It's not such a stretch that Daemon thinks they killed Viserys. He just saw less than 48 hours prior that they were keeping him on the milk of the poppy, and the very minute Veserys refused it in favor of keeping a clear head, his first action was to take control back and foil the Green's plotting for Driftmark. Then Daemon and Rhaenyra leave and he's suddenly dead. As the viewers, we know that's not quite how his death went down, but the connection Daemon makes is logical, given the circumstances.
They also rushed crowning Aegon and never had the funeral, I think this could’ve been brought up to Otto when he came to Dragonstone with the green’s terms.
My only gripe with this episode is the people out there freaking out about how "Daemon would never choke his wife!" Really? Why? Because you like him? Because he's charming? Because the book historians claim he "loved" his family? As someone who survived an abusive father who was super charming, this is EXACTLY why we DID NOT get help until he completely lost his mind and everyone noticed it. And even then... so many people went to his defense because he was nice TO THEM.
Maybe this is exactly why they didn’t want Daemon to do this to his family. Because that is his only redeeming characteristic, that he cared about his family and Rhaenerya. Now he has none. So instead of being the grey character he’s supposed to be, he is an all out villain. He’s not how Matt Smith characterised him . But everyone is entitled to their interpretation
@@vanessalore9942 Because he briefly lost his composure and choked his wife, now he has no redeeming qualities? that's a bit of a stretch. He still cares for his family, he's is still a great warrior, he's still charismatic, his qualities don't just disappear cuz of one action lol
I read the scene of Daemon telling Jace he's going to show him the true meaning of loyalty differently. I don't think Daemon meant the kingsguards loyalty. I think he meant his own loyalty. Jace walked in looking all judgemental of Daemon making plans while Rhaenyra was incapacitated (is he really expected to sit around when for all he knows their family is under imminent attack?!) But at that moment when Rhaenyra is most vulnerable, possibly might even die as Laena did, Daemon gets the kingsguards to swear loyalty not only to Rhaenyra but he also reasserts Jace (who he knows is a bastard) as her heir ahead of his own trueborn pure Targaryen sons. That's Daemon's definition of loyalty. Even if he wanted the throne (which I'm not convinced he does), he's not going to usurp his wife, the same way he never tried to usurp his brother, the same way all those years ago when Rhaenyra confronted him at Dragonstone he backed down and returned the egg. I see Daemon as an emotionally stunted man capable of depravity but there's also more depth to him than he gets credit for. He's deeply hurt that Viserys never trusted him when his main goal all along is to protect and preserve what's theirs (yes, even if it means killing people) But hell that's partly why Rhaenyra married him right, to protect her claim? And her behaving like Viserys infuriates Daemon because it was his brother's passivity and allergy to conflict that lead to the Hightowers having so much power in the first place and to the problems Rhaenyra is grappling with now. Also I think Daemon showed a lot of restraint (a lot for Daemon anyway) and kudos to Matt Smith's physical acting because his entire body was like a closed fist seething with anger and a need for violence and vengeance from the time he learned of his brother's death and the Green's betrayal. If it had been anyone else but Rhaenyra standing in his way, Otto would be dead for better or for worst.
Yes. When she mocked him. which he hates more than anything, he walked away. Really, these two are made for each other. They’re both a mess. He could be back in Pentos right now with his children living a peaceful life
I think Corlys made the flip when he saw his grandchildren together and look adorable together. He made a glance over to them before saying his position, and looked happy.
I’ve been doing a rewatch before season 2 starts (YAAAYYYY). Thanks again! Vhagar: “You want an eye, I’ll get you an eye.” And another note, when Ashaya mentions Aemond accessorizing with his gemstone eye, it gives me Disney’s version of Captain Hook vibes.
With regards to Vermithor,I would have thought that Daemon would be one of the few people alive that the dragon would have met regularly when he was kept at the dragon pit.I think maybe it’s a possibility that the song was familiar to Vermithor and Daemon knows/hopes he will respond to it.
It is also possible that Rheanera showing restraint was more a product of being naive that being brave or smart? Also Otto told them he sent messengers to storms end and winterfell. Surely they knew greens were already there
For anyone doubting that the stillborn baby had dragon features, take a screen capture at 17:04. The baby very clearly has two little nubby hornlets on the back of its head and its back is entirely covered in scales.
