Quite suprised by how many people are saying there is no history of cowboys in Virginia so I thought i'd leave some further reading here: visitesva.com/esva-history/listings/the-saltwater-cowboys-of-chincoteague-island/ www.chincoteague.com/ virginialiving.com/feature/cowboy-culture/ duesouth.media/exploring-virginia-history-cowboy-history/
That is why it’s so important that you are having these conversations cause most white and white adjacent communities refuse to believe the majority of the Cow Boy … boy be the operative word most black men were addressed as boy especially in the racial violence that occurred on daily basis during most of Americas early development
Wish you could have had a panel discussion on this lol. I’m an indigenous VA Indian there is definitely cowboy and indigenous culture in VA. There are also many different parallels in this collection could miss not knowing. If you know you know!
Ralph Lauren was one of the first designers to design western clothes, but recently he had a collaboration with an Native American designer making it more authentic
i just realized why lvmh put non-designers in the drivers seat. It's the marvel studios method of control. if you are unfamiliar with the concept, there is a theory going around that many of the MCU movie directors were picked not because their films and artistic voice lined up with what the producers wanted, but that due to their relative inexperience (most of the directors previous work were small indie movies) the marvel producers could overwhelm them with the resources of titanic scale plus enormous post production VFX work they would have zero experience with. You take a director used to maybe $1mil to $5 mil budgets and you put them in the drivers seat of a $100mil behemoth. They tried early on to get established directors that would have made sense for each movie but what would happen is that they would be let go due to "creative differences" (ie not doing exactly what marvel wanted). The objective by doing this is to get a certain level of guaranteed consistency in product while having some degree of hollywood cred with talent. this worked for like a decade, so, credit where its due i guess. we're moving on from them now but the damage done to the movie business (studios yolo-ing billion dollar bets on tentpoles instead of across many smaller productions) may be irreversible.
I can't speak for other LVMH brands but they haven't put a "marvel director" in the driver's seat for LV for a long time and certainly haven't now. In fact, this partnership/directorship goes as far back as 2005 with his sunglasses collab so the seed of the idea has existed for at least a 15 years, if not longer. Pharell has headed multiple brands from Human Made/Race, Billionaire Boys Club, Bape(unofficial but Nigo cites his influence), and notably Adidas for footwear. He isn't a non-designer nor is he inexperienced within fashion. He has been quite the opposite, professionally, especially within the last decade alone. I urge anyone who doesn't know their history to check Pharell's pedigree pre 2000s. It runs deeper than most would have you believe.
Im so happy he reduced the use of monograms in the ready to wear. I understand the bags need to sell, and I hope he and his team really push the monogram innovation more, seasonally. But the clothes are actual clothes and not giant brand-billboards. Those suede jackets? AMAZING. you have to be able to enter the store and be able to get " a really nice jacket" that helps bolster the brand value.
No shade to Pharrell but I would say that Alessandro Michele could have done it better I’m a black American from Colorado saying this and all we know is cowboy culture. I do think the collection could have had a better aesthetic than just an overall look. The bags are amazing but the clothes just lack a bit if not a lot.
@@Neema150 I am amazed at how people think Pharrell is fashion. He can put on all the weird sunglasses he wants but he not fashion...its all really bad
Adding Timberland isn't a great idea because it's been trending since late 2022 so LV just wants part of it and just pretend we're bringing back timberland. also timberland LV collaboration, they added LV logo that's it 😐just my opinion thanks 🙏🏻
Pharell AMERICANIZED the Brand. That's all. He brought the LVMH to the heart of American culture. Ode to the history and passages of time that Western wear has has on the culture. Using accuracy in this collection took courage and I'm glad he took the risk. All in all, I think the idea was to solidify and even reintroduce the LV brand as an American brand. Very initmate on his part.
I definitely appreciate the representation of Indigenous American artists. But like you say, this Western aesthetic has been done before. It’s unique in its representation and collaboration with Native artists. However, when will designers take Native American artwork outside of this Western narrative?
That point you made about Pharrell being criticized but not other designers like Ralph Lauren!!! In my opinion, at least Pharrell’s is a more fresh take.
