Pretty Little Liars: The Perfectionists - An Unworthy Successor
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0:00 Intro
4:14 Recap & Breakdown
11:36 The Good Stuff
13:36 Why It Doesn't Work
43:12 The Villain & The Cycles
51:24 Conclusion
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Pretty Little Liars
PLL
The Perfectionists
Alison DiLaurentis
Aria Montgomery
Spencer Hastings
Hanna Marin
Emily Fields
Lucy Hale
Troian Bellisario
Ashley Benson
Shay Mitchell
Janel Parrish
Mona Vanderwaal
Sasha Pieterse
Netflix
Ezra Fitz
Ian Harding
Gossip Girl
CeCe Drake
Emily In Paris
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Marlene QUEEN 😭
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@@friendlyspaceninja what show are you going to do next and can you please do the show shameless
Did I watch this show? No
Did I watch its predecessor? No
Am i about to watch an 53-minute video about it? *Hell yeah*
I watched this show but never finished PLL 😂
You missed nothing by skipping this show. Lol. Everything SN said is 100% true.
I watch his videos just because I enjoy his comments and how offended he gets when writers do a shitty job 😂😂😂😂 I haven't seen most of the shows he talks about, yet I keep watching his videos 💙🤗🥳
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Basically me
her talking so seriously about how intense the school is and how everyone needs to stay on top but the background music is a violin cover of poker face is sending me
sending you where ?
@@berimar5675 probably Mars
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@@Bethany959 Hm? ..... oh ... OH ... I see 😂😂😂
The fundamental problem with this show's premise is: why? Why do Alison and Mona have to solve Nolan's murder? They weren't involved and it has very little to do with them. That's a faulty premise right there.
That was my very first thought! Very good point
Agreed like why
I think that this is what happen when they try to adapt a book that isn't a spinoff, like a spinoff
The sad thing is they could have done something interesting here where Allison is an adrenaline junkie and addicted to this kind of high stakes drama. And it’s a fundamentally flawed part of herself that led to her disappearance in pll and her divorce. She just gets so wrapped up in the mysteries and we can see how it’s addicting for her and how it negatively impacts her life (not getting enough sleep or slacking at her job to the point of almost getting fired). And on some level she knows it’s bad too but can’t give it up. Could be an interesting premise for her character
@@unicornbiomes your comment has more depth and intrigue than anything the show runners came up with
The thing with Alison’s “redemption arc” is that it just was never meant to work. This girl was so absolutely terrible that people were HAPPY she was dead and the second “a” came around ALL of the people closest to her, immediately assumed it was Alison. Like the fact they would think she went missing for a year, and came back but not completely STRICTLY to blackmail and scare them was the biggest indicator that this character was NEVER meant to be a good person.
PLL’s biggest downfall was following the books for the first 2 seasons and then going off the rails afterwards. Because all the stuff the setup in those first 2 seasons was completely flipped on it’s head afterwards because in the books Alison was a literal MONSTER
The books are so good!!! I remember the excitement of buying the next one every year. The show was immediately a disappointment and I never watched. I just reread the books.
To be honest this show never really followed the books that much and always had some serious flaws since the very beggining but I dare to say season 3 is the best cause is actually the most consistent too, rewatching another day I was actually surprised to see how coerent was. Not to mention it dragged us too long with the same premise (who is A?) for like 7 years, of course it'd be a downfall sooner or later.
yeah but even in the first 2 seasons the show never strictly followed the books. They are way different.
yeah but even in the first 2 seasons the show never strictly followed the books. They are way different.
Are the books worth reading? I’m honestly asking because if they are, I’m going to the bookstore later today lol
We need to introduce Marlene King to Roberto Aguirre and see what show they make.
I like your line of thinking 😈
😂😂
Chaos 😈😈
@@jerrywhitfield7086 like caos with an h?
@@SoVidushi yes
PLEASE 🤣🤣
“It’s like the writers saw Allison as Prince Zuko when she’s always been more like Azula”
*That is truly the most honest interpretation of Ali’s character in either PLL show. Marlene is quaking right now lmaooo*
And the thing is azula is very interesting on her own. No need having zuko when you have azula.
We need a Space Ninja Avatar breakdown vid now!!!
If anyone is fit for the zuko redemption arc, actually, it’s Mona. She’s done fucked up shit but no where to the degree of Alison. If only we could have a show where Mona is redeeming herself and slowly learning empathy and compassion for others, as well as getting treatment for her mental issues, while Alison is still Azula-ing it up in the background and trying to bring Mona down to her level.
I like that a show from years ago is the benchmark of writing perfection. Avatar is legend
@@robinmitchells Mona legit murdered people and tried to kill literally every single one the liars. She is not more redeemable than Alison
I cannot believe that the people who made The Perfectionists looked at the role of "rich matriarch" and went "You know what? Get that woman from Gossip Girl to play the exact same role again!"
They really said she really killed it as a emotionally manipulative mother with lots of secrets we need her
That casting honestly shouldn’t be allowed I was half expecting Joe Goldberg to be revealed as A
@@gmalicious7915 LMFAOOOOOOOOO
she also played basically the same character on dynasty. Kelly Rutherford just has a specific typecast
@@gmalicious7915 that would be a very cool idea lmao and it would actually makes sense because joe was written as a shitty person and a murderer from the BEGINNING unlike *cough cough* dan *cough cough*
They did the same mistake as the gossip girl reboot; by including teachers in a story of students especially in college where Professors couldn't care less.
Exactly. What are people not getting?
Yeah, nobody cares about the old people tbh
Should have set it in grad school.
