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That’s what I felt they should have done with Perturabo and since he’s the only traitor primarch that could do it. But instead we got another lame demon primarch 🙄
It only adds to the setting, I think, of truly independent space marines who govern themselves and their pledged servants as they see fit. There is so much narrative potential there
most of the imperium works in a lord-vassal configuration already, so being an imperial vassal state is pretty much the same as just being part of the imperium. a good example of this is Ultramar
Okay here's one for you: Out of the Imperial arsenal, no tool is more powerful than bureaucracy. There is none more mundane, and certainly none more flawed; when the Embers of Gast Chapter was penned down as being in, rather than their actual backline position, the very frontline alongside a regiment of Vostroyan Firstborn, which was overrun by Tyranids and subsequently bombed to dust, the Marines were declared annihilated to the last, and their homeworld being sticklers for rules beyond most were refused to be acknowledged as still surviving. So they resettled on the dark side of their homeworld's moon, operating without orders, guarding it without further contact. Their fortress-monastery would in time be regarded a monument, as the people believed the spirits of their Angels still protected them... Rumours of human figures clad in armour stalking its halls would perpetuate the myth, which caused tributes of supplies to be laid before the monument, and each would be spirited away by what was now called the Ghosts of Gast.
My own Homebrew Renegade Chapter ended up doing a little bit of every ending you mentioned. They started out World Eaters with the Butchers Nails then turned during the Horus Heresy with the rest of the legion. After the Heresy a high ranking World Eater who still loved the Emporer took a small amount of similar minded marines and winded up a Black Shield Chapter for a time serving the Imperium once agian. However they still had the Butchers Nails and the Chapter Master, the same Marine who originally turned away from the World Eaters, fell to the Butchers Nails while the second in command tried to cover it up. Eventually the Marines turned Renegade after one too many incidents as a result of the Butchers Nails and the Chapter Master began falling to Khorn all over agian. The Chapter Master had become a lunatic constantly being hid by the second in command who at this point was calling the shots trying to satisfy the legion full of Butchers Nails marines while keeping the Chapter Masters condition a secret ending with them walking the line between Renegade and Choas worshipper while their numbers dropped like flies until eventual extinction after drifting through the warp right in the way of some Iron Warriors. Tried not to get descripive to prevent myself from being here typing for awhile
My homebrew chapter fits in the eventual extinction category. However, the path leading up to the extinction I’ll need some outside help in deciding if it makes sense within the narrative. The Uniters were originally Iron Warriors that remained loyal during the Horus Heresy. Guilliman allowed them to create their own chapter to serve the Imperium. During the Age of Apostasy, the Uniters were declared excommunicate Traitoris, and their homeworld was under siege by Vandire’s forces. The Uniters enacted an emergency escape plan that allowed them to escape on the largest piece of their planet to be rebuilt into a space station. The chapter and its human populace survived several thousand years in the galaxy by making friends with chapters that agreed with their principles, or straight up helping a chapter in a warzone, so that the Uniters can one day call upon favors to aid them. The chapter actively defends itself against Imperial forces hunting them down and Iron Warriors seeking to punish them for rebelling against Perturabo. The Uniters would catch a fresh break in the form of the Tau Empire. Trade agreements with the Tau allowed the Uniters to better maintain their space station and its people. And the upgraded weapons the Tau offered allowed the Uniters to defend themselves from Imperial forces better. And on active battlefields, the Uniters would invite Imperial Guard to join their ranks as auxiliary troops much like the Ultramar Auxilia does for the Ultramarines. However, despite their recent successes, a looming sense of impending doom falls upon the chapter. The chapter will fall in the wake of the 13th Black Crusade, and the only thing of the Uniters Guilliman will find with his own two eyes is a single marine, wailing in anguish as he survived to see his entire brotherhood die before they got the chance to reunite with the primarch that gave them a chance.
To be fair, you could make a chapter whose reason for excommunication IS that they made a world into "Traitors". An Example for my future homebrew chapter (the basic premise): They basically converted their entire Homeworld to the beliefs of the Emperor being no god, but a hero. And that Invention is not heresy. Basically the pre-ecclesiarchy beliefs.
My renegade marines are called the iron vanguard. A former great company of the iron warriors. During the Horus heresy they captured a forge ship from the admech and left for the rim of the galaxy. Their reason being the their warpsmith viewed both sides as unworthy of service. As of present there are a mercenary group who works for the highest bidders . Chaos is viewed as cancer to them so only through advancing their technology can they survive. The end goal for them is to find a way out of the galaxy before the Tyranids devour it.
I have a renegade chapter called the Iron Hunters (place holder name) who were decarded renegades because it was discovered they had Iron warrior gene seed and instead of being executed going on a self determined penance crusade and attack as many chaos war bands as possible and "borrowing" war gear from other chapters there currently around 300-400 members
Charcharodons showed an additional way of resupply and refacing to the imperium; simply stay hidden long enough and be conveniently placed so you can raid other astartes for recruits and material 😂
Im doing a renegade chapter semi-based on iron warriors, like an offshoot that stayed loyal initially but deserted when they saw what their brothers became
They're reffred as Blackshields not Renegade Chapter because even though they're declared Renegades they're still loyal in thier own right Fighting for humanity in thier own way, from the shadows. They exist since Horus Heresy and are split from Legion so not chapter turned renegade. It's sad and impressive that they're the only one Blackshields that survived since Horus Heresy. I think we need more Homebrew Blackshields like those Ancient Renegades living unchanged since Heresy Fighting for Imperium that declared them traitors 10 Thousands years ago, sounds cool
Having your renegades always fall to chaos seems like a copout and a poor use of creative liberties. Why not have a renegade chapter align with the greater good? Seems like a hell of a far more logical answer than "Chaos, again!"
The Tau are still a very tiny empire of a couple hundred worlds at the upper end of estimates that are pretty limited to the Damocles Gulf, compared to the Imperium's millions and millions of worlds. This heavily restricts the number of Chapters that would even know they exist, much less have encountered them, much less have spent the time to become aware of what the Tau believe in, much less how many would additionally go renegade. However, if you take one stage back of a general "Join up with an External Empire" that includes the Tau but also other Xenos as well as minor Human Empires that exist on the fringes like the Veiled Region, the Halo Zone, the Ghoul Stars, and the like, that is a direction that seems to have much, much higher odds of happening. The borders of the Imperium are extremely vast, after all.
To be honest I see a lot of cooperation between renegade chapters and loyal subjegts through subterfuge; even most guard officers've never seen a marine let alone thousand liverys
My renegade chapter is called the Pioneers. They are Ultramarines successors (Ultima Founding) who, prior to their fall, used to be considered shining examples of loyalty to the Imperium, and were great heroes. They cared for civilians in battle, and always helped rebuild afterwards. One day, however, the Thousand Sons attacked their homeworld and their fortress monastery, known as Nova Point (they had numerous relics previously taken as trophies from them). This battle was against the entire chapter, and to ensure that they wouldn’t be reinforced the 1k Sons created a warp storm around the system. Unfortunately, the high warp activity ended up attracting Hive Fleet Kronos. Surrounded and forced to choose between life or death, the two armies begrudgingly joined forces to fight back and drove the Hive Fleet away. The Imperium, upon discovering this, declared them Excommunicata Traitoris and the Inquisition sent the Grey Knights to wipe out their remaining warriors (chaos corruption and all that). This event would be known as the Night of Extinction in their chapter history, but 89 marines and one Venerable Dreadnought managed to escape on a small frigate called the “Silver Bullet”. Their chapter master was dead, and they weren’t even a specific company, rather the remnants of forces from across the entire Chapter. Now, they roam the galaxy as a traveling band of mercenaries. They resent the government of the Imperium, but not the people within it, and so still fight to aid beleaguered worlds. Having not been resupplied in decades, their armor is a dirty off-white color, and their gear is scrapped together from whatever they have. Their acting “chapter master” is actually the captain of the Fifth Company, who dons half-functioning Gravis armor armed with whatever gear they had spared. He has a Terminator Power Sword and an Inceptor’s bolt pistol (proxied in games as a Gravis Cap. w/sword+rifle). Their armor is also greatly uneven, with parts taken from every Mark (aside from Thunder, but nobody has access to that).
I've been working on a Homebrew Renegade Chapter for a little while called the Phoenix Praetors (Formerly the Red Praetors). They were an Ultima Founding chapter who specialized in Shock Assaults, Reinforcing Hopelessly outmatched Imperial forces, and delivering decapitation strikes on Enemy forces. Their fall happened on the (homebrew) planet of Malticore. They were dispatched by the Inquisition Ordo Xenos to reinforce badly outnumbered and undersupplied Guardsmen and Sisters of Battle, who were loosing ground to Necrons. The Red Praetors personally saved the lives of many sisters, guardsmen, and civilians and then destroyed the Necron Overlord and primary Tomb with an Orbital Assault. However, they made a fatal mistake. The Necrons had been experimenting with enhanced Mind Shackle Scarabs, and were trying to create a weapon to mind control and enslave mass numbers of humans. (Think Pariah Nexus zombies but on a planetary scale). As such, many sisters and Guardsmen were taken prisoner and experimented on, turning them into mind controlled slaves to the Necrons. The Red Preators encountered these soldiers during their attack of the Tomb structure and couldn't bring themselves to kill them. They instead believed strongly that once the Necrons were defeated, these people could be saved and their free will restored. . . And they were right. The death of the Overlord and destruction of his tomb structure broke the mind control over the humans and restored their free will. In total, the Red Preators saved millions of captured Guardsmen and Sisters all over the planet, who needless to say were indebted to and thankful for the Space Marines. It was, by any logical standard, the greatest victory for the Red Preators yet. However the Inquisitor who dispatched them didn't see it that way. She considered all the non-space marines on the planet already too tainted by Necron technology to be trusted, and ordered the Red Preators to genocide all of the Imperial forces and citizens of the Planet, even those never infected by the Necrons. But again, the Red Preators refused to kill the Imperial forces. The Inquistor and the Chapter Master had a heated exchange, in which the Inquistor declared that she spoke with the authority of the Emperor. The Chapter Master responded by saying, "If a fool, who claimes to speak for the God Emperor, should condemn an entire world to death, showing no mercy to the wounded, the weak, the children, the women, and the prisoner, based on nothing more than a whim, and carry the force of law; then I can no longer serve this Imperium." And immediately gunned the Inquisitor and her Retinue down. The Inquisition would declare the Red Praetors, Excommunicate Tairoris, and sent the Minortars to destroy them, their fleet, and the Imperial forces on the planet of Malticore. However, the Sisters and Guardsmen would aid the Red Preators, seeing the Inquisition as rogue and Minotaurs as out of line and acting against the will of the Emperor. A gruesome battle ensued, in which the Minotaurs sustained heavy casualties due to the dug in defendors of Malticore. The Inquisition finally decided to declare Malticore Exterminatus, and Virus bomb the surface. However, the Red Preators would successfully evacuate the Sisters of Battle in their entirety, many Guard units, and as many civilians as their ships could carry. The fleet then escaped in the chaos and made a blind jump through the Immaterium, arriving together many lightyears away, but a decade later than when they jumped. Now the renamed Pheonix Preators cannot simply tolerate extinction, as they have dedicated themselves to protecting the sisters they rescued, as well as the survivors of Malticore. In all the adventures they've had so far, they've narrowly avoided the Inquisition a few times, allied themselves with the Farsight Enclave, defeated a Chaos Lord plotting to ambush the Carcarodons (earning an under-the-table alliance with Tyberous and his boys), lost a catastrophic number of their marines in an encounter with the Black Templars (starting a fued with the Black Templars), finding an uncharted planet and colonizing it for the survivors, and a scrap with the Drukari.
