How to Show Joe Rogan Christianity is True

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  • @TheCounselofTrent
    @TheCounselofTrent  День тому +290

    Today's episode was recorded before I saw Mel Gibson's appearance on JRE. My colleague Joe Heschmeyer will address Gibson's claims about the Church on Tuesday on his channel Shameless Popery and I'll compare his and Huff's approaches to defending the Resurrection on Wednesday on COT. If you saw both, how would you compare and contrast their approaches?

    • @Petes88Face
      @Petes88Face День тому +2

      Awesome! Thanks to both of you!

    • @damnitfrank1305
      @damnitfrank1305 День тому +9

      Any rebuttal to Alex o connors poor take on wes’s appearance on Joe rogan?

    • @batmaninc2793
      @batmaninc2793 День тому +1

      @@TheCounselofTrent Fantastic!

    • @kennethanderson8770
      @kennethanderson8770 День тому +5

      Absolutely wonderful point at the end. I am all about spreading the gospel of Christ’s instead of worrying about minor denominational differences. Christianity is about Christ not theology. My biggest criticism of Catholics is they place more emphasis on the traditions of Catholicism than spreading the gospel to unbelievers.

    • @MovieShorts-p5r
      @MovieShorts-p5r День тому +4

      When are catholics going to stop praising Mary and saints??

  • @s.gurdian3230
    @s.gurdian3230 День тому +250

    Reformed Protestant here and big fan of Wes for years. Trent, I appreciate this video. Your speech was so kind, gracious, pleasant and seasoned with salt. Also love that you recommended Gavin's stuff. Anyway, this was an awesome video.
    Thanks for not bashing or nitpicking Wes but adding actual good points and refuting opinions.

    • @SCAGMONKY
      @SCAGMONKY 20 годин тому

      @@s.gurdian3230 and in the Bible it's written in two different sections that everyone in it has a relationship with God is like a shepherd at nighttime looking at a campfire far off in the distance

    • @brewers2321
      @brewers2321 16 годин тому +1

      ❤😊

    • @Nutritionwithmaya
      @Nutritionwithmaya 15 годин тому +1

      Yes, better than what others have done😊

    • @FallenFallenisBabylontheGreat
      @FallenFallenisBabylontheGreat 11 годин тому

      You should look into the Catholic Church!

  • @mr.luisanthonydivito3585
    @mr.luisanthonydivito3585 День тому +211

    I'm Catholic but have attended Protestant services as a caretaker of a wheelchair-bound friend at a non-denominational Protestant church. What I appreciate about Protestants is their engagement in the local church community, biblical literacy, and a sense of ownership in the church itself. What I appreciate about being a Catholic is our deep reverence at church and Mass, saying prayers in unison, and the universality and connections with other Catholics worldwide.

    • @serhii-ratz
      @serhii-ratz День тому +2

      True❤

    • @Sirach_5_11
      @Sirach_5_11 День тому +1

      What does "biblical literacy" mean?

    • @RyanTaylorMedia
      @RyanTaylorMedia День тому +34

      @@Sirach_5_11 It means making sure everyone reads & knows their Bible.

    • @Sirach_5_11
      @Sirach_5_11 День тому +13

      @@RyanTaylorMedia So then they don't have biblical literacy. Reading is one thing, but understanding is another.

    • @veronican9110
      @veronican9110 День тому +7

      @@Sirach_5_11perhaps Sirach means that just because mrluisanthonydivito may not have “biblical literacy” doesn’t mean that all Catholics don’t. Also the main thing to be grateful for as Catholics is that we have the true presence of our Lord Jesus Christ in the Eucharist. ❤

  • @deancradduck4282
    @deancradduck4282 День тому +135

    Grateful for you, Trent, as a protestant brother. This was an encouraging video for all of Christendom.

    • @daMillenialTrucker
      @daMillenialTrucker День тому +5

      Same I'm a protestant. I love my God fearing Jesus love brothers and sisters. Dogma, theology, nor the church can save us, only Jesus. God knew us little tribalistic human beans were gonna fragment the faith so that's why Jesus said He's the only way to The Father. ✝️❤️‍🔥☦️

    • @thealexsau
      @thealexsau День тому +3

      @@daMillenialTrucker false. This is why Jesus started a Church and prayed for his followers to be one, even as He and the Father are one.

    • @daMillenialTrucker
      @daMillenialTrucker День тому +1

      @@thealexsau you can say false all you want, I don't care.

    • @-jmac995
      @-jmac995 День тому +9

      @@thealexsauall who believe and accept Christ into their hearts make up the body of Christ.

    • @thealexsau
      @thealexsau День тому +2

      @@daMillenialTrucker It was not said as an attack, sir. What you said was simply false. If what you said is true, then for what reason did Jesus establish His Church and why did the early church fathers fight so hard to defend right teaching and maintain unity?

  • @Pablo_Larco
    @Pablo_Larco 2 дні тому +220

    You need to go on his show

    • @exotericeric
      @exotericeric 2 дні тому +8

      Yes!!

    • @Santi-on-Christianity
      @Santi-on-Christianity День тому +13

      that'd be incredible!! Hi from Ecuador Pablo, good to see Im not the only Ecuadorean who watches Trent Horn haha

    • @davidrashty2631
      @davidrashty2631 День тому +23

      Him or Jimmy Akin. I feel like Akin would be a fun guest because of the paranormal connections as well

    • @sparkyspinz9897
      @sparkyspinz9897 День тому +1

      It would be legendary

    • @nathalymonge2280
      @nathalymonge2280 День тому +2

      I agree! 🙌🏻 Another ecuadorian 🇪🇨 here!

  • @psd_seth
    @psd_seth День тому +180

    I’m a Protestant, but this was a great supplement to Huff’s original discussion. I really wish Wes had also made some of the points made in this video, but I still think Wes did a great job considering it was a completely unscripted three-hour discussion.

    • @thealexsau
      @thealexsau День тому +3

      We, as Catholics, would love to see you come back home. 🙏🏽

    • @Martin4Mary4Ever
      @Martin4Mary4Ever День тому +5

      @@thealexsau Not helpful. Complements should be received with grace and not mockery. Even sincere mockery.

    • @thealexsau
      @thealexsau День тому +3

      @@Martin4Mary4Ever there was absolutely no mockery in my statement. We, as Catholics, love to see our Protestant brothers and sisters return home. This is genuine and true.

    • @desertsand8778
      @desertsand8778 День тому

      ​@@thealexsau We as actual Christians hope you guys follow christ

    • @Martin4Mary4Ever
      @Martin4Mary4Ever День тому

      ​@@thealexsau Aye, I believe your sentiment is sincere and even orthodox. The issue is that it is mockery regardless of the intention when one receives a compliment but responds with an unrelated directive based on the other's status. If you think about how this would come off in an actual conversation, I hope the insult becomes more apparent. At best, it's patronizing and still disrespectful.
      It's more appropriate to thank @psd_seth and encourage the following of Trent as a good counter perspective.
      That said, my bias is one of Southern etiquette.

  • @Petes88Face
    @Petes88Face День тому +452

    Any chance you'll address some of the false claims that Mel Gibson made about the Catholic Church on his Joe Rogan appearance?

    • @johncalabria1607
      @johncalabria1607 День тому +16

      It would be interesting to hear that

    • @victoriaeinbinder9487
      @victoriaeinbinder9487 День тому +86

      Yes please. I like Mel Gibson and I think he's a person of good will, but his sedevacantism seems like a hopeless doctrine: essentially, that God permitted the complete dissolution of the Catholic Church and the rise of an anti-Church in her place. Obviously Jesus promised that this wouldn't happen, but there are persuasive arguments that the "hermeneutic of continuity" is utterly false.

