How to avoid Noise with C Log | CANON EOS R, R5, R6, 1DXIII
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2024
- This is what I do to avoid noisy C-Log with the Canon EOS R. I have been getting questions lately about why you are getting noise even in low ISOs. So here is what I do.
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I love seeing these kind of tests that prove which settings are the cleanest. Very well explained. It was very entertaining to watch. Good point mentioning that those of us who come to video are used to seeing less noise. I just have to live with that. Subbed!
Awesome. Welcome to the channel!
Damn!! This makes so much sense now. Im a photographer coming into the film world and been underexposing everything thinking I am about to preserve the highlights to find out that my footage is trash lol THANKS BROTHA!!!
Awesome! Glad it helps!
Same here! haha let's get it
Thank you for explaining it this way! Makes total sense to me now. I've been totally underexposing, and not using iso 400, 800, etc!
Awesome! I'm glad it helps!
Best video I’ve seen on this topic. Your explanation in plain English with examples is super. Thank you. Liked and Subscribed.
Awesome! Welcome to the channel!
Extremely useful, clear and well done. I was having such a hard time understanding how c-log works. Thanks a lot !
Sooo glad to hear someone embrace the noise. I'm leaning on embracing it for certain styles of filming, sometimes I kinda feel like I'm shooting a vintage 16mm film and that's definitely cool to me
Absolutely. I’ve shot projects on 16mm and the noisiest digital footage is still pretty clean in comparison.
This video is definitely eye opening and helpful! I've been shooting with a DSLR since 2012 but my background is traditional video. It was drilled into my head to NEVER add gain since it introduces way too much noise on a traditional video camera. I always approached ISO as I did with gain which is not the best way to think. Before I started shooting in log I always did my best to expose correctly and keep my ISO locked down at 400. That school of thought has worked for me for a very long time. More recently, I've moved from the Canon 5d to the Canon R5 (shooting in Clog-3) and to my horror, I've seen a crap ton of noise!!!!!! I've been underexposing slightly so I appreciate you reassuring me that it's okay to shoot at a higher ISO since you will be bringing it all down in post. I just needed someone to actually tell me that. LOL!! Thanks so much Ben!
Awesome, I am glad that was helpful. I started in a similar place where adding gain to your camera would add a crazy amount of noise. Luckily thinks have changed and processors/ sensors are so much better at handling the gain
The delivery of this information was so interesting that I found myself watching even though this technology is above where I’m at (and I don’t work with C-log or S-log). I’ll come back to this someday when I move on up in my craft! Great vid!
Thanks! I appreciate that!
This is incredible. Explained perfectly and now I finally get it. I knew I needed to shoot a little over on exposure but now I finally understand why. Thank you for this 🙏
Awesome! I love hearing that this was helpful!
This is one fabulous video, lovin' learning more about my R5 & particularly exposing & C-Log,
cheers Ben
thanks!
Thanks for this! Very informative in a way that's understandable. Also nice to find somebody from Vancouver too!
Hey that’s awesome
Just getting into Clog now. Great explanation, very helpful! Thank you
One of the best explanations that i have listened to , many thanks.
Glad to hear that!
Another excellent video with super-helpful information. Well done again and thanks for the tips!
Awesome. I hope it helps!
This video was VERY helpful. I've been trying to figure out why some ISO is noisier than others, Showing how all of the different ISO's are affected in the video was really helpful. I see so many videos that just say "Canon native ISO is 400" But your video showed me that 800 might actually be better for noise. Anyways. I hope you get 10,000 subs soon! Thank you for the information. Also, nice to see more BC content creators!
love the final iso explanations and examples
The ISO tests at 8:20 helped so much. That's crazy!
Awesome!
That was awesome man! Thank you SO much!!! You got my support. I have the R and I've been having some problems with noise and didnìt want to bring the ISO over than 800. However, you said something that I consider to be the KEY, nevertheless we forget all the time (I forget it all the time), which is "the scene will look darker in post" I had and have the tendency to look at my small camera display and think the final product will look like that. Anyway, I've been trying to do a kind of dark scene cause I like to play with light. Thanks man. Keep safe and keep rocking. Cheers from Italy 👊
Awesome! Thank you!
One of the best explanation on exposure..Thankyou so much for making such simplistic videos to understand technicalities in much simpler way
This was incredibly helpful. Thank you!
Thank you for this video. This is one of the best videos I’ve watched explaining C Log. All the other videos I’ve watched kind of confused me. 😂
The ISO thing blew my mind. Wow!
Daaaamn.. :D Finally the info I needed. Thanks for clearing it up and thanks for the examples!
Great! Glad it helps!
