If there is hell forever for a single person than hell is forever for Christ, because they are one. If hell is forever for Christ, then hell is forever for every individual, because we are one. That's what love does, thats emphaty - feeling what the other feels with them. There cannot be eternal (not only in time but also in measure) joy in God when hell is eternal. His union with us is not a risk, but a confident sacrificial move and a declaration of His utter confidence that all will be well.
There is absolutely no ambiguity in the declaration that every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of the Father. You cannot do that from a place of darkness or separation.
Right!!!♥️ That's why He said, He who loses his life for My sake will find it... The root word for LIFE there is "psyche: the way we "think" it/He is... 🎁🎁🎁
I hear that it easy to see universal existence between God and creation (us). but very hard to see universal relationship with all. mostly cause we have turned from light. And we see cloudy as in the darkness, but to look to Jesus is to look at the way Papa sees us himself and creation. Jesus spoke the language of Papa, which is Love. just count how many verses have "One Another".Great message guys. !!!!
Yes! It’s sin that makes it hard to see the universal relationship with all. Sin as in the literal “missing the mark” definition; separation. Sin is the self-generated and interpersonally perpetuated illusion of separation. It is the illusion of separation within our being, between us and our fellow man, and between us and God. Christ’s work on the cross was meant to once and for all show us that separation is a complete illusion - in all of its forms - including the ultimate separation. Even DEATH cannot separate us from God! It’s finished. THERE. IS. NO. SEPARATION
Then there can't be a hell either , rt? cuz that would mean separation... Maybe could it be that the fire 🔥 is in Christ ? So struggling to understand this.
It's really a question of semantics is hell a very real literal geographic region in the universe or is it an even more real spiritual geographic location that is even worse than we could have imagined a literal place to be. The moral to the story though is not how bad hell is but how good the father is.
Christ the Son and Word is obviously a part of everyone's lives where they know him or not... The point is, and the good news of the gospel itself (which is Himself) is that we may now be relationally reconciled to Him - In Him - and through Him. Regeneration and the transference from one Kingdom into another is not merely a matter of 'perceiving' what has already taken place for us personally... For we were really (individually) actually abiding in one kingdom, and then are actually transferred - at the point of conversion - into the other. Yes Christ The Creator and Redeemer has already redeemed and recreated everyone... But this remains pure Potential until we receive Him. (if not, notice the danger of falling into the notion of self realisation / enlightenment similar to that of Advaitan and much New Age thought at this point) "If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ - he does not belong to Christ" - St Paul "En Christos" or out of Christ is not a construct of the proud elitist mind of man, but a revelation from God about the nature of reality from His perspective. Itching ears folks... Do not be deceived. Eastern and Oriental Orthodoxy, and, to some degree, Catholic and Protestant thought, already holds the balance and the beauty of all of this without having to resort to novel teaching or God having to be seen to sovereignly "determine" in a western Augustinian / Calvinistic or (ironically) Universalist sense. Yes Lord, help me in my unbelief Humility is the greatest thing... for the "us and them" mentality is often negative and destructive and fails to see the image of God in all. Truly all goodness, beauty, wisdom and light - wherever it is found - comes from Him Who "lightens every man coming into the world", but He is the fullfilment of all religion and pure philosophy and we need to be born again of His Spirit - without which / Whom we cannot "discern spiritual things". For the man without the Spirit of God does not understand the things that come from the Spirit of God. Abiding in the finished work is not burdensome... It is true rest... but we must continue to choose life and light, for none are eternally "secure" until they are securely in eternity... But His mercy undures forever ! Xx
You all talk in circles. The question really is, Does God really love the world, that means everyone in the world. If he does why would he not make sure that they are all saved. You have muddled up the Gospel and missed the simple truth. Jesus paid the price for every human being and God has not time limit to save his creation. Question for You . Why would God lose anyone?
You don’t listen very well, or you must have an agenda. As a fellow who has a Yale education, he certainly doesn’t sound like the average southern Baptist pastor that I grew up listening to. Sounds sincere, concise, and real.
Billy Quick Truly i don’t believe that God will loose anyone. God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself not counting our sins against us. Jesus Christ is the saviour of the world. He never failed..
Starting @21:40, Kruger uses some very strange sounding and confusing language. "Sin is not just doing wrong things; sin is saying "God, You will line up with the way I see you! You will work within my illusion! You will bless me when I tell You to bless me - because I am working this program." Sin is the insistence that Jesus repent of his view of God, his view of the human race and creation, his view of history and come line up with me - and I can use Jesus to justify my existing religious darkness; or, I can use Jesus and I can assimilate him into what I already believe." Jesus says "I am the light and I have come to shine in your darkness and to call you to give that up - now which world are you going to live in?" That's what Jesus is saying; are you going to live in my world with me and my father and spirit or are you going to live in your own world?....yada yada yada" Who in the world thinks or speaks to God, to Jesus, in that manner? He's apparently talking about 'believers', so-called or not. I've never in my nearly 50 years of my long journey with God, have I ever heard a fellow Christian speak to Jesus in that way, shaking a defiant fist at God and demanding that our Lord Jesus repent??? Un-enlightened people just need the Light of the Gospel to open their eyes. This man seems to have a skewed view of the Body of Christ or else he runs in much different circles than i do. The other guest follows those fast-talking, long- winded run-on statements with something simpler, something like.....'those walking in darkness need a deep core paradigm shift where folks wake up to the fact that they have a false view of God - and hopefully, that revelation will lead the person towards a more Jesus-looking view of God and to right relationship with Christ.' Kruger does have some good things to say; it's just that the way he expresses his ideas doesn't help me at all.