    • @aaronvt9980
      @aaronvt9980 День тому +20

      If not Trent, then Lofton will. But I hope he does, since Lofton can rub people the wrong way sometimes.

    • @D20034
      @D20034 День тому +73

      Mel Gibson is a catholic too, he didn’t make any false claims

    • @kinghoodofmousekind2906
      @kinghoodofmousekind2906 День тому +10

      @@aaronvt9980 yeah, both Lofton and Trent helped me remain Catholic, but I agree; Mr. Lofton is not for everyone.

  • @dwbothwell1
    @dwbothwell1 День тому +53

    May God continue to bless the scholars that devote so much time educating the common man. Trent I rely on you so much to teach the faith of our Fathers.

  • @newglof9558
    @newglof9558 День тому +23

    Wes was highly impressive - he gave an apologetic masterclass through his conduct alone.
    Good rule of thumb for me going forward is "if you aren't spreading the Gospel like Wes Huff, you're probably coming from a place of pride"

    • @scottwall8419
      @scottwall8419 20 годин тому

      Most if not all of the opposition to Wes is spiritual jealousy. I saw another channel that claimed since he is not catholic then it is the devil using Wes and not God. The catholic church is the pharisees of today. Very sad they worship the church above Jesus' teachings

  • @ryanevans2655
    @ryanevans2655 День тому +36

    Wes had some bumps sure but this was the first time an articulate case for Jesus was made on maybe the largest media platform on the internet. Love it!

  • @domizzi626
    @domizzi626 День тому +33

    Well said in the end. As a Protestant, I notice many Catholics spend more time trying to convince Protestants that the Catholic tradition is true, rather than spending time with other religions convincing them why Jesus is God etc. I have a Catholic friend who all he does is try to convince me to become Catholic, and it gets annoying.

    • @jaypritchard7122
      @jaypritchard7122 День тому +1

      I’m so thankful for the founders of America and US constitution. I never understood what they meant by freedom growing up. The limitations they put on the Church was the best thing for humanity. I get it now.

    • @LaTierraNueva19
      @LaTierraNueva19 День тому

      Well, tradition is equally important to us.. we have different religions. There is a good reason why young people are flocking to Catholicism, they want real, ancient tradition, Latin Mass etc. Protestantism has become McDonaldsfied and Americanized.. demonic almost.

    • @jaypritchard7122
      @jaypritchard7122 День тому

      @@LaTierraNueva19Pentecostals continue to dominate globally. It makes zero sense why USA is the most blessed of any nation ever recorded in history and has more power than Rome ever wished. Could it be that God looks at the hearts and not denominations?
      Recently America and the world have been declining in religious values but her rise was influenced by Protestants even though America is a secular constitutional nation.

    • @amelancholybear1534
      @amelancholybear1534 День тому +7

      Well, while there is truth that we must focus on other faiths also (many do) we must also not allow ecumenism to become a fatal form of relativism to which we are blinded by one-another's errors by virtue of agreeing on more than we would wih a Buddhist.
      Your friend is right to attempt to convince you to become Catholic, you *are* in error and outside the fullness of the faith. A host to untruth is a host to evil. Anyone who loves you would do the same.

    • @jaypritchard7122
      @jaypritchard7122 День тому +6

      @@amelancholybear1534 how can you tell someone they are in error? It’s one thing to make an argument why you believe this or that. Now you are just an aging person pretending you are God or something.

  • @armedsage
    @armedsage 22 години тому +11

    It's also refreshing to hear a Catholic calls protestant "actual Christian." We have come a long way.

    • @alisterrebelo9013
      @alisterrebelo9013 5 годин тому +1

      Catholic doctrine says a Christian is someone with a valid Trinitarian baptism. Again, this is the difference between comparing what Catholics say vs what the Church teaches.

  • @michaelangelo3713
    @michaelangelo3713 День тому +95

    Here after watching Wes's 3 hours of unscripted conversation on the Joe Rogan Experience!!!
    Christ is King !!!
    [ Edited]

    • @aubreyleonae4108
      @aubreyleonae4108 День тому

      JRE is Christ, just what are you trying to say ?

    • @haronsmith8974
      @haronsmith8974 День тому

      @@aubreyleonae4108 Joe rogan is a man. Christ is God. Christ is King.

    • @Justuco567
      @Justuco567 День тому

      ​@@aubreyleonae4108 Don't be intentionally dense. You know what he meant.

    • @michaelangelo3713
      @michaelangelo3713 День тому +3

      @@aubreyleonae4108 comment corrected

    • @johncuriale7085
      @johncuriale7085 День тому

      ?​@@aubreyleonae4108

  • @NonDisclosed-x3j
    @NonDisclosed-x3j 2 дні тому +96

    He sat for three hours in a unscripred "debate", much respect to Wes

    • @victoriaeinbinder9487
      @victoriaeinbinder9487 День тому

      I felt like he really struggled on Allie Beth Stuckey's show. I don't think he's ready for Rogan...

    • @lauramann8275
      @lauramann8275 День тому +11

      ​@victoriaeinbinder9487 He was already on Joe Rogan

    • @frogs_under_your_bed
      @frogs_under_your_bed День тому

      I wouldn't call it a debate per se, joe often plays devils advocate when speaking to Christians just so they can better flesh out their arguments to the microphone. Joe probably did disagree or was very skeptical at times but I wouldn't say he was outright debating Wesley. He saw that Carson debate, he knew better lol

    • @rnhmbover63
      @rnhmbover63 День тому +2

      @@lauramann8275shes talking about trent horn I think

    • @maxinedeleon4357
      @maxinedeleon4357 День тому +2

      Wes Huff was more than ready for Joe Rogan! This person is a well read professional and knows his stuff, so kudos to him, 🙏! 🕊🕊🕊

  • @gmgabrielmoura
    @gmgabrielmoura День тому +67

    Great video, Trent!
    We need someone like *you* on Joe Rogan.
    May God grant us that.

    • @DeSmith-o4b
      @DeSmith-o4b День тому +1

      We have no swole apologist that's taken down one of Joe's agnostic/atheist guests. Wes Huff made it on for taking down Billy Carson.

    • @gmgabrielmoura
      @gmgabrielmoura День тому +6

      ⁠@@DeSmith-o4b it’s a matter of time until someone like Voice of Reason does that…
      He did it to James White already.

  • @EliLoney
    @EliLoney День тому +19

    The new studio is awesome, Trent! Your videos are an inspiration to many young Catholics looking to spread the truth of Jesus and the Catholic Church.

  • @richardsmith2289
    @richardsmith2289 День тому +7

    Once again, brother, I am grateful for you rising above the significant differences between Catholics and Protestants and recognizing the far more substantial agreements we share. This is not true about many Catholic apologists - and too many protestant ones as well. “Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity”. One day we will and our differences will be long past.

  • @anitavogel2421
    @anitavogel2421 День тому +4

    Prot here - thank you Trent for your graciousness.

  • @RabidLeech1
    @RabidLeech1 2 дні тому +29

    Dude, your new angle and setup looks so cool. I look forward to see this style in the future.

  • @speggeri90
    @speggeri90 День тому +5

    A Lutheran here, and I’d say our Church is largely like a mix between Catholic and the more traditional protestants in the States. Wes is a big inspiration for me and he is a great apologetic, but so is Trent. May the glory of Jesus Christ be shared to all regardless. Praise God.

  • @mrdcipher3254
    @mrdcipher3254 2 дні тому +48

    1:18 thank you for this video! that was my biggest confusion. As a Catholic I still need to learn to defend my faith and when Huff gives compelling arguments I know aren't true I don't know how to defend my opinion to others who believe the same.

    • @aubreyleonae4108
      @aubreyleonae4108 День тому +13

      Try just making things up, that's been working well for y'all in like forever.

