Why? Both can be true at once. It was potentially institutional racism. The jury examined all the evidence and made their decision based on that. I don’t see a problem here.
@@jujutrini8412 It should never have been allowed to go to trial, there was never sufficient evidence to warrant this, as the very quick acquittal shows. Waste of taxpayers money, all because the IPCC and CPS were terrified of the backlash for making an obvious decision.The cost has been huge to the taxpayer as well as the procedure to the individual. And the same people who try and start a moral panic about institutional racism would quickly dismiss instantly any claims of anti semitism.
He was a violent gangsta and career criminal. The mother of his child had a restraining order against him for his violence. Thank goodness the courts showed some common sense.
@@AdrianBourneArt he was using his car as a battering ram when armed police showed up because of a shooting that occurred in the same car the day before, completely justified, the victim mentality here is actually hilarious, should of just held his hand out of the car right?
@@chriskinge9917 “he was using his car as a battering ram” - active language “armed police showed up” - passive language “completely justified” - You’re leaving out “they boxed him in with a hard stop.” The Cops created the dangerous situation they “had to” shoot their way out of, genius. Is that how the UK meats out justice? If you commit a shooting yesterday, you get ex€cuted the next. Seems pretty medieval to me.
@@chriskinge9917 “he was using his car as a battering ram” - active language “armed police showed up” - passive language “completely justified” - You’re leaving out “they boxed him in with a hard stop.” The Cops created the dangerous situation they “had to” shoot their way out of, genius.
At 2:57 the story this utterly incompetent, (or he thinks other people are donkeys, or he is) he presents Somerset case as a normal possibility - is a total nonsense !, it is absolutely impossible to replicate, in Somerset it was a luck and absolute incompetence by Police in protecting themselves and colleagues etc; anyhow it in any case, it isn't repeatable, it isn't according to any logic or a law. Some anecdotal case can't be a norm, yes sometimes all sort of things happen.
At 2:57 I do not understand what is his point, his point is that +- some things are possible? may he say how it can be possible for sure 100%? really, safely all the time - and if it won't go this way is he willing to be charged for the consequences?
I don't care what colour you are, if you hear someone yelling "armed police" and you're surrounded by flashing blue lights, you do as you're told...self preservation..
At least Kaba's pregnant girlfriend, who had a restraining order on him, can rest assured that she and the baby will not be beaten up by him in the future. Every cloud.........
Always the case and usually followed by protests, riots, flame throwing and looting. Face facts people: Britain we have a problem and it's getting worse by the day.
It’s about the policing procedure. It is not about whether he was a criminal. What if it was an innocent person? What if it was his cousin or his brother driving his car. Wrong person would be dead.
@@blaqueruby4946 Maybe the cousin should not be the get away driver for a criminal who shoots and stabs people and who’s own ex girlfriend has a restraining order against him, tired of certain group of black ppl playing the victim card and not taking accountability for anything they do and just blaming everything on racism the law doesn’t work that way unfortunately you play with fire you will get burnt a police officer job is to protect the public not gang members who terrorise their own area and get rated as “men” when in reality their scared lil boys
As a black man.....I have no sympathy here.....He was a known criminal who was running away from the police despite a gun being pointed......if he was innocent he would have stopped.....We have to choose our battles but this is not one of them.....leave this to the family involved as its a personal matter
@@13thnotehifireviews7 maybe not but the car was known to the police from a shooting night before. A 80k car that I may add, not being registered also doesn't help anyone who drives the thing.
This isn't a Black Vs White issue. This isn't a Right Wing Vs Left Wing issue. This is a Right Vs Wrong issue and everyone should agree with the officer over those who support criminality.
Why is when a black man is stopped or tragically killed its nor because they was possibly involved in a crime or about to commit one is immediately a racial hate stop ...
It's because racial hate towards blacks is so rampant so that even when some of them engage in illegalities people hastily attribute it to racial abuse.
It's honestly sad. Then the families and other perpetual victims try to complain and say their lives are deemed worth less than white lives by society. Like, a black criminal dies by cop and suddenly the world stops. A white guy dies by cop and it probably doesn't even make the news. Which life is worth more? I just don't get it.
As a black person completely disagree with this race view, this interview doesn't reflect my thoughts whatsoever and I think that's true for most black people.
i didnt know much about the case I read he was an aspiring architect and a good family man so I thought police had unlawfully killed him so I was stunned to find the copper was found innocent but when you finally hear the truth he was a violent criminal....he just took the wrong path..........
You’ve kissed the point of the argument. Police shot because of the car. They did not know who they were shooting. Policing is about checking the identity, bringing the person in and charging them via trial. Could have been anyone driving the car
As a black person i am mistrusting of the police BUT i watched the footage i dont think it was inappropriate if the dude was getting out and they shot him then its bad he continued to try and ram his way out you gave the officer a decision to make its tragic that he died but i wouldnt stick an officer in jail based on what i saw the guy on the panel is making every excuse rather than just being honest if you fear for your life you do what an armed officer tells you you dont start ramming cars
@@SteerCarmerno the police has affinity for abusing their powers on young black men my brother was thrown in jail with no evidence of ever committing a crime it was the usual "he fits the description" line of course he was released the next day no apology I was stopped and searched because someone fitting my description mugged an old white lady. I'd just got out of school 🤣🤣🤣 I have countless stories weirdly none of my white mates have these experiences
@@marianlonge3060 while I agree that the officer shouldn't be jailed I do question the tactics of just following the car he had enough time to make a phone call to say he was being followed so that immediately spreads panic
Why don't they talk about the elephant in the room? Why are so many young Black men turning to gangs and violent crime? Why is this social phenomenon being totally ignored? How is this issue being addressed by the supposed leaders of their community, who turn into zealots and moral warriors when a member of their community is harmed by law enforcement. What are these leaders doing to protect the victims of this criminality, who in the majority, are also members of the same community? Mr Abbey has straw-manned the whole issue. It's not "hard stops" that are the problem, it's violent criminals who are hurting their communities. Stop weaponising race and address the problem!