What about Phil 2:10 all people will confess the name of Jesus. People want to confess. If people don't understand when they die God will show them who he is. God's wrath his strong emotion God's fire will burn his misunderstanding will become clear.
So I guess people have no choice to receive Christ or reject I guess there is no free will. I guess what Jesus said that believe on Him and you shell be saved. Grace with out free will is not Grace.
I believe in universal salvation too. This is theologically called APOCATASTASIS ἀποκατάστασις, see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocatastasis ... I am aware of the difficulties believers have with what is called "BLESSED HOPE"... Find here an interesting site: afkimel.wordpress.com/2015/05/18/apocatastasis-the-heresy-that-never-was-2/ ... Greetings from Germany
These people are very light on scripture. THIS is what HELL looks like. It is TORMENT FOREVER. 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.Revelation 14:10-11 KJV
I agree I'm all for Grace and yes the work of Christ and the love of God is for all and He is love and He is not angry any more but Baxters theology makes me very uncomfortable because it takes away our choice to receive Christ. If you can't have a choice then that is not love. If all are saved then why preach and make disciple's. I'm not for these self righteous angry street preachers that preach Hell and repentance because turning to Christ is the repentance and the hope. But people do need to know that what there saved from and to.
Jesus made everything new. At the very end all 100 sheep was found, as the Farmer bought them all. There is no conditions for salvation in the new Testament, only grace.
And it's the most gut wrenching beautiful tear down of what I thought.... Wow wow wow!!!!🎁🎁🎁
If there is hell forever for a single person than hell is forever for Christ, because they are one. If hell is forever for Christ, then hell is forever for every individual, because we are one. That's what love does, thats emphaty - feeling what the other feels with them. There cannot be eternal (not only in time but also in measure) joy in God when hell is eternal. His union with us is not a risk, but a confident sacrificial move and a declaration of His utter confidence that all will be well.
There is absolutely no ambiguity in the declaration that every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of the Father. You cannot do that from a place of darkness or separation.
Chrissiela Hallelujah Amen & Amen..
Demons did...
This is soooo good!!!!
No it’s not! Not for the world who aren’t lucky enough to know or get to know God
Right!!!♥️
That's why He said, He who loses his life for My sake will find it... The root word for LIFE there is "psyche: the way we "think" it/He is...
🎁🎁🎁
I hear that it easy to see universal existence between God and creation (us). but very hard to see universal relationship with all. mostly cause we have turned from light. And we see cloudy as in the darkness, but to look to Jesus is to look at the way Papa sees us himself and creation. Jesus spoke the language of Papa, which is Love. just count how many verses have "One Another".Great message guys. !!!!
Yes! It’s sin that makes it hard to see the universal relationship with all. Sin as in the literal “missing the mark” definition; separation. Sin is the self-generated and interpersonally perpetuated illusion of separation. It is the illusion of separation within our being, between us and our fellow man, and between us and God.
Christ’s work on the cross was meant to once and for all show us that separation is a complete illusion - in all of its forms - including the ultimate separation. Even DEATH cannot separate us from God! It’s finished.
THERE. IS. NO. SEPARATION
Then there can't be a hell either , rt? cuz that would mean separation...
Maybe could it be that the fire 🔥 is in Christ ?
So struggling to understand this.
Great word!!
Oh God !Hell is darkness.
So how does my mother and sister get saved how to I get my family saved Then?
It's really a question of semantics is hell a very real literal geographic region in the universe or is it an even more real spiritual geographic location that is even worse than we could have imagined a literal place to be. The moral to the story though is not how bad hell is but how good the father is.
So how does the cosmos, creation, animals get saved?
Christ the Son and Word is obviously a part of everyone's lives where they know him or not...
The point is, and the good news of the gospel itself (which is Himself) is that we may now be relationally reconciled to Him - In Him - and through Him.
Regeneration and the transference from one Kingdom into another is not merely a matter of 'perceiving' what has already taken place for us personally... For we were really (individually) actually abiding in one kingdom, and then are actually transferred - at the point of conversion - into the other.
Yes Christ The Creator and Redeemer has already redeemed and recreated everyone... But this remains pure Potential until we receive Him. (if not, notice the danger of falling into the notion of self realisation / enlightenment similar to that of Advaitan and much New Age thought at this point)
"If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ - he does not belong to Christ"
- St Paul
"En Christos" or out of Christ is not a construct of the proud elitist mind of man, but a revelation from God about the nature of reality from His perspective.
Itching ears folks... Do not be deceived. Eastern and Oriental Orthodoxy, and, to some degree, Catholic and Protestant thought, already holds the balance and the beauty of all of this without having to resort to novel teaching or God having to be seen to sovereignly "determine" in a western Augustinian / Calvinistic or (ironically) Universalist sense.
