National greenwashing champions: the tyre industry | Auto Expert John Cadogan
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Hi JC, I got a reply from you asking me to contact WhatsApp, scam I’m guessing
Having lived in a small town in that great expanse called woop woop, I noticed when I moved to Western Sydney that everything used to get covered in a very fine film of black dust. It was less inside the house, but quite significant outside. My neighbours had never really noticed it because to them it was normal, they didn't think about it; but myself being used to red dust, black dust was strange to me. When my son started working his first job as a tyre fitter and came home covered in thick layers of the same black dust, I realised what all the black dust outside was: tyre wear. I'm back living in woop woop again, and grateful for the cleaner air. After spending too many years living there with tyre dust, smog, and bushfire smoke, I no longer complain about dust storms out here.
I'll be impressed with the tyre industry when they figure out a way to make new tyres by recycling old tyres.
don't forget soot from air traffic!
@@ivokraaier9740 ...and burning Teslas
And brake dust
@@Ktmfan450 which is also made from rubber in a very similar way and contains many of the same chemicals.
The best green washers are “The North Face” who refused to supply their gay jackets to a Texas oil company, because they wanted to look green. But their gay jackets are 98% oil. So the owner of the oil company took out an advert on tv thanking “The North Face “ for their continuing support of the oil industry😂
Not sure why every time I hear the brand Continental my brain pushes in an image of Michael Palin on Life of Brian talking about Biggus Dickus' wife Incontinentia 😂
Incontinentia Buttocks?
Its the same gal
I will not have my friends ridiculed by the common soldiery !!
G'day John, You'll be happy to know that there's companies around that recycle tyres into crumb rubber that gets blended into bitumen for road spraying. We use blending trailers when unloading at roadside spraying sites for C170 and other products, such as A-10E, A-5 and S-15R are blended in plants before they are loaded into bulk tankers to be used in asphalt production. On a global scale, it wouldn't amount to much but when you see how much is used on a daily basis, it's fairly significant. The average punter would have little to no idea how much rubber is recycled into the roads they drive on.
Cheers, Dan
Then as the roads wear, even more toxic tyre material is released.
Can't win.
@@MattBlack6 Exactly my thoughts. Besides, most of the other stuff that bitumen is made of are derived from oil, so there's that.
@@MattBlack6 more toxic than existing materials used?
Should be banned. It's shit. What's the msds for all these foreign made tyres?...
As an asphalt foreman it's a fucking joke. Having to smell burnt rubber is a joke.
Two videos in an hour. We're lucky
Tiffany must be out with her yoga instructor
It's the skunk on his t shirt! 😅
I give precisely zero shits about carbon/CO2, but actual pollution, such as the kind which gets into your body and kills you prematurely, or lowers your testosterone, has been given short shrift for a couple of decades now, and it's nice to hear someone finally bringing it up.
Highly entertaining video. One of the interesting things about EV (and I do like them) is that the torque from the electric motors means you can accelerate this heavier vehicle away from the lights quicker than an internal combustion engine vehicle in most cases, and many of the EV owners take great delight at dragging off everyone in an IC engine vehicle at the lights.
Now this should cause a great deal more tyre wear and add to pollution issues greatly, perhaps the saviours of the planet could perhaps try driving a bit more gently?
I've never heard of anyone throwing away, burning, exporting used tyres ect from Lego. Those tyres are for life.
Hi John, Did you know that recently Woolworths will not sell glitter.... because it's a micro plastic. Window dressing their vitue signalling I say. Drill down harder and ask them questions; and it will make them look as stupid as that statement. But the great unwashed will believe recycled plastics used in road base is a great idea. Guess what? road surfaces suffer wear and tear, and the "fines" from this end up in the drains.... and where does that go? I sold steel strap to a company many years ago (1990's) that put a column of tyres in a press, compressed & strapped them up, sold off to become power station fuel overseas.. no prizes for guessing where. Recycling is a good idea, however consumes energy too. Continental's statement here reminded me of the piss weak stance woolworths just had. Some pinko knob jockey is feeling good about themself, so that must count for something.
Well said Mudgrove.
i am a tyre fitter, i have seen the mining industry burry thousands of tyres. there is a new company here in WA, they are trying to recycle buy freezing them and breaking them down. be interesting to see how they go.
