We Got A Trademark Infringement Letter-What Next? (My Trademark Infringement Story)

Поділитися
Вставка
  • Опубліковано 2 січ 2025

КОМЕНТАРІ •

  • @SunshineSoapandCandleCompany
    @SunshineSoapandCandleCompany  3 роки тому +146

    Hi everyone! I just wanted to say thank you so much for all of your amazing support! I really appreciate all the kind words and empathetic comments and responses to this video! It really feels great to have you all rallied around me!
    There are a few things I wanted to address real quick about some of the comments. I have been asked several times if the company that holds the trademark is a big company (or there is an implication that the other company is a big company). Also, lots of you would really love to know who they are so you won't accidentally buy products from them.
    I can assure you, the company that came after my business is not a big company or anyone you have ever heard of. They don't even sell bath and body products, which is one of the reasons I believe my product was not causing ANY consumer confusion. I am confident, you have never, and won't ever buy items from them. I think they do "police" their trademark, and seek damages from other companies, which is within their rights to do so.
    Also, I have had a few comments now regarding me getting scammed from my own attorney and that my agreement to stop infringing on the mark should have been enough. My response to this is, it is more complicated than that. The other company did not send me a cease and desist letter, they sent me a trademark infringement letter, these are two different things. The implication was that I had already caused damage and tarnished the trademark. When you get a letter like this, they are telling you to cease and desist and also telling you that you may owe them damages. To put it simply, even if you agree to stop using the trademark, they are not necessarily releasing you from liability! This is the part where we felt it best to have representation.
    My attorney's first move was to let the other attorney know that I was willing to stop using the "two word" phrase. In fact we had several conversations leading up to this and we were both hopeful at that time that they would drop it. The other company's attorney came back with a demand to pay and license the name from them. They were seeking damages. At that point we started negotiations. And when we came to an agreement, I was released of liability. I don't feel I could have handled this without representation and am very grateful for the honest help I received from my attorney.
    I hope this does not ever happen to any of you and please share this video with other small business owners!

    • @lyndaperkins9112
      @lyndaperkins9112 3 роки тому +6

      thank you so much for sharing your experience so others can be careful when using names/phrases/symbols and not end up in the same situation.

    • @lisaroper421
      @lisaroper421 3 роки тому +8

      As a wife of an attorney, I am so glad you got one! It is really critical in these situations to make sure all your i's are dotted right, and t's crossed right! I'm not saying the system is the best I can imagine, but if you are stuck in it you definitely need a guide!
      Glad they were able to help you and get this all cleared up!

    • @Daniel-ch52
      @Daniel-ch52 3 роки тому +9

      These are obviously frauds that make money in a "legal" way, don't feel sad for paying the sum you did because going to trial would you usually cost much more, you did the right thing.

    • @lisaantenett5762
      @lisaantenett5762 3 роки тому +1

      Thank you so much GOD BLESS YOU AND YOURS

    • @caroled3943
      @caroled3943 3 роки тому +4

      So glad you popped up on my suggesteds, your vid was so genuine and sincere I had to check out your product. WOW gorgeous soap. Omgoodness love love love! Can't choose which Im ordering because I want them all. ❤Don't let those jackwagons push you around!

  • @DesignCutters
    @DesignCutters 3 роки тому +223

    The fact that they wanted you to license means they were really not at all concerned about your product diminishing their trademark or their product. I call BS - they sound like predators. You should reveal their company name so people can boycott them.

    • @philmatoph
      @philmatoph 3 роки тому +9

      exactly

    • @beamarla8218
      @beamarla8218 3 роки тому +9

      i agree one hundred percent.

    • @KellyNsGrotto
      @KellyNsGrotto 3 роки тому +16

      She may have signed a legal agreement to withhold that information otherwise that company could sue for defamation.

    • @digitallocations1423
      @digitallocations1423 3 роки тому +11

      @@KellyNsGrotto
      How is it defamation when she's not lying?

    • @cheyennebaker3149
      @cheyennebaker3149 3 роки тому +10

      @@digitallocations1423 Based on legal terms, it can be defaming of the brand. Defamation doesn't have to be false information spread, it just any info that could cause a consumer or third party to form an adverse opinion.

  • @Steffi.EchoGraphix
    @Steffi.EchoGraphix 3 роки тому +317

    It comes off as predatory. If they were confident in their products, why would they need to go after a small business? I'm so sorry you were taken through this hassle.

    • @kutieluvsmj7
      @kutieluvsmj7 3 роки тому +13

      Same exact thing happened to me i was heartbroken

    • @stevienicks1269
      @stevienicks1269 3 роки тому +13

      Because tradematk law says that if they dont fight every instance they can loose the ability to fight for it at all

    • @j.l.thurman2725
      @j.l.thurman2725 3 роки тому +14

      it should only be on a maker's Mark, not words, phrases, colours, Just a mark that is original and not in common use.

    • @Steffi.EchoGraphix
      @Steffi.EchoGraphix 3 роки тому +4

      @@stevienicks1269 Wow, rules that cause everyone excess confusion.

    • @KatieCottingham
      @KatieCottingham 3 роки тому +8

      @@j.l.thurman2725 So that's actually gone to court more than once. The most recent that I recall actually getting press and the judge ruling against the person filing was Paris Hilton. She was made to change her filing and limit her category of usage to what she actually did and stop making filings for things she had no functional work in and no connected business dealings with. There are limitations, but the argument of "common use" and "public domain" has been an ugly legal battle over recent decades with people with money winning more and more, and everyone else suffering for it.

  • @edwardkantowicz4707
    @edwardkantowicz4707 3 роки тому +178

    Sounds like legally sanctioned EXTORTION. Best wishes, and thanks for the warning. I'm a bit dismayed that you could not reveal the company, as I should think there should be consequences for their behaviour, regardless of it being "legal". You're spot on calling the practise out as unethical.

    • @KatieCottingham
      @KatieCottingham 3 роки тому +18

      If she'd contested the claim in court it would be public knowledge, but by attempting intimidation, and her own lawyer playing into that, they get to keep things secret and protect those who have money already and use their "businesses" to leech others of hard earned income.

