5/7/18 UPDATE: Oculus Chief Scientist, Michael Abrash, now says he probably *undershot* his predictions for Gen. 2! This is amazing and exciting news! Source: www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/8hotqt/michael_abrash_on_his_2016_prediction_that_high/
Technology can accelerate if there is a demand and there is a large investment rolling in to make it happen. Still, I wonder how far humans can push displays to have more resolutions as much as possible? It gets harder to shrink each pixel at some point unless you want to rely on some illusion to warp the pixels together.
I don't think there is anything physically limiting the progression of displays, its more so a matter of finding cheap and effective ways to manufacture and power them. AMD has said their target for future graphics cards is 16K res w/ 240Hz refresh rate. 8K displays are starting to become a thing as well and display manufacturers spend millions each year in R&D. It's likely VR will move to OLED microdisplays or some sort of retinal projection in the future either way.
This is great but my biggest problem with VR has always been the availability of good VR content. We could have the perfect tech but it doesnt matter if all the games are all awful.
I'm a Vive owner and I recently got into VR about a month ago. I don't care what company does what and who's better. I'm just happy that VR is constantly improving and becoming / became a thing. That's all that matters to me. Keep up the good work!!
Thanks for the props and I completely agree with you! I'm glad to see Oculus is truly trying to innovate instead of just increasing the resolution every x number of years.
Exactly! VR was something back then that was only imagined and seen in movies, and now its real!!! and with the current available Vive and Rift, Its immersive! I am excited that its going further and further!! This is my childhood dream turned into a reality!!! and still improving!!!
Yep! Hopefully this prototype inspires HTC, Sony, and other companies to match or surpass these features. Either way the consumer wins because VR is being pushed forward!
CooleoBrad exactly. just like the fight of gaming consoles and the fight of smartphones with oculus fighting for the top spot and htc getting dethroned the cycle will begin. and new additions like sony that you mentioned will jump in to fight for their own slice. thus the competition only gets stronger
holy crap, as a current Oculus user, I'm extremely excited about this. That full face tracking and body tracking are going to bring us so freaking close to Ready Player One
If you're interested in Tech similar ot Ready Player One, check out Hapt-X they have working prototypes of gloves that let you feel/restrict your hand closing when picking stuff up.
I started gaming heavily back in the early 2000’s and have tried everything there is to offer in the gaming world. I never have tried VR until 3 days ago when I picked up an oculus. Basically I’ve never been so blown away at a new piece of gaming tech in my life. This is for sure the future of gaming and media in general. Hopefully support stays strong for VR.
Sephiroth, welcome to the party brother! Coming later works out for you too, as there's loads of great stuff to experience/play now! From social experiences like VRchat of Uganda Knuckles fame, to living an action movie in Superhot VR, or zombie movie in Arizona Sunshine... I personally spend far too much time inside racing sims, Assetto Corsa, PCars2, and iRacing (I hear) all have excellent VR modes.
Rather than waiting for the Half Dome, Im going to buy the Oculus on Amazon right now as well as buying the Half Dome when that comes out. 50 years from now when all of this becomes advanced and the new norm, I want to say I was involved from the (somewhat) beginning.
Honestly, with the remarkably rapid improvement in VR technology, we may have some stuff in less than 15 years that causes VR to become almost entirely indistinguishable from reality. So much hype for Rift 2! I own a Rift already, and I am totally willing to put in the bucks if this comes out within a year or two.
This popped up on my recommended feed and I was honestly expecting a low quality slideshow vid with some stock music. This is well put together with decent info. I like that you don't do the stupid clickbait thing with the over excited voice we see everywhere. I'm subscribing ps- maybe it's just me but I was doubting your channel at first glace as cooleobrad has no capitalization in it. CooleoBrad seems more legit :)
I too was a bit hesitant on the name, agree it looks better with some capitals. The vid exceeded expectations as I found it quite informative and good voice. Gonna check out more and prolly sub
All I can say is that HTC needs to step up their game. The Vive Pro is basically the Samsung Odyssey with full hand tracking for more than double the price. 3x the price if you get it on sale like I did for $400
The Vive Pro is most of all HTC completely murdering the quite big lead & good name they had in the VR community up until that point, its a vive 1.5 without controllers or tracking stations, for more then the initial price point of the first (complete set) Vive, they're absolutely insane, i get how its for business use or whatever but then just dont even try and sell it to normal consumers and advertise it left and right as the new & improved Vive, we instead want a proper new headset, not a re-release at a ridiculous price @Harry1203: First off im getting more and more skeptical about that LG headset, where is it, expected to have heard from LG about it by now after the months of rumors. Also Valve actually designed most of the hardware on the Vive, they pretty much gave HTC a complete picture of how to make it (similar to how they have done for Oculus with the DK1 before the whole Facebook ordeal) and then HTC used their own screen sources and production lines, but yea, the (hardware) design is like 90% Valve. They dont appear to take a cut for hardware sells btw.
