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@@Youthman I want to get my wife to be more comfortable in my man cave,but we are having issues finding furniture of the likes of plush not leather sectionals with recliners on the ends,thats the only way she would enjoy our home theater..any suggestions..thanks I’m from the Chicago area
Michael drop your mic buddy. What an awesome answer. I love the honesty. Everything you said was spot on. I started with a sound bar and an OLED. Now I’ve literally built my new home around my theater. The journey has been amazing. I understand both point of views as a new consumer to an enthusiasts. I’m trying to get my theater on a level where I can fly you out and use it for content. I’m going to be honest I just want to meet you and spend some time with you and get your opinions as I know you’ve heard some of the best home theater has to offer. I do have an awesome 7.2.6 atmos setup in a dedicated theater. I just have a little more work to do.. You’ve inspired the lot of us and you are appreciated brother.
every word you’ve written is truth…i started with a JVC DVD home theater package along with a JVC television…now a 7.2.6 dedicated theater room…the journey has indeed been amazing
@@JavonDGreen I second you on this comment, mate. Thanks Youthman for this truth. All is said. Cheers from my homemade home theater room in Nantes, France
I want to answer the Dolby Atmos question from a bit long but unique perspective. I finally built the current home theater of my dreams in 2020. Dolby atmos and all. Loved it. Then I got a brain tumor in 2023. I’m fine now but I became deaf in my left ear. I didn’t watch movies for about 8 months with my system. Just used tv speakers because it saddened me to know what I was missing. I overcame this and became enthusiastic about sound again. I cannot hear left and right surround but I can most certainly hear front to back atmos. I’m glad I made the investment before my hearing loss otherwise I never would have made the jump. Thanks to God for my health and right ear!
Wow! Such a powerful story. Thank you for being vulnerable and sharing your journey. I hate to hear that you had a tumor and lost part of your hearing, but I absolutely love your outlook and positivity on your life! Keep continuing to be a light and an encouragement for others.
Wow thanks for sharing. Sorry for this life story of yours. Me blind one eye since 1998. But have best friend that hard hearing one side. Your storie put some light . Was wandering if in anyway what he might be hearing. In your case you have interest before in home theater. Cheers
I started my home theater build in an 11’ by 10’ room 10 months ago, with a 3- to 4-year plan to finally sit down and enjoy it. Over the past 10 months, I’ve nearly finished all the in-wall wiring ($150), and just this past weekend, I installed five in-ceiling dimmable lights ($175). I also bought four used PSB B25 bookshelf speakers, a PSB center speaker, and two SVS PB 1000 subwoofers, all for $700. My plans for the next 6 months include curtains and paint. I’m having a blast!
I also started off with Sony speakers (I quickly upgraded my center channel) but overtime I slowly upgraded my equipment one by one. I'm also having a blast starting off with beginners stuff then slowly upgraded stuff here and there, so much joy.
It's value is what the owner makes of it. My wife thinks I'm insane for what i'm spending on our theater, but its 100% worth it to me, and my family. We do a lot of family movie nights. Can't wait to get under the star ceiling, and watch a movie in 7.4.4 in a full acoustically treated room. All DIY, lots of blood and sweat, but I can't wait to "finish" it, so i can start upgrading it!
Mike is absolutely correct. Theaters are not only for the rich. I'm an architect in NJ and I tell all my clients about my small theater that I built myself for pennies on the dollar by buying mostly quality used equipment and putting into the research needed to know that my $1,500 projector can hold a candle to most $4,000 projectors. The building, developing and upgrading process that comes thru the months or years is fun. The room brings together the family and makes us closer. Just like the camper van we used to have, the money was well spent.
my brother you hit it on the head…i find it funny how folk can say something is expensive when in fact, bad habits are more expensive than anything…we all get to pick and choose what we see value in and act accordingly…i too, don’t see the value in car payments when i can own something reliable, therefore, affording me the opportunity to invest in things i enjoy most…IMO, people want without sacrifice and justification…i’m literally laughed at by some family & friends because of what i’ve spent on my home theater, lol…but just like you, it’s been YEARS of investing a little here, a little there, buying used, buying new, etc…i will never allow someone to attempt to shame me because i’m not afraid to go get what i want and be happy & content with my decision…much respect
Upgraded multiple times from boom box with dvd set up to Bose surround . Then a lg OLED with a sound bar. To finally my current system with a separate amp and processor, klipsch premiere surround with atmos , and one subwoofer . Finally added a second klipsch subwoofer a year ago . 24 journey. Multiple tvs from tube, to led , to OLED. Same here - no car payments, no drinking , no sporting events . That money goes to my theater.
Right now I'm currently on an LG OLED with a sound bar atmos surround combo...wondering how I should go about from here as far as upgrading for a better experience
I agree with you 100%. People want to buy it all at one time vs loving the process. I’ve been gradually building and selling equipment for almost 20 years to finally get my own dedicated room just 2 years ago.
@@Youthman not that there isn't anything wrong with folks who have the money to buy it all, but I still look at it from the perspective... how do you know what you really like? How do you know what is actually good enough for your eyes and ears? An example is does a person immediately need separate amps? I see so many folks basically only have listened to one set of speakers (theirs) extensively for so many years and have zero opinion of other brands and models. Like you said, if one has a real passion for it, the process is quite enjoyable and in the end, actually not that expensive to get exactly what you really enjoy.
Awesome breaking it down in this video. This hobby can definitely be expensive! I had a 5.1 that I had for 20yrs. Only reason I upgraded was to get hdmi inputs for my reciever (I was buying multiple RCA to hdmi adapters). Then found a buddy at work was into this.... now I have a 7.3.4 in my 13x13 area. Everything has been changed out and on my 3rd reciever since that 20yr old one. Ppl think im crazy for spending the amount I've spend (under 30k Canadian over 7yrs including the room reno) but when they see and hear it, they say it's awesome. The gf and 6yr old son like the room, 6yr old knows how to work everything already. He discovered Tron Legacy the other week and it's his favorite at the moment. Ppl can save a bunch of money by renovating themselves (if they are handy) but the one thing that got me was not buying the right stuff from the start, buying stuff "just to get by" and upgrading a year later. Now I buy once and cry once... 😅, always spending a bit over budget for better stuff, trying to catch sales too! Thanks for the great content Youthman!!
Great video Michael. Your home theater tours inspired me to upgrade my home theater setup. Little by little. I’m 45 and Ive been at it for over 30 years now. Thanks for the great videos.
I agree, I have 7.0.2 and it is a big change from 5.1. My room is setup for 7.4.4 but I need to buy more speakers and a new receiver before that can happen. Will have that soon
I just need a break down on what 7.4.2 means...I'm assuming 3.1 and 5.1 means the amount of speakers to sub woofers...but that's just an uneducated guess.
Ambivalent about it because advanced processors do so well with DTS nobody can tell the difference. But I do agree about subwoofers which offer a huge upgrade
I paid 1k for a complete Klipsch system off Amazon. It’s a 5.1 setup with a 12 inch sub and it absolutely rocks. I feel like if I spent 3-5k on a system it would be in a entire different league.
I appreciate your approach. The Internet would ridicule that comment but you promoted understanding which is so much more productive because dialogue produces change (and Upgrades!) Most people I know do not understand our passion so anybody that does should be supported. While touring fancy $50k+ theaters is interesting I have enjoyed seeing DIY theaters by folks with a more modest budget. My setup was in a living room for decades but now I am in a 12x13 dedicated room which has allowed me to expand from 5.1 to a 7.2.2 setup. My Marantz 6014 (refurb) can run 11 channels so I can add 2 more ATMOS channels. I think that taking in all this information has enhanced the hobby. I now can use REW, level match my speakers, EQ my subs and add wall treatments. Most of my friends I steer towards a well reviewed sound bar. It’s where most people are at. Most of my gear was obtained at discount but my room (all in) is around $7500 and rivals most local theaters. The best thing about home theater is the journey. My theater will never be complete. Not that I am dissatisfied, on the contrary, I am very satisfied with my ongoing efforts, you should be as well.
Fantastic answer Michael. I started my HT journey 16 years ago in a 2 bedroom apartment with really low end Magnovax dvd player and low end Sony HTIB. Today I have a dedicated room with a 7.2.6 Atmos setup. We never go out to cinemas anymore. I can proudly say that my system, fares better than the AMC IMAX in my town 😉. Took a long time to get where I am now, but I loved every moment of it and still do. Your channel has been a great resource along the way!!
I only upgrade my theatre very rarely, BUT when I do, I go all-in. Why? Because having a good design, with improved acoustics, or treatments, or a riser, or whatever gives me a sense of pride in my work and my home. I love it when someone says "This is amazing" or "Wow, that's a cool replica" or "This is better than being at the theatre". I also just love watching movies and TV with my family or by myself. I started very simply with a 27" TV and an RCA 5.1 "home theatre in a box" with passive subwoofer sitting on a coffee table in the living room. 24 years and 2 houses later, I now have a dedicated 13x23 room with 120" screen, 1080p projector, Yamaha AVR, and 7.1 sound. Upgrading to 4k + 13.2.6 ATMOS is next. It's something I'm passionate about while using it, and when upgrading it, but I keep those 2 phases distinct. Why? So I don't constantly feel the need to upgrade. I completely ignore the industry and tech when it's not time to upgrade. Keeps me sane. It's also nice to just focus on using the system instead of constantly tweaking it.
Thinking of home theatre as a journey is a great outlook, although I can see how some people could get disheartened or think it's not for them, after seeing some of the amazing theatre tours you do. I just use them as inspiration, the "HIGH FIDELITY DIY Home Theater Tour in an APARTMENT! Axiom Audio" video is the most similar situation to me which I loved seeing. My Home Theatre is currently "just" a £550 Hisense 55U7K TV, a £550 SVS SB1000 Pro, 2x £150 Adam T5Vs, with another £400 for acoustic treatment, cables, speaker stand, and a refurbished audio interface. It's being processed/EQ'd by a desktop PC I've already had for almost a decade. And in a really small and awkward room to top it off. But still, my non-audiophile friend says it sounds just like the cinema, and as much as I nitpick and want to spend more, I am really happy with where it is just as a 2.1 system already, it's able to make me frisson all the time! Over the next few years I plan to add another sub, then move from the PC to a standalone processor, probably the miniDSP Flex HT, and add surround speakers. A family member actually has a whole underground semi-dedicated home theatre space (it's also a bedroom when guests visit), which he made only with very cheap used items. Even got 6 seats from a local commercial cinema that shut down!
It's a monstrous upgrade. I got to my level slowly but surely. I replaced things one at a time, saved up because this is my only hobby and I absolutely love it. Nothing is cheap.
One option is a 5.1 type of system to save money...Tests done showed that a well calibrated 5.1 system had almost the same amount of immersion than 22 bed layer speakers... Atmos I suspect will show similar poor results in adding immersion... So now people thinking about a Budget 7.2.6 Atmos system for example can opt for a mid to high end 5.1 system, or a much cheaper 5.1 budget system... 🤔
I've always said that a properly designed 5.1 will best an improperly designed 7.1. Same could be said of any channel count. Just throwing more speakers into a room isn't necessarily going to provide a better experience.