@@kingofrexes666gamingandmor5 Sure. It's a fairly new homebrew so I haven't fleshed it out much yet. The color scheme used to be Red with silver trim and White / Gold decorative panels (imitating a Roman Legion). However, with their change of name and exile from the Imperium, they've changed their color scheme slightly to include orange flames. (These denote the fall of Malticore, but also the fire of rebirth and a new mission for the chapter) As far as changes go, they started out as fiercely loyal to the Imperium, even willing to take orders from the Inquisition. They now evaluate each group on a case by case basis. They've allied with Commander Farsight and Tyberous, but will basically take any opportunity now to get payback on the Black Templars and Inquisition. They've also gone from broadly protecting Imperial Citizens, to really only caring for the citizens and descendants of Malticore. (Adding just a bit of grimdark to an otherwise mary-sue chapter.) They've raided words under siege by Tyranids for supplies, since the Imperial forces there can't really spare the firepower to stop them, leading to mass civilian casualties. Additionally, the Chapter has had at least one squad fall to Khorn, during combat with the Black Templars. And the Chapter Master himself has been tempted by Chaos, though managed to resist it with guidance from Commander Farsight. Interestingly, one way they've gone about preventing more of their Marines from falling to Khorn is by allowing their Battle Brothers to marry and build families on the secluded world they've recent colonized. This has so far proven effective, though less than half of their members have actually taken advantage of this freedom.
Hatred of the imperial of man for being betrayed mixed with a refusal to fall to chaos and a need for more support and supplies allowing themselves to support the tau empire as the ultimate a screw you to the imperium of man.
My Renegade chapter are all but extinct now. Iron Hands succesorsthat worked for a slightly dodgy Forgeworld by bringing them xeno and forbidden tech. When rhe Inquisition got wind the Forgeworld threw thm under the bus to save their own skins, and the chapter got buggered by both the Imperium cuttign thwm off and sending a warfleet after them and a traitor chaper attacking them while they were weakened. They almost got a redemption arc, when another Inquisitor offered them penitence by joining a Crusade, but then the Carcharodons showed up, and rhe Renegades decided to go out in a blaze of glory against the Space Sharks, when it became obvious they werent going to accept them joing the crusade, and attempting it would just cause rhe two fleets to attack one another. I did have one tech marine and a trio of scouts survive though, who got quietly follded into a loyalist Chapter, just in case i ever wanr to do something with them one day
As the biggest fan of Soul Drinkers I am happy that you mentioned them but I feel like it could had been a bit longer both for their part and flame falcons and relictors. Flame Falcons have barely anything written about them, Relictors lore is all over the place and Soul Drinkers is just people don't wanna read Ben Counter's writing and I understand why but I enjoyed them. And also as someone who doesn't enjoys the primaris a lot I think Ben did write the greatest Primaris scene ever: 'We're blasting our way in again,' mused Sasan 'Praise the Primarch who didn't teach us subtlety.' 'Would you rather knock on the door, Brother Sasan ?' Growled Phraates
Honestly I thought on making a Loyalist Chapter who are more on the nobler side, being very brotherly and honorable. Perhaps named the Unchained Sons. They're very good at melee, often practicing against each other in fighting arena's and trying to improve each other's skill. However they were made with Traitor Gene stock and some are suspicious of that fact, leading to them not being fully trusted despite their stalwart image. The conceit of this Chapter is essentially building on the lost potential for goodness that the World Eaters had before getting the butcher's nails and falling to Chaos. Perhaps they could have a period of being renegades? I imagine them temporarily having turned renegade while aiding another chapter that'd also gone renegade but were going full chaos Kool aid and so the Unchained Sons decided to redeem themselves by slaying that traitor chapter to the last and presenting their remains to the Imperium. Now they've been accepted but they're low in numbers and morale, requiring time to rebuild and heal after almost having fallen to the dark gods
I have a little idea wich requires a ton of settings, but would work out pretty neat. Basically a warpstorm transports a space hulk into an unknown region of the galaxy where the ship gets shredded by a massive asteriod field. An unknown Xeno species salvages the remains and through their incredibely advanced technology do they manage to revive and forcibly evolve a regular crewmember. This member, now evolved into a psyker, kills the xenos and makes use of what they have left to prepare building an outpost for the Imperium. He tricks a whole xeno empire (different species) into thinking he's an ally and plays them for decades until he can manage to find more humans and turn them into a new Astartes chapter through the aid of the xenotech.
Not gonna lie that sound like a very cool and unique approach, yet something that is quite likely to happen in 40k. There are similar enough precedents after all. I hope you so not mind if I yoink a few ideas
I think that the perpetuity route does not work because it lacks the node of tension that is key to making the story of a renegade group work: how they deal with impending doom. Perpetuity would mean beating impending doom and that simply doesn't happen: you either embrace doom (by going out with a bang) or cheat it only to realize you were the one being cheated all along (by embracing Chaos).
I’d love to see this series return with such factions/sub-factions as the Imperial Guard and Knights, the three flavors of Eldar, and the Tau and Orks. This is a great series for getting ideas started!
I remember two case of Renegade chapter : - The first one is of obscure origin (fanmade or really old GW work), the Emperor's Basilisk. The reason for their fall was their forsight roughly 3-4 seconds ahead of time, more powerfull if the marine is older. Their success multiplied on the battlefield and once the Inquisition found out, they got purged... incompletely. In the end, roughly 45 marines managed to flee and amazingly, they didn't fell to chaos but continue to fight for the Imperium. I would say that Forsight is a great gift to survive, but not a deus ex machina. - The "Phoenix Brethren". Originally knowned as the "Flame Falcon", it's also a mutation case with powers, Inquisition go nuts and they flee. But this time, 9 out of the 10 companies sacrifice their live to allowed all their scout (10th company) + their geneseed stock + apothecaries/techmarines + chief librarian with disciples to get away. Hidden in a hijacked cargoship, they reached a backwater system judged useless by the sub-sector governor and threatened by Eldars. Even in their poor state, they were a miraculous sight for the defender and they managed to save 6 worlds. The Eldars, fearing to face only the vanguard of a full chapter, fled. At this point, they got REALLY lucky : the 6 planetary governor + military chiefs guessed that they were fleeing something and propose a refuge, which was accepted. Their existence was a secret, easily put in place thanks to the clear arrogance and carelessness of the subsector governor, the "accidental oversight" from the local administratum and the grateful populace. Better then, the system became the home of a secretive splinter faction of the Adeptus Mechanicus, giving the now renamed "Phoenix Brethren" an access to small factoriums. They lived there for a millenia. Right now, they are on the run again due to their active defence of the system against a chaos invasion that didn't go unnoticed this time. Thankfully, the investigation were delay long enough for them to get out once again. Also, they met during the fight the honorable "Lions triumphant" chapter and made a deal : The Lions will give a good part of their fleet and the promise of defending the 6 worlds in exchange for the Fortress-Monastery of the Phoenix's Brethren. Now a proper fleet-based "renegade" chapter, they are an unexpected help to any imperial world. An awesome tale.
Yeah one of my biggest obstacles has always been that I really like the aesthetic and style of the Space Marines and Imperial Guard, but I passionately loath the Emperor and the zealotry that they have for him. So this is kind of my only path.
One things I did and seems fun is "๋Allied Renegade" Like Carcharodons and Ashen claws working together You still play and paint the most as Loyalist chapter. but paint some of your unit like first born or even mark 3-4 models as renegade reinforcement.
A lovely video, that layed out the things one should think about when trying a renegade chapter. I very much enjoyed. The one thing I will say is that there are a few examples of marines being able to replentish themselves and recruit new astartes without the support of the wider imperium. The carcharodons and ashen claws support one another, in a rather tenuous system, but are otherwise cut off from the imperium for the most part. Yet both are able to create new marines. I think it is entirely valid to have a chapter, with enough cunning and patience as you mentioned, have the ability to steal equiptment and supplies and retain the ability to creat astartes. A chapter that whose gene seed has started to degrade and mutate is so desperate to continue their legacy that they steal gene seed from another chapter and begin experimenting with it. Obviously this goes terribly at the start but with enough trial and error a relatively stable hybrid gene seed is created. But the theft is discovered and they are forced submit or flee. Choosing to flee, they eke out a desperate existence on the run from the inquisition, scavenging what they can find, stealing everything else they need, and perhaps dealing with other renegades or traitors when it suits them. Imperial worlds will have their vaunted angels of death turned desperate scavengers fall upon them suddenly in a hit and run attack. Buildings bombed, officials assassinated, defenders ambushed all as a feint while they are robbed. Could be a compelling story about how, regardless of their incredible abilities, astartes are still human in how they think, and desperate people do some wild things.
I was considering making a chapter that's a hybrid geneseed of raven guard/salamander chapter with a few adepta sororitas that was marked as traitors when they chose to spare a group of xenos that saved them during a battle with orks.
Done this with my Tau, not quite evil not quite good, want to be left alone and hide in deep space on a scared paradise world, why? Long story, but they found a species of peacful xeno bugs that have managed to convince to do non tau things like have hobbies, cross breed casts and do selfish things fron time to time. If you think this is too wholesome its meant to be depressing as in this universe nothing this good can last, cut off from recources and attracting unwanted attention everytime their homes invaded their world becomes more scarred and barren, and many of my own custom characters are dead leaving few alive and the leader so depressed and traumatized she forgets what shes doing. Also the Xeno bugs are bees and i use bees as drones on the tabletop!