I wouldn't worry about it, once one Headset Manufacturer releases new specs designs and ideas, the other Headset Manufacturer buys one, takes it apart, examines it and goes "ahh that's how they do it" then design their own version of that design, its good for us as consumers because it keeps both companies going and a bit of competitiveness keeps them on their toes to keep making it better.
we should be glad that virtual reality is a thing of multiple companies that are trying to compete this means it will always improve on a fast level i like it currently i sadly cant afford a vr headset but in a few months i hope i can get one
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I have the current headset and I must say, it's actually just amazing! I am super excited about a higher spec headset. Hand/finger tracking, varifocal and a slightly higher res display will just make this immersion out of this world! In regards to "timescales", I am in no hurry.... I'd rather it came in 5 years with a jump worth jumping to!
I’m more of a Vive man myself but I still like oculus. This makes me want to buy this when it comes out. HTC will have to top this if they want me to buy another vr system from them.
Valve makes money on Oculus Rift by taking cut from every sold game on Steam. They didn't even want to make their own headset, because it's very hard to make money on hardware margins. This is why they were sharing all their VR research with Oculus. They changed their mind when Facebook acquired Oculus and created their own ecosystem starting with Oculus Store on GearVR - a competing digital store is a threat to Steam's income, not hardware on its own.
A complete Vive Pro package, with headset + controllers + lighthouse basestations, costs $1400. Even *more* with 2.0 controllers & basestations. Oculus will leapfrog the entire industry hard for the next few generations. No other company is dedicating as much resources into the singular focus of VR.
They can still use higher rez screens with a larger fov without killing a gpu. Because with eye tracking they can introduce foveated rendering now right!?
Yes hopefully that will be the case and it will be effective at 4K. John Carmack said in 2016 on foveated rendering, "Today, it might be a net negative due to rendering additional views. It will only be critical with much higher resolution displays." There is foveated rendering in Oculus Go and Batman Arkham VR implemented foveated rendering as well, so hopefully Gen 2 VR will have this as a feature. Part of it is support in GPUs as well, I think Nvidia's 10 and maybe 900 series supports this, but not any AMD cards to my knowledge.
For this shit? Rather wait till end of this year for pimax 5k+ or late/early 2019/2020 pimax 8k X. 5k + : 200FOV, 2560x1440 per eye, 90hz, same and even more better features even oculus 2 wont have. 8k X: same es 5k+ but 4k per eye. 8k X will simply screw every todays and upcomming headsets for at least 3 next years or it will even hold up till 3th Gen headsets gonna be released. And all of this just for 900USD (8k X) for full package (700 for 5k+). Why so cheap for such performance? Its not a big brand, because then it would costs around 3k USD! Simply dont always trust and looking for big brands like apple because then you mostly pay for just the brand, not performance :)
I just got into VR fully this month and I'm blown away at how far the technology has matured. I'm thoroughly impressed but immediately observed room for improvement. Thankfully much of what I thought could be done was already considered for the next release. I eagerly look forward to R2 for Occulus - especially in the area of fully body tracking. I hate having to employ a hack just to achieve this effect in vrchat and other avatar socially driven VR media. I can only imagine what the technology will look like 20 years from now. Probably a silver of tinted glass driven by membrane technology to simulate actual eye behavior.. caching on the headset, and zero controls other than a haptic suit to feel what's going on in VR.- SAO here we come :)
Pixel density is the big thing for me. I want the next vers to have much less fly screen. I use it purely in a race simulator and the flyscreen effect hurts the whole experience. I really couldnt care less about the controllers i much rather just have a single button on the side for passthrough and less screen door thatll do me. Go oculas keep this acceleration going but please send someone over to nvidea to get a card out to drive this thing at 90fps otherwise its triples and more waiting.
Good video. One aspect of the vari-focus display is that it (probably) makes the design of the lenses better/easier, as they don't need to work simultaneously across the whole screen - they can re position the screens to appropriate place.
Resolution seem a lot more important to me than field of view and blurring of close/far objects. I would really like to see the screen door effect diminished with a much higher focal point first.
Sounds awesome! Had a blast with my DK2, having a blast with my OR now, looking forward to even more awesomeness in the future! VR is DEFINITELY going to just get better and better... :D
Not gonna subscribe because I’m not really interested in the channel content, but that was a good, well researched video! Thanks for making it, you earned that like.
Its mind blowing to think that future pixels could be small eanough that you don't have a screen door effect in VR. There is a very bright future for vr
Not just no SDE(screen door effect), display tech should get good enough to display the actual human eye resolution(16K per eye roughly) within VR in the next 25 years.
As a Vive owner, these look amazing, glad that there's real competition going on between the two brands with fairly different solutions to the same goal of improving VR. Look forward to seeing what Vive's next steps will be, guess the ball in in their court now.
I would like to see 4x more resolution on the screen. I returned current oculus back to store because of shitty resolution. This is what I did not expect. I could see every separate pixel, even the grid under the pixels, medium text is barely readable... I would pay twice more, but give me a good product.
I think we will see at least 4x the resolution on 2nd Gen headsets and likely HDR. The HTC Vive Pro is 3x and it's still current gen. However... if we want 4x greater pixel density using these optics the resolution will need to be we will need closer to a 6x resolution increases because of the 40% bump up in FOV.
I don't want this to happend because then i feel like im outdated and the experience could be better = me getting the newer version = me losing a ton of money
There is constantly going to be something better around the corner in the tech industry, at some point you just have to say screw it and enjoy what's currently out.
