The Shangani Patrol - the British 'Custer's Last Stand' (1893)

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    The Shangani Patrol was part of the Ndebele War of 1893-94 which ended in the overthrow of the kingdom of Lobengula, King of the Ndebele. In this video historian David Snape talks us through the full story of this legendary engagement which is often compared to Custer's Last Stand.
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  • @morganhaselau7410
    @morganhaselau7410 Рік тому +96

    With horses in a circle, they sang "God Save the Queen"
    And thirty- four young troopers would never more be seen
    They killed ten times their number; they're on the honour roll
    So take your hat off slowly to the Shangani Patrol
    Brave men on both sides. Thanks for telling their story.

    • @golden.lights.twinkle2329
      @golden.lights.twinkle2329 Рік тому +8

      They should have sung "God save us, because the Queen won't".

    • @DarkWingZ_65
      @DarkWingZ_65 Рік тому +5

      John Edmond...:-)

    • @madhusudankannan4700
      @madhusudankannan4700 Рік тому

      Whites praising Whites is not uncommon since they were the rulers. What about thousands of Nativre soldiers who would never be seen again. ANY History especially of battles needs to be balanced. Was any research done in the captured kraals to know the cost of the sufferings in those kraals. Certainly NOT. Cattle and lesser humans don't need yo be researched. Truth is bitter. So please swallow it.

    • @southernafricanboy4148
      @southernafricanboy4148 Рік тому

      ​@@golden.lights.twinkle2329 😂🤣🤣

  • @TheBushmanmike
    @TheBushmanmike Рік тому +80

    Wilson and his men amounted to 37 in all, three escaped, Fred Burnham (US), "Pearl" Pete Ingram (US, Burnham's Brother in Law) Both very experienced Frontier Scouts both in Africa and America, and an Australian. The patrol was by this time totally surrounded. The only reason they were given permission to leave the group was because of their experience as scouts and proven ability to succeed against the odds, this was a suicide mission to inform Forbes of the dire position of Maj Wilson and CO. Their ability to backtrack and avoid Matabele pursuers and avoid the several ambushes, proved this. Crossing the heavily flooded fast flowing Shangani River was the final act of scouting ability and horsemanship. Wilson ordered them to try and get to Forbes against the odds, they volunteered to go on this mission. Any suggestion otherwise shows ignorance of the facts and little proper research. There are several accounts of this story written by eye witnesses and not one that I have researched had anything but praise for Burnham, Ingram and other scouts who guided the columns in three major battles with the Matabele Impis in 1893 and later many other battles in 1896 all around Bulawayo. The Mbizo Impi, led by Lobengula's General Mjaane, was Lobengulas "Home Guard" as it were, and the most experienced and able of all his Impis. It was Mjaane, among many others, who bore witness at the inquiry held by Rhodes with regard to what happened, and from whom the immortal words "Men of Men" emanated, he refused to take part in the Matabele Rebellion of 1896 and stayed loyal to Rhodes at this time, honouring promises made to Rhodes to keep the peace after 1893. MW

    • @michellebrown4903
      @michellebrown4903 Рік тому +4

      Wilbur Smith fan here . He wrote quite a lot of novels about Rhodesia. I didn't realize he got the name of one of his books from " Mbjaane" , a character from at least three of his books .

    • @TheBushmanmike
      @TheBushmanmike Рік тому +2

      @@michellebrown4903 Smith worked for the receiver of revenue in Rhodesia, he like Jonny Clegg (from Bulawayo) would never admit this in public, I wonder why? They learned so much there, mainly from the indigenous tribes including multilingual English/Shona/Ndebele speaking Rhodies who are also indigenous. :0)))

    • @mattharcla
      @mattharcla Рік тому

      I'd love to know who the Australian was.

    • @davidsnape2778
      @davidsnape2778 Рік тому +2

      All correct and included in the book

    • @TheBushmanmike
      @TheBushmanmike Рік тому +4

      @@mattharcla His name was "Chas" Gooding :0)))

  • @keithagn
    @keithagn Рік тому +68

    Yes, please do more stories of Rhodesia. This is fascinating history, and I can't thank you enough for bringing it to everyone, and me. Best Regards from Canada 🇨🇦

  • @sculptureshard377
    @sculptureshard377 Рік тому +34

    Fascinating interview indeed. I was a young police officer in training at the time and stationed at Morris Training Depot in Salisbury Rhodesia. My squad, 10 of 1969, were undergoing equitation training in preparation for the BSA Police Display of 1970, an annual event which involved us touring the country and performing at agricultural shows where we displayed horsemanship skills in the form of a Musical Ride. We were seconded into being extras for the film titled 'Shangani Patrol' and travelled by train and bus all the way down to Bulawayo then onto Marula where the shooting occurred. An interesting time and initially exciting as we all had stars in our eyes, but within a short space of time most of us grew bored with the filming process as we were policemen in training and not actors. In costume we rode our mounts to set locations for rehearsals and then shoots. I remember the heat, being hungry, and many funny incidents. Sadly Brian O'Shaughnessy, who played the part of Alan Wilson died in 2001, whereas the American Actor Will Hutchins, who played the part of the scout, is enjoying old age and has a fan page. I was in contact with his wife last year and related humorous incidents I witnessed on set, one of which involved Will and Brian walking beside each other for a scene. Because Will was so tall, the crew dug a ditch for him to walk in alongside Brian so that the height difference wouldn't be so noticeable on screen. They rehearsed the scene several times before it was filmed and I remember the humour in it.