Have loved having these streams back 💜 sad the season is finished. I know you said you aren't going to do a spoiler episode on Saturday for obvious reasons, would love a spoiler episode about the finale and how different it was to the book. Love you guys.
I think what confused me most about Viserys never telling Daemon about the prophecy is that their passion for Valyrian history and heritage was one thing they so strongly shared. They took different angles at how they viewed their heritage and studied/honored it. But I think the prophecy would've actually meant a great deal to Daemon if it had been shared with him by either Viserys or Rhaenyra in a different context.
I shall reiterate that Sean is the fandom's most prized and valuable Unsullied -- because we all know how much he doesn't like Daemon. And yet, he doesn't let his own feelings about Daemon colour how a scene is depicted or its characterisation potential. I love him, he is a breath of fresh air in the sea of all this fandom bickering. I, for one, love Daemon Targaryen . Have loved the character since before Matt Smith played him. I do not delude myself into thinking that Daemon's a good guy, he definitely is not. But that's not the reason why I love him. A character doesn't have to be good and kind and just, for me to love them. I love Daemon because he is such a complex character who is so very intriguing, and I admit would be a bit challenging to depict. I think all the ones upset about certain changes made are just upset that things didn't go as they imagined. But I also think their dissatisfaction was in part due to certain scenes that have been cut, with regards to Daemon. But, let's face it -- that is fandom in general. It exists in every fandom / franchise. I hesitate to say anything negative to these fans, because the truth is, they are upset because they're emotionally invested, as we are all. :) For me, the most biting line in this episode was when Borros Baratheon said "The House of the Dragon does not seem to know who rules it."
Agree. I’d add- anyone who watches this show & thinks- “Well this gives me permission to choke people & commit incest” was merely looking for justification for something they already wanted to do. Shakespeare’s Othello also features a famous choking scene. People want to dismiss Hot D cause it’s pop culture & widely enjoyed, but Shakespeare’s plays were the GoT events of that time (The Globe sat royals and also “penny groundlings” who were common people who could get in for a penny & get drunk. There were bear fights and prostitution - it was turnt). We don’t jump on stage to stop her or save her when Juliet stabs herself at the end of Romeo & Juliet. This is because over time people have learned how to regulate emotions so we can distinguish between fictional worlds from survival/real threats we have to act on. Art is the place that gives us a safe place to explore these complex moral quandaries so we can learn more about ourselves, our values, and others.
Why I hate this scene is that it overshadows Matt’s incredible acting, putting the crown on Rhaenerya’s head, being the 1st to kneel, protecting the island, and reaffirming loyalties. I’m never surprised at his behavior, but sometimes the writers just go too far
@@vanessalore9942 Yeah, i understand and your assessment is valid. I also tend to think the depictions of certain characters can be questionable, and that it’s more skewed to one side than the other. But it is what it is. Let’s just hope they stick the landing this time 😅 And, regarding Daemon, whatever it is, I am just grateful Matt Smith understands his character on a deep level….
@@kittyorasheepy Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely loved this season and the writing is better than I could have hoped it would be. Except for Rhaenys in 9, but nothings perfect. 😊
I think there were some irregularities with the premature baby, but not as much as described in the lore. Some premature human babies look quite otherworldly until they have a chance to grow
Rhaenyra's shone above all in this episode for me in each scene she was in from the opening scene to the end one....... Daemon was very strong , Luc was also convincing and the villainous Aemond had a brief cameo at the end. All the other cast did well......
The war was started when supporters of Ryanera where imprisoned and hung and Aegon took the crown. Not treating it like a war got her son killed. Baratheon is family, closer, and the house only exists because of house Targaryen. The Starks are more deserving of Jac being sent considering the army they control
Just like with sports, it is really easy to point fingers with the results in hand. No way Rhaenyra could have foreseen every detail. This is the version of Westeros Monday Morning Quarterback lol
I took Daemon looking at his brother’s crown very differently. I think it has finally sunk in for him that his brother is in fact dead. Because the last time he had this crown in his hands was when he placed it on his brother’s head. Now Daemon choking Rhaenyra on the other hand (not cool with it) but there was more to it. She starts rambling about something that isn’t their main concern. He’s in full battle mode. He sees Viserys in that moment (weakness and prophecies) and he needs her to be a dragon. But it’s also in that moment you see Rhaenyra really listening to her uncle’s words not fighting back. When she realizes that her father never considered Daemon his heir (well he was waiting for that son), but the moment he decides it’s her he tells her the prophecy. So it cements in her that she was not Daemon’s replacement after all. It’s also the same with Daemon, even from his grave his brother has hurt him. Towards the end of the episode Daemon singing to his grandfathers dragon I thought it was him checking in with these dragons. Making sure they are alive or waking them up. I’d like to think that’s how Jaehaerys approached his dragon by singing to him. And why she sent Luce (Rhaenys would have been the better option) Storms End was the shortest distance from Dragonstone . She probably thought he would be there and back given a day or two. If there was a storm he could stay the night there. When Rhaenyra was 14 (just like Luce) she snuck out to help Otto get the egg back from Daemon. At the time we cheered for her and was dumbfounded that Viserys was angry. That scene hits different now especially after what has happened to Luce. Viserys had every right to be angry with her. Let’s say Daemon did confront her or Caraxes did. He didn’t even know his only child left, instead heard of her return. But what if he was told other news instead like the one we witness Rhaenyra hearing in her final scene.