CooleoBrad *Wrong!* Kinect has a normal camera and infrared camera, it calculates depth between them to help isolate the human from the background, this task becomes trivial if the human is standing in front of a static solid background like in the video. Kinect would perform great if you stood in front of a static solid background even if it didn't have 2 cameras. Notice how shaky the recognised skeleton is even while the human performes simple to cruedly recognise poses and doesnt perform something like shooting a bow, playing chess or violin. This Oculus skeleton demo didn't improve💩! It's a cheap ploy for uninformed at best and a scam at worst.
Still not seeing how my comment is wrong. The tracking shown here doesn't use an infrared camera (less parts = cheaper than Kinect) and is also much lower latency than Kinect. In addition, this is all being run on a smartphone. Therefore it is *not* the same tech as Kinect. The skeleton is shaky because this is merely a proof of concept showing what Oculus is working on, this can easily be smoothed out with a low-pass filter on the data stream as the tech nears a consumer release. The tasks you mention, "shooting a bow, playing chess, playing violin" will likely be able to be detected by combining this tech with sensors/cameras on the headset itself in the future. This isn't a scam or a ploy considering nothing is being sold and nothing shown is a dishonest representation of their progress. Some more info here: ua-cam.com/video/VESlZP1GZcQ/v-deo.html and perhaps clips I should have also included showing off 3D body tracking that looks very promising as well.
I’m hoping these will start having some type of sense gloves in them eventually, something that lets us feel the things we touch in game and possibly even lock in to place when we do grab something so it actually feels like we touch it. Also the blink tracking makes me really hope for a Doctor Who weeping angel game, imagine actually having to keep our eyes open to survive the game
I've heard everything from 90 to 110. At F8 Maria said current VR headsets are ~100 degrees so I just went with that number. Either way, the FoV increase is a substantial improvement.
Doesn't the spec sheet of the rift say 110 degrees? 95 degrees seems too low to me. It could be the fov of a single lens but the total fov is larger than that because the overlap is not 100%.
No, its approx. 95! Oculus repeated their original spec number while steadily reducing FOV through DK2 and CV1 to negate the screen door effect everyone was complaining about.. Nate Mitchel has said the CV1 is around 100 and in the above video Maria confirms 100 - even though analysis has put it at 95.
I'm so glad they're not rushing it. Rather to release a late great product than to release a shitty, new product. Take your time people. Give us something special!
This document does not demonstrate anything, there are just as many research opinions on purpose. I have a Rift and I feel great (I tried both Vive, Gerar)
As a gen 1 oculus owner CV it pleases me seeing the continuing advancements that are being put into VR. The controllerless feature and improved body tracking I think would be the biggest imersion step to bring people into Vitural Reality
Not exactly. The tracking Oculus does there is both cheaper and lower latency than the Kinect. Also its done using only a traditional camera instead of a mix between an IR camera and traditional one like the Kinect. Oculus's tech is being run off of a smartphone as well.
"Run off a smartphone." That's the crazy part. I watched Kinect grow from it's "Natal" stage.. it was incredible to watch. Now that it's dead, it's nice to see that sort of tech continue!
i'm pretty resistant to motion and vr sickness, but there's some stuff... that really hits hard. this one rollercoaster ride for vive made me exactly the same kind of dizzy as ... well, this fucking thing: ua-cam.com/video/5ykTmFOyuzI/v-deo.html seriously don't take that ride if you're over 25. it's awful. rollercoasters suck. with the vive one i could just close my eyes and recover, but in this you're stuck from beginning to end.
The resolution of the screen couldnt reach that high they mentioned, but I think they could do better on reducing the weight and the wirelessness project and so on...
The hand scan controlling is amazing but if you don't put on gloves then I prefer holding controllers even if it works flawlessly. Because then I'm touching something when I grab stuff and not just the air.
hmmm, this is a tough one. On one hand the Oculus is 399/Vive is 499. I'd like to jump on the Rift, but it sound like Gen2 will be a massive step forward from Gen1, but Nate said that "it'll be a while" before we see everything shown at the press'er in a single product. And we still don't know much of anything about the VIVE2.... hmmm I really want to get in on VR, I have the PC to run it; but is it the right time?
i want the inside out tracking from headsets like Odyssey, with the FoV and resolution of Pimax, and the controllers of rift, that'd be the ultimate VR :D
Didn't expect such quality vid and info breakdown. Got some brains and discipline on u man, otherwise this vid would not exist. Thanks, I'm excited.)) P. S. New subscriber to you'r neurons.
This just shows that vr isn't going away. It's the future. I really hope that they release VR specific systems so that more people have access too it. Think of a console but specifically made for VR. That would be really cool.
Oculus is doing that next spring with Oculus Quest - amzn.to/2CmpiCU , www.oculus.com/quest/! Its a wireless standalone VR headset for $399 and it will have multiple Rift games as ports.
Cool stuff, I think the resolution we be a challenge what with the higher fov because we'll also need the gfx card to power them, all going in the right direction though.
It said on the far left 5 year prediction and showed almost all of the different features they showcased. In this case its probably going to be a 5 year wait.
Can't wait for them to increase the resolution a whole lot more & with the hand tracking this will be good, just hope the improve the tech so you don't need light houses to make it work & that it will do both VR & MR.
