Thank you Peter. I always wondered why these were better than a simple 5G receive antenna mounted on a router… Looking under the hood I clearly see the tuning and quality that make this $400 antenna something to seriously consider. 💪💯😊
Antenna elements that are not attached to anything are usually parasitic elements (that help focus the signal for more gain I think). Thank you for doing this! I was very curious about their product.
The non-connected elements are considered parasitic elements. The operate as em shields, at least by my understanding, in regards to the mimo side of the system, many would think they just rotated all four directions, but that is incorrect. Even though there are 4 antenna, the top two have a horizonal identical orientation, while the bottom two have a 90 degree rotated orientation to the top two, however they again are exactly oriented to eachother. So there's only 2 orientations in this 4x4 mimo - and this is thanks to the parasitic elements (working in tandem with the ground plaine) providing an effective shield to the adjacent antenna. If you take a direct down over view, and duplicate and then flip the image, you can actually see on the active element (with proper transparency levels) where there are gaps in the overlay, and if you happen to measure many of those gaps you get very interesting lengths such as 28-30 mm, 45 mm, etc. And those gaps happen to be the 1/4 wavelength of n41, n66, etc. Which is the magic that grants these awesome antenna very massive ranges of frequency that are so specific to the 5g bands.
@@PeterC408 Yup! Parasitic Reflectors are passive, they help shape the active signal. For example, on a Yagi Antenna, usually only one of the rods going across the antenna is powered, the rods forward on the antenna shape and condition the signal before it hits the driven element. With those elements over the center (the square ones), those are passive as well, again designed to shape the signals incoming in a certain fashion. Funny thing is my antenna I have is a 2x Mimo "eifagur" branded one I got on Amazon 3 years ago. The elements almost look identical to these . I do like that Waveform is US based and pretty good quality, and communicate with the community, but they're absolutely making a killing with these. I don't know who was copying who on the design, but at this point they've definitely paid for the design, and it hasn't changed much in 3+ years.
After getting my 4th gen tablo I think the dvr has an hdmi/secret port because when i was inspecting the network data to try and grab the m3u8 streams of my channels.
Yes I post it here because its a video of taking stuff apart and I´d like to see a teardown of a tablo 4. I'll post about the stream on a tablo video@@PeterC408
Interesting! Do you have the Newest Waveform QuadPro 4X4 Antenna? If so could you do this type of Video for that and see if there are any key differences between them inside? I doubt there would be much of a difference because Waveform told me it's not worth Upgrading if you already have the Legacy that they call it now but it would still be interesting to see if there are any differences between them inside.
@JoshF151Tech It's literally a connector change. They changed from type N-connectors to SMA connectors. The rest of the design is completely the same. Now the radios that's where things are different take a look at the ones where I compare them head to head ua-cam.com/video/OKXc3GRHVkg/v-deo.html
works as long as theres a signal... if the signal is too week then youd go for a high gain antenna,, yagi grid or log.. check your operating frequency...it might give you half the speed but at least youll be getting something
Good morning... I'm confused...if I have a D-Link Router...one antenna to get Internet from my provider...how I'm going to connect this quad unit which has 4 cables....??? Thanks
Humm. This is a 4x4 MIMO antenna. It's not really for your D-Link Router (although WiFi frequencies do overlap those of 5G, so it might give you better WiFi performance). This is for a 5G Internet modem. If you get Internet over Cable, this is not for you.
@@PeterC408 *_I would suggest thinking off a way for them to grasp it while also providing the correct information. Don't be to proud to accept criticism._*
@@Cotten- People understand sound waves because we can hear the difference and we understand that sound propagates differently based on frequency. You've heard someone's BASS coming from their car before, but seldom do you hear the Trebble. Higher frequencies travel faster but they don't travel as far and they don't penetrate things. That's a perfect analogy for radio waves. Don't be too proud to admit you just learn something.
