Amazing video, I always wanted to see a naval battle MMD! Though I think if the abyssals uses *normal* WW2 ships, they aren't going to defeat a modern fleet. Unless a battleship is present, there won't be much trouble. Even then depending on mission load-out of the fleet, battleships will be missioned killed or sunk before it can do too much damage. Modern 5" guns have equal to if not 4x the reload speed(depends on gun) of WW2 era destroyer guns while having battleship range. Though I can't seem to find any source that these are armed with AP rounds, theorectically, they can go through battleship armor at close range. So they should be able to go through anything from a crusier and below at any rnage, but that's assuming it has AP rounds. Though even with HE rounds, it can sink destroyers and Japanese light cruisers with ease. Japanese cruisers don't have much armor so even HE rounds can disable the ships. Though heavy cruisers is a bit too armored but it can get missioned kill. Missiles is enough to sink or disable anything from a crusier and below. Missiles under USN and JMSDF aresenal might be able to sink even the Takao depending where it hits though hitting anywhere would be enough disable it pretty quickly. And let's not forget the ASROC. The missile has 22 km range. The dropped torpedo has 10km additional operational range. 32km total. That's already battleship range and enough to sink the ships with 1 or 2 guided torpedoes with speeds that WW2 ships have no way of avoiding. The Aegis ships has over 90 missiles and uses a 8 cell VLS module. Aegis can track over 120 targets and more than 4 missiles can be launched simultaneously per ship. that type of damage output and range out class anything WW2 ships can take. Yes even battleships as they would be at least disabled from such attacks. Modern warships is also highly maneueverable and can dodge while maintaining firing solution for it's guns and track it's targets. They can also jam WW2 radars if required. It would be a very difficult target for WW2 ships to hit. Also modern warships would of detected the submerged abyssals way before they can engage via sonar, hydrophones, wake detections and magnetic anomaly detectors. What's more is the Seahawk would of provided early warning of submarines and enable attacks upon them. Also modern warships would never head straight towards world war II ships. they would take advantage of their range by using their superior speed to create distance. Furthermore, a hit on the bridge would not sink a modern ship in one hit. Disabled, yes. Sunk, no.
Neurofied Yamato Modern warships trade armor for speed and maneuverability and do not perform well in gun-combat. They are built with more redundancies and compartmentalization than civilian ships, but still less than WWII era warships. This makes sense since modern naval combat focuses on a one shot-one effective kill strategy. In addition, modern 5" guns aren't intended for engaging other large ships like this, that is why although they have much faster fire rate than WWII era guns, they aren't much better than old 5" guns at armor penetration even with designated AP rounds and have very low explosive yields. They are considerably worse than higher caliber guns, like those found on battleships, at armor penetration, if only because of the shell weight. Most ships are also only armed with one single-barrel mount, while most WWII ships mount multiple single or double barrel mountings, making up for slower fire rate. Their real advantage is gun accuracy. By the way, modern 5" guns also fall short of true battleship range, where even old 14" guns can reach out to 30+km, and its pretty meaningless anyway since out at their max range, 5" guns aren't going to be truly hurting any armored cruiser or better. For everything else, in-universe circumstances negate most advantages of modern ships. In most kancolle works, abyssal ships ambush human ships at close range, do not have the accuracy weaknesses of their origin design, and are also considered much tougher and have more firepower than is expected of WWII-era ships. Or some would say they are simply immune to conventional attack, given their ghostly origin. There's no real speed advantage to be able to pull away from ambushing ships either, excepting slow battleships, most WWII frontline ships approached or surpassed 30knots at full. Modern warships fall on the higher side of 30 knots at full. So yeah, the primer on modern weapons was nice, but unnecessary, as I illustrated above when placed in a contextual situation, also a little starry-eyed even when taken without context.