    • @Zenostrades
      @Zenostrades День тому

      Just leave them in their Delusions, just teach your Kids and Niece the truth.

    • @Zenostrades
      @Zenostrades День тому

      @ ironic

    • @MultipleGrievance
      @MultipleGrievance День тому

      Can you give me an example?

    • @aubreyleonae4108
      @aubreyleonae4108 День тому

      @@Zenostrades can you define the word truth ?

  • @theepitomeministry
    @theepitomeministry День тому +32

    I really appreciated the comments toward the end about how us Protestants are great at defending the Resurrection. I'd like to see more Catholics join that fight as well.

    • @jaypritchard7122
      @jaypritchard7122 День тому

      Protestants are use to being in a world against them. They never had an empire. This means they have to use more logic than dogma and be in charity when giving out the gospel.

    • @ChelseaTalk_Dallas
      @ChelseaTalk_Dallas День тому +2

      I think they might not believe it. Maybe that is the problem.
      The number of comments I am seeing is shocking, about praying through Saints or asking about Gibson criticizing the Pope for encouraging idols in God’s house.

    • @maxinedeleon4357
      @maxinedeleon4357 День тому +2

      Catholics has a lot of problems and yes they don't see praying to Mary and the Saints as a problem. Their faith is largely based on tradition and rituals and less on Jesus. But, to be fair, a huge amount of Catholics does focus on Jesus Christ, which is nice, 🙏! 🕊🕊🕊

    • @Kyrieeleison70x7
      @Kyrieeleison70x7 10 годин тому

      ​@@maxinedeleon4357 If you go to a Catholic Mass, you will see that the entire Catholic faith centers around Jesus in the Eucharist, as in the early Church. Our entire worship centers around Him. He is the source and summit of our faith!

  • @ADHD_Samurai
    @ADHD_Samurai 2 дні тому +178

    My biggest issue with Wes' appearance is the flat out misrepresentation of John Wycliffe's execution by England and his continuing the Protestant propaganda that it was because he translated the Bible into English. Even Wikipedia doesn't say such nonsense. For someone who touts himself as a historian, this is really a poor showing.

    • @jerm5466
      @jerm5466 2 дні тому

      Oh okay - why was he killed, then? Wikipedia isn’t a reliable source btw just as a side note

    • @exotericeric
      @exotericeric 2 дні тому +4

      Yup!! I agree

    • @noahwhite6062
      @noahwhite6062 2 дні тому

      Wikipedia isn't a reliable source

    • @odavis1364
      @odavis1364 День тому +45

      He doesn’t say his a historian. He’s a biblical scholar, specifically a textualist.

    • @joshrichards9121
      @joshrichards9121 День тому +9

      Yeah, I cringed at that too

  • @keithanthonysedgwick
    @keithanthonysedgwick День тому +8

    Trent, you get better each year. You make what you do look effortless!

  • @ChristsGoodNews
    @ChristsGoodNews 2 дні тому +37

    HAIL CHRIST ✝️

  • @TheTradDadShow
    @TheTradDadShow День тому +34

    Please address Mel Gibson on Joe Rogan

    • @ji8044
      @ji8044 День тому

      Gibson is basically a neo-Nazi

    • @ewrock7635
      @ewrock7635 День тому +1

      I fear he's going to turn Rogan into a sedevacantist.

    • @bigp6071
      @bigp6071 День тому +1

      What about it?

    • @RightCross22
      @RightCross22 День тому

      @@bigp6071 from what I can see, Mel Gibson is a sede vecantist. He thinks (and teaches others) that God allowed the Catholic Church to essentially disappear entirely because of apostasy. He and others like him think that the current pope isn’t the “real pope”, he’s an “anti pope” and as such the Catholic Church no longer exists. They think that the gates of hell have prevailed against Jesus’ Church, something He specifically said would never happen. So Mel is an ex-communicate now , but he still acts like he’s Catholic

    • @computationaltheist7267
      @computationaltheist7267 День тому +1

      Keep an eye out for Shameless Popery. He'll have a video on him.

  • @icxcnika7722
    @icxcnika7722 День тому +62

    Meanwhile in other news : Gavin Ortlund is already preparing and writing up his refutation for Trent's latest video 😂😂

    • @halleylujah247
      @halleylujah247 День тому +9

      He started doing writing it before Trent even posted.

    • @icxcnika7722
      @icxcnika7722 День тому +4

      @halleylujah247 Gavin never sleeps, always on the grind... You know who else never sleeps? 😅

    • @Spadooch
      @Spadooch День тому +8

      I mean, when you make false, easily refutably claims all the time, you're sort of setting him up for it lol

    • @icxcnika7722
      @icxcnika7722 День тому +17

      @@Spadooch Nothing Trent has said against Protestantism or Gavin is false. In fact, his latest video meticulously outlined the denominational differences in reverence among evangelicals-a nuance Gavin either couldn’t grasp or chose to ignore. Ortlund’s failure to properly define his terms was glaringly obvious, and instead of addressing the core issues, he derailed into a rambling, self-indulgent monologue about preaching. It wasn’t a counterargument; it was an incoherent diversion, impressive only to those predisposed to anti-Catholic bias and eager to lap up any rhetoric, no matter how hollow. If you have the slightest ability to discern substance from noise, you’d see just how flimsy his so-called "refutations" really are.
      😂😂

    • @BarkotSentayehu
      @BarkotSentayehu День тому +1

      It's usually the other way around tent and all the other orthos run to make a video

  • @Santi-on-Christianity
    @Santi-on-Christianity День тому +41

    Thanks for covering this Trent! I've been following Wes, he is great, but it really blows my mind how, being so smart, he has stayed away from researching Catholicism.
    Still, very grateful for the impact he is causing!

    • @fantasia55
      @fantasia55 День тому +3

      Wes has a profitable gig from lying about Catholicism.

    • @erinsmart8422
      @erinsmart8422 День тому +2

      Smart people will always stay away from catholicism… even after extensive research. The fact that yall worship a pope and mary instead of Jesus disqualifies you from being Christians. Please stop acting like you believe in the saving blood of Christ to cover your sin. It is not enough.

    • @eaglecap8553
      @eaglecap8553 День тому +13

      And thus the problem with Catholics. Your Glad he defended Christ, but wont invite him to eat at your table.

    • @zacharrysangley9820
      @zacharrysangley9820 День тому +7

      @@eaglecap8553 more lamenting that you people refuse to even inquire about what we're having for dinner

    • @eaglecap8553
      @eaglecap8553 День тому

      @@zacharrysangley9820 The dinner isn't any good unfortunately.

  • @randatatang9222
    @randatatang9222 День тому +7

    This is the nicest Trent has ever been to Protestants in my opinion

    • @DrewH-u9f
      @DrewH-u9f День тому

      I mean Trent is usually really kind to Protestant , my only video issue was his Protestant worship problem video ,I’m a Catholic and
      I personal disagreed with it

    • @bobinindiana
      @bobinindiana День тому

      @@randatatang9222 I myself can’t understand why the professor doesn’t teach Catholic apologetics instead of dealing with liberal Protestants? I wonder if it deals with his public speaking at non-religious events?

  • @heartsky
    @heartsky День тому +5

    Great video. And excellent recommendations at the end.
    Protestant here, and currently really enjoying Catholic and Orthodox content.
    Sub'd.

    • @Clifford777
      @Clifford777 День тому +2

      Amen, I’m an Anglican Protestant and I love learning from great brothers, teachers and saints in the catholic/orthodox Church. I love the mature edifying spirit of yours, God Bless.

    • @johnbrowne2170
      @johnbrowne2170 23 години тому

      Protestants and Baptists need to stay clear of superstitious, idol worshiping Catholics. They can teach us nothing.