@@PeterC408 *_Believe me when I say that I love to learn. Unfortunately for a short period I had began to develop resentment towards trying to learn anything new, once I had graduated school only to find out most of what I had been taught was all factually incorrect. I promised myself that I would always do my best to pass on useful, accurate information. I will stop and cut that story short unless you know where to find a serial violinist?_* *_Light also has all the same analogies that you just used and more. People understand light because that's how they see. They understand heat ( infrared light.) because they can feel it even though our human eyes are unable to see it directly. Are you telling me that people are unable to comprehend the microwave or MRI Machines. Radio waves are use the ER to create detailed images of the body by bouncing radio waves around with some magnets. Do you think your audience members are something other than human being's with a brain?_* *_They can comprehend the infrared light in their remote controls or like the radio waves that get sent to their garage doors, or car doors._* *_Or maybe the coolest example of them all, which is the super detailed images we can take from space using radio "LIGHT" waves by bouncing them off the Earth's surface, while simultaneously measuring the minuit differences in length from object to object. All because radio waves or "LIGHT", is AWESOME! Oh, and light is super fast! To be exact those Radio Waves or Light Waves are traveling One-Hundred-Thousand and Eighty Six Miles Per Second. I hope you learned something back._*
That would be like weighing a trumpet and looking up the price of brass to assign its value. This is one of the very best performing antennas I have seen. The price of the piece you see here is $199 but the full kit with 30ft low loss cable, mounting hardware and TS-9, N, IPEX and SMA connectors is indeed $399.
Thank you Peter. I always wondered why these were better than a simple 5G receive antenna mounted on a router… Looking under the hood I clearly see the tuning and quality that make this $400 antenna something to seriously consider. 💪💯😊
Very good antenna. Lot of work inside. Very interesting parts and shapes.
Incredible video brother. Thanks for sharing. Keep the videos coming. Interesting video. Hope you have an incredible night. Much love and RESPECT
Antenna elements that are not attached to anything are usually parasitic elements (that help focus the signal for more gain I think).
Thank you for doing this! I was very curious about their product.
Yes, I believe they call these passive rectifiers and they do exactly that, help focus the signal for gain
Great video. Thank you.
You bet! Glad you liked it.
The non-connected elements are considered parasitic elements. The operate as em shields, at least by my understanding, in regards to the mimo side of the system, many would think they just rotated all four directions, but that is incorrect. Even though there are 4 antenna, the top two have a horizonal identical orientation, while the bottom two have a 90 degree rotated orientation to the top two, however they again are exactly oriented to eachother. So there's only 2 orientations in this 4x4 mimo - and this is thanks to the parasitic elements (working in tandem with the ground plaine) providing an effective shield to the adjacent antenna.
If you take a direct down over view, and duplicate and then flip the image, you can actually see on the active element (with proper transparency levels) where there are gaps in the overlay, and if you happen to measure many of those gaps you get very interesting lengths such as 28-30 mm, 45 mm, etc. And those gaps happen to be the 1/4 wavelength of n41, n66, etc. Which is the magic that grants these awesome antenna very massive ranges of frequency that are so specific to the 5g bands.
Their engineers called them passive reflectors. Pretty cool design
@@PeterC408 Yup! Parasitic Reflectors are passive, they help shape the active signal. For example, on a Yagi Antenna, usually only one of the rods going across the antenna is powered, the rods forward on the antenna shape and condition the signal before it hits the driven element.
With those elements over the center (the square ones), those are passive as well, again designed to shape the signals incoming in a certain fashion.
Funny thing is my antenna I have is a 2x Mimo "eifagur" branded one I got on Amazon 3 years ago. The elements almost look identical to these .
I do like that Waveform is US based and pretty good quality, and communicate with the community, but they're absolutely making a killing with these. I don't know who was copying who on the design, but at this point they've definitely paid for the design, and it hasn't changed much in 3+ years.
excelente saludos desde Colombia
Thanks. My favorite 5G antenna right now is from Brazil (Columbian Distribution).
After getting my 4th gen tablo I think the dvr has an hdmi/secret port because when i was inspecting the network data to try and grab the m3u8 streams of my channels.