You don't fire a warning shot or shoot out the tyres of a vehicle with a firearms marker on it. You give the target the opportunity to comply and then neutralise it. These are policies being followed to the letter by the officer. That he ended up in a dock is shameful.
The guy doesnt have a clue what he is talking about and shooting out the tires would not stop the car and does not eliminate the threat of the driver. Also shots into the tires would produce ricochets.
@@kailashpatel1706 Have you seen the video clips? He was given every opportunity to comply but ignored. Shooting out the windows is a ridiculous idea as a 'warning' and that's before even considering that police officers were surrounding the car and members of the public were nearby too. The bullets don't magically stop when they hit the windows. He was not complying and was putting the lives of others at serious risk by his aggresive actions and the car was linked to a shooting.
@@craighart9278 my only problem is whether he is a threat to the Coppers life because he did not comply?..He was boxed in..I agree with you broadly..Yet we don't just shoot people in the UK who resist arrest..
The argument that Kaba might have acted on instinct on the spur of the moment is crazy. When someone shouts "armed police put your hands up" the instinct is to put your hands up. End of.
Don’t blame the police, blame the parenting……no black person ever got shot for complying with police. I love how it gets to the end game and it’s always the police’s fault, Chris Kaba was a gangster…fact, he was in a car that was involved in a shooting….fact, he was using his car as a battering ram….fact. Just comply and complain later if you feel it’s unjust, nobody dies.
@OXD_17 No, actually, that was a decent point. Perhaps counter it with something smart and productive rather than adding 'you bored' and then adding an emoji like you're a twelve year old girl or something.
"no black person ever got shot for complying with police" is factually inaccurate. Comply or don't comply, the chances of being tasered, shot, beaten/restrained, charged/arrested or sectioned by police are vastly higher for people of colour than anybody else, both in the UK and US, despite being a national minority. It's OK if you don't understand or agree with the underlying issues being discussed, but spreading misinformation is harmful.
They refuse to release the statistics but we can guarantee it's going to be just like the statistics of everywhere else in the West. Barbaric cultures imported into civilised ones tend to breed criminality
He's not telling the whole truth. He should give the full details and allow researchers to dig. If you're dragged out of a car and thrown on the ground, everyone in the car. But the time it's all over you know exactly why it happened. He's making out the cops just went quiet and wandered off without explanation. I used to get stopped by the police multiple times a week. I was innocent but I lived in a rough area and rode a moped. They would regularly stop me, stretch or just check the bike over and give me a "7 day wonder" -document producer at a local police station. When I would then have to go to that police station and wait for them to write up the same documents I brought in the week before. Sometimes I would have 3 of these tickets given within 7 days and the poor desk officer would have to write all the document details 3 times. I was innocent every time. Just a young guy riding a legal moped completely legally. Makes you wonder why the police were told to focus on legal youngsters on mopeds which didn't have any red flags on the system. So I too wondered why I was always being stopped. It happened to him once and he thinks it's colour. It happened to me every few days for a year or two. What was that?
This man is trying to defend a violent criminal. Surely the responsibility is on Kaba’s shoulders so if he chose not to comply with the police’s request then that’s his fate. What other choice did the police have?
It's interesting how this is being portrayed as an innocent victim killed solely because of his race. We all saw the footage of him casually entering a crowded nightclub, firing shots as if he were in a film, with no regard for the lives at risk. Imagine walking past the venue or working there-your life could have been irrevocably changed by a stray bullet. Yet, they still wanted a fair decision because they concealed his criminal history from the jury because they didn't want to influence jury's mind. The reality is that Chris Kaba was far from innocent.
Another apologist for black failings, Kaba was a career criminal, Nels Abbey, needs to gather a grip of his reality about Kaba’s past. Thank god for sensible members of the jury.
Read the comments on every video about Kaba. We ALL support the policeman, nobody is defending Kabas actions, so why do we give ppl who do defend him air time. Its not representative of the ppl.
As soon as the guest said he was the subject of a police hard stop and treated incredibly badly as a student, he lost all credibility as someone whose opinion was going to be nothing but biased.
I cant believe what this man is saying. How can he expect the police protect the public when they aren't aloud to do their job. Shame on all people protecting these people
At this stage I don't want to hear about the trauma of young black men getting stopped by the police. I would, however, love to hear about the trauma of police officers who end up being prosecuted senselessly simply for doing their job.
@@prometheus23c 👍🏻 Also the trauma that officers face on an daily basis. There are bad officers, just like bad people in every single walk of life. My thoughts are it seems to be ingrained in society to hate the Police no matter what they do. I do know there are thousands and thousands of officers who put their lives on the line. The family of Kaba should look inwards and reflect on what influence, or lack of influence they had on the path he took.
A career criminal who was a member of a county lines drug peddling street gang was driving a car linked to firearm offences, resisted arrest, led the police on a dangerous chase through the streets, rammed parked cars and attempted to run over multiple officers. It's not that difficult to understand, the vast majority of the British public agree with this verdict and are more annoyed this even made it to court and wasted taxpayer's money.
This guy is completely deluded. He was a gang member that was involved in shootings, drug deals, stabbings, violent behaviour, robberies and much more. He's not just a guy who was driving down the street or somebody pulled over for speeding that got shot. He was a known, very active gang member that was threatening police officer's lives in that moment. If you live by the sword, you die by the sword. That's the lesson. Why was this guy shooting people and using vulnerable people to sell drugs? Why wasn't be an author and broadcaster like this guy? Why did he choose drill rap and roadman culture? He seems like a very well spoken and successful black man, why isn't he asking the question why other men like him are not taking the same path?