Just surreal a real King will be crowned while a new chapter in the A Song of Ice and Fire universe is being turned. Great imitation of Daemon's 'Ten yeeeeaaaaarrrrrs' I heard Aziz saying that in Matt's voice Saemyond Star Eyes moment was the best
It’s the purpose of art to generate exactly these kinds of debates. It’s healthy to question the art we consume & ask “Is this violence for a purpose?” I think the scene with Daemon ABSOLUTELY serves a necessary purpose in this context. Very literally, the violence has come home to the domestic space. He is the “blood of the dragon” and like the dragons in this episode, he’s not always in control of his own emotions AND he lives in a society which constantly reenforces that violence is the primary solution to problems. By no means is this couple portrayed as healthy - they’re compelling characters not models for behavior. Art is the space we can explore these types of debates & questions so we understand people totally unlike us (and learn our own values). Emma D’arcy & Matt Smith jokingly but accurately said the Targ problem is “They don’t talk to one another” or go to family therapy.
Vagar comes at Luc on the left side the same side that he attacked Aemond with the knife. Maybe that was on purpose but maybe not just thought it was cool if so.
There are people saying that Arrax should have been able to outrun Vhaegar because Vhaegar should be bigger and heavier. But that's simply foolish. Arrax could outmaneuver Vhaegar, but there should be no way it could outrun her. Think of it like a full grown adult chasing a 5 year old. The adult is bigger and heavier, but the legs are longer and stronger and the child has zero chance of outrunning the adult.
For Fire and Blood readers, I felt like when Rhaenyra said to Luc “I’m sure you’ll have a warm welcome”, she might’ve stopped, stared straight to camera and given a big wink.
@@theprimo100 oh they change it in the show then. In the books he was born in 110, making him 19 by the time he kills Luke in 129 (who is 13 in the books but 14 in the show according to the season finale)
I feel like Daemon going to sing to Vermithor is a call back to Episode 8 when he goes spelunking for dragon eggs. When he comes up with the clutch he just looked so happy, practically giddy! I think down in the caves with the dragons is his safe space, a place he possibly could have found in childhood, so after finding out about the prophecy, he ran off to the one place he knows A; no-one will bother him, and B; he seems to take genuine pleasure in being. Maybe the lullaby wasn't for Vermithor, maybe it was for himself.
Its not in the book but Lenor could be found and asked to comeback and Join team black under his new alias,. We seen him on his Dragon at war and could he be one of the Dragon riders that came when they try to find riders? Ser Erryk was told by his twin that Agon has bastards in Fleabottom. He could go back as his brother and get the kids and keep as valuable prisoners or offer them to try the dragons.
About the page given, I’ve had a head canon of some sapphic undercurrents between Alicent and Rhaenyra, ever since one of the first episodes and the quote about being comfortable in her position, with Rhaenyra’s head in Alicent’s lap. Maybe Alicent is saying we once loved each other, and I want you to live. Maybe the flea with your children hint, literally take a page out of Nymeria’s book and follow her example. But mostly the love they once shared.
I look forward to supporting Rhaenyra through her commission of war crimes next season just as I have Daemon through his many crimes this season. #TeamBlack 🖤
Under the circumstances, it was naïve of Rhaenyra to send Lucerys by himself. The second mistake she made was she didn't offer Borros a dignified way out of supporting the Greens. She should have sent Lucerys some sort of offering for House Baratheon. The baby just looked like a premature still birth. If Rhaenyra was 3-4 months along, the head is oblong in shape. I wish the show had clarified that the still borns were covered in scales, with a hole in their chest, tiny wings etc. Apparently it's just propaganda.
