@@solomonozmund6728 No, Alfred is wise, he saw what was coming from miles away, he knew Clark would try and rule over after he had began his vengeful purge.
This scene made me fell too emotional man this made me feel a sharp pain in my chest my too favorite childhood heros losing their humanity is hard to watch
@@gogitosavage9757 As much as this may be true, guys like Joker wouldn't survive in real world. Sooner or later, someone would've kill him. Either family member of some of his victims, or cop wanting to prevent more deaths, that doesn't matter. Even if nothing of above happened, after what he did, he would be sentenced to death. There is no way you can kill hundreds and stay alive. That's just not possible.
To be honest the real people we should blame are the ones letting joker live 🗿 Yeah bruce should kill joker but ain’t bruce the one who’s giving them the chance to kill joker legally?
@@renegade4lifeboii5 Also the insanity plea only works if the person is incapable of telling right from wrong. Joker not only can but does some things specifically because their evil.
@@justaguywithagoodphoto4801 Yeah, I think that when an insane person causes too much loss of life, the plea of insanity is subject to an exception clause that allows the accused to be tried as a criminal.
It's weird because I always thought that Batman was more like Sasuke,and Clark like Naruto. But that kind of got reversed in injustice eh? But then again I guess the whole 'Why do we get to choose who dies' line from Bruce does sound like what Naruto would say. While the 'few deaths to save many more' sounds more like Sasuke,Pain,or Madara
it's really, kind of touching, to see how they actually care for one another, and how they end up as enemies if only Bruce were more open to Clark and accepted to go with him, maybe things could have been more different, he may be the man of steel, but he also needs helps sometimes in a while
why is everyone blaming batman for supermans mistakes. like yea batman could have been there for him but that doesnt change the fact superman did what he did. batman isnt responsible for supermans actions dude. blaming batman for being BATMAN is no excuse for superman to turn evil
@@leoneyamada5408 batman is wrong. If batman instead of saving joker would kill joker none of this would happen. Over here batman is selfish for not showing support to Clark
@@sumairshirazi so its batmans fault superman turned evil.... i think not. yes batman could have stopped it but that doesnt make supermans actions his fault
@@leoneyamada5408 batman had many opportunities to kill joker but didn't. Batman would prioritise saving joker rather than the city. If batman would console Superman and be there for him emotionally then Superman wouldn't have turned evil. Like only killing joker would have been enough. But batman didn't do it. Plus Superman would have ignored wonder woman as well if batman supported Superman and was there for him
@@sumairshirazi batman doesnt kill tho. jokers entire life goal is to make batman kill him. so if batman kills him then joker wins... THATS HIS ENTIRE CHARACTER... so saying batman should kill him is kinda stupid because it ignores the whole point of why he doesnt... many many many people want to kill him and thats fine, like redhood or gordon that 1 time... but batman will never bring himself to do it and cross that line. if batman kills joker then batman turns into the batman who laughs... YOUR LITERALLY saying batman is in the wrong when if he does what you want he goes evil...
Sometimes I wonder, if Bruce/Batman suffers some form of autism. He emotionally cuts himself off from others, yet craves emotional attachment even if he doesn't give it. He's super intelligent but lacks an ability to show empathy in most adaptations (the exception being early batman the animated series where he DID show empathy to others). He just seems completely introvert with how he handles things, and always looking for a logical method to solve something, when sometimes something as simple as holding something, showing them a kind gesture, is all you really need to do.
Man superman is spitting some straight facts and I feel like the whole dictator superman saga could've been ended with Clark crying if Batman just straight up gave him a hug there and told him."I didn't love him, I love you and I'm so so sorry" rather than punching him.
that punch was a bit out of character of Bruce. but then again this whole superman is out of character. That´s just some bullshit so the plot can work out
He became a dictator because his best friend Bruce abandoned him instead of helping him. Everything would've been different if Bruce helped him figure things out.
This conversation is extra sad when you consider that both of them have it backwards. Batman is dissapointed because the man that showed him Justice doesnt always have to come from the shadows could be capable of murdering people in cold blood (even the likes of Joker) so he desperatedly tries to appeal to "The Superman" completly ignoring the fact that Clark needed a friend to help him. And Superman keep´s trying to appeal to Bruce Wayne, when we all know that Bruce is just a mask for the real person "The Batman" and as such Clark cant comprehend why bruce is against him, even when he admits that the death of the joker was beneficial for mankind and that he would also impose global peace trought force if he had clark´s powers. This moment right here is an example of what happens when you put your story in the hands of very talented writers who know their shit and the characters they are working with, BRAVO.
Yea for all the horrible writing in the series mostly to try and fit with Netherrealm's horrible take on Superman moments like these really show the writers at some level got both characters.
Definitely. I especially like how Batman projects his fears onto Clark here, too; when he says that justifying it once is all it takes, it's clear that he's not talking about _Superman_ . You can tell that Batman, above anything else, is terrified of a Batman who kills. ...And for that matter, the whole mask thing. There's a reason that after Superman took it off, Bruce put it back on while they were still talking: Superman didn't rip off Batman's mask, he ripped off Batman's _face_ .
How to prevent injustice: Superman: *goes to the white house* "Hey man the Joker escaped again and killed a bunch of people. Batman won't kill him and says I shouldn't either but isn't this thing, ya know, putting criminals to justice, your job?" President: "What, we can't kill him he's legally insane!" Superman: "If you keep letting him escape and kill people, you're legally insane. Grow up and give the order" President: "Hello Gotham police? Yeah could you please kill the Joker?" Police: "Finally!" The end
Superman: one death, to save millions. Batman: it starts with - One thing I don't know why It doesn't even matter how hard you try Keep that in mind, I designed this rhyme To explain in due time All I know Time is a valuable thing Watch it fly by as the pendulum swings Watch it count down to the end of the day The clock ticks life away
The thing to remember is that Bruce is *every bit* as pathologically damaged as his rogues; his psychosis is bent toward stopping crime and saving lives, though. Even if it means saving the life of a mass-murderer, because any death that Bruce was even *potentially* capable of preventing is absolute anathema to him
Me: you could also just only kill the villians that have not reformed after countless attempts and are unlikely able to be saved, while just jailing the rest as they can be saved? Batman and Superman: NO! We either kill no one, or everyone!