How about discussing the death of Peter Lynch in prison ? 61 years old with no known criminal record locked up for years for shouting and holding a sign.
I don’t think this has anything to do weather he was a black man or a white man, he was shot because he posed great danger to officers and was clearly being aggressive towards police and not intending to stop.
He was using the car as a weapon against police and it was reasonable for the police to believe there was a firearm in the car, so it was reasonable for police to believe bullets were about to come of the car. Sometimes you only get one split-second chance to save your own and the life of another. It's a very sad end to a young life, but police cannot be at fault for protecting themselves against possible death.
Uk Street culture is influenced by yardie culture from Kingston Jamaica. This ghetto culture should not be seen as the way black culture is and how all black people carry themselves. It’s negative and it’s breaking lives, hearts, families and children. We as a people need to stand up against it and take responsibility.
9:08 when he’s going on about “did the police make Kaba panic” - it is absolutely ridiculous. The police have a job to do. That does not include treating criminals with kid gloves. Kaba was dangerous. A hard stop was justified. Should they have let him get away and go on to commit more crimes or evade justice altogether? Kaba was a violent man, no one in their right mind would treat such a person with anything other than force. He needed to be stopped, he had endangered countless people’s lives in that nightclub and on the street, and was endangering police officers’ lives. Reality check: this is what happens. Stop whining and making it into something it is not.
He ran around with a gun shooting at people , the car he drove was used with shots being fired outside a school. He needed to be taken into custody and he tried to ram his way through a hard stop....he was a danger then to the Police and the Police knew he was a danger...he lived by the sword and died by it.
This man is clearly a liar. I don’t believe he was part of a hard stop, and if he was I can bet there was a good reason for it relating to some of the individuals he was with in the car, if not him.
This shouldn't even be a discussion, when armed police show up in numbers. Stopping a car thats known to them, you stop. No, guy tried to drive off with force. He was known to be violent in the passed. All cause he's black, the card gets waved around and questioned an armed officer whos specially trained in these sort of scenarios.
I fully agree. But, it's good to remember that there are also several cases where biased has been acted on. And it's that, that always creeps it's head intimidating situations like this
I have been in a hard stop, white guy and my dad was driving white man. We were in a courtesy car, and the car had been involved in armed Robberies. 6 armed police men surrounded the car with guns, we stopped and followed the instructions of the police. Within 25 mins we was on our way safely.
I have been living in Britain for the past five years, and no police have stopped me illegally. Whenever I see a police officer, I see them with a smiling face. I completely disagree with the racism narrative.
You do not understand the history of racism in the country. You can easily look up cases like Stephen Lawrence, the Guildford Four, the Tottenham Three, etc and others to find out the history of racism within the British police force. You have only been here five years so you can’t know what black people have suffered over the decades leading up to now. That kind of memory does not leave people easily.
@@jujutrini8412 I used to live in Finland, where racism is very prevalent. My wife and I were once spat at, and we frequently heard the phrase “satana,” which means “satan.” It’s a stark contrast to Britain, which feels like a friendly and welcoming society. In this case if he had complained to the police, I doubt it would have escalated this far.
@@johntilton I know non white people in this country who have had racist graffiti scrawled on their door, who have had dog faeces put through their letterbox because of their race, who have been shouted at in the street with racist slurs, who have been thrown in the back of a police van, called all kinds of racist names and beaten up then dropped off far from home with no mention of a crime having ever been committed, who have been lied about in court (using false quotes and language that they thought a Jamaican person would use even though the person wasn’t even Jamaican!) by the police and the judge even telling the police they know they are lying so the case being thrown out, I could go on and on. Racism exists in the police force in this country as well as in society. If you want to ignore it that is entirely up to you. I am in no way saying that this country is the most racist country on earth. I know it isn’t. But not being the most racist country does not mean it is not racist. Racism does not have to be straight to your face name calling either. The racism that people faced in the fifties, sixties and seventies etc is in no way like it is now. Things have improved a great deal since then but racism has not completely disappeared and it still affects people’s lives. However, the windrush scandal only happened very recently and I know people who were deported from their own country, where they are legal citizens, simply because of their race.
Black bloke here at the start wanted to brush quickly past why he was stopped in his car, when he was a teen! Not specific. There would have been a reason but he won’t divulge I can guarantee.
@@leedouglas1692 there would have been a reason and he refuses to tell us. If it was a routine stop then so be it. That’s called pro active policing. White peoples get pulled over also, but don’t go on about it too all and sundry.
System is broken?????? I agree. The fact people fail to consider the consequences of their actions is the fault of ……the government. Have children one after another when the parents can barely look after themselves….. blame the government. Ram a police vehicle and get shot…… blame the government. Whatever the problem is……. blame the government. Under no circumstances should you ever take accountability of your own actions. The government are always to blame.
How is the system broken? If you are told to get out of the car x100 by ARMED police and refuse to do so then I m sorry to say you deserve to be stopped by what means possible.
the gentleman speaking about it being highly confusing is not really taking into account that Kaba absolutely would NOT have been "confused" about why police were surrounding him, since he was a wanted criminal for shooting the night before (as opposed to the innocent man speaking who would understandably have been under extreme confusion and fear)
Attempting to drum up sympathy for violent and career criminals. Presenting them as angels, as wouldbe architects, expectant fathers won't someone please think of the family. That has only done more damage to institutional and race relations in the UK.
Why do people always hint at racism when a black man is shot by a police officer? No one mentions the families Chris saddened, the number of victims he has in his records, I blame the justice system and police for the fact that we have a man like this on our streets. I am also a black man, never I have been stop n searched by the police, if it ever happened I would have stopped and let them do their job. The way the media is portraying this event is startling.
I hate how the media frames this case as potential institutional racism rather than the reality that he was a violent career criminal.
Why? Both can be true at once. It was potentially institutional racism. The jury examined all the evidence and made their decision based on that. I don’t see a problem here.