    • @jaypritchard7122
      @jaypritchard7122 17 годин тому

      @@johnbrowne2170 but they perform magic in a cup and trap Jesus inside (sarcasm )

  • @user-gs4oi1fm4l
    @user-gs4oi1fm4l День тому +6

    Growing up Catholic i was deeply submerged in secular thinking, even within teachers and students at Catholic school. For me as a Catholic, apologetics has always centered on addressing atheism and agnosticim primarily.

    • @bobinindiana
      @bobinindiana День тому

      This videos like to talk about liberal Protestants for some reason.

  • @nochillwill5903
    @nochillwill5903 День тому +7

    Rogan needs a good Catholic on his podcast. I nominate Trent!

  • @Mike-bn7kr
    @Mike-bn7kr День тому +9

    I think we need to continue to pray for the conversion of people. I feel like there’s a lot of interesting conversation about Jesus taking place that I haven’t seen in a long time. We need to pray for Wes Huf, Joe Rogan, Charlie Kirk, Mel Gibson. Each of these people are helping to bring discussion of the Catholic Church to many people who haven’t been talking about it. We all need more conversion in our own lives. So let’s challenge each each other to pray for these people and many more that I have not listed.

    • @drzaius844
      @drzaius844 День тому

      What happens to the people you aren’t praying for?

    • @BM-si2ei
      @BM-si2ei День тому

      Wes is already a Christian. It's like praying for a full tank of gas while pulling out of the gas station.

  • @kdublock
    @kdublock День тому +20

    I was so impressed with Wes
    I loved how he said “the Bible is written for you, but not to you”
    Let’s pray a rosary for him. He’ll come around

    • @emmanuelansah4035
      @emmanuelansah4035 День тому +4

      Why is he wrong?

    • @Midwest-e3i
      @Midwest-e3i День тому +8

      Doubtful. He's deep in history, meaning he can't accept the papacy.

    • @jaypritchard7122
      @jaypritchard7122 День тому +3

      Denomination lovers is so yesterday.

    • @njohnson1923
      @njohnson1923 День тому +1

      How can we join the Catholic church when the head is rotten. This Pope has been saying some heretical things in recent times.

    • @KyrieEleisonMaranatha
      @KyrieEleisonMaranatha День тому

      ​@@Midwest-e3i The deeper you go into history you will have no choice but to come to Catholicism. If you are honest and not biased with historical sources of course.

  • @tonyl3762
    @tonyl3762 День тому +12

    The authenticity of the New Testament docs depends largely on Catholic approaches to the Church and Tradition. Brant Pitre makes this clear in his dismantling of Bart Ehrman in ways Protestants can't do without being inconsistent.

    • @ji8044
      @ji8044 День тому

      Brant Pitre. LOL

    • @bobinindiana
      @bobinindiana День тому

      Bart Ehrman is an atheist.

    • @jaypritchard7122
      @jaypritchard7122 День тому +1

      Dude we live in the 21st century. Going forward in the secular age each dogmatic thing will have to be defended. The more complex the harder. Many individuals are going to pick and choose what they believe and then find the denomination that fits them best.

    • @bobinindiana
      @bobinindiana День тому

      @@jaypritchard7122 Ehrman says he does not believe in Christianity.

    • @jaypritchard7122
      @jaypritchard7122 День тому +1

      @@bobinindiana I know who Ehrman is. Tony was trying to say it’s easy to defend Catholicism than Protestant. That’s just mathematically wrong. The more doctrines and dogmas you have the more complex the religion. Basic Protestant just needs to show that Christ is God.

  • @erinnelson3395
    @erinnelson3395 День тому +4

    As a protestant, another slam dunk Mr. Horn.

    • @jujugrim8677
      @jujugrim8677 День тому

      Iv never heard of someone calling themselve a protestant in South Africa

  • @jonatasmachado7217
    @jonatasmachado7217 День тому +5

    The idea that the Catholic Church rejected vernacular Bible translations is nonsense. The Catholic Church did structure vernacular languages in the first place so that they would be ready to accomodate a Bible translation. In Portugal (my country), for instance, the first portuguese grammar was published by Catholic Monk Fernão Oliveira in 1536. Without a consistent grammar structure it would be impossible to have the Bible translated into portuguese. The Catholic Church had to start from scratch.

    • @littledrummergirl_19
      @littledrummergirl_19 День тому

      Exactly, there were vernacular bibles in Africa and the Middle East too long before the first published English Bible. I feel like too often vernacular gets used by opponents of the church to just mean “in English” and even then, the English had English translations of almost every single part of the Bible long before the Douay-Rheims, it just wasn’t a single compiled book yet

  • @thomasthebankengine818
    @thomasthebankengine818 День тому +2

    You are incredible, my friend. Newly subscribed ❤🙏

  • @toddgruber5729
    @toddgruber5729 День тому +5

    Totally appreciate you, Trent, commenting and writing about the basis for Christian belief…growing up Catholic, I had no idea why I should believe what I was told…I was told many times “because the Church says so”…totally unhelpful when you’re in the early stages…I read Protestant info to establish the base, and to get to the heart of the matter…as Paul says, if Jesus didn’t rise from the dead we are the most pitiable of people…once that was solidified, then I could move on to the next step. Thanks for your work!

    • @mycattitude
      @mycattitude 12 годин тому

      Your testimony just goes to show the bible isn't whistling dixie when it emphatically states at length, that all the parts of the body are needful. And not to think that a part that looks or seems less comely is sometimes even more crucial to the body than the supposedly more comely parts. These and other scriptures are pretty much ignored by both Catholics and protestants alike, that want to incessantly duke it out about true churches and prefer to right fight. But what you encountered is all the church functioning as a full body, and all the parts being as needful to make up for the lack of the other.
      In keeping w/ this, I love the burgeoning bromance w/ Trent and Gavin Ortlund and how they now recommend each others work. We have an increasingly anti Christian society and to work together only makes us stronger. I really don't care about our theological differences anymore. They just seem insignificant in light of what we are facing. Christians are being crucified still in parts of the world. Since they took Assad out, that's exactly what is happening, because he did protect the minority Christians from the extremists. Bishop Mar Mar was stabbed and maimed, and priests have been attacked right in a live video taped Mass right in my Canada, which I never thought I'd see. It's time to get our act together, quite literally. God bless.
      Oh, and I meant to ad that there's a Catholic church I was attending where I liased a lot w/ the Deacon, Adrian. Even though he had been miraculously healed at a famous protestant healing service, by the infamous Kathryn Kuhlman, of severe and disabling epilepsy, he still remained Catholic and went on to become a Deacon. Which is fine by me, because he's a staunch ecumenist, like myself, who has remained on the protestant side, w/ a healthy respect for my French Catholic family roots. I know it's unorthodox, but he doesn't even mind me taking Holy Communion, so he actually puts his ecumenism into practice. I love that his parish is part of an outreach where they liase and pray several local protestant churches. Music to my Christian soul.

  • @MichaelSmith-mr5dh
    @MichaelSmith-mr5dh День тому +2

    My heart is warmed to hear Trent recommending Protestant books, and hopefully vice versa

  • @markiangooley
    @markiangooley День тому +4

    Note that almost NOBODY on UA-cam uses “begging the question” to mean petitio principii: “begs the question” INVARIABLY means “leads to the question,” so to most people watching a UA-cam video, the original meaning doesn’t exist. You almost have to say “assuming a conclusion” or the like.

    • @MrWeebable
      @MrWeebable День тому +3

      Yes, that fallacy is so badly named that everybody uses it wrong, and it has to be explained laboriously everytime someone tries to use it correctly. We're basically in the process of finding a new term for that fallacy.

