🛸 this is SUCH a quickly changing market that I can't possibly cover everything in this video, and will likely update as things change and advance. But as some have already noted, it seems I kinda lucked out on this handpan, as it wasn't as bad as i thought it might have been. I know handpans arent super accessible. Yet. The cheaper market is not a good alternative. I hope for that to change. Somehow.
My Handpan from China for $200 and It's a complete copy of what you have in your video.. I really wanted to try it first. Now, I love this instrument. I recently moved to LA, now I want to find a company to play Hang and chat with..🙃
@@VERT502 … Find Hamsa Handpans … they’re in LA and aside from being a great builder, he does community jam events that are open to anyone interested. I got my 2nd pan from them. Also, Acolyte Instruments (previously Nirvana Handpans) is just a hop, skip and a jump away in Glendale. I bought my first pan from them. They’re both great companies! ☺️🛸🎶🦋
@@VERT502 … Find Hamsa Handpans … they’re in LA and aside from being a great builder, he does community jam events that are open to anyone interested. I got my 2nd pan from them. Also, Acolyte Instruments (previously Nirvana Handpans) is just a hop, skip and a jump away in Glendale. I bought my first pan from them. They’re both great companies! ☺️🛸🎶🦋
@@VERT502 … Find Hamsa Handpans … they’re in LA and aside from being a great builder, he does community jam events that are open to anyone interested. I got my 2nd pan from them. Also, Acolyte Instruments (previously Nirvana Handpans) is just a hop, skip and a jump away in Glendale. I bought my first pan from them. They’re both great companies! ☺️🛸🎶🦋
@@VERT502 … Find Hamsa Handpans … they’re in LA and aside from being a great builder, he does community jam events that are open to anyone interested. I got my 2nd pan from them. Also, Acolyte Instruments (previously Nirvana Handpans) is just a hop, skip and a jump away in Glendale. I bought my first pan from them. They’re both great companies! ☺️🛸🎶🦋
@@ivymoon5084 Yes the low end of the guitar market has changed a lot and now you can get some amazing guitars for very little, as they gain experience with handpans let us hope they go the same way.
My friend was diagnosed with breast cancer and going through chemo. She bought a $45 handpan to play for her sense of peace. She loved it so much that she recommended it for me. I have the same one for my son. Music is often a great meditative gift to the sick or the disabled.
Together with "Letting Go" by shouting in a Forest...and Splashing colours on a Canvas...Output from the craziness of too much noise. Bless you greatly.
i have an amazon handpan for 200 dollars, i've had it for 6 months and it held its tune surprisingly well and i'm not having any issues at all, though its range of sounds is limited, it sounds very good, sure not majestic but most definitely gets the job done, i suggest it if you're learning
I bought my first handpan off Temu, returned it within a week as it was out of tune. Bought my second off Amazon, returned that one in a week as it was out of tune as well. My third handpan was bought from Yataopan based out of Germany (I'm in Canada) which is Malte Marten and friends company and it was beautiful and for the most part sounded amazing but the low note was out of tune i was going to give up as i thought id never get one that was in tune and this one had cost me $2k so my nerves were shot BUT to my delight and amazement Yatao sent me a replacement it took 5 months as. I had to wait for the next batch to be manufactured but I'm happy to say that it's in tune and sounds beautiful, yay!
I suspect Amazon buys from Temu and just marks it up to make a profit... I personally wouldn't buy anything from Temu, and if Amazon is advertising things I've seen on Temu, I would seriously reconsider the purchase, as I know most things sold on Temu are of low quality and unless it's also cheap on Amazon, not worth it.
As a multi instrumentalist, that Amazon handpan sounds *PERFECT* for my purposes. I don’t aspire to virtuosity on any of my instruments, I just need access to the sounds…so it doesn’t need to be of the exacting standards of a professional who specializes in that instrument. It just needs to be playable and sound good enough in a mix with other instruments.
nah, its pretty out of tune.. you'd be better off just getting MIDI handpan sound package and use the synth or your laptop if you just need the sounds.. but this thing is a waste of money and space and metal
I hear you. I bought one off Temu and so far 6 months later it sounds exactly like the tuning of Malte Martin's and Amy's lessons. So for a beginner who's getting her feet wet, I think it's GREAT for only $150 (plus they sent me a 2nd one for free because the first one they sent didn't have mallets (which I don't even use), and it also was perfectly tuned, and they both stil are. If I end up able to play and stick with it, I definitely will spend the $$ for a Yatao. So I'm totally happy there are options for people like me. The $2k and up prices makes it prohibitive for most people to even think about getting into learning how to play a handpan and they pass up the opportunity, so that's something no one talks about. I think the more power to you if you can get a handpan correctly tuned. If it gets out of tun in a year, buy another one for $150 until you can afford one for $2k and up.
RIGHT. I also think that it's absolutely worth to give the cheaper ones a try. And hey, about what for a big price difference we are talking about??? The Meridian are starting with a 7times higher and the German ones with even actually 12times ... !!! 😮 I believe that the real worth/truth is always in the middle. But for Beginners this one from Amazon sounds like a great opportunity 🎉 and sure you get so much more for your money!❤
250 pounds is about 2300 Chinese Yuan. That is a months rent in China for an apartment in a small city. It really put things into perspective. I am a music teacher at a Beijing International school. You would be surprised at the high quality of some of these instruments when you buy at the right places locally in China. My addiction of buying and teaching new instruments is a blessing and a curse, but oh it is fun. Next up is the handpan.
I fully agree with you. Yes, I do buy crap, but it's part of the learning curve. I found excellent products, for which the oldest in my possession is a Huawei mobile Modem, and the most recent a planer, which are of superlative quality compared to equivalent products from elsewhere. The Chinese are excellent craftsmen and have my full respect. Some could be better, but eventually they are taking shortcuts we all take ...😄
Laughing because she kept saying it was "250 pounds" but it looked like it was pretty lightweight 😂 Not being a Brit I forgot that that's a unit of money and another way of measuring the device!
Thank you so much for doing this video and not shaming those of us who cannot commit more money. I'm happy with my Amazon purchase, play it only occasionally, but it brings me much joy. Also, your videos keep me interested and motivated to play. I'm so grateful for you!
Ja vielen Dank für Ihren Respekt denen gegenüber, die nicht so viel Geld für ein teures Instrument haben. Selbst 250 sind schon einen Monat Lebensmittel kaufen.
I got a cheap d minor kurd....granted it doesn't sound as full as the pricer ones but I figured, as a beginner, this will be fine till I can save up for the expensive ones. I love watching your tutorials just trying to get my hands to do what yours do...lol. I'm gonna be 59 this year and I love the sounds to calm my ptsd anxiety.
@AmyNaylorMusic sound therapy is awesome. Plus when you are grounding yourself outside. I also, thanks to my husband, am getting a high spirits bass E earth tone flute to learn as well. Wish I would of started years ago! No one around here teaches handpan or the native indian flute. I live in Northern Iowa, USA
First a bought a cheap handpan. About 400 euro's. It did sound not to bad, but I had no experience with handpans. A few weeks later I dropped it on the ding. I asked local builders if they could tune it. They all refused, at first I was a bit disappointed but later on I realized that they could not take the risk. I made a stick with a round point and after three days I got it in tune again. But later on I heard an expensive handpan. The sound was so much better. I did some research. Checked what brand handpan you and other handpanplayers used on youtube. I saved up some money and bought an expensive Elaia handpan (Lotus D kurd 19). The best decision I ever made. I will never sell this handpan. I am not a good handpan player but a good handpan makes a big difference. I follow the course on masterthehandpan from David and Malte and I just enjoy the handpan. And I dont care that I never be a great player but I love the instrument. Hope you have a great day. Greetings, Henne.
@@Hennew noche. Great desición. If you able to Pay. 😁.maje the difference but the most important Is thechnique. But you buy a treasure. Is not only be a player pro. The sound generarte peace AND its food for the soul. Love from argentina. 😍
@@ambitiouswelifeandcareerco7100 depende del país. En argentina en 800 hay hand de primera línea . Cómo así de 400. O de e bay baratos. Acá hay excelentes fabricantes felmlismo nivel y a precios más accesibles.
@@ambitiouswelifeandcareerco7100 I would not recommend a hanpand under 1000 euro. First things first. Find a local builder. That is the best thing I can recommend. A good handpan starts around 1500 euro's. But that is my opinion. I saved and bought a handpan for life. I will not sell it even if they want to pay more then I payed for it. You wont regret it. I'm a student not a professional handpan player. Maybe you should ask Amy or Rosie. Have a great day. Friendly greetings, Henne.