    • @tigermoth61
      @tigermoth61 3 роки тому +4

      When I first listened to this sad story, that is exactly what I thought. EXTORTION.

    • @MegaFairandsquare
      @MegaFairandsquare 8 місяців тому +1

      It’s public record! I found it with no problem. These big companies are on a mission to intimidate small businesses like ours.

    • @shellysdolls
      @shellysdolls 28 днів тому +1

      predatory lawsuit, where they were in the "right", instead of direct communication

  • @mjones8176
    @mjones8176 3 роки тому +72

    This reminds me of these two British guys who trademarked “Yoruba,” as you know “Yoruba” is the name of a cultural group in NIGERIA; thus if that cultural group or Nigerians themselves were to use their name on any products or items, these two British guys could sue individuals or the country of Nigeria for using its name. Of course, The Nigerian Twitter went after the two gentlemen for appropriating their Nigerian name, culture, and tradition, and the two men stated that they wouldn’t “sue” over the use of “Yoruba.” Thank you for sharing. You will be blessed. The company that went after you will - in time - succumb to its own tactics.

    • @fralou1
      @fralou1 3 роки тому +1

      Karma. That’s all I’m going to say.

    • @Buddhavibez
      @Buddhavibez 2 роки тому

      Interesting story, any idea where I can find it in full?

    • @IHeArTrOcK20
      @IHeArTrOcK20 Рік тому +4

      Can you imagine the audacity of those two men!?

  • @stacyreid211
    @stacyreid211 3 роки тому +141

    Humans never disappoint. Everyone wants a profit from everyone. I’m glad you came out ok. Smh

    • @carolyncunard3558
      @carolyncunard3558 3 роки тому +1

      So you don’t think people and or companies should be able to protect their products

    • @stacyreid211
      @stacyreid211 3 роки тому +3

      @@carolyncunard3558 I said what I said

    • @stacyreid211
      @stacyreid211 3 роки тому +1

      @@carolyncunard3558 also listen to what she said. She had no idea she was doing anything. Don’t take things out of context.make it a great day.

    • @beamarla8218
      @beamarla8218 3 роки тому

      karma will get them

    • @ohworldgirl
      @ohworldgirl 2 роки тому +1

      @@carolyncunard3558 She has a smaller company and as soon as she agreed to the cease and the desist - please , let it go - it was like they were use their trademark as leverage. OK if they ask her to just pay their legal fees, I'd have a tad more respect.

  • @fabricatedreality8218
    @fabricatedreality8218 3 роки тому +57

    Thank you for sharing. I've only began making and selling handmade items in the past two years and I've been wondering about trademarks and naming products. This story scared the crap out of me. I'm so sorry you had to go through this.

    • @elzy133
      @elzy133 3 роки тому +10

      Bigger companies or people with lots of money like to have a monopoly on trademarks. Can make having a small business more of a challenge. But you have to keep going, and keep learning. Can't let them get to us or stop us.

  • @sewmad1400
    @sewmad1400 3 роки тому +35

    😮 I’m so glad the algorithm suggested this to me. I’m just starting my own business and Trademark infringement isn’t something I’d considered. It reminded me of occasions when American companies have even gone after small businesses here in Australia. I followed the link to the trademark website and now I’m going to completely rename my products. Thank you. You may have saved my embryonic business!

  • @keyamoore8031
    @keyamoore8031 3 роки тому +69

    OMG. All they wanted was money. Just terrible😩 🙏 for you. Thank You for sharing

  • @naturalbodyessentials
    @naturalbodyessentials 3 роки тому +91

    I’m so sorry this happened to you, there are so many companies out there like that want to take advantage of small businesses.

    • @SunshineSoapandCandleCompany
      @SunshineSoapandCandleCompany  3 роки тому +7

      thank you and yes, it really is a shame!

    • @salwashaikh1772
      @salwashaikh1772 3 роки тому +2

      Thank you so much for your great information and this thing it happens as far as they know the law with the companies it happened especially with small businesses; however I see the picture in different ways we all got a very good beneficial information from your video and we got a good lesson thank you so much keep shining.

    • @debbie1016
      @debbie1016 3 роки тому +5

      Sounds like the other company was trying to make money from you. Any existing customers who knew there product and purchases it would know the difference in the products already.. Anyone else would not be aware of it anyways to cause any confusion. Sounds like they just wanted to make a quick buck off of you.

  • @SkywatcherSandra
    @SkywatcherSandra 3 роки тому +3

    Disgusting how businesses seek out to hurt people and not guide them to stopping the infringement. Shows their true colors. HUGS and GOD bless us everyone

  • @TamTheEnlightenedAuntie
    @TamTheEnlightenedAuntie 3 роки тому +24

    This makes me grateful for knowing a trademark attorney. I literally stumbled upon this video…as I have products on the market that I’ve created…and this would devastate me. I’m so sorry you had to go thru it. Thank you for sharing this information.

    • @myozbubble
      @myozbubble 3 роки тому +3

      I took a one day class at a local university on trademarks, copyrights and patents. A trademark attorney was the instructor. His clients were writers and people who created designs for fabric. It was quite interesting and I learned a lot. Since I owned a business at the time, it was a tax right off for me too.

  • @christhomas1994
    @christhomas1994 3 роки тому +32

    I'm so sorry that you had to go through this. Thank you for your openess and transparency and helping us to learn from your experience. Through you the phrase "forewarned is forearemed" becomes so true for us who learn from you. I hope that you find peace as you put this unpleasant episode behind you. Looking forward to continued great content from you! Be well.

  • @M5CAP1TAL
    @M5CAP1TAL 3 роки тому +35

    There was no trademark infringement.
    There was no customer confusion.
    That company was just being a bully, and a greedy one at that.
    Thanks for sharing your story!

  • @EllenRuthSoap
    @EllenRuthSoap 3 роки тому +64

    Cory, thank you so much for sharing your experience. I'm so sorry this happened! And I appreciate the info and warnings you gave us.