    • @Pankeekii
      @Pankeekii 15 годин тому

      @@MrWeebableI still don’t even get the fallacy despite having heard it hundreds of times in debates

  • @jhssuthrnmama
    @jhssuthrnmama День тому +2

    Fr. Laux's books on the Catholic faith and Catholic apologetics, written in the late 1920s, are fantastic, and do include a vigorous defense of the historical reality of Christ, his crucifixion, and his resurrection.

  • @timlucchesi625
    @timlucchesi625 День тому +8

    How can we get Trent or Jimmy Akin on Rogan???

  • @JoeyG-o8r
    @JoeyG-o8r День тому +6

    Trent Horn on Rogan when?

    • @littledrummergirl_19
      @littledrummergirl_19 День тому

      Or Peter Kreeft! I feel like Joe would LOVE talking to him, he’s such a cool and kind of eccentric guy 😂 Trent would also be AWESOME on JRE!

  • @raulvillarreal4823
    @raulvillarreal4823 День тому +4

    Trent is my fave catholic apologist. Seems like he has an endless supply of knowledge about the Catholic faith and he’s single handily helped strengthen my faith as a Catholic.

  • @ryanharvey6375
    @ryanharvey6375 8 годин тому

    That was one of the biggest compliments a Christian could receive!!! ❤ I teared up hearing it and explaining it to my son. Thank you for that ❤

  • @katiedid8192
    @katiedid8192 День тому +12

    Would love to see Trent on Rogan. Trent I appreciate all your videos. You are my go to when considering apologetics. I live in the Deep South. Defending the Catholic Faith is much easier now than it was in the 50,60,70, etc as there are many more Catholics living here than then. I must say as a pre- teen and teen it was a challenge and hurtful to be rejected because of my faith. We moved from a predominantly Catholic area of the country to Georgia with few Catholics. On the other hand it was a blessing as I learned my faith by being challenged with the typical misconceptions. I was defensive of it and found a love for her teachings. Fortunately for me my parents saw the need and placed me in one of the few nearby parochial schools in Atlanta. There were many many more “ opportunities “ to defend ny faith in everyday life. Wish I had had Trent’s and wish even now I have Trent’s knowledge to defend. I must say apologetics is a great interest for me. May I add, my Mother was Presbyterian and my Dad was Catholic. My Mom had a deathbed conversion and was truly a saint as she taught us our Baltimore Catechism as my brother and I attended parochial school when we lived in the north. The Catholic Faith is definitely to be treasured. Thank you Trent for teaching it to believers, non- believers and even cradle Catholics.

    • @ChelseaTalk_Dallas
      @ChelseaTalk_Dallas День тому +2

      lol Catholic faith??? This blows my mind.
      You are either Christian or not… Bible believing or not.
      How is this even a topic. Like except you people are saying you are not Christians and have problems with the words of Jesus and his commandments.
      Then it will make sense why there are suggestions of worshipping other deities or praying to God through them.
      For instance that means an Igbo can pray to God through Ogun or Sango or Osun and that will be fine with Catholics these days.

  • @Ron-jw3ty
    @Ron-jw3ty День тому +2

    Being on the world's largest podcast and not knowing what type of arguments Rogan would bring up, Wes did an excellent job.

  • @maxtan777
    @maxtan777 День тому +5

    Can you do a video on Huff’s ideas on why the Catholic Church is not the true church? One idea is that the early church already had the New Testament and didn’t require the Roman church to create the canon.

    • @ji8044
      @ji8044 День тому +5

      "the early church already had the New Testament"
      That would not be the case.

    • @DrewH-u9f
      @DrewH-u9f День тому +3

      Ya Wes said Catholic worship the saints …..I’m a fan of Wes but that was rough

    • @alisterrebelo9013
      @alisterrebelo9013 4 години тому

      The 4 Gospels and Acts are anonymous. Who told us who the authors are?

  • @Faithseekingcatholicity
    @Faithseekingcatholicity Годину тому

    Trent, your tone and cordiality is refreshing thank you for your charity.

  • @jakobchurch3383
    @jakobchurch3383 День тому +4

    Prepositional apologetics is goated. Can’t lose that argument against an atheist. They don’t have any epistemological foundation to justify their knowledge or moral claims.

  • @AlwaysBeClosingShow
    @AlwaysBeClosingShow День тому +1

    I completely agree. Most Catholics are a bit passive about defending the faith is more busy about proving that Catholicism is the OG church.

    • @essafats5728
      @essafats5728 День тому +1

      That is true. Due to the gazillions different Protty sects with their gazillion different beliefs and doctrines, in all fairness to us Catholics, difficult to dialogue if u don't know wat that Protty sect belongs to/beliefs & try to see where they are coming from.

    • @ghostapostle7225
      @ghostapostle7225 22 години тому

      Maybe because no other religion is attacked like catholics are.

  • @viniciuscoxoba3842
    @viniciuscoxoba3842 День тому +7

    I find it funny how Trent says catholics should spend more time proclaming and defending the risen Jesus and not let Protestants do the heavy lifting
    and 9 out of 10 most liked comments are people asking for him to make videos refuting every single mistake the protestant made.

    • @TheCounselofTrent
      @TheCounselofTrent  День тому +2

      Lots of work ahead . . .

    • @lilyd5596
      @lilyd5596 День тому +2

      It’s not an either-or issue. Both need to happen...and they can happen at the same time. Especially when Protestants do the “heavy lifting” of proclaiming the risen Jesus, they almost always include their anti-Catholic bias as part of their “preaching.”

    • @jaytkadv2429
      @jaytkadv2429 16 годин тому

      Protestants are out there defending the faith and Christ not Catholics all Catholics care about are the fathers and the “holy mother church”.

    • @alisterrebelo9013
      @alisterrebelo9013 4 години тому

      ​@@jaytkadv2429 Without the Eucharist, we have no life. And the Eucharist the body, blood, soul and divinity is to be found in the Church.
      We are defending Jesus and our access to Him that's available in the Church. This is the most intimate and reliable way experience Jesus, on this side of heaven.

  • @polishsensation5823
    @polishsensation5823 День тому

    Was wondering how soon you would comment on the Huff interview. Thanks Trent! 🎉

  • @Adrixcorp
    @Adrixcorp День тому +3

    The argument that the apostles were willing to die is compelling, but as you rightly pointed out, it might lose its weight if we consider that followers of other religions, like Islam, have also been willing to die for their beliefs. The difference lies in the nature of what the apostles were dying for.
    Most martyrs die for what they believe to be true, often something they were taught or inherited from their culture. However, the apostles claimed to be eyewitnesses to an event: the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. They weren’t dying for secondhand teachings or traditions but for something they saw and experienced firsthand. This is where Christianity stands apart.
    Now, consider this: if Jesus truly claimed to be God, willingly went to the cross, and rose again, this is not just about dying for a belief; it’s about the ultimate demonstration of love and victory over sin and death. The apostles were so transformed by encountering the risen Christ that they proclaimed this truth, even in the face of death, to bring salvation to the world. Their willingness to die was not to defend a mere philosophy but to testify to what they knew had happened, an empty tomb and a living Savior.
    So, the real question becomes: why would someone who claimed to be God, like Jesus, willingly die for humanity? And why would His closest followers, who initially fled in fear, boldly proclaim His resurrection if it were a lie? The answer points to a truth that changed history: that Jesus’ death and resurrection were real, and through Him, the fear of death is conquered.
    This, in my view, makes the argument even stronger, not just the apostles’ willingness to die but the unique, transformative event they testified to. It’s not about dying for belief; it’s about living and dying for the truth of a risen Savior.

  • @Bedlam_6
    @Bedlam_6 19 годин тому

    I thought this was a very charitable and honest break down. Well spoken. I hope protestants, orthodox, catholics and the rest of Christendom can get along like this and just focus on Christ and the task of loving those around us. Critiquing each other and ourselves with love and respect.