I'll have you know my chicken introduced me. A man began to play, at a medieval event. My chicken wandered off and stood listening to him, occasionally trilling. She had a favorite! I had to go check it out. Mandolins, soft singing, guitar, harp, flute she likes all of them but not like she goes for this music. Very relaxing, and uplifting. If that is a cheap one, I can see why fewer people have them. But like buying a drum, or violin, the construction matters in the final sound. ❤️ That was a nice little jam! Thank you for sharing!
This is a really great video. Thanks for sharing and putting in just the right amount of work producing it. It was clear that the higher half of the scale on the factory made handpan was not in tune harmonically, but you two are good players and I found myself feeling good when you found your groove together, even considering the relatively less awesome quality of the factory handpan.
Looking for a hand pan and loved this video. You are the first person that came up and I love how you’ve shown that you really do get what you pay for! I will have one of these for the Holidays!
Base note sounds good but lucked out on some of those higher notes. You are spot on about the risks involved. I heard one on Temu I actually liked (many others I didn’t). I wasn’t going to purchase without first hearing the scale and the resonance. I have sensitive ears and can hear the harmonics slightly out but not enough that it hurts my ears like the one you have in your video. In fact the 10 note d minor 432 hand-pan I have is awesome because i I can genuinely connect to it with joy and I’ve been inspired to play every it day. I’ve discovered this is my instrument! So while is morally questionable it’s facilitated being a very healing instrument for me in a difficult time and in the bigger picture its leading to me now wanting to save up and invest in a locally made one here in Australia. Plus it is leading to me eventually creating and sharing healing sounds in the with friends, family and the wider community.
I had one of these for Christmas (yesterday) and love it already. I'm a professional multi instrumental musician and I expect there are much better instruments but in my experience, the most expensive are not always the best. Mine cost £165 on amazon. Exactly the same as this.
Okay, it DOES sound a bit like a can lid being tapped BUT . . . it also has some charm, much like a scratchy old vinyl record vs a contempory digital recording. I think these have their place as a creative instrument (as you mentioned). Last yr I bought a new $40 ukulele just to see if I liked it. It wasn't a toy, just a 'B Stock' and on sale. Turned out I LOVE playing the uke & I now have 7 (a few expensive). I will gift the original one to one of my friends to give the uke a try but I absolutely could sell it if I wanted. BTW, my fav uke while traveling or playing outside in the heat & humidity is my $40 soprano carbon fiber (Enya) uke. A hot car or a pop up rain shower won't bother it at all & it plays v easily. The sound is just fine for a casual audience of family or friends. Neither of the two ukuleles is for professional performance of course.
Fun video! I love when you and Rosie get together. I bought a Lomuty 10 note D kurd from Amazon for $430 US. I figured there was no risk since I could return it. I'm really happy with it! Then again, it's my first handpan so I have nothing to compare it to. If I get good enough, I'll get a nicer one someday, but this one is perfect for learning on. I just looked and they're much cheaper now than when I bought mine a year ago (of course...lol).
This was great Amy. You and Rosie touched on exactly all the issues that these pan tend to have. One quick thing. The Hamsa pans actually are rebranded but they are tuned to bring them up to the Hamsa standard. And for what they are they are a super solid instrument, and I’d recommend them over an unknown. 🤗 You two are my hero’s. 😁
I'm so torn at the pros and cons of these "cheap" instruments, but I think the biggest pro is making them accessible for everyone to play and try to get a little joy out of music. Not everyone can afford to drop $1000 just to see if they enjoy something.
You must remember handpans originally weren't made with expensive materials, they came from very inexpensive easy to find/resource materials.. handpans origins are not from prominent areas of the world...
I'm not an expert, but I bought this hand pan a while back ago just on a whim, and it is a beautiful sounding instrument. Most of my friends loved tapping on it too. - Specktoscope 🔬
great from the heart video, The difference sound for sound is remarkable, some very chewy notes on teh amazon pan.... Still a pleasure to listen to you both play. (I don't blame you at all for sending it back lol) The hand pan is new to me, I'm actually a blacksmith looking for unusual instruments to have a go at making and the handpan is literally 15minutes new to me both in terms of what I know and what Ive seen and what Ive heard. It does look like a fun project to put some time into and see what sort of appalling noise I can make...maybe I'll share my exploits thanks for sharing yours.
Remember! If you buy a nice instrument and don't end up sticking with handpan, you'll be able to resell. Whereas an instrument of this quality will never be able to be sold again.
@@carloscenteno8524 … I hear ya!! And glad you were able to sell that one … and honestly, if you’re not recording or performing gigs, then it’s not as imperative that the pan be of the highest quality …. But Amy and I do both, therefore I think we tend to look at it from that perspective .. so your points are valid … 🤗🛸🎶🦋
@@thathandpanlady4510 sure. Im only want to have a d kurd 7 from a good Luthier or shop. Nothing More. I hope sometime play on one. Because the sustain Is awesome. But for the moment i practise technique AND compositor.
@@thathandpanlady4510 im a djembe percusionista 8 years. I discover this instrumental AND you about a year. AND i hace once used 6 months ago. But i note the dofference. On sound. But its ok i have one . Here in argentina the financiala situación Is hard. 😅
In my opinion when you two start playing together and two handpans, the cheaper one sounds nicer and brighter. The tough part about buying these online is you can't test it out beforehand and depending on who worked on it, it can sound terrible and the sound quality varies greatly
I saved heavily for my first hand pan , paid around 2k ish for it, was well worth saving for, your tutorials have helped me to understand playing it and i think im doing ok with it so far, posted a video on yt of me playing it and got great feedback , im glad i didnt go cheap first , a good quality hand pan is well worth saving for, you can just feel the difference in the way plays Love your channel too , has helped me immensely
Thank you so much for making this video. I was just about to buy the Amazon handpan, but I will not buy one until I save up a little more and come see you first.
Thank you for making this content!! My first handpan was $400 from asteman and the quality was not bad - lovely in fact ( played it for farm animals on my channel ) . Now I have some pans in the $1299-1400 range from makers like BeatRise & Acolyte can tell the difference in quality and sound ! My biggest qualm with the handpan when I play it for others is their excitement of the sound followed by the shock and frustration sometimes horror of the cost & inaccessibility of the instrument. Followed by the projection of the dismay of the cost and inaccessibility onto me 😅. But I also feel and empathize with the pain & dismay, because pans can be $1200 - 3000+ and that’s A LOT to me . Payment plans and all. Especially when you’re not being sponsored or gifted them by the pan makers.
I was chocked too when I just looked !!! Honestly and I come from playing Baritone saxophone that the starting point is in the few ks for the cheapest crap, that also constantly get out of wack and no one can fix cause the metals are just too cheap😂 it looks like such a simple piece of metal you really wonder why is it so expensive when a full electric Piano of decent quality now these days is cheaper than that 😅😅😅 this year I got a Yamaha acoustic guitar, it sounds beautiful!!! even for an awful player like me 😂 and it was under 300$ I was so amazed 😂❤ Poor people should play guitar it's much more affordable 😂❤
I bought three already and gave one away and I kind of regret it and I want to replace it, but I have no talent but these are nice to give away to the right people.
10:15 that sounds like a good way to support a builders legacy, apprenticeships, they arent around as much nor available as much in a lot of different sectors in craftsmanships and trades. So to suport businesses who are bringing new blood into keep it alive, futire-proofing the craft, i like that 👌 thats cool 😎
I deeply appreciate the thought and effort behind the video, but as an enthusist for the instrument, perhaps you should have provided a bit more wisdom and words of encouragement for beginners, rather than saying in so many words, "if you cant afford an expensive one, save up or dont bother". Its like telling someone who wants to learn violin that if they cant afford a Stradivarius, then dont bother, or in this case, if you cant afford an original PanArt Hang made by Felix Rogner and Sabrina Schärer, then dont bother. It makes it feel like youre more of an advocate in bumping sales for the companies/ names you partner with, rather than sharing the love and interest of the instrument. Not to mention it really deters someone from even trying. In no way am I advocating that someone should support the cheap manufacturers rather than the more well known names that make them, however like any instrument, handpans can be tuned. Sure its a hassle and perhaps a little bit of an unnecessary expense, but if a beginner wants to go for a more affordable option to begin, then by all means, they should. Especially if testing the waters. Dropping the money on an expensive instrument as a beginner is not only daunting, but could potentially have a finacial impact, especially since certain instruments such as the handpan, are fairly niche outside of Europe. Give constructive advice and use your voice as encouragment for beginners to test the waters, and as they progress save for a better, more robust instrument. If they decide they no longer want to continue, well then they tried, they arent out the more staggering cost, and they can put that savings towards something else. Other than that, im glad you at least dabbled into the topic. The handpan is an amazing sounding intrument and I would love to see its popularity take off futher.