Up to you. There are some great games out right now and we will probably see some of the biggest AAA modern VR titles for this generation within the next few years. However if you wait you'll save some $, but also miss out on some great games for a while. I'm sure Gen 2 will be a massive upgrade from the current gen.
Very nice. I ended up with the Rift and Vive. Love the Vive headset and the Oculus Touch. Really liking what I am seeing from the Oculus camp here. I do like the Rift but having a cam to see what's around you on the fly really lets you get into room scale. So far. I really want the next Oculus. Only going with one headset this time.
If you can handle the wait and missing out on some great VR games yet to come, CV2 will probably blow your mind. It’ll also likely require a stronger PC than CV1 so keep that in mind. Up to you honestly, the Rift is at a great price right now imo
5/7/18 UPDATE: Oculus Chief Scientist, Michael Abrash, now says he probably *undershot* his predictions for Gen. 2! This is amazing and exciting news! Source: www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/8hotqt/michael_abrash_on_his_2016_prediction_that_high/
God damn, and here i was thinking the prediction was maybe a bit over estimated, i'm happy now, this is awesome.
Technology can accelerate if there is a demand and there is a large investment rolling in to make it happen.
Still, I wonder how far humans can push displays to have more resolutions as much as possible? It gets harder to shrink each pixel at some point unless you want to rely on some illusion to warp the pixels together.
I don't think there is anything physically limiting the progression of displays, its more so a matter of finding cheap and effective ways to manufacture and power them. AMD has said their target for future graphics cards is 16K res w/ 240Hz refresh rate. 8K displays are starting to become a thing as well and display manufacturers spend millions each year in R&D. It's likely VR will move to OLED microdisplays or some sort of retinal projection in the future either way.
This is great but my biggest problem with VR has always been the availability of good VR content.
We could have the perfect tech but it doesnt matter if all the games are all awful.
+CooleoBrad Yeah but does Michael Abrash know the origin of the VR code he uses was stolen from a CG Forum. LOL
I'm a Vive owner and I recently got into VR about a month ago.
I don't care what company does what and who's better. I'm just happy that VR is constantly improving and becoming / became a thing.
That's all that matters to me. Keep up the good work!!
Thanks for the props and I completely agree with you! I'm glad to see Oculus is truly trying to innovate instead of just increasing the resolution every x number of years.
Exactly! VR was something back then that was only imagined and seen in movies, and now its real!!! and with the current available Vive and Rift, Its immersive! I am excited that its going further and further!!
This is my childhood dream turned into a reality!!! and still improving!!!
Agree. As a Rift owner I get excited bout Vive innovations as well.
It means Rift will have to come with an answer to stay competetive and vice versa.
Loony1979 exactly!!!!
What's better is if more research is done on the human brain to have the mind control a software more accurately.
this is why competition is good for the consumer
Yep! Hopefully this prototype inspires HTC, Sony, and other companies to match or surpass these features. Either way the consumer wins because VR is being pushed forward!
CooleoBrad exactly. just like the fight of gaming consoles and the fight of smartphones with oculus fighting for the top spot and htc getting dethroned the cycle will begin. and new additions like sony that you mentioned will jump in to fight for their own slice. thus the competition only gets stronger
But... Comunism
holy crap, as a current Oculus user, I'm extremely excited about this. That full face tracking and body tracking are going to bring us so freaking close to Ready Player One
Those treadmills actually exist and they're awesome! Just a shame they're damn expensive right now
for full body tracker you just need a kinect modified and a special driver link ua-cam.com/video/-2B5BTmbHXE/v-deo.html
If you're interested in Tech similar ot Ready Player One, check out Hapt-X they have working prototypes of gloves that let you feel/restrict your hand closing when picking stuff up.
Those gloves are pretty cool, they are still a few years out for mass consumer use. the 2020s are going to be very exciting times for VR.
Id say more like 2025-2030
I was born in the right generation
Me too xD
maybe even a bit early, amirite?
I started gaming heavily back in the early 2000’s and have tried everything there is to offer in the gaming world. I never have tried VR until 3 days ago when I picked up an oculus. Basically I’ve never been so blown away at a new piece of gaming tech in my life. This is for sure the future of gaming and media in general. Hopefully support stays strong for VR.
Sephiroth, welcome to the party brother! Coming later works out for you too, as there's loads of great stuff to experience/play now! From social experiences like VRchat of Uganda Knuckles fame, to living an action movie in Superhot VR, or zombie movie in Arizona Sunshine... I personally spend far too much time inside racing sims, Assetto Corsa, PCars2, and iRacing (I hear) all have excellent VR modes.
No, you missed the best music in the 60s 😜
Rather than waiting for the Half Dome, Im going to buy the Oculus on Amazon right now as well as buying the Half Dome when that comes out. 50 years from now when all of this becomes advanced and the new norm, I want to say I was involved from the (somewhat) beginning.
How is your Oculus?
Honestly, with the remarkably rapid improvement in VR technology, we may have some stuff in less than 15 years that causes VR to become almost entirely indistinguishable from reality. So much hype for Rift 2! I own a Rift already, and I am totally willing to put in the bucks if this comes out within a year or two.
FINALLY A VARIABLE FOCUS DISPLAY I, AM, HYPE
This popped up on my recommended feed and I was honestly expecting a low quality slideshow vid with some stock music. This is well put together with decent info.