Super helpful. Great examples. Really appreciate it man
Glad it was helpful!
finally a video i was looking for. thank you !
Awesome! Hope it helps!
Very cool your explanations ! good job and thank for all your advices !
Awesome, I'm glad it was helpful.
Ben this is the best video on clog on UA-cam. Thank you
amazing,Thank you!
Was at a shoot today! It was an interview.. around 4000 iso would have been ideal because the room was dark (black walls)... Would I have been safe at 6400 ?
Dude, I am really thankful for this info! I just got the EOS R for my own channel and I started learning how to shoot/color in C Log. I'll be sure to give you the credit when I finally start mastering this tricky art.
Awesome! Hope it helped!
@@BenSchubert for sure. I did some test footage earlier without having watched your video. what I got was a bit noisy but with what I took away from your vid I'll shoot some more and see what I can do. Also, the Iso increment stuff blew my mind.
Haha awesome. I remember the first time I saw one of those tests was with the 5dmkii
@@BenSchubert hey man, hope you're well. Wanted to follow up and let you know things are going well with my own color grading. I did have a question, when shooting log what are you seeing you white balance to? Do you worry about it, or just change it in post?
Definitely a much needed video. Great job. Not much on UA-cam about shooting, exposing, and grading C-Log. Could you do a detailed video about how the external monitor assist you with nailing exposure? Like what are the clipping ire levels for C-Log? Sony says slog is 107.
Yes! I've been thinking about doing this. My monitor is the most useful exposure tool I use across different cameras. I'm not sure what the C-log Top end is I usually like to stay under 95 regardless. I find the trickier part is always making sure I expose high enough for clean shadows
Whoa. I never thought about using noise as a tool...I like your style bro!
Thanks!
Amazing helpful video!
I subscribed!
Big thumbs up!
Awesome! Welcome to the channel!
I’m in the middle of setting up a studio space with an EOS R so this is very helpful. Especially the fact that the least amount of noise is at the 400, 800, 1600 and 3200 ISO settings. With my lighting its probably going to be 1600 then. Thanks!
Great to hear!
this was so so so Informative! Thanks for sharing!
Glad you liked it!!
such an awesome video! I have the Canon R5 and have been playing around with CLOG with videos. Been an interesting adventure since im primarily a photographer
Thanks! Hope this helps
This is some legit good info to know! Thanks
Awesome, Thanks!
great content, very in detail
i appreciate
Great info man thank you! Just filmed my first video with C-Log and hated how noisy my background was but it’s simply because my room/studio background was way too dark
Glad this helps!
I am sooo happy that I don't have a photography background limiting my videography 🤣 excellent video and I love your attitude to noise. I'm a hobbyist entering the clog3 world and this helped a ton!
Man, that was exactly what I needed to hear. Great info in a tight script with real examples. The recap at the end was more valuable than I'd like to admit. You would crush a video breaking down and comparing the types of metering you mentioned. Like histograms, false colours, zebras ect ect. Anyways have a good day you perfectly exposed bastard.
Awesome, I have been thinking about doing videos about those for a while.
Wow this really explained a lot! Thank you so much
Great! I'm happy it helps!
Really great info here, thank you !!
Awesome. Glad it helps
One of the best videos I seen about this topic. I hate noise lol . Thanks for the tips
Thanks, I appreciate that!
Never knew about the ISO 400, 800, etc, golden nugget of info there!
It makes a huge difference
Yes agreed Matt!
the best explanation ever! thank you so much!
Awesome!!
This was so good! I have been filming at church where there is low light and using iso 400 and my footage was coming out super noisy! Now it all makes sense!!
Perfect! I'm happy it helps!
thanks so much for talking about this plainly. So many channels make this way too complicated in terms of log exposure.
Yah. It doesn’t have to be that complicated. Thanks!
@@BenSchubert helped me so much man I appreciate it
Ah! Why didn’t I think if that? Just because it seems there’s more dynamic range in c-log that doesn’t necessarily mean you have more flexibility in grading. I assumed I would have more flexibility with my darker exposures (I often have low light) but the truth is I need to anticipate crushing the blacks and not raising them! Thanks for the good advice.
I've been struggling with exposing for clog and this video is so freaking useful! Really clear explanation, think this will definitely help me out! Always had issues with correcting my clog footage when I filmed something inside of my house and my background was dark and not that well exposed. So I should rather expose for the shadows and make sure that that's correct exposed instead of my face/ body? Once again, super good video man, was really looking for this for a while!
Awesome, Glad it helps! My rule for exposing is; get as much light on my shadows without blowing the highlights. There is always a delicate balance with shadows and highlights.