That’s because she IS simply trying to boost sales of her partners she’s affiliated with. It’s blatantly obvious as you pointed out. All she said was “don’t buy this, it’s $250 and if you can save for a $250 one, why not just save for a $1,750 or $2,000 one? No big deal!” Pretty absurd sadly. Honestly I didn’t notice a HUGE difference between the two, at least not 6-7 times better as it ought to be for the cost difference.
May ask what the cost of the pan your comparing it to? Because if you’ve got a £250 pan up against a £3500 pan then there is no comparison. Thanks though I may dive in.. 👍
Idk where you buy copper or bronze or AB (aluminium/bronze) in sheet form, I know the price of the more sought after metals are always fluctuating you can ask you local scrap metal merchants/dump for metal and ask or just look it up online. But I know a one piece sheet of copper that would probably need to be 700mm x 700mm square in order to get the depth and shape including indentations concave/convex, maybe more but anyone making this in bulk, cost of diminishing returns comes to mind- buy full size sheets that minimise waste cuts and maximise scrap metal value off the waste cuts to then go towards either money in the kitty for more sheets knowing you can cover an extra 100 or so units on waste cut money back alone. So if you can figure out how to manufacture these or hand build, I'm assuming these are pressed into a sheet metal die, shaped, cut and less time spent in fine tunig- the polishing of the instruments tuning and literally polishing for also tone and aesthetics that's probably why it's rough around the edges, and goes out of harmony as you go up the scale, not as well balanced as something that has come from a factory that has the same rough process of shaping, as well as the finer process of tuning stability and harmonic intonation and polishing by hand to further fine tune harmonic resonance/sympathetic vibration by adjusting the thickness of the percussive areas which would be a last touch hand done process, that's the extra cost you're paying for a decent one. This one it I'd say might have come from the same factory but fell just below standard, was maybe still within tolerances enough to still sell as a beginner instrument, within an approximation of the A-class quality units, so B-class, these would be factored into the overall cost of diminishing returns as a buffer to still make enough to profit, or its made from a less equipped, less established factory who have the machines for the shaping cutting and polishing but smaller businesses less staff, or handmade someone with less experience or just doesn't care enough to bother tuning it properly therefore is cheap as they come, but don't get me wrong, bigger companies will try to seel off their B-stock via a proxy so would allow that company to apply their own brand on a generic model, sell it as their own and the bigger fish still covers enough to make the most sales. Buying materials in bulk is always cheaper the more you buy to a point. And there are a few levels of material quality types, like newly mined or recycled scrap melted down and repurposed. There's that to consider, and how many hands has it went through to get to where it is- why it's so cheap compared to whatever it is you are comparing it to is important what it is you're comparing it to and why that is so expensive in the first place, if you knew the actual cost of materials, labour and marketing the materials are covered so that the next batch will be cheaper for that company it's crazy the difference in how much it really costs compared to the RRP market value.
I bought a Temu hangpan D kurt for €160,- and its not the best tuning still I love to play this instrument and made me want to invest to a good one. This one s not heavy, and I love to take it out in nature. Question for you guys out there, why do hangplayers always play so fast? Not talking about the ghost notes? Thanks for the review. Just put it in the right perspective. Its not a terrible gift, actually very lovely if you are not in an endossement situation or rich. I enjoy your teachings very much!
I don't own a handpan, but your take on cheap instruments is spot on. I work in an entirely different field that's got nothing to do with music or instruments, but the amount of times I have advised customers that buying something for its low price is not going to work out is countless. When you buy a price rather than a product, it is highly likely you will end up disliking whatever you wanted to get into because the product of a low price is frustration rather than enjoyment. Well said.
As someone who purchased a $2000 drum and realized I don't have the time nor the talent to be happy with it, I can attest that I'd rather be out $2-300 than the $2000 hole in my bank account.
Totally fair! $2000 pans definitely hold their value in the current market though. You can resell it for the same price. A $300 pan is more difficult to sell
I was very grateful to find 2 different ones, a d minor 22 inch nitrided steel one last year and a g minor 18 inch stainless steel one with copper coating on the notes this year, on Amazon and temu respectively, but they were not as cheap as you mentioned that one was- the 1st was listed at 700 USD, I had a coupon for a sale and paid about $500 on Affirm so I could make payments, and after paying it off this summer I found another one that was $800 on Temu, but from prior purchases I had a coupon for 40% off and paid $480- very surprisingly, the one from Temu has a much prettier sound, though I enjoy both, the one from Amazon isn't coated with anything, though both have the rubber on the edge and one came with a rope. I definitely recommend saving coupons and checking the more expensive listings frequently (especially around holidays), if you are not able to pay over a thousand nor foresee being able to in the near future, as both websites have been having massive markdowns since so many folks are struggling to pay for things right now, all around the world.
I stumbled across this one totally at random, and I'm kind of blown away that handpans no longer cost $30,000,000 or whatever. Procuring one used to be a whole thing. I put the instrument into the unobtanium category, and pretty well forgot about it for the next 18 years. It looks like I need to do some catching up! Too bad I didn't discover this while I had a budget. I am, of course, completely broke at the moment.
I bought a cheap one from Amazon last month. It plays very nicely with the mallets. But very hard to get a decent tone using hands only. With hands only it sucks. However, good enough for a first purchase to see if I like it enough to to pay a lot of money for a hood one.
I asked my 2 daughters for one for Chrismast a few years ago. . . It finally arrived in mid february, , , I opened it, let it warm up a day then I tried it not much resonnance, steel not rigid enough and, disapointment 2 notes were off tone. . I finally gave it to a friend who did not care the sound, he had his own HandPan ! ! ! !
Before this video i had zero awareness of this instrument being in existence, of course I knew about the steel drum famous for being in Reggae at least, but these are much more ambient, atmospheric tones that, with an already keen interest in what are all the different instruments that exist question ive been searching since i was 10, to this that i can see myself using in a mix with keys and electric guitar, im really interested now in what are all the different tunings that are available! Given the shape and structure of a hand pan, space between points, or of note nodes? Idk what youd call them, just notes? How to get a certain key scale all on there, a scale from the lowest tonic to the highest tonic you'd have to have this made really well for it to sound good. especially to play in a mix of other like minded musicians with various instruments. And now im looking for UA-cam videos with hand pan orchestras,what instruments can a handpan complement well vis versa, how many keys? Can you do triad 135 chords or and other chord formula? Loving this because this is new to me... i love fresh
I have to say that the few seconds that really made the difference clear to me was just that first ascending scale played in the same setting (mic, room, etc.) as your tutorials and other videos. As Rosie got into the top half of the scale and those “incomplete” harmonics started barking out, yeah, wow. I agree that accessibility is a huge issue for the handpan, but I really hope a better answer comes along than what you got (and hopefully returned without incident!) from this factory situation.
Great video. I bought the very same and I get the same sound as you. I thought I would be able to do better sound as I skill up but apparently Im maxing the sound as it is now. The sound from my Amazon handpan is giving a very narrow sound image not deep or long sound. But still its playable and something to start my journey with and as I progress I will definitely purchase a real handpan.
Yeah like I said in the video, I think there comes a point as you improve that in order to grow any further you need a good quality instrument. But if it gets you started, that's amazing!
Temu forces the sellers to keep the prices low and if some new seller joins with lower price they force the other seller to lower or he will be removed ...
Thank goodness I clicked on this video before I bought my first hand pan. I dont know where to start but I don't have a huge budget. I'm grade 5 piano and flute (not played for a few years) so I'm musical I'd say. Would you be able to suggest where I'd start? Love your channel I have subscribed ❤️
I had an experience with a company called Boomslore handpans when I was first getting into the instruments that was horrible. Fake reviews, lying about creating there pans in house to justify a cheaper price of $850. Turns out they were basically drop shipping handpans from Temu. The quality of the one you purchased from amazon is actually very decent for the money spent, so you kinda lucked out. The box the Handpan came in literally said “this is a handplate, beat the meditation” 😂
Haha yeah I think this is the main worry. The downright scams, which is how it all started. Now, factory made pans are getting better. I'm curious to see where it will go
I spent about 350 on one from Amazon and it's great. I ended up getting a second one for around the same price from a different company and they both are great. Fuck spending thousands
I bought a cheap one because that’s all I could afford and didn’t see that changing anytime soon but wanted to learn to play it. I went away for 2 weeks and left if in the case in my Florida home and the ding went out of tune. Sadly I am still paying for the instrument until November. I am not sure if it would’ve been better situation had it been a high end instrument because I believe my mistake was in keeping it in the case with fairly high and humid temps. Before that I was fairly satisfied with the sound for the price paid and as a novice.