Pharrell taking the hit after hit for a theme/trend collection, Is BONKERS. taking away the social history aspects of cowboys, and black and native Americans, he’s being vilified for being literal when NO ONE else is. If you look at the pieces individually they give that workwear, capsule collection (kinda also quieter luxury without everything being monogrammed to hell and back) where pieces could be mixed and matched. Also in the social ether Yellowstone the tv show blew the hell up, so taking a western aesthetic and running with it as a trend, was inspired. Game of thrones influenced the runways when it was at its peak. Cultural shifts are now more prevalent in the social ether due to social media. Pharrell also plays to his own people, music industry, celebrity, sports multi millionaires, that want luxury, that can afford luxury, that trust him as a person and he wants be successful in what ever he does, so obviously he’s gona pull a fashionable trend onto the runway. It doesn’t need to be so existential in the history of the American cowboy, the cultural heritage of native Americans, it doesn’t need to be THAT deep.
I have truly been enjoying your content on fashion. I love your explanation of Native Americans and Black Americans role in the west. My great uncle was a true black cowboy with his horses and all
Comments were made about Black Americans believing they have a right to Native American culture. If you research US History, you will realize it becomes extremely complicated. Many Black Americans are of Native American ancestry. Members of the FIVE TRIBES ( Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Creek, and Seminole) owned slaves. Also, when African slaves ran away, many lived amongst the Natives because they had similar beliefs and lifestyles before their enslavement. After Emancipation in 1865 many slaves decided to live among the Natives. Yes, we do have a right to express that side of our culture as well. Perfect example of this is the actor Don Cheadle.
Pharrell doesn’t have a identity in fashion he’s just the wearer that’s why he had a sailor inspired pre show and now a western themed show every other designer mostly has an identity rick,Denmark,margiela etc Pharrell is just using themes and pairing them with Louis Vuitton proportions he himself has no real personal design identity even back in the day his style came from niko with bape even the superstars he didn’t make he is just a curator he has to have a voice in fashion a stance on what he thinks clothes mean
27:00; YES. I work for Louis Vuitton and said the same thing. I’m a 5’11”, size 30 178 pound man. I can wear these designs. I’ll do the skater jeans, and the bell bottoms and pearls. However it’s not selling super fast (in Chicago) because his taste isn’t unilateral. It ties into that idea of him being a bit of a voyeur in black culture, in that what Virgil sold to drug dealers and scammers and the rappers he can’t wear. They’re absolutely selling Pharrell to people from other cultures (particularly Asian!) that is more palatable. They’re selling Pharrell and I also love the commentary on saying, “Virgil is discussing these important ideals of blackness, where as Pharrell is trying to sell cool.”
I totally relate to what Caleb is saying! Womenswear sits. I heard that womenswear is about 3% of our sales for the US. Women would much rather do Dior or Chanel RTW. The signatures in women’s RTW isn’t amazing enough and it’s a category we push aggressively but people don’t want it. Again, agree with Roadman, as a fashion person we’re aware of Pharrell but the layman adores him and will try things he’s done that seem tame to us. Further agree shareholders are ruining everything. Ask the average person how much a Birkin or a Rolex costs, they DO NOT know. That a Chanel costs more than both! (An average leather Birkin or a Datejust in Stainless Steel)
I live in VA RIGHT NOW MY WHOLE LIFE AINT NOBODY EVER SAID SHIT ABOUT NO COWBOYS FROM HERE. From the standpoint of literally herding animals as a job ya maybe, but no culture about cowboys from here is discussed or glossed over ever
From South Hampton county va to the eastern shore has deep roots in cowboy culture and not to mention there are horse breeds that are indigenous to VA. Wild horses still roam around the islands still today.
Pharrell has been collaborating with LV since the Marc Jacobs days. There’s interviews from the early 2000’s showcasing the two and their creative relationship. I don’t know why people are so surprised he was appointed to Men’s. Lol.
I don't find the issue it being cliche, I have an issue with a massive high end company cosplaying a culture that it could never relate. Western and cowboy themes still exist, there are still real people doing the dirty work in North/South American towns and wear these emblems to represent their grit and dues they have paid.
thank you idk why this keeps going over everyones head. its stolen valor and not even in a way like wearing a 200 dollar thrashed carhartt, but something way more invasive and less tasteful..
Pharrell Williams's collection for Louis Vuitton is functional luxury, and he has made men’s clothing exciting and beautiful by bringing pearls and jewelry to men's clothing.
its not functional luxury lol none of that stuff would hold up in a real blue collar work environment nor was it designed with functionality for said work in mind. realistically its for rich people who have an idea of what cool working class attire looks like. Also he didnt bring pearls to mens fashion thats been a thing for a long long while?