RevanUltimate I know modern warship lack protection, but a hit on the bridge wouldn't cause the ship to be sunk. It would of limped away, there has been cases when a modern ship was struck at a much more "sinkable" area and survived. The Atago destroyer have a 62cal mark 45 gun which have an effective range of 38km which is slightly farther than Bismarck. I take back on penetration of battleship armor after taking a look on the muzzle velocity of the guns. Normal 5"/54 can fire at a range of 24km which is slightly short of what most battleship engagements took place. My assumptions were based similarily on penetration of weapons with similar barrel length, powder charge and caliber but I forgot to take in mind the different ammunition and barrel design. As for the speed, most warship today can reach high 30s flank. But the same can be said about WW2, with about 3 classes as exceptions. Each respective class is from French, italy and Japan respectively. Most obvious one for kancolle fans will be Shimakaze. Shimakaze is 40 knots which is actually a very small difference compared to modern ships. However italy have a ship capable of 43(36 in wartime) while France has the Fantasque(45 knots, 37 after refit) but these ships would of been primary targets if modern warships were to take advantage of distance. Only difference today is that modern ships can maintain flank speed MUCH longer even if it's not nuclear powered along with superior acceleration and start up with the use of gas turbines. I still don't get how abyssals would ambush humans, they just materialize somewhere? Doesn't mather if they move under-water, by surface or sky, modern radar would of detected it.
You're basically presenting a stacked argument. You are very carefully picking out details which support your desired outcome, "Abyssals as WWII ships don't present a threat". Just as an example, you state that gun damage to superstructure wouldn't sink a modern destroyer, yet conveniently sidestep the fact that the same is true of any modern 5" gun striking the superstructure of a WWII warship. If we are comparing waterline protection instead, there is no way a 5" gun made in any century will hole a WWII armored cruiser or heavier through the belt armor. You state that modern ships are "better" in terms of speed, by saying they can last longer at flank, which is true, but then leave out the previous context, which is in an immediate combat scenario where endurance doesn't matter. Fact of the matter is, modern warships are intended for different purposes than WWII ships, and are as ill-suited to fighting the latter as the reverse case. There is a reason why the US kept three battleships in working condition without any plans to remove their armor, which they do not require for their supposed naval support role and would drastically increase their speed, maneuverability and endurance. At the same time, the continual advancement of expensive advanced missile technology over cheaper ballistics has as much to do with politics and lucrative contracting as with actual combat relevance, something that is only slowly changing today due to military cut-backs in the US. And of course the world tags after the US. But forget all that, because there's a more fundamental problem. Even after I present the idea that Abyssals and Kanmusu are in most works presented as probably being different from conventional understanding, you still can't get around the idea that that could mean normal radar, not to mention weaponry, doesn't work on them. Also, modern radar works (effectively) underwater? That's funny. I'll throw you a bone and assume you meant sonar for that. In the end the problem here is really simple. Nobody can really apply any of these arguments in a fictitious universe where the background lore is intentionally vague, not to mention since in most works the characters are presented as-is without any actual ship hull. But you still do so, while also cherry-picking on a subject you clearly only have wiki-level knowledge about. So this isn't about how feasible the Abyssals would be as combatants, this is about showing off how you have "figured out" kancolle and its Abyssals, because people love to undermine fictional works for some reason.
RevanUltimate I already took back the capability of the 5" capability against heavy cruisers and up. Light cruiser don't have much waterline belt. The only ship that will prove a problem is the Takao class which I said can be mission-kill meaning it can limp away but no longer fight like how I said a modern warship when struck at the bridge(in the video)would.. Even when endurance is not a factor, that speed is at best 10-20 km/h faster. Naval engagements have range difference much greater that it would take much longer to close the distance. And yes I understand that also applies to running away, but when you detect the target much earlier, you can eliminate them before they close in which in naval engagement takes quiet a bit of time. And I did mention Sonar in my original post but forgot to do so on the later post. And I was applying based on scenario. In the case that abyssal were without actual ship hull, they would win as my original post as they would be very difficult to hit and detect. And if you are wondering when I mentioned this, when I typed "normal WW2 ship," which excludes adaptions without ship hull. Went back to highlight it just in case, not that I think you missed it. It's the case that they do have actual ship hull that makes them vulnerable. There's also just as much reason why armor is no longer used. Missiles can be made with a AP warhead giving it penetration of a BB. So armor was no longer deemed useful. And with no armor, AP warhead were not made for missiles. But if they were to appear again, AP warhead will be in use once again. Of course, I'm not saying the missiles in this case will have AP, it's just a point why BBs are impractical in general. And 1-2 torpedo from a LAMPS helicopter will be more than enough to take down any WW2 vessel with the exception of capital ships. I was simply assessing the scenario. And the game never display any sort of method they fought in. I was referring strictly to the scenario presented which was this video. The current scenario presented is less "abyssals" fighting modern warships as WW2 VS modern. -Which the outcome should be obvious. right now what is shown on the video is more like blue steel but without the advanced tech which equates to normal WW2 ships.. I'm not going to continue any further than this since I get the feeling you are getting frustrated.