@@jujutrini8412The UK is institutionaly racist against white people. Complete double standards in this country.
@@jujutrini8412 The problem is it was a political decision to prosecute him based on identitarian ideology imported from USA
You only need to point to 1 institutional racist law on British law books@@jujutrini8412
@@jujutrini8412
It should never have been allowed to go to trial, there was never sufficient evidence to warrant this, as the very quick acquittal shows.
Waste of taxpayers money, all because the IPCC and CPS were terrified of the backlash for making an obvious decision.The cost has been huge to the taxpayer as well as the procedure to the individual.
And the same people who try and start a moral panic about institutional racism would quickly dismiss instantly any claims of anti semitism.
He was a violent gangsta and career criminal. The mother of his child had a restraining order against him for his violence. Thank goodness the courts showed some common sense.
Not at all justified
@@AdrianBourneArt he was using his car as a battering ram when armed police showed up because of a shooting that occurred in the same car the day before, completely justified, the victim mentality here is actually hilarious, should of just held his hand out of the car right?
@@chriskinge9917 “he was using his car as a battering ram” - active language
“armed police showed up” - passive language
“completely justified” - You’re leaving out “they boxed him in with a hard stop.”
The Cops created the dangerous situation they “had to” shoot their way out of, genius.
Is that how the UK meats out justice? If you commit a shooting yesterday, you get ex€cuted the next.
Seems pretty medieval to me.
@@chriskinge9917 “he was using his car as a battering ram” - active language
“armed police showed up” - passive language
“completely justified” - You’re leaving out “they boxed him in with a hard stop.”
The Cops created the dangerous situation they “had to” shoot their way out of, genius.
@@AdrianBourneArt Fully Justified mate
Kaba was a shooter for 67 gang. He wasn't an innocent civilian
Exactly 💯
Just check out some of the drill music under the name of 67.
@@-bretCan hardly call it music
At 2:57 the story this utterly incompetent, (or he thinks other people are donkeys, or he is) he presents Somerset case as a normal possibility - is a total nonsense !, it is absolutely impossible to replicate, in Somerset it was a luck and absolute incompetence by Police in protecting themselves and colleagues etc; anyhow it in any case, it isn't repeatable, it isn't according to any logic or a law. Some anecdotal case can't be a norm, yes sometimes all sort of things happen.
At 2:57 I do not understand what is his point, his point is that +- some things are possible? may he say how it can be possible for sure 100%? really, safely all the time - and if it won't go this way is he willing to be charged for the consequences?
I don't care what colour you are, if you hear someone yelling "armed police" and you're surrounded by flashing blue lights, you do as you're told...self preservation..
Common sense but some don’t seem to have it
Adrenaline. When you’re in a situation like that you don’t know how you’re body will react. It’s fight it’s flight
yea
@@ChosenWun180no it’s turn the engine off and listen to officers commands
@@ChosenWun180Then deal with the consequences. Is what it is.
At least Kaba's pregnant girlfriend, who had a restraining order on him, can rest assured that she and the baby will not be beaten up by him in the future. Every cloud.........
😂😂😂😂
Zero Individual Accountability & 100% Victim Mentality
Always the case
Always the case and usually followed by protests, riots, flame throwing and looting.
Face facts people: Britain we have a problem and it's getting worse by the day.
Not all of us. I like to be reasonable.
@@1norseladWRONG! Not always.
@@mandyharewood886 well obviously not. However it's very often claimed and it pushes a racial narrative that isn't correct.
His actual criminal history has been released now quite a violent career.
He was the suspected gunman who actually murdered a guy the day before, so he was almost certainly a murderer.
I was told he was an inspiring architect and scholar, so you can see how shocked I was to learn his inspiration laid in other directions
Quite, isn't the right word to use.
Hmmm extremely violet did a shooting the week before on camera !
@guypleasier,
😅😅😅
Shocking how talent is wasted, isn't it !
Everybody’s fault but Kaba’s, who incidentally was trying to shoot a black man in a club was that institutional racism?
It’s about the policing procedure. It is not about whether he was a criminal. What if it was an innocent person? What if it was his cousin or his brother driving his car. Wrong person would be dead.
@@blaqueruby4946 Maybe the cousin should not be the get away driver for a criminal who shoots and stabs people and who’s own ex girlfriend has a restraining order against him, tired of certain group of black ppl playing the victim card and not taking accountability for anything they do and just blaming everything on racism the law doesn’t work that way unfortunately you play with fire you will get burnt a police officer job is to protect the public not gang members who terrorise their own area and get rated as “men” when in reality their scared lil boys
Excuse after excuse .. yawn ! ... you dont mess about with armed and dangerous crimnals justice has been served clearly ! @blaqueruby4946
Whatever suits you @@blaqueruby4946
@@blaqueruby4946But ‘wrong person’ would also be breaking the law by not stopping.
As a black man.....I have no sympathy here.....He was a known criminal who was running away from the police despite a gun being pointed......if he was innocent he would have stopped.....We have to choose our battles but this is not one of them.....leave this to the family involved as its a personal matter
Go home.
Thank you for seeing law and "right vs wrong" above tribalism black vs white of black vs police.
That's
Only sensible comment I've read
@@KD-fh1on do U slow down for car crashes?
Anyone who thinks Kaba was not to blame for his own death is part of the problem.
No you are
@@AdrianBourneArt No, you are
@@easy1355 bahahahahahaha
How?
@@AdrianBourneArt Grow up
@@AdrianBourneArtdeserved what he got?
if your known for carrying a gun and the police put there lights on to stop you should stop not try and run a officer over with your car
He was found not guilty and yet there still not happy. Race Baiting
They didn’t know his identity until after he was shot.
Wasn’t he ramming cars & putting innocent people & the police at risk of death ???
Justice has been served.