Thank you for noting that black and indigenous ppl were and are cowboys. We have been brainwashed to believe that black ppl can’t do cowboy fashion but I liked what I saw.
This is all the effects of the “conscious community” on UA-cam that’s been teaching knowledge of self for decades now. Typically ignored and labeled as conspiracy theories but their research and dedication to the truth coming out is truly paying off. When mainstream creatives like Pharrell are showing that in the highest level of their field or even Kanye west quoting some of their information in his rants etc. and then film directors like James Samuel depicting people of color in period piece films etc. They say we are living in the age of truth and everything that was once hidden will come to light. One day on this earth being black will not be seen as other or lesser. But simply as the original people, the ancient and the current.
At the end of the day, it's very easy to judge a collection. we gotta understand there are many factors and influences around him that he has to deal with or at least be around. We have no idea how that feels, and on top that, you are being looked at and every move you make is judged. Imagine if someone, just one person, was watching our every move. Just saying, keep in mind when talking about this. Other than that I thought it was great show.
I see so many other brands and their staple products in this single LV show. Like they copied and just slapped their LV logo over it. They cast their net wide with topics to cover and should have narrowed in on just a couple and edit down the collection. I don’t look to LV for clothing. They are a brand who made luggage and travel related products and were one of the experts in that arena. But it seems that’s not who they want to be anymore and it’s not the customers they want anymore. The Native American thing I guess is a good nod but what happens after this collection ends? Are they going to keep using those Native American models? Are they going to keep collabing with NA? I mean if they kept a permanent collection that is NA and profits are donated to help that community then that would be a good thing.
This is a very fashion foward conversation but there are a lot of historical tones that people dnt understand Pharrell “Williams” is American Indian Virginia is first contact for the country it’s self. Previously called Tsenacomacah. We not offended at all one of us is putting on 🪶
The way I interpret the criticism is that he could have used more true vtg denim/workwear references instead of playing on jst the cowboy “aesthetic” Japanese brands like kapital and RRL imo are geared towards true vtg denim collectors. Pieces from human race also reference historic pieces. We jst wld have expected that from pharrel with his connection with nigo.
He’s not paying homage to anyone he’s stealing from Afro American culture and Native American culture for a white brand. Cause Afro Americans and Native Americans can’t afford this only white ppl can afford this and wear this “cultural” clothing
Tbh. I'd love to have a chat with you on this, but my short answer is, probably not. Yes and no. Pharrel has a good sight on his creative vision, but for LV? Probably not for him.
He not Nudie Rodeo Tailor. He is very away of his market. Nothing to scare the horses (🐎 cowboys, horses, geddit????). Plenty who want to by LV and proud. Those puffed are hardly Hollywood Cowboy but they will sell. Also some less obvious stuff for the more conservative buyer. LV is too big to be allowed to flop. I imagine an absolutely out there collection would have been vetoed. I also imagine the sales figures, views, mentions etc are drilled down in complete detail. Having said all that, I liked the collection!
The only way Pharrell could have used indigenous designs correctly is by partnering with tribes directly to license their art so they can also profit. I live in phoenix and have native friends, they hate seeing brands rip off their culture; it's never done well nor with respect. Without a financial partnership, the collection just comes off as another western brand appropriating culture. Most of the clothing is gauche, there's a few bags and shoes which stand out but most of the collection feels too gimmicky. Also, in case your curioius: The real cowboys actually originated in Mexico , they go by Vaqueros. It would have been more authentic had also referenced this early chunk of cowboy history. Black cowboys didn't arrive till much later after the slave trade; it was one of the few decent jobs available at the time for black men who escaped west from southern slave states.
There’s no correlation in Pharrell’s collections because he doesn’t know who he is as an designer there’s nothing that stands out as familiar or particular to Pharrell as a designer because he doesn’t have a strong enough dream for creating worlds every designer creates worlds Virgil made LV coulorful and animated Rick makes rick Owen a dystopia Ralph etc they all have worlds that are cohesive and apparent in every collection. Pharrell doesn’t.