@@NaViAgain-ts9lj Of course, Superman was the one that got to decide who was bad and who was a traitor. And before long, he was quickly deeming the whole world bad and traitorous.
@@NaViAgain-ts9lj Did not finish reading all the comics from this. But it was mostly still just black and white. If supes only executed all the impossible cases, while still jailing and reforming others, while not going full dictator, then he would have had a point.
Superman is right though. He didn't console Superman after Lois' death or after killing Joker, he just saw him as a murderer instead of actually trying to help him after he suffered an unfathomable loss. Batman isn't a good friend
Why are there comments here saying if Bruce was actually there for Clark, it would have been different? You literally had Wonder Woman up Clark’s ass this entire time feeding him bs even when Bruce kept telling Clark not to go down that path. WW was a MAJOR factor
Absolutely but Bruce is Clark’s best friend and he could’ve been his moral compass in the situation and stop wonder woman from putting the thoughts in his head. But he couldn’t swallow his pride to help his best friend.
I don’t get it either. Bruce is telling people constantly that this is wrong, telling Clark that he needs to stop, that he’s scaring and hurting people. Not sure how that’s not appealing to his justice and kindness.
This scenario has already happened in alternative dimension called “KINGDOM COME”. In that universe, instead of becoming a dictator after the Joker poisoned the Daily Planet, Superman just secluded himself in his fortress; and what did Batman to maintain order? Nothing. He also hid in his batcave; I feel like, Batman is just following what Clark does...
Am I the only one thinking Superman was 100% in the right here? There are things more important than your morals out there, even if it means you have to do it more than once. This is like comparing someone who has a drink once in a while to an alcoholic.
To be clear, at least at the beggining, superman was completely correct. Both in real life and in comics. One death to save millions? Thats a no-brainer.
@@ugospotty678 Incorrect. The no-brainer about the situation is either one person MUST die or 1 million people WILL die. You're right, it's a life, and there's that same feeling times a MILLION on the other side. I understand what you're trying to say but it just falls flat with logic.
bruce summed it up so well in under the red hood, "if i allow myself to go down that hole, i can never come back out" those words are literally the injustice universe
What Batman was trying to teach Superman is it's the people who choose to do evil that should be scared of the consequences of their actions not to put the innocent or confused or those who have strayed from doing what's right in a permanent state of fear. Yes Batman has scared innocent people but he truly doesn't mean to and he doesn't want to and he more than understands where Clark is coming from but he's trying to remind him that it really doesn't take much to go too far.
I’m sorry, but I’m 100% on Superman’s side here. One death to save literal millions. Batman seems more broken up that he lost his favorite playmate. Cos Bruce needs something to fight. In his broken psyche mind, he needs a bad guy to fight to dedicate his rage and anger towards. If it was about justice, he would have put the joker down years ago to save innocent lives. Im just saying. Im kinda okay with Superman’s regime at the start.
I mean idk I think the justice system for Gotham should have been imposed the death penalty. I mean when Superman killed joker he later on did a lot of horrible shit, and when Batman killed joker he became the Batman who laughs. Either way it was a lose lose situation.
Batman's problem is that he is absolutely, mentally incapable of killing, even when it is 100% justified and demanded and *necessary.* You don't get to be a vigilante with villains like the Joker and be unwilling to kill when they rack up the bodycounts they do. Superman's problem is that the "one life to save millions" should have stopped there. It didn't. And that's the whole problem - and *exactly* what Batman was afraid of. Regime Superman is the absolute living proof of why Batman does not kill; because *that* is what he is afraid he would turn into.
As much as Supes was right, i understood where Bats was coming from. The problem with killing is that people tend to cross the line and do it when it is not even necessary. I'm not saying that Joker shouldn't be killed but Supes didn't draw the line on when and how to kill (when he became a tyrant)
@@retronerds6884 true. Completely true. Thanks to Batman's betrayal and wonder woman's corruption, Supes turned into a murdering psychopath that could not be reasoned with.
@@linnoel3095 to be honest not one of superman's so called friends where they're when actually needed him batman turned his back on him proceeded to help the government kidnap his parents and continued to antagonize him, flash wasn't there, neither was hal, Barry, Jon, Arthur, victor, you can make a case for billy, Conner showed up berated him told him he was wrong for killing joker and tried to trap him in the phantom zone, wonder woman is actually the one who there for him and we see how that turned out
I have to say if I was Bruce when Superman offered for me to come I would have said “okay but remember Clark joker was the only death needed so no killing and if you get angry take a minute to calm”
The "Bruce killed thousands by not killing the Joker" is an immensely faulty argument. While it may be technically true, it's also the start of an incredibly steep road that descends into evil. After killing Joker, why not kill Szaz as well? Then Professor Pyg, the Riddler, Bane, Penguin... then all the murderers. Then all the potential murderers. Then all the ones you don't like personally. Which is what Superman actually did. Bruce was perfectly right in his assumption that killing the Joker wasn't up to him, or any other superhero. If anything, it was up to the official authorities. Because let's be frank, if Joker had gotten the death penalty for a crime he did commit, I doubt Batman would have saved him... if anything, he would have cracked up the pop-corn and sit back while watching the execution happen, probably even filming the whole thing so that he would be able to rewatch it every day.