12:55 I used to watch the sun rise in clear view of a storm water run off emptying into the bay.
The greased road slime created a slick the size of a football field, just after a light shower. That stuff can be fixed, should be fixed.
The other crazy bludge job I recognized was that all the storm water drains had been built on natures own foundations; rock shelves! Surely someone else can see the lunacy in placing a repeating hydrocarbon spill at the same place ALL marine life chooses to spawn...
Anyway, the answer for the tyres is to be used in "Mechanical Concrete"!
The answer long term is hovercrafts!
Well, not only did I have a laugh, I learned something completely new.
When I worked repairing diesel engines , sub- PSP10 was a 'BIG DEAL' for airborne particulate.
Looks like everyone was 'barking up the wrong tree' if tyres are putting that much more particulate of that size and smaller into the air.
Very interesting
Good point. I keep hearing about modern pollution requirements for diesels causing increased fuel consumption and decreased engine life. I don't think anyone can argue against decreased reliability and increased maintenance requirements and for what? Turns out it pales into insignificance compared to tyre wear.
@@avid6186 All the anti pollution crap on new vehicles are what's causing them to become highly unreliable and prone to expensive repairs. Rather drive an older Japanese shitbox, and escape all the shit. ☺
Wait for little diapers to be fitted to your tires.
I think it is important to also consider what the health impacts of different types of particulates are, e.g. crystalline silica is is far worse than sawdust. I don't have any info about tyre particulates vs diesel particulates though.
In the war between platitudes and physics, physics is undefeated.
This is why I love your programs, love the content and FACTS.
From Wikpedia "Tire-derived fuel (TDF) is composed of shredded scrap tires. Tires may be mixed with coal or other fuels, such as wood or chemical wastes, to be burned in concrete kilns, power plants, or paper mills. An EPA test program concluded that, with the exception of zinc emissions, potential emissions from TDF are not expected to be very much different from other conventional fossil fuels, as long as combustion occurs in a well-designed, well-operated and well-maintained combustion device.[1] " So apparently burning tires for energy if done right is about as bad as burning coal.
Probably less radioactive
Rides escooter to summernats wearing a p2 mask. Everyone's a winner!
Thanks John, great episode.
WOW! ... this was a good one John ... hear, hear! ...
Loving the content recently.
Any chance of continuing the narrative with regards to your watch collection?
Loving the detail that you gave us with your moon/NASA watch acquisitions.
Any chance of shooting light on the rest of your time pieces?
Proper recycling of tyres needs to be sorted, as you say its a massive waste issue. And in the mining industry it's not just tyres that are an issue, there's also conveyor belts that sit around for years after they have been changed out. We've recently changed one of our overland conveyor belts at work which is around 10km long (5km long belt but need to factor in the return run), that took around 10 rolls of belting and each one weighs around 23tonne. But all this is just one waste stream, there's many more different types of waste out there that just doesn't get reprocessed because the solution is too hard or it's just cheaper to make shit from new materials. We can't keep treating our finite resources as if they where infinite.
What does it matter if we use the last barrel of oil or a future generation has that privilege?
@@clives4501 the point is about dealing with our waste products and polluting our environment and not so much about using the raw ingredients
I heard a rumour that old tyres are being used in the blast furnace as a coal substitute to make iron.
The best part is ... the old steel belted radials blend into the new iron being produced.
They're also often added to cement kilns as an extra source of fuel.
An excellent report which I have shared extensively…
A number of enlightening points made here, and thanks for the heads up on the reality of living with tires in our world. While all of this is a bit of a worry wrt cars and light commercial vehicles, they surely pale to insignificance, when you next get to follow a B Double heavy haulage truck down the highway at cruising speeds on an interstate trip. I mean, just count up the number of wheels. Makes a valid case for choosing a car with a pollen filter, and keeping that filter changed regularly. Not sure it will actually filter out all the particles, but it will surely get a good percentage of them.
It's partially why I'm Europe they run super single tyres instead on trailers.
Or change less regularly to try and get the smaller particles
Very interesting topic JC
Thank you.
