My late father was a rear gunner more i read about this awesome aircraft and what these young ment went through the more respect I have for my father. RIP dad !
Thanks for watching. Yes, one reason I am creating and researching for these videos, is to illustrate what was involved with the design and function of each aircraft. Also, to show what the air and ground crews had to do to keep these famous aircraft operational. Thanks again for your kind feedback.
Excellent presentation. I didn`t realise just how complicated those Turret`s were. I know one thing for certain, The men who sat in those things, for hours on end, not knowing weather they would ever see home again have my complete and utter Respect.
One more thing, the crews often removed some of the plexiglass windows as it interfered with spotting pursuing enemy fighters at night , thus, one can only imagine the noise, and cold, as well as the constant wind!
Earl Porter gave me a model of a Lancaster when I was about 13 years old. He was an R/G on Halifaxes and sometimes manned the .5 in the belly. I am not sure which squadron he was in. Arthur Lobsinger was an R/G with 463 Squadron RAAF and was a dear friend. Arty trained in Wellingtons and Stirlings before joining 463. All 3 aircraft used more or less the same turret So your chapter on "the office" means a lot.
The level of detail!! My grandfather flew (survived is more appropriate) 38 missions as a TG in Lancaster's, incredible stories he told. We will remember them.
My Grandfather flew in the Lancaster Bomber the with Path Finder Force (PFF), they were a highly specialised force, dedicated to target-marking for the rest of Bomber Command which was known as Main Force. Its crews acted not only as target-markers, but as guides and leaders on the long routes to the targets. They were also on rare occasions reallocated to Main Force role, very brave men. This is a fascinating video of the rear gunner and to think my Grandfather sat in one of those firing at the enemy thankfully he survived the war.
Someone else commented on same feeling I had, I was back in 1971 in engineering school.. then at college having to explain projects we had designed for various exercises. Any other Lucas Apprentices watching this ?
Thank you, yes I did find this program very interesting as I did, the program in the same series describing the belly gun. Having the gunner operating the guns in this position inside of the fuselage lessened the vulnerability of the gunner a bit. In contrast, the gunner operating the belly gun in a ball outside of the fuselage must have been unbelievably frightening especially for the small chaps whose size made them suitable for operating guns from this position. Courageous little blokes.
Before watching the rest of this episode I think 💭 I ought to say that the way you present your knowledge and expertise takes me right back to my mechanics, and fitters courses at RAF Halton, sitting in the classrooms behind the B.E.T (Basic Engineering Training) workshops or in the other buildings used for training, obviously most of the visual presentations were using either large paper flow diagrams or overhead projectors, and of course the blackboards (no offence intended) that the instructor had painstakingly drawn diagrams, and of course they all carried at least one piece of chalk in their dust-coat pocket, ready to launch at anyone who got the dreaded ‘nodding donkey’(nodding off, usually after a night out at the bop), and you could always tell the instructor’s who had been teaching for some time, the invariably hit their hapless target. Not a computer generated diagram in sight, and I must admit I much prefer your ‘vis aids’. Thanks for another excellent episode, I am hooked, more,more,more please. 😀👍🇬🇧🏴🇺🇦
Thank you so much for sharing and for being hooked. I have a huge amount of information and AP diagrams to share. Please let me know what subjects you would like to see in the future
What a fabulous insight into the rear gun turret on a Lancaster, never realised it would be so complicated. We know that the rear gunner was a perilous position, but, I’ve always wondered what the percentage success rate of the rear gunner against a fighter was …..anyone? 18:11
I’m sorry it took me a while to get to this - been a busy few weeks painting flagpoles at our local cemetery. But it’s good to catch up. WOW! What a detailed production. Truly the best for ANYone who wants a good deep dive into history. Thanks, Bryan.
Great presentation! All the pictures are crystal clear. We’re the Drawings done at the factory or by you? I just can’t get over the amount of information you put in these videos! The Lanc was one of my favorite aircraft. I still need to finish a paper model I started. Had to move and the printed sheets are in storage, but the fuselage is with me. It was a heavy hauler, the only plane that could fly carrying the Grand Slam. Didn’t have to hit the target, just hitting close by was enough. It would cause an earthquake and broke the target with the shock. Amazing! I’m a yank, so I always wondered what a B-17 with four Merlins would do. I don’t think it could compare with the Lanc’s larger wingspan. It would go much faster!! Thanks for your videos, I saw two and had to subscribe! Take care and stay safe!