With a killer like joker you would think that government would have give him the death penalty along with all the worst villains to but nah really it’s the governments fault in here to
Your argument is the faulty one, killing in this case would be done according to rules not desires, who actually needs to be killed and who doesn't, the joker for example is a calamity and he will never stop being one, so the only options are either locking him up forever or killing him but letting him live just to appeal to some empty useless morality and call yourself a good person that's not what being a hero is
@@wiswc That same argument can be applied to most Batman villains. Also, if you only start killing people after they have killed a LOT of people, are you truly being a hero? Why not start killing people who could potentially represent a danger to other people before they put their potential into action? I mean, Superman is clearly a potential threat due to his power. And so are most metahumans. Why not kill them all? After all, if you're done away with some empty useless morality, you may as well try to do a clean job and protect humanity from all possible threat. Speaking of which... why not protect humanity from itself? Institute a regime that controls every action that every human take. Take away all freedom, now THAT is the logical way to protect all people. See the problem here? Once you take that one step and stop worrying about morality and only about absolute logical safety, it's a slippery slope that leads straight down to hell, and good intentions are just the lube that makes you slide down faster.
IMO... Batman didn't wanna kill the joker many times since he has moral restraints but most pf the time Batman would often want the joker dead at the hands of Gotham police, hitman or thugs...
Bruce was referring to the public and later on in year one Billy asked people how they felt about the regime one dude was too scared to even give an opinion
Mind-blowing emotionally conversation SUPERMAN IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT "Start with 1 worthless live for million innocent lives" But if I'm Supes, I will just lobotomize Joker 🔥🧠 Eventhough I don't mind kill him if method above isn't working ✌🏻
This is the thin knife edge line superheroes have to be careful of. Once a hero kills one villain it becomes a downward spiral of more deaths as the hero goes from saving people from monsters, to becoming the very monster they fight against. This would also be a very bad problem if Superheroes were real. Imagine someone with powers like Superman having a bad day and something tips them over the edge and they go crazy. It would mean extinction for millions.
I think people look to shallowly into Alfred's line, Superman : you don't have to call me master Alfred: good *let's* remember that I think he saw the path superman was taking, that he was starting to think like he was some type of God with everyone else beneath him, and was kinda seeing what that was gonna lead to, that was not a "you're not my master" what he was saying was "you're nobody's master, don't you forget it" just brilliant writing
2:38-3:47 Eww… that’s not fair. Despite what people say, Batman truly hates the Joker, there’s no love that the Dark Knight has for him. Sure there’s pity for the Madman, but never love. One can argue that for the Joker, but it’s one-sided at best.
I don’t think it’s love in a romantic type way if that’s what you’re thinking. More of us “arch nemesis type thing”. Like maybe Batman enjoyed the thrill of going against the joker. In some twisted way he enjoyed his battles with Joker. I certainly always loved going against the joker in a video game(Arkham) for example because he was such a fun villain
@@andrewgarfield9898 I don't think you understand batman nor his values, he is mourning yes, not because joker died but because he turned Superman like this, Bruce always believed in superman being better in the pair
In what ways does killing a mass murder mean losing humanity. Dont tell me any swat or cop member wouldnt have put a bullet in him after seeing the fucker basically nuke a town
@@rikacomedyletsplays2581 its retarded comic book logic with a tenuous connection if that to anything resembling reality, the real world doesnt work even remotely like comics in either physics obviously or morals which is less obvious
@@KamiSamaisPissed Bruce should understand that Clark is more human then both of them and he screws up sometimes. He was too focused on Superman the icon and not Clark the grieving husband and father
I don't get how they could mess up this beautiful scene of tragedy between our favorite dynamic duo in the film. They removed the part where Batman was unmasked; it plays so well with how personal this conversation got and how terrible it is that Joker destroyed their friendship.
Superman’s failure was expecting too much from batman expecting him to always be on his side feel like that was the chip in his shoulder always driving him nuts
If someone asks me who's side I am talking I would say Constantine's. What he said to yo Batman in the end of year two is exactly what I would say if I were him.
All the people saying Clark just needed a friend: Batman not going with superman was mainly symbolism. But also practically, no, superman will do what superman will do.
from my perspective, the League and the heroes inside it always have been a vigilante. Not a hero. That what Batman does realize. They're not the juries moreover judges. So he's not gonna cross that line. Batman just wanna bring those evil doers to the light. So let people see and react, and do they think is right.
Let's all agree on one thing - killing the joker is completely justified, but whoever is responsible for doing so needs to immediately hang up their cape, or their cowl.
All this could have been avoided if Batman actually sat down and talked to him and was their while he was at his most vulnerable so wonder woman didn’t corrupt him
It was batman's obsession with purity and absolute that drove him to push Superman aside. Even if things are done, it isn't the end, nor does it have to be. Life keeps on going, and Bruce could have stuck with Clark. To at least try and be there for him as a friend, Clark was hateful, with good reason. This story isn't called Injustice because there was a great atrocity, its because in the face of what they stood against, they both failed one another. Because justice is pure, there was no justice. We only live up to it as much as we can, it doesn't revolve around us, as humans we are imperfect. So we revolve around it, its impossible to live up to it 100%, so its just made up all in our heads, we can't forget that and we must remember that our failures to live up to it don't always come as others and its taint does not deem us not worthy because what we follow is ALREADY tainted, its not its purity as a whole. Its an idea of an idea and we cant forget that, which gives even more reason to why Bruce was also wrong. we aren't justice and only choose to follow it. They both chose wrong.
I don’t think people realize how much Batman would lose by killing the Batfamily would leave Gordon would go back to hunting Batman superfriends would get in his way people who know his identity would be tempted to reveal it he would lose it all
Superman doesn't neccesirily ask bruce to kill people but he ask his best friendly ad smartest Man he knows to actually show him an alternative that works. There is a scène In injustice where he also ask to flash if hé have a solution to create true world peace
It was Clark’s fault for his descent. Sure what was taken from his was horrible, but that doesn’t make what he did right either. Superman was a complete dick to Bruce. Superman didn’t take any responsibility for his actions and was deflecting every time Bruce called him on out on his bs. You can really see when Superman becomes an asshole when you don’t see the Clark Kent in him anymore
There was a Batman quote I think goes like "Humanity is *very* lucky Superman has never once seen himself as anything other than human." If Superman weren't humble to a fault like he is the universe would be in deep shit.
