nate's behavior baffled me because nothing I've ever done would earn me parental approval, but my reactions to that are completely unlike his. Your explanation helps to make more sense of it though.
His arc is very one of someone who goes through years of bulling and suppression only to one day be handed power and authority. Those who have no power recognize its value. But, sadly very few have the discipline and self awareness not to abuse it if they suddenly find themselves wielding it
@@Strider91 It's not just bullying though, that's why it's more interesting in hindsight, because it makes much more sense when we see exactly how much each character has had to learn to see the world a bit different in order to cultivate better relationships.
I think Nate's been bullied for so long that any public attention that doesn't feel 100% positive (he doesn't like the Wonder Kid nickname because it reminds him of something stupid he said on national TV) sets off his "I'm being bullied" neural pathways and makes him feel bad. Like you guys said, it's basically a core belief of his that people will treat him like shit, so he sees it (and more importantly, feels it) everywhere.
I really like this show but i think it was weird that the writers never had Keeley apologize the Roy for having an emotional explosion at him after talking to everybody but him about her feelings. I get that it's the script showing the danger of bottling up emotions but geez, at least say sorry.
You are whatever and whomever the people present in that moment perceive you to be. If the people there love you then you are loved. If they all think you're an ass then you're an ass. What you think is irrelevant to how they will treat you which makes it irrelevant to everything. Hell, you don't even have to be present, that's how little your opinion of self matters. If a room full of people feel/think either of those things they remain the truth with or without you being in that room. And the point of passing on pain is punishment for not being there in the first place. You don't get to come along and be nice and undo everything that wasn't. You get blamed for not coming sooner or doing more to prevent that first stage of existing from even being possible. Too little, too late does not come with a prize package. It comes with payback.
At least in part, Nate elaborates that he's implementing "the hierarchy of abuse" when he's insulting Colin, which means that he sees himself above Colin and Will, but below the others. That would also explain why Roy coming back bothered him.
Nate is a born bully. The only reason he's only recently one, is because when he arrived he was bullied first. Sure, keep talking and miss story elements.
yeah, the first 2 seasons are nice but there's so much about s 3 that i don't care about.. (spoilers!!) . . . . . . . ..like i don't give a damn about zava or keeley's job stuff (and i love keeley!), they could've used that time a bit better :( i do love seeing more trent tho!
Some of the storylines in season 3 feel forced. I don't like when a new season makes big changes without showing. Feels like the characters are different people.
@@Jumpman67 true. they could've done more with less. and most of the banter doesn't feel natural, it's like they're just rambling stuff, stretching empty moments and expecting it to be funny. which is a shame because the chemistry between different personalities used to be so much fun in s 1 & 2
I think it starts out fantastic in the first season, quite good second season and just good third season. They didn't have enough interpersonal conflict to fill the third season so they brought in outside issues that then got thrown away.
"The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off."
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A really underappreciated running gag on this show is "characters appearing out of nowhere and startling each other." I never see it mentioned in reaction comments even though it feels as though it happens at least once per episode. Case in point in this episode: Beard sitting quietly in the dark waiting for Nate in his office.
It amazing that people almost never mention it.
Ariana was so moved at the end of that episode. Major league empathy right there, I love that about her.
Nate is what sometimes happens when bullied people suddenly get power over their bullies. Early on, Colin and Isaac picked on him - Isaac is too big and he's the team captain, but Colin is an easy victim for Nate to turn the tables, as is Will. Nate has wanted praise and power for so long that he doesn't handle them well.
Thanks for writing this comment so i didn't have to. Exactly.
A lot of people don’t like Nate’s arc, I think because we don’t like to think that sympathetic, bullied people can themselves become bullies. We like to think when a victim of bullying overcomes that bullying, they are a better, more empathetic person because of that bullying. But that isn’t how it always works, and I appreciate that Ted Lasso acknowledges that hurt people hurt people. There’s only one other show on modern TV that I can think of that does that, and it’s Cobra Kai.
Ted, beard, and Roy all protected and praised Nate. He's literally just someone who doesn't need power. Look at his character next season...
This is true, but I think it's only part of the picture. Nate has been this way from the beginning. The very first time we meet Nate, he thinks Ted and Beard are just ordinary folks who have no right to be on the pitch (and therefore "lesser" than him, at least regarding the team). Instead of just civilly telling them that people not associated with the team are not allowed on the grounds, he barks at them to get off the pitch. I think it comes more from how his father treats him, and Nate mimics that attitude when he deals with people he thinks he's "above."