The worst part of Alison's character was not that she was just a villain that girl was actually evil the shit she would do was borderline sociopathic, she screwed with not only her friends and played a few mean girl tricks like anyone who was just kinda pissed off and sad about something in high school, and you learn to grow past it as you grow up and turn into an adult no she messed with everyone in that school, adults, anyone who got in her way she made sure to actually destroy them. You don't just get over that and be like "yeah I was kinda a mean girl back in high school, but I am totally a nice person now" no Alison was actually evil and nuts you can’t just brush that over
The genius of *some* high school mean girl media that gets dismissed by a lot of people, is that sometimes works in the genre will insert a borderline psychotic character who uses the mean girl persona as a self-aware and socially convenient mask for their actions, and it really seemed like this is what Allison was. She wasn't just a high school mean girl, she was a brilliant tactician and schemer and honestly a genius. The idea of that character turning as she becomes more wise and remorseful as an adult and using her intellect for good is a great idea for a redemption arc and I'm sure there are some people like that in real life, but if they wanted Allison to be that character, given her history, they needed to write a lot of bold scenes they just didn't have it in them to write. Can't really redeem a bad character if you're too insecure in your ability to do so, and instead just try to avoid reminding the audience of how she used to be...
They chickened out. That's the endpoint of Allison's entire arc. The writers chickened out of their own story.
@@KaiInMotion They honestly had a gold mine when it came to Alison her story was fucking amazing and Sasha is a talented little actor I will give her that idk why they just turned her into a helpless nobody yes they did do a little something with her in the perfectionist but nothing from what she was and true they didn’t even redeem her they just made her a totally different character
I agree with what you're writing but pls dude, use punctuation that was very hard to read.
@@KaiInMotion any recs where this is pulled off properly?
im so mad, i just finished the book series and alison is legit a full blown deranged psycho serial killer. that girl fakes her death TWICE, manipulates hundreds of people, pulls out her own teeth and turns on everyone who doesnt serve her anymore. sasha is a great actress and would've done a wonderful job, ugh im so mad at the wasted potential
Love how Marlene King thought she could get away with that horrible finale so she decided to make a new one thinking she still has the support from the original PLL fans. 🤣
No because the official PLL insta account lost 200k followers after the poster was revealed 😫😂 they were FED UP with her bullshit
This, like I liked the movie es kinda finale of PLL but yeah those last 2 PLL seasons were just not it. Marlene girl 😖
@@dazzlinggene yeah they were for sure bad compared to the others… at least s1-5 were like fun. I still enjoyed the last seasons because I was such a big fan tho 😭 I think that’s why it still had so many fans because we ate all her shit up
Exactly 😂 if only she wasn't bitter about getting outsmarted by fans into figuring out who Big A really is..
@@aesketches lol if she just ignored her pride in "outsmarting the fans" and made a predictable but conclusive ending, she would've pulled a trick on us all bc no one would've actually predicted that
What I want, one day, is a mini-series that begins like one of these tv shows. High drama, with barrowed plots, etc. But when something happens, like the shooting of newt, or some murder, it takes a sudden turn to a hyper-real style, almost beyond documentary. All of a sudden, the police arrest and treat these characters with the same level of scrutiny they treat real suspects. the addition of hard legal processing. A sex scandal actually plays out with a firing and public out cry. It is only one season and ends with everyone in jail or utterly ruined. An almost satire, or something
Please, Universe, make it happen
Now this, this is gold. Of the writing is done right with a good balance of both good and evil characters, this could play out well.
watch any thriller kdrama lol they are incredibly well written and are only one season
You mean cruel summer?
I'd watch the hell out of that
I SOMEHOW completely forgot that Emily and Alison got married and I just started laughing SO HARD
you’ll never know what this comment said
Not only that but Alison gets upset when she relapses into that state and I'm just staring at the screen confused asf
I mean Mona was A so they were kind of even
She just forgot about the iron fleet
And Mona terrorized and psychologically tortured Ali and her friends for years, so they are kinda even? Mona even thought she killed Ali.
But also the other way around
I truly believe the Perfectionists would’ve been an incredible show if it wasn’t a PLL spinoff. Like, I thought the storyline and characters were pretty interesting. But trying to tie it all back to Rosewood with Ali and Mona really took me out and made me not like it.
PS. Dope video as always
Agreed
This 🥺
It could've worked... with good writing. Here, it almost looks like a gimmick, a private joke. If you wanna commit, commit, damnit!
Yeah, they have adopted the book that isn't a spinoff like a spinoff only for reach more public
Honestly I don't think so. The entire premise, even without the ties to PLL, is the SAME as PLL. It wouldn't have been interesting unless the storyline was entirely changed.
Funniest moment of this show was Marlene trying to ignore the messy events of the PLL finale by having Mona say Alex & Mary Drake simply “escaped” her underground PRISON in PARIS... Even the writers knew they shouldn’t have added that stupid dollhouse scene in the first place 😭😭😭
So many wtf moments in that finale
They WHAT? It was stupid and made no sense. How did Mona get them there? Where did she get the money to build that without questions? You’ve just been tortured and wren was killed. Alison was impregnated!! And you don’t follow up with police but let Mona (don’t know if she told them) take them to fucking Paris? It was horrrrrible. They really thought “well our audience is kids and they’re dumb anyway.” So to even hear they ESCAPED in a one liner is abhorrent.
Worked for Bruce Wayne in Rising.
Was searching for this comment omfg I can’t believe that’s how they explained that away and no one was like…WORRIED? I would love to see Allison’s reaction to Mona telling her ALEX FUCKING DRAKE, the woman who artificially inseminated her using Wren’s sperm and Emily’s eggs against her will conveniently escaped???!?! And holy fuck that sentence was a rollercoaster huh?
@@AndSoWeLaughed The only thing that actually made sense was Alex and Mary being in Paris. Mona said she "called" the police, but that same police officer who "arrested" Alex Drake and Mary was the same officer who was shown in the same scene kissing Mona and saying, "Are you ready for dinner?", making me think that he's her boyfriend, and he also helped Mona bring them to Paris. I don't know if that makes sense. Just rewatch the parts where Alex is getting arrested and the part where Mona is in Paris. A couple seconds later, that same "police officer" shows up and kisses Mona.