Shitty thing is that both parties are right in their perspectives. Bruce in saying that “it always starts with one” and Clark by saying that if Batman had just killed him none of this would happen. Ultimately the Joker wants Batman to kill him but he wins if he does. Proves that Bruce is no better by killing a mentally insane man.
@@StunnaGs oh you talking about the animated series yeah I'ma be real seeing naan and Lois was weird it's just like when they tried pairing Superman and Catwoman it just didn't sit right with me
This is really hard to chose U kill joker u turn into a badguy ( injustice n the batman who laugh ) U also become a murder by letting him live ( dark knight part 2 ) Ether way , none will go well
i feel like clark could've redeemed around this time just with the right person like if wonderwoman hadn't interfered he probably would've talked him down
The annoying this about using the Joker's "repeate escapes" is that it is basically a strawman argument against Batman's morals. There is NO REASON beyond plot armor that the Joker should be able to keep breaking out and wreaking havoc. None.
Also I’m sorry, but if I was Batman after Superman ripped my mask off like that while screaming in my face, I wouldn’t be able to hear his tirade over the sound of my Kevlar Batsuit being audibly filled with my own sh*t.
3:48 is there a comic where Lois died but because the baby was kriptonion it lived. Like if Lois got shot and it hit the baby as well but the baby had super mans powers so it just deflected off him.
All this could've been avoided if the judge would just give joker the capital punishment
Batman can just paralyze joker lol wouldnt be killing him
@@trevor8726 In a world where the universe reset once at year a thing like that would be solved in 24 hours
Irl Batman would just paralize joker near the spine and be done with it forever
@@BT-ob7ve irl he wouldve been killed already or given capital punishment
😂😂😂
"You don't have to call me master." "Good. Let's remember that."
I love Alfred.
One of the best characters in the series!
Imo that was just uncalled for at that point in time
@@solomonozmund6728 Alfred's old enough and wise enough to see where Clark was heading.
@@solomonozmund6728 No, Alfred is wise, he saw what was coming from miles away, he knew Clark would try and rule over after he had began his vengeful purge.
Alfred even curb stomps him later ^_^
This scene made me fell too emotional man this made me feel a sharp pain in my chest my too favorite childhood heros losing their humanity is hard to watch
Welcome to reality
This universe is the ultimate what-if, not everything is always perfect, cuz like superman, we're ill-prepared for something like this
@@gogitosavage9757 As much as this may be true, guys like Joker wouldn't survive in real world. Sooner or later, someone would've kill him. Either family member of some of his victims, or cop wanting to prevent more deaths, that doesn't matter. Even if nothing of above happened, after what he did, he would be sentenced to death. There is no way you can kill hundreds and stay alive. That's just not possible.
To be honest the real people we should blame are the ones letting joker live 🗿
Yeah bruce should kill joker but ain’t bruce the one who’s giving them the chance to kill joker legally?
They keep pleading joker for insanity hence why he is always in Arkham asylum
@@renegade4lifeboii5 pleading for insanity can only go so far
I don't think Bruce should kill joker that would end up kind of same but yes joker should be put off
@@renegade4lifeboii5 Also the insanity plea only works if the person is incapable of telling right from wrong. Joker not only can but does some things specifically because their evil.
@@justaguywithagoodphoto4801 Yeah, I think that when an insane person causes too much loss of life, the plea of insanity is subject to an exception clause that allows the accused to be tried as a criminal.
Superman give him that talk no Jutsu 😂😂😂
Other way around
It's weird because I always thought that Batman was more like Sasuke,and Clark like Naruto.
But that kind of got reversed in injustice eh?
But then again I guess the whole 'Why do we get to choose who dies' line from Bruce does sound like what Naruto would say.
While the 'few deaths to save many more' sounds more like Sasuke,Pain,or Madara
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@@richiefranklin76 more like Kakashi as Bruce and Obito like Clarck, in this universe
@@justaguy5266 that's sum good valid comparisons, with a small similarity under the same circumstances
it's really, kind of touching, to see how they actually care for one another,
and how they end up as enemies
if only Bruce were more open to Clark and accepted to go with him, maybe things could have been more different,
he may be the man of steel, but he also needs helps sometimes in a while
why is everyone blaming batman for supermans mistakes. like yea batman could have been there for him but that doesnt change the fact superman did what he did. batman isnt responsible for supermans actions dude. blaming batman for being BATMAN is no excuse for superman to turn evil
@@leoneyamada5408 batman is wrong. If batman instead of saving joker would kill joker none of this would happen. Over here batman is selfish for not showing support to Clark
@@sumairshirazi so its batmans fault superman turned evil.... i think not. yes batman could have stopped it but that doesnt make supermans actions his fault
@@leoneyamada5408 batman had many opportunities to kill joker but didn't. Batman would prioritise saving joker rather than the city. If batman would console Superman and be there for him emotionally then Superman wouldn't have turned evil. Like only killing joker would have been enough. But batman didn't do it. Plus Superman would have ignored wonder woman as well if batman supported Superman and was there for him
@@sumairshirazi batman doesnt kill tho. jokers entire life goal is to make batman kill him. so if batman kills him then joker wins... THATS HIS ENTIRE CHARACTER... so saying batman should kill him is kinda stupid because it ignores the whole point of why he doesnt... many many many people want to kill him and thats fine, like redhood or gordon that 1 time... but batman will never bring himself to do it and cross that line. if batman kills joker then batman turns into the batman who laughs... YOUR LITERALLY saying batman is in the wrong when if he does what you want he goes evil...
Sometimes I wonder, if Bruce/Batman suffers some form of autism.