I think i get it. Cheap one sounds slightly untuned, flat. Expensive one sound almost reverberates, especially high pitch tones. Was looking to buy cheap one my self. Now, glad found this video instead. Cheap hand pan manufacturers do not post comparison videos, probably bc it would tank their sales. Thank you.
What you're saying about that cheap thing instruments is so right! I really wanted to pkay tin whistle and started with one of these penny whistles. And it did not sound like in the tutorials... it sounded like a cheap toy. I bought a well manufactured brass whistle and the sound was incredible! Makes so much fun to play 😊
My mass-produced brass Bb Generation tin whistle plays better than my handmade $US250 wood/brass/delrin Bb from an established maker. The replacement sent out was equally disappointing. I also had a Low F from another established maker. It sounded lovely, but slides felt like a carrot grater. Yet, my cheap PVC Low F plays beautifully. Go figure! I hope you’re enjoying your whistle playing-it’s a lovely instrument in its own right!
I don’t have a handpan. I do have a few steel tongue drums though. I can’t afford a handpan because of how expensive they are. But it would be nice if I could just feel one and play one. I love doing improvisational music.
So what would you recommend for a very cost effective hand pan for someone who has never played one before? What should I expect to spend on my first one? What brands would you recommend for a beginner? Thank you 🙏🏼 my daughter and I are very interested ❤
a couple ideas (since one of our artists invented an electric singing bowl module) maybe there is a way to wire a contact mic and jack to the bottom of one of these, and play it thru effects pedals and a guitar amp. that would be cool. (maybe you could experiment with a cheapo one, first, to see if it is possible to do it without bungling it up, when you drill the hole for the output jack on the bottom) or, a synthesizer manufacturer, making an electronic one that looks like one of these, but with oscillators and built-in effects, and a sequencer, and arpeggiators..that can run on a few "D" cell batternies...that has a built-in speaker and an audio jack... hmmm....
Yes! Meridian Handpans are the only company I know of that have tried this so far, but there could be more. They have a mic inside, and you can plug in via a jack cable. They also sell a pre-amp to go with it. It sounds pretty great! Then, for electronic handpans, there is Neotone handpan. It's a midi instrument basically, but with touch sensitivity similar to a handpan. I haven't tried it yet but I'm excited to.
9:59 this is an thing with guitars especially electric guitars because of the way they are designed and therefore easily made in china to bigger brand specifications but come generic no labelling and many shops buy these, add the brand logo/waterslide decal, stamped metal parts, gig bags, and all the shop type hanging labels that act as a confirmation of a genuine product (falsely). So something that costs a minimal % to buy in batches and even more so smaller % of the actual brands materials and manufacturing costs/labour costs/marketing costs for the brands various models they sell on a huge scale, or the custom shop versions of a model, or a uniquely made with less limitations so limited to the shape like S-type (stratocaster) or whatever, it sounds to me the same thing is goung on in a away that fits with the instrument type and customer base.
Did I hear a reference to Celestial Sound handpans? Was wondering how you rate them? They are fairly close to me here down under. I currently have a cheap-ish (mass produced, not cheap :-( ) handpan, but considering taking the plunge...
I bought one also...for fun...even very tallented maker couldn't tune it and he really do tried hard. It is question of bad metal processing , gluing, shaping tonefields...tragedy. I use it for barbecue as a cauldron. Than it works well.
Guest - you cooking sausages mate? Me - nah, they roll off. Which burger do you want? C, E, A#? Guest - I’ll take the ding burger. I guess this cooks Hang-burgers
I got the same one knowing the issue but it's been a good experience before investing into a real one and not using it. Now I can save up for a better one.
I wanted one since i saw one like 10-15 years ago. Have the site "Thomann" saved on my browser since then. Those are not cheap and i would love too start with something that dosent cost me alot. I really would like too know aswell.
I got one off Teemu, and it was so bad I had to send it back (and I did with no troubles). I've only had quality pans for the last 13 years. HARMONICS MUST BE TUNED! I don't think I could ever go to a cheapie.
I know it's hard. But saving up your money and getting a better quality handpan is better. The difference in sound is literally night and day. Rav Vast makes excellent reasonably priced drums that are more durable than a typical handpan, but it's also good to get a good quality handpan as it sounds a bit different. I was able to save up to get both and it was well worth it.
FWIW, I bought mine from Acolyte (which is the "budget/beginner" version of a Nirvana handpan) - it's made in the USA, and I paid $1300 for it. I like it but I'm certainly not a connoisseur.
I'm sure there must be more, but I know Mountain Man Handpans and Isthmus Handpans are in the USA. I've heard Mountain Man pans live and they sound fantastic.
Not quite the same topic but I do love delving into the abyss just for the sake of curiosity. For example I have purchased two glass mousepads (combined cost still significantly less than half the price of established manufacturers), but the saved cost isn't even why I love it but because they use a completely different style of finish that is phenomenally more comfortable. Perhaps bigger makers don't use that finish because frosted glass just looks more luxurious? I'll never know. On the other hand just saying, if you ever consider the opposite of this video and get one custom-made, I think getting one made out of Monel (the material used for Martin Retro strings) would be fascinating. Imagine my heartbreak when I decided I will never buy any other strings again; and my local shop decides to stop stocking them. The tragedy.
🛸 this is SUCH a quickly changing market that I can't possibly cover everything in this video, and will likely update as things change and advance. But as some have already noted, it seems I kinda lucked out on this handpan, as it wasn't as bad as i thought it might have been.
I know handpans arent super accessible. Yet. The cheaper market is not a good alternative. I hope for that to change. Somehow.
My Handpan from China for $200 and It's a complete copy of what you have in your video.. I really wanted to try it first. Now, I love this instrument. I recently moved to LA, now I want to find a company to play Hang and chat with..🙃
@@VERT502 … Find Hamsa Handpans … they’re in LA and aside from being a great builder, he does community jam events that are open to anyone interested. I got my 2nd pan from them. Also, Acolyte Instruments (previously Nirvana Handpans) is just a hop, skip and a jump away in Glendale. I bought my first pan from them. They’re both great companies! ☺️🛸🎶🦋
@@VERT502 … Find Hamsa Handpans … they’re in LA and aside from being a great builder, he does community jam events that are open to anyone interested. I got my 2nd pan from them. Also, Acolyte Instruments (previously Nirvana Handpans) is just a hop, skip and a jump away in Glendale. I bought my first pan from them. They’re both great companies! ☺️🛸🎶🦋
@@VERT502 … Find Hamsa Handpans … they’re in LA and aside from being a great builder, he does community jam events that are open to anyone interested. I got my 2nd pan from them. Also, Acolyte Instruments (previously Nirvana Handpans) is just a hop, skip and a jump away in Glendale. I bought my first pan from them. They’re both great companies! ☺️🛸🎶🦋
@@VERT502 … Find Hamsa Handpans … they’re in LA and aside from being a great builder, he does community jam events that are open to anyone interested. I got my 2nd pan from them. Also, Acolyte Instruments (previously Nirvana Handpans) is just a hop, skip and a jump away in Glendale. I bought my first pan from them. They’re both great companies! ☺️🛸🎶🦋
For most of us 'poors' it is a case of saving for a cheap one, or never having one at all. Sad but true.
Exactly, 250 is still a lot. Like you can get GOOD sounding guitars for less...
You're right, 250 is a LOT of money, which is why it's important to make sure you're getting something actually playable
@@ivymoon5084 Yes the low end of the guitar market has changed a lot and now you can get some amazing guitars for very little, as they gain experience with handpans let us hope they go the same way.
Yes. Music, joy, and creativity aren’t for us, inherently. They just want to extract what they can from us and discard the husks.
Yup…pretty much
My friend was diagnosed with breast cancer and going through chemo. She bought a $45 handpan to play for her sense of peace. She loved it so much that she recommended it for me. I have the same one for my son. Music is often a great meditative gift to the sick or the disabled.
Together with "Letting Go" by shouting in a Forest...and Splashing colours on a Canvas...Output from the craziness of too much noise. Bless you greatly.