What type(s) of materials were used to form a check against airflow between the rear part of the fuselage and the back of the Rear Gun Turret, where the two came into contact? Thanks and cheers!
I was most interested to learn that the turret includes an armoured shield. I'd heard somewhere that the only armour on a Lanc was in the pilot's seat - but clearly that's wrong.
Most squadrons removed all armour plating from their aircraft as a matter of course, preferring to sacrifice the protection for height. The plating behind the pilot's head was the only armour left in the aircraft.
Awesome videos. Thank you. Where do you get such detailed information? I'm hoping to start modeling high quality 3d versions of these planes, and would love access to documentation that shows every detail and measurement. Thanks.
My Dad was also in RCAF 6th Bomber group Lancaster's. He was a bombardier and 2nd navigator. He was once sitting at the navigators table when a gunner collapsed at his feet. His air supply had been shot away. He put him on oxygen and they got below 10000 as soon as they can. Very different the my life experience as a 20 something.
@@robertcaldwell2994 Barbara Parkes writes My father, Alec Clayton, designed engineering with Frazer-Nash and Donald Healey on their sports cars Before being transferred to rear gun turrets onLancaster bombers, he designed machines to make the canopies. Aged 12, then, now 91, he took me on a Lancaster in for repair and I shall never forget the feeling of the gun turrets, Tight, hard leather seating and straps, the guns, how cold it all was……… . The bravery of those young men!
Thanks for your question, Andrew. I personally created all the graphics within each video including the one you mention. I am considering producing a range of books or ebooks offering all the diagrams from each of the series of videos and more. Is that something you may be interested in? Thanks for watching
@@ukaircraftexplored6556 very much so, being an engineer and having an interest in the minutii, I find that many TV programs gloss over the details in favour of dumbing down, when I want dumbing up. I'm sure you could sell the cross sections as prints, I can't be the only weirdo out there! Don't answer that.
@@ukaircraftexplored6556 turret rotated very fast. Saw on YT. Tracking a/c..needed that. .yanks in b17. Couldn't track meteors jets too fast. Practice to counter me262
Quite a bit more complicated than I thought. It's funny dad never spoke about it at all. I guess this was his home in training though the war ended before he got to use it for real.
My Grandfathers brother was a Tail Gunner, somehow he survived the war, but was killed crossing the road in 1946, probably PTSD related. A Messeeschmitt could get him, but a Morris did. RIP great uncle
There was a radar device called MONICA fitted to rear turrets which detected aircraft approaching a bomber's tail. Unfortunately the Germans found out about it and developed a detector which actually enabled nightfighters to find RAF bombers using MONICA so it was discontinued.
No, I haven't read of any cases of the mounting ring snapping off. The are photographs showing the rear turret being completely sheared off, as it was sadly in the path of a bomb dropped by another aircraft higher up in the formation.
One thing I never understood was ehh the British stuck with 30 caliber guns in the bomber turrets at a time when axis planes were being fitted with heavier armor that was Mapuche more resistant to the relatively light 30 cal bullets as opposed to the much heavier 50 cal projectiles of the Browning guns. I’m also guessing that the .303 ammo used in the 30 cal guns in airplanes was probably a lot hotter loading than the .303 ammo used in the bolt action Enfield No. 1 Mk3 and No.4 Mk1 service rifles, similar to the hotter 9mm ammo that the Germans used in the MP38 and MP40 sub machine guns. I like the heavier 2,500 round loadings per gun, given the 1,000 to 1,100 cyclic rate per guns it gives you a lot of shooting time without worrying to much about running out. Since the hydraulics were only powered by one engine this design would seem to be troublesome if you had engine failure. A very ingenious turret design to be sure… carry on cowboy!
I watched this vid because I was wondering why the Lancasters shot my Bf 109 E3s up so much whilst playing war thunder. Thanks , what a nasty spikey bomber.
My grandfather was a rear gunner (Australian).
My late father was a rear gunner more i read about this awesome aircraft and what these young ment went through the more respect I have for my father. RIP dad !
Boy, these videos are so well done. I'm pleased the details are recorded for future generations. Thank you!
