For those looking for the replacement LCD used in this conversion, here's a link on AliExpress with the exact same monitor: www.aliexpress.com/item/32897349993.html
Wow those Karateka and Pac-Man disks booting up brought back a lot of memories from my childhood. I played a lot of video games on my Apple IIc. Thanks for sharing.
Glad you liked it! I agree, it pairs really nice with the Apple IIc. It's a shame Apple didn't officially come out with a color flat panel display BITD. They might have sold more of them.
That's pretty small, especially for a non-laptop. I'd rather have something at least as big as the original tube monitor. I remember the IIc as very expensive, much more than the II and IIe, and was and still am disappointed in Apple's direction. I wanted them to come out with something cheaper and competitive with Commodore64, TI99 and Sinclair's. With this it was obvious they were going high-end, and in fact got way too expensive for schools. Schools eventually switched to PCs because Macs were ridiculously expensive for education. I have oddly mixed feelings about this mod. I remember playing Karnataka on monochrome, I think mine was a pirated copy. Along with pirated Drol. Pirating often required A fancy disk drive, and different methods of copy protection were used on different titles.
Agreed, something as big as the original CRT would be better, however at the time this is what Apple made for the //c computer. As for having mixed feelings about this mod, like I mentioned in my video, if the original screen was working with a good picture, I would have it kept it stock, but since it was total garbage, doing the mod IMHO was a good decision. Now for playing a pirated copy of Karateka, don't copy that floppy LOL. Oh and Drol is so much fun, even today in 2021!
@@geekwithsocialskills oh yes, I forgot to compliment you on the actual mod. 🤗 I saw something similar done on an Amstrad, I think. One of those British computers with a similar small LCD. Good work! Karateka, but I never got Prince of Persia, the title by the same guy which got a lot more attention from history. I'm waiting for the day e-ink has fast enough refresh rates, and is cheap enough!, to use in something like replacing an original Mac screen. Probably would cut electric power requirements, and weight, to make these totally portable. We're not there yet. It would be much better than making a Macquarium!
Yep, it's an original Karateka disk. I never even thought about trying to boot the flip side. Let me go do that now and report back in a follow up comment :-)
Wow. I had no idea. I'm actually going to make a quick video about the flip side of the disk and upload it to my channel this weekend. Thank you for the heads up on that!
the mitsumi MTM-4V-0 is the ribbon controller, the amiga a-500 keyboard has one as well, can you scan the original boards in hires and upload them somewhere
Sure, I can scan the original MTM-4V-0 ribbon controller board for you. My contact details are on my about page. Send me a message and once I do the scans, I'll email them over to you.
The actual Apple flat panel display units are pretty rare since not to many were sold back in the day. You might try eBay. As for the replacement LCD used in this conversion, here's a link on AliExpress with the monitor: www.aliexpress.com/item/32897349993.html
It's been a couple years since the release of your video. I noticed the flicker on the walking path in Karateka at 4:24 and 4:44. Normally, there are adjustments on a VGA LCD that allow you to tune out such flickering. Are there any such controls on the controller of your LCD to remove that flickering? (The reason I ask is because I have the same LCD working on a IIc now.)
Hi James! Indeed it's been a couple of years since I posted this video. The flicker you mention doesn't happen in person, it appears to be an artifact of my camera at the time of recording. As for any special controls on the controller board, I don't recall there being any, however I could be wrong since it's been a long time. The LCD used doesn't seem to be available anymore.
@@geekwithsocialskills Thank you for sharing your experience. Unfortunately, with my LCD, the flickering I see on the same walking path in Karateka is with my own eyes. It's not on camera only, although the flickering appears on camera too. I'm just curious if there's a way to get rid of it like you can with adjustments on many VGA LCD monitors. The fact your flickering doesn't appear to be visible to your eyes is interesting. You and I should have the same LCD since mine is the same Prototype that Javier Rivera and Jonathan Adar put together and was shown at the recent VCF Midwest this past September. They forwarded it on to me, and I aim to do a video about it. Would you might firing up Karateka again to be absolutely sure you don't see any flickering on that walking path? If you don't, it means the flickering can be tuned out. I'm just curious as to how.