You really gave a very good answer you don't need to rush, i myself when started with 5.1 system bought the used AV receiver and used speakers. Few years down the road i got myself a new Atmos receiver (5.2.4), still used back the old speakers and added used speakers for my to ceiling speaker. Now I got more cash I will sell the speakers and planning to get a new set of speakers and subs. Been using my old 2nd hand speakers for 10 years. Even my tv I started small, slowly upgraded from 42, inch to 55 inch. and now I own 65inch OLED. All this system is in my living room.
I think the biggest thing is not being afraid to go slowly and not being afraid to buy second-hand equipment. I've got a pretty good Dolby Atmos setup and it only cost me $1300 . But everything was purchased second hand
Wow complete transparency. You have talked about this topic before in the past but this is probably your best video addressing the issue. I am on my fourth serious home theater in 35 years of watching movies and listening to music. My first home theater speakers were from RadioShack Tandy OEM hooked up to my VCR. At that time in late 80s early 90s I thought that was awesome to have sound coming from speakers and not my TV. Now I'm in my 50's and this is my most expensive home theater to date. But just like you said this was 1,000% worth it. I truly enjoy my home theater space!
To answer the question: yes. To expound a bit though, I think it's super important to build a room/system that can do 5.1 properly first and foremost since the majority of content, especially older films are not only in 5.1 but in MANY cases sound better in that format. Atmos is important to keep in mind for films mixed for it, and certain remixes but many films remixed for Atmos just aren't that well done and the original mixes are vastly superior. And I agree, Home Theater isn't "cheap" but I think there is a point where you hit diminishing returns. I like the start small and grow mentality. Excellent advice.
My recommendation is catch sales on equipment, buy refurbished and open box equipment as well. Always take time in acquiring equipment, everything doesn't have to be bought at once. Something like a home theater is an investment as well. Those are my thoughts. Great vid.
I've spent over 100K in the last 30 years in home theater and audio, plus I'm a long way of being a millionaire. I work one full time job, plus over time some time, plus side jobs, to be able to afford my obey, plus I'm not done . I sell some of my audio gear and buy new one in that process. It's never a done deal in home theater. I have with power amps, speakers, home theater processor ,cable room acoustics +++over 100K and there still some stuff I still need.......
Exactly. 100K in 30 years is just 3.3K a year. If you have a regular job making 15K - 30K a year you can easily spend 3K a year and build the home theater of your dreams. Although I would argue that tech is so good these days I would say 15K - 20K is the most you want to spend on a complete Atmos setup for most regular folks.
You're young Michael. Today (August 28, 2024) I turned 69, but I don't feel that OLD! I have been always interested in HT, just not the dedicated dark HT Rooms, but the Living Room/Media Room set ups instead.
I have a very modest setup. Benq projector, just got a screen but used a painted wall for 10 years. Energy RC speakers for super cheap when Fry's was closing up, Hsu sub from an estate sale. Sony AV3000 replaced a Denon 4520, cheap in ceiling speakers for atmos. My friends come over and don't ask why I don't have a Trinnov or they think they hear a 0.6db gap in the 225hz range from the left front atmosphere speaker. They come over to watch movies.
It can be done on a budget I have a 7.2.4 system and I would say it cost me in £2300 which is about $3000. The speakers are Eltax the receiver is a Marantz older model but still decodes Atmos and DTS x. 2 channel power amp and second hand UB900 Panasonic 4k player. Shop around it can be done my system sounds fine. Projector is an optoma 4k shift / 3d UHD51. I'm happy with it and it didn't break the bank
No shit…this is the best video , that I have seen, that you ever made. Your passion for home theater and music is the same as mine. I am about to retire in a couple of months and honestly, the bulk of my pension/nest egg will continue to go towards go towards sounds and vision. I have not, or never will regret money spent towards what I love. Keep up the great work and stay true to who you are. Cheers!
I'm 17 and absolutely love movies. When I finally get my own place, I really want to have a home theater. Right now, I have a subscription to a movie theater in Denmark, which lets me watch all the new releases as much as I want. The thing is, I’ve watched pretty much everything multiple times, even the less-than-great films, so I'm worried that if I get a home theater, it might end up being "wasted" since I’d still be going to the theater to see the latest movies. On the other hand, I still want a home theater just to have it. It would be amazing to have on hand, for when that movie-watching itch hits, and it would be incredible if I ever wanted to do actual movie reviews, (not just the horrible ones I do on instagram and for family and friends). Watching movies at home in a comfortable setting where I can take notes and really focus would be ideal. I feel like the only way to truly get the best use out of a home theater would be to make connections in the movie industry, use my *incredible* persuasion skills, and somehow get access to watch movies at home as soon as they’re released in theaters. Just to be specific, I've watched around 1,000 different movies and TV series this year alone. I've loved film since I was 6, so I've watched a TON of movies!
Hey minimalistfilms, sorry brother, I disagree with you. My HT, I can pause anytime I want, popcorn machine at hand, sound ( chair ) shakers. Your own little man cave, but for the family to enjoy. I can keep on going. You have to experience a MANS, MANCAVE, sort of speak
@@Reelfilmstudies Having a good home theater is a different experience from going to the theater. If it's good enough, you may hear things you never heard before in the theater. It's also an entirely different ballgame to sit in a 15' or 25' all square-ish room and to get it to sound like you're outside in the middle of an explosion. 😉 Just...in the future or now...reserve a little bit of time for other things in life than movies. 😀 I enjoy my theater even more when I use it occasionally, as I'm often reminded how revolutionary it is to hear things in quality surround sound.
I live in a small apartment, and I use a set of DIY speakers and a single Klipsch 10" subwoofer in a 5.1 surround system in my living room. It's not a world beater, but it serves me, plus I got to build three of them, the centre and two surround channels. The fronts I inherited from my dad after he upgraded to a set of bigger speakers he actually prototyped years ago. They were part of his original 5.1 system from back in the 90s, and they still work great.
I built my Home Theater in 2021. An 82" 4k Samsung TV and a Nakamichi 9.2.4 Soundbar. Under $3,000.00 for the two. This allowed me to get into a dedicated Movie room for a low cost. I now have my house on the Market and my realtor said I need to sell everything in the room with the house as this has added value to the price. 5 showings in 5 days and everyone loves the Theater. It became a wise investment. My next house will have a dedicated Theater with a 120" Projection screen and a UST projector, along with a full 7.2.4 Denon/Klipsch set up. Expected cost of around $12K to $15K. To me, well worth it.
There are levels to everything. Any hobby you look at, you will find budget items, mid tier items and the crème de la crème items. For cars, you can go from a Smart car to a Bugatti, for home theater you can go from a budget receiver that’s $400 to Trinnov which is $40k depending on how you spec it. Everyone’s financial situation is different but if you want something really bad enough, you will find a way to obtain it. Sometimes that can mean changing careers or working overtime or getting a second job. For some, the movie experience is enough for them and they will just pay their $20 or whatever it is to go to the commercial theater and have the experience that way. There really isn’t a magic pill other than hard work and dedication to achieve anything you want in this life.
Hey youthman.....ive been following u for years...u have been very inspirational.....like u i started small...but now have a dedicated room with a 9.3.4 with a 4k projector ....amps etc......yes the journey is the best bit...now its been in use for 5 years or so ive taken on new projects....but there is nothing better to sit with my wife and watch a new film with snax....of course another good thing about home cinema is u can pause it and go the loo!!
You saidit best. It’s all about priorities. I bought my first setup in college when I worked at BestBuy while I lived in an apartment and it was awesome. I ran the same setup for almost 18 years other than TV upgrades from a small crt to a big rear projection, then to a dlp in our home living room. Then I started changing gear. A great flatscreen. Then a new denon receiver. Then changed the Sony towers and center to Svs. A Sony sub became dual Svs subs. I still have Sony rears b/c they work. Added Svs height fronts later. It’s a wip but we don’t have a dedicated room but in a family room it’s awesome. Sure it’s been a lot of money and it’s always evolving but that’s part of it. Enjoy what you can. This isn’t a bank account measuring contest.
Exactly.....HT is not cheap budget means something different to everyone. My initial HT was a sound bar n sub. Then moved to Bose, Sonos and settled with 9.2. I don't have a dedicated room either so it also has to please the better half. I want a dedicated room but that's not a reality. But then again I'm not mad at other people's budget. That said still trying to convince her how we need a 98 inch tv. 77 is just to small😊😊
I built my first real surround sound system for around $850, and about $500 for the TV for a "theater". Was it as good as even the Elac system mentioned in the prior video? No - but it was FAR beyond the AmazonBasics soundbar I was stepping up from (funny enough, I came to find out that the TV I had that soundbar on had better speakers than the soundbar itself, but that's a story for another time). We've been upgrading ever since I made that first "theater". We've done it slowly over the last 4 years, and we probably won't be at the "budget/mid" tier for another 5 years. It IS expensive to get to that first "budget" tier. But getting your foot in the door isn't nearly as expensive as $3000, or even $1000. Had I known about second-hand, and been more comfortable with it, I probably could have built a better first system for less than what I paid. The journey has still been a lot of fun - that entry system (that we still use portions of) was my first introduction to Atmos. We're saving right now to finish upgrading our bed layer and our subwoofers to what we would like - because the step up is significant. But we absolutely love what we have now, even as we plan for the next step.
I think Atmos is cool, but nothing I would spend a lot of extra money on. I got used Denon X4300H paired with a $75 external amp for the front heights, which are custom mounted Dayton B652's. I paid $900 for the AVR, amp, and all 4 height speakers. The effect is cool in a few specific movie scenes, but not a game changer in my opinion. It sounds childish, but having great bass is the true game changer. My whole system was about $6,500 and I am flat down to 14Hz at over 120dB with Atmos and a JVC PJ. Not cheap, but nobody would blink at a $25,000 car that is someone's hobby. As I write this, there are 8 teenagers in my theater having the time of their lives. That makes it worth it to me.
You are spot on with this video. I remember being able to afford a Harman kardon AVR 235, but couldn't afford speakers. I was running some boom box speakers for surrounds and some old speakers from the 70s as fronts. It was far from perfect, but over time I started to add to my setup. I know I'll never have really expensive speakers, but I'm okay with what I can afford.
People rush to the finish line, the journey is where the fun is. I went from TV speakers to 2.0, to 3.0, then turned my fronts into surrounds and became a 5.0, then a 5.1, and now currently a 5.1.2. Just added tactile inducers. It's been fun learning about all the pieces of the puzzle.