I didn’t see the dragon-stuff with the birth, but my unsullied husband was asking me if I saw that, and described seeing deformities. I still couldn’t really see it, even though I knew to be looking.
It’s still murder if you knowingly use deadly force without the intention to kill. Even first degree. Assuming self-defense isn’t at play, If you punch someone, they fall over, hit their head and die, that’s murder. It doesn’t matter if you were just trying to break their nose or something. So, just to be clear, what Aemond did is murderous, regardless of the intentions. Also, the motor cycle analogy is good, but replace the motor cycle with an F16 that happens to go rogue and fire missiles occasionally. Then it works.
Where is all the magic in a world with more dragons then ever before? What are your thoughts on an Old Valyria show done with animation. The budget would be a lot less and lend to using more of the magic, mystery and beastly aspects of this realm. Westeros seems a lot less developed then Easteros. Would be cool to explore a period of time where Targaryans are the lesser houses in a civilization 100x stronger then westeros is now. Also could lead into the real events behind the first long winter ( as unsullied) wasn't there an actual Ling winter in Westeros?
It was bad to us but Daemon grabbing her neck was to get it clear, we are at war with these people, we knew it was coming. dont tell me about a dream this is serious. She would never send the Princes as envoys in war times, they would be valuable prisoners in a war.
Okay so I get Sean trying to stay impartial and like alicent, and I can get behind that sometimes, but she plotted with her father from the moment viserys died. She acted upset at this plan but she’s been working on this plan along with her father for 20 years. She told aegon he had to marry helaena to be his queen and bare his children. She conspired against her husband and knowingly betrayed his wishes. The only power she had was through viserys.
Guys, we have to stop basing our enjoyment on wether or not it happens exactly like it does in the books, it's an adaptation. It should simply be judged on if it's good, so please book readers, stop pooping on the party, it's BEYOND exausting. I know there are different opinions on what GRRM said about book cannon vs show cannon in your interview, but I thought he was pretty clearly saying that they were different.
I sincerely hope that the great success of HOTD will inspire HBO to have 2-3 ASOIAF shows running all at the same time, with no overlap in when they are played. Maybe it will take another year or two, but it'd be great if we had ASOIAF content being released practically year round in different forms and focused on different eras and characters. Obviously, I want GRRM focused on writing, but I will still support all the shows if this is the way he wants to explore the world as he seemingly has struggled to really get the books to where he wants them to go (not surprising, writing a Magnum Opus is never easy and he has the added weight of so much displeasure from the fandom about the way the show ended that could detract from the books' success if he doesn't wrap up storylines well - even if not how fans predict).
As a war veteran, I can tell you there’s a difference between having experience at War and having experience in combat. The difference is highlighted when Daemon is talking about how to siege the Red Keep and smash the enemy, and Corlys’s plan to cut off points of critical infrastructure in order to weaken the enemy. It’s like a First Sgt. told me, NCO’s have to be tactical to survive on the battlefield, officers need to be strategic to win the war. ✌🏾💪🏾
It's not such a stretch that Daemon thinks they killed Viserys. He just saw less than 48 hours prior that they were keeping him on the milk of the poppy, and the very minute Veserys refused it in favor of keeping a clear head, his first action was to take control back and foil the Green's plotting for Driftmark. Then Daemon and Rhaenyra leave and he's suddenly dead. As the viewers, we know that's not quite how his death went down, but the connection Daemon makes is logical, given the circumstances.
They also rushed crowning Aegon and never had the funeral, I think this could’ve been brought up to Otto when he came to Dragonstone with the green’s terms.
My only gripe with this episode is the people out there freaking out about how "Daemon would never choke his wife!" Really? Why? Because you like him? Because he's charming? Because the book historians claim he "loved" his family? As someone who survived an abusive father who was super charming, this is EXACTLY why we DID NOT get help until he completely lost his mind and everyone noticed it. And even then... so many people went to his defense because he was nice TO THEM.
Maybe this is exactly why they didn’t want Daemon to do this to his family. Because that is his only redeeming characteristic, that he cared about his family and Rhaenerya. Now he has none. So instead of being the grey character he’s supposed to be, he is an all out villain. He’s not how Matt Smith characterised him . But everyone is entitled to their interpretation
@@vanessalore9942 It shouldn't come as a surprise after him bashing his first wife's head in with a rock.