    • @redcoathistory
      @redcoathistory  Рік тому +7

      Hi there - thanks so much for sharing that story. It’s greatly appreciated!!

    • @Paladin1873
      @Paladin1873 Рік тому +8

      I only visited your country once in 1985 to connect with some friends who lived outside of Hartley (now Chegutu) in the bush and to do a bit of hunting and site-seeing. By coincidence, one of the hotels I stayed at by Victoria Falls was also housing the cast and crew of a movie company that was filming "Allan Quartermain and the Lost City of Gold". I bumped into several of the actors, including Sharon Stone, James Earl Jones, and Henry Silva. My friends are deceased now and their children live in America, which is just as well. When I think of what has become of that beautiful land I want to cry in despair. I've read that the money is so worthless today that they are printing 100 trillion dollar notes. This truly is inconceivable.

    • @mattharcla
      @mattharcla Рік тому +3

      @@Paladin1873 Some say it is reverting back to how things were before some organizers arrived.

    • @Paladin1873
      @Paladin1873 Рік тому +2

      @@mattharcla Perhaps Milton put it best when the devil said "It is better to reign in Hell than to serve in Heaven."

    • @cuebj
      @cuebj 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@Paladin1873 Milton didn't know his theology. The devil is the first victim of hell, not the ruler.

  • @Paladin1873
    @Paladin1873 Рік тому +30

    I had friends in Rhodesia during the 1970s when the bush wars heated up again. I didn't visit the country until the mid-1980s after it had become Zimbabwe. Today the place is a social and economic wreck thanks to communism, socialism, and the corruption they breed. It needn't be; the country has much to offer, but the power of tribal allegiance still holds sway over many people.
    Listening to the description of the Shangani Patrol leadership, one might conclude their descendants settled in Uvalde, Texas and are running the law enforcement community there. With regard to Frederick Russell Burnham, he is a mostly forgotten giant in both American western culture and colonial African history. British general and war hero Robert Baden-Powell was taught woodcraft by Burnham and used this knowledge to later create the Boy Scouts. Burnham himself became a notable figure in the Boy Scouts of America. A video about his life would be great and nearly unbelievable.

    • @redcoathistory
      @redcoathistory  Рік тому +3

      Morning. Thanks for that. I do eventually plan an entire video on Burnham - what a man!

    • @dreambaked1024
      @dreambaked1024 Рік тому

      Mmmm.. More thanks to crippling sanctions imposed by Britain and the US....Less because of those isms that weren't ever present.
      It's amazing how much shit some of you people blame of fuckin communism... Like its you guys why certain shit is fucked... not communism. classic excuse

    • @markaxworthy2508
      @markaxworthy2508 Рік тому

      Rubbish. The mess the country is in today is nothing to do with either Socialism, or Communism. Neither ever got a foothold in Zimbabwe. ZANLA and ZTPRA turned to the Communist Bloc for weaponry because they couldn't get it anywhere else, not for ideological reasons. They were African Nationalists first. The Terrs called the war of 1966-79 the Second Chimurenga. For them it was the continuation of the First Chimurenga, which referred to the initial resistance of the Mashona and Matabele in the 1890s.

    • @tombogan03884
      @tombogan03884 6 місяців тому

      It's simply returning to what it was before the "evil" colonizers arrived with their medicines, and schools, and laws.

    • @ric6383
      @ric6383 5 місяців тому

      Absolutely, had the UK and US supported the internal settlement, it would very probably be the jewel of Africa. Unfortunately, there are about 50 sad examples of what happens when a white administration depart an African country.

  • @Krutchly
    @Krutchly Рік тому +34

    I first read about this event in a book called "The White Men Sang," by Alexander Fullerton. The description of the battle was very detailed - right down to the deaths of the individual troopers. A riveting read.

    • @davidsnape2778
      @davidsnape2778 Рік тому +4

      A good book but fictional account. Historians had to rely on Ndebele survivors for an account of what happened.

    • @malpreece5008
      @malpreece5008 Рік тому

      Have you read Chris Ash’s ‘Matabele’? I read it a few years ago, and it was very good.

    • @shauncrawford9473
      @shauncrawford9473 Рік тому +1

      read that book a very long time ago absolutely fantastic book

    • @malpreece5008
      @malpreece5008 Рік тому

      @@shauncrawford9473 Agreed. It’s definitely worth a read if you’re interested in the history of Rhodesia. 👍🏻

    • @decem_sagittae
      @decem_sagittae 9 місяців тому

      How can anyone know how individual troopers died when there were no survivors?