I like that you don't do the stupid clickbait thing with the over excited voice we see everywhere. I'm subscribing
ps- maybe it's just me but I was doubting your channel at first glace as cooleobrad has no capitalization in it. CooleoBrad seems more legit :)
Wow thanks so much, I appreciate it! Interesting on the coooleobrad vs CooleoBrad bit, I'll have to think about that haha!
Marco van der Merwe same X'D
I too was a bit hesitant on the name, agree it looks better with some capitals.
The vid exceeded expectations as I found it quite informative and good voice.
Gonna check out more and prolly sub
Alright I've changed my name slightly across social media now lol, thanks for the constructive feedback and positivity!
Definately looks more up to par with the quality of the vid. Funny how these little things can make a difference eh, CB? :-)
Keep at it!
All I can say is that HTC needs to step up their game. The Vive Pro is basically the Samsung Odyssey with full hand tracking for more than double the price. 3x the price if you get it on sale like I did for $400
It's not Valve. It's HTC.
It is co developed by valve wich means they have half the earnings so in his defense he can sayn valve or htc
The Vive Pro is most of all HTC completely murdering the quite big lead & good name they had in the VR community up until that point, its a vive 1.5 without controllers or tracking stations, for more then the initial price point of the first (complete set) Vive, they're absolutely insane, i get how its for business use or whatever but then just dont even try and sell it to normal consumers and advertise it left and right as the new & improved Vive, we instead want a proper new headset, not a re-release at a ridiculous price
@Harry1203: First off im getting more and more skeptical about that LG headset, where is it, expected to have heard from LG about it by now after the months of rumors. Also Valve actually designed most of the hardware on the Vive, they pretty much gave HTC a complete picture of how to make it (similar to how they have done for Oculus with the DK1 before the whole Facebook ordeal) and then HTC used their own screen sources and production lines, but yea, the (hardware) design is like 90% Valve. They dont appear to take a cut for hardware sells btw.
I wouldn't worry about it, once one Headset Manufacturer releases new specs designs and ideas, the other Headset Manufacturer buys one, takes it apart, examines it and goes "ahh that's how they do it" then design their own version of that design, its good for us as consumers because it keeps both companies going and a bit of competitiveness keeps them on their toes to keep making it better.
Full hand tracking is important...
we should be glad that virtual reality is a thing of multiple companies that are trying to compete
this means it will always improve on a fast level
i like it
currently i sadly cant afford a vr headset but in a few months i hope i can get one
Look into Oculus Go ($200, no PC required)!
Its a nice way to get a part of the VR experience, just not for gaming
ChickenBob yesss!!!! Cant wait to get my first headset ☺️☺️
Heeeeeeey buddy, guess what's coming out soon? Oculus Quest!!!
So glad they keep improving on it, and that there is a healthy competition in the VR market. The future will be amazing.
Wow, I had no idea that Oculus had all these great improvements in store! Great vid! Thanx.
Regardless of all the VR cynicism floating around everywhere, Oculus are doing amazing work. Can't wait.
now I'm toooo hyped.
Me too!
Great video! You deserve way more subs!
Thank you so much!
By the way. Uploading frequently and following everything that UA-cam Academy (free courses from UA-cam) advises does the trick. Between 2012 and 2018 I gained 19K subscribers. This year it suddenly went from 19K to 66K in a couple of months because I upload more and make more videos about popular subjects.
You should make more educational videos. You're very good at it. I accidentally clicked your video's thumbnail and I watched every second of it. I already forgot what I was looking for. :D
Wow thanks so much for the advice! I definitely want to make online content and livestreams a bigger priority and time investment for me, as it is now I treat it more like a hobby and make videos whenever I feel inspired. Appreciate the feedback on my tutorial/educational videos, they definitely tend to do the best out of all my uploads. I'll look into UA-cam Academy and best of luck with your continued channel growth!
I have the current headset and I must say, it's actually just amazing! I am super excited about a higher spec headset. Hand/finger tracking, varifocal and a slightly higher res display will just make this immersion out of this world! In regards to "timescales", I am in no hurry.... I'd rather it came in 5 years with a jump worth jumping to!
I’m more of a Vive man myself but I still like oculus. This makes me want to buy this when it comes out. HTC will have to top this if they want me to buy another vr system from them.
Personally I like the camera tracking for body movement this video hints at.
Excited to see what they will turn new Oculus in. Everytime they starts with those prototypes and the final product gets improvements
If Oculus can have this cost around the Vive pro then Valve is in big trouble
yeah honestly the vive pro is nice and all but its overpriced as hell
and if it's going to cost as much as the oculus we have now valve is going to be in biiiiig trouble
Valve makes money on Oculus Rift by taking cut from every sold game on Steam. They didn't even want to make their own headset, because it's very hard to make money on hardware margins. This is why they were sharing all their VR research with Oculus. They changed their mind when Facebook acquired Oculus and created their own ecosystem starting with Oculus Store on GearVR - a competing digital store is a threat to Steam's income, not hardware on its own.
A complete Vive Pro package, with headset + controllers + lighthouse basestations, costs $1400. Even *more* with 2.0 controllers & basestations.