I used these guides for my first homebrew chapter, they were really helpful, I was stuck on a few things for this space Wolves/World eaters hybrid chapter I was working on when I found the loyalist chapter guide
So, watching this actually gave me an idea on how to take my homebrew chapter: officially, the Knights of Iron are a renegade chapter, declared Excommunicate Traitoris after word reached the high lords that they worked alongside a force of Necrons to deal with a chaos/Tyranid threat (I'm not sure on which of the two, probably chaos though, cliched it may be). The Knights are an ultima founding, so they lack the long history of firstborn chapters, and thus the powerful wargear. What is known to none but the inner circle of the chapter is thus: the Knights are one of a few Ultima founding chapters given a mission by Gulliman himself: to explore the possibility of long time alliance between humanity and other xenos, and this particular dynasty of necrons was selected because of records showing they are heavily honorbound, and would come to an ally's aid, even if there is little benefit to them, and the Knights just so happened to save the dynasty's crownworld while it was still waking and seemed to be a feudal world. Since this is still early, does anyone have advice, while I post this here?
So, night lords and alpha legion would teeechnicaly count as renegade space marines (iron warriors are weird, sort of renegade, sort of not, since they don't worship the dark gods for the most part)
I’m actually creating a home brew chapter. I haven’t made a name yet but they’re from an unknown founding and their Gene-Seed is from the death guard. They are actually renegade right now. Some snot-nosed purist inquisitor found out and began to send them on suicidal missions leading to them splitting from the imperium and being declared renegade heretics. They are actually held up on a backwater agri-world that the imperium doesn’t care about so their just chilling out there, while trying to get recruits from the locals to bolster their numbers, I am still deciding on their path but this video is very helpful
What are the chances of a renegade chapter that has no desire to join chaos or rejoin the imperium choosing to join the Tau for the sake of survival? They could start recruiting new marines from the children of Gue'vesa and have access to Tau tech. If it's a chapter hellbent on remaining renegade in perpetuity, surely they wouldn't be above working with xenos?
So if a renegade chapter and it's chapter planet joined up with the tau, I suppose that's a renegade that would have the supply lines to exist in perpetuity?
Pretty sure the ashen claws fall under the 4 branch and they are a canon chapter, didn’t know if you knew about them or not. There Terran raven guard that have lived in the outer edges for the galaxy for 10,000 years and survive by raiding worlds and trading with other chapters.
An idea I have is a renegade salamanders successor that have decided to fight for the greater good after having to side with a unit of Tau fire warriors to fight off a chaos warband that outnumbered both of them.
This has been incredibly useful with giving me some ideas for the end result of my main homebrew. One which I hope you have enjoyed reading about and maybe will be featured in your review series.
I’m glad you made this video, I’ve been working on a book for my homebrew for over a year now and it’s ballooned to a series of three. I’ve got a whole backstory and history for not only the armies of but also the citizenry of their home world. Looking forward to putting it online eventually
What about a renegade chapter that doesn't hate xeno and they get excumunticated because they sided with the tau or something , they dont like chaos and dont care to rejoin the loyalist , could they get supplied by a xeno species 🤔
You can write what you want. However, their extra organs that they have to implant into new recruits should be accounted for, IF you want them to be able to maintain their numbers. My kneejerk reaction is yes, but not really because they couldn’t maintain their numbers that way for long due to the difficulty in acquiring the extra organs.
My home brew is known as the Basterds. On their maiden voyage from their homeworld they became lost to the void. They re emerged a thousand years later with no memories whatsoever. They were rescued by an alien race but eventually captured by the inquisition.
I made one a while ago called the Crimson Phantoms. Originally called the crimson paragons of the 10th founding, they were eventually deemed heretics in mid M41 when thir geneseed deviated too much to be conisedered anything but retchedly impure. Not to mention their esoteric cult that believes that their mutations and Red Thirsts were gifts from Sanguinius himself- further alienated them from their brother chapters. Since then, they have become a nomadic mercenary group, dealing largely with xenos races such as the Fra'al, Aeldari fractions and a Necron dynasty at war with itself. While their numbers did take a beating, their deals granted them an array of phase weopons and armoramong other tech- leading them to use more stealth, guerilla warfare and terror tactics (iilmagine blood angels boarding your ship, then phasing through the walls to grab and devour you) bwfore sending the rest of the chapter rushes in. With the fall of Cadia came unprecedented opportunity, travelling imperial nihlus and either aiding imperial worlds in exchange for great "tithes, for a totally loyal astartes chapter" or full on raiding them to recoup numbers and resources.
Loving these videos guys! Absolutely 10/10!! I’m currently writing a homebrew chaos warband and the videos are amazing references when I get stuck or hit a wall!!
So i am working on what is effectively a homebrew of Lamenters. With their lore being that after being sent out to fight a full hive fleet of Tyranids, their ship is baddly damaged beyond repair traveling limited sub light speed without a navigator to steer them. Eventually gthe ship breaks apart over a human colonized world however it isn't apart of the Imperium. Initially the colonists are hesitant of the survivors since the world is often raided by World Eaters. The planet known as Haven has numerous STC's that have allowed the colonists to buildup their world to be the equivalent to Maccrage prior to its expansion into the 500 worlds. Leading these Lost Lamenters is a single Dreadnought and most of the other survivors are a mix first son's and Primaris their equipment is mostly scavenged from whatever they could find. Their primary form of communication is signal flares and chalk markings they aren't doing so hot even by the standards of the other 2 present factions.
Are y'all going to do one on Homebrew Guard? I've been in and out of the hobby since 7th and have been a Guard main through and through. I've never put many serious attempts towards homebrewing with me winding up just scrapping most of my ideas. Any advice is always welcome and keep up the good work.
I think if I were to write a renegade chapter, which I'm going to, I'm either going to make it so they go extinct or perpetuity. I think a smarter wat for perpetuity to be the case wouldn't be just scavenging, but more like the banished from HALO, where the leader has so much charisma, inspiration and straight up convincing speech skills he convinces opposing forces to join his ranks. I think I'll do that but then one of his generals starts a rebellion and splits the chapter eventually leading to the chapter leader's sides demise and the general's side falling to chaos.
Dolphin marines A war band who hang near the galactic fridge attacking imperial worlds Are very friendly about it and use mostly range. Wear black with grey back unit and shoulders Leader: orca , the blue tide Arch enemies: carcharadons Excommunicated for concerincly frequent alliances with chaos
When I was younger I made my Marines fight alongside the Tau as I had just started collecting the latter. In my High School Club, I essentially made them go Mercenary for a while. I never gave it a lot of thought or reason though
I'm still new to Warhammer 40k so I have been wondering can you also make homebrew from the Xeno factions or maybe create a entirely homebrew Xeno race because if so, what would the guidelines be for that??
Your own xenos factions are definitely on the table. Your own races become a tricky subject. You could proxy (when you have one model count as another) models as an existing race. Anything too far away from a paint job or a bit swap will depend on your game group.
Great video guys, thoroughly enjoyed it, but I’ve one major criticism; Where do you get the idea that renegade chapters can’t replenish their numbers? A chapter recoups losses mainly by harvesting geneseed from its own fallen marines. Each marine can produce two copies of its geneseed a mere 10 years after initial implantation. This is literally the primary method of ‘reproduction’ among marines, how maimed chapters recover from conflict and how neophyte chapters grow to full strength in the first place. What threatens this process is attrition over a shorter period than the training cycle for a single ‘batch’ of marines, or geneseed corruption. Outside of that, a renegade chapter has the same capacity for bouncing back as a loyalist one, hardly ‘a dead marine is a permadeath’. Where have you gotten this idea?
I mean, how else do you think the Ashen Claws have been doing it this past 10,000 years, or any chapter with little to no contact with the adeptus terra, for that matter? They’re certainly not receiving regular shipments of their progenitor’s geneseed… they just handle it in house. It’s why the only times we hear of chapters struggling with numbers is if they are under constant, heavy attrition or have disastrous geneseed degradation.
Had an idea for a space marine chapter based on cowboys of the spaghetti western Genre. Clint Eastwood and John Wayne type, know as: the Lone Rangers A successor chapter, that, had committed a crime, and are on a penatus crusade. The specialize in quick draw gunslinger style of combat, and mounted combat. Some believe they are a successor to the white scars because of their proficiency in speeders and lack of announcing the glories, but some say raven guard because they seem to appear out of now where when they are needed, and disappear without a trace when the job is done. To go with the idea of the spaghetti western movies, the chapter has a cowboy design on top of their space their power armor. Speers on their boots, cowboy hats on their helmets. Their insignia is that of the marshalls star or a bull's skull. Their bolt guns are custom made to be a six shooter, or a classic shotgun. And the speeders have a horse figure head on it Because of them being on a penatus crusade, only one lone ranger marine is ever seen. Giving the impression that he is the last of his chapter.
Come to think of it, that’s not the only hard line you take here that seems somewhat arbitrary. Acting as though a resupply is impossible due to forge-worlds being unwilling to risk the wrath of the imperium makes little sense when being invaded or destroyed by space marines itself represents one of the worst things the wrath of the imperium can bring upon such a world. If a renegade chapter conquers a forge, will that forge invariably choose death over agreeing to supply that chapter with munitions? Why? How would they even know that the chapter in question is a renegade one, given how often Imperium forces come to blows? Even assuming the adeptus terra has perfect records of every loyal/renegade chapter, how would they efficiently disseminate this information to all corners of the galaxy? The information we have seems to imply they can’t really do this, let alone that Forge World Gamma 469-Ø of the Ucthari cluster would necessarily even care about what the distant High Lords think when there’s an actual chapter of astartes breathing down their neck…
I have a question an inquisitor from the ordo xenos Can they having custom a space marine kill team just spit balling ideas about them possibly having a group of space marines and the inquisitor gets framed for something, and them having to go into hiding for a bit the marines get sanctioned as renegade traitor ls
3:30 I think you left off a very interesting start: stranded Unnumbered Sons from the Indomitus Crusade. Warp shenanigans spat out a strike cruiser into deep Wilderness Space: Navigator killer via Warp, Gellar shields irreplaceable damaged, combo, both, neither. For some reason they can't leave. They just so happen to be astronomically lucky and found a habitat system. See it as a pocket Luft Huron with Cast Away and Hesrt of Darkness twists. By the time they Indominatus Crusade proper comes across them, they're labeled Heretic and slated for purging. Jack Sparrow a void craft and chapter history proper starts. I know people are really weird about the "purity" of Primaris, but we've gotta come to terms with the fact that they're the "new" Space Marines. Might as well have some fun with it.