  • @lesbeswick6172
    @lesbeswick6172 Рік тому +7

    Yes, as a child, I lived in Northern Rhodesia, and would like to hear as much about Rhodesia, as I possibly can. Thanks.

  • @imamba1
    @imamba1 Рік тому +5

    Yes please. More about Rhodesia, my old home.

  • @robengl6553
    @robengl6553 Рік тому +3

    Fantastic video as usual. Channel is getting better and better. Mr Snape's book is excellent.

  • @BrendonChase2012
    @BrendonChase2012 Рік тому +1

    So glad you have made this video, I remember asking you to do a video on the Shangani Patrol...I'll pretend it's all down to me! Great stuff, keep it up!

  • @zanaugustincic7682
    @zanaugustincic7682 Рік тому +4

    Wonderful video! I would very much appreciate more stories from Rhodesia in the future.

  • @speakupriseup4549
    @speakupriseup4549 Рік тому +7

    Excellent video, fantastic historical subject, subscribed.

  • @welshwarrior5263
    @welshwarrior5263 Рік тому +4

    What a lovley way to spend a rainy sunday, listening to Redcoat History. Thank you both.

  • @tonyhedrick7673
    @tonyhedrick7673 Рік тому +19

    Great video, I really enjoyed it! I would definitely like to hear more on the history of Rhodesia.

    • @redcoathistory
      @redcoathistory  Рік тому +3

      Great thanks. I’ll be doing more over the next few months

  • @stephengreene1856
    @stephengreene1856 Рік тому +2

    Nice!! I just sat down in the afternoon,Cold Beer,work is done and a new video!

  • @brianford8493
    @brianford8493 Рік тому +8

    Brilliant stuff as per usual chap....keep it up please ✌️

  • @golden.lights.twinkle2329
    @golden.lights.twinkle2329 Рік тому +2

    Excellent video about a battle I'd never heard of.

  • @SmokinLoon5150
    @SmokinLoon5150 Рік тому +1

    Excellent presentation. Thank you for sharing.

  • @DJNaija
    @DJNaija Рік тому +3

    Quality. Keep them coming

  • @mrpamcn
    @mrpamcn Рік тому +9

    Very good, Chris. I've had an interest in this topic since I was a kid. My mum actually bought Alexander Fullerton's book The White Men Sang for my dad back in the 60s. I still have a copy of it along with 3 others on the subject, one of which is Burnham's memoir. I had family too in Bulawayo and used to write to one of my cousins there when I was 12 or 13.

    • @redcoathistory
      @redcoathistory  Рік тому +1

      Thanks, Paul. One day I hope to visit the battlefild. Will keep you posted if I get there.

    • @mrpamcn
      @mrpamcn Рік тому

      @@redcoathistory Please do, Chris. I look forward to hearing more.

  • @anselmdanker9519
    @anselmdanker9519 Рік тому +13

    Thank you- I read a book on the Shangani Patrol in the British Council library , many years ago.Glad you covered this- with photos of the combatants.Fredrick Burnham was Lord Roberts chief scout , unless I am mistaken. Look forward to more tales .

  • @robertwaid3579
    @robertwaid3579 Рік тому +1

    I need too Watch n Hear this Out. Very Diligently. So I'll download it for Later. Thank You.

  • @TheScoopGorrilla
    @TheScoopGorrilla Рік тому +1

    Well done great video!

  • @fredazcarate4818
    @fredazcarate4818 Рік тому +6

    Yes my lad, please produce that video about those intrepid Americans that served Wilson at Shangani.

  • @peterscrafton5212
    @peterscrafton5212 Рік тому +21

    Very interesting, and very well done. Not all of us have the same degree of articulacy in front of a camera, but it was clear that Mr Snape knows his stuff, and I, for one, found him easy to listen to.

  • @nathanmcauley8806
    @nathanmcauley8806 Рік тому +2

    don't know if you'll see this but i really love the history of the south african and british history specifically late 1800s love your content please keep doing stuff like this.

  • @stephenhunt2806
    @stephenhunt2806 Рік тому +3

    Another excellent podcast with a fascinating interview with David Snape. I look forward to watching the full interview with him. This action is also covered in the BBC Rhodes documentary that I mentioned in a response to your Jameson Raid podcast. I would love to watch more podcasts about the Rhodesians and not just the colonial period. The action of the Rhodesian anti-tank gunners at Thompson's Post (2nd Alamein November 1942) would make a good podcast. Regarding David's books on Shangani and the James Raid, they can become obtained for an even bigger discount, £14.76 including postage, from "Books etc.".

  • @Revolver1701
    @Revolver1701 Рік тому

    Fascinating. Good video. Thank you.