@@13thnotehifireviews7 as they said the car was used in a gun offence the day earlier
@@13thnotehifireviews7 maybe not but the car was known to the police from a shooting night before. A 80k car that I may add, not being registered also doesn't help anyone who drives the thing.
This isn't a Black Vs White issue. This isn't a Right Wing Vs Left Wing issue. This is a Right Vs Wrong issue and everyone should agree with the officer over those who support criminality.
@@AnthonyD-yy2in We are talking about this case 🙄
This guy just came out with whataboutary
No it’s not. It’s a black vs common sense / functioning society issue.
Why is when a black man is stopped or tragically killed its nor because they was possibly involved in a crime or about to commit one is immediately a racial hate stop ...
It's because racial hate towards blacks is so rampant so that even when some of them engage in illegalities people hastily attribute it to racial abuse.
It's honestly sad. Then the families and other perpetual victims try to complain and say their lives are deemed worth less than white lives by society. Like, a black criminal dies by cop and suddenly the world stops. A white guy dies by cop and it probably doesn't even make the news. Which life is worth more? I just don't get it.
Because everything is now about Identity politics - the guy on the programme is a grifter - that's his living
That’s i i said we’re the evidence that the car was in a shooting the day before
Because it normally is. I mean, you can ignore the statistics if you want to.
Its staggering that the dude on the right is trying to justify what Kaba did.
He’s a joke
He'd probably defend his actions of shooting at the club too
I take it you mean the black dude?
Same education level as Kaba it seems 🤨!
Kaba made multiple bad decisions leading him to that fate, blame gang culture.
THIS. Don't blame cops for stopping criminals. Blame their awful culture for creating criminals at a young age.
he got shot by the popo
He was driving a Audi in London. Lol what did he expect
@@JustapErson nonsense
@@kf2287 How is that nonsense?
As a black person completely disagree with this race view, this interview doesn't reflect my thoughts whatsoever and I think that's true for most black people.
i didnt know much about the case I read he was an aspiring architect and a good family man so I thought police had unlawfully killed him so I was stunned to find the copper was found innocent but when you finally hear the truth he was a violent criminal....he just took the wrong path..........
Well said, gangsters come in all colours, classes & creeds & pray on the communities they live in
You’ve kissed the point of the argument. Police shot because of the car. They did not know who they were shooting. Policing is about checking the identity, bringing the person in and charging them via trial. Could have been anyone driving the car
@@blaqueruby4946yeah it was a random nipping down the shops for a pink of milk...silly sausage
How do you know most think like that?
Seems he wasn't actually a choir boy after all as suggested by his family and supporters. His criminal record is ridiculous.
All sad no more $
Bizarre isn't it. His family must have known his long and violent criminal record would come out, so why all the BS about him being a model citizen?
@vordman my point exactly. And this is going to be sad case time and time after again.
Surely black people can understand why he was shot,if u dont maybe that's the problem
I remember when people lived by the law of the land
@@user-im2te2fg9ythey seem to dismiss any wrong doing from kaba,I hope his people learn but I doubt it
@@user-im2te2fg9yYou do NOT remember a time when every single person lived by the law of the land. That time never existed.
I for one do understand.
She didn't say every single person, she was saying in general, ffs@JoshPascoe-zt6yf
a car is a lethal weapon and the man was using it as such.
High powered 3 tonne car, very heavily armed ! He could have just raised his hands when told to instead of using the car as weapon.
Not really he was trying to drive away
"Working class black men like Chris Kaba"..?
Is that a Disney script he's reading from, or..?
Making drill and committing crime doesn't make you working class, it makes you lumpen.
How disrespectful to call someone like Chris Kaba a working class black man to every working class black man in this country. Truly disgusting.
I agree. It's pathetic.
Kaba was of the criminal class
What you on about? He was self employed and surely paid NI and taxes
Police dont hard stop a car for no reason.
They do not stop for no reason, but they work on intelligence and sometimes it's wrong intelligence.
As a black person i am mistrusting of the police BUT i watched the footage i dont think it was inappropriate if the dude was getting out and they shot him then its bad he continued to try and ram his way out you gave the officer a decision to make its tragic that he died but i wouldnt stick an officer in jail based on what i saw the guy on the panel is making every excuse rather than just being honest if you fear for your life you do what an armed officer tells you you dont start ramming cars
Thankyou for your honesty I know a lot of people looking at it differently.. but I agree with your statement
@@marianlonge3060agree
You should get over the weaknesses of your culture. Your skin colour doesn't make you not trust police, your people's affinity for crime does.
@@SteerCarmerno the police has affinity for abusing their powers on young black men my brother was thrown in jail with no evidence of ever committing a crime it was the usual "he fits the description" line of course he was released the next day no apology
I was stopped and searched because someone fitting my description mugged an old white lady. I'd just got out of school 🤣🤣🤣 I have countless stories weirdly none of my white mates have these experiences
@@marianlonge3060 while I agree that the officer shouldn't be jailed I do question the tactics of just following the car he had enough time to make a phone call to say he was being followed so that immediately spreads panic
Why don't they talk about the elephant in the room? Why are so many young Black men turning to gangs and violent crime? Why is this social phenomenon being totally ignored? How is this issue being addressed by the supposed leaders of their community, who turn into zealots and moral warriors when a member of their community is harmed by law enforcement. What are these leaders doing to protect the victims of this criminality, who in the majority, are also members of the same community? Mr Abbey has straw-manned the whole issue. It's not "hard stops" that are the problem, it's violent criminals who are hurting their communities. Stop weaponising race and address the problem!
Because playing the race / victim card is an easy excuse to explain one’s lack of advancement in society
Offended by everything, accountable for nothing
He was a violent criminal with knife arrests from the age of 13 not to mention gun arrests, stop sticking up for this man!
They try to make him a hero for their youth, some morals !
Just stay on the right side of the law, whatever your colour.