@@voidcastfam i just like the idea of all white marines with the Tau symbol on their oversized pauldrons. If I made a space marine army that's how I wanna paint it.
Does a chapter made of outcast, non chaos affiliated traitors or marines that disagree with how the imperium does things from all other chapters sound like a good idea? I was thinking about doing this along side my guard as well with them having soldiers from different regiments coming together as well along side the renegade chapter as well. Plus my eldar and tau armies do the same thing with all four of them being one group though I’m trying to figure out the lore for that. The reason for this was because I thought it would be cool if the three main races had groups that worked together and also because I was indecisive on one chapter or regiment. They all looked so cool 😅
I assume my chapter would be counted as a renegade chapter. After claiming the messing with gene-seed to create primarus as heretical, then finding themselves cut of from the imperium when the galaxy was torn in two by chaos. Now they fight alone, cut off and facing extinction, with zealous fury. And will go down fighting, right down to the last battle brother.
My current army, Theban Angels, is kinda renegade. They claim to be just created Flesh Tearer successor, but they actually are Lamenters who said "F₩CK THIS NOICE, we are going to SURVIVE" during their penitent crusade. As for their story, they are trying to survive, basically just trying to use name of Flesh Tearers to keep people off with the massive time gap, while they are thinking just what the hell are they supposed to do? Their leader, Nicolo, is certain for their righteousness, and sees the penitent crusade as a farce. Basically, they are waiting for either to be noticed and forced to leave, or when they have enough sh!t to move further up the galaxy. Is this stupid?
@@angelavery3840 care to be more specific? (I made the lore long ago, now as I'm trying to move back in the game I'm working it again, so constructive criticism would be much appreciated. )
@@unseencrowyomare4143 let’s start with the positives:the concept is really unique for a space marine chapter, having lamenters be (somewhat) renegade is cool and having them cosplaying as flesh tearers is also an interesting concept and is ripe for storytelling potential but there is a few problems: first the imperium would easily see through the façade,if I remember correctly don’t the lamenters have unique gene seed that is extremely recognizable because of the toaster boys alterations to them?and don’t space marines have codes to make sure that they are who they say they are?and also chaos would be salivating at the mouths to get them, so I suggest you add some chaos corruption that suits them,and have them be fully renegades and have a end point for them, I suggest nurgle corruption be that end point as I’m assuming that there is a lot of dread in the theban angels (dread is what nurgle feeds off of)also I suggest that Nicolo fall to nurgle corruption as what’s more righteous than giving people the gift of filth & plague? maybe have a civil war? But ultimately do what you want man, unconstructive criticism:theban angels is a stupid name and you should feel bad for even thinking of a stupid name like that>:(
@@angelavery3840 Uh...yeah, damn. I completely forgot that the cursed founding geneseed is incredibly recognisable. And yeah, the codes wouldn't add up, but that was not meant to be perpetual stance, just so they might get whatever time they needed to get the heck out of dodge. On the front of chaos, I'm thinking making them ending up falling to either Tzeencthian or Slaaneshy corruption (maybe eventually venerating both). Making some kinda grand blood orgy, and then drinking all that blood, denying it from Khorne. Thank you, mister/miss/gender-neutral-honorific.
OK a huge question for you guys at Astartes Anonymous I am new to the hobby and am trying to build a night lords warband for my first army I am hoping on making them more loyalist inspired meaning the miniatures are mostly just normal space space marines any ideas on how I could do this and wright a convincing lore
Simply state they are a (relative) young warband, not veterans of the long war, but newly trained neophytes, therefore their "newer" mostly looted wargear
IMO it will be VERY hard to write it convincingly, but hey, it's your army and so I say go for it. Red might flay me for saying this but the closest you'll get to loyalist Night Lords would be either the Blood Angels or Carcharodons, or if you want to do a little bit of deep diving I would suggest looking at Destroyer marines for inspiration. In the end, there were traitors and loyalists on both sides of the Heresy, and a lot of them where incorporated into the other legions. If I were to make this chapter I would make it this way: A chapter or a splinter of a chapter of Night Lords didn't like how dad was skinning the people they hade sworn to protect, and so maybe thanks to a friendship with a chapter of Ultramarines, they manage to joine them in fighting against their traitor kin before getting to join said loyalist legion for their staunch loyalty. Then, after millennias of passing down their tactics in the 34th Millennium, a company of Ultramarines have now shaped their own culture and way of warfare based on these tactics from these long forgotten legends of the Heresy, and now they get the honour of getting their own successor chapter. Basically they will be Ultramarines that conduct warfare in a way similar to the Night Lords, sharing some traits of the Night Haunter that may have been muted over the years of their gene seed getting diluted by Guilliman's. Any ways, that's my quick take, hope it helps : )
I realised I may have missunderstood your question! As totalCoolerUsername said, make them a young warband, but know that this will mean that they won't be seen as real Night Lords by other sons of Konrad and may cause it's own challenges.
In the Night Lords trilogy by Aaron Dembski-Bowden, he goes into great detail of how the Night Lords scavenge and cannibalize every piece of armor they can find. Maybe your Night Lords found a way to poison a large group of loyalist marines, so they took their armor to replace their own damaged equipment
Thanks for the video. I've been thinking about putting together a damned renegade chapter of space marines from the ghoul stars. I was thinking of a rare calling where Dead specters marines or any space that has spent too long near the ghoul stars wander out to find this chapter. The phenomenon I was thinking could be called the path of the bleeding stars. Named for the first symptom would be visions and dreams of stars bleeding or a blood like aurora among the star ways and lost marnies doing horrific acts among dead planets haunt their dreams. Basically, haunting the dead worlds and experimenting on xeno and psycana tech. Though, I don't know what to call the goal since it would not be a fall to chaos, but the fall to the eerie unknown xenos of the harrowing. I was thinking even having these visions trap guardsmen men as well. Anyways, thanks agian.
With this video, I want to create a loyalist chapter who are possesed by demons and battle them for dominance and those that come on top, are blessed with powers of the demons they conquered and use to against other factions.
I’ve never played warhammer but I’ve always thought it would be so cool to create my own night lord loyalist gene seed chapter and through the years of playing them they could turn into renegades and then maybe even turn to chaos
my marine concept is the chaos touched a group of marines from several chapters that have come together to directly combat the necron threat so they became necro hunters also using their weapon systems integrated into their armour but chaos found then and each one touched by chaos their leader touched my nurgle their banner guy touched by slaneesh and their main enforcer touched my knorn and finally their librarian touched by tzeech their basic troops are pretty much renegades serving slowly corrupting masters so they basically in body being slowly corrupted they show lil signs but in spirit they still serve to fight the necron threat my fist idea and i love it
Renegade chapters can probably be classified as less bad than most if not every single Loyalist chapter by virtue of forgoing the Imperium's superstructure.
The psycho-indoctrination that SMs undergo may be impotent to a blight of the soul like Chaos, but even amongst the worshippers of the dark gods you'll often see the hatred of the alien still very much a thing.
It's arguably possible in a chapter that is more sympathetic like a salamanders successor, maybe the fall deciding not to turn their flamers on the tau after fighting chaos space marines together.
@@Empressofnight It is even more possible for a chapter such as a raven guard successor (or unforgiven) orreally any chapter that believes in thinking things through Could get in trouble with the imperium as part of fighting chaos and look for the best source of support against chaos. If you're an anti chaos chapter and the imperium has betrayed you.The greater good would look like.The best best chance to maintain resources to continue your fight against chaos. Shadowsun's renegade worlds even more so. I mean, your idea also makes sense.But it wasn't what I had in mind.
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Personally really like the idea of renegades setting up their own mini empires maybe truly neutral, chaos or like a imperial vassal state
That’s what I felt they should have done with Perturabo and since he’s the only traitor primarch that could do it. But instead we got another lame demon primarch 🙄
It only adds to the setting, I think, of truly independent space marines who govern themselves and their pledged servants as they see fit. There is so much narrative potential there
I want this for my own chapter. They are on the far side of the great rift and so are independent basically by force.
most of the imperium works in a lord-vassal configuration already, so being an imperial vassal state is pretty much the same as just being part of the imperium.
a good example of this is Ultramar
Okay here's one for you:
Out of the Imperial arsenal, no tool is more powerful than bureaucracy. There is none more mundane, and certainly none more flawed; when the Embers of Gast Chapter was penned down as being in, rather than their actual backline position, the very frontline alongside a regiment of Vostroyan Firstborn, which was overrun by Tyranids and subsequently bombed to dust, the Marines were declared annihilated to the last, and their homeworld being sticklers for rules beyond most were refused to be acknowledged as still surviving.
So they resettled on the dark side of their homeworld's moon, operating without orders, guarding it without further contact.
Their fortress-monastery would in time be regarded a monument, as the people believed the spirits of their Angels still protected them... Rumours of human figures clad in armour stalking its halls would perpetuate the myth, which caused tributes of supplies to be laid before the monument, and each would be spirited away by what was now called the Ghosts of Gast.
Based.
My own Homebrew Renegade Chapter ended up doing a little bit of every ending you mentioned. They started out World Eaters with the Butchers Nails then turned during the Horus Heresy with the rest of the legion. After the Heresy a high ranking World Eater who still loved the Emporer took a small amount of similar minded marines and winded up a Black Shield Chapter for a time serving the Imperium once agian. However they still had the Butchers Nails and the Chapter Master, the same Marine who originally turned away from the World Eaters, fell to the Butchers Nails while the second in command tried to cover it up. Eventually the Marines turned Renegade after one too many incidents as a result of the Butchers Nails and the Chapter Master began falling to Khorn all over agian. The Chapter Master had become a lunatic constantly being hid by the second in command who at this point was calling the shots trying to satisfy the legion full of Butchers Nails marines while keeping the Chapter Masters condition a secret ending with them walking the line between Renegade and Choas worshipper while their numbers dropped like flies until eventual extinction after drifting through the warp right in the way of some Iron Warriors. Tried not to get descripive to prevent myself from being here typing for awhile
My homebrew chapter fits in the eventual extinction category. However, the path leading up to the extinction I’ll need some outside help in deciding if it makes sense within the narrative.
The Uniters were originally Iron Warriors that remained loyal during the Horus Heresy. Guilliman allowed them to create their own chapter to serve the Imperium.