@@BenSchubert That's a super useful tip man, thanks a lot Ben!
So glad I found this video. Yes coming to video from photography. Yes to not realizing how all that noise will disappear once the shadows are put in their proper place, Yes I shot at ISO 500. Ugh! LOL Thanks again for a clear and succinct explanation.
Very useful video! Thanks!
Awesome. Thanks!
Thanks lot , was a great video.
Thank you for this video. The ISO noise comparison was very eye opening. I shoot with Blackmagic 4k for most stuff but I also have the EOS R for photos. I want to use the EOS R on my gimbal because it's lighter. I shall be practicing with Clog thanks to this video. Sub'd!
awesome! Thanks!
Amazing Video! Keep going! More!
Thank you! Will do!
great video, just the iso noise part was enough for me the rest was cream with a cherry on top, thanks mate. Going to shoot more clog confidently now, just have to slow down and think about the shot a little more.
awesome! Have fun shooting!
Thanks a lot very helpful
Awesome!
Grazie e Complimenti !
Very good tips Ben 👏😉👍🏻 best cinematic greetings from a small german filmmaker
Thanks!
thank you Ben . You helped a lot !!!!! 🙂🙂🙂🙂
Awesome!
@@BenSchubert i almost forgot , you just gained a subscriber ! thank you !
Thanks!
this is great. i can see the zebras in your glasses too haha
good shit bro
Thanks!
Hi Ben, what do I do when I’m going for a dark moody look with one light on one side of face and shadow on the other? In studio environment, using an Aputure 120d as light source on right side. Face and skin are exposed properly, but the left side is dark and is noisy. Shooting iso 800 on Cankn C70, c-log 2. When I add more light on the left side, I lose the dark moody vibe I’m going for, even if I drop it in post. Any suggestions? Thanks!
Awesome tips! Coming from photography, now I get why I got such trash footage with my f*ckig expensive camera hahaha thank you!
Hi Ben, thanks for this video. It's actually helping me a lot as a new EOS R user.
I come from using the APSC sensor 90D, shooting at 3200 iso was a disaster. using the R at 3200iso makes the image look better to my surprise, however, I can still notice a bit grain in my video. It's far less but it's there.
I would like to know, do you use plugins such as Neat Video, and if you do, how often would you usually use it to clean out your videos?
Because I don't see myself going back to anything else but C Log. But hank you for this great video. Blessings.
Thank you.
Thanks! Sometimes I use DaVinci Resolve for denoising but I usually don’t use anything
Ben, are you shooting the video here in raw? Thank you so much for the great video by the way.
Oh, snap! I just realized that your funny silent head shaking and fist pumping at the sun shot reminded me of the videos from The Art of Manliness. LOL. Have you ever thought of doing a collab with them?
I’ve never heard of this channel but that name sounds right up my alley! I’ll check it out!
@@BenSchubert Oh man, you have been missing out sir! The website (which is the main web presence - the UA-cam channel is supplemental) is awesome. Basically spurred to help the millennial and Gen Z men learn from the way their great grandfathers used to do things - and being real men. Basically a recovery of old manly values and lifestyle tips, but it has great and sometimes random content from archery, to how to grow a moustache, how to build a log cabin, to why you should take cold showers, to how to be a good conversationalist. Great content!
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I was thinking my camera was broken, turns out I have unrealistic expectations haha! Thank you for your advice! (Not sarcastic, actually happy to learn this)
Glad I could help!
Earned my like and sub, I’m gonna go shoot and re shoot some video and if it at all helps with the noise “bar bands playing at night” then you shall keep my support. If not I’m gonna home run my eos r lol. Cheers mate great video. Will post another comment about the outcome
Thanks, I hope it helps
Great information! I primarily shoot fashion and interviews on my R. Would I really benefit from something like the Ninja V to get 10bit 422? Been debating between getting it or the shinobi to help with exposure.
It really does make for better footage especially if you grade in resolve. There is more room to move colours.
Hi, which LUT do you recommend applying on EOS R (C-LOG) footage? And do I really need to apply LUT’s?
Super helpful. Thank you. I’m currently trying to fall in love with my R6 (and feel good about the investment) but I am noticing the green/orange cast that can happen in skin tones will using CLog. I notice it in your video here as well. Any thoughts on this? I’m changed systems for sake of the Canon colors, so this one is hard to look past.
Thanks for the comment, I feel there is a lot to unpack in that question. Every camera system leans a certain way and will give you a cast of one kind or another, so its best to go with the one that leans in your preference.