Frustrated? Of course I would if someone basically bombed a video with their wiki-knowledge theorycrafting, particularly about military matters. Perhaps you should read your very first comment, look at the length and content of it and think about why you felt it necessary to do such a thing in the first place? Basically it was a poorly informed lecture on military technology nobody asked for.
4 years on and Suzukaze not only does not have a K2 but I completely forgot she was in this animation. _sigh_ Looks like I will have to hunt for 1/700 Shiratsuyu model now.
長波率いる水雷戦隊の登場が好きすぎて今でも何度も見る
このクオリティにはマジ尊敬
7月30日
海自イージス艦「まや」進水。
名前が同じとは凄いな
予知かい？
深海さん「タカガ一門ノ砲デナニガデキル!!」
自衛隊員「・・・」（弾かれるから言い返せない）
50%謎 の戦車オタク( 砲を使うとは言っていない )
そのセリフ、もしかしてジパング？
@@phantomrider9584 それな
マリアナ沖での『みらい』攻撃時の､ワスプ雷撃隊パイロットの舐めプ台詞
効果音の重厚感がたまらん
魚雷装填のとこだけでご飯の8杯は行ける(魚雷の本数)
アルペジオと艦これの融合ってところかな
個人的にはどっちも好きだから悪くないな
素晴らしい。
そこらのMMDとは作りが違う。
次も期待してます。
7:25 魚雷の自動装填のやり方、初めて知った
ちょっと前のコメントに失礼させて頂きます
他の方も書いてた気がしなくもないですがああやって完全自動で装填するのでなく先端にロープをつないで人力で引っ張って装填しています。スッゴい大変そう()
@@一万千百十一の字 横からで恐縮ですが、人力装填は特型までです
初春型以降は機力による装填となってます
人力の特型は一本3分、４連装だと12分掛かったそうですが
機力装填では4連装でも一気に2～3分で装填可能だったようです
ただ戦闘時の装填は色々危ないので一旦下がってから行うのが基本だったそうです
こんな事言っちゃ何だが、・・リ級がめっちゃ可愛い！
窓のところがアルペジオみたい
艦これMMDダンスよりぉれはこうゆうのがみたかったんや
ミクミクダンスの意味なくて草
この世界線では通常兵器でも深海棲艦にダメージは与えられるけど対艦ミサイルで駆逐艦よくて軽巡という通常兵器では効果が薄いんやと思う（イメージ的には炎タイプで水タイプに戦いを挑む感じ。艦娘と深海棲艦は光タイプと闇タイプみたいなお互いがお互いに特効みたいな感じやと思う）
見応えがあるね！MMDすげー
艦の被弾モーションが上手い！
よく護衛艦（イージス艦）が出てくる作品で「お前なんで接近戦仕掛けてるの？」ってのあるけど、懐に潜りこまれて肉弾戦しかけられたら、向こうが不思議なバリアとか持ってなくても手がでないね。
描写がリアルで良かった。
でも深海棲艦には通常攻撃は通用しない設定でないと厳しい気がするなあ。艦娘の艦載機要らなくなるし。
atsu0505Y
いや それが艦これの世界観の設定やでって
Convoy can't sprint to open gunnery range, so escorts are forced to commit to battle while the auxiliaries escape.