During the Age of Apostasy, the Uniters were declared excommunicate Traitoris, and their homeworld was under siege by Vandire’s forces. The Uniters enacted an emergency escape plan that allowed them to escape on the largest piece of their planet to be rebuilt into a space station.
The chapter and its human populace survived several thousand years in the galaxy by making friends with chapters that agreed with their principles, or straight up helping a chapter in a warzone, so that the Uniters can one day call upon favors to aid them.
The chapter actively defends itself against Imperial forces hunting them down and Iron Warriors seeking to punish them for rebelling against Perturabo.
The Uniters would catch a fresh break in the form of the Tau Empire. Trade agreements with the Tau allowed the Uniters to better maintain their space station and its people. And the upgraded weapons the Tau offered allowed the Uniters to defend themselves from Imperial forces better. And on active battlefields, the Uniters would invite Imperial Guard to join their ranks as auxiliary troops much like the Ultramar Auxilia does for the Ultramarines.
However, despite their recent successes, a looming sense of impending doom falls upon the chapter.
The chapter will fall in the wake of the 13th Black Crusade, and the only thing of the Uniters Guilliman will find with his own two eyes is a single marine, wailing in anguish as he survived to see his entire brotherhood die before they got the chance to reunite with the primarch that gave them a chance.
To be fair, you could make a chapter whose reason for excommunication IS that they made a world into "Traitors".
An Example for my future homebrew chapter (the basic premise):
They basically converted their entire Homeworld to the beliefs of the Emperor being no god, but a hero. And that Invention is not heresy. Basically the pre-ecclesiarchy beliefs.
You can't forget the renegade chapter, The Fence Sitters
My renegade marines are called the iron vanguard. A former great company of the iron warriors. During the Horus heresy they captured a forge ship from the admech and left for the rim of the galaxy. Their reason being the their warpsmith viewed both sides as unworthy of service.
As of present there are a mercenary group who works for the highest bidders . Chaos is viewed as cancer to them so only through advancing their technology can they survive. The end goal for them is to find a way out of the galaxy before the Tyranids devour it.
Out of curiousity, do they know about Black Shields?
@@QuantemDeconstructoryes but they view abandoning their iconography as an insult to their history and sacrifices.
@@mock2046 Understandingable
I have a renegade chapter called the Iron Hunters (place holder name) who were decarded renegades because it was discovered they had Iron warrior gene seed and instead of being executed going on a self determined penance crusade and attack as many chaos war bands as possible and "borrowing" war gear from other chapters there currently around 300-400 members
I like the idea of perpetual renegades, like a small chapter becoming more like pirates or guns for hire. That seems cool.
next how about homebrew Sisters Of Battle Orders or something in that line?
Charcharodons showed an additional way of resupply and refacing to the imperium; simply stay hidden long enough and be conveniently placed so you can raid other astartes for recruits and material 😂
Im doing a renegade chapter semi-based on iron warriors, like an offshoot that stayed loyal initially but deserted when they saw what their brothers became
No mention of the Ashen Claws? A renegade that's been in operation possibly since the horus heresy
They're reffred as Blackshields not Renegade Chapter because even though they're declared Renegades they're still loyal in thier own right Fighting for humanity in thier own way, from the shadows. They exist since Horus Heresy and are split from Legion so not chapter turned renegade. It's sad and impressive that they're the only one Blackshields that survived since Horus Heresy. I think we need more Homebrew Blackshields like those Ancient Renegades living unchanged since Heresy Fighting for Imperium that declared them traitors 10 Thousands years ago, sounds cool
Having your renegades always fall to chaos seems like a copout and a poor use of creative liberties. Why not have a renegade chapter align with the greater good? Seems like a hell of a far more logical answer than "Chaos, again!"
The Tau are still a very tiny empire of a couple hundred worlds at the upper end of estimates that are pretty limited to the Damocles Gulf, compared to the Imperium's millions and millions of worlds. This heavily restricts the number of Chapters that would even know they exist, much less have encountered them, much less have spent the time to become aware of what the Tau believe in, much less how many would additionally go renegade.
However, if you take one stage back of a general "Join up with an External Empire" that includes the Tau but also other Xenos as well as minor Human Empires that exist on the fringes like the Veiled Region, the Halo Zone, the Ghoul Stars, and the like, that is a direction that seems to have much, much higher odds of happening. The borders of the Imperium are extremely vast, after all.
To be honest I see a lot of cooperation between renegade chapters and loyal subjegts through subterfuge; even most guard officers've never seen a marine let alone thousand liverys
Honestly yeah I can see that happening, like for the common human governor I doubt they even know what different chapters are
Do the Carcaeadons/Space Sharks count as renegade? Or are they loyalists with renegade similarities?
@@user-gc8qv9gr2b They are loyalists, as they have stated so. They don't communicate often, so they're almost like renegades
@@rasmuskock8077 Your clarification is appreciated
I also wouldn't complain if a space marine decided the tyranid fleet coming for me at mach fuck needs to go down, loyalist or not.
My renegade chapter is called the Pioneers.
They are Ultramarines successors (Ultima Founding) who, prior to their fall, used to be considered shining examples of loyalty to the Imperium, and were great heroes. They cared for civilians in battle, and always helped rebuild afterwards.
One day, however, the Thousand Sons attacked their homeworld and their fortress monastery, known as Nova Point (they had numerous relics previously taken as trophies from them). This battle was against the entire chapter, and to ensure that they wouldn’t be reinforced the 1k Sons created a warp storm around the system.
Unfortunately, the high warp activity ended up attracting Hive Fleet Kronos. Surrounded and forced to choose between life or death, the two armies begrudgingly joined forces to fight back and drove the Hive Fleet away.
The Imperium, upon discovering this, declared them Excommunicata Traitoris and the Inquisition sent the Grey Knights to wipe out their remaining warriors (chaos corruption and all that). This event would be known as the Night of Extinction in their chapter history, but 89 marines and one Venerable Dreadnought managed to escape on a small frigate called the “Silver Bullet”. Their chapter master was dead, and they weren’t even a specific company, rather the remnants of forces from across the entire Chapter.
Now, they roam the galaxy as a traveling band of mercenaries. They resent the government of the Imperium, but not the people within it, and so still fight to aid beleaguered worlds.
Having not been resupplied in decades, their armor is a dirty off-white color, and their gear is scrapped together from whatever they have. Their acting “chapter master” is actually the captain of the Fifth Company, who dons half-functioning Gravis armor armed with whatever gear they had spared. He has a Terminator Power Sword and an Inceptor’s bolt pistol (proxied in games as a Gravis Cap. w/sword+rifle). Their armor is also greatly uneven, with parts taken from every Mark (aside from Thunder, but nobody has access to that).
Omg I've been waiting for this one
me too im very excited
I've been working on a Homebrew Renegade Chapter for a little while called the Phoenix Praetors (Formerly the Red Praetors). They were an Ultima Founding chapter who specialized in Shock Assaults, Reinforcing Hopelessly outmatched Imperial forces, and delivering decapitation strikes on Enemy forces.
Their fall happened on the (homebrew) planet of Malticore. They were dispatched by the Inquisition Ordo Xenos to reinforce badly outnumbered and undersupplied Guardsmen and Sisters of Battle, who were loosing ground to Necrons. The Red Praetors personally saved the lives of many sisters, guardsmen, and civilians and then destroyed the Necron Overlord and primary Tomb with an Orbital Assault. However, they made a fatal mistake.
The Necrons had been experimenting with enhanced Mind Shackle Scarabs, and were trying to create a weapon to mind control and enslave mass numbers of humans. (Think Pariah Nexus zombies but on a planetary scale). As such, many sisters and Guardsmen were taken prisoner and experimented on, turning them into mind controlled slaves to the Necrons. The Red Preators encountered these soldiers during their attack of the Tomb structure and couldn't bring themselves to kill them. They instead believed strongly that once the Necrons were defeated, these people could be saved and their free will restored. . . And they were right. The death of the Overlord and destruction of his tomb structure broke the mind control over the humans and restored their free will. In total, the Red Preators saved millions of captured Guardsmen and Sisters all over the planet, who needless to say were indebted to and thankful for the Space Marines. It was, by any logical standard, the greatest victory for the Red Preators yet.
However the Inquisitor who dispatched them didn't see it that way. She considered all the non-space marines on the planet already too tainted by Necron technology to be trusted, and ordered the Red Preators to genocide all of the Imperial forces and citizens of the Planet, even those never infected by the Necrons. But again, the Red Preators refused to kill the Imperial forces. The Inquistor and the Chapter Master had a heated exchange, in which the Inquistor declared that she spoke with the authority of the Emperor. The Chapter Master responded by saying, "If a fool, who claimes to speak for the God Emperor, should condemn an entire world to death, showing no mercy to the wounded, the weak, the children, the women, and the prisoner, based on nothing more than a whim, and carry the force of law; then I can no longer serve this Imperium." And immediately gunned the Inquisitor and her Retinue down.
The Inquisition would declare the Red Praetors, Excommunicate Tairoris, and sent the Minortars to destroy them, their fleet, and the Imperial forces on the planet of Malticore. However, the Sisters and Guardsmen would aid the Red Preators, seeing the Inquisition as rogue and Minotaurs as out of line and acting against the will of the Emperor. A gruesome battle ensued, in which the Minotaurs sustained heavy casualties due to the dug in defendors of Malticore. The Inquisition finally decided to declare Malticore Exterminatus, and Virus bomb the surface. However, the Red Preators would successfully evacuate the Sisters of Battle in their entirety, many Guard units, and as many civilians as their ships could carry. The fleet then escaped in the chaos and made a blind jump through the Immaterium, arriving together many lightyears away, but a decade later than when they jumped.
Now the renamed Pheonix Preators cannot simply tolerate extinction, as they have dedicated themselves to protecting the sisters they rescued, as well as the survivors of Malticore. In all the adventures they've had so far, they've narrowly avoided the Inquisition a few times, allied themselves with the Farsight Enclave, defeated a Chaos Lord plotting to ambush the Carcarodons (earning an under-the-table alliance with Tyberous and his boys), lost a catastrophic number of their marines in an encounter with the Black Templars (starting a fued with the Black Templars), finding an uncharted planet and colonizing it for the survivors, and a scrap with the Drukari.