    • @SunshineSoapandCandleCompany
      @SunshineSoapandCandleCompany  3 роки тому +1

      thank you!

    • @AnneD405
      @AnneD405 3 роки тому +2

      Cory, just a question, did you look up the trademark yourself? Sometimes a trademark will be applied for but rejected or denied.
      Just a thought before you pay out lots of $. To me it looks like some company (?) trying to scam people- should have been settled with you complying instead of offering a liscense. 🙏

    • @SunshineSoapandCandleCompany
      @SunshineSoapandCandleCompany  3 роки тому +3

      @@AnneD405 yes, we thought at first it was scam but they really do own the trademark.

    • @AnneD405
      @AnneD405 3 роки тому +3

      @@SunshineSoapandCandleCompany I'm sorry you are going through this.

  • @rlpittard
    @rlpittard 3 роки тому +21

    So I looked into trademarking one of my products and I was told by my attorney that it is very tough to get the name of a product trademarked unless it is a very unusual name. They said it could take up to a few years for it to go through, if it even does and most of the time it will not. I am very surprised at that company was able to trademark that small phrase. I truly am sorry this happened to you, especially someone that is so willing to help other people. Thank you for sharing this information with everybody, especially those who are out there trying to sell there products. Take care and thank you again
    Leanne

    • @saltdoll5288
      @saltdoll5288 3 роки тому +2

      We weren't told what the phrase was, were we? Unless it was "skin care".
      I thought she intentionally did not tell us, being cautious to avoid further trouble.

    • @nomdeplume2213
      @nomdeplume2213 3 роки тому

      @@saltdoll5288 same

  • @SarahU2000
    @SarahU2000 3 роки тому +16

    I’m sorry this happened to you but I am so thankful that you decided to make a video to help us. Most of us are learning as we go so this video was so helpful.

  • @PrincessLopez
    @PrincessLopez 3 роки тому +145

    Thank you for sharing your experience and giving us the knowledge on how to avoid the same.
    I agree. It would have been more ethical for the company to contact you directly and ask you to cease using the name. It's very unfortunate there's people out there seeking to financially gain from such an easy mistake.

  • @ShamaShamica
    @ShamaShamica 3 роки тому +9

    As a trademark attorney I’m glad that you made this video to help other entrepreneurs understand how easily they can face a similar situation. Trademark infringement is not just about selling similar products. But as you mentioned, it’s more about the likelihood of confusion that your product could cause among customers of the company with the trademark. You could be selling a completely different product but if it has the same name as a trademark and you are selling within the same category/industry then it is more likely that there will be a finding of a likelihood of confusion and a resulting trademark infringement.
    I think it should also be noted that one shouldn’t solely rely on the results of a trademark search on the USPTO website to think they’re in the clear for a trademark. There could be applications for trademarks that have been filed but not yet registered that will not show up on a uspto search. Trademark attorneys do use special programs to help perform a thorough search.

    • @monicag.1527
      @monicag.1527 3 роки тому +1

      Curious, if there is evidence someone was selling a product with a name/phrase prior to it officially having been trademarked by someone else, can that stand in court? That would be a lot of upfront money for a fledgling business to have to invest in hiring a TM attorney, and going through the process of TMing every product they make.

    • @ShamaShamica
      @ShamaShamica 3 роки тому +3

      @@monicag.1527 Hi. Great question! Let me put my disclaimer here: although I am an attorney, I am not your attorney. The information shared here is for informational purposes only and does not constitute legal advice and does not create an attorney client relationship.
      To answer your question, in the U.S., priority over a mark is based on the date of first use of the mark as opposed to the first person to file an application to register the mark. So someone who has an unregistered trademark can have priority over someone who later files to register the same mark if the person with the unregistered mark can show that they were actually using that trademark in commerce before the subsequent filer. A person with an unregistered mark will still have rights to that trademark but only under common law. An unregistered trademark’s protection is only limited to the geographic region where it’s being used. So say you were using your unregistered mark in a specific city and town, your protection and right against infringement would only be limited to that specific city and town. You would not be able to prevent someone else from using the same mark in another region.
      So, while federal registration does not guarantee priority over the mark, it’s often recommended that one registers the mark at a federal level because you get many advantages from doing so such as the ability to sue against infringers in federal court, presumption of ownership, and notice of ownership to others nationwide. It can end up being a much better investment to register the mark upfront as soon as you can versus having to prove priority over an unregistered mark later on, especially against big companies with deep pockets.

    • @monicag.1527
      @monicag.1527 3 роки тому +1

      @@ShamaShamica thank you so much for taking the time to leave such a thoughtful reply! That is good info to know, especially about mentioning going to the federal level. Considering different entrepreneurs have different goals/aspirations for their business, what you have mentioned is truly insightful!

    • @ShamaShamica
      @ShamaShamica 3 роки тому +1

      @@monicag.1527 You're more than welcome! And yes, you are right, every entrepreneur has different goals and not everyone may want to take it to a federal level but knowing the options available and the level of protection is useful. Glad I could help.

  • @EdensSecret1
    @EdensSecret1 3 роки тому +19

    Wow, I had no idea they could just fine you like that. I thought to cease and desist yes but not ask for a lump sum, thank you so much for sharing your experience with us all. Very informative and helpful. I once got a call from Chanel and they simply asked me to stop using the name, of course, I did stop and nothing else happened and that was how Chanel handled it...

  • @janmoran2106
    @janmoran2106 3 роки тому +4

    Bless your heart! The way you presented your situation shows how much integrity you have. Thank you for sharing your story with us.

  • @Jen.O
    @Jen.O 3 роки тому +62

    On another note, here's how funny how trademark infringement can get: I got a cease and desist letter from "Chanel" when I listed an item on Etsy. What was it? A $5 vintage sewing pattern for a jacket I called "Chanel style". LOL, Chanel was stooping pretty low to send such a letter for a one-off item.