流石に昔の対空機関銃じゃあミサイルを迎撃できないか…
逆に現代の砲塔は昔の戦艦や重巡の装甲を貫通させれないか…
hayabusa yuki
穴は開くはず。62口径なら5インチでも
かなり前のコメントにあれなんだけど・・・
まやのMk.45 mod.4だと高雄クラスの装甲ならHEは貫通しないだろうがAPなら貫通する。
まあ現実なら敵も軽装甲か対地相手だから、HEが搭載弾薬の殆どを占めるけど、艦これ世界で海上護衛戦するなら、当然APを積んでるだろう。
特にまや型の装備するMk.45 mod.4は、対空戦闘は副次任務で対地対艦戦闘が主目的だから、APを積んでる可能性はもっと高くなる。
それじゃなくても、かなりの精密射撃の出来る現用艦の艦砲なら、艦橋構造物や砲塔を狙って撃って、射撃不能にすることも可能。
まあ動画の趣旨とは違うし野暮だとは思うけど、たとえ砲戦距離まで潜り込まれても、被弾する前になぶり殺しに出来る程度に、現用艦とww2の時代の艦では性能差(特に火器管制装置の性能差)がある。
@@eiji_kuma フラリの装甲が高雄型と同じ程度かはわからないがね。
仮にフラリの装甲は127mm砲じゃどこを撃っても抜けないとして、問題は対艦ミサイルを惜しみなく使い続けられる程の継戦力があるか。
この動画はその問に否と応える世界の設定なんだろう。
@@kamikazeJELF 俺が言ったのは、装甲に守られていない「砲身」や砲側の「測距装置」、艦橋上部の「射撃指揮所」をピンポイント射撃で破壊や損傷させることができ、戦闘能力を喪失させることが出来るという意味。
どれだけ砲塔自体やバイタルパートに重装甲を施しても、砲自体や観測装置は軽微なダメージで狂って当たらなくなるし、艦最上部の正副の射撃指揮所は、場所が場所だけに重装甲にできないから、それを破壊しするのは極めて簡単。レーダー積んでてもレーダー装置自体精密射撃で破壊すれば盲に出来る。
ww2艦の様に次弾発砲まで時間がかかり、かつ命中率が低い艦だと、射撃修正する間になぶり殺しにされるのが落ちだ。
射撃の命中率と速射性が極めて高くなった近代に、艦艇が重装甲を捨て去ったのには理由がある。
艦これの世界観でも、アルペジオの様な不思議バリアがあるなら別だけどな。
@@eiji_kuma
ここまで長い考察をした事は賞賛に値するとは思うがね、動画内では砲身も測距装置も射撃指揮所も外している事を忘れてはいけない。
この動画自体が「動画内の世界で艦娘と言う存在をアピールする為に撮影したもの」で、損害を甘受して主砲を当てない様にした（艦娘の活躍の場をつくった）と言う設定なら考察の通りかもしれないが、そうなると考察の意味が無くなる。
メリケンの艦がおるじゃまいか！
タイコンデロガ級ミサイル巡洋艦ｗ
これ見てたらWOWＳやりたくなる
第三次世界大戦の生き残り改都 それな！
日本海軍のＤＤがtier4 kumaもどき相手にバイタル抜きまくってましたねｗ
ミサイルなどの既存火器が効く。駆逐艦でも重巡レベルと殴り合える。
うん。混合部隊作れば最強じゃね？
佐藤俊 艦娘と現代艦艇の混成、ロマンがありますね
こちらの動画で活躍したイージス艦のまやが遂に横須賀に配備されましたね。誠に目出度いです。
対水上戦闘用意、ハープーン攻撃始め。敵砲弾には主砲にて対応。撃ち方始め！
発砲！
米倉ァ！貴様ァ！
やらなきゃ、やられます砲雷長。
ヒューマンエラーだと伝えろ！
ここでもCICから引っ張り出される米倉ニキ…(Ｔ＿Ｔ)
海自の本気を通り越した超超本気の実戦か排狹の音まで再現されてるこれが第3次世界大戦け
完全にアルペジオwww
ジパングとかにも近いかも
もはや背中の艤装の意味がｗｗｗ
艦これのアニメがこうであったらもっとよかったのに・・・。
カッター上で歓声あげる兵士達に答える長波がいいですね＾＾
アイシャ様だーー！！末代までの語り草だぜ‥ 的な
Why this is a million times better than any of the action scenes in the anime
海上自衛隊じゃなくて国防海軍なんだな
名前変えるのなら日本帝国海軍ってしてほしいな（願望）
国防海軍、ミーティアライト・フォール、う、頭が...
海上勤務シガンスル！
たこ焼きガラポイ捨てするからケツに魚雷喰らうんやでえ
From this video i know the torpedos can be reloaded without go back to base
かっこいい…
でもアルペジオw
確かにねww
What is the ORBAT... uh...