Shhhhhhh. The forests are trying to regenerate. Angry vibes are Forever. No yelling please.
No one gets offended by the heart.
i have an amazon handpan for 200 dollars, i've had it for 6 months and it held its tune surprisingly well and i'm not having any issues at all, though its range of sounds is limited, it sounds very good, sure not majestic but most definitely gets the job done, i suggest it if you're learning
I bought my first handpan off Temu, returned it within a week as it was out of tune. Bought my second off Amazon, returned that one in a week as it was out of tune as well. My third handpan was bought from Yataopan based out of Germany (I'm in Canada) which is Malte Marten and friends company and it was beautiful and for the most part sounded amazing but the low note was out of tune i was going to give up as i thought id never get one that was in tune and this one had cost me $2k so my nerves were shot BUT to my delight and amazement Yatao sent me a replacement it took 5 months as. I had to wait for the next batch to be manufactured but I'm happy to say that it's in tune and sounds beautiful, yay!
I love Malte. I play his music for my toddler while she sleeps. Good luck😊
I suspect Amazon buys from Temu and just marks it up to make a profit... I personally wouldn't buy anything from Temu, and if Amazon is advertising things I've seen on Temu, I would seriously reconsider the purchase, as I know most things sold on Temu are of low quality and unless it's also cheap on Amazon, not worth it.
At that price flippin right! You should have had em come to your door, tune and service it and then leave before lunch.
As a service for faulty items.
And throw in a little bit of how to tune it up yourself from a pro in your living room. That'd be cool 😎 👍
2k 😳⁉️
I heard this instrument today for the first time. As beautiful as it may sound. I will have to pass on learning it.❤
As a multi instrumentalist, that Amazon handpan sounds *PERFECT* for my purposes. I don’t aspire to virtuosity on any of my instruments, I just need access to the sounds…so it doesn’t need to be of the exacting standards of a professional who specializes in that instrument. It just needs to be playable and sound good enough in a mix with other instruments.
nah, its pretty out of tune.. you'd be better off just getting MIDI handpan sound package and use the synth or your laptop if you just need the sounds.. but this thing is a waste of money and space and metal
you haven't heard of a handpan plugin or preset?
@@Mi_Mono What a stupid question. Of course I have. I like to play real instruments.
I hear you. I bought one off Temu and so far 6 months later it sounds exactly like the tuning of Malte Martin's and Amy's lessons. So for a beginner who's getting her feet wet, I think it's GREAT for only $150 (plus they sent me a 2nd one for free because the first one they sent didn't have mallets (which I don't even use), and it also was perfectly tuned, and they both stil are. If I end up able to play and stick with it, I definitely will spend the $$ for a Yatao. So I'm totally happy there are options for people like me. The $2k and up prices makes it prohibitive for most people to even think about getting into learning how to play a handpan and they pass up the opportunity, so that's something no one talks about.
I think the more power to you if you can get a handpan correctly tuned. If it gets out of tun in a year, buy another one for $150 until you can afford one for $2k and up.
RIGHT. I also think that it's absolutely worth to give the cheaper ones a try. And hey, about what for a big price difference we are talking about??? The Meridian are starting with a 7times higher and the German ones with even actually 12times ... !!! 😮 I believe that the real worth/truth is always in the middle. But for Beginners this one from Amazon sounds like a great opportunity 🎉 and sure you get so much more for your money!❤
250 pounds is about 2300 Chinese Yuan. That is a months rent in China for an apartment in a small city. It really put things into perspective. I am a music teacher at a Beijing International school. You would be surprised at the high quality of some of these instruments when you buy at the right places locally in China. My addiction of buying and teaching new instruments is a blessing and a curse, but oh it is fun. Next up is the handpan.
I fully agree with you. Yes, I do buy crap, but it's part of the learning curve. I found excellent products, for which the oldest in my possession is a Huawei mobile Modem, and the most recent a planer, which are of superlative quality compared to equivalent products from elsewhere. The Chinese are excellent craftsmen and have my full respect.
Some could be better, but eventually they are taking shortcuts we all take ...😄
Laughing because she kept saying it was "250 pounds" but it looked like it was pretty lightweight 😂
Not being a Brit I forgot that that's a unit of money and another way of measuring the device!
Love seeing you playing with this together!
Thank you so much for doing this video and not shaming those of us who cannot commit more money. I'm happy with my Amazon purchase, play it only occasionally, but it brings me much joy.
Also, your videos keep me interested and motivated to play. I'm so grateful for you!
"...it brings me much joy." That alone is worth every penny.
Ja vielen Dank für Ihren Respekt denen gegenüber, die nicht so viel Geld für ein teures Instrument haben. Selbst 250 sind schon einen Monat Lebensmittel kaufen.
I got a cheap d minor kurd....granted it doesn't sound as full as the pricer ones but I figured, as a beginner, this will be fine till I can save up for the expensive ones. I love watching your tutorials just trying to get my hands to do what yours do...lol. I'm gonna be 59 this year and I love the sounds to calm my ptsd anxiety.
Glad you're enjoying the handpan and the tutorials 😊 it's amazing to hear that it's calming your anxiety!
@AmyNaylorMusic sound therapy is awesome. Plus when you are grounding yourself outside. I also, thanks to my husband, am getting a high spirits bass E earth tone flute to learn as well. Wish I would of started years ago! No one around here teaches handpan or the native indian flute. I live in Northern Iowa, USA
I also bought cheap version kurd and I am glad to hear it in reality. ❤
First a bought a cheap handpan. About 400 euro's. It did sound not to bad, but I had no experience with handpans. A few weeks later I dropped it on the ding. I asked local builders if they could tune it. They all refused, at first I was a bit disappointed but later on I realized that they could not take the risk. I made a stick with a round point and after three days I got it in tune again. But later on I heard an expensive handpan. The sound was so much better. I did some research. Checked what brand handpan you and other handpanplayers used on youtube. I saved up some money and bought an expensive Elaia handpan (Lotus D kurd 19). The best decision I ever made. I will never sell this handpan. I am not a good handpan player but a good handpan makes a big difference. I follow the course on masterthehandpan from David and Malte and I just enjoy the handpan. And I dont care that I never be a great player but I love the instrument. Hope you have a great day. Greetings, Henne.
@@Hennew noche. Great desición. If you able to Pay. 😁.maje the difference but the most important Is thechnique. But you buy a treasure. Is not only be a player pro. The sound generarte peace AND its food for the soul. Love from argentina. 😍
What would be your recommendation for a handpan under $1000?
@@ambitiouswelifeandcareerco7100 depende del país. En argentina en 800 hay hand de primera línea . Cómo así de 400. O de e bay baratos. Acá hay excelentes fabricantes felmlismo nivel y a precios más accesibles.
@@ambitiouswelifeandcareerco7100 I would not recommend a hanpand under 1000 euro. First things first. Find a local builder. That is the best thing I can recommend. A good handpan starts around 1500 euro's. But that is my opinion. I saved and bought a handpan for life. I will not sell it even if they want to pay more then I payed for it. You wont regret it. I'm a student not a professional handpan player. Maybe you should ask Amy or Rosie. Have a great day. Friendly greetings, Henne.
The first time I seen a handpan, I'M TOTALLY HOOKED.
I'll have you know my chicken introduced me. A man began to play, at a medieval event. My chicken wandered off and stood listening to him, occasionally trilling. She had a favorite! I had to go check it out. Mandolins, soft singing, guitar, harp, flute she likes all of them but not like she goes for this music. Very relaxing, and uplifting. If that is a cheap one, I can see why fewer people have them. But like buying a drum, or violin, the construction matters in the final sound. ❤️ That was a nice little jam! Thank you for sharing!
I absolutely adore your chicken best friend lead you to lovely lively musical good times😆❤❤
Thank you for sharing this story🥰 *squee* 🎶
Great video 😊 and I must say, even with the obvious quality difference, when you two started jamming it still sounded epic - I was beaming! 😊😊
This is a really great video. Thanks for sharing and putting in just the right amount of work producing it. It was clear that the higher half of the scale on the factory made handpan was not in tune harmonically, but you two are good players and I found myself feeling good when you found your groove together, even considering the relatively less awesome quality of the factory handpan.
Looking for a hand pan and loved this video. You are the first person that came up and I love how you’ve shown that you really do get what you pay for! I will have one of these for the Holidays!