He emotionally cuts himself off from others, yet craves emotional attachment even if he doesn't give it. He's super intelligent but lacks an ability to show empathy in most adaptations (the exception being early batman the animated series where he DID show empathy to others). He just seems completely introvert with how he handles things, and always looking for a logical method to solve something, when sometimes something as simple as holding something, showing them a kind gesture, is all you really need to do.
Man superman is spitting some straight facts and I feel like the whole dictator superman saga could've been ended with Clark crying if Batman just straight up gave him a hug there and told him."I didn't love him, I love you and I'm so so sorry" rather than punching him.
Unfortunately, it was too late for hugs and forgiveness. The friendship of their has died, and the drums of a battle have played their accord.
that punch was a bit out of character of Bruce. but then again this whole superman is out of character. That´s just some bullshit so the plot can work out
Or if Batman had killed the Joker supes would’ve been a completely different person
@@andrewcabral963 but that in turn would make Batman a whole different person
@@Ionevenknow871 Killing evil people DOESN'T MAKE YOU EVIL.
Just forgot that you kill and MOVE ON PATIENTLY.
Everything Superman said is facts. I just wish he didn’t become a dictator
He became a dictator because his best friend Bruce abandoned him instead of helping him. Everything would've been different if Bruce helped him figure things out.
"facts"
@@The-Endo-SymArmor agreed
@@amuroray9115 thanks man
He was already going down that road if you noticed
4:08 I love what Superman does here. He turns the argument around, showing that Bruce is just as volatile and prone to emotion as he is.
This conversation is extra sad when you consider that both of them have it backwards.
Batman is dissapointed because the man that showed him Justice doesnt always have to come from the shadows could be capable of murdering people in cold blood (even the likes of Joker) so he desperatedly tries to appeal to "The Superman" completly ignoring the fact that Clark needed a friend to help him.
And Superman keep´s trying to appeal to Bruce Wayne, when we all know that Bruce is just a mask for the real person "The Batman" and as such Clark cant comprehend why bruce is against him, even when he admits that the death of the joker was beneficial for mankind and that he would also impose global peace trought force if he had clark´s powers.
This moment right here is an example of what happens when you put your story in the hands of very talented writers who know their shit and the characters they are working with, BRAVO.
Good comment 10/10
Yea for all the horrible writing in the series mostly to try and fit with Netherrealm's horrible take on Superman moments like these really show the writers at some level got both characters.
Definitely. I especially like how Batman projects his fears onto Clark here, too; when he says that justifying it once is all it takes, it's clear that he's not talking about _Superman_ . You can tell that Batman, above anything else, is terrified of a Batman who kills. ...And for that matter, the whole mask thing. There's a reason that after Superman took it off, Bruce put it back on while they were still talking: Superman didn't rip off Batman's mask, he ripped off Batman's _face_ .
How to prevent injustice:
Superman: *goes to the white house*
"Hey man the Joker escaped again and killed a bunch of people. Batman won't kill him and says I shouldn't either but isn't this thing, ya know, putting criminals to justice, your job?"
President: "What, we can't kill him he's legally insane!"
Superman: "If you keep letting him escape and kill people, you're legally insane. Grow up and give the order"
President: "Hello Gotham police? Yeah could you please kill the Joker?"
Police: "Finally!"
The end
🤣
The best ending
Just send in delta force
And then batman has another plan to prevent the police coming
*bad ending*
@@cristobalalvarez5491 Batman fights better than delta force and joker keeps screwing over batman do delta force would get screwed
Alfredo drops the mic*
The crowd of fans: "THE BALLS ON THIS MAN"
Superman: one death, to save millions.
Batman: it starts with - One thing I don't know why
It doesn't even matter how hard you try
Keep that in mind, I designed this rhyme
To explain in due time
All I know
Time is a valuable thing
Watch it fly by as the pendulum swings
Watch it count down to the end of the day
The clock ticks life away
When Batman said "I can't, Clark"
That's when Superman became Heisenberg
"I miss the people we were then."
-Batman to Superman, Injustice 2.
Superman : Proceed to punch batman really hard
Idk why Bruce cared so much about a serial killer. Went even far blaming Kent for a murder, “You killed a man, Clark!”
My ass.
that's litterally what he did
The thing to remember is that Bruce is *every bit* as pathologically damaged as his rogues; his psychosis is bent toward stopping crime and saving lives, though. Even if it means saving the life of a mass-murderer, because any death that Bruce was even *potentially* capable of preventing is absolute anathema to him
@@typeouetco1626 he killed a psychopath that killed millions, I’d kill the Joker if I was Superman with no regrets.
@@thecrownprince888 and incidentally, a man
The pain of losing a family is so damn big and i can imagine how much superman suffers losing his family
Losing his reason to always be a good person
Me: you could also just only kill the villians that have not reformed after countless attempts and are unlikely able to be saved, while just jailing the rest as they can be saved?
Batman and Superman: NO! We either kill no one, or everyone!
Superman only killed bad people and traitors
@@NaViAgain-ts9lj Remember Billy?
"Traitor" is a very loose term here.
@@NaViAgain-ts9lj Of course, Superman was the one that got to decide who was bad and who was a traitor. And before long, he was quickly deeming the whole world bad and traitorous.
@@jefthereaper it was in the injustice game. The comics was better.
@@NaViAgain-ts9lj Did not finish reading all the comics from this.
But it was mostly still just black and white.
If supes only executed all the impossible cases, while still jailing and reforming others, while not going full dictator, then he would have had a point.
It’s amazing how a comic can project real life enotion
This scene is great. The conversation flows naturally and the back and forths between them (followed by respect) are really well done
Superman is right though. He didn't console Superman after Lois' death or after killing Joker, he just saw him as a murderer instead of actually trying to help him after he suffered an unfathomable loss. Batman isn't a good friend
Why are there comments here saying if Bruce was actually there for Clark, it would have been different? You literally had Wonder Woman up Clark’s ass this entire time feeding him bs even when Bruce kept telling Clark not to go down that path. WW was a MAJOR factor
Absolutely but Bruce is Clark’s best friend and he could’ve been his moral compass in the situation and stop wonder woman from putting the thoughts in his head.