About 15 years ago I met a guy who is a highly qualified mechanical engineer who had developed a process that converts tyres into a product that has extremely long chain carbon polymers. This means the product can be used to produce plastic products such as bumper covers and door cars and dash boards etc. The benefit of this goes beyond just the ability to produce plastic products because the carbon chains are so long and have such a strong bond that it can be recycled over and over without losing its molecular integrity. At that time he had sold the rights for a company in South Africa to build a processing plant. If what he told me is true, and I have no reason to think otherwise, then this process is something that needs to be looks at seriously.
100% agree. Also, I have aways wondered where tyre wear goes, seems like some of it is inside me. If a tyre wears and losses 3 kgs of Weight in its life time, just imagine the trillions of particals each tyre produces.
Well, Bridgestone hgv tyres are taken back and remolded into new hgv tyres. They strip the rubber and re use the carcase. Saves some energy/materials I suppose.
Great vid John, 5 stars.
Remember how many years we were all dutifully separating our garbage so our recyclables could be recycled. Then we found out it was going to China. Then China said "no more" and it went to landfill.
So many policies are just feel good ideas
Turns out I once met a tyre recycler, he made the news once. I wanted a 4 barrel manifold, a friend knew a bloke, met him at a servo…could’ve been dodgy, might have been legit. Anyway there was a nice shot from a chopper of the yard with mountains of tyres.
I googled him after I made that comment, turns out he made the news more than once. Those tyre fires are a real pesky business.
Infinite fire for the kids to roast their marshmallows.
One of the best uses I've seen for used tyres, is mechanical concrete, look it up, how many dirt roads do we have in Oz ? Summernats anyone?
Good tyres I never realised how few were recycled. I was under the assumption they used a higher % which was being used for road surfaces. How wrong was I.
12:17 Have you seen the Summernats burnout contest? If normal driving causes this bad pollution, what does a burnout contest do to the health of te People going there?
Thinking about Inconvenient Truth. Lots of issues with the book/film, but agree with the premise that you can't have 7+ billion people on this planet along with all the stuff those people want without an impact. There are improvements that can be made, sure.
Well said John… 👍🍻
I know work has been done on using tyres in steel production in place of coal. That does not mean they are made environmentally friendly by any stretch but it would save mining more coal and burning it so it would have to be a net reduction in Co2. The other area that recycling tyres was tried in was road surfacing and again the tyres took the place of the virgin fossil fuel component in the asphalt. The main argument that the industries concerned made against both of these was it costs more to do it. It was cheaper to use virgin fossil fuel material in the processes mentioned than recycle the tyres. That is the main problem with recycling, in general, we don't factor in the end-of-life costs of products into their production costs. No politicians would have the intestinal fortitude or ethical consciousness to do it and the business sector would be even less inclined to act " for the good of the planet".
Managed to share to my Facebook then opened your review there and got full screen on the iPad…
hi Where do all the race car tyres go to . Surely the tyre suppliers have this sorted . Yes I do like v8 racing .
John this is a really pertinent question I am subscribed and waiting patiently for your answer
Just guessing you won’t be too keen on just printing green stickers
I am back from Perth and COVID came with me ... Missed your vids ... coz I couldn't figure out the TV in the Hotel .....
How many drinks to make into the Jupiter 2? Sounds like a fun game.
Just as well the mining industry did bury their old tyres.
Because not too long ago they dug them up again because of the lack of availability and the show had to go on.
And the other side of things is the carbon is still locked in a relatively inert form underground instead of being burnt or using even more carbon to so-called recycle the tyres.
its all BS, i got charged $38 when i bought new tires for 'recycling' the old ones
@@elliotoliver8679 That it is.
I always ask for the refund of the disposing of the tyres and take them home.
Don't ask me WTF I do with them after.
Ask no questions, get told no lies.
Well said ScatManAust.
If I opened the video in UA-cam from here on Facebook, the link to your video is lost. But a return to FB got it back….
Perhaps environmental design makes him a landscape gardener.
Several years ago, there was a process on ABC's New Inventors show that claimed to be able to 100% recycle old tyres. I don't know what happened to that.
John. I dips 'me' lid to you on your fluorocarbons and sodiumhexoflourophosphate analysis. .....
But you know words are opposite to actions. The polluting industries spend more telling everyone how clean they are. I think opposite to adds and am pretty spot on these days. Sugar drinks = fat unhealthy, oil = mass extinction etc
Why isn't tyre resol/ retread a popular option in cars while it's pretty common in bus/trucks? (Please ignore the grammatical errors). Can you do a video on tyre retreading?