One thing that bugs me is Sasha Pieterse is "playing Gertrude." They expected us to believe she's this college professor when the actress is in her early 20s. Like she looks the same age as the college kids she's "mentoring."
And in real life Sofia Carson, who plays one of her students, is three years older than her, and I feel like you can tell.
I didn’t check the other actresses but they may be older than her too 😂
See, I never understood the sympathy over Marlene not getting the reboot. It would be different if if was entirely her creation, but PLL was an adaptation of a book series by another person. A loose adaptation, since the show is wildly different from the books and the books are superior from what I’ve heard, but an adaptation nonetheless. It would be like if a new show based on Sherlock Holmes got announced and Steven Moffat was upset he wasn’t the showrunner this time around. Who I actually sympathize with is the author, Sara Shepherd: imagine writing a book series that you adore and that’s also adored by a mass audience to the point that it gets a TV show adaptation, just for the showrunner to completely butcher your characters, rewrite your story only to make it much worse, and otherwise tarnish the series you worked so hard to build up. Marlene is an idiot if she ever thought she was locked into every adaptation of PLL to ever be made for the rest of time, and studio heads would be idiots for putting her in the role again after she fucked up so bad the first time and with both spinoffs. At the end of the day, Marlene wasn’t the creator of PLL as a whole, Sara was, and she deserves to see someone else take a shot at giving her creation justice on the screen.
Edit cuz I just remembered something: in the books Aria and Ezra together wasn’t even really a thing because he gets arrested and sent to jail in the first book due to him trying to have a relationship with Aria, because unlike Marlene, Sara knows how fucking gross and morally bankrupt it is to have a relationship between a teenager and her adult teacher. That’s reason enough for me to not feel a single ounce of sympathy towards Marlene not getting the reboot cuz now we have a chance of not seeing pedophilia romanticized in a tv show adaptation of this story.
Second edit: forgot the reboot is gonna be helmed by RAS, so yeah there’s definitely gonna be pedophilia this time around again looking at his previous work, but my point still stands.
Hear hear. I've no sympathy for her. She got several chances to redeem herself but she just can't because she's incompetent. She doesn't learn from her mistakes and she has some messed up ideas about romance. It's not even her property. I wish they would give franchises to competent writers but this business isn't about talent or people who care about their craft, it's about who you know.
@@tonichan89 Unfortunately, they gave it to the Riverdale creator... I wish they'd build a competent writing table with a solid foundation of something fresh for the show whilst still being a PLL spinoff, instead they have a poorly constructed writers table that collapsed under the weight of the fame PLL acquired
sara knows not to add pedo’s into her books? in the novel series pretty much ALL OF THEIR BOYFRIENDS were still adults. not condoning it but your hottake is in desperate need of some ice cubes kid
@@accio_firewhiskey8256 Just another instance of it not being about talent, huh? 😅 hoo boy
Marlene King took an amazing book series that was well written, turned it into a tv show and completely fuc*ed it up. That’s talent. If she would have followed the books it would have had a great ending. Yes, we would know what’s next, but it would make sense rather than becoming a total flop. I feel betrayed😂 I dedicated so much time to watching PLL and trying to fighter out who A was. In the end, there was absolutely no way I could have figured it out. Not even Marlene knew.
My premise for the show: Take a repentant but deeply flawed Allison and put her in a new town. She's having a depressive slump after Emily left her and she's questioning whether she can really escape her past.
She makes new friends in this city and things seem to be going alright, but her sadness keeps cropping up. When she's upset she starts to fall back into old habits - she becomes meaner and short with people to try and give herself some space. She feels bad about it after the fact, but in the moment she gets that sense of power she used to have. It comforts her. She keeps up trying to be a better person, but she starts keying into all the juicy, scandalous gossip of the town like she used to. She can't help but collect information, but claims to herself that she'll never use it. Then something changes.
Someone tries to kill her... again.
Allison survives but she freaks out, she's sent into a panic and slips back into her old self completely as she tries to figure out who's after her. She starts lying, manipulating, and blackmailing people to try and find out the culprit but now she has a boatload of old and new enemies out to get her. They bring up the terrible things she's done, frame her for crimes suspiciously like what she used to do in the past, and make her life a living hell. And who's the ringleader this time?
It's Mona. A pissed off, vengeful Mona who's sick of seeing Allison getting away with her happy life, facing no consequences, and pretending she's better now. In her words, all she was doing was revealing to Allison and everybody else who she really is beneath the surface. The whole story leads up to their one final showdown where Allison kills Mona then has to make her final choice: Does she run away again, go into hiding, and start another happy life - proving Mona's point? Or does turn herself in for everything she did and start taking the steps to be the better person that she wants to be?
(I have not seen a single episode of any PLL properties, so please forgive me for any inaccuracies.)
It would be so sad if Mona died tho mfkddk I'd rather Alison went to jail and Mona enjoyed the shit out of that, getting away with her own stuff. It would be like the final scene with Alex Drake and her mom, only it would make more sense and have a bigger impact
That’s a fan fiction story that should to be written
It's actually better than the series.
If you’re not a writer you should be
I find it incredibly hard to believe you haven’t seen a single episode of PLL.
I could see Alison as an "evil" teacher who is just nice to her problematic students so she can have new little lambs to control. But not as a protective mentor that she was in the show.
Also the show would have perfectly worked as a stand alone franchise with a random teacher that is not Alison...
You lost me at the point where Allison not only sees Mona - in her apartment! - but also realises that something messed up is going on and she just... stays? Like, go home to your wife and your kids, you've been through enough, you have no reason to deal with any of this.
The last season of PLL they beat it over the viewers head that Alison wanted a fucking family, then divorce her from Emily and had her move across the country away from her kids
@@Beyoncesinternet I thoght the point was Emily couldn't get past Alison's past actions and wanted a divorce so she doesn't really have anything to go back to.