Thanks for watching. Yes, one reason I am creating and researching for these videos, is to illustrate what was involved with the design and function of each aircraft. Also, to show what the air and ground crews had to do to keep these famous aircraft operational. Thanks again for your kind feedback.
Excellent presentation. I didn`t realise just how complicated those Turret`s were. I know one thing for certain, The men who sat in those things, for hours on end, not knowing weather they would ever see home again have my complete and utter Respect.
Yes, exactly and thanks for watching
One more thing, the crews often removed some of the plexiglass windows as it interfered with spotting pursuing enemy fighters at night , thus, one can only imagine the noise, and cold, as well as the constant wind!
Earl Porter gave me a model of a Lancaster when I was about 13 years old. He was an R/G on Halifaxes and sometimes manned the .5 in the belly.
I am not sure which squadron he was in.
Arthur Lobsinger was an R/G with 463 Squadron RAAF and was a dear friend.
Arty trained in Wellingtons and Stirlings before joining 463. All 3 aircraft used more or less the same turret
So your chapter on "the office" means a lot.
Thanks for subscribing and sharing, very interesting
Wonderful post and of course, extremely interesting, many, many thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it
The level of detail!! My grandfather flew (survived is more appropriate) 38 missions as a TG in Lancaster's, incredible stories he told.
We will remember them.
We certainly will. Thanks for watching
Thank you for documenting this enormously complex machine in digestible pieces. All designed on paper with slide-rules. Amazing.
You're very welcome!
My Grandfather flew in the Lancaster Bomber the with Path Finder Force (PFF), they were a highly specialised force, dedicated to target-marking for the rest of Bomber Command which was known as Main Force. Its crews acted not only as target-markers, but as guides and leaders on the long routes to the targets. They were also on rare occasions reallocated to Main Force role, very brave men. This is a fascinating video of the rear gunner and to think my Grandfather sat in one of those firing at the enemy thankfully he survived the war.
Thanks for sharing
Someone else commented on same feeling I had, I was back in 1971 in engineering school.. then at college having to explain projects we had designed for various exercises. Any other Lucas Apprentices watching this ?
Thanks for watching
Thanks, very interesting. Much more complex than I had realised.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Very interesting thanks. Never realised how complex the turret was. Total of 10,000 rounds of ammunition is astounding.
Yes, there is a great deal to each of the turrets
thank you for adding subtitles, its such a small thing but very helpful. amazing video too!
Thank you for watching!
Amazing detail, thanks for sharing!
Thank you Bryan. Another great video.
Glad you enjoyed it
Thanks Bryan….I look forward to these every week……GREAT. B2.
Glad you like them!
Terrific video thank you
Glad you enjoyed it
That was fantastic insight into the rear turret
Thanks Allan, much appreciated
Thank you, yes I did find this program very interesting as I did, the program in the same series describing the belly gun.
Having the gunner operating the guns in this position inside of the fuselage lessened the vulnerability of the gunner a bit. In contrast, the gunner operating the belly gun in a ball outside of the fuselage must have been unbelievably frightening especially for the small chaps whose size made them suitable for operating guns from this position. Courageous little blokes.
Thanks for watching
Quite interesting!
I think so too!
Absolutely brilliant
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it
Thanks Bryan, I am really enjoying the Lancaster Videos look forward every week.
Thanks, glad you like them!
Nicely delivered sir!
Thank you kindly!
Excellent presentation. I am intrigued as to how the ammunition feeds are maintained during turret rotation.
The ammunition is fed into the turret by the servo feed mechanism, which rotates with the turret. Thanks for watching
2500k rounds per gun thats a big reserve
another good video,amunition feed system very interesting
Glad you enjoyed it
Very enjoyable to watch. So thorough! Thanks for your efforts. Pete, down in Melbourne.
Many thanks!