  • @sethdekooters7567
    @sethdekooters7567 Рік тому +2

    Thank you Christian for bringing this piece of interesting history to my attention.

  • @Jubilo1
    @Jubilo1 Рік тому +1

    Superb episode !

  • @christophermcguire7888
    @christophermcguire7888 Рік тому +9

    A wise commander never fails to, tell his lads what's going on and inspires confidence builds morale Moses

  • @FMCH6444
    @FMCH6444 Рік тому +5

    What kawinkydink you posted this. I just found your channel & watched the Isandlwana videos & thought that the late 1800s was a bad time for modern troopers vs natives, Custer's Last Stand was roughly 2.5 years before the British defeat at Isandlwana - stick out as major defeats & there a lot of little ones. Fantastic channel. I've been interested in the Zulu war since I was a kid & HBO here in the States aired Zulu Dawn. Fantastic channel, I'm binge watching all of your videos so I can catch up. - wow, that was long winded!

    • @redcoathistory
      @redcoathistory  Рік тому +1

      That’s great - i really appreciate your feedback and I’m glad you like the channel.

  • @christopping5876
    @christopping5876 Рік тому +4

    Yesterday please. More Rhodesian history from your unbiased view point. I grew up in Rhodesia so may just not have been told quite everything!!

  • @TheBushmanmike
    @TheBushmanmike Рік тому +11

    There were eight Impis involved, two pitted against Forbes and five against Wilson and Borrow, one remained with the King who fled toward the Zambesi along the Gwaai Valley where he died a few months later. His grave has been located but his bones, I believe, have been reburied with his father Mzilikazi near Bulawayo.

    • @wozatel
      @wozatel Рік тому

      not quite

    • @TheBushmanmike
      @TheBushmanmike Рік тому

      @@wozatel ?

    • @tombogan03884
      @tombogan03884 6 місяців тому

      I've wondered if he were ever found ever since I read "Storm over Rhodesia".

  • @stephengreene1856
    @stephengreene1856 Рік тому +6

    I really like your videos covering British Military Actions in Africa.
    I have read a bit about the wars there,But it was more of a general history,
    I like to know more about individual actions,And I've never read anything about Shangani except a small footnote in a book,

  • @kiwifruit27
    @kiwifruit27 Рік тому +2

    Great video, thanks

  • @Daylon91
    @Daylon91 Рік тому

    Great video and u should do a video on St Clairs defeat (worst battle in American history)

  • @FelixstoweFoamForge
    @FelixstoweFoamForge Рік тому +7

    Given his abysmal track record of getting into hopeless scrapes, just HOW did Harry Flashman manage to miss this one?

    • @redcoathistory
      @redcoathistory  Рік тому +2

      Good point - I would assume old age, but I guess that wouldn't have held back good old flash Harry!

  • @jayturner3397
    @jayturner3397 Рік тому +1

    Good article, I've somehow missed that 1970 film..shall dig it out thanks

  • @blockmasterscott
    @blockmasterscott Рік тому

    Wow, I had never heard of this action!

  • @eddierudolph8702
    @eddierudolph8702 Рік тому

    Great video

  • @charlesmoore7349
    @charlesmoore7349 Рік тому +1

    Great. Thanks.

  • @julianpalmer4886
    @julianpalmer4886 Рік тому +3

    Rudyard Kipling's poem 'If'
    If you can keep your head when all about you
    Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
    If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
    But make allowance for their doubting too:
    If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
    Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
    Or being hated don't give way to hating,
    And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;
    If you can dream-and not make dreams your master;
    If you can think-and not make thoughts your aim,
    If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
    And treat those two impostors just the same:
    If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
    Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
    Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
    And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools;
    If you can make one heap of all your winnings
    And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
    And lose, and start again at your beginnings
    ⁠And never breathe a word about your loss:
    If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
    To serve your turn long after they are gone,
    And so hold on when there is nothing in you
    ⁠Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'
    If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
    Or walk with Kings-nor lose the common touch,
    If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
    If all men count with you, but none too much:
    If you can fill the unforgiving minute
    With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
    Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
    ⁠And-which is more-you'll be a Man, my son!

  • @TheBushmanmike
    @TheBushmanmike Рік тому +5

    There is another very famous patrol, the Umgusa Patrol consisting of a number of different units, one being the Grey's Scouts , one of many battles which took place on the Umgusa River. No less than two VC's were awarded during these battles around Bulawayo in 1896. There was a further VC awarded for the Mazoe Patrol, around the Mazoe Mine not far from Salisbury now harare at approximately the same time. Not to mention the VC awarded to Corporal Molineux at Mafeking. All English speaking and well educated Rhodesian Frontiersmen. "At the Club in Bulawayo they spoke of many things, of Baxter late of Grey's, and Molineux at Mafeking" mw

  • @robertschlotte1124
    @robertschlotte1124 Рік тому

    I’ve had a copy of “scouting on two Continents” by Major Frederick Russell Burnham DSO since I was a kid. It had belonged to my Great Grandfather, a Boer War Veteran with the Black Watch. I’d enjoy knowing more about Maj Burnham.