Well said. I had a 5.1 set up for almost 20 years which by most peoples standards was excellent. However, I always had my sights set on a bigger set up. Finally a couple of years ago I had the opportunity to install a 7.1.4 system as part of some renovation work we were doing. We don’t have a massive room (it’s our living room) or particularly high ceilings so there were always going to have to be compromises. For me the sound treatment and additional electrics was 50% of the cost (£11,000 alone) but I figured, do it right and the AV equipment can always be upgraded as needed. I went for RSL base layer and in ceiling speakers, a Deon 6700h amp and an LG 77” G2. I’ve since added a Panasonic UB820 4k blue ray player, which I have to say was totally worth it. Now I am blown away by the base layer sound , but the Atmos is a bit more subtle, not underwhelming just less obvious than I expected. Part of this I believe is down to having to have in ceiling speakers which though angled still needed to be brought in closer to the seating position. However I’m hoping that in a few months I’ll be able to add an Emotiva BasX A3 to power the front channels. Fingers crossed this will allow the amp to put more power to the remaining speakers which once adjusted will allow the Atmos speakers to get the power they need.
I live in an apartment. For my home system i started off with a receiver and 2 speakers. A lot of places give you the option to make payments. All in all i spent close to 3k for my sytem over the months by doing payments, i didnt get all my speakers at once either, when i could, i would buy one at a time and pay it off before getting another. It took time but now 3 years later my system is complete 😊
100 percent agree. I don't have alot of money so the process of looking and upgrading when I can is as fun to me as building an awesome system. I currently have a marantz av but am waiting to be able to afford an amp to use it.
Your road and journey to your home theater until now is truly massive and unforgettable. Me too because it took me almost 30 years to build my mini home theater from 5.1 set up, then to medium 7.1 set up until now 7.2.4 Dolby Atmos home theater and I am very satisfy of what I have owned now. Even though I have spent lots of $$$ changing from entry lever speakers, amplifiers and cables to high end equipment till now, I would say is really worth it because I am just like you a home theater fever lover.
Most of us understand that when the word "affordable" is used, it's a relative term. For those in the Home Theatre arena, you can relate these costs to a more common cost for a particular product. No different if you're in the market for a car or a house. Relative to the subject spoken. Therefore, Michael is accurate in his description due to the subject and content that was relative to his post. I think wanting to include or broaden these costs to those outside of this is mute. You just can't cater to every single individual on Earth when reviewing every product. I honestly found it honest and informative. There are so many channels that can do HT on a budget with computer speakers or soundbars, etc.. Stay on your path, Youthman, you're doing great! 👍
What is going to be the next big thing for home theater ? - floor speakers pointing up ? - butt kicker revolution ? - 4D experience / DBOX seats - 4k 3D
I agree with your comments on enjoying the journey. I've got a decent 5.1 setup at home. I don't plan to expand on it until I get into my next home but I have used this setup for the past decade after obtaining speakers from my dad after he finally upgraded his home theater. Expanding to 7.4.2 is in the plans eventually but won't be single purchase but will likely take a couple years and several steps to get there. Another point is, I think people don't see or understand the process and journey. They just see some guy on UA-cam or social media with an incredible set up and think they will never obtain that because they don't have enough funds today. Micheal, I'm willing to be some of the love for your theater is from the process of building it and all of the iterations you have experienced before.
I am very most happy with every piece of audio I've had an have today. Currently, I'm running a Denon AVR-4700H with Jamo s8 5speaker surround. And one 10" sub an a 8"sub.
I recently built my own home theater and wanted a 7.1.4 Atmos setup while keeping it as affordable as possible. My main investment was the Sony AZ 5000 ES AVR to make sure I could power 11 channels without additional amplifiers. That set me back 2K. I went with Klipsch reference speaker for the ear level speakers and subs. Two 10-inch subs, six bookshelf speakers, and a center speaker set me back an additional 750 bucks. I had four Panasonic satellite speakers from an old 5.1 home theater in a box which I used for my height speakers. All in I was able to build an absolutely fantastic sounding Dolby Atmos setup for under 3K. This hobby can be very expensive but there are definitely ways to build on a budget.
in a real home theatre with in ceiling speakers, id have to say 100% yes its worth it, but 4 is a must. Just didnt feel like 2 did very much. My upstairs living room is not a true home theatre and in my 5.2.2 set up there i barely notice the front wall atmos, they are placed and calibrated correctly but get lost in the front mix too often. i see much more utility in rear speakers if you receiver makes you chose between the two. thats my experience anyway
Great points. I myself spent money on a 990D and couldn't be happier. The OP needs to IGNORE the more bullish feedback from some of the more traditional HT enthusiasts who like to scorn over lack of traditional separates and just enjoy what you have. I couldn't be happier with mine (Went from a 3.1 Klipsch system and to me, the 990D is better in many respects, but lacks in a few others). Ultimately hobbies like this have to be enjoyed, and not feel like constant work or always having to be defended. Do what you like and get to a level you are happy with. If thats spending thousands over many years on separate system and projector etc, or on a single decent soundbar with a 85" QLED, just remember to enjoy it You are not in competition with anyone but yourself. .
I've never bought more than 2 av products at once. I have pretty much the same av path as Michael I've been shopping for ht for 30 years. Upgrade and add as u go. Constantly upgrading, diy, online discussions is the hobby for me. So to me the hobby in itself is worth it.
Going out for a night's entertainment can be quite expensive. However, choosing to stay in and watching a movie (or listening to music) in the long run can actually save money.
Agree with your viewpoint on this subject. I have a mixture of some older equipment in my home theater and the wife and I absolutely love it. In my opinion it is a better experience than going to the theater. For me it’s like everything else in society, you get something ( such as a home theater) that you always wanted and then see something newer. All of a sudden what you have is not good enough anymore. I watch the home theater videos and mostly enjoy the diy projects from ordinary people with smaller budgets because they remind me of my own experience. As long as you and your family are happy with your home theater, it doesn’t matter what the big spenders (or large debt accumulators) have. I’m an older person and would have never thought that the theater experience in the home was ever possible for an average person such as myself. Get a nice picture and good sound within your budget and you’re good to go.
I would rather suggest to start simple but buy quality .. dont buy cheap midfi speakers and amps just so you can jump to 7.1 or 11.1.. I suggest making a 5.1 with an av receiver.. later add more speakers that are the same type and another sub and move up to 7.1..Yes I agree with this video..He said the same thing.Dont rush into complication..depending on the needs and the room..you might be satisfied and spend way less..never sign an agreement and sink big money all at once into a system..please..
Gone from getting into films as a kid and watching on a 14" 4:3 mono TV and VHS through DVD and Blu-ray and mini 2 channel systems, home theatre in a box right through to a decent Denon and Atmos - absolutely about the journey - next stop 4K UHD!
See most people don't realize that money going into proper dedicated home-theater is to be considered as long term investment. Because unlike the cheapo soundbars the rooms the speaker setups the entire package is expected to last them over a long time and provide a solid returns for the investment in form of entertainment. So when you see even a "bit" decently done audio setup for around $10-15k would get you the core experience that get you moved and immersed every time you turn it on. And beyond a certain budget point I really don't see people even visiting local cinema theaters anymore. So if one has to think about economy just consider the amount being saved on tickets and food for entire family if one has to visit the theaters. That adds up to being a lot. So yeah overall home-theater setups in no way can be considered as waste of money.
Very very true , i started with my most expensive unit was a pioneer receiver usually $1000 - $2000 but everything else was cheep , back when even surround was not around i ran speaker B as an effect as a surround ..lol and all my speakers were small no sub ... eventually you upgrade this and upgrade that ..and you get better stuff, it is a journey ... now the trap is not to get sucked in on the latest and greatest, my main speakers & surrounds are 20+years and still sounding awesome ... can i upgrade them , maybe but i stuck with them... and going from a 19" tube tv to a bigger tube tv then to a 52" lcd then to a 65" led and now to a 120" screen with projector , and affordable single recline seats.. finally i am to what i think is end game for me ...
I just wanted to say kudos to your channel, I've enjoyed it over the years since I discovered your channel. I've been a home theater enthusiast since my teenage years in the seventies, going back to Nova beam , advent TV. And four channel stereo, and quadrophonic sound. The early beginnings of home theater. I didn't have money for those things back then. But I always envisioned someday having my own home theater. Eventually, that happened. I bought a 3M projector package that came with an elite 105 inch screen. Later on, I progressed to several projectors, epson 2045 1080P. An optoma UHD 50X. optoma UHD 28. For media using a 4K roku media device And a 4K amazon fire stick . My home theater may not be as elaborate as some of the others I see showcased, but the journey has been enjoyable your Chanel is definitely one of my favorites I enjoy your enthusiasm for the hobby I haven't gone into detail about all the equipment that I have acquired overtime but I definitely found some great deals. I would encourage others not to be afraid to look at either open box or used electronics. There's always a good deal to be found. Thanks again for the channel.
Great video! I've been using a Samsung Q990 soundbar for about 2 years. Now in the process of building a new home. I've a bunch of boxes waiting to be opened. KEF Q750 LR KEF Q650C KEF Q50a - 1 pair side surrounds and 1 pair front heights REL HT1510 Predator subwoofer Marantz SR7015 AVR Trying to decide on TV, will be a 75 or 85. Yep, it's not cheap but I enjoy the process.
I absolutely agree. If you’re passionate about it you will have a yard sale trade stuff and even save money over time to get where you want to be. It is a journey and a fun one
Hat’s off to you sir, love your response and dedication! I just found out about your channel a month ago and you’ve really taught me. Personal I can relate fully, I’m still young but I’m slowly trying to grow my audio space. When I first got a flat screen tv as a early teen I was stoked, didn’t like the speakers on it so eventually I went to a Goodwill and found a pair of Sony- tweeter, mid, & sub speaker combo. I went home to cut out the tv speakers and hand wired the Sony pairs, and man did my world turn around I couldn’t go back. A few year’s later I ended up getting a bigger flat screen tv and then upgraded to a Samsung sound-bar/subwoofer system with rear surrounds. That made home theater even better for me, I would keep the same setup for another 4 years. Now that I’m married, a few months ago we were short on money and I was trying finding a way to sell items to stay afloat. I thought of selling my Samsung theater system on Facebook Market and hopefully find something from Goodwill to replace it.
At this point I just couldn’t go back to listening to content through tv speakers, good quality sound was something that I cannot sacrifice for. While at Goodwill all that I was looking for was something that can be somewhat match to the Samsung. I found a Klipsch sound-bar/sub combo and wasn’t to sure of the brand. I did some research and heard some good reviews about, so I gambled my decision to buy it. The Klipsch was missing some thing like a remote control & app connection so I was really nervous if this was going to work at all. Sure enough when I got it connected and played the movie Cars, I was blown away! The bass and clarity was out of this world and outperformed my Samsung system for miles. Not only was I able to get a good deal from Goodwill but I was able to sell my Samsung theater system for a good price and we were able to survive for another day. All I’m trying to say is I’m glad to be able to enjoy this obsession and one day I’ll be able to create a full theater system, my wife enjoys good sound quality and like you I’m also about to enjoy wonderful times with my wife. Thank you for this vid and I truly think it’s worth it!