Before watching the rest of this episode I think 💭 I ought to say that the way you present your knowledge and expertise takes me right back to my mechanics, and fitters courses at RAF Halton, sitting in the classrooms behind the B.E.T (Basic Engineering Training) workshops or in the other buildings used for training, obviously most of the visual presentations were using either large paper flow diagrams or overhead projectors, and of course the blackboards (no offence intended) that the instructor had painstakingly drawn diagrams, and of course they all carried at least one piece of chalk in their dust-coat pocket, ready to launch at anyone who got the dreaded ‘nodding donkey’(nodding off, usually after a night out at the bop), and you could always tell the instructor’s who had been teaching for some time, the invariably hit their hapless target. Not a computer generated diagram in sight, and I must admit I much prefer your ‘vis aids’. Thanks for another excellent episode, I am hooked, more,more,more please. 😀👍🇬🇧🏴🇺🇦
Thank you so much for sharing and for being hooked. I have a huge amount of information and AP diagrams to share. Please let me know what subjects you would like to see in the future
What a fabulous insight into the rear gun turret on a Lancaster, never realised it would be so complicated. We know that the rear gunner was a perilous position, but, I’ve always wondered what the percentage success rate of the rear gunner against a fighter was …..anyone? 18:11
Totally amazing video. Love how its done, with al the drawing references etc. very good job. Thanks for sharing this
Thank you so much 😀
Excellent information and detail - and very well presented!
Glad it was helpful!
Very interesting. Many thanks.
Our pleasure!
this kicks ass
Thanks
I’m sorry it took me a while to get to this - been a busy few weeks painting flagpoles at our local cemetery. But it’s good to catch up. WOW! What a detailed production. Truly the best for ANYone who wants a good deep dive into history. Thanks, Bryan.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Canadian actor Leslie Nielsen was a tailgunner on a RCAF Lancaster in ww2, that was what he attributed his hearing loss to.
Very interesting
Great presentation! All the pictures are crystal clear. We’re the Drawings done at the factory or by you? I just can’t get over the amount of information you put in these videos! The Lanc was one of my favorite aircraft. I still need to finish a paper model I started. Had to move and the printed sheets are in storage, but the fuselage is with me. It was a heavy hauler, the only plane that could fly carrying the Grand Slam. Didn’t have to hit the target, just hitting close by was enough. It would cause an earthquake and broke the target with the shock. Amazing! I’m a yank, so I always wondered what a B-17 with four Merlins would do. I don’t think it could compare with the Lanc’s larger wingspan. It would go much faster!!
Thanks for your videos, I saw two and had to subscribe! Take care and stay safe!
Most of the drawings are based on wartime AP manual diagrams and are completely recreated by myself. Thanks so much for watching.
What type(s) of materials were used to form a check against airflow between the rear part of the fuselage and the back of the Rear Gun Turret, where the two came into contact? Thanks and cheers!
The Lanc had rear doors on the rear face of the turret and also two wooden doors located at the rear of the tailplane spar.
I was most interested to learn that the turret includes an armoured shield. I'd heard somewhere that the only armour on a Lanc was in the pilot's seat - but clearly that's wrong.
Thanks so much for watching!
Most squadrons removed all armour plating from their aircraft as a matter of course, preferring to sacrifice the protection for height. The plating behind the pilot's head was the only armour left in the aircraft.
During take off and landing, where were.both gunners sitting?
In their turets or somewhere else on folding seats in the fuselage?
In their turrets
Awesome videos. Thank you. Where do you get such detailed information? I'm hoping to start modeling high quality 3d versions of these planes, and would love access to documentation that shows every detail and measurement. Thanks.
Measurements would be very hard to come by. You would need original factory drawings for that. Thanks for watching
Your videos are very interesting Bryan. Just a note, the description says forward turret rather than rear turret.
Thanks for that!
My dad was a tail gunner in the RCAF in WW11.
Thanks for sharing!
My Dad was also in RCAF 6th Bomber group Lancaster's. He was a bombardier and 2nd navigator. He was once sitting at the navigators table when a gunner collapsed at his feet. His air supply had been shot away. He put him on oxygen and they got below 10000 as soon as they can.
Very different the my life experience as a 20 something.
@@robertcaldwell2994 Barbara Parkes writes My father, Alec Clayton, designed engineering with Frazer-Nash and Donald Healey on their sports cars Before being transferred to rear gun turrets onLancaster bombers, he designed machines to make the canopies. Aged 12, then, now 91, he took me on a Lancaster in for repair and I shall never forget the feeling of the gun turrets,
Tight, hard leather seating and straps, the guns, how cold it all was………
. The bravery of those young men!
