i wanna watch this but i’m going on a 12 hour flight to korea next week and i know i would be imagining myself getting sucked out the plane so i am here to say love you support you will be returning in 7-10 business days
important to note that the reason why the pilots weren't told about MCAS was to save money. Specifically when Airbus updated their competing plane, it was done in such a way that no retraining would be needed to fly it. Recertification on a new model is very time consuming and expensive, requiring pilots to be temporarily grounded. So the bar for Boeing was set there, to update the 737 without requiring retraining. But they couldn't get it to fly the same without MCAS, and they were afraid that the added system would induce a need for recertifying the pilots. So they just didn't tell them about it.
Same reason it only used one sensor. If they made it use both sensors the FAA would ask: seems like this system is important enough to need two sensors so why didn't you tell the pilots about this important system?
I'm reminded of that scene from Chernobyl where the guy was saying how the Soviet Union did all of these unsafe things with their nuclear reactors and when asked why he said "because it's cheaper."
Langewiesche being like "sure, there were so many factors against those pilots outside their control, including crucial failings on the part of Boeing, but pilots in the old days were built different darn it"
Before my grandfather retired from Boeing (even before mcdonall Douglas acquisition) he complained that "a handshake doesn't mean anything anymore" The corporate culture was changing even before the merger.
I used to know a "plain spotter" that used to work at an airport during the 90's. Apparently they have a term called "Deathonomics" where they know of every fault and shortcoming of the aircraft but because of cost they ignore them unless people start dying. I'v seen this sort of thing on the railways when I worked on them (uk). It's maddening because everyone thinks you're some sort of conspiracy theorist if you tell them.
Also observable through Mc Donald's willingness to serve coffee at completely dangerous temperatures because the risk of resultant lawsuits would be less expensive than tossing out coffee that's gone bad.
I took 1 entry level economics class in college. Within the first 2 weeks, they were teaching us how to calculate when fixing a product saves more money than the wrongful death lawsuits that would be caused by ignoring it.
Reminds me also of when my mother would rather return a library book late & pay the fine, because on the day that the book was due & which we'd originally planned to return it, we had a change of plans & was no longer had any reason to go out of our house (other than to return the book on time), & my mother calculated that the cost of petrol/gas to drive that day just to go to the library to return the book on time outweighed the fine
Yes thank you. The system isn't broken, capitalism is working just as intended. It is SO frustrating to hear rhetoric essentially saying "we need better capitalists" when what we need is to pivot away from capital-based decision making entirely. Also, your points about deskilling are so relevant. I have noticed a significant downturn in the competence of all professions I encounter as a consumer. There is a lack of basic training in almost all fields leading to lapses in competence in some of the basic areas of customer service. It reminds me of a King of the Hill episode where the power goes out while Hank is attempting to make a purchase at the store. The clerk claims that without power he cannot calculate the sale tax or even lock the front door, which Hank thinks is ridiculous. Reliance on automation is convenient, but also dangerous if we abandon the skills they replace.
If one is a musician, one knows they have "made it" when they get parodied by Weird Al. If one's company ends up as the centrepiece of a John Oliver segment, that company is already dead.
Astonishing they just bold faced unalived that whistleblower and no one is in jail. Some people are just above the law I guess so long as they have enough money. To face the music, America is a banana republic, but instead of bananas we have planes and bad software.
When you've sucked foreign wells dry, and now have to turn to gnawing off your own arm. It's the same tactics as always, now just aimed at and visible to the people who previously benefitted (even indirectly). Who woulda thunk it, infinite growth is not actually sustainable!
No, it's been a plutocracy with a side of kleptocracy at this stage of capitalism. The moment when the "Democracy" part ended in the US is when money entered politics and/or bribery became legal(Via Citizens United). No one in Congress has any reason to work for the working class, as they all serve their donors/lobbyists, but they sure do work to maintain the illusion that they "care".
I deeply appreciate that you dont edit out when you moentarily forget words or phrases. I have found joy shouting the words youre looking for at my phone
I have an uncle who is an engineer for delta and durring covid in 2019-2021 (i think), he was the last person of a 20 person project who hadnt been let go and he had to single handedly take on the entire freakin work load and meet the same deadlines. He was working over a hundred hours a week trying to get everything done. Thats a singel case that im personally aware of, its not surprising at all that stuff has gone wrong. Nothing against the people trying to work because they are doing their best. Oh my lord tho, what is wrong with the higher-ups not caring about quality or idk, things just being done correctly or double checked???
@@michaelangeloabarreto4588yeah dude. One of the reasons so many villains in that show wore those monster costumes was because there was a recession going on in the show.
Some people think you can design a game that prioritizes victory above all else by giving people who win substantial extra advantage in subsequent rounds, incentivises cheating extensively by letting everyone who ever manages it _keep_ the advantage into future rounds, and then act surprised when everyone just cheats all the time instead of actually playing the game. Still not sure why.
You're assuming there aren't always cheaters willing to do whatever it takes in their own self interest. At least the current game sometimes aligns that with a common good. I don't think its a choice that advantage cascades, thats just how it works. How would it even be possible to remove "excess" advantage without coercion/violence? A lot of it is intangible like specific education/knowledge/relationships. Concentrations of power doesn't seem to be a uniquely capitalist problem, what we have is just adapted to capitalism.
@@polyhedron4258 Of course there are always going to be cheaters. The problem isn't the existence of cheaters, it's the fact that we _reward them for trying._ If they were punished for it, they wouldn't be the only successful people. And yeah, cascade advantage isn't _uniquely_ a feature of capitalism, but it _is_ the trait capitalism tries to optimize for. The whole premise is giving successful people more resources so they can be more successful. It _is_ a choice, and we _could_ decide to do things other ways which don't _exclusively prioritize_ arbitrary success.
@@connerblank5069 I think everyone probably agrees with punishing cheaters, we'll just never be able to do it 100% or have the intended effect of stopping cheating. They just cheat in another way. (I'm reminded of modern pvp multiplayer, ugh) Also on a logistics level, if you paint the cheater brush too wide, you get false positives. Get enough of those combined with harsher consequences and less want to risk playing at a high level. I feel like we already (should) have the mechanism to force organizations to prioritize things outside of arbitrary success through regulation, no? Just seems like the problem is corporations are linked too closely to the courts. Optimizing for success is probably arbitrary, but what other metric could you optimize for that wouldn't also result in some other problem? Seems like tradeoffs. You can only optimize equity for so long until the opportunity cost means the super unequal/cheater-infested places of the world have a higher standard of living or more wealth in total to bully everyone else with.
@@connerblank5069 Ideally, thats what the court of law is supposed to do. Problem is with enough $$ or power they can just lobby/delay/bully/settle/pay fines, without actually addressing their behaviours. We need jail time, not fines. On broad level, regulation is supposed to align organizations along other concerns, but I feel like every other kind of specific trait alignment would cause its own problems too. There is an opportunity cost in not pursuing advantage, you will be out competed eventually by someone who does.
4:50 can we talk about the vertical video cropped for widescreen cropped back to vertical all inside a widescreen container that I myself am watching with my phone vertical
Poor Barnet. Dude had the same possible fate as Eugene Malove, Jonathon Kanzius, Will Colby, Gary Kildal, Donny Mackay, Stan Meyer, NickTesla, Hilda Murrel, Franklin Olson, and Dave Kelly.
had the unfortunate experience of flying boeing 2 weeks ago. it was my first flight in 4 years and my brother's first time ever on a plane and i genuinely expected us to go down or lose part of the plane at any moment. i wish the airline industry had more competition cause having only two major airplane makers in america while we have so many car options is scary
@@lyq232 They are but they do have manufacturing plants in the USA, however they are pretty recent, though they have obviously been providing planes since forever for the USA.