@@lindseycassella3015 That in of itself makes zero sense. You don't marry someone if you don't trust them.
@@Beyoncesinternet I agree but the writing was inconsistent and I thought that was what Alison said.
Haven’t watched the video yet but it’s so clear that Marlene King was lucky that PLL had such a great cast and shocking moments that managed to get so many fans. I mean PLL was HUGE arguably the biggest teen show of the 10‘s…. But everything else she touched just bombed I think it just proofs that she isn’t really that good at creating a show… she’s more of a miss than hit
there's a reason season 1 and the first half of season 2 are the best overall..... the show went downhill when they tried to stop relying on the books plotlines. yeah the books are average at best when it comes to the writing, but the mystery itself was dope af.
@@jaman_jy I honestly enjoyed the first 4 seasons of PLL a lot even tho they weren’t perfect. I actually even enjoy the last seasons but The worst part about PLL is that they managed to always disappoint for the big reveals… they always had a good build up and then the reveal was bad. I wish someone more talented would’ve created PLL. But even at it’s lowest it never became as bad as Riverdale.
She's the same as the Ricardo/Roberto guy from Riverdale... and it's hard to think of Riverdale as a "hit"
@@juliabogajo i think Riverdale really benefited from having a great cast too. They’re all likable and have so many followers. Also Riverdale came right when TVD, PLL and Teen Wolf ended so it had the perfect time to snatch all teen show fans from them
@@jaman_jy the writing style is juvenile and unpolished but the plot and the characters are really really well done, sara shepard should've had a lot more input in the show
Two things. First, both Janel Parrish and Sasha Pieterse are criminally underrated actresses who deserve far better work (I will throw in Trojan Bellisario as well). It's a shame that they are primarily known for such melodramatic substandard work. And I am saying that as a fan of PLL.
Second, you make a good point about why Allison doesn't really deserve a happy ending. Now, I like a happy ending just as much as the next guy, but there comes a point where certain characters really don't deserve one due to their past actions and behavior. Dexter is another case in point where a character didn't earn a happy ending because of his many, many crimes. To give Allison (and Dexter though I haven't watched the reboot so I don't know what is going on with the character) a happy ending negates everything that character was in the first place.
I believe you are entirely correct with your assessments of both Pretty Little Liars and The Perfectionists. Despite some interesting concepts and ideas both suffered from a lack of good writing, good character development, and most of all, interesting conflict. My hat is off to you, Friendly Space Ninja. I don't know if I could ever again sacrifice so much of my time willingly on such poorly constructed ideas and plots. It all feels like a waste now punctuated by temporary bouts of enjoyment and interest that only string along the audience without giving any real conclusions.
bro who and wtf is dexter and what did he do to make everyone constantly reference him i need to know
@@ayah2114 You have never heard of Dexter? He is one of the greatest anti-heros. He is a serial killer of other serial killers.
@@Wkumar07 ive heard of him cuz like i said everyone’s always referencing him in the shows i watch but i dont know anything about it
I don't know I'd call Dexter's ending a happy one. He loses his sister, his son and Hannah. I mean sure, he's alive, but not exactly happy.
@@jimpapadakis7960 When the finale aired there were those who were unhappy with it because it felt so negative. I disagree with them.
The perfectionist books dealt with different things I never saw portrayed on camera. A girl who is the daughter of a hoarder, and how living in fifth with a mentally ill person effects her. The other girl was abused but it was portrayed in a different way, etc. a girl who acted like the movie (single white female) and stalked and imitated the popular girl. The books were so unique and they changed everything about it for the show.
Yes! I really enjoyed the books, more than the PLL and Lying Game books surprisingly. They benefitted a lot from only being two books so the writing was a lot tighter.
Well... That's a pity...
Umm actually it's the other way around. The girl who was abused died and the popular girl was the one developed a second personality (DID) and imitated her
@@eniolaidris5533 I was talking about the girl who was copying the popular girl. At first she wanted to be just like her and then she hated her. And I trying to not put direct spoilers about the abused girl
@@theclairewhy hey I heard that this show will not gonna have sequel ,you just said it actually got influenced by a book as though I am not that really adapt to reading ,can you say how actually this gonna end ,I mean actually I watched it a long ago but the end of the first season pointed with '?', like who is doing this everything , can you please give me a spoiler
If Alison ever did have a "happy" ending, I could see her being like her mother, married to Emily and being deceitful and manipulative and cheating...
I will never understand why Emison was ever together. 🤦🏽♀️😂
The worse part of this video for the fans of this franchise is that its now in the hands of the guy who made Riverdale...
Rest in peace and see you on the Friendly Space ninja video on it
NO
NONONONO
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS
Idk the actresses name but Nolan’s mom who also played Lily in gossip girl was literally made to play a rich powerful figure head haha
True and when her (Kelly Rutherford) reality is opposite is truly interesting. She went through literal poverty.
I remember watching it and was like: Lilly what are you doing here? 😳😱
Spotted: Lily van der Woodsen playing a rich woman in a different show
@@Missmagazinebura the way I read that in Kristen Bell’s voice, well played 😂
And the guy who played Dylan in this is now playing Obie in gossip girl reboot lol.
What upsets me is that the book series for the perfectionists was arguably better than the book series for PLL, but this… ain’t it.
I agree. I think The Perfectionists book series deserved an adaptation, but the one it got missed the mark. The issue with these spin offs is the idea that the fans will blindly follow anything vaguely related to the original work's premise. Sometimes that's just not enough and the spin off needs to be able to stand alone.
I think they should’ve just adapted the books as they were, because once these showrunners try to go on their own it’s so bad. The Perfectionists and The Lying Game were both really good but they couldn’t do Sara Shepard’s writing justice.