Conventional combat ships:
CG-67 (Ticonderoga guided missile cruiser);
a Freedom-class LCS;
DDG-179 (Flight II Atago-class guided missile destroyer).
Friendly kanmusu:
Naganami (flagship; Yugumo/Flight III Asashio-class destroyer);
Kagerou (Kagerou/Flight II Asashio-class destroyer);
Kuroshio (Kagerou/Flight II Asashio-class destroyer);
Suzukaze (Shiratsuyu-class destroyer)
Enemy:
Atago-class heavy cruiser (flagship, yellow light);
Kuma-class light cruiser (red light);
3x Asashio-class destroyers, Flight I-III (aqua light);
1x Mutsuki-class destroyer (aqua light)
出来が違うね出来が
素晴らしすぎる
Amazing video, I always wanted to see a naval battle MMD!
Though I think if the abyssals uses *normal* WW2 ships, they aren't going to defeat a modern fleet. Unless a battleship is present, there won't be much trouble. Even then depending on mission load-out of the fleet, battleships will be missioned killed or sunk before it can do too much damage.
Modern 5" guns have equal to if not 4x the reload speed(depends on gun) of WW2 era destroyer guns while having battleship range.
Though I can't seem to find any source that these are armed with AP rounds, theorectically, they can go through battleship armor at close range. So they should be able to go through anything from a crusier and below at any rnage, but that's assuming it has AP rounds.
Though even with HE rounds, it can sink destroyers and Japanese light cruisers with ease. Japanese cruisers don't have much armor so even HE rounds can disable the ships. Though heavy cruisers is a bit too armored but it can get missioned kill.
Missiles is enough to sink or disable anything from a crusier and below. Missiles under USN and JMSDF aresenal might be able to sink even the Takao depending where it hits though hitting anywhere would be enough disable it pretty quickly.
And let's not forget the ASROC. The missile has 22 km range. The dropped torpedo has 10km additional operational range. 32km total. That's already battleship range and enough to sink the ships with 1 or 2 guided torpedoes with speeds that WW2 ships have no way of avoiding. The Aegis ships has over 90 missiles and uses a 8 cell VLS module. Aegis can track over 120 targets and more than 4 missiles can be launched simultaneously per ship. that type of damage output and range out class anything WW2 ships can take. Yes even battleships as they would be at least disabled from such attacks.
Modern warships is also highly maneueverable and can dodge while maintaining firing solution for it's guns and track it's targets. They can also jam WW2 radars if required. It would be a very difficult target for WW2 ships to hit.
Also modern warships would of detected the submerged abyssals way before they can engage via sonar, hydrophones, wake detections and magnetic anomaly detectors. What's more is the Seahawk would of provided early warning of submarines and enable attacks upon them.
Also modern warships would never head straight towards world war II ships. they would take advantage of their range by using their superior speed to create distance. Furthermore, a hit on the bridge would not sink a modern ship in one hit. Disabled, yes. Sunk, no.
Neurofied Yamato Modern warships trade armor for speed and maneuverability and do not perform well in gun-combat. They are built with more redundancies and compartmentalization than civilian ships, but still less than WWII era warships. This makes sense since modern naval combat focuses on a one shot-one effective kill strategy. In addition, modern 5" guns aren't intended for engaging other large ships like this, that is why although they have much faster fire rate than WWII era guns, they aren't much better than old 5" guns at armor penetration even with designated AP rounds and have very low explosive yields. They are considerably worse than higher caliber guns, like those found on battleships, at armor penetration, if only because of the shell weight. Most ships are also only armed with one single-barrel mount, while most WWII ships mount multiple single or double barrel mountings, making up for slower fire rate. Their real advantage is gun accuracy. By the way, modern 5" guns also fall short of true battleship range, where even old 14" guns can reach out to 30+km, and its pretty meaningless anyway since out at their max range, 5" guns aren't going to be truly hurting any armored cruiser or better.
For everything else, in-universe circumstances negate most advantages of modern ships. In most kancolle works, abyssal ships ambush human ships at close range, do not have the accuracy weaknesses of their origin design, and are also considered much tougher and have more firepower than is expected of WWII-era ships. Or some would say they are simply immune to conventional attack, given their ghostly origin. There's no real speed advantage to be able to pull away from ambushing ships either, excepting slow battleships, most WWII frontline ships approached or surpassed 30knots at full. Modern warships fall on the higher side of 30 knots at full. So yeah, the primer on modern weapons was nice, but unnecessary, as I illustrated above when placed in a contextual situation, also a little starry-eyed even when taken without context.