Well, first of all, Ralph Lauren is an overtly American brand, using an overtly American trope as inspiration! I think it is considerate of the fact that Louis Vuitton is a French brand with a man designing for the line who excuses himself by saying I’m not a clothing designer in the first place. I don’t mind the fact that you overtly are throwing Ralph Lauren under a bus while elevating Pharrell Williams. I think both are fine but don’t pretend that isn’t what you’re doing. I’m glad you guys are doing this. I enjoy listening, but sometimes., we all need to stop and listen to ourselves the two of you included.
A native perspective? Louis Vuitton is a French fashion house exploiting native culture by marketing these south western native inspired products to the wealthy which typically isn't indigenous people. More so over, despite using some native models and co-collaborators, having these south western native inspired pieces be manufactured by those who aren't indigenous essentially takes away jobs from indigenous people. Not to mention the now increase in price of these materials that indigenous people have been using for generations. While Pharrell's attempt to offer indigenous peoples a platform to use as a foundation to build upon, he is also contributing to the struggle of indigenous creators who have been designing pieces like these all by themselves for generations. So although I and many other of my indigenous kins and companions are appreciative of the inclusion and recognition, we are also resentful of the system that has forced us to rely on other voices to advocate our stories. Kinda similar in concept to "Bamboozled" a movie Spike Lee made in reflection of his own experience becoming a black film maker in a white dominated industry, having to play along with the system in order to advance; but "at what cost?" Words by a Sicangu Lakota from the Rosebud Sioux Tribe
looks like ralph LVuren lol also other than Wrangler they could have gone with Levi's or even Lee's. Another note, everything is political, including and sometimes especially fashion. Ferragamo was dressing hollywood stars before Givenchy so I'm sure they may have been others even before Salvatore. Givenchy's snobbery may have come from the fact that he was from an aristocratic family.
If the collection is shit, story or cultural relevance or whatever means nothing. And yes it was straight up garbage. At least the music was worse than the clothes lol. And who the Fcuk cares about Ralph Lauren in a fashion innovator sense. RL is nice clothes but nobody looks at it as some industry leader. LV should be. Nobody will be rocking them cowboy fits. And if you ain't got them fitpics, don't try to tell me it was a good collection.. Well I guess that was enough hate for '24 lmao.
Quite suprised by how many people are saying there is no history of cowboys in Virginia so I thought i'd leave some further reading here:
visitesva.com/esva-history/listings/the-saltwater-cowboys-of-chincoteague-island/
www.chincoteague.com/
virginialiving.com/feature/cowboy-culture/
duesouth.media/exploring-virginia-history-cowboy-history/
That is why it’s so important that you are having these conversations cause most white and white adjacent communities refuse to believe the majority of the Cow Boy … boy be the operative word most black men were addressed as boy especially in the racial violence that occurred on daily basis during most of Americas early development
FACTS! From the soil!
Wish you could have had a panel discussion on this lol. I’m an indigenous VA Indian there is definitely cowboy and indigenous culture in VA. There are also many different parallels in this collection could miss not knowing. If you know you know!
Ralph Lauren was one of the first designers to design western clothes, but recently he had a collaboration with an Native American designer making it more authentic
“Making it more Authentic”? The word “more” applies to adding to something that already exists.
They stole from native Americans designers and didn’t credit them and used them
what did they steal@@geekyboy6875
@@geekyboy6875no it’s just business. im sure they got paid.
@@geekyboy6875relax. And they copy everything blacks do in the hood in the USA too. Its on the runway
i just realized why lvmh put non-designers in the drivers seat. It's the marvel studios method of control. if you are unfamiliar with the concept, there is a theory going around that many of the MCU movie directors were picked not because their films and artistic voice lined up with what the producers wanted, but that due to their relative inexperience (most of the directors previous work were small indie movies) the marvel producers could overwhelm them with the resources of titanic scale plus enormous post production VFX work they would have zero experience with. You take a director used to maybe $1mil to $5 mil budgets and you put them in the drivers seat of a $100mil behemoth. They tried early on to get established directors that would have made sense for each movie but what would happen is that they would be let go due to "creative differences" (ie not doing exactly what marvel wanted).
The objective by doing this is to get a certain level of guaranteed consistency in product while having some degree of hollywood cred with talent. this worked for like a decade, so, credit where its due i guess. we're moving on from them now but the damage done to the movie business (studios yolo-ing billion dollar bets on tentpoles instead of across many smaller productions) may be irreversible.