22:00 - one of the big mistakes the original PLL made, in my opinion, was diverging so much from the books in terms of the girls' friendship. In the books, the girls aren't really friends. They don't tell each other about the harassment from "A" until much later into the plot. The girls don't really hang out or talk, and that makes it a lot easier/more realistic for "A" to manipulate them. In the books, "Alison" (actually her evil twin Courtney) brings Spencer, Hanna, Emily, and Aria together despite them all being so different. The reason she does that is because she can't hang out with the real Alison's friends without giving herself away, and the core four are irrelevant enough at the time that she knows she can socially control them. So when Courtney is gone, there's really no reason for the core four to stay together. I think that made the books a lot more interesting than the show, and it makes more sense that the girls drifted apart after Alison disappears.
Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Alison herself the evil twin? And Courtney was the one who hung out with the liars and found dead in the first book?
@@jmd0605 yes. It’s honestly very confusing to talk about them and do it correctly because of how you have to word it. Because Courtney was pretending to be Alison and then Alison came back and killed Courtney and then Tourette’s the liars who believed Alison was Courtney only to find out the Alison they knew was actually Courtney. It’s super confusing but still a million times better than “ELLO SISTA”
@@jmd0605 Yeah my bad, lol, it's very confusing to talk about.
In a way you could say they're both evil twins. All the manipulation, blackmailing and bullying was done by Courtney pretending to be Allison and the real Allison would later come back to stalk and torture the girls
@eniolaidris5533 see how that sentence alone sounds so much better than what actually happened? That's such a better plot than whatever the hell that seven season disaster was. I stayed so confused during the series, and everyone was A because everyone was A. Every person was just a craptastic person and it was believable that just about anybody was A. Lol
I absolutely love how Kelly Rutherford sat in Sasha‘s apartment probably FOR HOURS in complete darkness only to be able to dramatically turn in the lamp when the latter finally came in
i’m gonna go ahead and say that if the show continued, we would have found out in season 4 that nolan was actually alive and pulled an alison.
and he had a secret british twin "ello brother"
i honestly feel bad for sara she writes dope books and crafts great mysteries and marlene king just. doesnt utilize any of that
Lol the fact they replaced Marlene with the show runner from Riverdale is kind of hilarious. It's like they hired a chef that baked a cake with chunks of chicken in it, and people thought it looked good until they bit into it and were like "WTF, is there chicken in this?" and hated it, so they decide to course correct by replacing that chef with one that already was known for baking cakes with pig feet inside lol.(edited, I don't know why my brain said her name was Kathleen instead of Marlene lol)
This is the funniest comparison I’ve ever seen
Isn't her name Marlene?
@@tonichan89 Lol it is in fact Marlene. I don't actually know where I got Kathleen from lol, it rhymes though. Same point though lol.
It sucks because the original book that the show was based on is so different from what the show ended up being. It had nothing to do with pretty little liars, and the protagonists were a group of 5 high school friends. The book was actually pretty interesting, and the revealed killer was so intriguing and genuinely shocked me. I was looking forward to the adaptation but they made it unrecognizable. Marlene just needs to let go of pll.
Yes, exactly my thoughts. I actually really enjoyed the book series and it had so much potential.
same! i loved the books and wish there were more than just 2
Hello, do I have to read the ppl books to read the perfectionists books?
@@oitotis no you do not
A thing that makes pll books better is that in the 2 acts of the books (the first eight books) they didn't considered themselves as friends because Alison disappeared for 3 years and they stopped hanging out since and they would literally deal with -A by themselves individually because they didn't trust each other and even thought that one of them could be -A which I think it was more accurate than the forced friendship that the show tried to show us.
@@npitzerwhat also annoyed me was the fact that the show refused to make the girls be outright horrible people at times. In the books, all of them were deeply, deeply flawed people who brought a lot of consequences upon themselves - A wasn't always tormenting them for funsies, but instead revealed what the liars had done (like when A told Sean that Aria was cheating on him with Ezra, which leads to Ezra being detained by the police). So a lot of the times, the books actually did make a valid point about how telling lies makes everything worse for yourself. Show-A was just torturing the girls for revenge (and later no actual reason), which made them into perpetual victims. Everything bad that she show-liars do has no consequences or it gets explained how they did it for a noble cause or whatever.
The books made the girls more realistic, and they actually had me going "Huh, they kinda deserved what they got" sometimes. The show just made them the goody goody protagonists who cannot do anything wrong.
The biggest reason Alison isn’t a good Protagonist is because she was never meant to be. In the books Alison was “Big A” and so cunning and manipulative and evil. That’s what made her a great character in the books. Marlina and the writers are were so lazy and unoriginal. I don’t get why they would mess her character up.
I think Alison could absolutely be a good protagonist, just not a morally good one. Having her be an unreliable narrator or morally gray would be a lot more interesting than giving her a redemption.
The twist about Alison in the book was so good when I read it as a teenager. I was so surprised the show didn’t do that
So I've never really seen PLL (or any spin-offs) but from everything I've heard and read, I always saw Alison as like this figure that people had a god-like level of fear for. And when I found out she was "redeemed" I was really confused. Like how do you redeem a 14/15 year old who blackmailed and tormented and harrassed like 99% of Rosewood?
Alison was not just a Mean Girl.
She was a Mob Boss.
Like you said she's a 14/15 year old child with a fucked up family, was SA by a twenty something cop and thought she was pregnant, literally assaulted and buried alive by her mom, and forced to go on the run for years. Alison was a bully, who was treated like an adult by every adult in this town, and bit them in the ass. The girl was traumatized, it's not shocking that it changed her. Who a person is in high school should not define them for the rest of their lives
@@Beyoncesinternet idk, no matter how much I try to look at the angle you're talking about, I just come up with the same conclusion that most of the things Alison faced are her own doings lol. Yea sure, her family is fucked up but nobody forced her to be a complete monster to her friends or schoolmates and stuff. She blinded Jenna because she's jealous and sent Toby(who's innocent) to jail and then blamed her friends for a crime she committed. What part of any of that sounds like "oh, she's been mistreated", she purposefully hangs out/lies to older guys to get with them (not supporting Wilden/board shorts, he sucks and is a pathetic excuse for a human being), and that's just a couple of the instances lol.