  • @99IronDuke
    @99IronDuke Рік тому +2

    A good video. Wilson's men were brave soldiers. You should do a video on the 1906 Bambarta rebellion in Zululand.

  • @Schlachtschule
    @Schlachtschule Рік тому +1

    An excellent video which spurred me to find a copy of the movie, and I'm glad I did. Historical inaccuracies aside, it was quite a good film. Thank you.
    Incidentally, have you considered coving a Victorian conflict which has gone almost entirely untouched by others--namely, the Abyssinian Campaign of 1867-1868 under Napier, which culminated in the Battle of Magdala. In that battle, about 5,000 British troops defeated a force of over 30,000 native troops under Emperor Theodore III. What makes this battle historically noteworthy is that it is the first major battle in which the incredibly important Snider-Enfield breechloading rifle was used. This rifle was a conversion of the existing Pattern 1853 muzzle loading rifle, and was the first breechloading rifle in British military service. It's a fascinating rifle (one I shoot), and doesn't get the coverage it deserves.

    • @redcoathistory
      @redcoathistory  Рік тому +1

      Thanks - I will add it to my list of conflicts to cover.

    • @wuffothewonderdog
      @wuffothewonderdog Рік тому +1

      @@redcoathistory
      I lived in Malawi in the 1970s, working as an accountant in the Malawi government.
      In 1978 I travelled up to Karonga near the Zambia and Tanzania borders, where I found an Imperial War Graves cemetery, with graves dated August/September 1914. This was the beginning of WW1 in Africa, with the Germans invading the then Nyasaland marching west, and the King's African Rifles marchng east into German East Africa. They missed each other in the best colonial manner and the match had to be re-arranged, with the Germans winning seven-six according to the graveyard count.
      Not a Victorian skirmish but I believe the first British shots of WW1 were fired by the British steamer firing on the German steamer station days after war was declared.

    • @TrevorMoses312
      @TrevorMoses312 11 місяців тому

      Please list the historical inaccuracies?

  • @michaelross1943
    @michaelross1943 Рік тому

    Great video, more Rhodesian history and the men who made it.

  • @FranciscoPreira
    @FranciscoPreira Рік тому

    Great episod indeed.

  • @billballbuster7186
    @billballbuster7186 6 місяців тому

    Great presentation. Its really amazing that Wilson thought that he could ignore his orders and ride into Bulawayo with just 12 men. Far from a hero, more of an egotist that got his men killed for his own glory. The men fought magnificently for all that, in a hopeless situation.

  • @2anthro
    @2anthro Рік тому +1

    Austin Texas appreciates your site. Military history is always the same story no matter the continent: political, economic, valor, brilliance, mistakes, last stands, legend.
    All that set in Africa makes an engaging story.
    Subscribed for more!!

  • @MrNaKillshots
    @MrNaKillshots Рік тому

    Fascinating.

  • @johnkennedy4433
    @johnkennedy4433 6 місяців тому

    Love this. So interesting.

  • @davidcoleman2796
    @davidcoleman2796 Рік тому

    Canada . My home . I am glad my father came here from Liverpool.

  • @woodland5325
    @woodland5325 Рік тому +6

    "Up the wild shangani and down the other other side up the wild shangani where Alan Wilson Died" Song Shangani Patrol by John Edmond

  • @garychynne1377
    @garychynne1377 3 місяці тому

    thank you

  • @islamentable1290
    @islamentable1290 Рік тому +13

    Love this content. I was one of the last generations to be schooled in British Colonial History, but even then, there was a shade of shame. This is just an honest discussion of the base narratives.
    You are way better than O level history and Wilbur Smith!

    • @frankwilkinson6328
      @frankwilkinson6328 Рік тому +7

      We should never be ashamed of what we did in Africa, look at the situation in Africa since "independence".

    • @britishpatriot7386
      @britishpatriot7386 Рік тому +4

      I'm not ashamed of my British history because we shaped the world and invented most things used by the world today. God bless Britain.

    • @royals080
      @royals080 11 місяців тому

      ​@britishpatriot7386 that's a lie. Lol you can easily google otherwise

    • @cuebj
      @cuebj 10 місяців тому

      He deliberately avoids the politics and attitudes of the elites. He focuses on the military and soldiers who followed orders. Keeps it simple, though I haven't seen if he tells of those events where common soldiers went bad

    • @cuebj
      @cuebj 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@frankwilkinson6328 We should be ashamed of some events and developments and proud or neutral about others. As son of a colonial administrator, spent childhood in Northern Nigeria, then boarding school of just 60 with English, African, Indian, Southeast Asia, plus other national origin boys, I learned a fair amount of how colonies, protectorates, and Commonwealth worked for ill and good

  • @50TNCSA
    @50TNCSA Рік тому +2

    Back in 1889 a regiment was born
    And her mounted troopers
    Rode in sunshine and in storm
    From Betchualaland to the mighty Zambezi
    Known by many names she was the
    BSAP

  • @queridecristin1340
    @queridecristin1340 Рік тому

    Interesting! I went to Allan Wilson High School in Salisbury now Harare

  • @ronaldpoppe3774
    @ronaldpoppe3774 Рік тому +4

    Fredrick Bernams book is a very good read. He lead an exciting and adventurous life. Fought in the US southwest. And in two wars in Africa for the British and was Loard Roberts chief of scouts during the Boer War.