RevanUltimate I know modern warship lack protection, but a hit on the bridge wouldn't cause the ship to be sunk. It would of limped away, there has been cases when a modern ship was struck at a much more "sinkable" area and survived.
The Atago destroyer have a 62cal mark 45 gun which have an effective range of 38km which is slightly farther than Bismarck. I take back on penetration of battleship armor after taking a look on the muzzle velocity of the guns.
Normal 5"/54 can fire at a range of 24km which is slightly short of what most battleship engagements took place.
My assumptions were based similarily on penetration of weapons with similar barrel length, powder charge and caliber but I forgot to take in mind the different ammunition and barrel design.
As for the speed, most warship today can reach high 30s flank. But the same can be said about WW2, with about 3 classes as exceptions. Each respective class is from French, italy and Japan respectively. Most obvious one for kancolle fans will be Shimakaze. Shimakaze is 40 knots which is actually a very small difference compared to modern ships. However italy have a ship capable of 43(36 in wartime) while France has the Fantasque(45 knots, 37 after refit) but these ships would of been primary targets if modern warships were to take advantage of distance.
Only difference today is that modern ships can maintain flank speed MUCH longer even if it's not nuclear powered along with superior acceleration and start up with the use of gas turbines.
I still don't get how abyssals would ambush humans, they just materialize somewhere? Doesn't mather if they move under-water, by surface or sky, modern radar would of detected it.
You're basically presenting a stacked argument. You are very carefully picking out details which support your desired outcome, "Abyssals as WWII ships don't present a threat".
Just as an example, you state that gun damage to superstructure wouldn't sink a modern destroyer, yet conveniently sidestep the fact that the same is true of any modern 5" gun striking the superstructure of a WWII warship. If we are comparing waterline protection instead, there is no way a 5" gun made in any century will hole a WWII armored cruiser or heavier through the belt armor.
You state that modern ships are "better" in terms of speed, by saying they can last longer at flank, which is true, but then leave out the previous context, which is in an immediate combat scenario where endurance doesn't matter.
Fact of the matter is, modern warships are intended for different purposes than WWII ships, and are as ill-suited to fighting the latter as the reverse case. There is a reason why the US kept three battleships in working condition without any plans to remove their armor, which they do not require for their supposed naval support role and would drastically increase their speed, maneuverability and endurance. At the same time, the continual advancement of expensive advanced missile technology over cheaper ballistics has as much to do with politics and lucrative contracting as with actual combat relevance, something that is only slowly changing today due to military cut-backs in the US. And of course the world tags after the US.
But forget all that, because there's a more fundamental problem. Even after I present the idea that Abyssals and Kanmusu are in most works presented as probably being different from conventional understanding, you still can't get around the idea that that could mean normal radar, not to mention weaponry, doesn't work on them. Also, modern radar works (effectively) underwater? That's funny. I'll throw you a bone and assume you meant sonar for that.
In the end the problem here is really simple. Nobody can really apply any of these arguments in a fictitious universe where the background lore is intentionally vague, not to mention since in most works the characters are presented as-is without any actual ship hull. But you still do so, while also cherry-picking on a subject you clearly only have wiki-level knowledge about. So this isn't about how feasible the Abyssals would be as combatants, this is about showing off how you have "figured out" kancolle and its Abyssals, because people love to undermine fictional works for some reason.
RevanUltimate I already took back the capability of the 5" capability against heavy cruisers and up. Light cruiser don't have much waterline belt. The only ship that will prove a problem is the Takao class which I said can be mission-kill meaning it can limp away but no longer fight like how I said a modern warship when struck at the bridge(in the video)would..
Even when endurance is not a factor, that speed is at best 10-20 km/h faster. Naval engagements have range difference much greater that it would take much longer to close the distance. And yes I understand that also applies to running away, but when you detect the target much earlier, you can eliminate them before they close in which in naval engagement takes quiet a bit of time.
And I did mention Sonar in my original post but forgot to do so on the later post.