Absolutely you can start it cheap - even in Europe where there is low market for HT stuff, and stuff is more pricey than in US. You probably have a living room with sofa right? No dedicated room needed at all! First started with used Panasonic plasma TV (120$) and my father's old HT (samsung with super tiny sattelites and a little sub). When we bought a house the previous owners left some cheap floorstanders there so used those for a while. Then some used equip - old Yamaha AV receiver together with 5.1 speakers (really small) with cables - 130 $. Cheap aliexpres chinese 720p projector - 60$. Aliexpres HDMI matrix switch and digital sound extractor - 50$. Rolling screen - 80$ (or use white wall for zero $). Some cables from ali + local hardware store were also cheap. Then added cheap 50$ bass shakers to the sofa with cheap ali amp for like 20$ - works like a charm (even toned down a little as too much shaking distracts). Then bought old Yami NS-300 floorstanders with much bigger sub - 500$ (but had a guy repair destroyed tweeters) - I was wowed with the sound - really great speakers. Bought them based on some old review where the pair where testing them and compared them to several like 5000$ speakers (at that time mind you) and they stood their ground easily. Sub can go to 20Hz too if setup correctly. Then matching surrounds from German ebay (NS-100) and center from Polish electronics seller (NS-C300) together for like 400$. Finally some video - Epson 4k+3D projector (new) for 1250$. Denon atmos receiver 550$. Forgot that I added that Samsung sub as a nearfield behind the sofa as it was quite thin so ideal - another wow. Even this little baby adds quite a lot to the experience. Now built 15 inch shallow near field (125$ driver, old furniture for enclosure + my work = zero $. cheap ali amp + el. source = 60$). Ready to install it today with atmos speakers (will use those small Yami bookshelf speakers that I have laying around = anything bigger will "kill" my wife lol). It's a journey as Youthman says, don't dwell on the final destination, it takes years. Took me like 5 to get wherever I am and this is not my primary money eating hobby, motorcycles and traveling is. So if it was I would be much further for sure. Still the experience is much better than even our big city's IMAX theater (no low bass, the projector is only full HD so when I went there I thought at first it's not focused).
It's definitely not a cheap hobby but it can be rewarding. When I built my first livingroom "theater" parts express in Springboro Ohio used to have tent sales every year. I was able buy everything I needed for a 5.1 then to a 5.1.4 for less than $1000. My dayton audio in ceiling and in wall speakers was $5 a piece. My towers where pure acoustics and paid $75 for the pair. Now I've sold all of that and invested into my 7.4.6 "dedicated" theater and again I went "budget" with emotiva speakers and amplifiers which their sno20 discount code made it possible and open box from monoprice for my near field subs. Only thing I splurged on was my GSG enclosure for my Ultimax sub. Also accessories 4 less had a fantastic deal on my marantz processor. Like you say all the time it's the journey, which my wife has grown to appreciate and enjoy this hobby. She/we use the theater we built every day and she tells me all the time "worth every penny".
Hey Michael. Been watching your channel now for a few years. I bought my first decent system almost 2 years ago second hand off of facebook market place. Onkyo tx-nr686 and klipsch reference series speakers. I have in the last year upgraded all my bed layer speakers to the rp600iis and an rp504c. That wasn't enough because in a matter of two months I got the klipsch ki-396-sma-ii professional series for my left and right. Also just ordered 2 24 inch stereo integrity subs, a speaker power sp12000 and Evolution sealed boxes from GSG. Because I was missing 12,000 watts of room shaking destruction. Next year I want to start purchasing JTR because from everything I've seen it seems like that's about the end game for most people.
Never miss your videos Michael… because you not only talk about technical part but the practical way to make your dreams of a reasonable high end home theater in middle or higher middle class family. In this particular video, you have listened the practical way to get one’s home theater dream come through, without sacrificing family commitments &resposiblities…Again there you are Michael.. Always appreciate you..!
I got 7 Jamo speakers 4 Jamo c91 ii, 2 Jamo c93ii, and 1 Jamo c9 Center, with 2 Jamo c912 subs, a used Marantz SR5015, and all the speaker wire, mounts, and accessories for about $2500. Got a used 85 inch Sony x900F off Facebook for $1250. Whole system for less than the price of the Nakamichi Dragon. I've spent maybe another $500 for sound panels and an acoustic wood slat wall behind the TV. Its definitely not cheap, but it's also incredibly well budgeted. You could go cheaper and still get a decent setup. The quality of sound and the "dome" of my budget setup is incredibly detailed. Completely poops on the Nakamichi Shockwafe I had and returned. The Shockwafe had power, but no fidelity.
Hi Michael. Brilliant answer. Some people don’t understand, or miss the point what home theatre is all about. Now, I’m so glad you watched Guardians Of The Galaxy, it’s a fantastic trilogy, great music, it’s funny and great actors. I know how you feel when you watched it for the first time, wow 😊. Take care. Kind regards Gary 😊
I totally enjoy your channel. I have a nice theater system in my living room. Klipsch speakers 7.2, Yamaha AVR. No Atmos yet. However my Yamaha does support it. But going to swap out for a Denon. I really enjoy the interviews. I have gained so much education on audio sound. Plus, you are right, it is about the journey and the experience you share with yourself and others with your passion. It is also an investment.
You absolutely right about building a system up slowly only problem is that people to want everything right now I've personally been building and changing my system since the days of laser disk lol and I love that process of sometimes seeing massive improvements in one form or another
Yep, a huge benefit of building my theaters has been being that place where my son brings his friends. Same reason I always hosted the tailgate party when we went to football games every Saturday. Bring your friends over. We have food. We have snacks. I would print up movie tickets for him to give his friends. Great stuff.
Hi Michael! Do you think there’s added benefit to using 6-8 atmos speakers vs the traditional 4? In your experience in your own HT and touring others with plenty bed layer channels, is it that much more immersive from the main listening position than say a 7.2.4 system?
Dolby Atmos worth it in 2024 YES. I have A small room 13X10 feet /3X4 metre which I have updated over the years. The current system is 5.1.4 and is the best room in the house.
I'd place ceiling Atmos only slightly above center rear channel as to adding anything to the home theater experience. I don't think I've ever noticed anything coming out of the center rear channel, at least the Atmos overheads, one or two times, in the last couple of years, I've actively noticed unique audio from the overhead channels. Unfortunately 99.9% of the time I have to get up on a chair and put my head next to the speaker to tell if it's doing anything at all. It may be contributing to an overall Fuller sound in the room but I can't say that it's worth spending the extra time and money.
5-Disc Stereo/Tube ---> 6.1/Rear Projection ---> 6.1/LCD ---> 5.2.2/C3. I know there are far better systems out there (my Sony A/V should probably be replaced with a Marantz) but it still melts my face off when I turn it up and my friends are always surprised by it. I just put on Two Towers and skip to Helms Deep. That's enough to make their jaws drop.
For those of us not made out of money, saving money, buying 2nd hand, and building your system overtime is the only way to do it. I got hand me down 1980s technics speakers from a friend free. That got me to a 5.1 setup out the gate. I had a cheap 100W Polk sub to start. 5 years ago I bought two SVS PB-12 subs on Black Friday. 4 years ago I got 4 ceiling JBL speakers on closeout deal to prepare for Atmos (my receiver didn’t support atmos) 2 years ago I bought a used SVS Ultra Center on Facebook for half price of new. Then finally this year I got an Onkyo RZ50 receiver open box for half the MSRP… next up will be replacing the main L and R speakers… with kids and other things in life this is how I’ve made it work
This is how I look at it, I have been passionate about home theater since I was 15 years old. Everyone has to understand that building a home theater system is a gradual process, and it takes time to acquire all the necessary components. As an enthusiast, I have gradually purchased each piece of equipment over time. If you are passionate about something, you are more likely to invest in it. I do believe that it is important to be realistic about the financial commitment required to build a home theater system. But again, if that's something that you enjoy doing in life you're going to invest. Great video as always!
Upgraded my speakers first awhile back and learned to calibrate correctly. Rocking a 5.1 and mastered sound with that. But at the most will Upgrade with two more speakers for 7.1. Atmos is interesting but would probably be satisfied with the 7.1 Upgrade.
I have 5.1.2 atmos with epson projector and 150-inches manual screen in my living room. Most items are used, total cost 2700 US dollars over ca 3 last years.
Having learned my skills as an A/V repair tech since the early 70's when home cinema was a few years away, even in the H-Fi boom era, you bought the best that you could afford and upgrade as funds allowed. Today buyers want instant results, hence why soundbars are so popular, but the better ones as still expensive. It has taken me decades to have a true home cinema room with Dolby Atmos height speakers. and most of my gear was bought as used and often from repairs that customers refused our quotes and never collected them. My point is be patient, unless you have very deep pockets take it one step at a time. All good things come to they who wait.
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@@Youthman I want to get my wife to be more comfortable in my man cave,but we are having issues finding furniture of the likes of plush not leather sectionals with recliners on the ends,thats the only way she would enjoy our home theater..any suggestions..thanks I’m from the Chicago area
Michael drop your mic buddy. What an awesome answer. I love the honesty. Everything you said was spot on. I started with a sound bar and an OLED. Now I’ve literally built my new home around my theater. The journey has been amazing. I understand both point of views as a new consumer to an enthusiasts. I’m trying to get my theater on a level where I can fly you out and use it for content. I’m going to be honest I just want to meet you and spend some time with you and get your opinions as I know you’ve heard some of the best home theater has to offer. I do have an awesome 7.2.6 atmos setup in a dedicated theater. I just have a little more work to do.. You’ve inspired the lot of us and you are appreciated brother.
I appreciate the kind words Javon. Feel free to reach out to me when you are finished at www.hometheatertours.com.
every word you’ve written is truth…i started with a JVC DVD home theater package along with a JVC television…now a 7.2.6 dedicated theater room…the journey has indeed been amazing
@@JavonDGreen I second you on this comment, mate.
Thanks Youthman for this truth. All is said.
Cheers from my homemade home theater room in Nantes, France
The people complaining about the cost probably have $8000 in matching kitchen appliances yet never cook.
@@gostillerz 🤣 savage
I want to answer the Dolby Atmos question from a bit long but unique perspective. I finally built the current home theater of my dreams in 2020. Dolby atmos and all. Loved it. Then I got a brain tumor in 2023. I’m fine now but I became deaf in my left ear. I didn’t watch movies for about 8 months with my system. Just used tv speakers because it saddened me to know what I was missing. I overcame this and became enthusiastic about sound again. I cannot hear left and right surround but I can most certainly hear front to back atmos. I’m glad I made the investment before my hearing loss otherwise I never would have made the jump. Thanks to God for my health and right ear!
Wow! Such a powerful story. Thank you for being vulnerable and sharing your journey. I hate to hear that you had a tumor and lost part of your hearing, but I absolutely love your outlook and positivity on your life! Keep continuing to be a light and an encouragement for others.
@@Youthman thank you for the kind words and your content!