I had someone say that about this video before and I double checked it on my scopes. half of it is fairly neutral and half of it leans magenta. It turned out that his monitor needed calibrating and was a bit too magenta so my neutral shots looked green and my magenta shots looked fine. First, you can either make sure you are referencing your videos on a calibrated monitor or make sure that the scopes confirm what you are seeing. If that is all clear then the 10bit in the R6 will give you a lot of room for colour correction in post.
Hope this helps!
there are only 2 ways: 1. neat video, 2. normal picture profile...and 3.: get a r5c
Which shutterspeed is best for interviews then? Below 250 still ok?m
This video is so helpful. I own eos r6 and I was wondering if I can lock the exposure setting and iso at the same time because if I decided to put the exposure +1, my iso becomes auto. I'm new to the canon system. I'd really appreciate it if you can tell me this because I couldn't find the answer anywhere.
Personally if I do auto it’s only on aperture. You can do iso but the noise will vary from shot to shot. Sometimes that is totally fine. If you are changing exposure often, I would recommend using a variable ND
Thank you very much... day 800 night 1600
Do you find using C-LOG at night to be an issue? On my C100 Mark II, if I'm shooting at night and theres only one light source, lets say a candle, I'm seeing these pulsing black lines on my screen. Do you know what this might be?
Can you shoot outside C-Log footage with an ND Filter on this camera. EOS R.
Yes. I do it all the time. Think of C-log like a picture profile.
THANK YOU. no seriously thank you
Perfect. Hope it helps!
@@BenSchubert it really was. probably going to watch again. I have been experimenting with log and love the advantages it brings (plus just ordered an atamos) but was frustrated with the amount of noise in shadows. the difference between 400-800 was pretty surprising. thanks for breaking this all down!
Thank you for your video! with the Canon R I notice a lot of posterization/ banding in the background, any solutions to that? will 10 bit fix it? thanks!
10bit really helps
Thank you for your help and yes I'm coming from a photo background and can't stand any noise but will try and will have to be more forgiving on the video side 😏
Thanks! its true, but start looking for noise while watching movies and you might be surprised how much there is
@@BenSchubert you're right, even big blockbuster, and not talking about vintage one or 80' series...I sadly even can see some sensor or lens dirt spots 😏Should disconnect my brain when watching them 😂
Hey can i ask: Shooting clog on the R6.....what should i set my zebra to prevent clipping? 85%? 90%? 95%? And when you set zebra to say 95%,....does that me you lower exposure until there’s zero zebras appearing? Is just a small amount of zebras ok? And excited to hear CLOG3 coming to the R6. All same rules apply to CLOG3 as CLOG? Many thanks!!!
I would do 95 to protect the whites from clipping. All the general rules apply for C-log 2&3. I have a video about C200 exposure settings which is 2&3 and it’s basically the same.
HI Ben, could you explain what are the best settings for sound in the Eos r?
I should maybe do a video about that. Short answer is you need to get the most signal (without clipping!) from your audio source to your camera and then aim for -6db peak in camera. I try to keep my volume levels in camera as low as possible. If I have a source that can send a good signal, like my wireless Lav, I will keep camera volume at the lowest point (1%). Generally when I’m using my D3pro I keep it at about 25%
@@BenSchubert thank you, I will be waiting for you video
Question: .....CLOG in low light? Thanks for the video. Helpful. I’m new to Canon. Coming from the XT4.
I use it all the time. Just make sure you are exposing enough.
Hi Ben, great video, at 9:35 when you’re exposing with Ninja V for a landscape with false colour (I love false colour tool), are you exposing for middle grey on the sky in the background or the trees in the foreground, I can see you’ve adjusted just before yellow for the sky so it doesn’t blow out, and is it as simple as that? What about say a night scene with a street light shining onto say a car, what False colour IRE on Ninja V should we be using to get a dynamic shot of the night lights etc, do we use the same theory, exposure for middle grey or orange on the areas in the composition that we want to focus on? Thankyou. New subscriber from Sydney Australia 🇦🇺👍🏼
This is a great question and frankly I keep things really simple.
1) I only use middle grey for critical exposure like skin tones.
2) For Daylight, yes I am only keeping the sky from clipping unless I am trying to get skin tones exposed.
3) Night scenes are the opposite of Day and I am just trying to get as much exposure as possible to keep blacks and shadows above 10-20 IRE.