    • @sharontrujillo7793
      @sharontrujillo7793 3 роки тому +9

      It's not though....it's their name....has always been. 🏵️

    • @sdtreats2876
      @sdtreats2876 3 роки тому +1

      Chanel is really strict u can’t even make cupcakes either the cc issues the cc dripping and they told me I was infringing it’s silly to me

    • @tru2love610
      @tru2love610 2 роки тому +1

      Same EXACT thing happened to me on Etsy not even 2 days after I posted it on a custom jacket with a CC patch on the back, but Im confused because ppl are allowed to sell the patches to me. I put it on Poshmark & no problem. Smh

  • @KateLloyd128
    @KateLloyd128 3 роки тому +3

    I'm so sorry you had to go through this. They sound like a really predatory company. I appreciate you sharing this info with us...super helpful. I had no idea you could trademark a phrase!

  • @janetsmith4790
    @janetsmith4790 3 роки тому +17

    Thank you for being so honest and brave to share your experience. You are so kind to offer this information to help others when you are still in the midst of all of this. I have just recently subscribed to you and have learned so many things as I begin my journey. I find you very professional and knowledgeable. Stay strong and know that you are helping so many others! Many Blessings to You!

  • @myozbubble
    @myozbubble 3 роки тому +36

    As a former makeup creator and independent business owner, I'm so sorry that this happened to you. It does sound like the other business is a predator on small businesses. Thank you for sharing your experience. All the best to you! I would like to know who that business is as I would not want to give them any of my money.

    • @digitallocations1423
      @digitallocations1423 3 роки тому +1

      I wish she could have told us their name.

    • @ruthdella37
      @ruthdella37 2 роки тому

      If she told us: remember: it’s FREE PUBLICITY for them! Money and FREE publicity! Wow! What a SCAM! So sorry it happened to a VERY NICE HARD-WORKING WOMAN!

    • @IHeArTrOcK20
      @IHeArTrOcK20 Рік тому +1

      @@ruthdella37 well everyone wants to know so we can boycott not so we can buy products 😂

  • @QueenCoco84
    @QueenCoco84 3 роки тому +7

    Thank you for sharing this is the scary part of owing a small business. But I’m definitely about to work on trademark research on my products and trademark my products… so helpful wish all the best moving forward ☺️

  • @LashDiva5
    @LashDiva5 3 роки тому +34

    THIs video just changed the ENTIRE direction I was going to take on a Business venture. The POSSIBLE reward ($$$) is NOT worth the risk. THANK YOU! I took this as a HUGE sign from the Universe to bring this thing to a SCREECHING HAULT! Glad you came out ok at the end, though!

    • @lkuypers3680
      @lkuypers3680 3 роки тому +1

      I know. I had toyed with the idea also. But NO THANK YOU!

  • @maric9307
    @maric9307 Рік тому +1

    All greed. This is frustrating because a small business is hard enough. Sorry you went through this. Love your educating videos

  • @LolaBee144
    @LolaBee144 Рік тому

    Thank you for sharing your story. In the process of starting my soap business, I applied to trademark the company name. Months later, during the pandemic, I made the decision to abandon the application for trademark and put the business on hold. Fast forward to present time, someone trademarked the name of my business. I'm heart broken because it took me months to come up with the name. It was a very unique name that I built a whole product line for. Now I have to start from scratch and come up with a new name and this time I'll follow through with a trademark. My lesson learned is trademark now or pay later.

  • @micole83
    @micole83 3 роки тому +65

    Thank you for sharing. It seems as though small businesses should be protected from instances like this. Like a warning the cease and desist should have been a first step.

    • @SunshineSoapandCandleCompany
      @SunshineSoapandCandleCompany  3 роки тому +4

      exactly!

    • @carlab30
      @carlab30 3 роки тому +19

      Right how did they jump straight to pay us. Sounds like a money grab

    • @zenobiabrown
      @zenobiabrown 3 роки тому +11

      I’m confused just did a Q&A with a patent attorney who stated cease and desist meant stop now or we will seek damages.

    • @zenobiabrown
      @zenobiabrown 3 роки тому +1

      So sorry this happened

    • @tigermoth61
      @tigermoth61 3 роки тому +2

      You would think this would be the case, but this company wasn't protecting their trademark, they were deliberately out to extort money from her.

  • @jeaniceanderson
    @jeaniceanderson 3 роки тому +10

    I'm so sorry you had to experience this. This video is an eye opener for small businesses.

    • @alygarden9875
      @alygarden9875 3 роки тому

      Yes....that this world is full of SHARKS😠😤😠😤😠

  • @LynetteB71
    @LynetteB71 3 роки тому +116

    You are being so kind about this entire issue. I would be calling them out al over social media (1st amendment right) People like that need to be called out by name so we know who they are and what they are trying to do.They are only looking for money!

    • @rebeccafionacornel6558
      @rebeccafionacornel6558 3 роки тому +8

      i agree

    • @jpvintage
      @jpvintage 3 роки тому +13

      I agree. But then there’s “slander”… They would be back.

    • @jackiepik160
      @jackiepik160 3 роки тому +19

      Freedom of speech applies to the government making laws. It does not apply to companies. Also freedom of speech doesn’t give you a free pass, there are always consequences for actions.

    • @jessicataylor2603
      @jessicataylor2603 3 роки тому +13

      Most settlement agreements have non-disparagement clauses, as well as demands not to disclose details of the settlement, like amounts. Notice she never uses the two-word phrase. That’s a good indication this may be her case. She also would have been advised by her attorney not to further tarnish the company during the entire process too. It’s pretty clear this company uses their trademark as a revenue stream, and that’s a sad part of American business.

    • @zoeemiko8149
      @zoeemiko8149 3 роки тому +7

      You don't understand free speech. If she were to follow your advice she would lose in court and be out hundreds of thousands of dollars in damages.

  • @TonicMercantile
    @TonicMercantile 3 роки тому +5

    Appreciate you discussing this stressful topic. As a new business owner, this was very helpful information to know. I'm in the process of hiring a lawyer to form my LLC and will discuss my concerns with trademarks, company logos, etc. And I agree with you...a simple cease and desist letter would have been sufficient - they were just after money. It would be interesting to see the data from the other company on how confused consumers actually were and if they actually had any sales for that product in question.