  • @pfcsantiago8852
    @pfcsantiago8852 Рік тому

    Good stuff.

  • @southernafricanboy4148
    @southernafricanboy4148 Рік тому +1

    Anyone been to site of battle of Mbembesi. My mom who is ndebele btw would walk past the site as a kid and some of the boned would sometimes be washed exposed. This was way back
    History of our country is interesting

  • @jeremydarkeag1e85
    @jeremydarkeag1e85 Рік тому

    Excellent 👍 👍

  • @phann860
    @phann860 Рік тому

    Very good.

  • @alexbowman7582
    @alexbowman7582 Рік тому +6

    You know Baldric when I joined the army we were fighting fuzzy wuzzies with sharp sticks.

  • @AD-on3zx
    @AD-on3zx Рік тому +3

    What is that Zoulou poster? Was that the SA version of it? I'm intrigued.

  • @santagemma6212
    @santagemma6212 Рік тому +9

    So sorry to hear Rhodesians were and are being deprived of their most fundamental rights.

  • @abrahammorrison6374
    @abrahammorrison6374 Рік тому

    Roger Bartlett, aka Big X in the Great Escape was from Rhodesia.

  • @2394Joseph
    @2394Joseph Рік тому +2

    I was in Harare (ex Salisbury) in 1985, five years after the installation of Mugabe. There was a small bronze plaque on one of the walls which stated that it was on that exact spot that the Shangani Patrol left on their mission, which of course they never returned from. It would be interesting to know if that plaque is still there?

    • @redcoathistory
      @redcoathistory  Рік тому

      Hi. Could you give a clue as to where the wall was? If so next time I visit I’ll check

    • @2394Joseph
      @2394Joseph Рік тому

      @@redcoathistory All I remember is that it was close to the centre of Harare near a group of single level shops. One was a newsagent and another a second hand shop. It was on a full brick wall (no windows or doors). There was also another plaque close by referring to the fact that it was 328 kms from there to the spot where the last stand happened. (yes klm not miles for some reason). Sorry that is all that I remember.

    • @TheBushmanmike
      @TheBushmanmike Рік тому

      @@2394Joseph They left from Bulawayo not Ft Salisbury (now harare). Wilson originally left from FT Victoria for the occupation of Bulawayo. Salisbury Horse left Ft Salisbury and joined Wilson (Victoria Rangers) at Iron MIne Hill The Shangani patrol was formed en route to where they thought Lobengula could be found after he fled Bulawayo, so it would take a huge stretch of the imagination to believe the patrol itself left from there (harare)..

    • @2394Joseph
      @2394Joseph Рік тому +1

      @@TheBushmanmike I still have a photograph of one of the wall plaques that I saw, (there was two) it reads (All in capital letters) "SHANGANI MEMORIAL" (heading on one line). "328 KILOMETERS" (next on one line). Then: "SCENE OF THE LAST STAND AGAINST THE MATABELE BY MAJOR ALLAN WILSON & HIS COMPANY OF 34 MEN 4TH DECEMBER 1893.
      THERE WAS NO SURVIVORS". I don't know where the battle was actually fought, if it was 328 Ks from what is now Harare, I did see it there. Then again, it was 1985 when I saw it, and I was both in Bulawayo and Harare so I could be mistaken where I actually saw it (If you know your Rhodesian geography please let me know if I reported wrongly). I do, somewhere, in all my photographs have the photo of the plaque showing the spot where they left from (which was next to the plaque mentioned above). I will try to dig it out and let you know what it says exactly.

    • @TheBushmanmike
      @TheBushmanmike Рік тому +3

      @@2394Joseph The battle took place in the district of Lupane near St Pauls Mission, it is about 40 km north of Bulawayo. You can get there via Lupane village and the Memorial still stands at a place known locally as Pupu. This indicates that it is 300 odd ks south of Salisbury now harare. When I was in the Grey's Scouts we patrolled this area, very eerie place, made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. I have pictures of the memorial, and two others at Ft Victoria and Matopos their remains were buried three times before final resting at Mt Malindidzumu Matopos, where Rhodes and Jameson are also buried.

  • @cyanideinmycereal1077
    @cyanideinmycereal1077 Рік тому +1

    Up! The wild Shangani, and down the other side!
    Up! The wild Shangani, where Allan Wilson died!