  • @sharmaineruffagarcia3650
    @sharmaineruffagarcia3650 День тому +6

    Basically, what Catholics need to learn from Protestants is to study Jesus & Christianity. It is really nice ❤. Because of this, I kinda had this desire & inspiration to pursue Christian Theology.
    Thank you!

    • @maxinedeleon4357
      @maxinedeleon4357 День тому +3

      I think get rid of the adds on like purgatory, holding Mary and the Saints up to a higher esteem than they should be. Plus, what the Pope said there are many roads to God, this was seen as blasphemous! There's only one road and that's through Jesus Christ of Nazareth, JOHN 14:6🙏! 🕊🕊🕊
      Edit:
      Go for pursuing Christian Theology. It'll be great, 🙏!

    • @sharmaineruffagarcia3650
      @sharmaineruffagarcia3650 23 години тому +1

      @maxinedeleon4357 That's for you. But I want to respectfully disagree with just what you stated there. I'll pray for all of us.

    • @johncuriale7085
      @johncuriale7085 20 годин тому

      ​@@maxinedeleon4357
      I agree, growing up in a catholic church, called, Mary immaculate church,as young Italian boy. I didn't really start growing in my faith, until I started going to bible based churches, as I got older, where we pick up our bibles every sunday, and search, and learn from the word of God,from genesis to revelation, so for me, that is so important, the word says faith comes from hearing, and hearing from the word of God, now I will never say that catholics aren't saved, and I knew a lot of dedicated, Jesus, loving people, but there is a scripture that says, my people perish.Due to lack of knowledge,so to me the bible is our owner's manual, on how to live a successful Godly life,
      So my conclusion is, if you're not studying the word of God, and growing in your faith, maybe consider a different church. ✝️❤️🙏

    • @osar2870
      @osar2870 14 годин тому

      Catholics are the only ones who truly know Jesus it is the only true church. Protestants don’t believe in the Eucharist so as Jesus said “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you”

  • @sweetopia
    @sweetopia День тому

    Thank you, Trent, this was a thoughtful review. Would you have a book and/or video recommendation on the history of the Catholic bible please?

  • @Rocky-nj8lk
    @Rocky-nj8lk День тому +4

    Wes called himself an historian yet when questioned about why Constantine converted to Christianity he didn’t even know and there was no mention of his vision before battle of Milvian Bridge. Also he said 400 people saw Christ when it was 500 (1 Corinthians 15:6), not an issue but strange for an “expert historian” to not get simple facts right, because even I knew it was 500 lol

    • @DPK5201
      @DPK5201 День тому +5

      As a historian, no historian is expert on all histories worldwide for six millenia. We specialize. Sometimes narrowly

    • @bobinindiana
      @bobinindiana День тому

      Thanks for the info about Wes. He is completing his PhD so I think he is sort of a work in progress. Nevertheless, I agree with you that it is surprising about what the Constantine history statement.

    • @ji8044
      @ji8044 День тому +2

      The Milvian Bridge story was told by Eusebius. It has little historical validity.

    • @Rocky-nj8lk
      @Rocky-nj8lk День тому

      @ Eusebius knew Constantine personally and Constantine reportedly told him about the vision under oath. Another writer, Lactantius (who also knew him) also wrote about the event (although it was in a dream) which gives extra support to the story. The vision makes sense given Constantine’s sudden support for Christianity, like the Edict of Milan.

  • @Hechab
    @Hechab День тому +1

    I’m a Christian and even I didn’t know about the Dead Sea scrolls and how investigated and proven a lot of the historical aspects of the Bible including the people in them are!

  • @fgutie35
    @fgutie35 День тому +5

    One of the roadblocks (veil) of protestants to understand Catholicism, is not knowing the difference between "worship" and "petition" in a religious application.

    • @gregoryweaver3670
      @gregoryweaver3670 День тому +4

      Maybe they understand it but don't buy the argument.

    • @kevinclement1533
      @kevinclement1533 День тому +2

      I understand that veneration of saints and icons is not a form of worship. I have corrected quite a lot of fellow Protestants who still think that Catholics worship Mary as a goddess. But as a Protestant, I still disagree with veneration of saints and icons as I believe that Christ is enough.

    • @williamchristy9463
      @williamchristy9463 День тому

      @@kevinclement1533 I think it depends on what you qualify as veneration.
      Setting the praying issue aside, venerating the saints by taking them as examples of heroic acts, and virtuous lives, can help someone further their spiritual journey; I don't think anyone can justly deny this.
      I'd see the veneration through praying for the intercession of a saint as focussing on GOD through the prism of the feats of his spirit.
      If the Holy spirit is a third equal part of GOD, then I think it follows that something of that sort makes a level of sense; at least, treating it as a matter of pure logical argument.

    • @kevinclement1533
      @kevinclement1533 День тому +2

      @williamchristy9463 As a Protestant, I definitely agree that the saints make excellent role models for Christians to learn from. In that case, veneration isn't something that I disagree with. In fact, I believe that the reason why some modern Protestant churches have fallen to the trap of prosperity gospel is partly because they forget about the sacrifices of saints in the past. These people think that Christianity is simply about material blessings, and forget that Christianity is also about bearing the cross.
      The part where I disagree with Catholicism is in the area of praying to the saints as intercessors to God. As a Protestant, my belief is that having Jesus as our intercessor is enough.

    • @williamchristy9463
      @williamchristy9463 День тому

      @ But Jesus cannot function as an intercessor; he is LORD, whole and directly. From within your framework, an intercessor as such would not be necessary; I can agree with that.
      I'd be curious to hear why someone who believes such is necessary would believe it; metaphysically, it doesn't make sense to me.

  • @champagne.future5248
    @champagne.future5248 День тому

    Love your new studio. Well deserved

  • @BensWorkshop
    @BensWorkshop День тому +5

    Many thanks Trent, and I hope you, your family and the team ahve a very blessed day!

  • @ThomasShepard-o9i
    @ThomasShepard-o9i День тому

    Great topic choices recently thanks Trent!

  • @paulthompson9668
    @paulthompson9668 День тому +3

    How to Show Joe Rogan Christianity is True
    - Make him say wow
    How to Show a Rational Person Christianity is True
    - First, establish a coherent definition of "God"
    - Second, show evidence outside of the Bible that this God exists
    - Third, show evidence outside of the Bible that shows that what it says is true

    • @alisterrebelo9013
      @alisterrebelo9013 4 години тому +1

      That might be a way that convincesyou and fair enough, but to think youand skeptics have a monopoly of the word "rational" is amusing.

    • @paulthompson9668
      @paulthompson9668 48 хвилин тому

      @@alisterrebelo9013 I'm not a skeptic. I'm just a person who benefited from not having been brainwashed while I was a child into my regional religion.

  • @DanielChzBurger7
    @DanielChzBurger7 День тому +1

    @JREPodcast needs to have Trent Horn on

  • @TheProdigalMeowMeowMeowReturns
    @TheProdigalMeowMeowMeowReturns 2 дні тому +3

    David Bentley Hart and WLC should go n at the same time for a four hour dialogue

  • @Tp-ik6vc
    @Tp-ik6vc День тому

    Wes vs Trent. I’d pay pay per view to watch that debate. That would be a dream to watch the champions debate each other.

  • @SkyfallenVT
    @SkyfallenVT День тому +5

    So Wes did do a great job in his area of expertise. But the moment he got out of his area of expertise, he dropped back to apologetics. Many time when asked about stuff not in his expertise he wildly overstated claims. I’m all for fighting against disinformation, like how he flexed on Billy Carson. But the moment you get outside of your expertise, you should acknowledge that.
    But I think the best part is Joe Rogan stating that religion is just a cult after the leader has died and the followers keep on following.