Oculus will leapfrog the entire industry hard for the next few generations. No other company is dedicating as much resources into the singular focus of VR.
Valve doesn't actually make the Vive, HTC does. Valve just makes the software and you can use a Rift with SteamVR if you want to.
They can still use higher rez screens with a larger fov without killing a gpu. Because with eye tracking they can introduce foveated rendering now right!?
Yes hopefully that will be the case and it will be effective at 4K. John Carmack said in 2016 on foveated rendering, "Today, it might be a net negative due to rendering additional views. It will only be critical with much higher resolution displays." There is foveated rendering in Oculus Go and Batman Arkham VR implemented foveated rendering as well, so hopefully Gen 2 VR will have this as a feature. Part of it is support in GPUs as well, I think Nvidia's 10 and maybe 900 series supports this, but not any AMD cards to my knowledge.
@MrUnboxerMan It isn't for nothing. Gen 2 will come out eventually. Oculus has talked about updated Half Dome 2 and 3 prototypes at Oculus Connect 6.
The background music tells me that the future is now! ;-)
Synthwave FTW!
CANNOT WAIT TO BUY THIS!
Same here!
Same here too!
same here that's why I sold my oculus cv1
i fear you'll have to.
For this shit? Rather wait till end of this year for pimax 5k+ or late/early 2019/2020 pimax 8k X. 5k + : 200FOV, 2560x1440 per eye, 90hz, same and even more better features even oculus 2 wont have. 8k X: same es 5k+ but 4k per eye. 8k X will simply screw every todays and upcomming headsets for at least 3 next years or it will even hold up till 3th Gen headsets gonna be released. And all of this just for 900USD (8k X) for full package (700 for 5k+). Why so cheap for such performance? Its not a big brand, because then it would costs around 3k USD! Simply dont always trust and looking for big brands like apple because then you mostly pay for just the brand, not performance :)
I just got into VR fully this month and I'm blown away at how far the technology has matured. I'm thoroughly impressed but immediately observed room for improvement. Thankfully much of what I thought could be done was already considered for the next release. I eagerly look forward to R2 for Occulus - especially in the area of fully body tracking. I hate having to employ a hack just to achieve this effect in vrchat and other avatar socially driven VR media.
I can only imagine what the technology will look like 20 years from now. Probably a silver of tinted glass driven by membrane technology to simulate actual eye behavior.. caching on the headset, and zero controls other than a haptic suit to feel what's going on in VR.- SAO here we come :)
Damn, my respect for Oculus as a company is back! Now pressure is on HTC if they want to sell any future headsets
Looks like Zuckerberg is working out for them after all.
Thumbs up for the CV2!
M A C H I N E L E A RN I N G
Thanks Brad. Very useful info.
Very good video.
Thanks!
Great video. Thanks for the run down.
Pixel density is the big thing for me. I want the next vers to have much less fly screen. I use it purely in a race simulator and the flyscreen effect hurts the whole experience. I really couldnt care less about the controllers i much rather just have a single button on the side for passthrough and less screen door thatll do me. Go oculas keep this acceleration going but please send someone over to nvidea to get a card out to drive this thing at 90fps otherwise its triples and more waiting.
Good video. One aspect of the vari-focus display is that it (probably) makes the design of the lenses better/easier, as they don't need to work simultaneously across the whole screen - they can re position the screens to appropriate place.
all i want is peripheral vision and wireless. then its sold
Resolution seem a lot more important to me than field of view and blurring of close/far objects. I would really like to see the screen door effect diminished with a much higher focal point first.
SAO here we come!!!
Sounds awesome! Had a blast with my DK2, having a blast with my OR now, looking forward to even more awesomeness in the future! VR is DEFINITELY going to just get better and better... :D
Not gonna subscribe because I’m not really interested in the channel content, but that was a good, well researched video! Thanks for making it, you earned that like.
Lol wow
Its mind blowing to think that future pixels could be small eanough that you don't have a screen door effect in VR. There is a very bright future for vr
Not just no SDE(screen door effect), display tech should get good enough to display the actual human eye resolution(16K per eye roughly) within VR in the next 25 years.
in 2023 I can buy the oculos rift cv1 in Brazil, here it costs 2 thousand dollars lol
Caves Tuto not true you can find it now in mercado libre for around 550 dollars(3000 reais) check it out.
I will sell you mine for 200$ - 150$ if the Gen 2 comes out lol
As a Vive owner, these look amazing, glad that there's real competition going on between the two brands with fairly different solutions to the same goal of improving VR. Look forward to seeing what Vive's next steps will be, guess the ball in in their court now.
when full dive.
Deserve more subs. Keep up the good work brother.
Thank you! I appreciate that.
I would like to see 4x more resolution on the screen. I returned current oculus back to store because of shitty resolution. This is what I did not expect. I could see every separate pixel, even the grid under the pixels, medium text is barely readable... I would pay twice more, but give me a good product.
100% agree!
I think we will see at least 4x the resolution on 2nd Gen headsets and likely HDR. The HTC Vive Pro is 3x and it's still current gen. However... if we want 4x greater pixel density using these optics the resolution will need to be we will need closer to a 6x resolution increases because of the 40% bump up in FOV.
Try out the Samsung Odyssey. It has the resolution of the Vive pro and is about as much as the Oculus
Fully agree! I could see the RGB cells inside the pixels.