I find the argument of the "let's just hope for a better capitalist to take over" to be especially infuriating when talking to liberals and conservatives about these types of issues. Never mind the fact that capitalism's internal logic will always pre-select leaders to be those that have already demonstrated through their careers that they are competent in the system of profit, because this is only a piece of the argument. The real core is this "well let's just hope for a better boss/CEO/manager, etc.," and that is what peasants used to say about kings and queens that were particularly tyrannical. Why do we need to "hope" that the "next one" will be better? Why is there such an inherent safety in having someone else we can't control as a population, be responsible for things that material affect the lives of millions, if not billions of people. The origin of democracy was specifically so we didn't have to "hope for a better leader next time", and people today are totally comfortable using the logic of kings to justify private business leaders and it just leaves me absolutely baffled every time I hear it.
That "door" wasnt a door. It was a door plug, a more or less permanent addition that plugs up the hole cut out for a door specifically because you dont want a door there.
@@SemekiIzuioyou're probably right about that. Auto companies also flout environmental regs by just producing vehicles in larger weight classes. Personally, I think safety regs aren't stringent enough, and personal vehicles should be limited to 1.5L manual transmission engines. (with dimmer headlights 😊)
There have been many comments on videos about Boeing which come from former employees expressing how the issue is with management. Thank you for bringing this to a larger audience.
individual actions will not go far, but there is an international revolutionary communist party being built. uniting workers internationally is exactly what capitalists are afraid of. uniting our struggle means we can see socialism in our lifetime.
More practically, focus on the local/state level. You are 1/333,000,000 of the American public. Not going to make much of a difference there. On average, you are 1/6,700,000 of your state's population. It's hard to find a good number for city size like that, but it's probably less than 50,000. My advice is to get involved in local politics. You and a few friends can make a big difference at that level. Attend planning meeting and try to shout down the NIMBYs, pressure your mayor/city council/whatever into managing police better or improving public transit or school/library funding etc. Maybe your state reps need to hear from several thousand people about improving state safety regulations.
one thing to remember is that, without MCAS, the plane works. the problem is that if you fly it like previous 737s you're gonna stall like Elliot says. the more expensive and safer solution to this problem is to make a new manual and training program for 737 MAX' new handling characteristics
I'm close with an engineer, and yeah, capitalism is affecting product development in many fields.🤐 The weirdest thing is how everyone is talking about innovation and saving money, but also hinder innovation and make the company lose money unnecessarily.
To provide a quick and rudimentary explanation of what the MCAS is for - As planes have evolved, newer, more efficient engines were made. But these better engines are bigger than the old ones. It wasn't a problem for the Airbus A320 because they have tall landing gear. But the Boeing 737 has short landing gear, and as such, not enough space under the wings to fit a huge engine. As such, the engine was moved further forward on the wing for the MAX series, causing it to handle differently than the older 737 models. The MCAS was supposed to make corrections to have the plane handle like the older ones, without needing to retrain pilots for the new way it handles. But of course, then the issues come up with how Boeing figured pilots don't need to know about this new system that's going to try correcting their inputs.
This is a good video EXCEPT for the run of "Boeing failures" around the 5 minute mark. I'm an airline pilot for context. These sorts of things happen constantly! Airplanes are huge, complicated machines running 24/7 in harsh conditions. Things are gonna break. What is worthwhile is noting that through all of these, nobody died and very few were injured. Also, many of these are more attributable to airline maintenance practices and aircraft age than Boeing. Especially the Atlas 747. That airframe was 27 years old! And it has 4 engines! And is a cargo aircraft! As usual with these videos, the intention is spot on and I agree with many of the takeaways, but also please please please talk to a subject matter expert before throwing claims together like that.
@@biharcourt because the whistleblower was pointing out issues at the manufacturing level. Both aircraft maintenance and manufacturing quality contribute to how well something works, and both levels deserve to be held accountable. Manufacturing errors are also usually far more deadly, when manufacturing is done right, shitty maintenance doesn't usually kill people because the manufacturing anticipated some of these things that commonly break to break in the future. For instance, your car's breaks start to wear out, but the manufacturer made sure your breaks were working just fine and are serviceable, as well as anticipated you waiting until last minute to get your breaks checked so they build in warning lights and safety precautions. Compare that to if your breaks just flat out stop working on you while you're on the highway because the manufacturer chose to use less quality materials that are prone to giving out. The later is less common, but a far bigger issue when it does happen, because now it's not just an individual issue that could've been prevented if the driver was a better car owner, now it's potentially all cars on the road that are liable to just stop working in a key area that will kill people if not properly fixed. That will get the company into major trouble and cost them a lot, so they'd rather just off the person who's whistle blowing.
@@donnngles in this system, the *only* thing that saves us is regulation. You can't trust corporations to do the right thing any further than what secures their profit, and even that depends on what they think they can get away with. But of course, it's a losing battle to try and patch holes as the little guy or the slow/hamstrung government, when you're working against a swarm of hungry, violent assholes doing their best to undo your work as you go. Even just the burden of actually caring and taking peoples' opinions into account (as you should) makes the task pretty daunting.
capitalism really is the reason. in intro level business classes they literally emphasize cost and profit, the lower the cost the higher the profit. regulations based on good ethics? they mean nth with loopholes. it happens with our food, cosmetics, clothing, literally everything. everyone should take at least one intro to business class and a public health class as well. it’ll all click!!
I'd take a class, but I worry I'd gag every time. I took a labour studies course about workers rights and the first thing they said was "this is the class that tells you what actually happens to people when business teaches you how to become 'successful'"
@@angelinatran4930 this is understandable, i get so annoyed with the material i read. being informed can be very frustrating but i can’t not be at the same time! being triggered while tryna learn just sucks 😭😭😭
This is not true at all. You've clearly never taken an economics course. Price is determined by supply and demand. Entrepreneurs maximize profit by selling goods at the equilibrium price. If companies are selling crappy products, it's because people are willing to buy them.
@@conrogers6409 let's assume that price is determined by supply and demand (which is an oversimplification). But what you are looking for is not price, it's profit. Which is the difference between price and cost. Most economics classes ignore the reality of things requiring resources to make entirely. Because if they did not ignore that reality, instead of a simple graph with two lines intersecting, and a simple point of "intersection=good" you get additional bottom line that is cost of production and what you need to find is not an intersection, but a maximum of "(price - cost) * demand". Going further into reality, there is cost of storage, cost of shipping, cost of marketing, product quality, availability and choice. Companies are selling crappy products because you don't need to make a good product, you need to make a best product available. And that's not even stepping into market of luxury goods, where the product itself doesn't matter and it's price is determined by brand.
I'm a student pilot. Wrote a paper about MCAS a few years ago. While I agree that Boeing is severely lacking in competence, I just have to say these technical descriptions are something 😂
I need to keep this video ready to send to people about how capitalism ruins stuff. Every time I try to explain it, from games, food, to airplanes, people JUST DON'T GET IT ahhhhhh
So I work in aviation and funnily enough I’m going on a 3 leg trip all on Boeings right now. It really is all about money and it’s sad. All of these companies have made major profits off of the post-Covid travel boom and all they wanna do it cut corners for an extra dime. They betray the customers’ trust for sure, but also the employees that work for them, which is even more egregious imo.
That's an incredibly inaccurate description of the Max issue. The plane didn't stall more than normal, it just handled differently to earlier 737s. The MCAS was programmed to "compensate" for those differences so that the pilots would not have to undergo expensive retraining, which would have made airlines more hesitant to purchase the Max.
I'm glad to see that audio issues are just a factor with little glasses guys. (I am also a little dark-haired and eyed glasses guy and microphones seem to despise me on a personal level. Never let me touch your mic. It WILL die.)
You gotta learn to make things into win-win situations. If the wing snaps sending your plane into a down spiral, well that's pretty intense and interesting, and if not, you survive.
I love stopping the data brokers by giving all my info to a company on a youtube ad which we know are definitely trustworthy. You know it's good because everyone on youtube has personally used it and says it's good.