That sounds so cool. If you mind me asking what's their color scheme and how has it changed from their imperium days
@@kingofrexes666gamingandmor5 Sure. It's a fairly new homebrew so I haven't fleshed it out much yet. The color scheme used to be Red with silver trim and White / Gold decorative panels (imitating a Roman Legion). However, with their change of name and exile from the Imperium, they've changed their color scheme slightly to include orange flames. (These denote the fall of Malticore, but also the fire of rebirth and a new mission for the chapter)
As far as changes go, they started out as fiercely loyal to the Imperium, even willing to take orders from the Inquisition. They now evaluate each group on a case by case basis. They've allied with Commander Farsight and Tyberous, but will basically take any opportunity now to get payback on the Black Templars and Inquisition. They've also gone from broadly protecting Imperial Citizens, to really only caring for the citizens and descendants of Malticore. (Adding just a bit of grimdark to an otherwise mary-sue chapter.) They've raided words under siege by Tyranids for supplies, since the Imperial forces there can't really spare the firepower to stop them, leading to mass civilian casualties.
Additionally, the Chapter has had at least one squad fall to Khorn, during combat with the Black Templars. And the Chapter Master himself has been tempted by Chaos, though managed to resist it with guidance from Commander Farsight. Interestingly, one way they've gone about preventing more of their Marines from falling to Khorn is by allowing their Battle Brothers to marry and build families on the secluded world they've recent colonized. This has so far proven effective, though less than half of their members have actually taken advantage of this freedom.
Me: *Doesn't hear a single thing about possibility of Renegade Space Marines joining Tau empire* Awwwwwww...
Do it
Hatred of the imperial of man for being betrayed mixed with a refusal to fall to chaos and a need for more support and supplies allowing themselves to support the tau empire as the ultimate a screw you to the imperium of man.
My Renegade chapter are all but extinct now.
Iron Hands succesorsthat worked for a slightly dodgy Forgeworld by bringing them xeno and forbidden tech. When rhe Inquisition got wind the Forgeworld threw thm under the bus to save their own skins, and the chapter got buggered by both the Imperium cuttign thwm off and sending a warfleet after them and a traitor chaper attacking them while they were weakened.
They almost got a redemption arc, when another Inquisitor offered them penitence by joining a Crusade, but then the Carcharodons showed up, and rhe Renegades decided to go out in a blaze of glory against the Space Sharks, when it became obvious they werent going to accept them joing the crusade, and attempting it would just cause rhe two fleets to attack one another.
I did have one tech marine and a trio of scouts survive though, who got quietly follded into a loyalist Chapter, just in case i ever wanr to do something with them one day
As the biggest fan of Soul Drinkers I am happy that you mentioned them but I feel like it could had been a bit longer both for their part and flame falcons and relictors. Flame Falcons have barely anything written about them, Relictors lore is all over the place and Soul Drinkers is just people don't wanna read Ben Counter's writing and I understand why but I enjoyed them. And also as someone who doesn't enjoys the primaris a lot I think Ben did write the greatest Primaris scene ever:
'We're blasting our way in again,' mused Sasan 'Praise the Primarch who didn't teach us subtlety.'
'Would you rather knock on the door, Brother Sasan ?' Growled Phraates
Honestly I thought on making a Loyalist Chapter who are more on the nobler side, being very brotherly and honorable. Perhaps named the Unchained Sons. They're very good at melee, often practicing against each other in fighting arena's and trying to improve each other's skill. However they were made with Traitor Gene stock and some are suspicious of that fact, leading to them not being fully trusted despite their stalwart image. The conceit of this Chapter is essentially building on the lost potential for goodness that the World Eaters had before getting the butcher's nails and falling to Chaos.
Perhaps they could have a period of being renegades? I imagine them temporarily having turned renegade while aiding another chapter that'd also gone renegade but were going full chaos Kool aid and so the Unchained Sons decided to redeem themselves by slaying that traitor chapter to the last and presenting their remains to the Imperium. Now they've been accepted but they're low in numbers and morale, requiring time to rebuild and heal after almost having fallen to the dark gods
I have a little idea wich requires a ton of settings, but would work out pretty neat.
Basically a warpstorm transports a space hulk into an unknown region of the galaxy where the ship gets shredded by a massive asteriod field. An unknown Xeno species salvages the remains and through their incredibely advanced technology do they manage to revive and forcibly evolve a regular crewmember. This member, now evolved into a psyker, kills the xenos and makes use of what they have left to prepare building an outpost for the Imperium. He tricks a whole xeno empire (different species) into thinking he's an ally and plays them for decades until he can manage to find more humans and turn them into a new Astartes chapter through the aid of the xenotech.
Not gonna lie that sound like a very cool and unique approach, yet something that is quite likely to happen in 40k. There are similar enough precedents after all. I hope you so not mind if I yoink a few ideas
@@SW05 Please feel free😄 I'm glad you like it.
Hell, spinning a narrative on eventual, assured extinction is *extremely* fun! You get to go "How much metal? YES!"
I think that the perpetuity route does not work because it lacks the node of tension that is key to making the story of a renegade group work: how they deal with impending doom.
Perpetuity would mean beating impending doom and that simply doesn't happen: you either embrace doom (by going out with a bang) or cheat it only to realize you were the one being cheated all along (by embracing Chaos).
I’d love to see this series return with such factions/sub-factions as the Imperial Guard and Knights, the three flavors of Eldar, and the Tau and Orks. This is a great series for getting ideas started!
I remember two case of Renegade chapter :
- The first one is of obscure origin (fanmade or really old GW work), the Emperor's Basilisk. The reason for their fall was their forsight roughly 3-4 seconds ahead of time, more powerfull if the marine is older. Their success multiplied on the battlefield and once the Inquisition found out, they got purged... incompletely. In the end, roughly 45 marines managed to flee and amazingly, they didn't fell to chaos but continue to fight for the Imperium. I would say that Forsight is a great gift to survive, but not a deus ex machina.
- The "Phoenix Brethren". Originally knowned as the "Flame Falcon", it's also a mutation case with powers, Inquisition go nuts and they flee. But this time, 9 out of the 10 companies sacrifice their live to allowed all their scout (10th company) + their geneseed stock + apothecaries/techmarines + chief librarian with disciples to get away. Hidden in a hijacked cargoship, they reached a backwater system judged useless by the sub-sector governor and threatened by Eldars. Even in their poor state, they were a miraculous sight for the defender and they managed to save 6 worlds. The Eldars, fearing to face only the vanguard of a full chapter, fled.
At this point, they got REALLY lucky : the 6 planetary governor + military chiefs guessed that they were fleeing something and propose a refuge, which was accepted. Their existence was a secret, easily put in place thanks to the clear arrogance and carelessness of the subsector governor, the "accidental oversight" from the local administratum and the grateful populace. Better then, the system became the home of a secretive splinter faction of the Adeptus Mechanicus, giving the now renamed "Phoenix Brethren" an access to small factoriums. They lived there for a millenia.
Right now, they are on the run again due to their active defence of the system against a chaos invasion that didn't go unnoticed this time. Thankfully, the investigation were delay long enough for them to get out once again. Also, they met during the fight the honorable "Lions triumphant" chapter and made a deal : The Lions will give a good part of their fleet and the promise of defending the 6 worlds in exchange for the Fortress-Monastery of the Phoenix's Brethren. Now a proper fleet-based "renegade" chapter, they are an unexpected help to any imperial world.
An awesome tale.
4 seconds foresight in combat can mean the difference between life and death. That's pretty potent honestly.
Yeah one of my biggest obstacles has always been that I really like the aesthetic and style of the Space Marines and Imperial Guard, but I passionately loath the Emperor and the zealotry that they have for him. So this is kind of my only path.
Funny how the rarest option is the most selfish. Fighting for nothing, but themselves. Thanks for the video.
One things I did and seems fun is "๋Allied Renegade"
Like Carcharodons and Ashen claws working together
You still play and paint the most as Loyalist chapter.
but paint some of your unit like first born or even mark 3-4 models as renegade reinforcement.
A lovely video, that layed out the things one should think about when trying a renegade chapter. I very much enjoyed. The one thing I will say is that there are a few examples of marines being able to replentish themselves and recruit new astartes without the support of the wider imperium. The carcharodons and ashen claws support one another, in a rather tenuous system, but are otherwise cut off from the imperium for the most part. Yet both are able to create new marines. I think it is entirely valid to have a chapter, with enough cunning and patience as you mentioned, have the ability to steal equiptment and supplies and retain the ability to creat astartes.
A chapter that whose gene seed has started to degrade and mutate is so desperate to continue their legacy that they steal gene seed from another chapter and begin experimenting with it. Obviously this goes terribly at the start but with enough trial and error a relatively stable hybrid gene seed is created. But the theft is discovered and they are forced submit or flee. Choosing to flee, they eke out a desperate existence on the run from the inquisition, scavenging what they can find, stealing everything else they need, and perhaps dealing with other renegades or traitors when it suits them. Imperial worlds will have their vaunted angels of death turned desperate scavengers fall upon them suddenly in a hit and run attack. Buildings bombed, officials assassinated, defenders ambushed all as a feint while they are robbed. Could be a compelling story about how, regardless of their incredible abilities, astartes are still human in how they think, and desperate people do some wild things.
I had no clue he made the carrion engines, I found them on Reddit when I was looking for inspiration for my chapter the iron mongers.
Would be really fun to create a homebrew imperial guards regiment
That's what I'm doing right now with a little space marine thrown in.
I was considering making a chapter that's a hybrid geneseed of raven guard/salamander chapter with a few adepta sororitas that was marked as traitors when they chose to spare a group of xenos that saved them during a battle with orks.
YO I DIDNT KNOW HE MADE THE CARION ENGINES, I love the little snapshot images that have lore about the specific characters
Done this with my Tau, not quite evil not quite good, want to be left alone and hide in deep space on a scared paradise world, why? Long story, but they found a species of peacful xeno bugs that have managed to convince to do non tau things like have hobbies, cross breed casts and do selfish things fron time to time. If you think this is too wholesome its meant to be depressing as in this universe nothing this good can last, cut off from recources and attracting unwanted attention everytime their homes invaded their world becomes more scarred and barren, and many of my own custom characters are dead leaving few alive and the leader so depressed and traumatized she forgets what shes doing. Also the Xeno bugs are bees and i use bees as drones on the tabletop!