You are more than welcome
Wow thanks for sharing. Sorry for this life story of yours. Me blind one eye since 1998. But have best friend that hard hearing one side. Your storie put some light . Was wandering if in anyway what he might be hearing. In your case you have interest before in home theater.
Cheers
I laughed at the comment talking about the marketing and then we got an arendall sound sponsor video 😅, that was great 😁
Daddy‘s gotta pay the bills because Google Adsense surely isn’t 🤣🤣🤣
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I started my home theater build in an 11’ by 10’ room 10 months ago, with a 3- to 4-year plan to finally sit down and enjoy it. Over the past 10 months, I’ve nearly finished all the in-wall wiring ($150), and just this past weekend, I installed five in-ceiling dimmable lights ($175). I also bought four used PSB B25 bookshelf speakers, a PSB center speaker, and two SVS PB 1000 subwoofers, all for $700. My plans for the next 6 months include curtains and paint. I’m having a blast!
I also started off with Sony speakers (I quickly upgraded my center channel) but overtime I slowly upgraded my equipment one by one. I'm also having a blast starting off with beginners stuff then slowly upgraded stuff here and there, so much joy.
Ditto. Now I’m ditching my PB2000 pro for 2 18” Marty cubes and RBH 2x1000 DSP amp. Two 18’s for 1/2 the price of 1 Perlisten 18.
It's value is what the owner makes of it. My wife thinks I'm insane for what i'm spending on our theater, but its 100% worth it to me, and my family. We do a lot of family movie nights. Can't wait to get under the star ceiling, and watch a movie in 7.4.4 in a full acoustically treated room. All DIY, lots of blood and sweat, but I can't wait to "finish" it, so i can start upgrading it!
Mike is absolutely correct. Theaters are not only for the rich. I'm an architect in NJ and I tell all my clients about my small theater that I built myself for pennies on the dollar by buying mostly quality used equipment and putting into the research needed to know that my $1,500 projector can hold a candle to most $4,000 projectors. The building, developing and upgrading process that comes thru the months or years is fun. The room brings together the family and makes us closer. Just like the camper van we used to have, the money was well spent.
What an awesome mindset!
my brother you hit it on the head…i find it funny how folk can say something is expensive when in fact, bad habits are more expensive than anything…we all get to pick and choose what we see value in and act accordingly…i too, don’t see the value in car payments when i can own something reliable, therefore, affording me the opportunity to invest in things i enjoy most…IMO, people want without sacrifice and justification…i’m literally laughed at by some family & friends because of what i’ve spent on my home theater, lol…but just like you, it’s been YEARS of investing a little here, a little there, buying used, buying new, etc…i will never allow someone to attempt to shame me because i’m not afraid to go get what i want and be happy & content with my decision…much respect
I love it. Thanks for sharing your perspective.
Upgraded multiple times from boom box with dvd set up to Bose surround . Then a lg OLED with a sound bar. To finally my current system with a separate amp and processor, klipsch premiere surround with atmos , and one subwoofer . Finally added a second klipsch subwoofer a year ago . 24 journey. Multiple tvs from tube, to led , to OLED.
Same here - no car payments, no drinking , no sporting events . That money goes to my theater.
@@ec4146 This is lovely, similar thing here 🙌🏻
Right now I'm currently on an LG OLED with a sound bar atmos surround combo...wondering how I should go about from here as far as upgrading for a better experience
@ramonvasquez3503 an AVR, a pair of speakers and a subwoofer would be a significant upgrade
I agree with you 100%. People want to buy it all at one time vs loving the process. I’ve been gradually building and selling equipment for almost 20 years to finally get my own dedicated room just 2 years ago.
Awesome and congrats! It’s satisfying to see the work in progress.
@@Youthman not that there isn't anything wrong with folks who have the money to buy it all, but I still look at it from the perspective... how do you know what you really like? How do you know what is actually good enough for your eyes and ears? An example is does a person immediately need separate amps? I see so many folks basically only have listened to one set of speakers (theirs) extensively for so many years and have zero opinion of other brands and models. Like you said, if one has a real passion for it, the process is quite enjoyable and in the end, actually not that expensive to get exactly what you really enjoy.
You address things in a very educational way. You're like a good teacher.
Thank you for the kind words.
Awesome breaking it down in this video. This hobby can definitely be expensive! I had a 5.1 that I had for 20yrs. Only reason I upgraded was to get hdmi inputs for my reciever (I was buying multiple RCA to hdmi adapters). Then found a buddy at work was into this.... now I have a 7.3.4 in my 13x13 area. Everything has been changed out and on my 3rd reciever since that 20yr old one. Ppl think im crazy for spending the amount I've spend (under 30k Canadian over 7yrs including the room reno) but when they see and hear it, they say it's awesome. The gf and 6yr old son like the room, 6yr old knows how to work everything already. He discovered Tron Legacy the other week and it's his favorite at the moment.
Ppl can save a bunch of money by renovating themselves (if they are handy) but the one thing that got me was not buying the right stuff from the start, buying stuff "just to get by" and upgrading a year later. Now I buy once and cry once... 😅, always spending a bit over budget for better stuff, trying to catch sales too!
Thanks for the great content Youthman!!
Great video Michael. Your home theater tours inspired me to upgrade my home theater setup. Little by little. I’m 45 and Ive been at it for over 30 years now. Thanks for the great videos.
Thank you for the kind words.
I was hard core for yrs. on 5.1, went to 7.1 and was quite surprised. Now moved on to 7.4.2 and can't look back now... 25yrs in the making !
I agree, I have 7.0.2 and it is a big change from 5.1. My room is setup for 7.4.4 but I need to buy more speakers and a new receiver before that can happen. Will have that soon
I just need a break down on what 7.4.2 means...I'm assuming 3.1 and 5.1 means the amount of speakers to sub woofers...but that's just an uneducated guess.
@@ramonvasquez3503 7 Standard Channels, 2 Subwoofers, and 4 Height Channels
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Ambivalent about it because advanced processors do so well with DTS nobody can tell the difference. But I do agree about subwoofers which offer a huge upgrade
It’s not so much about a specific format, as it is about is it worth even building a home theater today?
I paid 1k for a complete Klipsch system off Amazon. It’s a 5.1 setup with a 12 inch sub and it absolutely rocks. I feel like if I spent 3-5k on a system it would be in a entire different league.
Heck yeah! Congrats!
I appreciate your approach. The Internet would ridicule that comment but you promoted understanding which is so much more productive because dialogue produces change (and Upgrades!) Most people I know do not understand our passion so anybody that does should be supported.
While touring fancy $50k+ theaters is interesting I have enjoyed seeing DIY theaters by folks with a more modest budget. My setup was in a living room for decades but now I am in a 12x13 dedicated room which has allowed me to expand from 5.1 to a 7.2.2 setup. My Marantz 6014 (refurb) can run 11 channels so I can add 2 more ATMOS channels.
I think that taking in all this information has enhanced the hobby. I now can use REW, level match my speakers, EQ my subs and add wall treatments.
Most of my friends I steer towards a well reviewed sound bar. It’s where most people are at. Most of my gear was obtained at discount but my room (all in) is around $7500 and rivals most local theaters.
The best thing about home theater is the journey. My theater will never be complete. Not that I am dissatisfied, on the contrary, I am very satisfied with my ongoing efforts, you should be as well.
Great video. Bought almost every speaker used. Later changed to 75 TV. Later added 2 overhead speakers. Etc. etc. It's a journey for sure.
Fantastic answer Michael. I started my HT journey 16 years ago in a 2 bedroom apartment with really low end Magnovax dvd player and low end Sony HTIB. Today I have a dedicated room with a 7.2.6 Atmos setup. We never go out to cinemas anymore. I can proudly say that my system, fares better than the AMC IMAX in my town 😉. Took a long time to get where I am now, but I loved every moment of it and still do. Your channel has been a great resource along the way!!
I only upgrade my theatre very rarely, BUT when I do, I go all-in. Why? Because having a good design, with improved acoustics, or treatments, or a riser, or whatever gives me a sense of pride in my work and my home. I love it when someone says "This is amazing" or "Wow, that's a cool replica" or "This is better than being at the theatre". I also just love watching movies and TV with my family or by myself. I started very simply with a 27" TV and an RCA 5.1 "home theatre in a box" with passive subwoofer sitting on a coffee table in the living room. 24 years and 2 houses later, I now have a dedicated 13x23 room with 120" screen, 1080p projector, Yamaha AVR, and 7.1 sound. Upgrading to 4k + 13.2.6 ATMOS is next. It's something I'm passionate about while using it, and when upgrading it, but I keep those 2 phases distinct. Why? So I don't constantly feel the need to upgrade. I completely ignore the industry and tech when it's not time to upgrade. Keeps me sane. It's also nice to just focus on using the system instead of constantly tweaking it.
Thinking of home theatre as a journey is a great outlook, although I can see how some people could get disheartened or think it's not for them, after seeing some of the amazing theatre tours you do. I just use them as inspiration, the "HIGH FIDELITY DIY Home Theater Tour in an APARTMENT! Axiom Audio" video is the most similar situation to me which I loved seeing.
My Home Theatre is currently "just" a £550 Hisense 55U7K TV, a £550 SVS SB1000 Pro, 2x £150 Adam T5Vs, with another £400 for acoustic treatment, cables, speaker stand, and a refurbished audio interface. It's being processed/EQ'd by a desktop PC I've already had for almost a decade. And in a really small and awkward room to top it off.
But still, my non-audiophile friend says it sounds just like the cinema, and as much as I nitpick and want to spend more, I am really happy with where it is just as a 2.1 system already, it's able to make me frisson all the time!
Over the next few years I plan to add another sub, then move from the PC to a standalone processor, probably the miniDSP Flex HT, and add surround speakers.
A family member actually has a whole underground semi-dedicated home theatre space (it's also a bedroom when guests visit), which he made only with very cheap used items. Even got 6 seats from a local commercial cinema that shut down!
It's a monstrous upgrade. I got to my level slowly but surely. I replaced things one at a time, saved up because this is my only hobby and I absolutely love it. Nothing is cheap.
One option is a 5.1 type of system to save money...Tests done showed that a well calibrated 5.1 system had almost the same amount of immersion than 22 bed layer speakers... Atmos I suspect will show similar poor results in adding immersion... So now people thinking about a Budget 7.2.6 Atmos system for example can opt for a mid to high end 5.1 system, or a much cheaper 5.1 budget system... 🤔
I've always said that a properly designed 5.1 will best an improperly designed 7.1. Same could be said of any channel count. Just throwing more speakers into a room isn't necessarily going to provide a better experience.
You really gave a very good answer you don't need to rush, i myself when started with 5.1 system bought the used AV receiver and used speakers. Few years down the road i got myself a new Atmos receiver (5.2.4), still used back the old speakers and added used speakers for my to ceiling speaker.
Now I got more cash I will sell the speakers and planning to get a new set of speakers and subs. Been using my old 2nd hand speakers for 10 years. Even my tv I started small, slowly upgraded from 42, inch to 55 inch. and now I own 65inch OLED. All this system is in my living room.