The reason there was no training about MCAS afaik was because MCAS was specifically to *avoid* having to retrain pilots to the behaviour of the new planes, to decrease the turnaround times from designing the plane to actually being able to fly them in the wild. They didn't want the little part of retraining pilots to stand in the way of them getting their cash sooner. Checked it to refresh my memory, and yeah: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maneuvering_Characteristics_Augmentation_System "MCAS was intended to mimic the flight behavior of the previous Boeing 737 Next Generation. The company indicated that this change eliminated the need for pilots to have simulator training on the new aircraft."
@lindmorn5909 I'm not sure if it sounded like it, but I'm not disagreeing with the video at all. Adding info on how this was pre-meditated and directly profit-motivated, is all.
When you said Boeing's "incompetence" you said it in a way where I'm assuming you meant to imply something else but don't want to get sued for defamation or whatever. So I'll say it: Boeing leadership was not incompetent in the sense of "they don't know what they are doing" or "they didn't mean for their business practices to have these outcomes". They intentionally, and with full knowledge of the real down line impacts on the product quality, cut qaqc budgets, employee volume, and employee training in order to maximize the money going to their own pockets. In doing so, Boeing leadership is not a rogue entity acting outside the parameters of the system's intended function. This is exactly what the system is designed to do. They say the invisible hand of market is the only valid regulation, consumers can simply choose not to fly on Boeing they'll say, and those who die are meaningless, irrelevant. We, the consumers in the capitalist system, are not human beings with value outside of our consumption power. As soon as we have died, we have no further value to them. They'll fire an exec and increase metric requirements on mid level managers and increase the pressure on the lowest paid employees. They'll donate some money to a charity (it's tax deductible, although doubtful they pay any taxes). They probably won't even increase any qaqc budgets. In fact, they'll probably cut them even more somehow.
"What's the conclusion then? What's the call to action?" These are the questions that conservatives do not ask enough about any issue, especially the extreme right. It's like they are happy in knowing that many people are doing poorly/suffering, that some people are meant to have all the power and should be able to abuse others as they please. I remember Jordan Peterson's talk on how some people's IQ are too low and that these people can't be given proper jobs in society. Ok, what are we supposed to do about that? Surely, you are implying that we should take ethical measures to help these people, right?
At this point I wish they would install seatbelts in the toilets, too, so I only get dunked in piss instead of piss soak+concussion from getting smashed into the ceiling 😭
Here’s what I don’t understand. Wouldn’t all this negative publicity, flight delays, equipment failures & death hurt Boeing in the long run? What’s the endgame?
Customers are plebs. Why would boeing care if you died? They already pocketed their cash. And customers will keep purchasing plane tickets. The consumer is addicted to consumerism, that is why companies can get away with this gross negligence.
The reason for implementing the MCAS system was because of how differently the Max 8 flew as compared to previous models of Boeing planes. The MCAS was software intended to correct for the difference in flight characteristics so Boeing wouldn't have to spend money to retrain pilots on the new aircraft
How in the world can anyone think systemic explanations are simpler than individualistic ones? Weird. Also, I always thought stalling meant the engine(s) literally quit working/spinning, but I guess it's not necessarily related to the engine, it's as you said. Interesting, learned something new about planes today.
At an important note there is some misinformation of the incidents involving Boeing aircraft this year, the majority of those incidents you mentioned weren't caused by the fault of Boeing. Japanese airline 737 average 14 years each and the cause could have been regular wear fatigue and/or maintenance, Boeing doesn't design or manufacture aircraft engines(747-8 engine fire), the 757 is an old aircraft and the wheel come off highly likely because of maintenance, stuck rudder pedals maybes Boeing fault still under investigation, and the wheel falling off the 777 is obviously a maintenance issue, the march 11 787 incident was because of flight attendant in the cockpit, no one would have guessed for that to happen. You made a good video, brought some good points however I would disagree with your conclusion, saying capitalism is the primary cause, because of a number of reasons. When you say capitalism I believe you referring to the market economic system. But take a look at the soviet unions aerospace industry. But before I continue I would partially agree that society thriving in competition is a myth, but that statement is also wrong to a certain degree, as competitions effect on society is varies from industry to industry, some industry fair better with less competition some industries don't. However I would argue that capitalism isn't the reason why Boeing got to the position it is in today, the company got complacent. Arguing that it is capitalism's fault is the same as arguing that the ocean is to blame for a leaky boat. While capitalism, like any economic system, has its flaws and challenges, blaming it exclusively overlooks the broader complexities of societal structures and human behavior. It's akin to blaming the tool rather than examining how it's wielded and the hands that wield it. You also went on to say that "the system(capitalism - market economy) works as intended", which isn't true economically speaking. If you look and study economics in a market system. The USA is a mixed economy mixing elements of a market and command economy, trying and capture the benefits of both in the short term but causing them to conflict in the long term. My biggest problem with your video, and many similar videos, is the way you frame it capitalism as the source to all our problems. Thing like why housing, rent and health care and the labor market is so messed up isn't because of the market economy, but because it is distorted by regulations, welfare, building and zoning laws put in place by powerful people supported by individuals.
5:12 i mean part of me wonders like how much of this is related too crappy maintenance by the airlines themselves like yeah if there are new planes out of the factory yes ... but even then were the airlines not doing inspections before delivery ? are there not random plant imperfections? and what is going on with the maintainers ? some of this stuff sure but other things its like why hasn't this checked on a walk around or found during routine inspection ... i mean this yin safty critical thinks like this you not ment to even have single point failures like they because everything's ment to be double and triple checked and double redundant
You’re right. The majority of the cases listed have to do with maintenance faults and not design/assembly faults. Most of Boeing’s planes, like the 777 and 737 NG are well-proven, reliable aircraft. The design and manufacturing started to get worse after the McDonnell-Douglas merger with planes like the 787 and 737 MAX. That part should’ve been left out of the video imo. Or should have been presented in a way that didn’t imply that Boeing was directly responsible for all the incidents.
Langewiesche's comments would be great if he was talking about Air France 447 (which was an Airbus aircraft btw) that was a legitimate case of the pilot having terrible airmanship. All he had to do was keep the plane flying straight and everyone would have survived. Problem is he ain't talking about AF447.
Thank you for this interesting commentary. Bravo. I am a fan of capitalism, because capitalism has worked and has made enormous profits which has raised hundreds of millions, if not billions, out of poverty. I live in Switzerland, which is a highly market oriented, highly capitalism, HIGHLY regulated economy. One example: ALL health insurance in Switzerland is privately purchased. There is no corporate health insurance benefit. There is no public single payer system. Instead every single person is Switzerland buys a health insurance policy. There is 100% coverage. There are about 63 non-profit insurers competing. It works. It works GREAT. The problem is not free-market or a planned economy. The problem is not capitalism versus socialism or communism. The problem in American as my hero Ralph Nader said, we have capitalism for the poor and socialism for corporations.
In regards to the "capitalism gone awry" and "working as intended" is partly true, but partly incorrect, because the inherent, internal contradictions within capitalist production kind of prevent there from even being a coherent "working as intended" mode of capitalism from existing.
As a plane nerd/avgeek that regularly watches aviation industry content, there's many moments throughout the video that I just wanted to go "Um, actually!" But very respectfully just to correct/clarify some explanations haha. This is a great analysis over all though! I was waiting for someone to make a video connecting these issues more with capitalism (ew)
Sooo, last month I flew to Japan. Once I got to my hotel, a UA-camr uploaded about Flight JL123. The thing is that the pilots had to flight side to side in order to avoid crashing. Sadly, four survived (2 died throughout the years). But pilots who tried to simulate the same strategy the two pilots end up failing for longer hours. It’s not always about the pilots. For the Flight123 incident (I believe) it was the end part of the plane that flew off because the same plane had an accident but no one bothered checking up on it.
Me with my leftist hat on says "yeah, make Boeing pay for all this shit" But me with the engineer hat on knows that more than half of the incidents this year were cause by issues with maintenance, more than manufacturing. It still means a huge number of dangerous issues are happening at the factory and boring has a hard one coming, but we should try to separate manufacturing and maintenance issues for the sake of regulating effectively and in all fronts
yes literally!! it is so unnecessary to lump in all these (routine, and only reported on because Boeing now gets clicks) maintenance incidents with actual flaws in design, manufacturing, and quality control (of which there are many, deadly examples you could focus on!)