@@vanessalore9942 Because he briefly lost his composure and choked his wife, now he has no redeeming qualities? that's a bit of a stretch. He still cares for his family, he's is still a great warrior, he's still charismatic, his qualities don't just disappear cuz of one action lol
I read the scene of Daemon telling Jace he's going to show him the true meaning of loyalty differently. I don't think Daemon meant the kingsguards loyalty. I think he meant his own loyalty. Jace walked in looking all judgemental of Daemon making plans while Rhaenyra was incapacitated (is he really expected to sit around when for all he knows their family is under imminent attack?!) But at that moment when Rhaenyra is most vulnerable, possibly might even die as Laena did, Daemon gets the kingsguards to swear loyalty not only to Rhaenyra but he also reasserts Jace (who he knows is a bastard) as her heir ahead of his own trueborn pure Targaryen sons. That's Daemon's definition of loyalty. Even if he wanted the throne (which I'm not convinced he does), he's not going to usurp his wife, the same way he never tried to usurp his brother, the same way all those years ago when Rhaenyra confronted him at Dragonstone he backed down and returned the egg. I see Daemon as an emotionally stunted man capable of depravity but there's also more depth to him than he gets credit for. He's deeply hurt that Viserys never trusted him when his main goal all along is to protect and preserve what's theirs (yes, even if it means killing people) But hell that's partly why Rhaenyra married him right, to protect her claim? And her behaving like Viserys infuriates Daemon because it was his brother's passivity and allergy to conflict that lead to the Hightowers having so much power in the first place and to the problems Rhaenyra is grappling with now. Also I think Daemon showed a lot of restraint (a lot for Daemon anyway) and kudos to Matt Smith's physical acting because his entire body was like a closed fist seething with anger and a need for violence and vengeance from the time he learned of his brother's death and the Green's betrayal. If it had been anyone else but Rhaenyra standing in his way, Otto would be dead for better or for worst.
Yes. When she mocked him. which he hates more than anything, he walked away. Really, these two are made for each other. They’re both a mess. He could be back in Pentos right now with his children living a peaceful life
Aemond lost so much control, that he started shouting commands in English 😂
I think Corlys made the flip when he saw his grandchildren together and look adorable together. He made a glance over to them before saying his position, and looked happy.
I’ve been doing a rewatch before season 2 starts (YAAAYYYY). Thanks again!
Vhagar: “You want an eye, I’ll get you an eye.”
And another note, when Ashaya mentions Aemond accessorizing with his gemstone eye, it gives me Disney’s version of Captain Hook vibes.
With regards to Vermithor,I would have thought that Daemon would be one of the few people alive that the dragon would have met regularly when he was kept at the dragon pit.I think maybe it’s a possibility that the song was familiar to Vermithor and Daemon knows/hopes he will respond to it.
It is also possible that Rheanera showing restraint was more a product of being naive that being brave or smart?
Also Otto told them he sent messengers to storms end and winterfell. Surely they knew greens were already there
For anyone doubting that the stillborn baby had dragon features, take a screen capture at 17:04. The baby very clearly has two little nubby hornlets on the back of its head and its back is entirely covered in scales.
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24:30 that would be Vermithrax Pejorative from the legendary Dragonslayer!
Have loved having these streams back 💜 sad the season is finished. I know you said you aren't going to do a spoiler episode on Saturday for obvious reasons, would love a spoiler episode about the finale and how different it was to the book. Love you guys.
I think what confused me most about Viserys never telling Daemon about the prophecy is that their passion for Valyrian history and heritage was one thing they so strongly shared. They took different angles at how they viewed their heritage and studied/honored it. But I think the prophecy would've actually meant a great deal to Daemon if it had been shared with him by either Viserys or Rhaenyra in a different context.
Well, plot and stuff
I shall reiterate that Sean is the fandom's most prized and valuable Unsullied -- because we all know how much he doesn't like Daemon. And yet, he doesn't let his own feelings about Daemon colour how a scene is depicted or its characterisation potential. I love him, he is a breath of fresh air in the sea of all this fandom bickering.