  • @invisibleray6987
    @invisibleray6987 Рік тому

    shangani patrol...iconic

  • @davidlee-ln9vh
    @davidlee-ln9vh Рік тому

    You could do another channel on Americans fighting abroad

  • @barneyreichman127
    @barneyreichman127 Рік тому

    Yes please, more Rhodesia, will be looking at more of your videos in future.

  • @MrPh30
    @MrPh30 Рік тому +1

    Look online for Ganyana 's articles on the guns and rifles ,equipment used by the Columns up into Matabele land and Rhodesia . They are excellent written and lot of good info amd experience from them.

    • @redcoathistory
      @redcoathistory  Рік тому

      Thanks will do!

    • @MrPh30
      @MrPh30 Рік тому

      Aswelo as much other guns ,war and hubting related from a lot of southern parts and Zim .

  • @teufeldritch
    @teufeldritch Рік тому +2

    Up the wild Shangani, and down the other side
    Up the wild Shangani where Allan Wilson died

  • @BMC-hl2uh
    @BMC-hl2uh Рік тому

    Sounds good.

  • @nigeldeacon3271
    @nigeldeacon3271 Рік тому +2

    On the Shangani memorial, close to Rhodes's grave, the figures on the panels round the top are said to be true representations of the men involved.

    • @redcoathistory
      @redcoathistory  Рік тому

      I would love to visit one day.

    • @s.wvazim6517
      @s.wvazim6517 Рік тому +1

      Correct and the martini-henry rifles,stirrups and a few other things got cast into the bronze relief. Very special place very important to the matabele and the old soldiers alike. With the words TO BRAVE MEN written in solid brass on the foot of the monument the actual sight of the slaughter is a adventure to get to but can be found with research come visit zimbabwe we are A OK for tourists. A bit rustic granted but gtg !!!

    • @nigeldeacon3271
      @nigeldeacon3271 Рік тому

      @@s.wvazim6517 I lived in Bulawayo when I was young. My father was an engineer at first The General and then at Mpilo.
      Then to a tea estate at chipinga (Chipinge)

    • @s.wvazim6517
      @s.wvazim6517 Рік тому

      @@nigeldeacon3271 awesome 😎💪

  • @Jubilo1
    @Jubilo1 Рік тому

    More Rhodesia please; where else would we see it ?

  • @peter4Flags
    @peter4Flags 6 місяців тому

    Men of men That was one of Wilbur Smith’s books. I can remember the story that mentioned heavy rain ,and a massacre of colonist. It depicted one as slaver a despicable man who had the grudging love of a heroine. The slaver got killed by the impi . So the story is based on this very near true account of what happened. The only thing I was wondering about; is that the book mentioned that the impi were once Zulus ,and they fragmented from the main nation, and were chased away by The Zulus up North and not by the Boers . And I think you mentioned that the land they settled on became Rhodesia. But did some of the land become Botswana? Your upload is appreciated and thank you.

  • @davidedbrooke9324
    @davidedbrooke9324 Рік тому +52

    Gone bad since it became Zimbabwe. No surprises here.

    • @fuckfannyfiddlefart
      @fuckfannyfiddlefart Рік тому

      Britain is bad BECAUSE of IMPERIALISTS and racists like you.

    • @mikereger1186
      @mikereger1186 Рік тому +5

      Not sure Europe is all that much better, the way things are headed...

    • @manofkent6560
      @manofkent6560 Рік тому

      @@mikereger1186 The Kalergi plan in action.

    • @wuffothewonderdog
      @wuffothewonderdog Рік тому +11

      @@mikereger1186
      And for the same reasons.

    • @deniimacdougall
      @deniimacdougall Рік тому +1

      ​@@mikereger1186 Same here in the States!

  • @umvhu
    @umvhu Рік тому

    Lobengula was a very interesting guy, extremely sharp mind. Nearly all the images we see of him were strictly posed, he'd taken off his usual clothing in order to look like the stereotype native chief. However as part of the trade with Cecil Rhodes, Lobengula had a few sets of clothes of a London Gentleman of the Victorian era, top hat and tails etc, which was his normal attire, he also rode horses. Both of these were in direct contrast to his culture.
    If you want a more accurate idea of this event a guy called "Five romeo romeo" has it on youtube

  • @tombogan03884
    @tombogan03884 6 місяців тому

    Lobangula, who negotiated the land sale with Rhodes, was not the "king" of the Matabele.
    He was their OWNER.
    He was King of the Zulu.
    Both Fredrick Russel Burnham, and F.C. Selous wrote extensive accounts of the war in general, and the Shangani patrol in particular.

  • @TheTigerOC
    @TheTigerOC 6 місяців тому

    Just some trivia; The geographic area of the present Zimbabwe was known as Zambezia and only became Southern Rhodesia after the 1923 referendum on whether the territory would become the 5th Province of South Africa or a self governing colony in the British Empire. They voted for the latter. Up until that point the country was controlled by the British South Africa Company. This was discussed thoroughly in the UA-cam Series Fighting Men of Rhodesia where this early history was led by Hannes Wessels a descendant of the pioneers.