Same! I returned the Rift and got the Vive which going from the Rift the day after I returned it was so much better.
This looks more advanced then the oculus quest im amazed a refreshed with this
I don't want this to happend because then i feel like im outdated and the experience could be better = me getting the newer version = me losing a ton of money
There is constantly going to be something better around the corner in the tech industry, at some point you just have to say screw it and enjoy what's currently out.
cooleobrad wise words
1:47 The skeleton tracking is the same tech as kinect from xbox 360 on a fixed distance and on solid background no less.
Not true. This tracking is done using just a generic camera as opposed to the depth sensor on Kinect.
CooleoBrad *Wrong!* Kinect has a normal camera and infrared camera, it calculates depth between them to help isolate the human from the background, this task becomes trivial if the human is standing in front of a static solid background like in the video. Kinect would perform great if you stood in front of a static solid background even if it didn't have 2 cameras.
Notice how shaky the recognised skeleton is even while the human performes simple to cruedly recognise poses and doesnt perform something like shooting a bow, playing chess or violin. This Oculus skeleton demo didn't improve💩! It's a cheap ploy for uninformed at best and a scam at worst.
Still not seeing how my comment is wrong. The tracking shown here doesn't use an infrared camera (less parts = cheaper than Kinect) and is also much lower latency than Kinect. In addition, this is all being run on a smartphone. Therefore it is *not* the same tech as Kinect. The skeleton is shaky because this is merely a proof of concept showing what Oculus is working on, this can easily be smoothed out with a low-pass filter on the data stream as the tech nears a consumer release. The tasks you mention, "shooting a bow, playing chess, playing violin" will likely be able to be detected by combining this tech with sensors/cameras on the headset itself in the future. This isn't a scam or a ploy considering nothing is being sold and nothing shown is a dishonest representation of their progress. Some more info here: ua-cam.com/video/VESlZP1GZcQ/v-deo.html and perhaps clips I should have also included showing off 3D body tracking that looks very promising as well.
I have a fov of 50 and only can see at 30fps. ^_^
The human eye can only see at 24 FPS
Witherleader I have superhuman vision though.
+MobileDecay Ah fair enough, makes sense now
Levitate 2 wooosh
I’m hoping these will start having some type of sense gloves in them eventually, something that lets us feel the things we touch in game and possibly even lock in to place when we do grab something so it actually feels like we touch it. Also the blink tracking makes me really hope for a Doctor Who weeping angel game, imagine actually having to keep our eyes open to survive the game
Rift's FoV is 95 degrees, not 100.
46% wider FoV.
I've heard everything from 90 to 110. At F8 Maria said current VR headsets are ~100 degrees so I just went with that number. Either way, the FoV increase is a substantial improvement.
Doesn't the spec sheet of the rift say 110 degrees? 95 degrees seems too low to me. It could be the fov of a single lens but the total fov is larger than that because the overlap is not 100%.
Nope, there is no spec sheet for the Rift, never was.
its 110 idiot...its on oculus site dumbass
No, its approx. 95! Oculus repeated their original spec number while steadily reducing FOV through DK2 and CV1 to negate the screen door effect everyone was complaining about..
Nate Mitchel has said the CV1 is around 100 and in the above video Maria confirms 100 - even though analysis has put it at 95.
Two questions: when is this supposed to come to retail?
And what min computer specs needed?
ready player one
Maybe in another 30 years.
I'm so glad they're not rushing it. Rather to release a late great product than to release a shitty, new product.
Take your time people. Give us something special!
Rift=110° FoV not 95. Don't read Troll=Heaney
Kryus Real wrong. Here's proof: doc-ok.org/?p=1414
This document does not demonstrate anything, there are just as many research opinions on purpose.
I have a Rift and I feel great (I tried both Vive, Gerar)
The Rift is great, yes. But it's FoV is 95 degrees. That means it has great angular resolution, but it's a fact that it has a 95 degree FoV.
If the google cardboard has a 90 degree FOV, then there's no way the rift is just 95. I have both and the difference is much more than just 5 degrees.
Google cardboard probably has less than 90 in reality. The Rift is definitely not more than 100 and general analysis has suggested it is around 95.
I'm reading the book called "ready player one" which is also a movie and this totally feels like the OASIS with the face tracking!
As a gen 1 oculus owner CV it pleases me seeing the continuing advancements that are being put into VR. The controllerless feature and improved body tracking I think would be the biggest imersion step to bring people into Vitural Reality
1:48 for Kinect demo.
Thank you. I had to scroll for a while to find anyone comparing this to kinect.
Hah, I did the same thing before I wrote it!
Not exactly. The tracking Oculus does there is both cheaper and lower latency than the Kinect. Also its done using only a traditional camera instead of a mix between an IR camera and traditional one like the Kinect. Oculus's tech is being run off of a smartphone as well.
"Run off a smartphone." That's the crazy part. I watched Kinect grow from it's "Natal" stage.. it was incredible to watch. Now that it's dead, it's nice to see that sort of tech continue!
Lots of quality information. Very educational video, thanks.
Props for a high quality video!
Thank you very much!
so will the new one fit a pair of glasses?
Amazing , one word question. When ??????