I, for one, love Daemon Targaryen . Have loved the character since before Matt Smith played him. I do not delude myself into thinking that Daemon's a good guy, he definitely is not. But that's not the reason why I love him. A character doesn't have to be good and kind and just, for me to love them. I love Daemon because he is such a complex character who is so very intriguing, and I admit would be a bit challenging to depict.
I think all the ones upset about certain changes made are just upset that things didn't go as they imagined. But I also think their dissatisfaction was in part due to certain scenes that have been cut, with regards to Daemon. But, let's face it -- that is fandom in general. It exists in every fandom / franchise. I hesitate to say anything negative to these fans, because the truth is, they are upset because they're emotionally invested, as we are all. :)
For me, the most biting line in this episode was when Borros Baratheon said "The House of the Dragon does not seem to know who rules it."
Agree. I’d add- anyone who watches this show & thinks- “Well this gives me permission to choke people & commit incest” was merely looking for justification for something they already wanted to do.
Shakespeare’s Othello also features a famous choking scene. People want to dismiss Hot D cause it’s pop culture & widely enjoyed, but Shakespeare’s plays were the GoT events of that time (The Globe sat royals and also “penny groundlings” who were common people who could get in for a penny & get drunk. There were bear fights and prostitution - it was turnt).
We don’t jump on stage to stop her or save her when Juliet stabs herself at the end of Romeo & Juliet. This is because over time people have learned how to regulate emotions so we can distinguish between fictional worlds from survival/real threats we have to act on.
Art is the place that gives us a safe place to explore these complex moral quandaries so we can learn more about ourselves, our values, and others.
Why I hate this scene is that it overshadows Matt’s incredible acting, putting the crown on Rhaenerya’s head, being the 1st to kneel, protecting the island, and reaffirming loyalties. I’m never surprised at his behavior, but sometimes the writers just go too far
@@vanessalore9942 Yeah, i understand and your assessment is valid. I also tend to think the depictions of certain characters can be questionable, and that it’s more skewed to one side than the other.
But it is what it is. Let’s just hope they stick the landing this time 😅
And, regarding Daemon, whatever it is, I am just grateful Matt Smith understands his character on a deep level….
@@kittyorasheepy Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely loved this season and the writing is better than I could have hoped it would be. Except for Rhaenys in 9, but nothings perfect. 😊
@@vanessalore9942 Don’t worry, I share your sentiments.
I think there were some irregularities with the premature baby, but not as much as described in the lore. Some premature human babies look quite otherworldly until they have a chance to grow
The tail and both parts 😳
Rhaenyra's shone above all in this episode for me in each scene she was in from the opening scene to the end one.......
Daemon was very strong , Luc was also convincing and the villainous Aemond had a brief cameo at the end. All
the other cast did well......
Great HotD S1 coverage...Bravo and Thanks to Aziz and Ashaya!!
Heavy Santa Claus spoilers at 1:34:00
The war was started when supporters of Ryanera where imprisoned and hung and Aegon took the crown. Not treating it like a war got her son killed. Baratheon is family, closer, and the house only exists because of house Targaryen. The Starks are more deserving of Jac being sent considering the army they control
Just like with sports, it is really easy to point fingers with the results in hand. No way Rhaenyra could have foreseen every detail. This is the version of Westeros Monday Morning Quarterback lol
I took Daemon looking at his brother’s crown very differently. I think it has finally sunk in for him that his brother is in fact dead. Because the last time he had this crown in his hands was when he placed it on his brother’s head. Now Daemon choking Rhaenyra on the other hand (not cool with it) but there was more to it. She starts rambling about something that isn’t their main concern. He’s in full battle mode. He sees Viserys in that moment (weakness and prophecies) and he needs her to be a dragon. But it’s also in that moment you see Rhaenyra really listening to her uncle’s words not fighting back. When she realizes that her father never considered Daemon his heir (well he was waiting for that son), but the moment he decides it’s her he tells her the prophecy. So it cements in her that she was not Daemon’s replacement after all. It’s also the same with Daemon, even from his grave his brother has hurt him. Towards the end of the episode Daemon singing to his grandfathers dragon I thought it was him checking in with these dragons. Making sure they are alive or waking them up. I’d like to think that’s how Jaehaerys approached his dragon by singing to him. And why she sent Luce (Rhaenys would have been the better option) Storms End was the shortest distance from Dragonstone . She probably thought he would be there and back given a day or two. If there was a storm he could stay the night there. When Rhaenyra was 14 (just like Luce) she snuck out to help Otto get the egg back from Daemon. At the time we cheered for her and was dumbfounded that Viserys was angry. That scene hits different now especially after what has happened to Luce. Viserys had every right to be angry with her. Let’s say Daemon did confront her or Caraxes did. He didn’t even know his only child left, instead heard of her return. But what if he was told other news instead like the one we witness Rhaenyra hearing in her final scene.