  • @Janepint
    @Janepint 3 роки тому +1

    No, I'm not bored. I'm very happy that you sent out this warning to us that have small businesses. I will keep your advice in mind every time I name a product. It's very timely advice too, as I am working on a website that could draw attention to my product names and bring them in question. I was under the impression that I only had to worry about my company name. Apparently you can use your own name and no one can contest that. Thank you very much! I'm sure you have been very helpful to many small business owners.

  • @estelasteele1173
    @estelasteele1173 3 роки тому +8

    It seems that when dealing with a small business, a "cease and desist" letter could have taken care of the issue without costing excessive monies. I so appreciate you sharing your experience.

    • @mcescher1957
      @mcescher1957 3 роки тому +2

      Which is kind of proof that this had nothing to do with ANYTHING but a greedy company wanting money that they don't deserve. The can understand trademarking product "names" but the idea of trademarking certain "words" is absolutely crazy. Everybody seems out to stick it to the little guy...one of the reasons I have never started my own craft business,.

  • @sarienawatkins9566
    @sarienawatkins9566 3 роки тому +1

    Straight Greed😡.
    You are absolutely correct, why couldn’t they reach out to you in a more ethical manner. I am so sorry this happened to you. Minor set back for a greater come back. You are amazing. You gave me strength to start my own business. Thanks for sharing your experience so other entrepreneurs are aware. Be blessed!

  • @glenisgibson9736
    @glenisgibson9736 3 роки тому +16

    So sorry you had to go through this, and so unfair for a small business. I am in England and just starting to make products so I will look up the U.K's Trading procedures. Thank you for be so brave and sharing your story.

    • @SunshineSoapandCandleCompany
      @SunshineSoapandCandleCompany  3 роки тому

      thank you! I am hopeful sharing this story will be helpful to others!

    • @morpro4u
      @morpro4u 3 роки тому

      @@SunshineSoapandCandleCompany when you decided just to rebrand your products did you do this with the assistance of the attorney you ended up retaining or did you go solo? I was not aware of being able to trademark a name on the product? Great work btw.... when is momma coming back ?

    • @SunshineSoapandCandleCompany
      @SunshineSoapandCandleCompany  3 роки тому

      @@morpro4u my attorney sort of assisted me with the renaming process. He guided me on what would not be infringement and I ran a few things by him to make sure it was okay! My mom will have to make an appearance soon!

    • @morpro4u
      @morpro4u 3 роки тому

      @@SunshineSoapandCandleCompany for the situation you made a wise decision and yes they should have handled it differently then how they went about it! Yes your Mom is a natural! I'm excited to get started with my mom making cosmetics...she's 76 but she's quite the whippet snapper ..she's already formulated some samples of men's/women's and teenager s perfume and cologne! Think it's awesome at our age we can work side by side with one or both of our parents and have them involved!

  • @mandiruscher7335
    @mandiruscher7335 3 роки тому +6

    I am so sorry this happened to you, sounds horrendous and I’m grateful you shared so we could learn.

  • @donabouse5957
    @donabouse5957 3 роки тому +1

    I am one of your Patreon subscribers and voted yes to this story. Watching your video and listening, well the anger grew and by the end I was ticked off. You’re so graceful and polite. I guess my 15 years I’ve spent as a police officer have jaded me because there’s no way I could keep my mouth shut about them and exposing their unethical practices. I love you to pieces and love your content. You are my peaceful place and I’ve learned so much from you. I absolutely abhor what has been done to you. Thank you for sharing. You did a great job.

  • @livingin1984
    @livingin1984 3 роки тому +83

    Sounds like trademarks are too wide and vague. You shouldnt be allowed to trade mark just anything. When a party states sorry didnt realize it was trademarked, then stops using it that should be the end of story, especially when the accidental use of it doesnt cause confusion. Unless its a popular one that lots of people know.
    Curious what company this was because i dont want to give them any support inadvertently.

    • @hannahchante
      @hannahchante 3 роки тому +18

      Way too broad, just another opportunist and their attorney taking advantage of this system that allows them to.

    • @JCcreates927
      @JCcreates927 3 роки тому +3

      No it is up to each person that makes a product to know if they are breaking trademark laws or not, if not sure get a trademark attorney! I see people all the time breaking trademarks on purpose it is almost never by mistake. It sounds like she used a similar name as the other product which you would surely know.

    • @hannahchante
      @hannahchante 3 роки тому +3

      On purpose?? Examples please

    • @KatieCottingham
      @KatieCottingham 3 роки тому +7

      @@JCcreates927 Yes, there are definitely assholes out there who think they'll never get caught. However, a common use phrase or term is something that gets fought in court all the time because of the predatory practice of trademarking things that use common vernacular. Big names like Paris Hilton come to mind, who lost most of her complaint and was forcibly recategorized as a result. But, most decent people not intentionally breaking a specific trademark of common vernacular don't have the funds for a GOOD lawyer who knows what they're doing and how to fight on existing precedent.

    • @danalane6629
      @danalane6629 3 роки тому +2

      Agreed! They use vague language and try to intimidate people for just using descriptive phrases to sell their own products!

  • @craftingwithcharm7665
    @craftingwithcharm7665 3 роки тому +3

    Dang, That was a scary situation to go through. So glad you were able to work it out & thank you for educating us on trademark infringement.

  • @aetherscentsrx
    @aetherscentsrx 3 роки тому

    Really appreciate how gracefully you’ve handled this atrocious situation. I love watching your videos and value your creativity. I had been planning to trademark my business for awhile, but your experience really put it on the forefront of my plans to get it done asap to protect myself from this type of predatory litigation. Best of luck, the small business skincare community supports you!