I found out about the LCD from Javier Rivera back in March 2021. The eBay seller he suggested no longer had them for sale, however I did find a slightly different version on AliExpress which is the one I purchased for the modifcation. The original one Javier used in his modifcation did have some different resolution options that mine didn't, so maybe that has something to do with it? I did double checked and I can see a little bit of flickering. Until you pointed it out, I didn't notice it LOL. For reference this is the link I used to purchase my LCD (they are now sold out it seems) but maybe you could reach out to the vendor and see if they know more about internal adustments? www.aliexpress.us/item/2251832711035241.html
P.S. have you seen my upside down Karateka video? Looks like even playing the game upside down the flicker is present LOL ua-cam.com/video/4WNYrikbtcY/v-deo.html
@@geekwithsocialskills Thank you for kindly checking and confirming the flickering. Thank you also for providing the link. I will reach out to that seller and see what they have to say about it.
that monitor is composite video input. what needs to be done and how from the DB15 signals to make it into a composite video signal compatible with the monitor your show, is not explained on any of the links you provide. I just made my IIc alive.. and is desperate to see a color image..
Watch Javier's video here and if you have additional questions on how to do the wiring, he can explain in better detail since he's done a lot of these color conversions ua-cam.com/video/S4zNsHyLqZY/v-deo.html
@@geekwithsocialskills thanks a lot, for others who like a fast answer : he say only use 3 pins 8 12 13 full explain : pin 8 is +12V, pin 12 is video, pin 13 is gnd
For those looking for the replacement LCD used in this conversion, here's a link on AliExpress with the exact same monitor: www.aliexpress.com/item/32897349993.html
Great video, thanks for the shout out and hope you are enjoying your conversion!
Thanks! Your conversion process is amazing!
Wow those Karateka and Pac-Man disks booting up brought back a lot of memories from my childhood. I played a lot of video games on my Apple IIc. Thanks for sharing.
Awesome my video helped spark some happy childhood memories for you. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Great way to repurpose an aging display that couldn't be refurbished in it's original state. Turned out awesome!
The original screen never looked good, even when new. I think this is why Apple didn’t sell many of them.
Now THAT'S some sweet, sweet, portable, Apple II goodness!
Indeed, it's pretty sweet :-)
Loved this! The pairing of that screen with the IIC looks ABSOLUTELY AMAZING! Such a cool device. Glad you made a video on it!
Glad you liked it! I agree, it pairs really nice with the Apple IIc. It's a shame Apple didn't officially come out with a color flat panel display BITD. They might have sold more of them.
So freaking awesome!!!!!
I agree :-)
hey, this is awesome! Such a cute display, thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching! Agreed, it is a cute little display.
Great video! I’d never even heard of this display!
Thanks for watching! From what I can tell, they are pretty rare since not a lot were sold originally.
welcome. Useful content, thank you
Glad it was helpful!
How is the aspect ratio? Looks like it could be off?
It's pretty close to the original Apple flat panel. Right about 16 x 9.
@@geekwithsocialskills how close is it to the tube? Wasn't that 4:3? I know nothing about Apple II
The small green screens on the stands for the Apple IIc machines are 4:3 but the flat panels were never 4:3. They are good for text in 80 column mode.
@@geekwithsocialskills aha! Thanks
That's pretty small, especially for a non-laptop. I'd rather have something at least as big as the original tube monitor. I remember the IIc as very expensive, much more than the II and IIe, and was and still am disappointed in Apple's direction. I wanted them to come out with something cheaper and competitive with Commodore64, TI99 and Sinclair's. With this it was obvious they were going high-end, and in fact got way too expensive for schools. Schools eventually switched to PCs because Macs were ridiculously expensive for education. I have oddly mixed feelings about this mod. I remember playing Karnataka on monochrome, I think mine was a pirated copy. Along with pirated Drol. Pirating often required A fancy disk drive, and different methods of copy protection were used on different titles.
Agreed, something as big as the original CRT would be better, however at the time this is what Apple made for the //c computer. As for having mixed feelings about this mod, like I mentioned in my video, if the original screen was working with a good picture, I would have it kept it stock, but since it was total garbage, doing the mod IMHO was a good decision. Now for playing a pirated copy of Karateka, don't copy that floppy LOL. Oh and Drol is so much fun, even today in 2021!
@@geekwithsocialskills oh yes, I forgot to compliment you on the actual mod. 🤗 I saw something similar done on an Amstrad, I think. One of those British computers with a similar small LCD. Good work! Karateka, but I never got Prince of Persia, the title by the same guy which got a lot more attention from history. I'm waiting for the day e-ink has fast enough refresh rates, and is cheap enough!, to use in something like replacing an original Mac screen. Probably would cut electric power requirements, and weight, to make these totally portable. We're not there yet. It would be much better than making a Macquarium!
Wait - that's an original Karateka disk, and you didn't try to boot the flip side?