@@Wishing_you_peace absobloodyexactly
The system is broken, says the people who continuously break the system
It's a boast.
You don't fire a warning shot or shoot out the tyres of a vehicle with a firearms marker on it. You give the target the opportunity to comply and then neutralise it. These are policies being followed to the letter by the officer. That he ended up in a dock is shameful.
The guy doesnt have a clue what he is talking about and shooting out the tires would not stop the car and does not eliminate the threat of the driver. Also shots into the tires would produce ricochets.
Is it not possible to say shoot out the windows as a warning?
@@kailashpatel1706 Have you seen the video clips? He was given every opportunity to comply but ignored. Shooting out the windows is a ridiculous idea as a 'warning' and that's before even considering that police officers were surrounding the car and members of the public were nearby too. The bullets don't magically stop when they hit the windows. He was not complying and was putting the lives of others at serious risk by his aggresive actions and the car was linked to a shooting.
@@craighart9278 my only problem is whether he is a threat to the Coppers life because he did not comply?..He was boxed in..I agree with you broadly..Yet we don't just shoot people in the UK who resist arrest..
The police officer shouldn't have been tried at all
Disgraceful that there is now a "reward" for the life of this officer.
Vigilante tactics and they will defend those ,too..
The BBC have closed comments LOL. The truth clearly hurts.
He goes on about you have to respect the decision of the jury then he talks about not respecting the decision of the jury.
Of course, he gave the whiny story of being stopped, but now knowing why they weren't stopped. Sure he doesn't.
Information has just come out about the background of this gentleman. Why is everyone pretending he was an innocent citizen?
"Gentleman" is one thing he was not ! 😅
The argument that Kaba might have acted on instinct on the spur of the moment is crazy. When someone shouts "armed police put your hands up" the instinct is to put your hands up. End of.
Don’t blame the police, blame the parenting……no black person ever got shot for complying with police. I love how it gets to the end game and it’s always the police’s fault, Chris Kaba was a gangster…fact, he was in a car that was involved in a shooting….fact, he was using his car as a battering ram….fact. Just comply and complain later if you feel it’s unjust, nobody dies.
You bored🤦🏾♀️
@OXD_17 No, actually, that was a decent point. Perhaps counter it with something smart and productive rather than adding 'you bored' and then adding an emoji like you're a twelve year old girl or something.
@@AdAstra78 alright Daddy.
"no black person ever got shot for complying with police" is factually inaccurate. Comply or don't comply, the chances of being tasered, shot, beaten/restrained, charged/arrested or sectioned by police are vastly higher for people of colour than anybody else, both in the UK and US, despite being a national minority. It's OK if you don't understand or agree with the underlying issues being discussed, but spreading misinformation is harmful.
@@leedouglas1692I’m white and have been unjustly detained and verbally abused by officers. People just love to play the race and victim card
How about talking about the demographics of the people involved in violent crimes using knives and guns
Ssshhhhh! Don’t be so racist.
@@ednash3571 what was his previous convictions for being a architect?
They refuse to release the statistics but we can guarantee it's going to be just like the statistics of everywhere else in the West. Barbaric cultures imported into civilised ones tend to breed criminality
@@StephenStocks-e1emaybe aspiring convictions?
This guy should never been allowed to be on this show, and should never be called on again
Couldn't agree more!
A proven gang member responsible for horrific crimes. Uncooperative with police officers who need to defend themselves
Bro I'm sorry but this has nothing to do with race. Your case is weak.
“I was in a hard stop. I have no idea why?” Probably cos your mate was involved in something he didn’t tell you about.
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He's not telling the whole truth. He should give the full details and allow researchers to dig.
If you're dragged out of a car and thrown on the ground, everyone in the car. But the time it's all over you know exactly why it happened.
He's making out the cops just went quiet and wandered off without explanation.
I used to get stopped by the police multiple times a week. I was innocent but I lived in a rough area and rode a moped. They would regularly stop me, stretch or just check the bike over and give me a "7 day wonder" -document producer at a local police station.
When I would then have to go to that police station and wait for them to write up the same documents I brought in the week before.
Sometimes I would have 3 of these tickets given within 7 days and the poor desk officer would have to write all the document details 3 times.
I was innocent every time. Just a young guy riding a legal moped completely legally.
Makes you wonder why the police were told to focus on legal youngsters on mopeds which didn't have any red flags on the system.
So I too wondered why I was always being stopped.
It happened to him once and he thinks it's colour.
It happened to me every few days for a year or two. What was that?
Everyone knew he was a criminal and still they defended him, disgraceful behaviour yet again
Everyone is allowed a defence.
How many excuses can 1 man give in so little time
He was a gangster for God’s sake. A career criminal.
This man is trying to defend a violent criminal. Surely the responsibility is on Kaba’s shoulders so if he chose not to comply with the police’s request then that’s his fate. What other choice did the police have?
Why don’t you talk about his previous convictions?
its not even that , he didnt stop after them saying 12 times stop armed police, you stop hand out and get arrested its simple
Doesn't suit his narrative.
It wasn’t released from the press embargo by the judge at the time of broadcasting.
It's interesting how this is being portrayed as an innocent victim killed solely because of his race. We all saw the footage of him casually entering a crowded nightclub, firing shots as if he were in a film, with no regard for the lives at risk. Imagine walking past the venue or working there-your life could have been irrevocably changed by a stray bullet. Yet, they still wanted a fair decision because they concealed his criminal history from the jury because they didn't want to influence jury's mind. The reality is that Chris Kaba was far from innocent.
Another apologist for black failings, Kaba was a career criminal, Nels Abbey, needs to gather a grip of his reality about Kaba’s past. Thank god for sensible members of the jury.
He wasn't aware of the background of Kaba when he spoke and neither was the jury at the trial. He probably thinks a bit differently now.
@DavidTownsend,
Doubt it !