Great analysis
I can't speak for other LVMH brands but they haven't put a "marvel director" in the driver's seat for LV for a long time and certainly haven't now. In fact, this partnership/directorship goes as far back as 2005 with his sunglasses collab so the seed of the idea has existed for at least a 15 years, if not longer. Pharell has headed multiple brands from Human Made/Race, Billionaire Boys Club, Bape(unofficial but Nigo cites his influence), and notably Adidas for footwear. He isn't a non-designer nor is he inexperienced within fashion. He has been quite the opposite, professionally, especially within the last decade alone. I urge anyone who doesn't know their history to check Pharell's pedigree pre 2000s. It runs deeper than most would have you believe.
Im so happy he reduced the use of monograms in the ready to wear. I understand the bags need to sell, and I hope he and his team really push the monogram innovation more, seasonally. But the clothes are actual clothes and not giant brand-billboards. Those suede jackets? AMAZING. you have to be able to enter the store and be able to get " a really nice jacket" that helps bolster the brand value.
Whoa nah my maiden name is craft Phyllis craft 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
People like monograms tho
(it's gauche to me but hey)
@@Heyu7her3 i said he reduced, not eliminated.
Dami was dropping some real insight!
To add one more thought, will he do a construction worker next, then police officer and finally a leather man?
😂😂😂😂
😅😅😅😅❤
Its interesting how great the collection looks on individuals off the runway …streetwear!
No shade to Pharrell but I would say that Alessandro Michele could have done it better I’m a black American from Colorado saying this and all we know is cowboy culture. I do think the collection could have had a better aesthetic than just an overall look. The bags are amazing but the clothes just lack a bit if not a lot.
isn't he still with gucci tho?
@@yearight6294no
Well, the owners of Louis Vuitton disagree with you , and their opinion is what counts, not yours.😒
@@Neema150 I am amazed at how people think Pharrell is fashion. He can put on all the weird sunglasses he wants but he not fashion...its all really bad
@@Maatization Says who? 🤣
Adding Timberland isn't a great idea because it's been trending since late 2022 so LV just wants part of it and just pretend we're bringing back timberland. also timberland LV collaboration, they added LV logo that's it 😐just my opinion thanks 🙏🏻
Pharell AMERICANIZED the Brand. That's all. He brought the LVMH to the heart of American culture. Ode to the history and passages of time that Western wear has has on the culture. Using accuracy in this collection took courage and I'm glad he took the risk. All in all, I think the idea was to solidify and even reintroduce the LV brand as an American brand. Very initmate on his part.
I definitely appreciate the representation of Indigenous American artists. But like you say, this Western aesthetic has been done before. It’s unique in its representation and collaboration with Native artists. However, when will designers take Native American artwork outside of this Western narrative?
🎯 but I believe it’s coming the woodlands perspective is on the rise
I would love to chime in on one of these conversations one day when you see it fit. These are great!
I love this man. . Great perspectives and knowledgeable !
Really😅😅😅
I was actually expecting you to give your opinions on the clothes as they came out versus the history lesson at the beginning...
That point you made about Pharrell being criticized but not other designers like Ralph Lauren!!! In my opinion, at least Pharrell’s is a more fresh take.
He’s not being criticized in the right light
what happened to the margiela ss24 review? are you still doing that?
I read the title as Will Ferrell and got VERY confused
Pharrell taking the hit after hit for a theme/trend collection, Is BONKERS. taking away the social history aspects of cowboys, and black and native Americans, he’s being vilified for being literal when NO ONE else is. If you look at the pieces individually they give that workwear, capsule collection (kinda also quieter luxury without everything being monogrammed to hell and back) where pieces could be mixed and matched. Also in the social ether Yellowstone the tv show blew the hell up, so taking a western aesthetic and running with it as a trend, was inspired. Game of thrones influenced the runways when it was at its peak. Cultural shifts are now more prevalent in the social ether due to social media. Pharrell also plays to his own people, music industry, celebrity, sports multi millionaires, that want luxury, that can afford luxury, that trust him as a person and he wants be successful in what ever he does, so obviously he’s gona pull a fashionable trend onto the runway. It doesn’t need to be so existential in the history of the American cowboy, the cultural heritage of native Americans, it doesn’t need to be THAT deep.