Yep, it's an original Karateka disk. I never even thought about trying to boot the flip side. Let me go do that now and report back in a follow up comment :-)
Wow. I had no idea. I'm actually going to make a quick video about the flip side of the disk and upload it to my channel this weekend. Thank you for the heads up on that!
@@geekwithsocialskills Glad you enjoyed it!
For those following along, here's my follow up video on it ua-cam.com/video/4WNYrikbtcY/v-deo.html
Ah yes... It's been a long time since I played Karateka on an Apple II... I had forgotten about the B-side gag. :)
the mitsumi MTM-4V-0 is the ribbon controller, the amiga a-500 keyboard has one as well, can you scan the original boards in hires and upload them somewhere
Sure, I can scan the original MTM-4V-0 ribbon controller board for you. My contact details are on my about page. Send me a message and once I do the scans, I'll email them over to you.
This LCD is no longer available... Is there an alternative available somewhere, I am not an expert at all. Thank you for your advice!
Correct. They are very hard to come by now. If I find an alternative, I'll add a updated link to my description.
Nice Hack! 😎
I love when we can bring new life into old technology. Hack the planet! :-)
Hi where I can find this flat panel ? thanks
The actual Apple flat panel display units are pretty rare since not to many were sold back in the day. You might try eBay. As for the replacement LCD used in this conversion, here's a link on AliExpress with the monitor: www.aliexpress.com/item/32897349993.html
@@geekwithsocialskills thanks let me know if you see one please thanks a lot
You're welcome. My contact details are on my channel about page. Shoot me a email to discuss.
That’s nuts!
Hah, thanks! :-)
It's been a couple years since the release of your video. I noticed the flicker on the walking path in Karateka at 4:24 and 4:44. Normally, there are adjustments on a VGA LCD that allow you to tune out such flickering. Are there any such controls on the controller of your LCD to remove that flickering? (The reason I ask is because I have the same LCD working on a IIc now.)
Hi James! Indeed it's been a couple of years since I posted this video. The flicker you mention doesn't happen in person, it appears to be an artifact of my camera at the time of recording. As for any special controls on the controller board, I don't recall there being any, however I could be wrong since it's been a long time. The LCD used doesn't seem to be available anymore.
@@geekwithsocialskills Thank you for sharing your experience. Unfortunately, with my LCD, the flickering I see on the same walking path in Karateka is with my own eyes. It's not on camera only, although the flickering appears on camera too. I'm just curious if there's a way to get rid of it like you can with adjustments on many VGA LCD monitors. The fact your flickering doesn't appear to be visible to your eyes is interesting. You and I should have the same LCD since mine is the same Prototype that Javier Rivera and Jonathan Adar put together and was shown at the recent VCF Midwest this past September. They forwarded it on to me, and I aim to do a video about it. Would you might firing up Karateka again to be absolutely sure you don't see any flickering on that walking path? If you don't, it means the flickering can be tuned out. I'm just curious as to how.
I found out about the LCD from Javier Rivera back in March 2021. The eBay seller he suggested no longer had them for sale, however I did find a slightly different version on AliExpress which is the one I purchased for the modifcation. The original one Javier used in his modifcation did have some different resolution options that mine didn't, so maybe that has something to do with it? I did double checked and I can see a little bit of flickering. Until you pointed it out, I didn't notice it LOL. For reference this is the link I used to purchase my LCD (they are now sold out it seems) but maybe you could reach out to the vendor and see if they know more about internal adustments? www.aliexpress.us/item/2251832711035241.html
P.S. have you seen my upside down Karateka video? Looks like even playing the game upside down the flicker is present LOL ua-cam.com/video/4WNYrikbtcY/v-deo.html
@@geekwithsocialskills Thank you for kindly checking and confirming the flickering. Thank you also for providing the link. I will reach out to that seller and see what they have to say about it.
that monitor is composite video input. what needs to be done and how from the DB15 signals to make it into a composite video signal compatible with the monitor your show, is not explained on any of the links you provide. I just made my IIc alive.. and is desperate to see a color image..
Watch Javier's video here and if you have additional questions on how to do the wiring, he can explain in better detail since he's done a lot of these color conversions ua-cam.com/video/S4zNsHyLqZY/v-deo.html
@@geekwithsocialskills thanks a lot, for others who like a fast answer : he say only use 3 pins 8 12 13 full explain : pin 8 is +12V, pin 12 is video, pin 13 is gnd
You're welcome! Happy to help!
@@geekwithsocialskills I got mine Apple IIc back to life, released a video today about it , see here : ua-cam.com/video/2UEVfwBz1JA/v-deo.html
Very cool!
Thank you! I agree, very cool :-)