And I was applying based on scenario. In the case that abyssal were without actual ship hull, they would win as my original post as they would be very difficult to hit and detect. And if you are wondering when I mentioned this, when I typed "normal WW2 ship," which excludes adaptions without ship hull. Went back to highlight it just in case, not that I think you missed it.
It's the case that they do have actual ship hull that makes them vulnerable. There's also just as much reason why armor is no longer used. Missiles can be made with a AP warhead giving it penetration of a BB. So armor was no longer deemed useful. And with no armor, AP warhead were not made for missiles. But if they were to appear again, AP warhead will be in use once again. Of course, I'm not saying the missiles in this case will have AP, it's just a point why BBs are impractical in general. And 1-2 torpedo from a LAMPS helicopter will be more than enough to take down any WW2 vessel with the exception of capital ships.
I was simply assessing the scenario. And the game never display any sort of method they fought in. I was referring strictly to the scenario presented which was this video. The current scenario presented is less "abyssals" fighting modern warships as WW2 VS modern. -Which the outcome should be obvious. right now what is shown on the video is more like blue steel but without the advanced tech which equates to normal WW2 ships..
I'm not going to continue any further than this since I get the feeling you are getting frustrated.
Frustrated? Of course I would if someone basically bombed a video with their wiki-knowledge theorycrafting, particularly about military matters. Perhaps you should read your very first comment, look at the length and content of it and think about why you felt it necessary to do such a thing in the first place? Basically it was a poorly informed lecture on military technology nobody asked for.
やべぇ…かっけえ…
これが8年前とは、、、
赤く発行してるやつ5500型軽巡洋艦の長良型がモデルかな？
宮本芳典
正確には蒼き鋼のアルペジオに出るナガラですよ。アニメ・劇場版で信じられない程大量に登場。
2:20そのミサイルサイロは飾りか？
Porque no has subido mas en videos en 5 años?⚓🚢🇯🇵🇩🇪🇺🇸🇬🇧🇫🇷🇷🇺🇮🇹
アルペジオ風艦これ
艦これかと思ったらアルペジオだった
高画質(・∀・)ｲｲﾈ!!
駆逐艦5隻．．重巡洋艦1隻．．羽黒．．うっ頭が
A great video! But I think that Abyssal cruiser (Takao class?) would have eaten a couple of those destroyers for breakfast.
射撃遅延システムが作動してるぜ！！！！
戦闘が始まってすぐのBGMってなんて曲名ですか？
音割れしまくってるのが残念
刺使
そもそも現用艦砲にAP系弾は無いだろうな
戦車砲のAPFSDSなら貫通は簡単だろうけど
sv650ss1
寧ろ、貫通が良すぎてなかなか弾薬庫や機関に命中しなかったりして(ネタ的な意味で)
魚雷発射が艦首側からされてるとか、次発装填装置があんなに早くないとか言うのは置いといて……オットーメラーラ社のスーパーラピッド砲もちゃんと薬莢排出させてる辺り芸が細かいよなぁ。あと、黒潮、たこ焼きの船をポイ捨てスンナｗ
これだ！！
wows（ﾎﾞｿｯ）
So, who was who there? I vaguely recognised the blue haired girl as either Samidare or her sister, but I'm drawing a blank on the others.
Naganami, Kagero, Kuroshio, and Suzukaze.
Out of all of them, only Suzukaze still doesn't have a K2.
4 years on and Suzukaze not only does not have a K2 but I completely forgot she was in this animation.
_sigh_
Looks like I will have to hunt for 1/700 Shiratsuyu model now.