    • @MultipleGrievance
      @MultipleGrievance День тому

      Do you have any examples,?

    • @alelilaceda3539
      @alelilaceda3539 День тому

      ​@@MultipleGrievance
      Ex could be JW, SDA, etc?

    • @SkyfallenVT
      @SkyfallenVT День тому

      ​@@MultipleGrievance Comparing the text of Isaiah to the dead sea scrolls are not word for word, they are only approximately 92.5% matching. Also some of the verses are missing from the dead sea scrolls, indicating that they were later additions.
      He states that Jesus was claiming he was God and that he knew he was going to be sacrificed. We don't see these claims until the gospel of John.
      Here are a couple of examples for you.

    • @MultipleGrievance
      @MultipleGrievance День тому

      @SkyfallenVT
      Wes wasn't comparing the book of isaiah from the dead sea scrolls to current scholarship.
      He was referring to a much earlier text, then what we have today, though I can't remember which one.
      Where in the conversation did he say that jesus was claiming he was God? I don't doubt he believes that, but I don't remember that in this conversation.
      As for jesus knowing, he was going to be sacrificed, that's extremely common knowledge.
      Every biblical exegete teaches this very thing. Including whichever denomination you go to.

    • @SkyfallenVT
      @SkyfallenVT 14 годин тому

      @@MultipleGrievance So I listened to the pod cast again. Wes says when comparing the book of Isaiah to the Dead Sea scrolls it is word for word correct. Now he does mention the oldest form of Isaiah that they knew about was from the mid ages called the Masoretic Test.
      I am sure that most follows believed that Jesus knew he was going to be sacrificed, but the majority of bible scholars disagree with this.
      I'm just pointing out the parts Wes gets wrong. If anyone wants to believe these things, that's up to them. But for me it is important that he either states he is unsure, but this is his opinion. Or the majority of scholar say this, but I think this.
      Don't get me wrong, Wes did a great job of debating Billy Carson and dispelling a lot of these conspiracy theories, and I think that is a great thing.

  • @Steven_piedra
    @Steven_piedra День тому +2

    Trent, could you enable automatic dubbing in Spanish? UA-cam has already released a new update, and it would be a great help for us Spanish-speaking followers.

  • @tonyl3762
    @tonyl3762 День тому +6

    Everyone should check out Apocrypha Apocalypse for dismantling of some of Huff's claims about biblical canon. Really poor and sloppy history on that.

  • @thomasbaldwin9517
    @thomasbaldwin9517 День тому

    Been waiting for this vid - Thanks, Trent.

  • @SilverioFamilyforChrist
    @SilverioFamilyforChrist День тому +6

    The claim that past groups of people were "illiterate" seems to be a fallacious assumption on part of the modern mindset (depending on what is meant). Especially in a book and words driven people like the Jews. This is in stark contrast to the reading ability of modernity, which, unfortunately, seems to have waned with the advent of technology doing the thinking for a vast majority of westerners. The gaps between the studied individual and the common man grow wider in a sense. We have more knowledge but no wisdom to use, not realizing that the knowledge we do have is only in our hands and available to begin with because we stand on the shoulders of giants. Same thing goes for Rogan's claim that people in the past believed things that were not true. This claim would ignore that modern people still believe things that are not true every bit as much and just like in the past, these things are contested and claimed to be true (such as an unborn not being a life and men being able to become women).

    • @StanGraham1
      @StanGraham1 День тому +1

      Yes, I was especially disappointed that Wes seemed to agree with Joe that most ancients were illiterate. I know for one that ancient Jews were nearly 100% literate.

    • @SilverioFamilyforChrist
      @SilverioFamilyforChrist 20 годин тому +1

      @@StanGraham1 I think it was a partially understandable (not correct) position from Wes. As a Protestant, he must inevitably on some level (explicitly or implicitly) view the past through the lens of "they knew less than we do now". As a historian himself, Wes must argue that the Catholic church has either lost its way or was never the true church. Whichever route he takes, it begins with the premise that he (as a modern man) knows better. Logically fallacious but something, I think, to be expected from the Protestant perspective.

  • @bencook6585
    @bencook6585 День тому +1

    10:12 I thought you said "The late Peter Kreeft" and just about leapt out of my seat. Had to listen to it again and thankfully I was mistaken

  • @Jesus_Is_Our_Saviour4E
    @Jesus_Is_Our_Saviour4E 20 годин тому +3

    "I'm not a fan of Catholics also sitting back while Protestants do all the heavy lifting". Yeah I've been reflecting on this recently too. Most Christians who I see defending Christ's existence and resurrection - on social media and on the streets - are protestants. Perhaps they make themselves more available for public preaching - and we should too!

  • @ATageH
    @ATageH День тому +2

    Trent would be interesting to see you respond to Huff's claims about Catholicism.

  • @giovanibenjamin9655
    @giovanibenjamin9655 2 дні тому +5

    Glory to Jesus Christ, it is amazing that our Lord is being vindicated but Wes should do some touch up on his view historically about the Catholic Church

  • @hacker4chn841
    @hacker4chn841 День тому +1

    When are you going on JRE Trent?

  • @andrewpruett3719
    @andrewpruett3719 День тому +5

    Okay hope youre next video is correcting the record on the Mel Gibson video. Then we need to get Jimmy Akin on the Joe Rogan podcast.

  • @deshon3523
    @deshon3523 День тому +1

    Watched the debate with Billy Carson and was a bloodbath for billy. Wes huff is moving up in the world.

  • @batmaninc2793
    @batmaninc2793 День тому +4

    Hope Rogan sees this.

  • @monkeyofspice
    @monkeyofspice День тому +1

    Thank you for the charitable approach in this video towards Wes. It is refreshing to see followers of Christ laying aside doctrinal differences so that He may be proclaimed.
    By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
    - John 13:35

  • @robertgray323
    @robertgray323 День тому +3

    Huff's inaccurate information about the dead sea scrolls was disqualifying un my view

  • @jhssuthrnmama
    @jhssuthrnmama День тому

    The guy they wanted to harvest for organs had never stopped moving. They just prematurely declared him brain dead, even though he still had beating heart, all other functioning organs, etc.

  • @88Somi
    @88Somi День тому +6

    He is heretic well educated but still heretic.

    • @jaypritchard7122
      @jaypritchard7122 День тому

      That’s so yesterday. That’s some serious V1 language.

    • @halleylujah247
      @halleylujah247 День тому

      Informal heresy? Okay you probably are too then.

    • @DPK5201
      @DPK5201 День тому

      ​@@jaypritchard7122maybe rejection of doctrinal development is a good thing after all.

  • @SSamuel-wh5sh
    @SSamuel-wh5sh День тому +1

    Thank you for this! A Christ-honoring example to focus on the good and right and true, rather than emphasizing points of disagreement. Gives me hope that the body of Christ can be united someday.

  • @rick2402
    @rick2402 День тому +3

    amen to the last part, we Catholics need to step up when it comes to proclaiming the Gospel to non-believers...

  • @Isaiah53-FL
    @Isaiah53-FL День тому +2

    Great video, Trent. I especially agree with your last point about prots doing the heavy lifting in terms of non-christian apologetics. That brings up and awkward consideration, however, when one examines the content of this very channel. What percentage of it is simply dunking on prots or responding to every off-handed remark someone makes about the Catholic Church? If we're just separated brethren as the RCC now believes, why not direct more energy outwardly towards the non-believers.

    • @megaloschemos9113
      @megaloschemos9113 День тому +1

      💯💯

    • @TheCounselofTrent
      @TheCounselofTrent  День тому +8

      Thank you for your thoughts on that. In my last 30 videos about 10 of them dealt exclusively with Protestantism, so that would mean 2/3 of my content engages other issues like atheism, Mormonism, abortion, and far right discourse. I also find my content goes through seasons like "red pill" or "Catholic fundamentalism" and right now I'm hitting more Protestant topics, though I do want to engage more "mere Christian" apologetics, which is one reason I selected this as today's topic. However, I think a range of 25-30% of the content being dedicated to defending Christ's one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church would be a good use of my resources.