Retreading car tires used to be common here (NZ). After having a blow out, which was a complete non event by the way, I decided it was better to pay a little more for new tires. Cause, an old degraded case that in hindsight wasn't fit for retreading. Truck tires have a bad habit of loosing recaps. How do I know this, well I've had it happen a couple of times myself and more to the point, if you keep your eyes open when diving you will often see the evidence on the side of the road. Just guessing here, but I suspect that the engineer that designed the tire originally, or more likely his bean counter boss, didn't want to add the expense of over designing the tire case. In an ideal world, end of life for the tread should also be approaching end of safe life for the casing?
Very well presented truth bombs
Add the tyres to clean coal which you burn, Australia. Collect the metal after and recycle that.
You need to Make one specific to “GREEN” Steel
You are right, we should be giving the awards to companies that find ways to make their products recyclable into something useful. Replacing 1% of your product with recycled plastic is a contribution but not award worthy. Finding a way of using tyres to make new road surfaces, insulating materials, and other useful products in a reasonably energy efficient manner is award worthy. Unfortunately most recycling isn't energy efficient, creating huge amounts of CO2 either in energy use or in the actual recycling processes, and produces end products that do not cover the cost of the recycling process. Government subsidies for recycling (e,g. recycling batteries) is a sticking plaster that might be able to bootstrap new technologies but is not sustainable in the long term. Ideally tyre manufacturers would find ways to use old tyres in the manufacture of new ones but doing this safely is non trivial.
Trouble with having this sent to me via Instagram it suggests opening in the App then stupid UA-cam always wants to update , which I do, then it leaves you hanging what next.. watch what nothing offered. Managed to get to UA-cam somehow and it wanted me to sign in with Google, OK it remembers me but then came back wanting user name and password.. I give up… John, do a review of this…
All manufacturers must be able to handle their products at the end of their life. Easy to say, but much harder to enforce. Especially if the company has since ceased operating.
Very easy to say but not only hard to enforce but also quite hard to do for many products
You’re great
I wonder if that means we will start seeing silicone tires soon
Silicon never tires, just like rust never sleeps....
In Scandinavia PET bottles are returned.
So one saves them, get the return on the bottles/cans, which are then recycled to make more bottles, for the drinks industry so from that point of view continental's statement is BS.
Have you look at what is happening in the European countries when they invested heavily on renewables???? Yes old people are going to die in the winter from lack of heating and food. Do you want to see this happening in Australia?
Jolly good comment. Too many lefties and greenies - they haven't got a clue.
Don't the "elite" want this ? After all, the biggest consumers (the useless eaters, ie us) are causing all the problems.
I loved the Olights (bought 3 for the whole family). The only problem i personally find that the magnetic tail cap attracts a lot of machining chips / filings and switch on while in the pocket. I realize it when I feel the heat of the flashlight through my coveralls. Does anyone have any solution for it? Hate losing battery power when not intented.
TPU slip on cover - I have one on my Warrior mini?? Or you could use a finger cot.
*losing.
Quick, fix it before he sees!
@@labourlawact7826 correction appreciated.
@@akhileshwartsila ☺
Yes quite annoying - especially working around a drill press or anywhere steel has been drilled. Just got to blow out the end cap with compressed air regularly (if you have access to a compressor).
How much more are the EV tires polluting than the liqud fuel tires?
Good point. EV's eat tires for breakfast!
Tesla model X weighs 2509 kg (with the biggest battery), Toyota Land Cruiser weighs 2700 kg. So depends a lot on the EV and the fuel vehicle being compared. Also have to consider the type of tyre, an all terrain tyre usually wears faster than a road tyre, and within road tyres a 'sticky' compound used on a sports car tyre will wear faster than an eco tyre.
Love Olight products thanks for enlightening me thanks Sir John
We need some tyre fired energy plants asap Albo!
Don't waste your time reaching out to Albo. With any luck he won't be in power too much longer.
Here in England, my car's tyres only last half as long because the inside edges get worn out by speedhumps! 😡
It always killed me how they mandate a catalytic converter that takes out 0.x grams out of the exhaust, then a tire loses 20lbs.