3:23 シャイロー被弾！
アルぺジオン×艦これかなｗ
あとリアル
橋本響指令 ア、アルペジオン…
3:33 なみ型護衛艦被弾！
これ作るの大変なんだろうなぁw
自分もやってみたけど思ったようにうまくいかないんだよねｗ
深海側かーいーな思たら長波さまが圧倒的だた
重巡程度の装甲なら上部構造物は今の主砲でもぶち抜けると思うけどな。
長波さま〜。
デロガの素子貼ってある階層って可燃物あるか？束であるケーブルの外皮だって最低限難燃っしょ？
矢崎雅之 そこは、あれだ、たまたま燃えたんだよ
矢崎雅之 三式弾だった可能性が微レ存。
長波様ぁぁぁぁぁ！！
ちゃんと黒潮本人のケツからケムリがｗｗｗ
あれ、シアンガスかも。
途中の76ミリどの艦？
クロシオじゃないですかね？クロシホになってるような…でも作品はすごくかっこいいですから！
セレナ クロシホで合ってると思うよ
セレナ ハヒフヘホ→アイウエオな
昔の表記なので。
他に不知火➡️シラヌヒ
が。
中学古文(殴
海自さんｗｗ
アルペジオだよね？アルペジオだよね？
あ～長波様と黒潮可愛い～
なんで近づいてるんだｗ
長距離戦だと深海棲艦が圧倒的に不利で面白くないからじゃね？
「輸送船はクッソ遅い」
Пётр Великий
キャー長波サマー！
一応ゲーム設定では近代兵器が無力となってますんで、仮に通用したとして昔の装甲艦に有効打撃与えるの地味に大変だと思います
そもそも近代艦は装甲捨ててますんで兵装も装甲向きじゃないんで
公式で近代兵器無効なんて設定はないはず。各提督が自由に想像できるようにそこらへんはわざとぼかしてる。いきなり射程内に出現されてゲーム並の命中率で撃ちまくられると、ガチの砲雷撃戦なんて想定してない現代艦に勝ち目なんてない
昔の主砲弾って今の戦艦の装甲貫通できるの？
BIGBOSS
昔の艦砲は艦どうしの撃ち合いを想定していた+現代艦は艦砲での撃ち合いを想定していない（紙装甲）
なので貫通すると言えると思います
昔のは撃ち合いを想定してますが、今のイージス艦は想定されてません
確か重巡クラスは約４００ｍｍの装甲ですが、今のは約１００ｍｍ位だったはずです
ですから、余裕で撃ちぬかれます
今の戦闘艦艇の戦い方は「撃たれる前に撃つ」なので、装甲は米軍巡洋艦(動画のシャイローがそれ)ですら紙同然(ロシア海軍アドミラル・ウシャコフ級重原子力ミサイル巡洋艦はそれなりに装甲が厚い) 。
戦艦と言う艦種も絶滅して久しいものです(最後の戦艦が参加した戦争は湾岸戦争)。
シャイローが・・・
大根出ろが草
+界磁幽禅
あれはシャイローですね
70年?の差はさすがに現在が絶対勝つでしょ…
現代兵器が深海棲艦に効きづらいってのがあるかもしれん
最後の日本兵 あー
今の護衛艦の主砲は、駆逐艦サイズ(ズムウェルト級は155ミリで軽巡クラス)だし、ハープーン対艦ミサイルは大和のバイタルパートを撃ち抜けないって聞いたことがある。
バイタルは抜けないけど前部 後部甲板は抜けるらしい ロシアのグラニートとかならバイタル抜けるらしいゾ
まともに戦えばそうだけど動画みたいに視認可能距離でいきなり砲撃戦始められたら負けるよ
駆逐艦が簡単に沈むか！
キヨシーいつやれたんだ思たがドロップしたんか やられたんわ黒潮のケツか・・・
アスロックは？
あれって対艦できたっけ
@@動く点P誰か 多分2年前の僕、ハープーンと間違ったっぽいです。
@@ch-cx4rd なるほど
うーん、良く分からないけど、実際にイージス艦に砲弾当たる前に相手側沈めるか避けるか砲弾撃ち落とすか出来ると思うけど、実際戦ったら何方が勝つんだろうね（棒読み）
黒煙あげる黒潮のケツが愛しい
これ、現代艦が艦娘になったらもっといいかも？
自衛艦コレ 良いかも
まや！？
リ級...艤装使わんのかｶﾀ:(ˊ◦ω◦ˋ):ｶﾀ
アルペジオだ()
乗員何故貫通しない？(深海の野郎)ミサイルもってこい
かっこよかった
あと、どこがアルペジオなのかわからない
takashi tu アルペジオ見たことないの？
見たよ。劇場版もすべて見た
でも似てるとは思わないなぁ
ごめん、映画も見てるのにそれはないわ。あれか、ただのひねくれ者か
人が乗らないで艦が動いてるところだと思うよ
ピンクに発光している敵はアルペジオのナガラですよ。
Wuih ,,