What a beautiful gift for your friend!❤ I definitely could've listened to you ladies play for hours! Thank You for sharing. Love & Blessings! 💫💞
You guys are very good. Glad I got to see this. I got on my electric drums and played along. Bless you
Base note sounds good but lucked out on some of those higher notes. You are spot on about the risks involved. I heard one on Temu I actually liked (many others I didn’t). I wasn’t going to purchase without first hearing the scale and the resonance. I have sensitive ears and can hear the harmonics slightly out but not enough that it hurts my ears like the one you have in your video. In fact the 10 note d minor 432 hand-pan I have is awesome because i I can genuinely connect to it with joy and I’ve been inspired to play every it day. I’ve discovered this is my instrument! So while is morally questionable it’s facilitated being a very healing instrument for me in a difficult time and in the bigger picture its leading to me now wanting to save up and invest in a locally made one here in Australia. Plus it is leading to me eventually creating and sharing healing sounds in the with friends, family and the wider community.
I had one of these for Christmas (yesterday) and love it already. I'm a professional multi instrumental musician and I expect there are much better instruments but in my experience, the most expensive are not always the best. Mine cost £165 on amazon. Exactly the same as this.
Okay, it DOES sound a bit like a can lid being tapped BUT . . . it also has some charm, much like a scratchy old vinyl record vs a contempory digital recording. I think these have their place as a creative instrument (as you mentioned). Last yr I bought a new $40 ukulele just to see if I liked it. It wasn't a toy, just a 'B Stock' and on sale. Turned out I LOVE playing the uke & I now have 7 (a few expensive). I will gift the original one to one of my friends to give the uke a try but I absolutely could sell it if I wanted. BTW, my fav uke while traveling or playing outside in the heat & humidity is my $40 soprano carbon fiber (Enya) uke. A hot car or a pop up rain shower won't bother it at all & it plays v easily. The sound is just fine for a casual audience of family or friends. Neither of the two ukuleles is for professional performance of course.
"Terrible birthday present", "you are welcome"... This made my day! :D Such a nice and informative video! Thanks a lot for your work! ;)
there's worlds of people that you would never know exist, if not for finding a video on youtube....an amazing world we live in
Nice comparison, and damn that was a jam after 9:00 !!
If you have never played - I would never pay $2,000 as my first one.
11:18 I have to admit the much less expensive unit on the left sounds pretty damn amazing when compared to the one on the right.
Fun video! I love when you and Rosie get together. I bought a Lomuty 10 note D kurd from Amazon for $430 US. I figured there was no risk since I could return it. I'm really happy with it! Then again, it's my first handpan so I have nothing to compare it to. If I get good enough, I'll get a nicer one someday, but this one is perfect for learning on. I just looked and they're much cheaper now than when I bought mine a year ago (of course...lol).
This was great Amy. You and Rosie touched on exactly all the issues that these pan tend to have. One quick thing. The Hamsa pans actually are rebranded but they are tuned to bring them up to the Hamsa standard. And for what they are they are a super solid instrument, and I’d recommend them over an unknown. 🤗 You two are my hero’s. 😁
I'm so torn at the pros and cons of these "cheap" instruments, but I think the biggest pro is making them accessible for everyone to play and try to get a little joy out of music. Not everyone can afford to drop $1000 just to see if they enjoy something.
You must remember handpans originally weren't made with expensive materials, they came from very inexpensive easy to find/resource materials.. handpans origins are not from prominent areas of the world...
I'm not an expert, but I bought this hand pan a while back ago just on a whim, and it is a beautiful sounding instrument. Most of my friends loved tapping on it too. - Specktoscope 🔬
great from the heart video, The difference sound for sound is remarkable, some very chewy notes on teh amazon pan....
Still a pleasure to listen to you both play. (I don't blame you at all for sending it back lol)
The hand pan is new to me, I'm actually a blacksmith looking for unusual instruments to have a go at making and the handpan is literally 15minutes new to me both in terms of what I know and what Ive seen and what Ive heard. It does look like a fun project to put some time into and see what sort of appalling noise I can make...maybe I'll share my exploits
thanks for sharing yours.
Good for you..... Please do
@@LindaHutchings if I can get something reasonable to make one with I will definitely share what happens ... so far I am still looking
I bought a cheap Amazon hand pan. Sounds ok. But I am learning now so when I get better and experienced then off to a better one
I bought one off Amazon, mid price, and it sounds great.
Remember! If you buy a nice instrument and don't end up sticking with handpan, you'll be able to resell. Whereas an instrument of this quality will never be able to be sold again.
Truuueee
@@carloscenteno8524 … I hear ya!! And glad you were able to sell that one … and honestly, if you’re not recording or performing gigs, then it’s not as imperative that the pan be of the highest quality …. But Amy and I do both, therefore I think we tend to look at it from that perspective .. so your points are valid … 🤗🛸🎶🦋
@@thathandpanlady4510 sure. Im only want to have a d kurd 7 from a good Luthier or shop. Nothing More. I hope sometime play on one. Because the sustain Is awesome. But for the moment i practise technique AND compositor.
@@thathandpanlady4510 im a djembe percusionista 8 years. I discover this instrumental AND you about a year. AND i hace once used 6 months ago. But i note the dofference. On sound. But its ok i have one . Here in argentina the financiala situación Is hard. 😅
@@thathandpanlady4510 where can find you to send video.
Thanks for this video ❤ it is very good to hear the little differences that are not that little
I'm curious as to what materials a quality handpan is made of, that would cost £250 .
In my opinion when you two start playing together and two handpans, the cheaper one sounds nicer and brighter. The tough part about buying these online is you can't test it out beforehand and depending on who worked on it, it can sound terrible and the sound quality varies greatly
I saved heavily for my first hand pan , paid around 2k ish for it, was well worth saving for, your tutorials have helped me to understand playing it and i think im doing ok with it so far, posted a video on yt of me playing it and got great feedback , im glad i didnt go cheap first , a good quality hand pan is well worth saving for, you can just feel the difference in the way plays
Love your channel too , has helped me immensely
That first jam is so good makes me want one.
I don't really unterstand the thought of making it a present if you already know it's a bad pan and you will give it back. Can you elaborate on that?
She said early in the video that it was a prank and not her actual present
Thank you so much for making this video. I was just about to buy the Amazon handpan, but I will not buy one until I save up a little more and come see you first.
I was just looking at Hand pans on Amazon and found you. Thanks so very much! I think I'll wait until I find the sound I can afford.
You two sound phenominal!!phenomenal!!! Where can I listen to your music???
open.spotify.com/artist/03nAgxh9wmc0NjL8ShCz3X?si=SjfJ5GeZT2y4CxuMkUteLw
Thank you! 🙏🌱
Thank you for making this content!!
My first handpan was $400 from asteman and the quality was not bad - lovely in fact ( played it for farm animals on my channel ) .
Now I have some pans in the $1299-1400 range from makers like BeatRise & Acolyte can tell the difference in quality and sound !
My biggest qualm with the handpan when I play it for others is their excitement of the sound followed by the shock and frustration sometimes horror of the cost & inaccessibility of the instrument.
Followed by the projection of the dismay of the cost and inaccessibility onto me 😅.
But I also feel and empathize with the pain & dismay, because pans can be $1200 - 3000+ and that’s A LOT to me . Payment plans and all. Especially when you’re not being sponsored or gifted them by the pan makers.
I was chocked too when I just looked !!! Honestly and I come from playing Baritone saxophone that the starting point is in the few ks for the cheapest crap, that also constantly get out of wack and no one can fix cause the metals are just too cheap😂 it looks like such a simple piece of metal you really wonder why is it so expensive when a full electric Piano of decent quality now these days is cheaper than that 😅😅😅 this year I got a Yamaha acoustic guitar, it sounds beautiful!!! even for an awful player like me 😂 and it was under 300$ I was so amazed 😂❤ Poor people should play guitar it's much more affordable 😂❤
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I bought three already and gave one away and I kind of regret it and I want to replace it, but I have no talent but these are nice to give away to the right people.
10:15 that sounds like a good way to support a builders legacy, apprenticeships, they arent around as much nor available as much in a lot of different sectors in craftsmanships and trades. So to suport businesses who are bringing new blood into keep it alive, futire-proofing the craft, i like that 👌 thats cool 😎
I deeply appreciate the thought and effort behind the video, but as an enthusist for the instrument, perhaps you should have provided a bit more wisdom and words of encouragement for beginners, rather than saying in so many words, "if you cant afford an expensive one, save up or dont bother". Its like telling someone who wants to learn violin that if they cant afford a Stradivarius, then dont bother, or in this case, if you cant afford an original PanArt Hang made by Felix Rogner and Sabrina Schärer, then dont bother.