  • @leondillon8723
    @leondillon8723 Рік тому

    0:06)Is that Lee Majors, stage right?

  • @johndubose1395
    @johndubose1395 Рік тому +6

    how did the native forces handle logistics in the field to keep so many fighting men fed ?

    • @redcoathistory
      @redcoathistory  Рік тому +6

      Well that was one of the biggest weaknesses of the Impis and why they couldn’t field a force for a long time. I should probably do a whole video on this subject - thanks 🙏

    • @keithagn
      @keithagn Рік тому +2

      Yes, an army travels on its stomach...

    • @TheBushmanmike
      @TheBushmanmike Рік тому +1

      They "lived off the land" most warriors had young carriers who foraged for them and carried their kit etc. On major operations, they took cattle and goats with them, but generally, they lived off the land which they knew so well and the spoils from lesser tribes and occasionally settlers.

    • @michellebrown4903
      @michellebrown4903 Рік тому +2

      Napoleons armies survived largely , by
      " foraging" ,that's why he kept his different Corps fairly distant from one another, and then briefly bringing them together for the Coups de Maine.

  • @MrGgkirke
    @MrGgkirke Рік тому +1

    Interesting how Victorian warrior sagas have the last survivors going forward singing or marching forward with fixed bayonets' into the horde of uncivilized locals .

  • @dalirfarzan1694
    @dalirfarzan1694 Рік тому

    1:59 lol, it's Forest Whitaker

  • @TheBushmanmike
    @TheBushmanmike 2 місяці тому

    Oral tradition that came down from lupane/gwaai area.
    Now I am an outcast. ... Go now all of you to Rhodes and seek his protection. He will be your chief and your friend." The king turned to Magwegwe, the next in rank, and said: "Do you remember your words?" And Magwegwe answered: "Yes, King. When you die, so shall I die." Lobengula took a small bottle and drank. Magwegwe did likewise. They both died that day. Told by the Matabele not the Europeans.

  • @emeraldflint516
    @emeraldflint516 Рік тому +1

    more history abut Rhodesia would be nice :)

    • @redcoathistory
      @redcoathistory  Рік тому

      In will do so - to be honest, I hadn';t realised how popular this subject was.

  • @milkapeismilky5464
    @milkapeismilky5464 Рік тому +1

    A handful of hard Men, it's an unfortunate title, but a great book about Rhodesia

    • @Trigormike
      @Trigormike 6 місяців тому

      Ha ha. I have it on my Amazon wishlist. If we lived in a time when that title could not be intepreteted saliciously.

  • @neil03051957
    @neil03051957 Рік тому +1

    I understand now why the shona attacked the Ndebele after independence 1980, it was retribution for lonbengula.

  • @bernardmusesengwe1984
    @bernardmusesengwe1984 8 місяців тому

    Curious if, in this particular situation, the Matebele employed the ingenious buffalo/cow horn strategy to launch their assault on Wilson and his troop.

    • @redcoathistory
      @redcoathistory  8 місяців тому

      They may have been limited by the very confined space of the battlefield.

  • @trevor5138
    @trevor5138 Рік тому

    The film scenes are from the 1970 South African feature SHANGANI PATROL, directed by my friend and mentor David Million ASC 🙂

  • @fionasmith6868
    @fionasmith6868 7 місяців тому

    How true is this what this man is talking

  • @ric6383
    @ric6383 5 місяців тому

    More Rhodesian history, go for it!

    • @redcoathistory
      @redcoathistory  5 місяців тому

      Got a few now on the channel and another one going out on Friday - enjoy!

  • @MadMax-bq6pg
    @MadMax-bq6pg Рік тому

    Now it seems obvious to me that young Wilson was the man who had the credentials for command in a land force. If one peruses the photographic portraits of successful British generals one will see mustachios that would make a grandfather Walrus positively green with envy! Wilson was the obvious choice for commander.

  • @nyoimanis
    @nyoimanis 2 місяці тому

    Is this the Baden Powell war had been?

  • @David-jw7km
    @David-jw7km Рік тому +1

    At 16:44 why did you interrupt such an important discussion about command structure with a stupid question?

    • @redcoathistory
      @redcoathistory  Рік тому

      I guess I'm just a lowly idiot. Thanks for flagging it!

  • @martinarreguy2984
    @martinarreguy2984 Рік тому

    Expansion mate? How about emperialism, the same as us bloakes across the pond, mate. I was a hired gun for 23 years, and we learned it all from the Spaniards and those who were precedent to them. Nice video! Great information.

  • @twotubefamily9323
    @twotubefamily9323 Рік тому +1

    Try a story on "Thomas Cochrane"

    • @cpurssey982
      @cpurssey982 8 місяців тому

      The Kings and Generals channel have made a fantastic documentary about him.