I loved this episode and the season as a whole. I feel bad for the royal family as a whole
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Just surreal a real King will be crowned while a new chapter in the A Song of Ice and Fire universe is being turned.
Great imitation of Daemon's 'Ten yeeeeaaaaarrrrrs' I heard Aziz saying that in Matt's voice
Saemyond Star Eyes moment was the best
It’s the purpose of art to generate exactly these kinds of debates. It’s healthy to question the art we consume & ask “Is this violence for a purpose?” I think the scene with Daemon ABSOLUTELY serves a necessary purpose in this context. Very literally, the violence has come home to the domestic space. He is the “blood of the dragon” and like the dragons in this episode, he’s not always in control of his own emotions AND he lives in a society which constantly reenforces that violence is the primary solution to problems. By no means is this couple portrayed as healthy - they’re compelling characters not models for behavior.
Art is the space we can explore these types of debates & questions so we understand people totally unlike us (and learn our own values).
Emma D’arcy & Matt Smith jokingly but accurately said the Targ problem is “They don’t talk to one another” or go to family therapy.
Sean carrying us fellow Greenies on his back each episode lmao. Love him
I never thought about it but Timothee would be an awesome Cregan 🖤 I am definitely a fan of Dune & The King 🐺
Vagar comes at Luc on the left side the same side that he attacked Aemond with the knife. Maybe that was on purpose but maybe not just thought it was cool if so.
I'm really interested in finding out what happens with the former captain of the kingsguard
There are people saying that Arrax should have been able to outrun Vhaegar because Vhaegar should be bigger and heavier. But that's simply foolish. Arrax could outmaneuver Vhaegar, but there should be no way it could outrun her.
Think of it like a full grown adult chasing a 5 year old. The adult is bigger and heavier, but the legs are longer and stronger and the child has zero chance of outrunning the adult.
For Fire and Blood readers, I felt like when Rhaenyra said to Luc “I’m sure you’ll have a warm welcome”, she might’ve stopped, stared straight to camera and given a big wink.
There's no justifying of a 19 year old bulling a 14 year old, but it definitely makes Aemond's character more nuance
I think Aemond is 16
@@theprimo100 oh they change it in the show then. In the books he was born in 110, making him 19 by the time he kills Luke in 129 (who is 13 in the books but 14 in the show according to the season finale)
I feel like Daemon going to sing to Vermithor is a call back to Episode 8 when he goes spelunking for dragon eggs. When he comes up with the clutch he just looked so happy, practically giddy! I think down in the caves with the dragons is his safe space, a place he possibly could have found in childhood, so after finding out about the prophecy, he ran off to the one place he knows A; no-one will bother him, and B; he seems to take genuine pleasure in being. Maybe the lullaby wasn't for Vermithor, maybe it was for himself.
Its not in the book but Lenor could be found and asked to comeback and Join team black under his new alias,. We seen him on his Dragon at war and could he be one of the Dragon riders that came when they try to find riders? Ser Erryk was told by his twin that Agon has bastards in Fleabottom. He could go back as his brother and get the kids and keep as valuable prisoners or offer them to try the dragons.
The movie from the 80s was called Dragonslayer.
God i completly forgot about this channel, sort of dipped a Lil out of the online fandom after season 5 of GoT.
I have some catching up to do ^^
Timothy Chalamet for Creagan Stark !!!
😁🥰 What a fantastic idea!
About the page given, I’ve had a head canon of some sapphic undercurrents between Alicent and Rhaenyra, ever since one of the first episodes and the quote about being comfortable in her position, with Rhaenyra’s head in Alicent’s lap.
Maybe Alicent is saying we once loved each other, and I want you to live. Maybe the flea with your children hint, literally take a page out of Nymeria’s book and follow her example. But mostly the love they once shared.
I look forward to supporting Rhaenyra through her commission of war crimes next season just as I have Daemon through his many crimes this season. #TeamBlack 🖤
Same, lol
Why did they cut out the scene of Daemon in the beach fuming?