I used these guides for my first homebrew chapter, they were really helpful, I was stuck on a few things for this space Wolves/World eaters hybrid chapter I was working on when I found the loyalist chapter guide
So, watching this actually gave me an idea on how to take my homebrew chapter:
officially, the Knights of Iron are a renegade chapter, declared Excommunicate Traitoris after word reached the high lords that they worked alongside a force of Necrons to deal with a chaos/Tyranid threat (I'm not sure on which of the two, probably chaos though, cliched it may be). The Knights are an ultima founding, so they lack the long history of firstborn chapters, and thus the powerful wargear. What is known to none but the inner circle of the chapter is thus: the Knights are one of a few Ultima founding chapters given a mission by Gulliman himself: to explore the possibility of long time alliance between humanity and other xenos, and this particular dynasty of necrons was selected because of records showing they are heavily honorbound, and would come to an ally's aid, even if there is little benefit to them, and the Knights just so happened to save the dynasty's crownworld while it was still waking and seemed to be a feudal world.
Since this is still early, does anyone have advice, while I post this here?
So, night lords and alpha legion would teeechnicaly count as renegade space marines (iron warriors are weird, sort of renegade, sort of not, since they don't worship the dark gods for the most part)
I’m actually creating a home brew chapter. I haven’t made a name yet but they’re from an unknown founding and their Gene-Seed is from the death guard. They are actually renegade right now. Some snot-nosed purist inquisitor found out and began to send them on suicidal missions leading to them splitting from the imperium and being declared renegade heretics. They are actually held up on a backwater agri-world that the imperium doesn’t care about so their just chilling out there, while trying to get recruits from the locals to bolster their numbers, I am still deciding on their path but this video is very helpful
Excuse me Lord Inquisitor, I think it's this one right here
Could a renegade chapter find a small human colony in the fringe of the imperium and use that as a resupply place for weapons recruits etc?
What are the chances of a renegade chapter that has no desire to join chaos or rejoin the imperium choosing to join the Tau for the sake of survival? They could start recruiting new marines from the children of Gue'vesa and have access to Tau tech. If it's a chapter hellbent on remaining renegade in perpetuity, surely they wouldn't be above working with xenos?
So if a renegade chapter and it's chapter planet joined up with the tau, I suppose that's a renegade that would have the supply lines to exist in perpetuity?
I just saw the other two videos yesterday and was wondering where this one was, impeccable timing!
Pretty sure the ashen claws fall under the 4 branch and they are a canon chapter, didn’t know if you knew about them or not. There Terran raven guard that have lived in the outer edges for the galaxy for 10,000 years and survive by raiding worlds and trading with other chapters.
An idea I have is a renegade salamanders successor that have decided to fight for the greater good after having to side with a unit of Tau fire warriors to fight off a chaos warband that outnumbered both of them.
Would love to see you go into creating some other subfactions! Particularly would be keen to see one delving into creating a necron dynasty
This has been incredibly useful with giving me some ideas for the end result of my main homebrew. One which I hope you have enjoyed reading about and maybe will be featured in your review series.
It took me a full week just to create a homebrew house for my Imperial Knights, I don't want to even try to figure out a Renegade Chapter.
I’m glad you made this video, I’ve been working on a book for my homebrew for over a year now and it’s ballooned to a series of three. I’ve got a whole backstory and history for not only the armies of but also the citizenry of their home world.
Looking forward to putting it online eventually
What about a renegade chapter that doesn't hate xeno and they get excumunticated because they sided with the tau or something , they dont like chaos and dont care to rejoin the loyalist , could they get supplied by a xeno species 🤔
You can write what you want. However, their extra organs that they have to implant into new recruits should be accounted for, IF you want them to be able to maintain their numbers.
My kneejerk reaction is yes, but not really because they couldn’t maintain their numbers that way for long due to the difficulty in acquiring the extra organs.
My home brew is known as the Basterds. On their maiden voyage from their homeworld they became lost to the void. They re emerged a thousand years later with no memories whatsoever. They were rescued by an alien race but eventually captured by the inquisition.
I made one a while ago called the Crimson Phantoms. Originally called the crimson paragons of the 10th founding, they were eventually deemed heretics in mid M41 when thir geneseed deviated too much to be conisedered anything but retchedly impure. Not to mention their esoteric cult that believes that their mutations and Red Thirsts were gifts from Sanguinius himself- further alienated them from their brother chapters.
Since then, they have become a nomadic mercenary group, dealing largely with xenos races such as the Fra'al, Aeldari fractions and a Necron dynasty at war with itself. While their numbers did take a beating, their deals granted them an array of phase weopons and armoramong other tech- leading them to use more stealth, guerilla warfare and terror tactics (iilmagine blood angels boarding your ship, then phasing through the walls to grab and devour you) bwfore sending the rest of the chapter rushes in.
With the fall of Cadia came unprecedented opportunity, travelling imperial nihlus and either aiding imperial worlds in exchange for great "tithes, for a totally loyal astartes chapter" or full on raiding them to recoup numbers and resources.
Loving these videos guys! Absolutely 10/10!! I’m currently writing a homebrew chaos warband and the videos are amazing references when I get stuck or hit a wall!!
So i am working on what is effectively a homebrew of Lamenters. With their lore being that after being sent out to fight a full hive fleet of Tyranids, their ship is baddly damaged beyond repair traveling limited sub light speed without a navigator to steer them. Eventually gthe ship breaks apart over a human colonized world however it isn't apart of the Imperium. Initially the colonists are hesitant of the survivors since the world is often raided by World Eaters. The planet known as Haven has numerous STC's that have allowed the colonists to buildup their world to be the equivalent to Maccrage prior to its expansion into the 500 worlds. Leading these Lost Lamenters is a single Dreadnought and most of the other survivors are a mix first son's and Primaris their equipment is mostly scavenged from whatever they could find. Their primary form of communication is signal flares and chalk markings they aren't doing so hot even by the standards of the other 2 present factions.
What about Bob and the baby punchers (they punch babies)
Let's GOOOO. I've been waiting for this vid
im 1 inch away from making a renegade chapter that refused primaris upgrade
So a chapter of chads then?
@cousinzeke4888 I'm so sick of primaris all their options suck all their vehicles suck and none of it is sanctioned by the emperor
@@helkdona226I'm right there with you, they don't have an ounce of soul.
@cousinzeke4888 dude let's make a renegade alliance of 1st born with the premise that the primaris are not of the emperors will. I have some ideas
Are y'all going to do one on Homebrew Guard? I've been in and out of the hobby since 7th and have been a Guard main through and through. I've never put many serious attempts towards homebrewing with me winding up just scrapping most of my ideas. Any advice is always welcome and keep up the good work.
i would also love that, i have an idea of what i want for an imperial guard regiment but would like to hear some pointers
@nickstevenson5081 the only ones I can think of is "don't get too attached" and remember literally everything can and will kill them.
I think if I were to write a renegade chapter, which I'm going to, I'm either going to make it so they go extinct or perpetuity. I think a smarter wat for perpetuity to be the case wouldn't be just scavenging, but more like the banished from HALO, where the leader has so much charisma, inspiration and straight up convincing speech skills he convinces opposing forces to join his ranks. I think I'll do that but then one of his generals starts a rebellion and splits the chapter eventually leading to the chapter leader's sides demise and the general's side falling to chaos.
I like the colour scheme of your first renegade space marine homebrew
Dolphin marines
A war band who hang near the galactic fridge attacking imperial worlds
Are very friendly about it and use mostly range.
Wear black with grey back unit and shoulders
Leader: orca , the blue tide
Arch enemies: carcharadons
Excommunicated for concerincly frequent alliances with chaos
Fuck you, that's the Sea Wolves. Those're my guys
When I was younger I made my Marines fight alongside the Tau as I had just started collecting the latter. In my High School Club, I essentially made them go Mercenary for a while. I never gave it a lot of thought or reason though
Awesome video, informative and inspiring.
YESSSSSSSSSS! I HAVE BEEN WAITING SO LONG
I'm still new to Warhammer 40k so I have been wondering can you also make homebrew from the Xeno factions or maybe create a entirely homebrew Xeno race because if so, what would the guidelines be for that??
Your own xenos factions are definitely on the table.
Your own races become a tricky subject. You could proxy (when you have one model count as another) models as an existing race.
Anything too far away from a paint job or a bit swap will depend on your game group.
Great video guys, thoroughly enjoyed it, but I’ve one major criticism;
Where do you get the idea that renegade chapters can’t replenish their numbers? A chapter recoups losses mainly by harvesting geneseed from its own fallen marines. Each marine can produce two copies of its geneseed a mere 10 years after initial implantation.
This is literally the primary method of ‘reproduction’ among marines, how maimed chapters recover from conflict and how neophyte chapters grow to full strength in the first place.
What threatens this process is attrition over a shorter period than the training cycle for a single ‘batch’ of marines, or geneseed corruption. Outside of that, a renegade chapter has the same capacity for bouncing back as a loyalist one, hardly ‘a dead marine is a permadeath’. Where have you gotten this idea?
I mean, how else do you think the Ashen Claws have been doing it this past 10,000 years, or any chapter with little to no contact with the adeptus terra, for that matter? They’re certainly not receiving regular shipments of their progenitor’s geneseed… they just handle it in house. It’s why the only times we hear of chapters struggling with numbers is if they are under constant, heavy attrition or have disastrous geneseed degradation.
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Day 3 of asking for "Creating your Guard Regiment"
this sounds so cool
Had an idea for a space marine chapter based on cowboys of the spaghetti western Genre. Clint Eastwood and John Wayne type, know as: the Lone Rangers
A successor chapter, that, had committed a crime, and are on a penatus crusade.
The specialize in quick draw gunslinger style of combat, and mounted combat. Some believe they are a successor to the white scars because of their proficiency in speeders and lack of announcing the glories, but some say raven guard because they seem to appear out of now where when they are needed, and disappear without a trace when the job is done.
To go with the idea of the spaghetti western movies, the chapter has a cowboy design on top of their space their power armor. Speers on their boots, cowboy hats on their helmets. Their insignia is that of the marshalls star or a bull's skull. Their bolt guns are custom made to be a six shooter, or a classic shotgun. And the speeders have a horse figure head on it
Because of them being on a penatus crusade, only one lone ranger marine is ever seen. Giving the impression that he is the last of his chapter.
Come to think of it, that’s not the only hard line you take here that seems somewhat arbitrary.
Acting as though a resupply is impossible due to forge-worlds being unwilling to risk the wrath of the imperium makes little sense when being invaded or destroyed by space marines itself represents one of the worst things the wrath of the imperium can bring upon such a world. If a renegade chapter conquers a forge, will that forge invariably choose death over agreeing to supply that chapter with munitions? Why? How would they even know that the chapter in question is a renegade one, given how often Imperium forces come to blows?