But he couldn’t swallow his pride to help his best friend.
I don’t get it either. Bruce is telling people constantly that this is wrong, telling Clark that he needs to stop, that he’s scaring and hurting people. Not sure how that’s not appealing to his justice and kindness.
Dang, that last comment from Alfred. What a legend.
This scenario has already happened in alternative dimension called “KINGDOM COME”.
In that universe, instead of becoming a dictator after the Joker poisoned the Daily Planet, Superman just secluded himself in his fortress; and what did Batman to maintain order? Nothing. He also hid in his batcave; I feel like, Batman is just following what Clark does...
Oof that bit with alfred damn stared sups down like a boss
This is just ONE of the moment that explains why injustice is a masterpiece. JUST ONE
Am I the only one thinking Superman was 100% in the right here? There are things more important than your morals out there, even if it means you have to do it more than once. This is like comparing someone who has a drink once in a while to an alcoholic.
Batman: "Stop what you're doing, you're scaring them"
Also Batman: *literally uses fear as a tool*
He meant the ppl of earth but Superman lashed out so quickly
Injustice Superman fans be like "Some people are beyond redemption" but also be like "Batman should have consoled Superman" bro pick a struggle
To be clear, at least at the beggining, superman was completely correct. Both in real life and in comics. One death to save millions? Thats a no-brainer.
Factor in its not like it's one innocent death either
True. But it doesn't stay like it does in the beginning, which was what Batman feared.
It's not a no brainier for me. It's a life.... Not just some insect. It's still a life, whether it's one or two doesn't matter
@@ugospotty678 Incorrect. The no-brainer about the situation is either one person MUST die or 1 million people WILL die. You're right, it's a life, and there's that same feeling times a MILLION on the other side. I understand what you're trying to say but it just falls flat with logic.
Ray P no it's still a life
This gives me a whole new look on the injustice storyline
“Bruce. It’s been five years. You still owe me $16.”
“Fuck off”
bruce summed it up so well in under the red hood, "if i allow myself to go down that hole, i can never come back out" those words are literally the injustice universe
What Batman was trying to teach Superman is it's the people who choose to do evil that should be scared of the consequences of their actions not to put the innocent or confused or those who have strayed from doing what's right in a permanent state of fear.
Yes Batman has scared innocent people but he truly doesn't mean to and he doesn't want to and he more than understands where Clark is coming from but he's trying to remind him that it really doesn't take much to go too far.
I’m sorry, but I’m 100% on Superman’s side here.
One death to save literal millions. Batman seems more broken up that he lost his favorite playmate. Cos Bruce needs something to fight. In his broken psyche mind, he needs a bad guy to fight to dedicate his rage and anger towards. If it was about justice, he would have put the joker down years ago to save innocent lives.
Im just saying. Im kinda okay with Superman’s regime at the start.
That’s what I’ve been saying, fam. Batman should have let the Joker die a long time ago.
You cant choose only the parts what you like, its the whole package.
bruh batman has so many villains so why would he only need the joker to fight
I mean idk I think the justice system for Gotham should have been imposed the death penalty. I mean when Superman killed joker he later on did a lot of horrible shit, and when Batman killed joker he became the Batman who laughs. Either way it was a lose lose situation.
Batman's problem is that he is absolutely, mentally incapable of killing, even when it is 100% justified and demanded and *necessary.* You don't get to be a vigilante with villains like the Joker and be unwilling to kill when they rack up the bodycounts they do.
Superman's problem is that the "one life to save millions" should have stopped there. It didn't. And that's the whole problem - and *exactly* what Batman was afraid of. Regime Superman is the absolute living proof of why Batman does not kill; because *that* is what he is afraid he would turn into.
*Superman may have laser heat vision, but Alfred delivered the burn!*
I dont care if its not canon, this was x10000 better than 99% of recent DC Comics.
bruh the takeaway from this debate between bruce and clark is that neither won the fight....
Alfred did 😉
If just Bruce was there for Clark...injustice would end differently and WW would not made supes mind into being a dictator.
As much as Supes was right, i understood where Bats was coming from. The problem with killing is that people tend to cross the line and do it when it is not even necessary. I'm not saying that Joker shouldn't be killed but Supes didn't draw the line on when and how to kill (when he became a tyrant)
Yeah but that was down the line after Superman had been corrupted by wonder woman
@@retronerds6884 true. Completely true. Thanks to Batman's betrayal and wonder woman's corruption, Supes turned into a murdering psychopath that could not be reasoned with.
@@linnoel3095 to be honest not one of superman's so called friends where they're when actually needed him batman turned his back on him proceeded to help the government kidnap his parents and continued to antagonize him, flash wasn't there, neither was hal, Barry, Jon, Arthur, victor, you can make a case for billy, Conner showed up berated him told him he was wrong for killing joker and tried to trap him in the phantom zone, wonder woman is actually the one who there for him and we see how that turned out
The title is wrong.
Batman doesn’t have any friends.
He never did.
I really want this comic I only watched it on UA-cam
And can you tell me the theme you use of this video please cause I enjoying it more 🙂
Bottom of the description.
@@wa6280 ok thanks for pointing it out to me
@@exyoutubexl2805 no problem 😊
I have to say if I was Bruce when Superman offered for me to come I would have said “okay but remember Clark joker was the only death needed so no killing and if you get angry take a minute to calm”
Superman and batman look like the same guy just wearing a different costume
Love how superman still cares to check Bruce hand like "yea you're the worst but show me your hand"
The "Bruce killed thousands by not killing the Joker" is an immensely faulty argument. While it may be technically true, it's also the start of an incredibly steep road that descends into evil. After killing Joker, why not kill Szaz as well? Then Professor Pyg, the Riddler, Bane, Penguin... then all the murderers. Then all the potential murderers. Then all the ones you don't like personally.