A couple of points I’d love clarity from you / your sources on JC…
- you talk about particulates as worse than emissions in terms of human health & I don’t doubt that is true, but what impact do these particulates have on our global warming issue? Are they better or worse than CO2 or Methane or are they relatively harmless in this regard? The report from Emissions Analytics was sorely lacking in this critical point.
- energy density of a material would be a good measure of the intrinsic value of a substance. Your assertion that it’s hard to unlock this is unfortunately not true - burning unlocks this energy and is very cheap… just not particularly environmentally friendly! The key is finding a cheap environmentally friendly way of unlocking the energy!
Keep up the good work!
Shunk Works - Engineers to the Gods
Nice T-shirt.
Regarding the research my question is was it to save the Planet or save them money? I suspect the latter.
"This is the sort of nonsense up with which I shall not put", probably a great video, but after your comment about split infinitives, I ended up just googling split infinitives and ending sentences with a preposition. Both of which show your age, these haven't been enforced, or taught in schools in the early eighties. But then I still hit the space button twice after a full stop.
Everybody should double space at the end of a sentence. Perhaps that could be encouraged by rewarding correct use of the space bar with carbon credits.
Hey John! Note of concern - I don't think this "Emission Analitics" report is good enough for you to quote it. Look into it. I've heard different story: ua-cam.com/video/PA9v3xAqjKs/v-deo.html
I'm not EV evangelist, I've just bought a 2022, 55mpg(lpg) subcompact, but I look into BEV technology and would appreciate your deeper dive into "tires' emissions"
Eveready Batteries, EcoAdvanced battery they got a sham award in 2016 claimed they were going to use 40% recycled cells today no only 4% of recycled materials.
I always get a laugh when watching your vids John and am grateful for it. I always learn something as well. I had to wait 15 mins for my laugh in this vid. Your bullshit factor on explaining this tyre making fiasco is outstanding. I can't believe continental would try it on. Are they that hard up for good press?
Mum used to say and I paraphrase here, "blown your own horn and it ain't worth a damn". You have proved that point.
I have never thought about the amount of stuff coming off tyres into the air. I would guess many others as well have not thought about it. Thanks for the continued education. Oh yeah and laughs.
We had a saying in our group "Self praise means f#ck all".
I believe that tyres can be shredded and used in bitumen road surfaces.
Just Googled asphalt. OMFG. 80% of it is the crude oil dregs from the arse end of the oil refining process.
Question: How many barrels of oil does it take to lay one sq metre of asphalt on the road, 10cm thick?
Answer: Volume of asphalt, 100cm x 100cm x 10cm = 100,000cc. Thats 100 ltrs. So 80ltr of oil. Do the math to work out how many litres per 100m of paved road which is usually 20cm thick.
Tyers burn and generate a lot of smoke (carbon) why Arnt the used to make steel?
Or burnt in such a way to generate electricity.
And recycling of wind turbines and solar panels
Let's talk about heavy machinery tyre. Tractor, dump truk, wheel loader,... Any big slow thing on wheels can have his tyre rethreaded safely 5-10 times... And especially rich countries don't do that. It's money saving and environment saving at the same time. It should be mandatory by law to rethread tractor tyre few times before ends up in some big hole in earth. It's slow thing with big tyre, if one explode nothing bad will happen. Because it's slow. if it's start leaking air quite fast, like you can hear it from distance that 8 mm hole... Tractor have like one hour to think about solving that tyre leaking air problem.
Love the shirt John!
Me too! Is that a skunk?
I'm a bit less than ten minutes in, but I can't contain myself.Where do you think the tread on your tires goes? It doesn't just cease to exist. It's not teleported gradually into another dimension full of, lost oil, missing coolant, and "it just started grinding". Your exhaust gasses aren't the only thing contaminating your environment.
More/better public transport, would go a long way toward cleaning up our act, like it or not.
Edit: After watching, Yeah, that.
The tyre particles go where diesel particulates go after being processed by the DPF....
I found a way of recycling tyres. Using nothing more than an item easily found in a Bunnings hardware store, and a tree, I can recycle a tyre into a fun children's toy.
The planet doesn't need saving, it's quite happy to exist with or without us. It's been uninhabitable to human life for far longer than it's been habitable - we just need to concentrate on keeping it suitable for us.