Great video! You earned yourself a new subscriber, comrade! Something I've noticed about capitalism is that it doesn't go well with real democracy any more than it goes with actual safety. Capitalism is essentially a system where it's the person with the most money rather than the person born into a certain royal family who rules things. So long as we have capitalism as our economic system, even if we were to succeed in creating the perfect democracy, it would eventually be undermined again by the authoritarian nature of capitalism. The best governing system that goes along with capitalism is fascism because the love of money is the root of all evil. Thank you for speaking out again this truly evil economic system we call capitalism!
this problem has been happening everywhere, its sad its taken so many people this long (major passenger plane crash) to realize it, Im someone who’s worked in logistics for awhile so i guess that’d give you better insight of what goes behind the manufacturing and transportation of goods. Many places not only ignore, but encourage the cutting of corners to increase their daily profits. When cutting corners happens to something that REALLY cant afford that happening to it, well the result is pretty self explanatory. Its all tied to corrupt management and investors pushing for tighter deadlines while also demanding faster production, always has been. At one point keeping up with investor demands in a safe and responsible way is LITERALLY impossible for some facilities, so shitty management will encourage the cutting of corners to make the facilities daily quota. It’s also a demographics problem, its harder for these companies to find young workers willing to work in that kind of environment, and their older employees who’ve worked for them for 20+ years are starting to grow old and enter retirement
Why does nobody mention the Al Jazeera piece "Power and people: On a wing and a prayer" from 2010? It's on youutube, but you have to look for it. This writing has been on the wall for a long time.
I know I’m watching this later on but as a somewhat easily injurable hypermobile person who just hurt my back when I was trying to help my back a day or so ago, and since I haven’t actually heard you mention hypermobility in any videos yet, and it correlates with a lot of neurodiversity etc things, just, dropping a comment in case it gets noticed and might be helpful (:
The thing that infuriates me the most about the Boeing situation - beyond the obvious "capitalism bad" - is that the response of the government when the deaths started piling up was not to hold them over a barrel for it and attempt to force *some* kind of reforms on them. Letting them die wasn't a realistic political option exactly given the state of the military's dependence on them (though that dependence is waning, as Lockheed keeps just consistently kicking the shit out of them in quality), but it sure as shit was a golden opportunity to put some kind of shackles back on them. And then... rather than let them feel the squeeze from every airline around the world no longer buying shit from them, the government instead ordered a shit ton of F-15EXs from them. A fighter jet nobody asked for, a fighter jet that's inferior to what the military is already buying en masse in every single way (including operating costs, which was by far the biggest complaint about what we're already buying) (and yes that includes the payload, as the F-35 is actually capable of carrying *more* if it's willing to sacrifice its stealth, which still leaves it as better in every other respect), a fighter jet that served absolutely no purpose but to bail out Boeing. *That* steams me. We bloated the military budget *even more* to bail out Boeing with a contract that the military didn't even fucking want and that's objectively worse than what we have.
Blueberries do have a meaning in gaming contexts but that's really niche. Means random people on your team, but not in your group or squad. Often times it's used in mmo wargames to refer to people outside of an org. Completely irrelevant to the video but I just thought the lyric could still make sense with that meaning in mind. Good video as always, maybe the input will be interesting to someone.
i had the fly on a boeing craft to and from a trip, I couldn't really reschedule so i ended up having to go. idc if people say it's paranoia, i had that idea in the back of my mind that at any moment this craft can just combust lol. can't believe this isn't bigger news than it already is. boeing 100% had that guy killed
I'm so tired. You know a companies gone completely corrupt the second they start deflecting after some horror they created by saving a few bucks. When do investors realize that you can't control the stock market? Its volatile and instead of trying to always profit there are risk. Every penny they make in the modern day is a life lost and money thrown out later down the road.
Recently had a flight a few weeks ago on what I found out was THE bowing plane flagged for its system of grounding error by John Oliver. (Masked the whole time and tested after, no Covid, yay!) I freaked so bad and luckily we were all fine, but maaaaan I was stressed.
Welp, it is ironic that, due to other personal reasons, as of Jan last year I decided to never fly in an airplane again. Now I just have even greater reasons to not fly ever again.
Theres only so much fat that can be trimmed in the name of efficiency before you start peeling off layers of muscle, tendon, bone, and even organs.
Underrated comment
Not to mention the fattiest of organs . . . _the braaaiiiiin._
You’re not even supposed to trim all of the fat. The healthy amount of fat’s purpose is to protect and warm you.
i wanna watch this but i’m going on a 12 hour flight to korea next week and i know i would be imagining myself getting sucked out the plane so i am here to say love you support you will be returning in 7-10
business days
I flew on a 737 max a few weeks ago. I was pretty freaked out lol. But hey, I’m still here.
important to note that the reason why the pilots weren't told about MCAS was to save money. Specifically when Airbus updated their competing plane, it was done in such a way that no retraining would be needed to fly it. Recertification on a new model is very time consuming and expensive, requiring pilots to be temporarily grounded. So the bar for Boeing was set there, to update the 737 without requiring retraining. But they couldn't get it to fly the same without MCAS, and they were afraid that the added system would induce a need for recertifying the pilots. So they just didn't tell them about it.
Omg so they rather trade people lives for money. The planes sold as ready to go were actually prototypes test run experimenting
Same reason it only used one sensor. If they made it use both sensors the FAA would ask: seems like this system is important enough to need two sensors so why didn't you tell the pilots about this important system?
I'm reminded of that scene from Chernobyl where the guy was saying how the Soviet Union did all of these unsafe things with their nuclear reactors and when asked why he said "because it's cheaper."
I don't understand how it wouldn't be considered criminal negligence at the absolute least.
@@jbmp1390 they're above the law
Langewiesche being like "sure, there were so many factors against those pilots outside their control, including crucial failings on the part of Boeing, but pilots in the old days were built different darn it"
This is social corporatism this being capitalism is wrong
Idk if the pilots were built different, but the planes definitely were.
Bro literally pulled a "back in my day" as if there aren't plenty of pilots his age still flying
Before my grandfather retired from Boeing (even before mcdonall Douglas acquisition) he complained that "a handshake doesn't mean anything anymore"
The corporate culture was changing even before the merger.
I'm worried that Airbus is gonna have something similar happen to them to
I used to know a "plain spotter" that used to work at an airport during the 90's. Apparently they have a term called "Deathonomics" where they know of every fault and shortcoming of the aircraft but because of cost they ignore them unless people start dying. I'v seen this sort of thing on the railways when I worked on them (uk). It's maddening because everyone thinks you're some sort of conspiracy theorist if you tell them.
Also observable through Mc Donald's willingness to serve coffee at completely dangerous temperatures because the risk of resultant lawsuits would be less expensive than tossing out coffee that's gone bad.
I took 1 entry level economics class in college. Within the first 2 weeks, they were teaching us how to calculate when fixing a product saves more money than the wrongful death lawsuits that would be caused by ignoring it.
Reminds me also of when my mother would rather return a library book late & pay the fine, because on the day that the book was due & which we'd originally planned to return it, we had a change of plans & was no longer had any reason to go out of our house (other than to return the book on time), & my mother calculated that the cost of petrol/gas to drive that day just to go to the library to return the book on time outweighed the fine
Yes thank you. The system isn't broken, capitalism is working just as intended. It is SO frustrating to hear rhetoric essentially saying "we need better capitalists" when what we need is to pivot away from capital-based decision making entirely.
Also, your points about deskilling are so relevant. I have noticed a significant downturn in the competence of all professions I encounter as a consumer. There is a lack of basic training in almost all fields leading to lapses in competence in some of the basic areas of customer service. It reminds me of a King of the Hill episode where the power goes out while Hank is attempting to make a purchase at the store. The clerk claims that without power he cannot calculate the sale tax or even lock the front door, which Hank thinks is ridiculous. Reliance on automation is convenient, but also dangerous if we abandon the skills they replace.