Read the comments on every video about Kaba. We ALL support the policeman, nobody is defending Kabas actions, so why do we give ppl who do defend him air time. Its not representative of the ppl.
Exactly.
As soon as the guest said he was the subject of a police hard stop and treated incredibly badly as a student, he lost all credibility as someone whose opinion was going to be nothing but biased.
Agreed, but I think that is why he was a guest to spout his bile and deluded nonsense😮😮😮
@@1966DepecheI think deluded is the polite way of putting it!
@seanwoodward2804 yep, didn't want to over egg it incase I got a visit from my local dibble..
I cant believe what this man is saying. How can he expect the police protect the public when they aren't aloud to do their job. Shame on all people protecting these people
so much air wasted defending criminals.
At this stage I don't want to hear about the trauma of young black men getting stopped by the police. I would, however, love to hear about the trauma of police officers who end up being prosecuted senselessly simply for doing their job.
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@@prometheus23c 👍🏻 Also the trauma that officers face on an daily basis. There are bad officers, just like bad people in every single walk of life. My thoughts are it seems to be ingrained in society to hate the Police no matter what they do. I do know there are thousands and thousands of officers who put their lives on the line. The family of Kaba should look inwards and reflect on what influence, or lack of influence they had on the path he took.
What trauma when they are generally let off. Did anyone go to prison for jean Charles Menendez
An Audi Q8 is the vehicle of choice for the working class, apparently.
A career criminal who was a member of a county lines drug peddling street gang was driving a car linked to firearm offences, resisted arrest, led the police on a dangerous chase through the streets, rammed parked cars and attempted to run over multiple officers. It's not that difficult to understand, the vast majority of the British public agree with this verdict and are more annoyed this even made it to court and wasted taxpayer's money.
Why lie… It wasn’t a dangerous chase, he stopped at a red lights on the longer version seen today.
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@@Blurbblurb dont know what clip you were watching but the one i saw showed him trying to runover policemen with his audi 4x4
This guy is completely deluded. He was a gang member that was involved in shootings, drug deals, stabbings, violent behaviour, robberies and much more. He's not just a guy who was driving down the street or somebody pulled over for speeding that got shot. He was a known, very active gang member that was threatening police officer's lives in that moment.
If you live by the sword, you die by the sword. That's the lesson. Why was this guy shooting people and using vulnerable people to sell drugs? Why wasn't be an author and broadcaster like this guy? Why did he choose drill rap and roadman culture? He seems like a very well spoken and successful black man, why isn't he asking the question why other men like him are not taking the same path?
How about discussing the death of Peter Lynch in prison ? 61 years old with no known criminal record locked up for years for shouting and holding a sign.
And if the officer had been killed, would you have been on TV wringing your hands?
This is not about race at all, but people like this guy defending kaba always bring it back and play the race card
I don’t think this has anything to do weather he was a black man or a white man, he was shot because he posed great danger to officers and was clearly being aggressive towards police and not intending to stop.
Black culture is broken but, they don't want to talk about that.
Whoever you are Sir, why are you making excuses for criminals?
you know why
He was a criminal thats the problem with this country we victimise criminals and criminalise victims.
He was using the car as a weapon against police and it was reasonable for the police to believe there was a firearm in the car, so it was reasonable for police to believe bullets were about to come of the car. Sometimes you only get one split-second chance to save your own and the life of another. It's a very sad end to a young life, but police cannot be at fault for protecting themselves against possible death.
Uk Street culture is influenced by yardie culture from Kingston Jamaica. This ghetto culture should not be seen as the way black culture is and how all black people carry themselves. It’s negative and it’s breaking lives, hearts, families and children. We as a people need to stand up against it and take responsibility.
Anyone else wanna bet this bloke never got hard stopped and has totally made that story up 😂
No that's on you.
I won't be watching GMB anymore after this disgusting rhetoric this morning.
9:08 when he’s going on about “did the police make Kaba panic” - it is absolutely ridiculous. The police have a job to do. That does not include treating criminals with kid gloves. Kaba was dangerous. A hard stop was justified. Should they have let him get away and go on to commit more crimes or evade justice altogether? Kaba was a violent man, no one in their right mind would treat such a person with anything other than force. He needed to be stopped, he had endangered countless people’s lives in that nightclub and on the street, and was endangering police officers’ lives. Reality check: this is what happens. Stop whining and making it into something it is not.
That is ridiculous panick. Kaba panicked and terrorised people by shooting people so no, he wasn't panicked he was used to this stuff
This guy is making excuses, each situation is different and lets not forget a car is not only an escape route it is a lethal weapon
This whole world is broken and I want to get off this planet
He ran around with a gun shooting at people , the car he drove was used with shots being fired outside a school.
He needed to be taken into custody and he tried to ram his way through a hard stop....he was a danger then to the Police and the Police knew he was a danger...he lived by the sword and died by it.
This man is clearly a liar. I don’t believe he was part of a hard stop, and if he was I can bet there was a good reason for it relating to some of the individuals he was with in the car, if not him.
80 grand audi q7 unregistered linked to a shooting the previous day ramming coppers ...... ok lol f me this is becoming three teir lol
Mate shut up it wasn't even a Q7, it was a q3 suv and it's about 20k and also a rental.
@@96bgn75😂😂😂😂😂
@@96bgn75 It was a Q8.
@@robhills2613 go search Q3 suv, telling an Audi driver himself anyways a man lost his life, officer got cleared cool! Get on with life
@@96bgn75 Q8, not registered to Kaba however I understand that he was on the insurance.
Guy without a Tie is another GRIFTER!
This shouldn't even be a discussion, when armed police show up in numbers. Stopping a car thats known to them, you stop. No, guy tried to drive off with force. He was known to be violent in the passed. All cause he's black, the card gets waved around and questioned an armed officer whos specially trained in these sort of scenarios.