I think the biggest thing is not being afraid to go slowly and not being afraid to buy second-hand equipment. I've got a pretty good Dolby Atmos setup and it only cost me $1300 . But everything was purchased second hand
Wow complete transparency. You have talked about this topic before in the past but this is probably your best video addressing the issue.
I am on my fourth serious home theater in 35 years of watching movies and listening to music.
My first home theater speakers were from RadioShack Tandy OEM hooked up to my VCR. At that time in late 80s early 90s I thought that was awesome to have sound coming from speakers and not my TV.
Now I'm in my 50's and this is my most expensive home theater to date. But just like you said this was 1,000% worth it.
I truly enjoy my home theater space!
Wow thank you for the kind words. Congrats on building your4th Home Theater!
To answer the question: yes. To expound a bit though, I think it's super important to build a room/system that can do 5.1 properly first and foremost since the majority of content, especially older films are not only in 5.1 but in MANY cases sound better in that format. Atmos is important to keep in mind for films mixed for it, and certain remixes but many films remixed for Atmos just aren't that well done and the original mixes are vastly superior.
And I agree, Home Theater isn't "cheap" but I think there is a point where you hit diminishing returns. I like the start small and grow mentality. Excellent advice.
Glad you back to uploading
Me too! It’s much easier now that I’m no longer doing MWAVE.
My recommendation is catch sales on equipment, buy refurbished and open box equipment as well. Always take time in acquiring equipment, everything doesn't have to be bought at once. Something like a home theater is an investment as well. Those are my thoughts. Great vid.
@@percybedford6266 Exactly! I have plenty of on sale items and restocked as well...
I've spent over 100K in the last 30 years in home theater and audio, plus I'm a long way of being a millionaire. I work one full time job, plus over time some time, plus side jobs, to be able to afford my obey, plus I'm not done . I sell some of my audio gear and buy new one in that process. It's never a done deal in home theater. I have with power amps, speakers, home theater processor ,cable room acoustics +++over 100K and there still some stuff I still need.......
You are an example of hard work paying off and building it over time.
Exactly. 100K in 30 years is just 3.3K a year. If you have a regular job making 15K - 30K a year you can easily spend 3K a year and build the home theater of your dreams. Although I would argue that tech is so good these days I would say 15K - 20K is the most you want to spend on a complete Atmos setup for most regular folks.
You're young Michael. Today (August 28, 2024) I turned 69, but I don't feel that OLD! I have been always interested in HT, just not the dedicated dark HT Rooms, but the Living Room/Media Room set ups instead.
Happy Birthday Richard!
Happy Birthday! I agree, I love it all too!
I have a very modest setup. Benq projector, just got a screen but used a painted wall for 10 years. Energy RC speakers for super cheap when Fry's was closing up, Hsu sub from an estate sale. Sony AV3000 replaced a Denon 4520, cheap in ceiling speakers for atmos.
My friends come over and don't ask why I don't have a Trinnov or they think they hear a 0.6db gap in the 225hz range from the left front atmosphere speaker. They come over to watch movies.
It can be done on a budget I have a 7.2.4 system and I would say it cost me in £2300 which is about $3000. The speakers are Eltax the receiver is a Marantz older model but still decodes Atmos and DTS x. 2 channel power amp and second hand UB900 Panasonic 4k player. Shop around it can be done my system sounds fine. Projector is an optoma 4k shift / 3d UHD51. I'm happy with it and it didn't break the bank
I have a 5.1 AV Receiver Surround System I bought slowly piece by piece and I am more than happy with it in my living room
No shit…this is the best video , that I have seen, that you ever made. Your passion for home theater and music is the same as mine. I am about to retire in a couple of months and honestly, the bulk of my pension/nest egg will continue to go towards go towards sounds and vision. I have not, or never will regret money spent towards what I love. Keep up the great work and stay true to who you are. Cheers!
Thank you for the kind words David.
I'm 17 and absolutely love movies. When I finally get my own place, I really want to have a home theater. Right now, I have a subscription to a movie theater in Denmark, which lets me watch all the new releases as much as I want. The thing is, I’ve watched pretty much everything multiple times, even the less-than-great films, so I'm worried that if I get a home theater, it might end up being "wasted" since I’d still be going to the theater to see the latest movies.
On the other hand, I still want a home theater just to have it. It would be amazing to have on hand, for when that movie-watching itch hits, and it would be incredible if I ever wanted to do actual movie reviews, (not just the horrible ones I do on instagram and for family and friends). Watching movies at home in a comfortable setting where I can take notes and really focus would be ideal. I feel like the only way to truly get the best use out of a home theater would be to make connections in the movie industry, use my *incredible* persuasion skills, and somehow get access to watch movies at home as soon as they’re released in theaters.
Just to be specific, I've watched around 1,000 different movies and TV series this year alone. I've loved film since I was 6, so I've watched a TON of movies!
Hey minimalistfilms, sorry brother, I disagree with you. My HT, I can pause anytime I want, popcorn machine at hand, sound ( chair ) shakers. Your own little man cave, but for the family to enjoy. I can keep on going. You have to experience a MANS, MANCAVE, sort of speak
@@Reelfilmstudies Having a good home theater is a different experience from going to the theater. If it's good enough, you may hear things you never heard before in the theater. It's also an entirely different ballgame to sit in a 15' or 25' all square-ish room and to get it to sound like you're outside in the middle of an explosion. 😉
Just...in the future or now...reserve a little bit of time for other things in life than movies. 😀
I enjoy my theater even more when I use it occasionally, as I'm often reminded how revolutionary it is to hear things in quality surround sound.
I live in a small apartment, and I use a set of DIY speakers and a single Klipsch 10" subwoofer in a 5.1 surround system in my living room. It's not a world beater, but it serves me, plus I got to build three of them, the centre and two surround channels. The fronts I inherited from my dad after he upgraded to a set of bigger speakers he actually prototyped years ago. They were part of his original 5.1 system from back in the 90s, and they still work great.
I built my Home Theater in 2021. An 82" 4k Samsung TV and a Nakamichi 9.2.4 Soundbar. Under $3,000.00 for the two. This allowed me to get into a dedicated Movie room for a low cost. I now have my house on the Market and my realtor said I need to sell everything in the room with the house as this has added value to the price. 5 showings in 5 days and everyone loves the Theater. It became a wise investment.
My next house will have a dedicated Theater with a 120" Projection screen and a UST projector, along with a full 7.2.4 Denon/Klipsch set up. Expected cost of around $12K to $15K. To me, well worth it.
There are levels to everything. Any hobby you look at, you will find budget items, mid tier items and the crème de la crème items. For cars, you can go from a Smart car to a Bugatti, for home theater you can go from a budget receiver that’s $400 to Trinnov which is $40k depending on how you spec it. Everyone’s financial situation is different but if you want something really bad enough, you will find a way to obtain it. Sometimes that can mean changing careers or working overtime or getting a second job. For some, the movie experience is enough for them and they will just pay their $20 or whatever it is to go to the commercial theater and have the experience that way. There really isn’t a magic pill other than hard work and dedication to achieve anything you want in this life.
Hey youthman.....ive been following u for years...u have been very inspirational.....like u i started small...but now have a dedicated room with a 9.3.4 with a 4k projector ....amps etc......yes the journey is the best bit...now its been in use for 5 years or so ive taken on new projects....but there is nothing better to sit with my wife and watch a new film with snax....of course another good thing about home cinema is u can pause it and go the loo!!
You saidit best. It’s all about priorities. I bought my first setup in college when I worked at BestBuy while I lived in an apartment and it was awesome. I ran the same setup for almost 18 years other than TV upgrades from a small crt to a big rear projection, then to a dlp in our home living room. Then I started changing gear.
A great flatscreen. Then a new denon receiver. Then changed the Sony towers and center to Svs. A Sony sub became dual Svs subs. I still have Sony rears b/c they work. Added Svs height fronts later.
It’s a wip but we don’t have a dedicated room but in a family room it’s awesome.
Sure it’s been a lot of money and it’s always evolving but that’s part of it. Enjoy what you can. This isn’t a bank account measuring contest.
Exactly.....HT is not cheap budget means something different to everyone. My initial HT was a sound bar n sub. Then moved to Bose, Sonos and settled with 9.2. I don't have a dedicated room either so it also has to please the better half. I want a dedicated room but that's not a reality. But then again I'm not mad at other people's budget. That said still trying to convince her how we need a 98 inch tv. 77 is just to small😊😊
Tell her Youthman said you should buy the 98” TV. It will be MUCH more of an immersive experience. You’re welcome. 🤣
77 is just to small yep for me too😃
I built my first real surround sound system for around $850, and about $500 for the TV for a "theater". Was it as good as even the Elac system mentioned in the prior video? No - but it was FAR beyond the AmazonBasics soundbar I was stepping up from (funny enough, I came to find out that the TV I had that soundbar on had better speakers than the soundbar itself, but that's a story for another time). We've been upgrading ever since I made that first "theater".
We've done it slowly over the last 4 years, and we probably won't be at the "budget/mid" tier for another 5 years. It IS expensive to get to that first "budget" tier. But getting your foot in the door isn't nearly as expensive as $3000, or even $1000. Had I known about second-hand, and been more comfortable with it, I probably could have built a better first system for less than what I paid.
The journey has still been a lot of fun - that entry system (that we still use portions of) was my first introduction to Atmos. We're saving right now to finish upgrading our bed layer and our subwoofers to what we would like - because the step up is significant. But we absolutely love what we have now, even as we plan for the next step.
I think Atmos is cool, but nothing I would spend a lot of extra money on. I got used Denon X4300H paired with a $75 external amp for the front heights, which are custom mounted Dayton B652's. I paid $900 for the AVR, amp, and all 4 height speakers. The effect is cool in a few specific movie scenes, but not a game changer in my opinion. It sounds childish, but having great bass is the true game changer. My whole system was about $6,500 and I am flat down to 14Hz at over 120dB with Atmos and a JVC PJ. Not cheap, but nobody would blink at a $25,000 car that is someone's hobby. As I write this, there are 8 teenagers in my theater having the time of their lives. That makes it worth it to me.
You are spot on with this video. I remember being able to afford a Harman kardon AVR 235, but couldn't afford speakers. I was running some boom box speakers for surrounds and some old speakers from the 70s as fronts. It was far from perfect, but over time I started to add to my setup. I know I'll never have really expensive speakers, but I'm okay with what I can afford.
People rush to the finish line, the journey is where the fun is. I went from TV speakers to 2.0, to 3.0, then turned my fronts into surrounds and became a 5.0, then a 5.1, and now currently a 5.1.2. Just added tactile inducers. It's been fun learning about all the pieces of the puzzle.
I love this!