If one is a musician, one knows they have "made it" when they get parodied by Weird Al. If one's company ends up as the centrepiece of a John Oliver segment, that company is already dead.
Given that Boeing's a military contractor and megecorp, they're just getting started.
Astonishing they just bold faced unalived that whistleblower and no one is in jail. Some people are just above the law I guess so long as they have enough money. To face the music, America is a banana republic, but instead of bananas we have planes and bad software.
Homie you can say the word killed on youtube. They killed him.
When you've sucked foreign wells dry, and now have to turn to gnawing off your own arm. It's the same tactics as always, now just aimed at and visible to the people who previously benefitted (even indirectly).
Who woulda thunk it, infinite growth is not actually sustainable!
No, it's been a plutocracy with a side of kleptocracy at this stage of capitalism. The moment when the "Democracy" part ended in the US is when money entered politics and/or bribery became legal(Via Citizens United). No one in Congress has any reason to work for the working class, as they all serve their donors/lobbyists, but they sure do work to maintain the illusion that they "care".
Boeing is a branch of the military industrial complex that just happens to make airliners as well btw
@@chloedsmithneoliberalism gives way to classic fascism
"If John Oliver is doing a piece on your company, it's too late." Facts 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I deeply appreciate that you dont edit out when you moentarily forget words or phrases. I have found joy shouting the words youre looking for at my phone
I have an uncle who is an engineer for delta and durring covid in 2019-2021 (i think), he was the last person of a 20 person project who hadnt been let go and he had to single handedly take on the entire freakin work load and meet the same deadlines. He was working over a hundred hours a week trying to get everything done.
Thats a singel case that im personally aware of, its not surprising at all that stuff has gone wrong. Nothing against the people trying to work because they are doing their best. Oh my lord tho, what is wrong with the higher-ups not caring about quality or idk, things just being done correctly or double checked???
It feels like we are in a Scooby Doo universe except every boogeyman is just capitalism in disguise. Or not even in disguise.
@lindmorn5909it's not that no one cares. It's that everyone is scared that once we start advocating, they'll just straight up off us.
Lol In Scooby Doo every villain IS capitalism.
@@michaelangeloabarreto4588yeah dude. One of the reasons so many villains in that show wore those monster costumes was because there was a recession going on in the show.
lindmorn5909 seriously, it's like a venn diagram of monsters co-piloting a giant mech suit labeled KYRIARCHY (/agree)
Wel.under that mask is Xi jinping.
Some people think you can design a game that prioritizes victory above all else by giving people who win substantial extra advantage in subsequent rounds, incentivises cheating extensively by letting everyone who ever manages it _keep_ the advantage into future rounds, and then act surprised when everyone just cheats all the time instead of actually playing the game.
Still not sure why.
You're assuming there aren't always cheaters willing to do whatever it takes in their own self interest. At least the current game sometimes aligns that with a common good. I don't think its a choice that advantage cascades, thats just how it works. How would it even be possible to remove "excess" advantage without coercion/violence? A lot of it is intangible like specific education/knowledge/relationships. Concentrations of power doesn't seem to be a uniquely capitalist problem, what we have is just adapted to capitalism.
@@polyhedron4258 Of course there are always going to be cheaters. The problem isn't the existence of cheaters, it's the fact that we _reward them for trying._ If they were punished for it, they wouldn't be the only successful people.
And yeah, cascade advantage isn't _uniquely_ a feature of capitalism, but it _is_ the trait capitalism tries to optimize for. The whole premise is giving successful people more resources so they can be more successful. It _is_ a choice, and we _could_ decide to do things other ways which don't _exclusively prioritize_ arbitrary success.
@@connerblank5069 I think everyone probably agrees with punishing cheaters, we'll just never be able to do it 100% or have the intended effect of stopping cheating. They just cheat in another way. (I'm reminded of modern pvp multiplayer, ugh)
Also on a logistics level, if you paint the cheater brush too wide, you get false positives. Get enough of those combined with harsher consequences and less want to risk playing at a high level.
I feel like we already (should) have the mechanism to force organizations to prioritize things outside of arbitrary success through regulation, no? Just seems like the problem is corporations are linked too closely to the courts.
Optimizing for success is probably arbitrary, but what other metric could you optimize for that wouldn't also result in some other problem? Seems like tradeoffs. You can only optimize equity for so long until the opportunity cost means the super unequal/cheater-infested places of the world have a higher standard of living or more wealth in total to bully everyone else with.
@@connerblank5069 Ideally, thats what the court of law is supposed to do. Problem is with enough $$ or power they can just lobby/delay/bully/settle/pay fines, without actually addressing their behaviours. We need jail time, not fines.
On broad level, regulation is supposed to align organizations along other concerns, but I feel like every other kind of specific trait alignment would cause its own problems too. There is an opportunity cost in not pursuing advantage, you will be out competed eventually by someone who does.
Unfortunately the systems is working as intended, there are no cheaters, that’s just how the game was meant to be played.
4:50 can we talk about the vertical video cropped for widescreen cropped back to vertical all inside a widescreen container that I myself am watching with my phone vertical
Poor Barnet. Dude had the same possible fate as Eugene Malove, Jonathon Kanzius, Will Colby, Gary Kildal, Donny Mackay, Stan Meyer, NickTesla, Hilda Murrel, Franklin Olson, and Dave Kelly.
Sheesh! That's too many David's dying taking on Goliaths.
Elliot’s back must be tired from carrying Boeings coffin around! 😂
had the unfortunate experience of flying boeing 2 weeks ago. it was my first flight in 4 years and my brother's first time ever on a plane and i genuinely expected us to go down or lose part of the plane at any moment. i wish the airline industry had more competition cause having only two major airplane makers in america while we have so many car options is scary
Wait, other than Boeing, who else is a major civilian aircraft manufacturer in the USA?
@@lyq232 Airbus!
@@fucchan_xo You sure Airbus ain't European?
@@lyq232 Whoops, sorry! It is!
@@lyq232 They are but they do have manufacturing plants in the USA, however they are pretty recent, though they have obviously been providing planes since forever for the USA.
I find the argument of the "let's just hope for a better capitalist to take over" to be especially infuriating when talking to liberals and conservatives about these types of issues. Never mind the fact that capitalism's internal logic will always pre-select leaders to be those that have already demonstrated through their careers that they are competent in the system of profit, because this is only a piece of the argument. The real core is this "well let's just hope for a better boss/CEO/manager, etc.," and that is what peasants used to say about kings and queens that were particularly tyrannical. Why do we need to "hope" that the "next one" will be better? Why is there such an inherent safety in having someone else we can't control as a population, be responsible for things that material affect the lives of millions, if not billions of people. The origin of democracy was specifically so we didn't have to "hope for a better leader next time", and people today are totally comfortable using the logic of kings to justify private business leaders and it just leaves me absolutely baffled every time I hear it.
thissssssss
I mean Alan Mulally was pretty good when he worked at Boeing
YES! We line in modern day monarchy. Well said 👏
That "door" wasnt a door. It was a door plug, a more or less permanent addition that plugs up the hole cut out for a door specifically because you dont want a door there.
It's so boever
Boever😂😂😂 new term unlocked
Ah yes, my favorite 80's prog rock icon
David Boever
Capitalism crashes cars too. Auto fatalities are on the rise
The headlights.... they are violating safety laws
@@SemekiIzuioyou're probably right about that. Auto companies also flout environmental regs by just producing vehicles in larger weight classes. Personally, I think safety regs aren't stringent enough, and personal vehicles should be limited to 1.5L manual transmission engines. (with dimmer headlights 😊)
@@karl_margs I think we need more public transportation in general as well. It would help avoid traffic incidents and save overall time and money.