I love how the main guy in this show played an insanely boring character and goes on to being cast in the new HBO gossip girl to play yet ANOTHER insanely boring character
Yup what’s the point of Obie in gossip girl reboot besides the love triangle ?
@@Missmagazinebura the rebellious old money white boy trope. But Nate did it better
He and that chick from the Resident Evil Netflix show be kept far from a show as possible. She is 0/3 so far.
I lost it after they were like "we're a good team huh?" and then you proceeded to point out how their outing was a completely disastrous flop on every level ☠
Am I the only one that gets a fatphobic vibe with how the show treated Alison? Because when the actress was skinny, she was allowed to be a popular mean girl who did horrible acts to others. The actress started to gain weight thanks to her PCOS. Instead of letting her be the popular mean girl and a villain like she always was, they slowly declawed her and made her nice out of nowhere, coming off as completely OOC. Like they couldn't imagine a fat girl in that role. If that's the case, that's pretty fucked up.
no bc i thought it was just me 😭 it’s completely fucked up. it sucks bc sasha is such an amazing actress too
I’ve always said it, glad I’m not the only one who thinks this.
That's exactly why they did it ... To be fair tho Alison was the type to make fun of someone's appearance (she did make fun of Hanna for being chubby) and was very proud and manipulative with her looks, so all in all they decided to ignore it
Yes! And I felt like it made the actress uncomfortable, because when she is in flashbacks they have to do everything to hide her body so she looks like she did at the beginning of the show. And she's not acting as viciously in those flashbacks. Nor does her relationship with Emily have the same chemistry. Because they constantly cover her up or but her in bulky clothes.
I think Hannah could be a new mean girl if she wanted to
PLL Universe: Things can't get any worse for us.
Roberto, smashing through the wall like the Koolaid Man: Hold my beer--
I’ve always felt like the PLL group of girls were friends and drifted apart but were forced together for everyone’s benefit
Can you please do How To Get Away With Murder? The show was badass, but kinda went off the rails in later seasons
It really did. Nate and the whole of season 5 was a shitshow. A season just completely dedicated to making Bonnie suffer. It was so dumb. The one thing I truly hate about that show was that season (and Nate).
But they did make a masterpiece of making us root for flawed characters that were never presented as perfect to begin with, unlike pll
To be frank, HTGAWM was only good because Viola Davis was in it. But, like a burning building, if you don't put out the fire at some point, it's all gonna collapse on the firefighters trying to get people out.
As a pretty huge One Piece fan I followed a man spending almost 25 years crafting a story with characters that truly became a found-family. How much easier it could have been if at one point they just told us that they are a family now.
One piece is now in the endgame
'Bootleg Newt Scamander' YOU'RE SO RIGHT OMG HOW I DID I NOT MAKE THAT CONNECTION??????
Freeform: Acquires rights to adapt books.
Also Freeform: Don't even bother adapting most of the actual books.
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And at a really great rate, too. Some channels that do long form videos will go months without a new video. I'm so grateful Space Ninja posts as often as he does.
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"Its like the writers see Alison as Prince Zuko, when really she's always been more like Azula" EXACTLY THIS YES 👏
i never watched any of these shows but you talking about them is 100% more entertaining
The most disappointing and depressing thing in Marlene king work is it's always pointless and leads to nothing. The story keeps build up endlessly. It's like numbing shows without any point and actually for how bad they're you suffer seasonal affective disorder. I don't know if it's intentional or she's tying the hands of the producers to renewing her shows and keep paying her.
I recommend the books because they're a lot better since Sara Shepard actually knows how to write a mystery. It's a duology consisting of The Perfectionists and The Good Girls and Ali and Mona are not in it at all. It's not even connected to PLL.
It might have been cool for them to make Mona the “perfectionist” and have that reveal like right off the bat and then have Alison figure it out because she recognizes the tricks and everything and then they could go from there? Idk if it would work I’ve never seen either show
the professor u mean?
That would be weird asf. Why would Mona do that
this looks really bad, might give it a watch
Lol there is nothing I love more than a badly written badly acted TV series
I think this channel is about documenting/dissecting Marlene's king failures
And is the best one doing so 🥳🤗💙😂
So he needs to do Famous In Love? 🤣
Ok some quick solutions to make this a better show:
- They can't tell the cops, not because of the cop, but because it'd end up in reports, and it'd get out. They say this with that one girl's parents, who are on the run. It was revealed her parents were criminals and on the run, and her life become so much harder for it. It was supposed to be a secret, especially since it's an active case, but someone revealed it anyways.
- Amp up their secrets. An affair on his boyfriend? Show Nolan half flirting, half threatening the guy. Show how after the first time sleeping with him, the guy gets more and more reluctant to continue their flirtship and their affair, but Nolan keeps threatening him, using him, and creating that sense of deep shame abuse victims often feel (The feeling that keeps them from coming forth, thinking that everything was their fault anyways). Also, show him actively wanting to kill him, keep the mystery alive. (For Nolan's public girlfriend and secret girlfriend, show him abusing both of them as well. More reasons for them to not talk, more reasons to suspect any of them of murder. Adds to how terrible Nolan was.)
- The Newt Character? Show what he did. Maybe it was like, drugging Nolan before he 'killed himself' and have him think he caused Nolan's death. They interrogate him, and he confesses, clearing him of murder. The characters DON'T kill him, because that's a violent crime and we've seen nothing that proves they'd do anything violent. He instead joins in helping investigate and he then becomes a sound board, talking about how he was working to escape Nolan's abuse, and he helps other characters realize they were abused and helps them to come forward about everything, ruining Nolan's reputation slowly but surely.