My mum is just like Nate's dad, and I was bullied incessantly though out my school years, and a bit at work. Having power and success kinda made me turn more into Roy though; I never felt that I deserved it, or anything good, and was perpetually pissed off with myself, but I'd put myself at risk with corporate defending those on lower rings of the studio ladder. Nate's behavior baffled me because nothing I've ever done would earn me parental approval, but my reactions to that are completely unlike his. Your explanation helps to make more sense of it though.
Arianna "This isn't even my final form" Trent Crimm The Independent and Maple, hope y'all have a happy thanksgiving!
Nice breakdown discussion of the relationships in the show and relating it your own! Loving your watch through of this show.
Ted Lasso continues to set the bar for modern TV!" This episode hit me right in the feels while still making me laugh
Damn right too !
Nate's arc is more interesting in hindsight, but you're picking up all the little hiccups along the way.
His arc is very one of someone who goes through years of bulling and suppression only to one day be handed power and authority. Those who have no power recognize its value. But, sadly very few have the discipline and self awareness not to abuse it if they suddenly find themselves wielding it
@@Strider91 It's not just bullying though, that's why it's more interesting in hindsight, because it makes much more sense when we see exactly how much each character has had to learn to see the world a bit different in order to cultivate better relationships.
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I think Nate's been bullied for so long that any public attention that doesn't feel 100% positive (he doesn't like the Wonder Kid nickname because it reminds him of something stupid he said on national TV) sets off his "I'm being bullied" neural pathways and makes him feel bad. Like you guys said, it's basically a core belief of his that people will treat him like shit, so he sees it (and more importantly, feels it) everywhere.
Love this episode, Roy comes around! Favorite episode coming up very soon, can't wait.
Nah you're 100% right. People who leave hurtful comments online just have nothing positive going for them and lash out as a form of self vindication.
I leave hurtful, and outright hateful comments online. But only in response to hurtful hateful people. Basically, I only troll Trolls. 😉
OMG been loving your reactions!!! Greetings from Venezuela ❤
I really like this show but i think it was weird that the writers never had Keeley apologize the Roy for having an emotional explosion at him after talking to everybody but him about her feelings. I get that it's the script showing the danger of bottling up emotions but geez, at least say sorry.
Yall need to watch *OZARK*
100%
It's SO overrated .
@@CoolHandLuke-q1e to each their own, but I think it’s a great show.
You are whatever and whomever the people present in that moment perceive you to be. If the people there love you then you are loved. If they all think you're an ass then you're an ass. What you think is irrelevant to how they will treat you which makes it irrelevant to everything. Hell, you don't even have to be present, that's how little your opinion of self matters. If a room full of people feel/think either of those things they remain the truth with or without you being in that room. And the point of passing on pain is punishment for not being there in the first place. You don't get to come along and be nice and undo everything that wasn't. You get blamed for not coming sooner or doing more to prevent that first stage of existing from even being possible. Too little, too late does not come with a prize package. It comes with payback.
Wonder why Nate has issues with Colin...he was soooo nice to Nate when he was the kit man
At least in part, Nate elaborates that he's implementing "the hierarchy of abuse" when he's insulting Colin, which means that he sees himself above Colin and Will, but below the others. That would also explain why Roy coming back bothered him.
What? Colin literally bullied him cause of Jamie lol.
the first line was sarcastic
The time between Lasso reactions feels too long ;-;
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Nate is a born bully. The only reason he's only recently one, is because when he arrived he was bullied first. Sure, keep talking and miss story elements.
Pointless moaning they've already watched every season .
This show is pretty good but it definitely gets worse as it goes.
yeah, the first 2 seasons are nice but there's so much about s 3 that i don't care about..
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..like i don't give a damn about zava or keeley's job stuff (and i love keeley!), they could've used that time a bit better :( i do love seeing more trent tho!
Some of the storylines in season 3 feel forced. I don't like when a new season makes big changes without showing. Feels like the characters are different people.
@@Jumpman67 true. they could've done more with less. and most of the banter doesn't feel natural, it's like they're just rambling stuff, stretching empty moments and expecting it to be funny. which is a shame because the chemistry between different personalities used to be so much fun in s 1 & 2
“Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.”
I think it starts out fantastic in the first season, quite good second season and just good third season. They didn't have enough interpersonal conflict to fill the third season so they brought in outside issues that then got thrown away.