Optical tracking allows for exponentially higher resolutions of the panel but only rendering required density where your eyes are pointing.
The controllerless use of hands sounds amazing.
Great so,at what point does it just lock into my nervous system so that I am the controller and the headset and the headphones?
Higher resolution?
YES PLEASE!
Maybe then i can land those sick long range snipes with the crossbow in Skyrim VR ;D
Ok, I am going to need to know the music playing around 4:30. It sounds awesome!
Martin Landh - Racing Hearts 1
Great video helped explain a lot of new things that I missed
That hand tracking is insane.
Will we need n3 controllers and sensors when it comes out or can we just buy the headset first
I'm looking forward to this VR stuff getting better and better. A few more years and I'll be seriously looking into purchasing some. Hopefully...
With each new generation the previous one will also become cheaper as well so keep that in mind!
My heart was syncornized with the music beat
I'm so excited! The Rift 2 seem so unbelievable
1:37 Whats that game?
I don't get motion sickness much in real life, but its so bad for me in VR that even watching a video talking about VR makes me feel it lol
i'm pretty resistant to motion and vr sickness, but there's some stuff... that really hits hard.
this one rollercoaster ride for vive made me exactly the same kind of dizzy as ... well, this fucking thing: ua-cam.com/video/5ykTmFOyuzI/v-deo.html
seriously don't take that ride if you're over 25. it's awful. rollercoasters suck. with the vive one i could just close my eyes and recover, but in this you're stuck from beginning to end.
I can't wait....this sounds dope...
I was going to be getting a rift this may, should I still get it?
Awesome vid, I am very EXCITED about the rift now. 2019-2020 is going to be bloody awesome ;)
The resolution of the screen couldnt reach that high they mentioned, but I think they could do better on reducing the weight and the wirelessness project and so on...
Great video and very helpful info.
Thanks for the positive feedback!
The hand scan controlling is amazing but if you don't put on gloves then I prefer holding controllers even if it works flawlessly. Because then I'm touching something when I grab stuff and not just the air.
hmmm, this is a tough one. On one hand the Oculus is 399/Vive is 499. I'd like to jump on the Rift, but it sound like Gen2 will be a massive step forward from Gen1, but Nate said that "it'll be a while" before we see everything shown at the press'er in a single product. And we still don't know much of anything about the VIVE2.... hmmm
I really want to get in on VR, I have the PC to run it; but is it the right time?
i want the inside out tracking from headsets like Odyssey,
with the FoV and resolution of Pimax,
and the controllers of rift,
that'd be the ultimate VR :D
Didn't expect such quality vid and info breakdown. Got some brains and discipline on u man, otherwise this vid would not exist. Thanks, I'm excited.))
P. S. New subscriber to you'r neurons.
Wow that's an incredible compliment, thank you so much! Appreciate the sub and feedback!
I'm hyped, I just need a motion rig for my sim racing setup
This just shows that vr isn't going away. It's the future. I really hope that they release VR specific systems so that more people have access too it. Think of a console but specifically made for VR. That would be really cool.
Oculus is doing that next spring with Oculus Quest - amzn.to/2CmpiCU , www.oculus.com/quest/! Its a wireless standalone VR headset for $399 and it will have multiple Rift games as ports.
Is it it like ready player one
Far from it hah, but certainly taking us closer to that point!
Improve it guys, thats what really move us forward in future.
so when will they release this? Also you deserve more subs! Thank you!
Cool stuff, I think the resolution we be a challenge what with the higher fov because we'll also need the gfx card to power them, all going in the right direction though.
well i just wanted to buy a rift within the next 3 months so should i just wait?
you can do the full body tracking its called the kinnect
Sure but this is a cheaper, lower latency, more accurate, less parts version that runs off just a smartphone
Does it have inside-out tracking?
I hope they create a 'long sigted' option, as I can see things further away much better that up close
It said on the far left 5 year prediction and showed almost all of the different features they showcased. In this case its probably going to be a 5 year wait.
Can't wait for them to increase the resolution a whole lot more & with the hand tracking this will be good, just hope the improve the tech so you don't need light houses to make it work & that it will do both VR & MR.
Should I Go ahead and buy generation one now or wait 2+ years.
Up to you. There are some great games out right now and we will probably see some of the biggest AAA modern VR titles for this generation within the next few years. However if you wait you'll save some $, but also miss out on some great games for a while. I'm sure Gen 2 will be a massive upgrade from the current gen.
Thanks
yo i just bought the rift youre telling me ima have to buy another vr headset and wont get like a kit for the one i have now? lol
Great video man
Thank you!
Very nice. I ended up with the Rift and Vive. Love the Vive headset and the Oculus Touch. Really liking what I am seeing from the Oculus camp here. I do like the Rift but having a cam to see what's around you on the fly really lets you get into room scale. So far. I really want the next Oculus. Only going with one headset this time.
thats so awesome, now i truly dont know if i shuld w8 for cv-2 or buy now a cv-1
what du u think ?
If you can handle the wait and missing out on some great VR games yet to come, CV2 will probably blow your mind. It’ll also likely require a stronger PC than CV1 so keep that in mind. Up to you honestly, the Rift is at a great price right now imo
blinkinng mechanic?
SCP:CB (unity ver.) VR comfirmed?