Which is what Superman actually did.
Bruce was perfectly right in his assumption that killing the Joker wasn't up to him, or any other superhero. If anything, it was up to the official authorities. Because let's be frank, if Joker had gotten the death penalty for a crime he did commit, I doubt Batman would have saved him... if anything, he would have cracked up the pop-corn and sit back while watching the execution happen, probably even filming the whole thing so that he would be able to rewatch it every day.
people tend to forget how the batman who laughs happened lol
The officials in these universes are super corrupt and incompetent to the point where the super villians escape all the time.
With a killer like joker you would think that government would have give him the death penalty along with all the worst villains to but nah really it’s the governments fault in here to
Your argument is the faulty one, killing in this case would be done according to rules not desires, who actually needs to be killed and who doesn't, the joker for example is a calamity and he will never stop being one, so the only options are either locking him up forever or killing him but letting him live just to appeal to some empty useless morality and call yourself a good person that's not what being a hero is
@@wiswc That same argument can be applied to most Batman villains. Also, if you only start killing people after they have killed a LOT of people, are you truly being a hero? Why not start killing people who could potentially represent a danger to other people before they put their potential into action? I mean, Superman is clearly a potential threat due to his power. And so are most metahumans. Why not kill them all? After all, if you're done away with some empty useless morality, you may as well try to do a clean job and protect humanity from all possible threat. Speaking of which... why not protect humanity from itself? Institute a regime that controls every action that every human take. Take away all freedom, now THAT is the logical way to protect all people.
See the problem here? Once you take that one step and stop worrying about morality and only about absolute logical safety, it's a slippery slope that leads straight down to hell, and good intentions are just the lube that makes you slide down faster.
IMO... Batman didn't wanna kill the joker many times since he has moral restraints but most pf the time Batman would often want the joker dead at the hands of Gotham police, hitman or thugs...
"you are scaring them".... says the guy that deresses like a bat to infict fear on people....
but he only uses it to scare criminals not just anyone.
Bruce was referring to the public and later on in year one Billy asked people how they felt about the regime one dude was too scared to even give an opinion
3:35 - 3:40 giving major Red Hood vibes. 🔥
Alfred being the old gigachad as always
Bruce never gave Superman his 16 dollars
It's TRUE tho Bruce is more upset in jokers death than pregnant lois and millions of people's death
Alfred: good. Let's remember that. Otherwise I will do exactly as the butler does, and tidy up!😡
Only Oliver has the correct level of balls and humanity to kill one and stop.
Mind-blowing emotionally conversation
SUPERMAN IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT
"Start with 1 worthless live for million innocent lives"
But if I'm Supes, I will just lobotomize Joker 🔥🧠
Eventhough I don't mind kill him if method above isn't working ✌🏻
Yessss! Fuckin love this series
Good news injustice is getting an animated movie!
@@elijahbaker781 ohhhh shittttt!!😂😂when? I’m binging it for sure
@@chaosflame7278 I think next year.
@@elijahbaker781 and Zack Snyder's Justice League have an alternative injustice future.
@@kartikadewi3270 yeah I know I can’t wait to see where that goes.
alfred said good let’s remember that and later in the comics proceeds to whip super mans ass when he got his powers taken away a bit
This is the thin knife edge line superheroes have to be careful of. Once a hero kills one villain it becomes a downward spiral of more deaths as the hero goes from saving people from monsters, to becoming the very monster they fight against.
This would also be a very bad problem if Superheroes were real. Imagine someone with powers like Superman having a bad day and something tips them over the edge and they go crazy. It would mean extinction for millions.
Alfred is respectfully savage
I think people look to shallowly into Alfred's line, Superman : you don't have to call me master Alfred: good *let's* remember that I think he saw the path superman was taking, that he was starting to think like he was some type of God with everyone else beneath him, and was kinda seeing what that was gonna lead to, that was not a "you're not my master" what he was saying was "you're nobody's master, don't you forget it" just brilliant writing
"Trouble in the Pacific Ocean. It's Atlantis."
Wait--what??
*2nd crime joker commits*
*bat man catches him and throws him in jail*
*judge sentences him to death*
*DC injustice time line deleted*
A battle between two ideals
2:38-3:47 Eww… that’s not fair. Despite what people say, Batman truly hates the Joker, there’s no love that the Dark Knight has for him. Sure there’s pity for the Madman, but never love. One can argue that for the Joker, but it’s one-sided at best.
I don’t think it’s love in a romantic type way if that’s what you’re thinking. More of us “arch nemesis type thing”. Like maybe Batman enjoyed the thrill of going against the joker. In some twisted way he enjoyed his battles with Joker. I certainly always loved going against the joker in a video game(Arkham) for example because he was such a fun villain
@@andrewgarfield9898 I don't think you understand batman nor his values, he is mourning yes, not because joker died but because he turned Superman like this, Bruce always believed in superman being better in the pair
In what ways does killing a mass murder mean losing humanity. Dont tell me any swat or cop member wouldnt have put a bullet in him after seeing the fucker basically nuke a town
@@rikacomedyletsplays2581 its retarded comic book logic with a tenuous connection if that to anything resembling reality, the real world doesnt work even remotely like comics in either physics obviously or morals which is less obvious
@@KamiSamaisPissed Bruce should understand that Clark is more human then both of them and he screws up sometimes. He was too focused on Superman the icon and not Clark the grieving husband and father
Could've, should've, would've.
If I had to sum up this comic in three words, that'd be it.
I don't get how they could mess up this beautiful scene of tragedy between our favorite dynamic duo in the film. They removed the part where Batman was unmasked; it plays so well with how personal this conversation got and how terrible it is that Joker destroyed their friendship.