I like this topic but wish it was on the right video. If you know of a way to grab those streams, post it on a video talking about TabloTV
Yes I post it here because its a video of taking stuff apart and I´d like to see a teardown of a tablo 4. I'll post about the stream on a tablo video@@PeterC408
Interesting! Do you have the Newest Waveform QuadPro 4X4 Antenna? If so could you do this type of Video for that and see if there are any key differences between them inside? I doubt there would be much of a difference because Waveform told me it's not worth Upgrading if you already have the Legacy that they call it now but it would still be interesting to see if there are any differences between them inside.
@JoshF151Tech It's literally a connector change. They changed from type N-connectors to SMA connectors. The rest of the design is completely the same. Now the radios that's where things are different take a look at the ones where I compare them head to head ua-cam.com/video/OKXc3GRHVkg/v-deo.html
works as long as theres a signal... if the signal is too week then youd go for a high gain antenna,, yagi grid or log.. check your operating frequency...it might give you half the speed but at least youll be getting something
No doubt. If you are in the boonies, you are not looking for n77 or n41 but more like n71 or even b12 (you should always take your vitamins).
You need this outdoors…. These are TERRIFIC!!! …. The internals are VERY very different than other products out there…
Good morning... I'm confused...if I have a D-Link Router...one antenna to get Internet from my provider...how I'm going to connect this quad unit which has 4 cables....??? Thanks
Humm. This is a 4x4 MIMO antenna. It's not really for your D-Link Router (although WiFi frequencies do overlap those of 5G, so it might give you better WiFi performance). This is for a 5G Internet modem. If you get Internet over Cable, this is not for you.
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*_It's not sound waves. It's radio waves, which are a type of light wave._*
They're waves you can't see. Understanding that helps people grasp the subject and understand the challenges.
@@PeterC408 *_I would suggest thinking off a way for them to grasp it while also providing the correct information. Don't be to proud to accept criticism._*
@@Cotten- People understand sound waves because we can hear the difference and we understand that sound propagates differently based on frequency. You've heard someone's BASS coming from their car before, but seldom do you hear the Trebble. Higher frequencies travel faster but they don't travel as far and they don't penetrate things. That's a perfect analogy for radio waves. Don't be too proud to admit you just learn something.
@@PeterC408 *_Believe me when I say that I love to learn. Unfortunately for a short period I had began to develop resentment towards trying to learn anything new, once I had graduated school only to find out most of what I had been taught was all factually incorrect. I promised myself that I would always do my best to pass on useful, accurate information. I will stop and cut that story short unless you know where to find a serial violinist?_*
*_Light also has all the same analogies that you just used and more. People understand light because that's how they see. They understand heat ( infrared light.) because they can feel it even though our human eyes are unable to see it directly. Are you telling me that people are unable to comprehend the microwave or MRI Machines. Radio waves are use the ER to create detailed images of the body by bouncing radio waves around with some magnets. Do you think your audience members are something other than human being's with a brain?_*
*_They can comprehend the infrared light in their remote controls or like the radio waves that get sent to their garage doors, or car doors._*
*_Or maybe the coolest example of them all, which is the super detailed images we can take from space using radio "LIGHT" waves by bouncing them off the Earth's surface, while simultaneously measuring the minuit differences in length from object to object. All because radio waves or "LIGHT", is AWESOME! Oh, and light is super fast! To be exact those Radio Waves or Light Waves are traveling One-Hundred-Thousand and Eighty Six Miles Per Second. I hope you learned something back._*
Makes you wonder why they are so expensive!
It's engineering.
Not much hardware for $400.00 bucks.
That would be like weighing a trumpet and looking up the price of brass to assign its value. This is one of the very best performing antennas I have seen. The price of the piece you see here is $199 but the full kit with 30ft low loss cable, mounting hardware and TS-9, N, IPEX and SMA connectors is indeed $399.
On prime day and Black Friday you can usually get them for around $135
You can't easily see R&D costs.
@@timmturnerOr the mathematics and precision mechanicals involved.
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