Under the circumstances, it was naïve of Rhaenyra to send Lucerys by himself. The second mistake she made was she didn't offer Borros a dignified way out of supporting the Greens. She should have sent Lucerys some sort of offering for House Baratheon. The baby just looked like a premature still birth. If Rhaenyra was 3-4 months along, the head is oblong in shape. I wish the show had clarified that the still borns were covered in scales, with a hole in their chest, tiny wings etc. Apparently it's just propaganda.
I’m ready for a marvel style origin series for all the major houses culminating in Westeros: Assemble ⚔️
I didn’t see the dragon-stuff with the birth, but my unsullied husband was asking me if I saw that, and described seeing deformities. I still couldn’t really see it, even though I knew to be looking.
Baela got sent to the vale, to treat with house Arryn
It’s still murder if you knowingly use deadly force without the intention to kill. Even first degree. Assuming self-defense isn’t at play, If you punch someone, they fall over, hit their head and die, that’s murder. It doesn’t matter if you were just trying to break their nose or something. So, just to be clear, what Aemond did is murderous, regardless of the intentions.
Also, the motor cycle analogy is good, but replace the motor cycle with an F16 that happens to go rogue and fire missiles occasionally. Then it works.
Where is all the magic in a world with more dragons then ever before? What are your thoughts on an Old Valyria show done with animation. The budget would be a lot less and lend to using more of the magic, mystery and beastly aspects of this realm. Westeros seems a lot less developed then Easteros. Would be cool to explore a period of time where Targaryans are the lesser houses in a civilization 100x stronger then westeros is now. Also could lead into the real events behind the first long winter ( as unsullied) wasn't there an actual Ling winter in Westeros?
And Danys 3 eggs hatched into dragons that she constantly calls her children ..... rhaneras 3 sons are there and kneel to her.
he wasnt ready to compromise he has 3 other brothers he could of offered as marriage proposals .
It was bad to us but Daemon grabbing her neck was to get it clear, we are at war with these people, we knew it was coming. dont tell me about a dream this is serious. She would never send the Princes as envoys in war times, they would be valuable prisoners in a war.
Okay so I get Sean trying to stay impartial and like alicent, and I can get behind that sometimes, but she plotted with her father from the moment viserys died. She acted upset at this plan but she’s been working on this plan along with her father for 20 years. She told aegon he had to marry helaena to be his queen and bare his children. She conspired against her husband and knowingly betrayed his wishes. The only power she had was through viserys.
Who is Sarah Snow??????
Bastard sister of cregan stark
Thank you.
Spoilers.
I found this episode so upsetting. Literally no idea how I'll get through the next seasons 😬
Rheneys is directly related to the baratheon's she should of gone there
I listen to your podcast for the books because I’m never going to buy them
blue eyes white dragon, 🐐 dragon
Guys, we have to stop basing our enjoyment on wether or not it happens exactly like it does in the books, it's an adaptation. It should simply be judged on if it's good, so please book readers, stop pooping on the party, it's BEYOND exausting. I know there are different opinions on what GRRM said about book cannon vs show cannon in your interview, but I thought he was pretty clearly saying that they were different.
I sincerely hope that the great success of HOTD will inspire HBO to have 2-3 ASOIAF shows running all at the same time, with no overlap in when they are played. Maybe it will take another year or two, but it'd be great if we had ASOIAF content being released practically year round in different forms and focused on different eras and characters. Obviously, I want GRRM focused on writing, but I will still support all the shows if this is the way he wants to explore the world as he seemingly has struggled to really get the books to where he wants them to go (not surprising, writing a Magnum Opus is never easy and he has the added weight of so much displeasure from the fandom about the way the show ended that could detract from the books' success if he doesn't wrap up storylines well - even if not how fans predict).
Rhaenys behavior made no sense
As a war veteran, I can tell you there’s a difference between having experience at War and having experience in combat. The difference is highlighted when Daemon is talking about how to siege the Red Keep and smash the enemy, and Corlys’s plan to cut off points of critical infrastructure in order to weaken the enemy. It’s like a First Sgt. told me, NCO’s have to be tactical to survive on the battlefield, officers need to be strategic to win the war. ✌🏾💪🏾
Awful lot of Green Supporters out here
Don't like that Luke refers to Rhaenyra as perfect when he knows (or at least suspects) he's a bastard
Vhaegar is not a she - dragon ! Imo dragons are whatever sex the current rider is .
Vhagar is a she dragon