3:20 - 4:20 aye Superman was kinda spittin facts tho no lie
Superman’s failure was expecting too much from batman expecting him to always be on his side feel like that was the chip in his shoulder always driving him nuts
If someone asks me who's side I am talking I would say Constantine's. What he said to yo Batman in the end of year two is exactly what I would say if I were him.
4:38 this scene is pure gold even with the context it have
4:28 I’m sorry that was just pathetic 😭💀💀💀
All the people saying Clark just needed a friend: Batman not going with superman was mainly symbolism. But also practically, no, superman will do what superman will do.
from my perspective, the League and the heroes inside it always have been a vigilante. Not a hero. That what Batman does realize. They're not the juries moreover judges. So he's not gonna cross that line. Batman just wanna bring those evil doers to the light. So let people see and react, and do they think is right.
He's a good friend
Alfred had definitely the most badass line in this entire exchange.
Gotta love Alfred.
And eventually, Batman was right. Superman began killing more than just one.
Bruce even tired warned supes about joker plan of fear toxin but wonder woman ruined the communication
Let's all agree on one thing - killing the joker is completely justified, but whoever is responsible for doing so needs to immediately hang up their cape, or their cowl.
to beat superman i would use my ultimate weapon , Lazarus pit , brought Alfred back , could have brought Lois .
The fact Alfred still called him master when Clark came to threaten him after Alfred punched him wit the pill 😔
"You'll scare them" HAAAAAA!!!!!!!...
Coming from Batman, that's rich
All this could have been avoided if Batman actually sat down and talked to him and was their while he was at his most vulnerable so wonder woman didn’t corrupt him
supes was already gone by some points
"All this could have been avoided is a character actually sat down and talked to another" can sum up a lot of events in Injustice.
@@BKsunstar yeah I think the best point for a redemption was at the aqua man part where Arthur was willing to give him advice
It was batman's obsession with purity and absolute that drove him to push Superman aside. Even if things are done, it isn't the end, nor does it have to be. Life keeps on going, and Bruce could have stuck with Clark. To at least try and be there for him as a friend, Clark was hateful, with good reason. This story isn't called Injustice because there was a great atrocity, its because in the face of what they stood against, they both failed one another. Because justice is pure, there was no justice. We only live up to it as much as we can, it doesn't revolve around us, as humans we are imperfect. So we revolve around it, its impossible to live up to it 100%, so its just made up all in our heads, we can't forget that and we must remember that our failures to live up to it don't always come as others and its taint does not deem us not worthy because what we follow is ALREADY tainted, its not its purity as a whole. Its an idea of an idea and we cant forget that, which gives even more reason to why Bruce was also wrong. we aren't justice and only choose to follow it. They both chose wrong.
I don’t think people realize how much Batman would lose by killing the Batfamily would leave Gordon would go back to hunting Batman superfriends would get in his way people who know his identity would be tempted to reveal it he would lose it all
Superman doesn't neccesirily ask bruce to kill people but he ask his best friendly ad smartest Man he knows to actually show him an alternative that works.
There is a scène In injustice where he also ask to flash if hé have a solution to create true world peace
The lack of punctuation here really makes this hard to read.
It was Clark’s fault for his descent. Sure what was taken from his was horrible, but that doesn’t make what he did right either. Superman was a complete dick to Bruce. Superman didn’t take any responsibility for his actions and was deflecting every time Bruce called him on out on his bs. You can really see when Superman becomes an asshole when you don’t see the Clark Kent in him anymore
There was a Batman quote I think goes like "Humanity is *very* lucky Superman has never once seen himself as anything other than human." If Superman weren't humble to a fault like he is the universe would be in deep shit.
Alfred has the same vibe as uncle iroh
Isnt the Batman who laughs why he cant kill Joker, because hed just turn into a more evil and powerful version of Joker
Nah... that's just him poisoned by the joker.
He doesn't know about the poison so who cares
Shitty thing is that both parties are right in their perspectives. Bruce in saying that “it always starts with one” and Clark by saying that if Batman had just killed him none of this would happen. Ultimately the Joker wants Batman to kill him but he wins if he does. Proves that Bruce is no better by killing a mentally insane man.
i am sorry babu
They should both become rappers and throw disses at each other, the way they did in here...
Shit Superman fucked up batman I can't even lie 🤣😭
@@retronerds6884 just like Bruce did to Lois...
@@StunnaGs nah you mean like how Bruce did metropolis
@@retronerds6884 yes sir, straight up came on that private plane,asked her on the date,and the rest was a wrap. The guy is literally Romeo In disguise
@@StunnaGs oh you talking about the animated series yeah I'ma be real seeing naan and Lois was weird it's just like when they tried pairing Superman and Catwoman it just didn't sit right with me
I have gotten away from comics and this tid bit made me feel like reading some more good ones!!!
This is really hard to chose
U kill joker u turn into a badguy ( injustice n the batman who laugh )
U also become a murder by letting him live ( dark knight part 2 )
Ether way , none will go well
As much as I love the rhetoric of Batman here sometimes people stay at just one murder for all their life. Just saying.
i feel like clark could've redeemed around this time just with the right person like if wonderwoman hadn't interfered he probably would've talked him down
Alfred using the pill and beating the shit outta this version of Superman is always my favorite part of this comic.
The annoying this about using the Joker's "repeate escapes" is that it is basically a strawman argument against Batman's morals. There is NO REASON beyond plot armor that the Joker should be able to keep breaking out and wreaking havoc. None.
Also I’m sorry, but if I was Batman after Superman ripped my mask off like that while screaming in my face, I wouldn’t be able to hear his tirade over the sound of my Kevlar Batsuit being audibly filled with my own sh*t.
Batman could learn a thing or two from the Punisher.
3:48 is there a comic where Lois died but because the baby was kriptonion it lived.
Like if Lois got shot and it hit the baby as well but the baby had super mans powers so it just deflected off him.
I hate the fact that they were both in the wrong