Auto fatalities aren’t typically related to faulty manufacturing though. It’s almost always due to poor drivers.
For pedestrians that is, cars are getting safer but a bigger liability. Our pickup trucks look like tanks now lol
thanks so much to babila for the edit!
it was a fun one to edit! thanks for the opportunity :,)
@@BABILA.the use of the All Things Considered theme took me out 🤣
@@silverandexact ah, a fellow enjoyer of public radio! haha
There have been many comments on videos about Boeing which come from former employees expressing how the issue is with management. Thank you for bringing this to a larger audience.
What can we really do apart from from boycotting the hell out of them?
individual actions will not go far, but there is an international revolutionary communist party being built. uniting workers internationally is exactly what capitalists are afraid of. uniting our struggle means we can see socialism in our lifetime.
More practically, focus on the local/state level. You are 1/333,000,000 of the American public. Not going to make much of a difference there. On average, you are 1/6,700,000 of your state's population. It's hard to find a good number for city size like that, but it's probably less than 50,000. My advice is to get involved in local politics. You and a few friends can make a big difference at that level. Attend planning meeting and try to shout down the NIMBYs, pressure your mayor/city council/whatever into managing police better or improving public transit or school/library funding etc. Maybe your state reps need to hear from several thousand people about improving state safety regulations.
its impossible to boycott boeing
@@420peego to North Korea if you want your communist utopia then. I’m sure you’ll do fine
I’m going to Cali for my honeymoon and Boeing was unavoidable, it’s too late to cancel the flight Im extremely nervous
one thing to remember is that, without MCAS, the plane works.
the problem is that if you fly it like previous 737s you're gonna stall like Elliot says. the more expensive and safer solution to this problem is to make a new manual and training program for 737 MAX' new handling characteristics
I'm close with an engineer, and yeah, capitalism is affecting product development in many fields.🤐 The weirdest thing is how everyone is talking about innovation and saving money, but also hinder innovation and make the company lose money unnecessarily.
To provide a quick and rudimentary explanation of what the MCAS is for - As planes have evolved, newer, more efficient engines were made. But these better engines are bigger than the old ones. It wasn't a problem for the Airbus A320 because they have tall landing gear. But the Boeing 737 has short landing gear, and as such, not enough space under the wings to fit a huge engine.
As such, the engine was moved further forward on the wing for the MAX series, causing it to handle differently than the older 737 models.
The MCAS was supposed to make corrections to have the plane handle like the older ones, without needing to retrain pilots for the new way it handles. But of course, then the issues come up with how Boeing figured pilots don't need to know about this new system that's going to try correcting their inputs.
This is a good video EXCEPT for the run of "Boeing failures" around the 5 minute mark. I'm an airline pilot for context. These sorts of things happen constantly! Airplanes are huge, complicated machines running 24/7 in harsh conditions. Things are gonna break.
What is worthwhile is noting that through all of these, nobody died and very few were injured. Also, many of these are more attributable to airline maintenance practices and aircraft age than Boeing. Especially the Atlas 747. That airframe was 27 years old! And it has 4 engines! And is a cargo aircraft!
As usual with these videos, the intention is spot on and I agree with many of the takeaways, but also please please please talk to a subject matter expert before throwing claims together like that.
If it was no matter, why did Boeing 💀 the whistleblower?
@@biharcourt because the whistleblower was pointing out issues at the manufacturing level. Both aircraft maintenance and manufacturing quality contribute to how well something works, and both levels deserve to be held accountable. Manufacturing errors are also usually far more deadly, when manufacturing is done right, shitty maintenance doesn't usually kill people because the manufacturing anticipated some of these things that commonly break to break in the future. For instance, your car's breaks start to wear out, but the manufacturer made sure your breaks were working just fine and are serviceable, as well as anticipated you waiting until last minute to get your breaks checked so they build in warning lights and safety precautions. Compare that to if your breaks just flat out stop working on you while you're on the highway because the manufacturer chose to use less quality materials that are prone to giving out. The later is less common, but a far bigger issue when it does happen, because now it's not just an individual issue that could've been prevented if the driver was a better car owner, now it's potentially all cars on the road that are liable to just stop working in a key area that will kill people if not properly fixed. That will get the company into major trouble and cost them a lot, so they'd rather just off the person who's whistle blowing.
Something something capitalism is a meritocracy! ....right?
Is anyone else just *tired?*
Everyone is tired
Yeah. Especially with the ableism. So many CRABs…so many. (Currently regarded as able bodied)
Im sick of the only metric of success being capital. Social needs and human needs get ignored for not being profitable enough.
@@donnngles in this system, the *only* thing that saves us is regulation. You can't trust corporations to do the right thing any further than what secures their profit, and even that depends on what they think they can get away with.
But of course, it's a losing battle to try and patch holes as the little guy or the slow/hamstrung government, when you're working against a swarm of hungry, violent assholes doing their best to undo your work as you go.
Even just the burden of actually caring and taking peoples' opinions into account (as you should) makes the task pretty daunting.
More meritocratic than communist countries, which only require loyalty to the dear leader to get high level jobs.
capitalism really is the reason. in intro level business classes they literally emphasize cost and profit, the lower the cost the higher the profit. regulations based on good ethics? they mean nth with loopholes. it happens with our food, cosmetics, clothing, literally everything. everyone should take at least one intro to business class and a public health class as well. it’ll all click!!
I'd take a class, but I worry I'd gag every time. I took a labour studies course about workers rights and the first thing they said was "this is the class that tells you what actually happens to people when business teaches you how to become 'successful'"
@@angelinatran4930 this is understandable, i get so annoyed with the material i read. being informed can be very frustrating but i can’t not be at the same time! being triggered while tryna learn just sucks 😭😭😭
I'd add intro to microeconomics to the list! The class is highly educational regarding how this messed up system operates.
This is not true at all. You've clearly never taken an economics course. Price is determined by supply and demand. Entrepreneurs maximize profit by selling goods at the equilibrium price. If companies are selling crappy products, it's because people are willing to buy them.
@@conrogers6409 let's assume that price is determined by supply and demand (which is an oversimplification). But what you are looking for is not price, it's profit. Which is the difference between price and cost.
Most economics classes ignore the reality of things requiring resources to make entirely. Because if they did not ignore that reality, instead of a simple graph with two lines intersecting, and a simple point of "intersection=good" you get additional bottom line that is cost of production and what you need to find is not an intersection, but a maximum of "(price - cost) * demand".
Going further into reality, there is cost of storage, cost of shipping, cost of marketing, product quality, availability and choice. Companies are selling crappy products because you don't need to make a good product, you need to make a best product available. And that's not even stepping into market of luxury goods, where the product itself doesn't matter and it's price is determined by brand.
I'm a student pilot. Wrote a paper about MCAS a few years ago. While I agree that Boeing is severely lacking in competence, I just have to say these technical descriptions are something 😂
Boeings' new corporate slogan
Boeing: We'll Just Deal With The Wrongful Death Lawsuits...It's Cheaper.
I need to keep this video ready to send to people about how capitalism ruins stuff. Every time I try to explain it, from games, food, to airplanes, people JUST DON'T GET IT ahhhhhh
This is what happens when you allow companies to do their own inspections instead of having federal inspections.
Elliot’s videos are not Boeing, I will say that much. It’s always a delight 🔥
P.S. Hope you’re feeling better by now!
So I work in aviation and funnily enough I’m going on a 3 leg trip all on Boeings right now. It really is all about money and it’s sad. All of these companies have made major profits off of the post-Covid travel boom and all they wanna do it cut corners for an extra dime. They betray the customers’ trust for sure, but also the employees that work for them, which is even more egregious imo.
That's an incredibly inaccurate description of the Max issue. The plane didn't stall more than normal, it just handled differently to earlier 737s. The MCAS was programmed to "compensate" for those differences so that the pilots would not have to undergo expensive retraining, which would have made airlines more hesitant to purchase the Max.
When are we having next session of pedagogy of oppressed? I had a excellent reading session of chapter 1
today!