I fully agree. But, it's good to remember that there are also several cases where biased has been acted on. And it's that, that always creeps it's head intimidating situations like this
I have been in a hard stop, white guy and my dad was driving white man. We were in a courtesy car, and the car had been involved in armed Robberies. 6 armed police men surrounded the car with guns, we stopped and followed the instructions of the police. Within 25 mins we was on our way safely.
The Somerset man was shot 3 times by police and then resuscitated. It's a false equivalency.
I have been living in Britain for the past five years, and no police have stopped me illegally. Whenever I see a police officer, I see them with a smiling face. I completely disagree with the racism narrative.
You do not understand the history of racism in the country. You can easily look up cases like Stephen Lawrence, the Guildford Four, the Tottenham Three, etc and others to find out the history of racism within the British police force. You have only been here five years so you can’t know what black people have suffered over the decades leading up to now. That kind of memory does not leave people easily.
@@jujutrini8412 I used to live in Finland, where racism is very prevalent. My wife and I were once spat at, and we frequently heard the phrase “satana,” which means “satan.” It’s a stark contrast to Britain, which feels like a friendly and welcoming society. In this case if he had complained to the police, I doubt it would have escalated this far.
@@johntilton I know non white people in this country who have had racist graffiti scrawled on their door, who have had dog faeces put through their letterbox because of their race, who have been shouted at in the street with racist slurs, who have been thrown in the back of a police van, called all kinds of racist names and beaten up then dropped off far from home with no mention of a crime having ever been committed, who have been lied about in court (using false quotes and language that they thought a Jamaican person would use even though the person wasn’t even Jamaican!) by the police and the judge even telling the police they know they are lying so the case being thrown out, I could go on and on. Racism exists in the police force in this country as well as in society. If you want to ignore it that is entirely up to you. I am in no way saying that this country is the most racist country on earth. I know it isn’t. But not being the most racist country does not mean it is not racist. Racism does not have to be straight to your face name calling either. The racism that people faced in the fifties, sixties and seventies etc is in no way like it is now. Things have improved a great deal since then but racism has not completely disappeared and it still affects people’s lives.
However, the windrush scandal only happened very recently and I know people who were deported from their own country, where they are legal citizens, simply because of their race.
@@jujutrini8412 You are right we don't but this was not racism.
@@alansbinnie1446 I didn’t say this case involved racism.
Black bloke here at the start wanted to brush quickly past why he was stopped in his car, when he was a teen! Not specific. There would have been a reason but he won’t divulge I can guarantee.
He was clear in saying that the police didn't provide him with a reason.
@@leedouglas1692 there would have been a reason and he refuses to tell us. If it was a routine stop then so be it. That’s called pro active policing. White peoples get pulled over also, but don’t go on about it too all and sundry.
System is broken?????? I agree. The fact people fail to consider the consequences of their actions is the fault of ……the government.
Have children one after another when the parents can barely look after themselves….. blame the government.
Ram a police vehicle and get shot…… blame the government.
Whatever the problem is……. blame the government.
Under no circumstances should you ever take accountability of your own actions. The government are always to blame.
Can we expect mostly peaceful expressions of de-stocking JD Sports in London over the weekend..?
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He was a career criminal and a gangster. He had many dead bodies in his wake
Not often that l would say this but l'm on the side of the law on this one. And would we be having this debate if he was white and not black.
Why did he try to escape from the police by ramming them???
cos that's teh way he was made bro. he was gangsta thru and thru he dont listen to no popo.
@@happyjonn9242shoulda listened
He is criminal
nills is a blatant racist, absutely unreal you let him spout so much of his bile.
Embarrassing 😳, he was a dangerous man.
How is the system broken?
If you are told to get out of the car x100 by ARMED police and refuse to do so then I m sorry to say you deserve to be stopped by what means possible.
The country won't weep for kaba
the gentleman speaking about it being highly confusing is not really taking into account that Kaba absolutely would NOT have been "confused" about why police were surrounding him, since he was a wanted criminal for shooting the night before (as opposed to the innocent man speaking who would understandably have been under extreme confusion and fear)
Justice has actually been served. The officer was found not guilty, as he clearly had a valid defence for using his weapon.
When you play with fire you get burnt and he did
Attempting to drum up sympathy for violent and career criminals. Presenting them as angels, as wouldbe architects, expectant fathers won't someone please think of the family.
That has only done more damage to institutional and race relations in the UK.
so he wasn't a wrong un trying to escape?
@@BigTasty1975Justice has been done. End of.
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@@BigTasty1975 "your kind"... Great use of language that shows exactly how flawed your mindset is.
Why do people always hint at racism when a black man is shot by a police officer? No one mentions the families Chris saddened, the number of victims he has in his records, I blame the justice system and police for the fact that we have a man like this on our streets. I am also a black man, never I have been stop n searched by the police, if it ever happened I would have stopped and let them do their job.
The way the media is portraying this event is startling.
Because no one on police interceptors gets unalived for worst driving
Justice? For who? A gangster? If it is true that he was part of a violent gang, then the public got justice... Case closed...
Here's some radical advice, comply with the laws of the land and you won't get shot or end up in jail/gaol.
His “ I can’t breathe” moment didn’t work out so well him did it? 😂
If the government courts and police are not TOUGH on crime then we are all finished the UK streets have never been so unsafe
Parents are shameful for protesting against the verdict.
They should have been bette parents to their son.
Police brutality….i think not .
An innocent uni student being boxed in, and a known career criminal that recently shot someone in a club (on CCTV, are two very very different things!
Best to quietly follow requests by the police and avoid trying to run or drive away at speed.
You think that matters: it all depends what your looking at. It’s like someone saying “Oh you shouldn’t have worn that dress.”
@@SAVAGEINDUSTRY_17i dnt understand what you are saying
@@siblingschannelyah9909 well read it again.