    • @SunshineSoapandCandleCompany
      @SunshineSoapandCandleCompany  3 роки тому +1

      Thank you so much Courtney! You will probably find my next video very helpful as well! We are publishing a follow up video on Wednesday where I interviewed an attorney regarding these matters

  • @WUVIE
    @WUVIE 3 роки тому +19

    While clicking around UA-cam, I saw the title of this video, and immediately knew I had to watch it. Years ago, I had a web page specific to long hair care. In my meta tags, I had included a term about taking care of your hair in a manner similar to touching or stroking gently. Similar to your situation, I received a cease and desist letter, and at first, thought it was a joke. A soap company, of all things, was coming after me, a small-town nobody with a simple webpage for hair care. Nothing for sale, no promotions, nothing, just something I came up with out of boredom, and yet I posed a confusion issue with consumers? Wow. "Gee, I thought I was buying soap, but looks like I bought...nothing, from a woman who was selling nothing?" Seriously.
    A trademark infringement on a verb, or a noun. Baffling.

  • @sherralieberry-majeski5972
    @sherralieberry-majeski5972 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you for sharing your story. It is invaluable. I am so sorry you were unnecessarily assaulted.
    In my fathers business, he manufactured ceramics and he used to get trademarks, but quit do it because all a competitor had to do was change the design a little such as remove the veins in the leaf pattern or lower the pattern some around the bowl.

  • @kyleew6861
    @kyleew6861 3 роки тому +1

    you did great at explaining and totally not boring! you're great at videos like this just so you know!:) I'm ready to open a small business and the last step I decided to take was to research this topic as much as possible before launching. So thank you this information was super helpful!!!

  • @Mariana-ym6zf
    @Mariana-ym6zf 3 роки тому +19

    I still get the feeling that they do this more often than you know to get their hands on good products without going through the development process themselves.... Good for you to not just give in!

  • @sandywright-leonard5238
    @sandywright-leonard5238 3 роки тому

    I’m going to share you video with a FB group I’m in because they don’t believe me when I tell them that companies can trademark and copyright anything. Thanks for sharing your story.

  • @speranza8494
    @speranza8494 3 роки тому +3

    This is basically extortion and totally disgusting. This is how they run small businesses out of business. It is so sad to see this happening. Thank you for this video!

  • @cardcrafter726
    @cardcrafter726 3 роки тому

    I don't like bullies. This sounds like a bully. Sneaky people. They prey on small people. Good luck to you and your business. Thank you for sharing your story.

  • @riceg0bblr
    @riceg0bblr 2 роки тому +1

    You seem like such an honest and beautiful person. This breaks my heart. Someone in the comments stated that it was predatory behavior and I completely agree. I don’t know the company but if I did I would boycott against it simply due to their unethical behavior. I really wish you the best of luck on your business and future endeavors! ❤

    • @SunshineSoapandCandleCompany
      @SunshineSoapandCandleCompany  2 роки тому +1

      Thank you. You likely would not know this company. I have never seen their products anywhere. I only learned of them during this process.

  • @karenscookingkorner
    @karenscookingkorner 8 місяців тому

    I am going thru this right now. I have built my business for 16 years using my brand name. I registered my business in Rochester NY in 2008. Then moved to Florida and again registered my brand company name. I just received a cease and desist letter. Devasting is an understatement. At 59 years old I am not going to start over. I have been crying for 4 days. This will make me go bankrupt since my business is my only income.......Devastating 😢

  • @mapuanakupuna3471
    @mapuanakupuna3471 3 роки тому +32

    Thank you for sharing your experiences with these "dishonest & predatory SHYSTER's" so that others may learn from it. Many Blessings to you & wishing you all the success with your company. Define Shyster-(An unethical, unscrupulous practitioner, especially of law. One who does business trickily: a person without professional honor: A trickish knave: one who carries on any business, especially legal business, in a mean & dishonest way.)

  • @NikkiLynn3
    @NikkiLynn3 3 роки тому +4

    WOOOW IM SO SORRY THAT HAPPENED TO YOU, SO NOT FAIR. Small business companies are on the rise, taking over and those big companies feel threatened, like u said they could’ve just ask u not to do it again and change ur naming wooow. That’s why I’m not heavy on the naming I keep it simple & silly I’m soooo mad with you sister, I’ve learned so much from you. Keep ur head up and keep doing wonderful DIY’s 🙏🏾🥰

  • @starbrown1219
    @starbrown1219 3 роки тому

    So sorry that you had to go through this. Thanks for sharing some really valuable information. Good luck with your business.

  • @ddoublya
    @ddoublya 3 роки тому

    Thank you so much for sharing this. I’m starting up my business and trademark is super important. I’m so sorry this happened to you. I’ve worked in the skin care biz and they are cutthroat and honestly so go greedy. Keep your head up and please know you have helped me avoid a pitfall. Thank you so much!

  • @corieddings5713
    @corieddings5713 3 роки тому +5

    Thank you hun. I watch a couple of you tubers that the same thing happened to. Some one gets paid to sit behind a desk looking for this kind of stuff.

  • @beauticianfoxsalonllc4398
    @beauticianfoxsalonllc4398 3 роки тому

    My sister shared you video with me Thank! Thank you for sharing this. I'm sorry you had to experience this. I'm Grateful for all the information you shared! Blessings to you and business.

  • @NCJoMamaSC
    @NCJoMamaSC 3 роки тому

    Thank you for sharing your story…and thank you for being the “bigger person” in this entire ordeal. God rewards the faithful and I respect your integrity so much!

  • @matthaddershow
    @matthaddershow 3 роки тому +23

    Things like this should NEVER happen to small businesses! To me, the only time that there should ever be a payment demand is when there is a blatant violation of a trademark that is obvious for products where there has been a substantial investment from the trademark holder. Naming a hamburger chain "Lindy's" and using a drawing of a redhaired girl as the mascot/image and having a similar menu would be a blatant trademark infringement. Not saying it need go to such extent, only that it would obviously indicate intent to capitalize on someone else's name/reputation. A few words in a description of what a product can or cannot do however doesn't seem to rise to such a level. Sad that this happened to you and I think that these kinds of acts hurt not only you as an entrepreneur but also other startup and small businesses.