Ben Schubert I just watched your EOS R settings again, you mentioned about shooting with the monitor and viewing it in HLG, which is great. Fantastic information in your videos, we really appreciate your informative videos. Can you also do a video on editing pc/laptop and your experiences/recommended setups? I’ve only got an iPad Pro at the moment with LumaFusion and so I’m stuck to internal 8bit clog 4k ipb and 1080 all-I, that is the limit with ipad iOS which sucks I can’t use 10bit clog, as the iPad will not work with ProRes and DNxHR codecs 👎🏼 Eventually would like to upgrade to a PC/Mac or laptop. Thankyou for your videos. Love the channel 👍🏼
I have a couple videos about my editing Mac. I use a 2009 Mac Pro and it is amazing for how inexpensive it was to build. Thanks for the support!
Here from your other video :), I'm going to try ISO 800. Does "Cinema EOS Original" vs "Neutral" make a difference in noise? Which do you recommend?
@Ben Schubert I'm definitely doing something wrong. Still just as much noise. No ND filter, FHD 23.98fps IPB, CLOG, 1/50 shutter, at f2.8, ISO 800. And the bokeh background has excessive noise, it looks so much better if I turn off CLOG. Could I be doing something wrong?
Firstly, eos original is what I use.
Secondly, log isn’t supposed to look good on its own. It needs contrast and saturation. The blacks and shadows have to be crushed. The noise you are seeing is always there, but you don’t see it in “normal” because it’s crushed. Try raising the blacks and shadows on a non c-log clip to see what it looks like.
@@BenSchubert Thank you Ben! Please keep making videos, super helpful. It seems to get cleaned up, but still looks slightly weird to me. I'll keep playing!
Also, all-i is a better codec than ipb, if you have the memory space , shoot all-i
subscribed shooting 800 or 1600 from now on. so do you have a video on how you apply lut and color correct????
I have an older one. I should do an updated one at some point
What are your camera settings in your talking head scene and what light do you use as a key light (Wattage)?? How do you expose your footage in this spesific setting?
Here is my setup. I also have a video on best settings for the EOS R. ua-cam.com/video/TKSn3i_2dOM/v-deo.html
800iso
23.976 FPS
60/s
f2.8
Aputure 300DII @ 50%
Small brick LED top light
1x1 LED on the floor lighting the wall
Thank you so much for your detailed answer!!👍❤️
Excelent video! I have a problem when I put luts in Premiere Pro because is to much noise. I don t have this problem without lut, after I edit my log fotage. I dont understand what is wrong? Maybe I have the wrong luts. I download luts for my EOS R from Canon USA. Can you help me? Thank you
The right Canon Lut fro the EOS R is the:
BT709-Canon Log to Wide DR 33
Thank you! This is for 8 bit, 10 bit or both?
8bit. 10bit will have a 10 in it
What about the Canon R5 ISO? Is it the same as EOS R with 200 increment too?
I haven’t tested the R5 yet but these results have been pretty similar on canon cameras since the 5dmkii.
@@BenSchubert Got it! Thanks, Ben!
What monitor do you recommend for eos r?
I use the Atomos NinjaV. The Shinobe is the same but without the recorder. There are definitely cheaper options but this is what I use.
Thanks for cleaning up the noise around noise.... see what I did there
NOICE!
@@BenSchubert 😂😂😂😂😂
Your skin looks green in the middle of the video but looks great at the end of the video. Is this a different iso or your color grading?
I did an ISO change halfway through. The first is 800iso then the second is 400. My scopes show the 400 iso was more magenta, your monitor might be a bit tinted a little on the green side.
@@BenSchubert gotcha thanks bro!
Good stuff! Sub
Thanks!
Is it still a fact that the ISO multiple of 2 is cleaner? On R5
I haven’t run the test yet but it’s been true for all the canon sensors I’ve shot for years so I assume it still holds.
This does not work. I have been shooting at 800 and under ISO. Still crazy amount of noise with my video.
Bro 5d mark iv and a7iii and EOS R and r6 which one is best for wedding photography and long term use
I would go with the R6, but all of those cameras have advantages and disadvantages.
@@BenSchubert what about 5d mark iv and photography is main purpose
For photography it’s great
Thx, that rule iso 800/1600 atc is specially for c-log or not?)
Not specific to C-log. First noticed this with 5DII. Sensors have different steps but they all have this. I recommend doing this test on every camera you are going to work with on big projects
@@BenSchubert wow big thx Ben, so to correct exposure need to use nd filters?
AOL!!!!
Does the noise come only when I’m using clog?
The noise is always there c-log just doesn’t hide it. You need to crush the shadows again after shooting
@@BenSchubert I’m gonna go with the the rp thank u for helping
Why is your skin tone so warm for most of the video then goes cooler. Was it the change in ISO?
I think that is exactly what happened.
how to edit in c log where is it? how to find way log, etc. ? background explanation ok. Didn't show the HOW which is in the video title
You should check out the other HOW videos I have titled specifically for those topics.