Well said. I had a 5.1 set up for almost 20 years which by most peoples standards was excellent. However, I always had my sights set on a bigger set up. Finally a couple of years ago I had the opportunity to install a 7.1.4 system as part of some renovation work we were doing. We don’t have a massive room (it’s our living room) or particularly high ceilings so there were always going to have to be compromises. For me the sound treatment and additional electrics was 50% of the cost (£11,000 alone) but I figured, do it right and the AV equipment can always be upgraded as needed. I went for RSL base layer and in ceiling speakers, a Deon 6700h amp and an LG 77” G2. I’ve since added a Panasonic UB820 4k blue ray player, which I have to say was totally worth it. Now I am blown away by the base layer sound , but the Atmos is a bit more subtle, not underwhelming just less obvious than I expected. Part of this I believe is down to having to have in ceiling speakers which though angled still needed to be brought in closer to the seating position. However I’m hoping that in a few months I’ll be able to add an Emotiva BasX A3 to power the front channels. Fingers crossed this will allow the amp to put more power to the remaining speakers which once adjusted will allow the Atmos speakers to get the power they need.
I live in an apartment. For my home system i started off with a receiver and 2 speakers. A lot of places give you the option to make payments. All in all i spent close to 3k for my sytem over the months by doing payments, i didnt get all my speakers at once either, when i could, i would buy one at a time and pay it off before getting another. It took time but now 3 years later my system is complete 😊
100 percent agree. I don't have alot of money so the process of looking and upgrading when I can is as fun to me as building an awesome system. I currently have a marantz av but am waiting to be able to afford an amp to use it.
Your road and journey to your home theater until now is truly massive and unforgettable. Me too because it took me almost 30 years to build my mini home theater from 5.1 set up, then to medium 7.1 set up until now 7.2.4 Dolby Atmos home theater and I am very satisfy of what I have owned now. Even though I have spent lots of $$$ changing from entry lever speakers, amplifiers and cables to high end equipment till now, I would say is really worth it because I am just like you a home theater fever lover.
Love it!
Most of us understand that when the word "affordable" is used, it's a relative term. For those in the Home Theatre arena, you can relate these costs to a more common cost for a particular product. No different if you're in the market for a car or a house. Relative to the subject spoken. Therefore, Michael is accurate in his description due to the subject and content that was relative to his post. I think wanting to include or broaden these costs to those outside of this is mute. You just can't cater to every single individual on Earth when reviewing every product. I honestly found it honest and informative. There are so many channels that can do HT on a budget with computer speakers or soundbars, etc.. Stay on your path, Youthman, you're doing great! 👍
What is going to be the next big thing for home theater ?
- floor speakers pointing up ?
- butt kicker revolution ?
- 4D experience / DBOX seats
- 4k 3D
I LOVE everything about my Dolby Atmos system, and I haven't yet built my ideal setup but I will soon.
I agree with your comments on enjoying the journey. I've got a decent 5.1 setup at home. I don't plan to expand on it until I get into my next home but I have used this setup for the past decade after obtaining speakers from my dad after he finally upgraded his home theater. Expanding to 7.4.2 is in the plans eventually but won't be single purchase but will likely take a couple years and several steps to get there. Another point is, I think people don't see or understand the process and journey. They just see some guy on UA-cam or social media with an incredible set up and think they will never obtain that because they don't have enough funds today. Micheal, I'm willing to be some of the love for your theater is from the process of building it and all of the iterations you have experienced before.
You're building a new theatre??!!!! I'm so excited! Congrats to you!
Indeed I will be. Might be awhile. Not sure exactly when we will move but definitely within a year.
I am very most happy with every piece of audio I've had an have today. Currently, I'm running a Denon AVR-4700H with Jamo s8 5speaker surround. And one 10" sub an a 8"sub.
I recently built my own home theater and wanted a 7.1.4 Atmos setup while keeping it as affordable as possible. My main investment was the Sony AZ 5000 ES AVR to make sure I could power 11 channels without additional amplifiers. That set me back 2K. I went with Klipsch reference speaker for the ear level speakers and subs. Two 10-inch subs, six bookshelf speakers, and a center speaker set me back an additional 750 bucks. I had four Panasonic satellite speakers from an old 5.1 home theater in a box which I used for my height speakers. All in I was able to build an absolutely fantastic sounding Dolby Atmos setup for under 3K. This hobby can be very expensive but there are definitely ways to build on a budget.
@@davivman6009 Yes sir! You're right about that! Congratulations on the build!
in a real home theatre with in ceiling speakers, id have to say 100% yes its worth it, but 4 is a must. Just didnt feel like 2 did very much. My upstairs living room is not a true home theatre and in my 5.2.2 set up there i barely notice the front wall atmos, they are placed and calibrated correctly but get lost in the front mix too often. i see much more utility in rear speakers if you receiver makes you chose between the two. thats my experience anyway
Having front Atmos as height speakers could easily blend into your front LCR.
Hell yeah dude I drive an 05 ford pickup. Its paid for and reliable. Gonna keep it for a long time.
Great points. I myself spent money on a 990D and couldn't be happier. The OP needs to IGNORE the more bullish feedback from some of the more traditional HT enthusiasts who like to scorn over lack of traditional separates and just enjoy what you have. I couldn't be happier with mine (Went from a 3.1 Klipsch system and to me, the 990D is better in many respects, but lacks in a few others). Ultimately hobbies like this have to be enjoyed, and not feel like constant work or always having to be defended. Do what you like and get to a level you are happy with. If thats spending thousands over many years on separate system and projector etc, or on a single decent soundbar with a 85" QLED, just remember to enjoy it You are not in competition with anyone but yourself. .
His wife asking him to partake in his hobby enjoyment because they both grew to like it. So this is what peak looks like.
Thank you kindly.
My first sound bar was the Vizio 2.1 SB36AN-F6 with built in subwoofers. This was back 2016-2018 and I bought it used.
I've never bought more than 2 av products at once. I have pretty much the same av path as Michael
I've been shopping for ht for 30 years. Upgrade and add as u go. Constantly upgrading, diy, online discussions is the hobby for me. So to me the hobby in itself is worth it.
Going out for a night's entertainment can be quite expensive. However, choosing to stay in and watching a movie (or listening to music) in the long run can actually save money.
Your HT can be whatever you make it but I think the first level of serious equipment starts at around $10k-$15k.
Could be much less if you start with quality used gear. I know mine was way under $10,000 when I started.
Hey michael quick question what is your top 5 favourite movies?
Agree with your viewpoint on this subject. I have a mixture of some older equipment in my home theater and the wife and I absolutely love it. In my opinion it is a better experience than going to the theater. For me it’s like everything else in society, you get something ( such as a home theater) that you always wanted and then see something newer. All of a sudden what you have is not good enough anymore. I watch the home theater videos and mostly enjoy the diy projects from ordinary people with smaller budgets because they remind me of my own experience. As long as you and your family are happy with your home theater, it doesn’t matter what the big spenders (or large debt accumulators) have. I’m an older person and would have never thought that the theater experience in the home was ever possible for an average person such as myself. Get a nice picture and good sound within your budget and you’re good to go.
You are the King of home theater enthusiasm, God bless you.
I appreciate the compliment.
I would rather suggest to start simple but buy quality .. dont buy cheap midfi speakers and amps just so you can jump to 7.1 or 11.1.. I suggest making a 5.1 with an av receiver.. later add more speakers that are the same type and another sub and move up to 7.1..Yes I agree with this video..He said the same thing.Dont rush into complication..depending on the needs and the room..you might be satisfied and spend way less..never sign an agreement and sink big money all at once into a system..please..
Solid advice! Enjoy the journey and don’t be afraid to build it over time.
Gone from getting into films as a kid and watching on a 14" 4:3 mono TV and VHS through DVD and Blu-ray and mini 2 channel systems, home theatre in a box right through to a decent Denon and Atmos - absolutely about the journey - next stop 4K UHD!
See most people don't realize that money going into proper dedicated home-theater is to be considered as long term investment. Because unlike the cheapo soundbars the rooms the speaker setups the entire package is expected to last them over a long time and provide a solid returns for the investment in form of entertainment. So when you see even a "bit" decently done audio setup for around $10-15k would get you the core experience that get you moved and immersed every time you turn it on. And beyond a certain budget point I really don't see people even visiting local cinema theaters anymore. So if one has to think about economy just consider the amount being saved on tickets and food for entire family if one has to visit the theaters. That adds up to being a lot. So yeah overall home-theater setups in no way can be considered as waste of money.
I appreciate you sharing your perspective King.
Very very true , i started with my most expensive unit was a pioneer receiver usually $1000 - $2000 but everything else was cheep , back when even surround was not around i ran speaker B as an effect as a surround ..lol and all my speakers were small no sub ... eventually you upgrade this and upgrade that ..and you get better stuff, it is a journey ... now the trap is not to get sucked in on the latest and greatest, my main speakers & surrounds are 20+years and still sounding awesome ... can i upgrade them , maybe but i stuck with them... and going from a 19" tube tv to a bigger tube tv then to a 52" lcd then to a 65" led and now to a 120" screen with projector , and affordable single recline seats.. finally i am to what i think is end game for me ...
I just wanted to say kudos to your channel, I've enjoyed it over the years since I discovered your channel. I've been a home theater enthusiast since my teenage years in the seventies, going back to Nova beam , advent TV. And four channel stereo, and quadrophonic sound. The early beginnings of home theater. I didn't have money for those things back then. But I always envisioned someday having my own home theater. Eventually, that happened. I bought a 3M projector package that came with an elite 105 inch screen. Later on, I progressed to several projectors, epson 2045 1080P. An optoma UHD 50X. optoma UHD 28. For media using a 4K roku media device And a 4K amazon fire stick . My home theater may not be as elaborate as some of the others I see showcased, but the journey has been enjoyable your Chanel is definitely one of my favorites I enjoy your enthusiasm for the hobby I haven't gone into detail about all the equipment that I have acquired overtime but I definitely found some great deals. I would encourage others not to be afraid to look at either open box or used electronics. There's always a good deal to be found. Thanks again for the channel.
Great video!
I've been using a Samsung Q990 soundbar for about 2 years.
Now in the process of building a new home.
I've a bunch of boxes waiting to be opened.
KEF Q750 LR
KEF Q650C
KEF Q50a - 1 pair side surrounds and 1 pair front heights
REL HT1510 Predator subwoofer
Marantz SR7015 AVR
Trying to decide on TV, will be a 75 or 85.
Yep, it's not cheap but I enjoy the process.
I absolutely agree. If you’re passionate about it you will have a yard sale trade stuff and even save money over time to get where you want to be. It is a journey and a fun one
That’s it!
Hat’s off to you sir, love your response and dedication!
I just found out about your channel a month ago and you’ve really taught me.
Personal I can relate fully, I’m still young but I’m slowly trying to grow my audio space.
When I first got a flat screen tv as a early teen I was stoked, didn’t like the speakers on it so eventually I went to a Goodwill and found a pair of Sony- tweeter, mid, & sub speaker combo. I went home to cut out the tv speakers and hand wired the Sony pairs, and man did my world turn around I couldn’t go back.
A few year’s later I ended up getting a bigger flat screen tv and then upgraded to a Samsung sound-bar/subwoofer system with rear surrounds. That made home theater even better for me, I would keep the same setup for another 4 years.