  • @kathleendearana4498
    @kathleendearana4498 3 роки тому +1

    I am SO sorry this happened to you! And, it's wonderful that you are giving a piece of simple advice to others!

  • @stachayoung6582
    @stachayoung6582 3 роки тому +3

    That sucks!!! I’m so sorry that happened to you. Thank you for sharing your experience and God will restore you 10 fold. You have many blessings to come. Stay strong

  • @lonnarheaj
    @lonnarheaj 3 роки тому +10

    They wanted to settle because if it had gone to court, they would have most likely lost unless they could have proved there was indeed "consumer confusion". The process of going through that would have been costly for both sides, but the losing side would have had to cover the Court costs and other sides damages.
    It was a predatory move, and a cheep shot for the most part. Wow I would love to know the name of that company!!!!!

    • @danalane6629
      @danalane6629 3 роки тому +2

      Exactly! If you have access to a lawyer that won't cost you an arm and a leg, you're better off going to court! They count on the fact that most people won't, because it is expensive!

  • @MysticBudgets
    @MysticBudgets 3 роки тому

    I'm sorry this happened to you. Especially you who helps so many people with your craft an willingness to share your how To's with the world of youtube. It's scary how this can happen

  • @crissyricci3287
    @crissyricci3287 3 роки тому

    You are so kind about the matter. Thank you for the information. You are surely saving someone with your experience.

  • @crystaltodd6906
    @crystaltodd6906 3 роки тому +4

    Thank you for sharing. This kind of stuff is what makes me apprehensive about starting my business. This is a sue happy country. I’m sorry this happened to you.

    • @LadyBug-xp1ox
      @LadyBug-xp1ox 3 роки тому +1

      Hi, Crystal! I felt the same way when I started my business last year, but after learning how to use the trademark tool I went ahead started. It’s worth it to start! It’s a shame that some people can make it scary to start a business.

  • @renemichelle283
    @renemichelle283 3 роки тому +1

    Your story reminds me of a very informative documentary I watched called The Patent Scam. I'm so sorry to hear this.

  • @jemharr1951
    @jemharr1951 3 роки тому

    Thank you so much for sharing, I pray that you will come back stronger than ever! No weapon formed against you will prosper, you are a wonderful person, with a great heart. People reap what they sow! again Thanks for sharing this amazing story.

  • @Anaturalbeauty
    @Anaturalbeauty 3 роки тому

    Wow wishing you much success with your small business and sending you much love and positive vibes

  • @KimFsharpHarp
    @KimFsharpHarp 3 роки тому +1

    This was super helpful information. Did they say how you could have prevented this? Are you supposed to do a search before you brand your business?

  • @LindaM1976
    @LindaM1976 3 роки тому +7

    This happened to me with a two word phrase I put on a cup I was selling. My fault for not checking on the trademark but I didn’t know you could trademark just regular words. I hadn’t sold any of the cups and the email I got from the company was super nasty but I stayed professional and polite. Funny thing is if I had put this phrase on anything else but a cup it would have been fine because they only held the trademark for cups. Ever since then, I check everything on the trademark website before I put it in my online store. I took down some of the other stuff I had up also that I didn’t know was copyright. I was lucky to not have to pay but it almost got my store shut down. Now I won’t even use copyright phrases for keywords.

  • @darijoy8231
    @darijoy8231 3 роки тому

    This is so bad! I'm glad you came out of it. Thanks for sharing! People are evil.

  • @janemason9215
    @janemason9215 3 роки тому

    I am so sorry this has happened to you.
    It is a lesson to all of us that are small business owners to educate ourselves completely before jumping in the business pound. Litigation is not only costly but takes a toll on a person emotionally. Yes the big company could have handled this much differently but why would they when they can benefit financially from litigation. Thank you so much for helping in the education process. We can all learn from each other’s mistakes.
    Again so sorry you had to get your education this way. My goodness how stressful.

  • @thumbalinamom
    @thumbalinamom 3 роки тому +6

    Thank you very much for bravely sharing what you’ve been through. I too didn’t realize that you could run into trouble with such a small technicality. My husband‘s cousin is a patent attorney and believe me if I create salable products I will certainly run things by him first. I’m sorry that you had to go through this and that you had to lose a lot of money because of it. I appreciate how thorough and how clear you were with the descriptions of what took place and found it very helpful. I pray that your business will flourish for you in the future.

  • @lindap7983
    @lindap7983 3 роки тому +3

    I’m so glad your video popped up when I was browsing. I just placed my first order.

  • @anncammack7989
    @anncammack7989 3 роки тому +3

    Thank you so much Cory for sharing your experience. I have been making soap and candles for over twenty years and I am just starting out as a small business owner. It is easy to think that experiences like yours will never happen to me but I know better. Thanks for the reminder to research trademarks just to be safe. God bless you! I have really enjoyed your videos.

  • @juliek7650
    @juliek7650 2 роки тому +1

    That’s ridiculous. Im sorry you went through this.

  • @theglowingbrownie5124
    @theglowingbrownie5124 3 роки тому

    You did excellent with your vlog. I am happy you are over that crap!!

  • @myattt7173
    @myattt7173 3 роки тому +1

    You've taught me a lot to think about. I'm sorry this happened to you. But thank you for sharing! Better days ahead 🌞

  • @nylevettemilligan8829
    @nylevettemilligan8829 3 роки тому +2

    Wow! Thank you so much for posting this! God bless you for going through this and sharing this with us.