- The PLL characters act as a mirror to the situation. It's repeating and they're going over their own stories and fixing where they went wrong, in part by helping the new kids.
Edit: Also no Professor. Get rid of that bit. It's useless.
I'm not fully sure of anything I've written but it took too damn long to not comment. I'd imagine this is all in like 10 episodes, with the almost murder happening at like ep 5. Each character would get an ep (2, 3 and 4) to dive DEEP into their abuse. To show why they'd want to kill him. Ep 6 is diving into Newts backstory and him endearing himself into the fellow people Nolan abused. Eps 7 and 8 would be working through a lot of trauma, getting over the emotions to get to the truth of what actually happened and why, and combining that with Newt's story. Ep 9 is them figuring out the rest of the murder mystery, figuring out which of them killed Nolan, and a climatic interrogation / confession scene (The murderer would be one of the main three, but it'd have been some sort of "I shoved him hard, and he fell out the window." sort of murder. It'd be manslaughter). Ep 10 is the conclusion. It'd only be a half episode, dedicated to showing what happened after the conclusion. (They fix their broken relationships and finally come clean to the cops, saying it was just a suicide, but that they were lying about their relations with Nolan as he was very abusive. They express that Newt and the killer both had an argument with him the day he died, and then, cuz rich, they pay off the cops to not investigate further. You see them finally at Nolan's funeral, where they conclude the emotional arcs as each character talks to his grave. The final scene is the three friends finally being bonded, maybe not like family, but certainly a real bond.)
Oh they need to hire you ASAP
Really interesting idea. I think the show would have been better if it didnt have any PLL characters and just focused on a new town and new liars. Which is what was promised but didnt deliver. I like the idea of the Newt character and his secret with Nolan much better than what happened to him in the show.
If you’re interested in other Sara Shepard properties the lying game is a wild ride from what I remember
oh my god i totally forgot about the lying game!
That was a good book and the show was so weird
I read the Perfectionist books when they came out and I loved them. I was so excited when they announced they were doing this show and I was so disappointed to see what they did with it. They had a great script handed to them but instead of using it and improving on it they changed it to PLL 2.0
“They say Aria is smart !”
*Spencer leaves the room*
Did anyone else who watched the show think it was really funny how everyone kept going “Allison you look just like the dead girl Taylor” but they’re just both blonde and blue eyed? They look nothing alike and I kept thinking about it whenever they were on screen together.
I really feel like the perfectionists could have done well without being a PPL sequel and obviously without Marlene King. I got through the first half of episodes when it was on, but it did bore me by the end. It’s was okay though, not bad, not good, just okay.
I can’t believe I literally had no clue this show ever existed
So much recycling, Marlene King is really saving the planet by herself
Another good thing: Kelly Rutherford was pretty good in the role but they just didn't use her enough.
That rant at 36:00 or so had me rolling hahahaha. The frustration was palpable. I'm glad you waste your time and brain cells on bad shows for this top-notch content and I'm sorry for that but thank you so much.
the thing i don’t get with shows like pll and (og) gossip girl, is their need to be contrary when their core audience figures out a LOGICAL culprit. Do none of these writers understand that good storytelling means leading w/ clues the audience CAN figure out, so that when they finally pull the rug out, it has more impact? millions of people watched these shows, you can’t just pick the least likely person so you can say “Gotcha!” ??? It just makes everyone mad bc they wasted their time when they could have been writing fanfic lol
Everyone thinks Marlene is bad, Roberto is going to make Original Sin a 9 Season multiverse anthology, let the franchise go Hollywood
Don't forget the musical episodes that will no doubt be thrown in.
Lol 9 seasons is too much
This is a great way to watch PLL without having to watch any of the shows!
They were really beating a dead horse by involving Mona and Alison into the plot. The perfectionists books were amazing as a standalone series (I think only one character from them showed up in one of the PLL books, so same universe). It's obvious they should have left PLL out of this and make it it's own thing, but I guess after the Lying Game books adaptation they thought PLL would keep everything afloat...
Honestly, I agree with you on Alicen's character, but Ah man, gotta love how they split up the two women who ended up together, then introduced the plot point that there is another married pair of women... who's plot revolves around the fact that one of them is cheating on the other. Representation, yay....
I've seen so many goddamn shows where they go 'hey look, WLW!,' then turn around and go 'oh, it's not working out actually. One of them is cheating and/or leaving their partner for a younger woman' and act like they did a good job. If it's not that, they just get axed off, or they're not allowed to actually say they're gay.
Edit: Oh goodie, the gay men also have a 'one of them cheated' subplot, who would have f*cking guessed!
I think a big problem of PLL and The perfectionist was that they strayed too far away from the source materials, the stories there while not flawless made more sense in the big revelations.
However, (as you mentioned on your PLL video) King decided to sacrifice good story telling to create “shocking unexpected” revelations that made zero sense and were just there to “subvert” the audience expectations, but the novels are not as known as the series, the shock would have worked as good as they did there.
I don't think enough people appreciate your music it's really good!
We do. It's just hard not to be distracted by the content and commenting on that. The relaxed background sound sets an amazing tone to the video.
Just a regular old murder mystery? I'm not sold on the premise of the show. Why doesn't Alison leave this one to the authorities? I see no reason why she'd be invested in figuring out who's the murder or the "shady" business going on with the school's founder.
Maybe I'm missing it but are we given as reason as to why Alison would be invested in this mystery?
I read the books when they were first published in german - and they were pretty great. I hate it, that they put characters from PLL in the TV adaption because of fanservice ... and altering the complete plot because why not?