Man hes tripping 🤣🤣🤣🥰🥰😇😇
I can see Pharrell doing a skateboard collection next
I have truly been enjoying your content on fashion. I love your explanation of Native Americans and Black Americans role in the west. My great uncle was a true black cowboy with his horses and all
Comments were made about Black Americans believing they have a right to Native American culture. If you research US History, you will realize it becomes extremely complicated. Many Black Americans are of Native American ancestry. Members of the FIVE TRIBES ( Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Creek, and Seminole) owned slaves. Also, when African slaves ran away, many lived amongst the Natives because they had similar beliefs and lifestyles before their enslavement. After Emancipation in 1865 many slaves decided to live among the Natives. Yes, we do have a right to express that side of our culture as well. Perfect example of this is the actor Don Cheadle.
I’m black American and have nothing to do with native Americans
Pharrell doesn’t have a identity in fashion he’s just the wearer that’s why he had a sailor inspired pre show and now a western themed show every other designer mostly has an identity rick,Denmark,margiela etc Pharrell is just using themes and pairing them with Louis Vuitton proportions he himself has no real personal design identity even back in the day his style came from niko with bape even the superstars he didn’t make he is just a curator he has to have a voice in fashion a stance on what he thinks clothes mean
27:00; YES. I work for Louis Vuitton and said the same thing. I’m a 5’11”, size 30 178 pound man. I can wear these designs. I’ll do the skater jeans, and the bell bottoms and pearls. However it’s not selling super fast (in Chicago) because his taste isn’t unilateral. It ties into that idea of him being a bit of a voyeur in black culture, in that what Virgil sold to drug dealers and scammers and the rappers he can’t wear. They’re absolutely selling Pharrell to people from other cultures (particularly Asian!) that is more palatable. They’re selling Pharrell and I also love the commentary on saying, “Virgil is discussing these important ideals of blackness, where as Pharrell is trying to sell cool.”
I totally relate to what Caleb is saying! Womenswear sits. I heard that womenswear is about 3% of our sales for the US. Women would much rather do Dior or Chanel RTW. The signatures in women’s RTW isn’t amazing enough and it’s a category we push aggressively but people don’t want it. Again, agree with Roadman, as a fashion person we’re aware of Pharrell but the layman adores him and will try things he’s done that seem tame to us. Further agree shareholders are ruining everything. Ask the average person how much a Birkin or a Rolex costs, they DO NOT know. That a Chanel costs more than both! (An average leather Birkin or a Datejust in Stainless Steel)
I live in VA RIGHT NOW MY WHOLE LIFE AINT NOBODY EVER SAID SHIT ABOUT NO COWBOYS FROM HERE. From the standpoint of literally herding animals as a job ya maybe, but no culture about cowboys from here is discussed or glossed over ever
There is a massive history of cowboys in Virginia. Especially in the 18th and 19th century.
From South Hampton county va to the eastern shore has deep roots in cowboy culture and not to mention there are horse breeds that are indigenous to VA. Wild horses still roam around the islands still today.
Pharrell has been collaborating with LV since the Marc Jacobs days. There’s interviews from the early 2000’s showcasing the two and their creative relationship. I don’t know why people are so surprised he was appointed to Men’s. Lol.
I don't find the issue it being cliche, I have an issue with a massive high end company cosplaying a culture that it could never relate. Western and cowboy themes still exist, there are still real people doing the dirty work in North/South American towns and wear these emblems to represent their grit and dues they have paid.
thank you idk why this keeps going over everyones head. its stolen valor and not even in a way like wearing a 200 dollar thrashed carhartt, but something way more invasive and less tasteful..
Pharrell Williams's collection for Louis Vuitton is functional luxury, and he has made men’s clothing exciting and beautiful by bringing pearls and jewelry to men's clothing.
its not functional luxury lol none of that stuff would hold up in a real blue collar work environment nor was it designed with functionality for said work in mind. realistically its for rich people who have an idea of what cool working class attire looks like. Also he didnt bring pearls to mens fashion thats been a thing for a long long while?
no a niche client ...pearls are fine but keep it classy..like a ring or a single pearl pendant
Thank you for noting that black and indigenous ppl were and are cowboys. We have been brainwashed to believe that black ppl can’t do cowboy fashion but I liked what I saw.