I would have been nice to understand how the bullets are fed in the turret, from below unto the .303.
The colour cross section that you show on the front 'page', where did you get them and can I get them?
Thanks for your question, Andrew. I personally created all the graphics within each video including the one you mention. I am considering producing a range of books or ebooks offering all the diagrams from each of the series of videos and more. Is that something you may be interested in? Thanks for watching
@@ukaircraftexplored6556 very much so, being an engineer and having an interest in the minutii, I find that many TV programs gloss over the details in favour of dumbing down, when I want dumbing up. I'm sure you could sell the cross sections as prints, I can't be the only weirdo out there! Don't answer that.
I was surprised to see how quickly r turret rotated.wjat power was the motor for it
It was a Hydraulic Motor. If the motor failed, the turret is fitted with a Hand Rotation Gear. Thanks for watching
@@ukaircraftexplored6556 turret rotated very fast. Saw on YT. Tracking a/c..needed that. .yanks in b17. Couldn't track meteors jets too fast. Practice to counter me262
Any chance of a similar production on the Rose-Rice turret?
Will look into it
@@ukaircraftexplored6556 👍
Quite a bit more complicated than I thought.
It's funny dad never spoke about it at all. I guess this was his home in training though the war ended before he got to use it for real.
Glad you found it interesting
My Grandfathers brother was a Tail Gunner, somehow he survived the war, but was killed crossing the road in 1946, probably PTSD related. A Messeeschmitt could get him, but a Morris did. RIP great uncle
Sad tale, thanks for sharing
Great job!
Have you got any information on the automatic gun laying Village Inn FN121 tail turret that was fitted on Lancasters later in the war?
Thanks. I'll have to check, if so, may create a video to cover.
Another question ❓
I wanted to ask if there were any camera gun systems in any of Lancaster's turrets?
No, there wasn't. Thanks for watching
great vid . . what a pity they didnt use .50 Brownings
Thanks for watching
No nonesense excellent video. Of all the jobs man has ever done, tailgunner has to be one of the most dangerous.
Yes it certainly was. Thanks for watching
Didn't some have RADAR?
Yes, some were fitted with H2S Radar. Thanks for watching
There was a radar device called MONICA fitted to rear turrets which detected aircraft approaching a bomber's tail. Unfortunately the Germans found out about it and developed a detector which actually enabled nightfighters to find RAF bombers using MONICA so it was discontinued.
'MONICA!'...
Should've named it with a better codename like...
ROSIE MCRADIOLOCATORFACE
Interesting that the rear gunner had 10 times the ammunition that the mid upper gunner had. Guess we know who was busier...
Thanks for watching
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crazy 🤪
Thanks for watching
My dad was a rear gunner with 61 & 83 Squadrons
Seems too weak to carry the weight and rear loads of flying and landing.
Did it ever snap off ? The ring I mean
No, I haven't read of any cases of the mounting ring snapping off. The are photographs showing the rear turret being completely sheared off, as it was sadly in the path of a bomb dropped by another aircraft higher up in the formation.
@@ukaircraftexplored6556 yes I've seen a Mitchell being taken down by the bomber above it. Thanks for the info
One thing I never understood was ehh the British stuck with 30 caliber guns in the bomber turrets at a time when axis planes were being fitted with heavier armor that was Mapuche more resistant to the relatively light 30 cal bullets as opposed to the much heavier 50 cal projectiles of the Browning guns. I’m also guessing that the .303 ammo used in the 30 cal guns in airplanes was probably a lot hotter loading than the .303 ammo used in the bolt action Enfield No. 1 Mk3 and No.4 Mk1 service rifles, similar to the hotter 9mm ammo that the Germans used in the MP38 and MP40 sub machine guns. I like the heavier 2,500 round loadings per gun, given the 1,000 to 1,100 cyclic rate per guns it gives you a lot of shooting time without worrying to much about running out. Since the hydraulics were only powered by one engine this design would seem to be troublesome if you had engine failure. A very ingenious turret design to be sure… carry on cowboy!
Thanks for sharing
I watched this vid because I was wondering why the Lancasters shot my Bf 109 E3s up so much whilst playing war thunder. Thanks , what a nasty spikey bomber.
Thanks for watching
Great video and information. Very boring voice, how about a bit of enthusiasm?
Sorry about that