Even assuming the adeptus terra has perfect records of every loyal/renegade chapter, how would they efficiently disseminate this information to all corners of the galaxy? The information we have seems to imply they can’t really do this, let alone that Forge World Gamma 469-Ø of the Ucthari cluster would necessarily even care about what the distant High Lords think when there’s an actual chapter of astartes breathing down their neck…
I have a question an inquisitor from the ordo xenos
Can they having custom a space marine kill team just spit balling ideas about them possibly having a group of space marines and the inquisitor gets framed for something, and them having to go into hiding for a bit the marines get sanctioned as renegade traitor ls
3:30 I think you left off a very interesting start: stranded Unnumbered Sons from the Indomitus Crusade.
Warp shenanigans spat out a strike cruiser into deep Wilderness Space: Navigator killer via Warp, Gellar shields irreplaceable damaged, combo, both, neither. For some reason they can't leave. They just so happen to be astronomically lucky and found a habitat system.
See it as a pocket Luft Huron with Cast Away and Hesrt of Darkness twists. By the time they Indominatus Crusade proper comes across them, they're labeled Heretic and slated for purging. Jack Sparrow a void craft and chapter history proper starts.
I know people are really weird about the "purity" of Primaris, but we've gotta come to terms with the fact that they're the "new" Space Marines. Might as well have some fun with it.
Honestly, this sounds great. Why should thr Red Corsairs keep the Space Marine Pirate schtik to themselves anyway
1:37 you're a Plague Marine just go in your pants
Although this I was thinking of the song ‘renegade master’. Great tips!
ok hear me out... Tau Marines :)
Hmm....preferably under Farsight's Enclave.
@@voidcastfam i just like the idea of all white marines with the Tau symbol on their oversized pauldrons. If I made a space marine army that's how I wanna paint it.
Thank you so much.
I love you all so much but what about the ashen claws arguably the most successful and infamous of the renegades????
Thank you! 🤘
any guides in the works for making a custom necron dynasty?
Does a chapter made of outcast, non chaos affiliated traitors or marines that disagree with how the imperium does things from all other chapters sound like a good idea? I was thinking about doing this along side my guard as well with them having soldiers from different regiments coming together as well along side the renegade chapter as well. Plus my eldar and tau armies do the same thing with all four of them being one group though I’m trying to figure out the lore for that. The reason for this was because I thought it would be cool if the three main races had groups that worked together and also because I was indecisive on one chapter or regiment. They all looked so cool 😅
I'll tell you what would be funny. Falling to Tau.
I assume my chapter would be counted as a renegade chapter. After claiming the messing with gene-seed to create primarus as heretical, then finding themselves cut of from the imperium when the galaxy was torn in two by chaos. Now they fight alone, cut off and facing extinction, with zealous fury. And will go down fighting, right down to the last battle brother.
Damn...no Crimson Slaughter mentioned? Wonderful video btw!
I really enjoy your videos! I was wondering if there was a method recommended to create your own ork clan?
My current army, Theban Angels, is kinda renegade. They claim to be just created Flesh Tearer successor, but they actually are Lamenters who said "F₩CK THIS NOICE, we are going to SURVIVE" during their penitent crusade.
As for their story, they are trying to survive, basically just trying to use name of Flesh Tearers to keep people off with the massive time gap, while they are thinking just what the hell are they supposed to do? Their leader, Nicolo, is certain for their righteousness, and sees the penitent crusade as a farce.
Basically, they are waiting for either to be noticed and forced to leave, or when they have enough sh!t to move further up the galaxy.
Is this stupid?
Yes & no
@@angelavery3840 care to be more specific? (I made the lore long ago, now as I'm trying to move back in the game I'm working it again, so constructive criticism would be much appreciated. )
@@unseencrowyomare4143 let’s start with the positives:the concept is really unique for a space marine chapter, having lamenters be (somewhat) renegade is cool and having them cosplaying as flesh tearers is also an interesting concept and is ripe for storytelling potential but there is a few problems: first the imperium would easily see through the façade,if I remember correctly don’t the lamenters have unique gene seed that is extremely recognizable because of the toaster boys alterations to them?and don’t space marines have codes to make sure that they are who they say they are?and also chaos would be salivating at the mouths to get them, so I suggest you add some chaos corruption that suits them,and have them be fully renegades and have a end point for them, I suggest nurgle corruption be that end point as I’m assuming that there is a lot of dread in the theban angels (dread is what nurgle feeds off of)also I suggest that Nicolo fall to nurgle corruption as what’s more righteous than giving people the gift of filth & plague? maybe have a civil war? But ultimately do what you want man,
unconstructive criticism:theban angels is a stupid name and you should feel bad for even thinking of a stupid name like that>:(
@@angelavery3840 Uh...yeah, damn. I completely forgot that the cursed founding geneseed is incredibly recognisable. And yeah, the codes wouldn't add up, but that was not meant to be perpetual stance, just so they might get whatever time they needed to get the heck out of dodge.
On the front of chaos, I'm thinking making them ending up falling to either Tzeencthian or Slaaneshy corruption (maybe eventually venerating both). Making some kinda grand blood orgy, and then drinking all that blood, denying it from Khorne.
Thank you, mister/miss/gender-neutral-honorific.
@@angelavery3840 oh, didn't see the last part.
U wrong. 🤬 doodoo head.
(Group was somewhat based around sacred band of Thebe)
OK a huge question for you guys at Astartes Anonymous I am new to the hobby and am trying to build a night lords warband for my first army I am hoping on making them more loyalist inspired meaning the miniatures are mostly just normal space space marines any ideas on how I could do this and wright a convincing lore
Simply state they are a (relative) young warband, not veterans of the long war, but newly trained neophytes, therefore their "newer" mostly looted wargear
IMO it will be VERY hard to write it convincingly, but hey, it's your army and so I say go for it. Red might flay me for saying this but the closest you'll get to loyalist Night Lords would be either the Blood Angels or Carcharodons, or if you want to do a little bit of deep diving I would suggest looking at Destroyer marines for inspiration. In the end, there were traitors and loyalists on both sides of the Heresy, and a lot of them where incorporated into the other legions. If I were to make this chapter I would make it this way: A chapter or a splinter of a chapter of Night Lords didn't like how dad was skinning the people they hade sworn to protect, and so maybe thanks to a friendship with a chapter of Ultramarines, they manage to joine them in fighting against their traitor kin before getting to join said loyalist legion for their staunch loyalty. Then, after millennias of passing down their tactics in the 34th Millennium, a company of Ultramarines have now shaped their own culture and way of warfare based on these tactics from these long forgotten legends of the Heresy, and now they get the honour of getting their own successor chapter. Basically they will be Ultramarines that conduct warfare in a way similar to the Night Lords, sharing some traits of the Night Haunter that may have been muted over the years of their gene seed getting diluted by Guilliman's.
Any ways, that's my quick take, hope it helps : )
I realised I may have missunderstood your question! As totalCoolerUsername said, make them a young warband, but know that this will mean that they won't be seen as real Night Lords by other sons of Konrad and may cause it's own challenges.
In the Night Lords trilogy by Aaron Dembski-Bowden, he goes into great detail of how the Night Lords scavenge and cannibalize every piece of armor they can find. Maybe your Night Lords found a way to poison a large group of loyalist marines, so they took their armor to replace their own damaged equipment
@@dylanreeck1589 I love this idea since I was hoping to making most of the command staff veterans from heresy
For the algorithm great video
Thanks for the video. I've been thinking about putting together a damned renegade chapter of space marines from the ghoul stars. I was thinking of a rare calling where Dead specters marines or any space that has spent too long near the ghoul stars wander out to find this chapter. The phenomenon I was thinking could be called the path of the bleeding stars. Named for the first symptom would be visions and dreams of stars bleeding or a blood like aurora among the star ways and lost marnies doing horrific acts among dead planets haunt their dreams. Basically, haunting the dead worlds and experimenting on xeno and psycana tech. Though, I don't know what to call the goal since it would not be a fall to chaos, but the fall to the eerie unknown xenos of the harrowing. I was thinking even having these visions trap guardsmen men as well. Anyways, thanks agian.
With this video, I want to create a loyalist chapter who are possesed by demons and battle them for dominance and those that come on top, are blessed with powers of the demons they conquered and use to against other factions.
There's a chapter called the Exorcists I believe who do this, you could look to them for inspiration.
oh boy. the space wolves. they've given the inquisition that fight both times the inquisition decided to fuck around and find out
Is there a canon or homebrew renegade chapter that allied with xenos?
I’ve never played warhammer but I’ve always thought it would be so cool to create my own night lord loyalist gene seed chapter and through the years of playing them they could turn into renegades and then maybe even turn to chaos
my marine concept is the chaos touched a group of marines from several chapters that have come together to directly combat the necron threat so they became necro hunters also using their weapon systems integrated into their armour but chaos found then and each one touched by chaos their leader touched my nurgle their banner guy touched by slaneesh and their main enforcer touched my knorn and finally their librarian touched by tzeech their basic troops are pretty much renegades serving slowly corrupting masters so they basically in body being slowly corrupted they show lil signs but in spirit they still serve to fight the necron threat my fist idea and i love it
"Villain Arc"? A Space Marine chapter that goes agaist the Imperium sounds more like a hero's journey that starts with the "are we the baddies" trope.
Yes because nothing is more heroic to go against humanity
Please do guardsmen next
Any guides on how to format the homebrew marines?
I wanna be evil but i dont wanna worship Satan so this helps.
There is a difference on being slightly evil and killing women and children in the name of khorne
Renegade chapters can probably be classified as less bad than most if not every single Loyalist chapter by virtue of forgoing the Imperium's superstructure.
by the law for the law of man none are above the law but the right and wrong are gray .
You missed one. It is rarer than redemption. Allegiance to the greater good as an end point is in the mix though
The psycho-indoctrination that SMs undergo may be impotent to a blight of the soul like Chaos, but even amongst the worshippers of the dark gods you'll often see the hatred of the alien still very much a thing.
It's arguably possible in a chapter that is more sympathetic like a salamanders successor, maybe the fall deciding not to turn their flamers on the tau after fighting chaos space marines together.
@@Empressofnight It is even more possible for a chapter such as a raven guard successor (or unforgiven) orreally any chapter that believes in thinking things through Could get in trouble with the imperium as part of fighting chaos and look for the best source of support against chaos. If you're an anti chaos chapter and the imperium has betrayed you.The greater good would look like.The best best chance to maintain resources to continue your fight against chaos. Shadowsun's renegade worlds even more so.
I mean, your idea also makes sense.But it wasn't what I had in mind.
@@orionspero560 I like the salamanders that's why but yeah I can see where you are coming from.