This is all the effects of the “conscious community” on UA-cam that’s been teaching knowledge of self for decades now. Typically ignored and labeled as conspiracy theories but their research and dedication to the truth coming out is truly paying off. When mainstream creatives like Pharrell are showing that in the highest level of their field or even Kanye west quoting some of their information in his rants etc. and then film directors like James Samuel depicting people of color in period piece films etc.
They say we are living in the age of truth and everything that was once hidden will come to light. One day on this earth being black will not be seen as other or lesser. But simply as the original people, the ancient and the current.
Really yall the newbees they always had black cowboys sorry to tell yall late 🤣🤣🤣🤣 o im 63 🤣🤣🤣🤣😇😇😇🥰🥰🥰
At the end of the day, it's very easy to judge a collection. we gotta understand there are many factors and influences around him that he has to deal with or at least be around. We have no idea how that feels, and on top that, you are being looked at and every move you make is judged. Imagine if someone, just one person, was watching our every move. Just saying, keep in mind when talking about this. Other than that I thought it was great show.
I see so many other brands and their staple products in this single LV show. Like they copied and just slapped their LV logo over it. They cast their net wide with topics to cover and should have narrowed in on just a couple and edit down the collection.
I don’t look to LV for clothing. They are a brand who made luggage and travel related products and were one of the experts in that arena. But it seems that’s not who they want to be anymore and it’s not the customers they want anymore.
The Native American thing I guess is a good nod but what happens after this collection ends? Are they going to keep using those Native American models? Are they going to keep collabing with NA? I mean if they kept a permanent collection that is NA and profits are donated to help that community then that would be a good thing.
You should try to collaborate with Threaducation. I think it would be fire now what the collab would be about. Idk loll
I have yet to see anything Pharrell has done at LV that wasn't reductive.
I think he's really triping
Could we get a jacket ID? It’s fire
It's a Barbour cropped wax jacket
Ahh ok thanks, I’ve never seen a waxed jacket that doesn’t have that wrinkly look, I may have to get one of these haha
Yeah I know what you mean haha
Not Wrangler, but Davis and Levi Strauss created the first jeans
20 BILLION IN A YEAR!?! I’m in the wrong business
Keep in mind LV built so much “heritage” over the Years…it’s a machine that pays out to many…it’s almost an unobtainable goal lol
This is a very fashion foward conversation but there are a lot of historical tones that people dnt understand Pharrell “Williams” is American Indian Virginia is first contact for the country it’s self. Previously called Tsenacomacah. We not offended at all one of us is putting on 🪶
The way I interpret the criticism is that he could have used more true vtg denim/workwear references instead of playing on jst the cowboy “aesthetic” Japanese brands like kapital and RRL imo are geared towards true vtg denim collectors. Pieces from human race also reference historic pieces. We jst wld have expected that from pharrel with his connection with nigo.
Its cosplay for billionaires like Musk and Bezos playing cowboys in Texas, which is directly the target audience.
It was Mexicans land also & I don’t see Pharrell paying any homage to Mexicans
He’s not paying homage to anyone he’s stealing from Afro American culture and Native American culture for a white brand. Cause Afro Americans and Native Americans can’t afford this only white ppl can afford this and wear this “cultural” clothing
Yall sold the land tho. This happens everywhere with “land” and possessions
Is mr december ur relative? yall look so similar. Love from Baltimore Maryland USA
We aren’t related but this is very interesting haha
Tbh. I'd love to have a chat with you on this, but my short answer is, probably not.
Yes and no. Pharrel has a good sight on his creative vision, but for LV? Probably not for him.
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He not Nudie Rodeo Tailor. He is very away of his market. Nothing to scare the horses (🐎 cowboys, horses, geddit????). Plenty who want to by LV and proud. Those puffed are hardly Hollywood Cowboy but they will sell. Also some less obvious stuff for the more conservative buyer. LV is too big to be allowed to flop. I imagine an absolutely out there collection would have been vetoed. I also imagine the sales figures, views, mentions etc are drilled down in complete detail. Having said all that, I liked the collection!
It’s not insane it’s actually factual
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The only way Pharrell could have used indigenous designs correctly is by partnering with tribes directly to license their art so they can also profit. I live in phoenix and have native friends, they hate seeing brands rip off their culture; it's never done well nor with respect. Without a financial partnership, the collection just comes off as another western brand appropriating culture. Most of the clothing is gauche, there's a few bags and shoes which stand out but most of the collection feels too gimmicky. Also, in case your curioius: The real cowboys actually originated in Mexico , they go by Vaqueros. It would have been more authentic had also referenced this early chunk of cowboy history. Black cowboys didn't arrive till much later after the slave trade; it was one of the few decent jobs available at the time for black men who escaped west from southern slave states.