Now that I’m married, a few months ago we were short on money and I was trying finding a way to sell items to stay afloat. I thought of selling my Samsung theater system on Facebook Market and hopefully find something from Goodwill to replace it.
Thank you for the kind words.
At this point I just couldn’t go back to listening to content through tv speakers, good quality sound was something that I cannot sacrifice for.
While at Goodwill all that I was looking for was something that can be somewhat match to the Samsung.
I found a Klipsch sound-bar/sub combo and wasn’t to sure of the brand. I did some research and heard some good reviews about, so I gambled my decision to buy it.
The Klipsch was missing some thing like a remote control & app connection so I was really nervous if this was going to work at all. Sure enough when I got it connected and played the movie Cars, I was blown away! The bass and clarity was out of this world and outperformed my Samsung system for miles.
Not only was I able to get a good deal from Goodwill but I was able to sell my Samsung theater system for a good price and we were able to survive for another day.
All I’m trying to say is I’m glad to be able to enjoy this obsession and one day I’ll be able to create a full theater system, my wife enjoys good sound quality and like you I’m also about to enjoy wonderful times with my wife.
Thank you for this vid and I truly think it’s worth it!
Absolutely you can start it cheap - even in Europe where there is low market for HT stuff, and stuff is more pricey than in US. You probably have a living room with sofa right? No dedicated room needed at all! First started with used Panasonic plasma TV (120$) and my father's old HT (samsung with super tiny sattelites and a little sub). When we bought a house the previous owners left some cheap floorstanders there so used those for a while. Then some used equip - old Yamaha AV receiver together with 5.1 speakers (really small) with cables - 130 $. Cheap aliexpres chinese 720p projector - 60$. Aliexpres HDMI matrix switch and digital sound extractor - 50$. Rolling screen - 80$ (or use white wall for zero $). Some cables from ali + local hardware store were also cheap. Then added cheap 50$ bass shakers to the sofa with cheap ali amp for like 20$ - works like a charm (even toned down a little as too much shaking distracts). Then bought old Yami NS-300 floorstanders with much bigger sub - 500$ (but had a guy repair destroyed tweeters) - I was wowed with the sound - really great speakers. Bought them based on some old review where the pair where testing them and compared them to several like 5000$ speakers (at that time mind you) and they stood their ground easily. Sub can go to 20Hz too if setup correctly. Then matching surrounds from German ebay (NS-100) and center from Polish electronics seller (NS-C300) together for like 400$. Finally some video - Epson 4k+3D projector (new) for 1250$. Denon atmos receiver 550$. Forgot that I added that Samsung sub as a nearfield behind the sofa as it was quite thin so ideal - another wow. Even this little baby adds quite a lot to the experience. Now built 15 inch shallow near field (125$ driver, old furniture for enclosure + my work = zero $. cheap ali amp + el. source = 60$). Ready to install it today with atmos speakers (will use those small Yami bookshelf speakers that I have laying around = anything bigger will "kill" my wife lol). It's a journey as Youthman says, don't dwell on the final destination, it takes years. Took me like 5 to get wherever I am and this is not my primary money eating hobby, motorcycles and traveling is. So if it was I would be much further for sure. Still the experience is much better than even our big city's IMAX theater (no low bass, the projector is only full HD so when I went there I thought at first it's not focused).
It's definitely not a cheap hobby but it can be rewarding. When I built my first livingroom "theater" parts express in Springboro Ohio used to have tent sales every year. I was able buy everything I needed for a 5.1 then to a 5.1.4 for less than $1000. My dayton audio in ceiling and in wall speakers was $5 a piece. My towers where pure acoustics and paid $75 for the pair. Now I've sold all of that and invested into my 7.4.6 "dedicated" theater and again I went "budget" with emotiva speakers and amplifiers which their sno20 discount code made it possible and open box from monoprice for my near field subs. Only thing I splurged on was my GSG enclosure for my Ultimax sub. Also accessories 4 less had a fantastic deal on my marantz processor. Like you say all the time it's the journey, which my wife has grown to appreciate and enjoy this hobby. She/we use the theater we built every day and she tells me all the time "worth every penny".
As a Portland hipster I enjoy home theater ironically: vintage 21”Telstar running UHF white noise constantly.
Hey Michael. Been watching your channel now for a few years. I bought my first decent system almost 2 years ago second hand off of facebook market place. Onkyo tx-nr686 and klipsch reference series speakers. I have in the last year upgraded all my bed layer speakers to the rp600iis and an rp504c. That wasn't enough because in a matter of two months I got the klipsch ki-396-sma-ii professional series for my left and right. Also just ordered 2 24 inch stereo integrity subs, a speaker power sp12000 and Evolution sealed boxes from GSG. Because I was missing 12,000 watts of room shaking destruction. Next year I want to start purchasing JTR because from everything I've seen it seems like that's about the end game for most people.
Never miss your videos Michael… because you not only talk about technical part but the practical way to make your dreams of a reasonable high end home theater in middle or higher middle class family. In this particular video, you have listened the practical way to get one’s home theater dream come through, without sacrificing family commitments &resposiblities…Again there you are Michael.. Always appreciate you..!
I got 7 Jamo speakers 4 Jamo c91 ii, 2 Jamo c93ii, and 1 Jamo c9 Center, with 2 Jamo c912 subs, a used Marantz SR5015, and all the speaker wire, mounts, and accessories for about $2500. Got a used 85 inch Sony x900F off Facebook for $1250. Whole system for less than the price of the Nakamichi Dragon. I've spent maybe another $500 for sound panels and an acoustic wood slat wall behind the TV. Its definitely not cheap, but it's also incredibly well budgeted. You could go cheaper and still get a decent setup. The quality of sound and the "dome" of my budget setup is incredibly detailed. Completely poops on the Nakamichi Shockwafe I had and returned. The Shockwafe had power, but no fidelity.
I love it!
Hi Michael. Brilliant answer. Some people don’t understand, or miss the point what home theatre is all about. Now, I’m so glad you watched Guardians Of The Galaxy, it’s a fantastic trilogy, great music, it’s funny and great actors. I know how you feel when you watched it for the first time, wow 😊. Take care. Kind regards Gary 😊
I totally enjoy your channel. I have a nice theater system in my living room. Klipsch speakers 7.2, Yamaha AVR. No Atmos yet. However my Yamaha does support it. But going to swap out for a Denon. I really enjoy the interviews. I have gained so much education on audio sound. Plus, you are right, it is about the journey and the experience you share with yourself and others with your passion. It is also an investment.
You absolutely right about building a system up slowly only problem is that people to want everything right now I've personally been building and changing my system since the days of laser disk lol and I love that process of sometimes seeing massive improvements in one form or another
Yep, a huge benefit of building my theaters has been being that place where my son brings his friends. Same reason I always hosted the tailgate party when we went to football games every Saturday. Bring your friends over. We have food. We have snacks. I would print up movie tickets for him to give his friends. Great stuff.
Perfectly outlined. Let passion drive you. Great video. Welcome to FL.
Thanks! I’m a native Floridian, lived here all but 4 years of my life. We are just moving from Plant City to likely The Villages (or close).
Hi Michael! Do you think there’s added benefit to using 6-8 atmos speakers vs the traditional 4? In your experience in your own HT and touring others with plenty bed layer channels, is it that much more immersive from the main listening position than say a 7.2.4 system?
Dolby Atmos worth it in 2024 YES. I have A small room 13X10 feet /3X4 metre which I have updated over the years. The current system is 5.1.4 and is the best room in the house.
I'd place ceiling Atmos only slightly above center rear channel as to adding anything to the home theater experience. I don't think I've ever noticed anything coming out of the center rear channel, at least the Atmos overheads, one or two times, in the last couple of years, I've actively noticed unique audio from the overhead channels. Unfortunately 99.9% of the time I have to get up on a chair and put my head next to the speaker to tell if it's doing anything at all. It may be contributing to an overall Fuller sound in the room but I can't say that it's worth spending the extra time and money.
5-Disc Stereo/Tube ---> 6.1/Rear Projection ---> 6.1/LCD ---> 5.2.2/C3.
I know there are far better systems out there (my Sony A/V should probably be replaced with a Marantz) but it still melts my face off when I turn it up and my friends are always surprised by it. I just put on Two Towers and skip to Helms Deep. That's enough to make their jaws drop.
What speakers do you have behind your projector screen?
For those of us not made out of money, saving money, buying 2nd hand, and building your system overtime is the only way to do it.
I got hand me down 1980s technics speakers from a friend free. That got me to a 5.1 setup out the gate. I had a cheap 100W Polk sub to start. 5 years ago I bought two SVS PB-12 subs on Black Friday. 4 years ago I got 4 ceiling JBL speakers on closeout deal to prepare for Atmos (my receiver didn’t support atmos) 2 years ago I bought a used SVS Ultra Center on Facebook for half price of new. Then finally this year I got an Onkyo RZ50 receiver open box for half the MSRP… next up will be replacing the main L and R speakers… with kids and other things in life this is how I’ve made it work
I don’t know too many people that are made out of money. I know I surely am not.
Amen Michael....Amen.
You always have a way to break things down to make them very simple.
Thank you. It’s probably because I’m pretty simple myself,
This is how I look at it, I have been passionate about home theater since I was 15 years old. Everyone has to understand that building a home theater system is a gradual process, and it takes time to acquire all the necessary components. As an enthusiast, I have gradually purchased each piece of equipment over time. If you are passionate about something, you are more likely to invest in it. I do believe that it is important to be realistic about the financial commitment required to build a home theater system. But again, if that's something that you enjoy doing in life you're going to invest. Great video as always!
Thank you for the perspective Colby.
Upgraded my speakers first awhile back and learned to calibrate correctly. Rocking a 5.1 and mastered sound with that. But at the most will Upgrade with two more speakers for 7.1. Atmos is interesting but would probably be satisfied with the 7.1 Upgrade.
Hi. Question. What is your take on using regular similar speakers like the one's I use for my left, right, both rears as one's Atmos(height) speakers?
Having identical speakers in your entire set up is an amazing experience. Completely seamless.
My (4) surrounds and (4) Atmos are identical - ua-cam.com/video/C22TupIi3-o/v-deo.htmlsi=J-YFMIKUxPd3u4DY
I have 5.1.2 atmos with epson projector and 150-inches manual screen in my living room. Most items are used, total cost 2700 US dollars over ca 3 last years.
Having learned my skills as an A/V repair tech since the early 70's when home cinema
was a few years away, even in the H-Fi boom era, you bought the best that you could afford
and upgrade as funds allowed.
Today buyers want instant results, hence why soundbars are so popular, but the better ones
as still expensive.
It has taken me decades to have a true home cinema room with Dolby Atmos height speakers.
and most of my gear was bought as used and often from repairs that customers refused our quotes
and never collected them.
My point is be patient, unless you have very deep pockets take it one step at a time.
All good things come to they who wait.
Being patient is key.