It makes it feel like youre more of an advocate in bumping sales for the companies/ names you partner with, rather than sharing the love and interest of the instrument. Not to mention it really deters someone from even trying.
In no way am I advocating that someone should support the cheap manufacturers rather than the more well known names that make them, however like any instrument, handpans can be tuned. Sure its a hassle and perhaps a little bit of an unnecessary expense, but if a beginner wants to go for a more affordable option to begin, then by all means, they should. Especially if testing the waters. Dropping the money on an expensive instrument as a beginner is not only daunting, but could potentially have a finacial impact, especially since certain instruments such as the handpan, are fairly niche outside of Europe. Give constructive advice and use your voice as encouragment for beginners to test the waters, and as they progress save for a better, more robust instrument.
If they decide they no longer want to continue, well then they tried, they arent out the more staggering cost, and they can put that savings towards something else.
Other than that, im glad you at least dabbled into the topic. The handpan is an amazing sounding intrument and I would love to see its popularity take off futher.
That’s because she IS simply trying to boost sales of her partners she’s affiliated with. It’s blatantly obvious as you pointed out. All she said was “don’t buy this, it’s $250 and if you can save for a $250 one, why not just save for a $1,750 or $2,000 one? No big deal!” Pretty absurd sadly.
Honestly I didn’t notice a HUGE difference between the two, at least not 6-7 times better as it ought to be for the cost difference.
Can you give me link buy this handpan ? Its Sound is great
May ask what the cost of the pan your comparing it to? Because if you’ve got a £250 pan up against a £3500 pan then there is no comparison. Thanks though I may dive in.. 👍
Around £1500
Idk where you buy copper or bronze or AB (aluminium/bronze) in sheet form, I know the price of the more sought after metals are always fluctuating you can ask you local scrap metal merchants/dump for metal and ask or just look it up online.
But I know a one piece sheet of copper that would probably need to be 700mm x 700mm square in order to get the depth and shape including indentations concave/convex, maybe more but anyone making this in bulk, cost of diminishing returns comes to mind- buy full size sheets that minimise waste cuts and maximise scrap metal value off the waste cuts to then go towards either money in the kitty for more sheets knowing you can cover an extra 100 or so units on waste cut money back alone. So if you can figure out how to manufacture these or hand build, I'm assuming these are pressed into a sheet metal die, shaped, cut and less time spent in fine tunig- the polishing of the instruments tuning and literally polishing for also tone and aesthetics that's probably why it's rough around the edges, and goes out of harmony as you go up the scale, not as well balanced as something that has come from a factory that has the same rough process of shaping, as well as the finer process of tuning stability and harmonic intonation and polishing by hand to further fine tune harmonic resonance/sympathetic vibration by adjusting the thickness of the percussive areas which would be a last touch hand done process, that's the extra cost you're paying for a decent one.
This one it I'd say might have come from the same factory but fell just below standard, was maybe still within tolerances enough to still sell as a beginner instrument, within an approximation of the A-class quality units, so B-class, these would be factored into the overall cost of diminishing returns as a buffer to still make enough to profit, or its made from a less equipped, less established factory who have the machines for the shaping cutting and polishing but smaller businesses less staff, or handmade someone with less experience or just doesn't care enough to bother tuning it properly therefore is cheap as they come, but don't get me wrong, bigger companies will try to seel off their B-stock via a proxy so would allow that company to apply their own brand on a generic model, sell it as their own and the bigger fish still covers enough to make the most sales.
Buying materials in bulk is always cheaper the more you buy to a point.
And there are a few levels of material quality types, like newly mined or recycled scrap melted down and repurposed.
There's that to consider, and how many hands has it went through to get to where it is- why it's so cheap compared to whatever it is you are comparing it to is important what it is you're comparing it to and why that is so expensive in the first place, if you knew the actual cost of materials, labour and marketing the materials are covered so that the next batch will be cheaper for that company it's crazy the difference in how much it really costs compared to the RRP market value.
Just bought a 169$ handpan in G Minor of Amazon. Hope it’s good
I bought a Temu hangpan D kurt for €160,- and its not the best tuning still I love to play this instrument and made me want to invest to a good one. This one s not heavy, and I love to take it out in nature. Question for you guys out there, why do hangplayers always play so fast? Not talking about the ghost notes? Thanks for the review. Just put it in the right perspective. Its not a terrible gift, actually very lovely if you are not in an endossement situation or rich. I enjoy your teachings very much!
Wow I loved the playing at 08:30 really popped off
Make it into a short, 08:30 to 08:50 bet it would do really well!
I don't own a handpan, but your take on cheap instruments is spot on. I work in an entirely different field that's got nothing to do with music or instruments, but the amount of times I have advised customers that buying something for its low price is not going to work out is countless. When you buy a price rather than a product, it is highly likely you will end up disliking whatever you wanted to get into because the product of a low price is frustration rather than enjoyment. Well said.
Thank you for this video, i was really considering buying one off amazon
As someone who purchased a $2000 drum and realized I don't have the time nor the talent to be happy with it, I can attest that I'd rather be out $2-300 than the $2000 hole in my bank account.
Totally fair! $2000 pans definitely hold their value in the current market though. You can resell it for the same price. A $300 pan is more difficult to sell
I was very grateful to find 2 different ones, a d minor 22 inch nitrided steel one last year and a g minor 18 inch stainless steel one with copper coating on the notes this year, on Amazon and temu respectively, but they were not as cheap as you mentioned that one was- the 1st was listed at 700 USD, I had a coupon for a sale and paid about $500 on Affirm so I could make payments, and after paying it off this summer I found another one that was $800 on Temu, but from prior purchases I had a coupon for 40% off and paid $480- very surprisingly, the one from Temu has a much prettier sound, though I enjoy both, the one from Amazon isn't coated with anything, though both have the rubber on the edge and one came with a rope. I definitely recommend saving coupons and checking the more expensive listings frequently (especially around holidays), if you are not able to pay over a thousand nor foresee being able to in the near future, as both websites have been having massive markdowns since so many folks are struggling to pay for things right now, all around the world.
I stumbled across this one totally at random, and I'm kind of blown away that handpans no longer cost $30,000,000 or whatever. Procuring one used to be a whole thing. I put the instrument into the unobtanium category, and pretty well forgot about it for the next 18 years. It looks like I need to do some catching up! Too bad I didn't discover this while I had a budget. I am, of course, completely broke at the moment.
I've taught music for years. So long as it holds its tune, you can perform with it
I bought a cheap one from Amazon last month. It plays very nicely with the mallets. But very hard to get a decent tone using hands only. With hands only it sucks. However, good enough for a first purchase to see if I like it enough to to pay a lot of money for a hood one.
Such a beautiful couple. Really inspiring. ❤❤❤
I asked my 2 daughters for one for Chrismast a few years ago. . . It finally arrived in mid february, , , I opened it, let it warm up a day then I tried it not much resonnance, steel not rigid enough and, disapointment 2 notes were off tone. . I finally gave it to a friend who did not care the sound, he had his own HandPan ! ! ! !
Very well done video, Amy, on an important topic in handpan world.
I loved the "I send it back" at the end😅
Before this video i had zero awareness of this instrument being in existence, of course I knew about the steel drum famous for being in Reggae at least, but these are much more ambient, atmospheric tones that, with an already keen interest in what are all the different instruments that exist question ive been searching since i was 10, to this that i can see myself using in a mix with keys and electric guitar, im really interested now in what are all the different tunings that are available! Given the shape and structure of a hand pan, space between points, or of note nodes? Idk what youd call them, just notes?
How to get a certain key scale all on there, a scale from the lowest tonic to the highest tonic you'd have to have this made really well for it to sound good. especially to play in a mix of other like minded musicians with various instruments. And now im looking for UA-cam videos with hand pan orchestras,what instruments can a handpan complement well vis versa, how many keys? Can you do triad 135 chords or and other chord formula? Loving this because this is new to me... i love fresh
I have to say that the few seconds that really made the difference clear to me was just that first ascending scale played in the same setting (mic, room, etc.) as your tutorials and other videos. As Rosie got into the top half of the scale and those “incomplete” harmonics started barking out, yeah, wow. I agree that accessibility is a huge issue for the handpan, but I really hope a better answer comes along than what you got (and hopefully returned without incident!) from this factory situation.