But...but....but....Climate Change !!
What about recycling of PV solar panels and the carbon fibre blades of the wind turbines?
Shoulda just burned it all up front, right?
Recycling tyres would maybe take a lot of reliable power via the grid? Bit exxie here innit?
So a green future takes us back to the white 19teens Ford Model T Tyres with no carbon black.
Takes us back to caves.
AHH yes
on the matter of tyres.
Until such times we have a meaningful and practical method of recycling tyres, WE SHOULD BE BURNING THEM. Not overseas, right here in Australia.
Back in the late 80's or early 90's, (memory fades), I was installing a sound system in a power station training room.
In the process I got into a very interesting discussion with THE power station engineer.
In the weeks and months prior, there had been heated discussion about burning general waste in converted power stations, there had also bee some loud noises when a very large illegal tyre dump was found and the whole tyre waste issue was raised.
Our friendly engineer said that he had "done some figures" because his power station had a maximum of 20 years of coal supply left and government had asked him to investigate the matter.
HE SAID, burning general waste could be done and relatively efficiently, BUT, general waste was a low grade energy source and it required significant processing before it could be burned.
HOWEVER, he said with confidence, that his power station, could with little or no modification burn tyres AND by his figures would produce less emission ( especially particulate) and tyres where more energy dense than the high grade black coal he was burning every day AND the steel would be recovered in the process.
The only practical problem is there would only be sufficient waste tyres in Australia to support a hand full of tyre fueled power stations.
But like so many things, the whole idea of burning tyres is unpalatable .... so mean while we poison the ground by burying them or create massive fire and vermin hazards by stockpiling them OR burn fuel sending them overseas where they will be burned by a dirty process..
I guess coal fired power plants already have exhaust scrubbers to deal with all the sulfur in the coal, so tyres aren't an issue either.
@@nerd1000ify Most coal in QLD is low sulfur type, that said all modern civilised coal power plants have exhaust scrubbers and has been so for decades.
Yeh the gist of the discussion was that tyres where cleaner to burn, in pretty much every way than coal.
A lot of the exhaust bi-products from power stations are recovered and sold.
Fly ash in particular is sold to the cement industry.
Your lack of tolerance for bullshit is a breath of fresh air. Keep it up.
The lefties, greenies, do-gooders and other useful idiots are NOT gonna like this.....
Ware on tyrers, very high partical content to the air we breathe.
Another sorce that I have seen, in first person, the use of what to do with this PCBs , mix it in the tar,mac (25 year ago).
It has good stiffness properties at hi temperatures. You may like to put your cheek against the road mid summer to, 1 see if its hot, 2 sniff the sweet aromatics leeching 3 wonder why its not that an unpleasant a smell. (Acid + alcohol) = ester.
"That is recycling to death" as imicro particals go down the drain or into thin air.
We are our enemy's enemy . Vent please, and the skunk.
Cheers John
I have 2 Olight items on the way - I hope they are as good as you say as I dropped over $200 on them lol. I tried to get the Baton 3, but it would not let me add it for some reason
In NSW Zombie knives are a prohibited weapon, lucky Zombie torches aren't 😆 The Yanks used the zombie phenomenon to encourage people to be prepared, whereas in the lucky country we go straight to we must ban it 🙄
The diesel, Hydrogen, Battery powered buses driven like sports cars around our towns must be wrecking our lungs and brains from the tyre particulates….
Where have we gone with the weight of cars in general? 3 first generation Ford Fiestas weigh about the same as 2 fifth generation. Cars have always got heavier, regardless of fuel. It has to reverse. Smaller, more efficient, lighter cars. Not more and more SUVs.
3:33 video starts
Governments having some idea of environmental impacts of tyres and batteries, that's a dream. My assumption being that they are as scientifically illiterate as the masses, not just here but globally.
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I recently aquired 4 continental tyres and now I'm a little concerned . .
Great great info, just maybe not the goldy locks rubber particles that your lungs absorb directly into your bloodstream and can also pass through the blood brain barrier- I’m going to need a citation in that one. I’m all for information sharing, but let’s not slip into fear inducing broad language
You would think that Gina would be right into making more profit with all of the used Tyres in her industry.
They’re only interested in ending the weekend, not saving the environment.