Yes Lord, help me in my unbelief
Humility is the greatest thing... for the "us and them" mentality is often negative and destructive and fails to see the image of God in all. Truly all goodness, beauty, wisdom and light - wherever it is found - comes from Him Who "lightens every man coming into the world", but He is the fullfilment of all religion and pure philosophy and we need to be born again of His Spirit - without which / Whom we cannot "discern spiritual things". For the man without the Spirit of God does not understand the things that come from the Spirit of God.
Abiding in the finished work is not burdensome... It is true rest... but we must continue to choose life and light, for none are eternally "secure" until they are securely in eternity...
But His mercy undures forever !
Xx
good news
Does anyone know who the family counselor talking with Baxter was?? Thank you so much.
Mark Simpson
You all talk in circles. The question really is, Does God really love the world, that means everyone in the world. If he does why would he not make sure that they are all saved. You have muddled up the Gospel and missed the simple truth. Jesus paid the price for every human being and God has not time limit to save his creation. Question for You . Why would God lose anyone?
Absolutely agree Billy
You don’t listen very well, or you must have an agenda. As a fellow who has a Yale education, he certainly doesn’t sound like the average southern Baptist pastor that I grew up listening to. Sounds sincere, concise, and real.
Billy Quick Truly i don’t believe that God will loose anyone. God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself not counting our sins against us. Jesus Christ is the saviour of the world. He never failed..
Jim Taylor Amen & Amen..
free will : )
Starting @21:40, Kruger uses some very strange sounding and confusing language.
"Sin is not just doing wrong things; sin is saying "God, You will line up with the way I see you! You will work within my illusion! You will bless me when I tell You to bless me - because I am working this program." Sin is the insistence that Jesus repent of his view of God, his view of the human race and creation, his view of history and come line up with me - and I can use Jesus to justify my existing religious darkness; or, I can use Jesus and I can assimilate him into what I already believe."
Jesus says "I am the light and I have come to shine in your darkness and to call you to give that up - now which world are you going to live in?" That's what Jesus is saying; are you going to live in my world with me and my father and spirit or are you going to live in your own world?....yada yada yada"
Who in the world thinks or speaks to God, to Jesus, in that manner? He's apparently talking about 'believers', so-called or not. I've never in my nearly 50 years of my long journey with God, have I ever heard a fellow Christian speak to Jesus in that way, shaking a defiant fist at God and demanding that our Lord Jesus repent???
Un-enlightened people just need the Light of the Gospel to open their eyes. This man seems to have a skewed view of the Body of Christ or else he runs in much different circles than i do.
The other guest follows those fast-talking, long- winded run-on statements with something simpler, something like.....'those walking in darkness need a deep core paradigm shift where folks wake up to the fact that they have a false view of God - and hopefully, that revelation will lead the person towards a more Jesus-looking view of God and to right relationship with Christ.'
Kruger does have some good things to say; it's just that the way he expresses his ideas doesn't help me at all.
So 90 billion people who don’t understand God are destroyed.
That’s what the Bible tells us. You don’t meed any Bible teacher twisting this truth.
What about Phil 2:10 all people will confess the name of Jesus. People want to confess. If people don't understand when they die God will show them who he is. God's wrath his strong emotion God's fire will burn his misunderstanding will become clear.
Please expound!
So I guess people have no choice to receive Christ or reject I guess there is no free will. I guess what Jesus said that believe on Him and you shell be saved. Grace with out free will is not Grace.
This is confusing?
14:30ff Calvinism, elect...
Meh I believe in universal salvation
Donavon Freeman the salvation of everyone and everything.
I believe in universal salvation too. This is theologically called APOCATASTASIS ἀποκατάστασις, see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocatastasis ... I am aware of the difficulties believers have with what is called "BLESSED HOPE"... Find here an interesting site: afkimel.wordpress.com/2015/05/18/apocatastasis-the-heresy-that-never-was-2/ ... Greetings from Germany
Paul Paulsen Amen & Amen Paul! Blessings from the UK..
@@TheMorning_Son you don’t believe in Gods Word then.
@@oscarcat1231 yes I do
These people are very light on scripture. THIS is what HELL looks like. It is TORMENT FOREVER.
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.Revelation 14:10-11 KJV
See Dr Kay Fairchild s teachings on Revelation...its a revelation !
I agree I'm all for Grace and yes the work of Christ and the love of God is for all and He is love and He is not angry any more but Baxters theology makes me very uncomfortable because it takes away our choice to receive Christ. If you can't have a choice then that is not love. If all are saved then why preach and make disciple's. I'm not for these self righteous angry street preachers that preach Hell and repentance because turning to Christ is the repentance and the hope. But people do need to know that what there saved from and to.
@@sarahturner35 how so?
Nvm. I did check it out and it was Earth shattering. More Christians need to hear it.
Jesus made everything new. At the very end all 100 sheep was found, as the Farmer bought them all. There is no conditions for salvation in the new Testament, only grace.
Baxter kruger thinks he understands the gospel yet he doesn't have a clue
What? T F?