Great video. I bought the very same and I get the same sound as you. I thought I would be able to do better sound as I skill up but apparently Im maxing the sound as it is now. The sound from my Amazon handpan is giving a very narrow sound image not deep or long sound. But still its playable and something to start my journey with and as I progress I will definitely purchase a real handpan.
Yeah like I said in the video, I think there comes a point as you improve that in order to grow any further you need a good quality instrument. But if it gets you started, that's amazing!
May I ask how long have you been playing handpan? I am surprised you have "maxed the sound" if you just picked up the instrument recently.
is that a takamine in the left corner ?!
Thanks for all these explanations !
Temu forces the sellers to keep the prices low and if some new seller joins with lower price they force the other seller to lower or he will be removed ...
In my experience, depends on the person who is playing just as much. Talent and emotion often overshadow the quality of any instrument being played 🎉
Thank goodness I clicked on this video before I bought my first hand pan. I dont know where to start but I don't have a huge budget. I'm grade 5 piano and flute (not played for a few years) so I'm musical I'd say.
Would you be able to suggest where I'd start?
Love your channel I have subscribed ❤️
I had an experience with a company called Boomslore handpans when I was first getting into the instruments that was horrible. Fake reviews, lying about creating there pans in house to justify a cheaper price of $850. Turns out they were basically drop shipping handpans from Temu. The quality of the one you purchased from amazon is actually very decent for the money spent, so you kinda lucked out.
The box the Handpan came in literally said “this is a handplate, beat the meditation” 😂
Haha yeah I think this is the main worry. The downright scams, which is how it all started. Now, factory made pans are getting better. I'm curious to see where it will go
great video, can't find the link where did you buy it please?
I spent about 350 on one from Amazon and it's great. I ended up getting a second one for around the same price from a different company and they both are great. Fuck spending thousands
Amy,,,, where can I get the T-shirt you are wearing with the bear playing the drum ? Thanks, and brilliant video
I bought a cheap one because that’s all I could afford and didn’t see that changing anytime soon but wanted to learn to play it. I went away for 2 weeks and left if in the case in my Florida home and the ding went out of tune. Sadly I am still paying for the instrument until November. I am not sure if it would’ve been better situation had it been a high end instrument because I believe my mistake was in keeping it in the case with fairly high and humid temps. Before that I was fairly satisfied with the sound for the price paid and as a novice.
Thanks Amy! Just the advice I needed 🧡
I think i get it. Cheap one sounds slightly untuned, flat. Expensive one sound almost reverberates, especially high pitch tones. Was looking to buy cheap one my self. Now, glad found this video instead. Cheap hand pan manufacturers do not post comparison videos, probably bc it would tank their sales. Thank you.
What you're saying about that cheap thing instruments is so right! I really wanted to pkay tin whistle and started with one of these penny whistles. And it did not sound like in the tutorials... it sounded like a cheap toy. I bought a well manufactured brass whistle and the sound was incredible! Makes so much fun to play 😊
Yessss! Such a big difference between the expensive and cheap whistles too
My mass-produced brass Bb Generation tin whistle plays better than my handmade $US250 wood/brass/delrin Bb from an established maker. The replacement sent out was equally disappointing. I also had a Low F from another established maker. It sounded lovely, but slides felt like a carrot grater. Yet, my cheap PVC Low F plays beautifully. Go figure!
I hope you’re enjoying your whistle playing-it’s a lovely instrument in its own right!
I don’t have a handpan. I do have a few steel tongue drums though. I can’t afford a handpan because of how expensive they are. But it would be nice if I could just feel one and play one. I love doing improvisational music.
After that i give it maybe also a try...beside my guitars and keys maybe funny sometimes. >Good luck and kind regards from germany
So what would you recommend for a very cost effective hand pan for someone who has never played one before? What should I expect to spend on my first one? What brands would you recommend for a beginner? Thank you 🙏🏼 my daughter and I are very interested ❤
a couple ideas (since one of our artists invented an electric singing bowl module) maybe there is a way to wire a contact mic and jack to the bottom of one of these, and play it thru effects pedals and a guitar amp. that would be cool. (maybe you could experiment with a cheapo one, first, to see if it is possible to do it without bungling it up, when you drill the hole for the output jack on the bottom) or, a synthesizer manufacturer, making an electronic one that looks like one of these, but with oscillators and built-in effects, and a sequencer, and arpeggiators..that can run on a few "D" cell batternies...that has a built-in speaker and an audio jack... hmmm....
Yes! Meridian Handpans are the only company I know of that have tried this so far, but there could be more. They have a mic inside, and you can plug in via a jack cable. They also sell a pre-amp to go with it. It sounds pretty great!
Then, for electronic handpans, there is Neotone handpan. It's a midi instrument basically, but with touch sensitivity similar to a handpan. I haven't tried it yet but I'm excited to.
@@AmyNaylorMusic neato!😎😎
9:59 this is an thing with guitars especially electric guitars because of the way they are designed and therefore easily made in china to bigger brand specifications but come generic no labelling and many shops buy these, add the brand logo/waterslide decal, stamped metal parts, gig bags, and all the shop type hanging labels that act as a confirmation of a genuine product (falsely).
So something that costs a minimal % to buy in batches and even more so smaller % of the actual brands materials and manufacturing costs/labour costs/marketing costs for the brands various models they sell on a huge scale, or the custom shop versions of a model, or a uniquely made with less limitations so limited to the shape like S-type (stratocaster) or whatever, it sounds to me the same thing is goung on in a away that fits with the instrument type and customer base.
Did I hear a reference to Celestial Sound handpans? Was wondering how you rate them? They are fairly close to me here down under.
I currently have a cheap-ish (mass produced, not cheap :-( ) handpan, but considering taking the plunge...
Since this video I got my first celestial sound handpan and I LOVE it! Highly recommend. Especially if you are nearby
I bought one also...for fun...even very tallented maker couldn't tune it and he really do tried hard. It is question of bad metal processing , gluing, shaping tonefields...tragedy. I use it for barbecue as a cauldron. Than it works well.
Yeppp
Guest - you cooking sausages mate?
Me - nah, they roll off. Which burger do you want? C, E, A#?
Guest - I’ll take the ding burger.
I guess this cooks Hang-burgers
I got the same one knowing the issue but it's been a good experience before investing into a real one and not using it. Now I can save up for a better one.
Any tips on handpan makers in the EU?
rarely has the quality of an instrument stopped me from making sounds I can use
What would be your recommendation for a handpan under $1000, i have a cheap one now that i am learning on but i definitely can hear a big difference.
I wanted one since i saw one like 10-15 years ago. Have the site "Thomann" saved on my browser since then. Those are not cheap and i would love too start with something that dosent cost me alot. I really would like too know aswell.
I got one off Teemu, and it was so bad I had to send it back (and I did with no troubles). I've only had quality pans for the last 13 years. HARMONICS MUST BE TUNED! I don't think I could ever go to a cheapie.
Have you had any experience with the Handpans from Vietnam?
I’m curious what is your opinion of these?
I know it's hard. But saving up your money and getting a better quality handpan is better. The difference in sound is literally night and day. Rav Vast makes excellent reasonably priced drums that are more durable than a typical handpan, but it's also good to get a good quality handpan as it sounds a bit different. I was able to save up to get both and it was well worth it.
Thank you…… I want a handpan, so I am very grateful for the information.
Very informative and fun video, thanks so much for sharing this!
Hey Amy, is there any quality Handpan makers in the USA that you know of?
FWIW, I bought mine from Acolyte (which is the "budget/beginner" version of a Nirvana handpan) - it's made in the USA, and I paid $1300 for it. I like it but I'm certainly not a connoisseur.
I'm sure there must be more, but I know Mountain Man Handpans and Isthmus Handpans are in the USA. I've heard Mountain Man pans live and they sound fantastic.
@@oheysk Thank you 🙏🏻
There are many quality handpan makers in the USA
I have handpans made by Axiom and PanSmith; both US builders and fantastic quality.
Does the almost 10 times the price, make it 10 times better?
Not quite the same topic but I do love delving into the abyss just for the sake of curiosity. For example I have purchased two glass mousepads (combined cost still significantly less than half the price of established manufacturers), but the saved cost isn't even why I love it but because they use a completely different style of finish that is phenomenally more comfortable. Perhaps bigger makers don't use that finish because frosted glass just looks more luxurious? I'll never know.
On the other hand just saying, if you ever consider the opposite of this video and get one custom-made, I think getting one made out of Monel (the material used for Martin Retro strings) would be fascinating.
Imagine my heartbreak when I decided I will never buy any other strings again; and my local shop decides to stop stocking them.
The tragedy.