  • @broadwayfanatic854
    @broadwayfanatic854 3 роки тому

    I am so sorry that you went through this. Your points are 100% valid, and for the other business to engage in these shady practices is awful. It is hard enough for small businesses to make it, and for companies to be ready to sue instead of making a good faith effort to settle an issue (if it was really hurting their business) is not right. The fact they wait so long to bring the issue up and ask to see your profits/losses is terrible, because it is as if the company is (unethically) on the lookout for smaller companies that may not have money for legal representation so they can scare them into paying them as a way to bring in more profit. It’s terrible that there are so many people/businesses in the US that are ready to sue one another instead of making an attempt to first settle an issue. My own opinion is that the company should have to address an issue first before ever getting the chance to sue someone, and they should have to show proof that they attempted to address the issue, and only if the company infringing on a trademark does not stop should they be sued. I just see so many small businesses close (not even considering these issues) that when you compound even more things like this, it makes it so difficult. For instance, I know a lot of stay at home mothers trying to provide for their family with small businesses such as cricut crafting or other endeavors and it is stressful since many are trying to provide for their children and make extra money for their family because it is becoming so difficult to survive on their husband’s salary. I didn’t mean to write a novel about this but hearing your story just made me upset at other people’s ethics and morals.

  • @antheafewquandie7979
    @antheafewquandie7979 3 роки тому

    my heart goes out to you what this company has put you through. its sad that there are companies out there that only do for monetary gain when they could have just asked you to rename because they have a trade mark on it , this has made me more aware of my products how i name them now and like you said we are a small business with a passion for what we do and you share such great content helping us all to learn and have fun with it .so thank you for that and take care and every success moving forward 💖 ( Australia )

  • @lorenachamberlin1492
    @lorenachamberlin1492 3 роки тому

    I just license my small business. Extremely new. Good to know. Thank you for sharing this.

  • @dstevens1316
    @dstevens1316 3 роки тому +1

    THANK YOU for sharing this information! You did a great job with the video! You gave us so much knowledge that I personally would have never known had you not made this video. I don’t sell any product but that’s not to say I never will, so a huge thank you, Cory! I’m happy you were able to resolve this issue and still be here in business dooming your tutorials and sharing your recipes! So thankful for you and ALL the knowledge you share!

  • @beckynunn4649
    @beckynunn4649 3 роки тому

    Thank you for this. It's good information for all of us that want to start a small business. I myself make crafts and am going to sell online. So now I know about trademark and hopefully can avoid this. I am sure you've help so many people with this video. Thank you!!!! Wishing you so much success! Hope you make up all you had tp pay those vultures ans so much more.

  • @sherrymartindale8582
    @sherrymartindale8582 3 роки тому +17

    Very sorry to hear this story. It’s unfortunate there are so many “Sue Happy” companies and people in the world today.
    Small businesses already struggle, and this just adds to it the worry of starting one.
    I assume this goes for naming soaps?

  • @sabrinastreet2390
    @sabrinastreet2390 3 роки тому

    Cory, I am absolutely speechless....I mean...just speechless. I always try to think the majority of people are kind and not mean hearted but then there are those that show up out of nowhere and BAM!!! I am so very sorry!!Thank you for sharing this and keeping it real!! Again, so very sorry!!

  • @demingajcreations6182
    @demingajcreations6182 3 роки тому

    I am sorry this happened to you. I am in the beginning stages of trying to start a small business, and it is scary trying to be on the look out for what you say and how you phrase and word your products. I am truly grateful for this information that you have shared. Some people would have not shared there experience or the info to prevent this situation. So thank you so……. Very much.

  • @Tish2.0Lives
    @Tish2.0Lives 3 роки тому +5

    I hope you're ok and don't be discouraged.

    • @SunshineSoapandCandleCompany
      @SunshineSoapandCandleCompany  3 роки тому +5

      We are doing great! Thank you! These things can be super discouraging as a small business owner because we work so hard!!

  • @johnbubu8310
    @johnbubu8310 3 роки тому

    You did the right thing. You paid the least, least stress and now you can use your product changing those words. Well done!

  • @lynnerourke4556
    @lynnerourke4556 3 роки тому

    This is my first visit to your channel and l have subscribed. I am so sorry that you had to go through all that you did. The best of everything moving forward

  • @marywhite3446
    @marywhite3446 2 роки тому +1

    Loved your video! So informational and I am so sorry that happened to you!

  • @healingbloomsfarm
    @healingbloomsfarm 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you for this video. It is important for all of us to stay in the "know" regarding the legal aspects of this business. This was a great wake up call for me to look closely at all my products. You are awesome! I'm so happy it is settled and over with, it must be a relief.

  • @cswartz1594
    @cswartz1594 3 роки тому

    wow that's horrible..... so sorry u had to go thru that..... ty so much for sharing .....

  • @dallashorner
    @dallashorner 6 місяців тому

    I wish I knew what company that was because I would make sure to never buy their products or support them! People are so greedy!
    You seem so kind & genuine and I’m sorry you had to go thru this.

  • @lynnebizlyne436
    @lynnebizlyne436 3 роки тому

    It is so sad you had to go through this. I appreciate your posting this video for others to see how predatory some companies can be just trying to squelch the "little businesses" or force them to get licensed by them. A friend of mine was using an icon of 'Garfield the cat' as her avatar in a forum and they came after her for just using the picture as an icon, she was not making money or anything as it was a discussion forum only. So you really need to be careful of anything being used that predators will come after. Thanks again for posting.

  • @sukarichristian9039
    @sukarichristian9039 3 роки тому

    Thanks for sharing your experience, the information you shared could save me a lot of money and heartache.

  • @alexxdaye1
    @alexxdaye1 Рік тому

    Extremely helpful! Thank you soo much for this! We all need this kind of information.

  • @trisakelso
    @trisakelso 3 роки тому +1

    I really hate that this happened to you. I’m very thankful that you shared your experience because you sharing has been very helpful. Bless you.

  • @LiveSleepResin
    @LiveSleepResin 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you for sharing what must've been a painful and worrying time for you. Onwards and upwards x

  • @JulieEbersole
    @JulieEbersole 2 роки тому

    Gosh, you handled that and, shared what happened, with such grace. How awful they took the money-grab route they did in approaching you; if it really was about protecting their brand, issuing a simple cease & desist letter first, would have been understandable. That just rots. And, I don't understand why, legally, they don't have to follow some sort of process that involves initiating a cease and desist letter first, BEFORE taking the next step towards someone who was clearly willing to do the right thing.