I'm glad to see that audio issues are just a factor with little glasses guys. (I am also a little dark-haired and eyed glasses guy and microphones seem to despise me on a personal level. Never let me touch your mic. It WILL die.)
guess its time to crash on the couch and watch a good video essay
You gotta learn to make things into win-win situations. If the wing snaps sending your plane into a down spiral, well that's pretty intense and interesting, and if not, you survive.
I love stopping the data brokers by giving all my info to a company on a youtube ad which we know are definitely trustworthy. You know it's good because everyone on youtube has personally used it and says it's good.
I was a glider pilot and grew up reading Langewiesche articles, was obsessed with the guy
The reason there was no training about MCAS afaik was because MCAS was specifically to *avoid* having to retrain pilots to the behaviour of the new planes, to decrease the turnaround times from designing the plane to actually being able to fly them in the wild. They didn't want the little part of retraining pilots to stand in the way of them getting their cash sooner.
Checked it to refresh my memory, and yeah: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maneuvering_Characteristics_Augmentation_System
"MCAS was intended to mimic the flight behavior of the previous Boeing 737 Next Generation. The company indicated that this change eliminated the need for pilots to have simulator training on the new aircraft."
@lindmorn5909 I'm not sure if it sounded like it, but I'm not disagreeing with the video at all. Adding info on how this was pre-meditated and directly profit-motivated, is all.
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Not going to lie, the odd microphone wire thing made what you said kind of badass in a way
When you said Boeing's "incompetence" you said it in a way where I'm assuming you meant to imply something else but don't want to get sued for defamation or whatever. So I'll say it: Boeing leadership was not incompetent in the sense of "they don't know what they are doing" or "they didn't mean for their business practices to have these outcomes". They intentionally, and with full knowledge of the real down line impacts on the product quality, cut qaqc budgets, employee volume, and employee training in order to maximize the money going to their own pockets. In doing so, Boeing leadership is not a rogue entity acting outside the parameters of the system's intended function. This is exactly what the system is designed to do. They say the invisible hand of market is the only valid regulation, consumers can simply choose not to fly on Boeing they'll say, and those who die are meaningless, irrelevant. We, the consumers in the capitalist system, are not human beings with value outside of our consumption power. As soon as we have died, we have no further value to them. They'll fire an exec and increase metric requirements on mid level managers and increase the pressure on the lowest paid employees. They'll donate some money to a charity (it's tax deductible, although doubtful they pay any taxes). They probably won't even increase any qaqc budgets. In fact, they'll probably cut them even more somehow.
Im really appreciating the boeing puns in this comment section
I really learned of Boeing bc when I was young, like 10 year’s old, I was obsessed with … air crash investigations xd,
A landscape video, made portrait, made landscape again without zooming in? That video of the flight dropping in the air was miniscule man
"What's the conclusion then? What's the call to action?" These are the questions that conservatives do not ask enough about any issue, especially the extreme right. It's like they are happy in knowing that many people are doing poorly/suffering, that some people are meant to have all the power and should be able to abuse others as they please. I remember Jordan Peterson's talk on how some people's IQ are too low and that these people can't be given proper jobs in society. Ok, what are we supposed to do about that? Surely, you are implying that we should take ethical measures to help these people, right?
At this point I wish they would install seatbelts in the toilets, too, so I only get dunked in piss instead of piss soak+concussion from getting smashed into the ceiling 😭
Elliot, your hair looks amazing. Drop your hair care routine and products please please please please please please please please please
Here’s what I don’t understand.
Wouldn’t all this negative publicity, flight delays, equipment failures & death hurt Boeing in the long run?
What’s the endgame?
Customers are plebs. Why would boeing care if you died? They already pocketed their cash. And customers will keep purchasing plane tickets. The consumer is addicted to consumerism, that is why companies can get away with this gross negligence.
Boeing: Your safety is cutting into our profits!
the new lighting looks great 😅 i am now worried about flying but am enjoying the video
The reason for implementing the MCAS system was because of how differently the Max 8 flew as compared to previous models of Boeing planes. The MCAS was software intended to correct for the difference in flight characteristics so Boeing wouldn't have to spend money to retrain pilots on the new aircraft
this is what happens when you forget to turn on Airplane Mode smh
Boeing, Boeing, gone!
yeah they employ a lot folks in Seattle along with suppliers.... not good for workers
How in the world can anyone think systemic explanations are simpler than individualistic ones? Weird.
Also, I always thought stalling meant the engine(s) literally quit working/spinning, but I guess it's not necessarily related to the engine, it's as you said. Interesting, learned something new about planes today.
Stalling in a flight context is when you can no longer maintain enough airspeed over your wings to maintain lift.
Its kinda wild how we love to debate planes this way but the debate around cars is kinda dead, when they kill a lot more people
At an important note there is some misinformation of the incidents involving Boeing aircraft this year, the majority of those incidents you mentioned weren't caused by the fault of Boeing. Japanese airline 737 average 14 years each and the cause could have been regular wear fatigue and/or maintenance, Boeing doesn't design or manufacture aircraft engines(747-8 engine fire), the 757 is an old aircraft and the wheel come off highly likely because of maintenance, stuck rudder pedals maybes Boeing fault still under investigation, and the wheel falling off the 777 is obviously a maintenance issue, the march 11 787 incident was because of flight attendant in the cockpit, no one would have guessed for that to happen.
You made a good video, brought some good points however I would disagree with your conclusion, saying capitalism is the primary cause, because of a number of reasons. When you say capitalism I believe you referring to the market economic system. But take a look at the soviet unions aerospace industry. But before I continue I would partially agree that society thriving in competition is a myth, but that statement is also wrong to a certain degree, as competitions effect on society is varies from industry to industry, some industry fair better with less competition some industries don't. However I would argue that capitalism isn't the reason why Boeing got to the position it is in today, the company got complacent. Arguing that it is capitalism's fault is the same as arguing that the ocean is to blame for a leaky boat. While capitalism, like any economic system, has its flaws and challenges, blaming it exclusively overlooks the broader complexities of societal structures and human behavior. It's akin to blaming the tool rather than examining how it's wielded and the hands that wield it.
You also went on to say that "the system(capitalism - market economy) works as intended", which isn't true economically speaking. If you look and study economics in a market system. The USA is a mixed economy mixing elements of a market and command economy, trying and capture the benefits of both in the short term but causing them to conflict in the long term.
My biggest problem with your video, and many similar videos, is the way you frame it capitalism as the source to all our problems. Thing like why housing, rent and health care and the labor market is so messed up isn't because of the market economy, but because it is distorted by regulations, welfare, building and zoning laws put in place by powerful people supported by individuals.
5:12 i mean part of me wonders like how much of this is related too crappy maintenance by the airlines themselves like yeah if there are new planes out of the factory yes ... but even then were the airlines not doing inspections before delivery ? are there not random plant imperfections? and what is going on with the maintainers ? some of this stuff sure but other things its like why hasn't this checked on a walk around or found during routine inspection ... i mean this yin safty critical thinks like this you not ment to even have single point failures like they because everything's ment to be double and triple checked and double redundant
You’re right. The majority of the cases listed have to do with maintenance faults and not design/assembly faults. Most of Boeing’s planes, like the 777 and 737 NG are well-proven, reliable aircraft. The design and manufacturing started to get worse after the McDonnell-Douglas merger with planes like the 787 and 737 MAX.
That part should’ve been left out of the video imo. Or should have been presented in a way that didn’t imply that Boeing was directly responsible for all the incidents.
Langewiesche's comments would be great if he was talking about Air France 447 (which was an Airbus aircraft btw) that was a legitimate case of the pilot having terrible airmanship. All he had to do was keep the plane flying straight and everyone would have survived.
Problem is he ain't talking about AF447.
Loved the video, Elliot! Very interesting subject matter
Pretty interesting to see u had to keep the news clip in the teeny tiny box, I didnt know u had to worry about YT fvcking u over :(
I also really like John Oliver, but he so very rarely actually identifies the root of the problem; white supremacy and capitalism
Yes!