Oh stop it. Every group gets ripped off at some point. The natives aren’t the only people in the world that have had atrocities happen.
Pharrell is indigenous as well, Also there were indigenous cowboys here on the east coast far before a cowboy was called a cowboy let alone” slavery “
@@jamespatterson7773 he’s not indigenous. Stop it.
@@Myhandle718 Definitely is the Williams descend from a few different North Carolina Virginia Indian tribes by blood and are well recorded. 💯
@@jamespatterson7773 that’s not what I saw on his Ancestry show..
There’s no correlation in Pharrell’s collections because he doesn’t know who he is as an designer there’s nothing that stands out as familiar or particular to Pharrell as a designer because he doesn’t have a strong enough dream for creating worlds every designer creates worlds Virgil made LV coulorful and animated Rick makes rick Owen a dystopia Ralph etc they all have worlds that are cohesive and apparent in every collection. Pharrell doesn’t.
NOte: RRL has been doing western wear for decades.
LV has no direction anymore.
This collection is simply awful and lacking creativity. It’s been done anyone could do better
Don't sleep on Pharrell he's had his hands in Bape, Billionaire Boy's Club, Ice Cream and has done collabs with top brands.
Well, first of all, Ralph Lauren is an overtly American brand, using an overtly American trope as inspiration! I think it is considerate of the fact that Louis Vuitton is a French brand with a man designing for the line who excuses himself by saying I’m not a clothing designer in the first place. I don’t mind the fact that you overtly are throwing Ralph Lauren under a bus while elevating Pharrell Williams. I think both are fine but don’t pretend that isn’t what you’re doing. I’m glad you guys are doing this. I enjoy listening, but sometimes., we all need to stop and listen to ourselves the two of you included.
A native perspective? Louis Vuitton is a French fashion house exploiting native culture by marketing these south western native inspired products to the wealthy which typically isn't indigenous people.
More so over, despite using some native models and co-collaborators, having these south western native inspired pieces be manufactured by those who aren't indigenous essentially takes away jobs from indigenous people. Not to mention the now increase in price of these materials that indigenous people have been using for generations. While Pharrell's attempt to offer indigenous peoples a platform to use as a foundation to build upon, he is also contributing to the struggle of indigenous creators who have been designing pieces like these all by themselves for generations. So although I and many other of my indigenous kins and companions are appreciative of the inclusion and recognition, we are also resentful of the system that has forced us to rely on other voices to advocate our stories.
Kinda similar in concept to "Bamboozled" a movie Spike Lee made in reflection of his own experience becoming a black film maker in a white dominated industry, having to play along with the system in order to advance; but "at what cost?"
Words by a Sicangu Lakota from the Rosebud Sioux Tribe
looks like ralph LVuren lol
also other than Wrangler they could have gone with Levi's or even Lee's.
Another note, everything is political, including and sometimes especially fashion.
Ferragamo was dressing hollywood stars before Givenchy so I'm sure they may have been others even before Salvatore. Givenchy's snobbery may have come from the fact that he was from an aristocratic family.
So far so Laurenish
there is no cowboy/western culture in virginia idk wtf this guys is talking about
No western but definitely cowboy culture in VA.
Please review brands we don't know put us on ...
I do all the time, it just seems that no one notices
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nope...
Why vaseline? 😂
If the collection is shit, story or cultural relevance or whatever means nothing. And yes it was straight up garbage. At least the music was worse than the clothes lol.
And who the Fcuk cares about Ralph Lauren in a fashion innovator sense. RL is nice clothes but nobody looks at it as some industry leader. LV should be.
Nobody will be rocking them cowboy fits. And if you ain't got them fitpics, don't try to tell me it was a good collection..
Well I guess that was enough hate for '24 lmao.
People who don't think RL has been a huge innovator, do not understand the history of American Fashion.
@@spuckuk7039 "has been"
Watch the Ralph Lauren documentary bro
@@Myhandle718 RL haven't had cultural relevance since Lo-Life etc. And that wasn't something RL did, that was something the people took lol.
He should leave!