    • @Isaiah53-FL
      @Isaiah53-FL День тому

      @@TheCounselofTrent Fair enough. You're still very much loved and appreciated. I'm sure you have plenty of content queued up. But if you're looking for any suggestions, these are topics amongst the young men that I deal with; The ongoing Andrew Tate saga (in keeping with the red pill theme), the Christian's response to natutal evil/disasters (in wake of the LA fires and recent hurricanes), how to deal with the dearth of available women (given the ongoing gender based religio-political divide of our youth), & sports betting (which is becoming increasingly common among young men).

  • @reacting_to_stuff_
    @reacting_to_stuff_ День тому +2

    It didn’t convince me, he didn’t prove anything

    • @Zenostrades
      @Zenostrades День тому

      It was meant, to likely be true.. even if your a skeptic

    • @reacting_to_stuff_
      @reacting_to_stuff_ День тому

      @ not only a sceptic but former Christian here

    • @jacoblee5796
      @jacoblee5796 День тому +1

      I thought Wes did a horrible job when it came to defending the resurrection.

    • @DPK5201
      @DPK5201 День тому

      ​@@jacoblee5796seems you are almost.alone here, in that view

  • @phillipjones2924
    @phillipjones2924 День тому +11

    There are alot of things Catholics can learn from protestants. I learned saved by grace through faith. Kinda makes me sad I didn't learn that in the Catholic Church.

    • @ninjason57
      @ninjason57 День тому +4

      Which is strange because it's not hidden knowledge. It's right there in scripture.

    • @hamie7624
      @hamie7624 День тому +7

      No. Catholicism is the fullness of God's truth. Protestanism doesn't have anything the true Church doesn't, except a myriad of false teachings.

    • @z3rocodes
      @z3rocodes День тому +3

      The fact that you don't know what you "learned" is just semantics is the real sad part.

    • @Lele-j4h
      @Lele-j4h День тому +3

      @@hamie7624 If your pope is going around saying things like, all religions are paths to God. And yall consider him infallible, you don’t think that the highest rank in your church going around telling people thier religion will lead them to God is problematic, when The Bible clearly teaches the only to to The Father is Jesus Christ. Jesus is THE WAY, THE TRUTH and THE LIFE. No other way. So you’re saying that about protestants when your pope is going around telling people their religion will lead to God. What would be the point of the Catholic Church then? I don’t get it

    • @FrankRios2b
      @FrankRios2b День тому

      ​@@Lele-j4hjust for the record the Pope has never declared anything he said as infallible. So stop speaking out your arse.

  • @gor764
    @gor764 День тому

    Trent I would be interested in seeing you do a full breakdown of Dale Allison's latest work on the Resurrection.

  • @Manpayi
    @Manpayi День тому +4

    The smug superiority of papists always gets me.

    • @DanielAluni-v2t
      @DanielAluni-v2t День тому +3

      The speck in your neighbor's eye is more bothersome than the log 🪵 impairing your own?

    • @Manpayi
      @Manpayi День тому

      @ nah, I can list about 1100 years worth of reasons why I dislike papists. Where would you like me to begin?

    • @Cklert
      @Cklert День тому

      @@Manpayi It seems Christ's message of self-righteousness and hypocrisy is lost on you.

  • @hectorallanrivera9334
    @hectorallanrivera9334 12 годин тому

    We are all on the same team; kudos to Huff for his intellect, faith and courage to do what he did on the Rogan show. Praying that you can also get an opportunity to do likewise one day Trent as Christianity is being attacked by secularism at all levels. Blessings.

  • @Rowgun254
    @Rowgun254 День тому +4

    Wes debunked Billy Carsons' use of a forged document and then hypocritically used a forged document to talk about how the disciples died

    • @ryanbrown4053
      @ryanbrown4053 День тому +5

      He literally said "the story goes"

    • @Rowgun254
      @Rowgun254 День тому

      @ryanbrown4053 He mentioned it like it was a universally accepted fact

    • @ACGBLR
      @ACGBLR День тому +1

      @@Rowgun254like billy, you misrepresent what happened.

    • @ryanbrown4053
      @ryanbrown4053 День тому +1

      @Rowgun254 sounds like you just want him to be wrong. I didn't infer that he believed it was absolutely true from how he phrased it. Seemed super obvious that he was just citing how the tradition goes.

    • @Rowgun254
      @Rowgun254 День тому

      @@ryanbrown4053 @ACGBLR 😀Classic apologetics. "I know he said this...but this is what he really meant!"

  • @loisjdncpskdjnc7786
    @loisjdncpskdjnc7786 День тому +2

    I'm honestly glad people [especially american non denom and baptist christians] are starting to make the right people famous like wes huff

    • @mj6493
      @mj6493 День тому

      Yes. For years we've been hearing from the fringes. It's about time more capable representatives weighed in.

  • @voltcheckburrows5010
    @voltcheckburrows5010 День тому +3

    Mr Horn makes a good point. I've also noticed protestants focus on evangelism to non-believers whereas Catholics focus on evangelism toward protestants.
    Is there something about the beautiful but elaborate structures of Catholicism that lead to this?

    • @Zenostrades
      @Zenostrades День тому +2

      It’s the opposite actually..

    • @keymaker2112
      @keymaker2112 День тому +2

      Online, yes. In person? I see no difference.
      I suspect the difference online being that each part goes for what it perceives as the low-hanging fruit. For Catholics, the easiest rhetorical target are Protestants because of the added bonus of Church Hisotry, and for Protestants, the easiest rhetorical target are atheists, because of their moral vacuity (not individually, but philosophically).

    • @DanielAluni-v2t
      @DanielAluni-v2t День тому

      Kinda, it was called Vatican II

  • @jeanlanz2344
    @jeanlanz2344 День тому

    Well done again, as usual, Trent. God bless you. I also liked your accurate criticism at the end about Catholics and Orthodox inter-fighting and letting our Protestant brothers carry the heavy load of convincing nonbelievers of the Resurrection.

  • @zcuric
    @zcuric День тому +7

    Now do Mel Gibson.

    • @ninjason57
      @ninjason57 День тому

      Yea seriously. I watched that Rogan Gibson episode and my heart was racing hearing all the stuff they said about the Catholic church. Id love to hear Trent's spin on it.

    • @Lele-j4h
      @Lele-j4h День тому +1

      @@ninjason57 what did he say wrong?

    • @ninjason57
      @ninjason57 День тому

      @ go watch it yourself. It's free online.

    • @DanielAluni-v2t
      @DanielAluni-v2t День тому +2

      ​@@ninjason57while I don't think entering into schism is the answer, Mel definitely has some points that most Popesplainers sweep too quickly under the rug.

    • @AndrewPont-w1j
      @AndrewPont-w1j День тому

      ​@DanielAluni-v2t
      Nothing schismatic about rejecting a non Catholic pope

  • @patrickdepoortere6830
    @patrickdepoortere6830 День тому +1

    Would love a deep dive on :
    52 and the graves were opened, and many bodies arose out of them, bodies of holy men gone to their rest: 53 who, after his rising again, left their graves and went into the holy city, where they were seen by many.

  • @ChrisMikel-yr5mr
    @ChrisMikel-yr5mr День тому +3

    I came to know Christ in jail in 2013 by reading a book, "Overcoming spiritual blindness" by James P. Gills MD. The veil was taken off my eyes. Heaven came through for me in my finances too, getting $25,000 monthly. I can support God's work and give back to my community. God is absolutely more than enough!