Thank you for this interesting commentary. Bravo. I am a fan of capitalism, because capitalism has worked and has made enormous profits which has raised hundreds of millions, if not billions, out of poverty. I live in Switzerland, which is a highly market oriented, highly capitalism, HIGHLY regulated economy. One example: ALL health insurance in Switzerland is privately purchased. There is no corporate health insurance benefit. There is no public single payer system. Instead every single person is Switzerland buys a health insurance policy. There is 100% coverage. There are about 63 non-profit insurers competing. It works. It works GREAT. The problem is not free-market or a planned economy. The problem is not capitalism versus socialism or communism. The problem in American as my hero Ralph Nader said, we have capitalism for the poor and socialism for corporations.
In regards to the "capitalism gone awry" and "working as intended" is partly true, but partly incorrect, because the inherent, internal contradictions within capitalist production kind of prevent there from even being a coherent "working as intended" mode of capitalism from existing.
You know why they call them Boeing. Because they go Boeing Boeing Boeing
As a plane nerd/avgeek that regularly watches aviation industry content, there's many moments throughout the video that I just wanted to go "Um, actually!" But very respectfully just to correct/clarify some explanations haha. This is a great analysis over all though! I was waiting for someone to make a video connecting these issues more with capitalism (ew)
Sooo, last month I flew to Japan. Once I got to my hotel, a UA-camr uploaded about Flight JL123. The thing is that the pilots had to flight side to side in order to avoid crashing. Sadly, four survived (2 died throughout the years). But pilots who tried to simulate the same strategy the two pilots end up failing for longer hours. It’s not always about the pilots. For the Flight123 incident (I believe) it was the end part of the plane that flew off because the same plane had an accident but no one bothered checking up on it.
I was working in Expedia at the time of the crash of the 737 max. We had so many cancellations for flights. It was a stressful time in my life haha
37:22 that "huueeewh" sounded so animated
Me with my leftist hat on says "yeah, make Boeing pay for all this shit"
But me with the engineer hat on knows that more than half of the incidents this year were cause by issues with maintenance, more than manufacturing.
It still means a huge number of dangerous issues are happening at the factory and boring has a hard one coming, but we should try to separate manufacturing and maintenance issues for the sake of regulating effectively and in all fronts
yes literally!! it is so unnecessary to lump in all these (routine, and only reported on because Boeing now gets clicks) maintenance incidents with actual flaws in design, manufacturing, and quality control (of which there are many, deadly examples you could focus on!)
Great video! You earned yourself a new subscriber, comrade!
Something I've noticed about capitalism is that it doesn't go well with real democracy any more than it goes with actual safety. Capitalism is essentially a system where it's the person with the most money rather than the person born into a certain royal family who rules things. So long as we have capitalism as our economic system, even if we were to succeed in creating the perfect democracy, it would eventually be undermined again by the authoritarian nature of capitalism. The best governing system that goes along with capitalism is fascism because the love of money is the root of all evil. Thank you for speaking out again this truly evil economic system we call capitalism!
this problem has been happening everywhere, its sad its taken so many people this long (major passenger plane crash) to realize it, Im someone who’s worked in logistics for awhile so i guess that’d give you better insight of what goes behind the manufacturing and transportation of goods. Many places not only ignore, but encourage the cutting of corners to increase their daily profits. When cutting corners happens to something that REALLY cant afford that happening to it, well the result is pretty self explanatory. Its all tied to corrupt management and investors pushing for tighter deadlines while also demanding faster production, always has been. At one point keeping up with investor demands in a safe and responsible way is LITERALLY impossible for some facilities, so shitty management will encourage the cutting of corners to make the facilities daily quota.
It’s also a demographics problem, its harder for these companies to find young workers willing to work in that kind of environment, and their older employees who’ve worked for them for 20+ years are starting to grow old and enter retirement
My bad for that back injury I’ll dial it back next time
Why does nobody mention the Al Jazeera piece "Power and people: On a wing and a prayer" from 2010? It's on youutube, but you have to look for it. This writing has been on the wall for a long time.
I know I’m watching this later on but as a somewhat easily injurable hypermobile person who just hurt my back when I was trying to help my back a day or so ago, and since I haven’t actually heard you mention hypermobility in any videos yet, and it correlates with a lot of neurodiversity etc things, just, dropping a comment in case it gets noticed and might be helpful (:
"They have shifted from quality to... not quality" loved this lmao
The thing that infuriates me the most about the Boeing situation - beyond the obvious "capitalism bad" - is that the response of the government when the deaths started piling up was not to hold them over a barrel for it and attempt to force *some* kind of reforms on them. Letting them die wasn't a realistic political option exactly given the state of the military's dependence on them (though that dependence is waning, as Lockheed keeps just consistently kicking the shit out of them in quality), but it sure as shit was a golden opportunity to put some kind of shackles back on them. And then... rather than let them feel the squeeze from every airline around the world no longer buying shit from them, the government instead ordered a shit ton of F-15EXs from them. A fighter jet nobody asked for, a fighter jet that's inferior to what the military is already buying en masse in every single way (including operating costs, which was by far the biggest complaint about what we're already buying) (and yes that includes the payload, as the F-35 is actually capable of carrying *more* if it's willing to sacrifice its stealth, which still leaves it as better in every other respect), a fighter jet that served absolutely no purpose but to bail out Boeing. *That* steams me. We bloated the military budget *even more* to bail out Boeing with a contract that the military didn't even fucking want and that's objectively worse than what we have.
oh god, listening to you explaining aerodynamics and aviation in general just killed my brain cells
Maybe they were already dead?
Blueberries do have a meaning in gaming contexts but that's really niche. Means random people on your team, but not in your group or squad. Often times it's used in mmo wargames to refer to people outside of an org.
Completely irrelevant to the video but I just thought the lyric could still make sense with that meaning in mind.
Good video as always, maybe the input will be interesting to someone.
i'm 40 seconds in and yo UR HAIR LOOKS SO GOOD BESTIE !!!!!!!
Tell me why I bust out laughing at those first words. Glad someone covered this. Great video.
26:00 dropping like flies works I feel, given the context
I am watching the video right now so I don't know if it's mentioned, but it definitely feels like Langewiesche's piece has racist undertones to it.
Maybe not directly, but i see Langeweische's peice leading neatly into a "DEI pilot" argument. Yikes.
i had the fly on a boeing craft to and from a trip, I couldn't really reschedule so i ended up having to go. idc if people say it's paranoia, i had that idea in the back of my mind that at any moment this craft can just combust lol. can't believe this isn't bigger news than it already is. boeing 100% had that guy killed
I'm so tired. You know a companies gone completely corrupt the second they start deflecting after some horror they created by saving a few bucks.
When do investors realize that you can't control the stock market? Its volatile and instead of trying to always profit there are risk. Every penny they make in the modern day is a life lost and money thrown out later down the road.
“When one door closes, another one opens” - Boeing proverb 😆
Cutting costs will only drive profit until someone gets hurt. Now less people want to fly Boeing and airlines don't want Boeing planes.
Recently had a flight a few weeks ago on what I found out was THE bowing plane flagged for its system of grounding error by John Oliver. (Masked the whole time and tested after, no Covid, yay!)
I freaked so bad and luckily we were all fine, but maaaaan I was stressed.
That's so scary! I'm glad you made it through and thank you for masking
@@magnoliaskogen But of course! I’m disabled so I try to mask as much as I need, and I got my family to mask too.
Welp, it is ironic that, due to other personal reasons, as of Jan last year I decided to never fly in an airplane again. Now I just have even greater reasons to not fly ever again.
6:18 but how did this happen? who could have closed their eyes on the production of such a filmv
I don’t understand how capitalism still stands as a system
“beoing whistleblower dead” sounds about Earth
This is unreal..
Whether on purpose or not, the effect of everything breaking down just like Boeing, chef's kiss!