39:04 I will say though, the line does work for Ava. I mean, her birth family (the only family she ever knew) went on the run without a word as to where they were going, and I get that they probably did it to protect her, but it also definitely left her with abandonment issues (I don't remember if it was something they did a lot, but they've definitely been gone a while even if this is the first time it's happened). So for Ava to latch on to a group of friends and consider them family...that DOES make sense for her, since she doesn't have a stable family life really. This group is probably the closest thing she has to stability
As a fan of the books I was absolutely horrified to hear that Marlene was dropping Allison and Mona into the story, why even use The Perfectionists if it's just another PLL crapshoot? These books are genuinely amazing I really wish Marlene would take a Sara Shepard series and just follow the actual plot points from the books goddamn
i appreciate this review because it didnt spend half the video asking "where's spencer?" and also aria was written that way because she was expected to be revealed as A (at least thats where i thought they were going), but only wasnt A because marlene king was more concerned with fooling the audience than telling a good story.
Even Lucy Hale herself believed Aria was A from the very beginning. She wanted Aria to be A and was convinced from beginning to end that she would be.
Marlene really shot herself in the foot not making the final A someone we have known from the very beginning. Instead she went for cheap shock value.
I really think Aria as A, should have be made canon.
From what it sounds like, if the reboot had been more direct about who Allison really was and what she really did, she would’ve been a way edgier protagonist.
i just hope one day good writers and producers come together to create a good mystery drama that is 2-3 seasons based in college that actually makes sense and gives you a satisfying ending
you forgot the worst part: the two book series it's based on (the perfectionists and the good girls) are insanely good. the five main characters are solid and the reason they are working together makes sense but the distrust is always there because they really didn't know each other before hand. all their backgrounds, motivations, and story arcs made sense for them. AND it has a better plot twist than anything marlene king has ever done or could every do. it's so insanely good it makes you rethink the whole series and everything you knew about multiple characters. they were given such good material to work with, and they changed and got rid of everything except for three characters names (ava and kaitlyn and nolan) and the setting and the title. it's so infuriating i could have seen the books portrayed on screen and they got rid of everything that made it good, and to add salt to the wound, added crappy marlene king writing. the biggest disappointment of an "adaption" and i don't even want to call it that.
Yes, they literally got rid of everything that happened in the books, the plot lines, the premise of the characters, the main five girls, their story arcs, their backgrounds, their motivaciones, the supporting characters, everything. It does not even make sense to call it adaptation because this not a adaptation at all, it’s something else.
Is no one gonna mention how The perfectionists completely ignored Mona's ending in pll 🥴
I didn't bother watching The Perfectionists because I knew Marlene King was the showrunner and everything she has done turns to shit like Pretty Little Liars or gets cancelled so I knew better than to get invested.
From someone who read The Perfectionist series I refused to even watch the series. Alison and Mona weren't in the novel. The book series had no link to the PLL series. Anyway fingers crossed Original Sin will be better.
Seeing Lily Van Der Woodsen threw me out 😂
sometimes i can't help but wonder if Marlene Kings has some trauma linked to her parents or adults in general bc the "adults" representation and comunication it's so f-ed up in every one of her shows
they definitely could have taken alison as a protagonist in the direction of "she's so haunted by the people she hurt before she's developed a savior complex that she can't be a bystander in seeing other people who she resonsates with hurt others or get hurt. she wants to make up for all the horrible things she's done in rosewood" but instead it's just "im a TA and im here to help" she never kept anything from the students that made them dislike her at any point, mona and ali never had a breaking feud that split them up. mona never used anything alison did to her in the past against her to make her untrustworthy. they definitely could have brought her b!tchy elements back without losing her as a protagonist but of course they didn't.
PLL was a guilty pleasure for me so I was happy to check out Perfectionists... I got through 1 episode. When I saw it was Alison and Mona I was hoping they would be at each other's throats whilst trying to be level headed adults protecting these college kids from something similar to the hell they went through. It could have been something really fun. Instead it was all boring and the shortcoming were more obvious than PLL
99.99% of what you're saying is straight up facts, however, I'm pretty sure Ava did have a secret. Det. Booker was not only questioning Ava about her parents location (which she truthfully did not know), but also the whereabouts of the hundreds of thousands of dollars that they embezzled (which we saw her dip into before). She has been carefully and methodically spending embezzled funds.
I only have exposure to this kind of shows by watching those videos , and it always amazing to see how attractive EVERYONE is.
One positive thing I can say is Mona and Ava KNOW HOW TO GIVE LOOKS. They can dress that's for sure
"It is now known as one of the most hated endings in television history." The same can be said about Games of Thrones (from what I've heard, didn't follow it), How I Met Your Mother and Supernatural. Maybe the last two are more divisive (because some people like the endings and other loathe them) than PLL and GOT's endings? I'm not sure.
I think the ending of HIMYM was even worse because the last season was amazing and then they went and fucked it all up during the last episode. It felt like a betrayal because it was so enjoyable and then they went and stabbed us all in the back with that fucking ending. PLL has been bad for a couple of seasons when it ended so people just weren’t as invested anymore and watched more out of habit and just to get it over with if that makes sense?
HIMYM’s ending makes my blood boil to this day and I’ve never been able to rewatch the show because of it. With PLL it was more like: yeah it was shit anyways😅
I was sad about HIMYM but at least it was just the last season. I love supernatural too much to be subjective with it, I love everything they do! PLL though was such a huge disappointment because it had gone downhill but I kept watching with hope for a good ending. I felt exactly how I feel after a failed relationship, so many years wasted. It’s the only show I’ve watched that I never want to rewatch 😂
The SPN ending pisses me off until today. They took away 15 years of character development. People could watch this after the pilot and understand everything. Also, the whole "Family don't end with blood" mantra meant nothing because they went to all ends to show on screen that only blood family is important because for some reason they ignored everyone else. And no, Covid is not an excuse, so many other shows filmed during Covcid too and they did fine. They WANTED to write that shitty stupid ending.
@@EstherRab Oh, I fully agree. Edit: it especially resonates with me that you said you can't rewatch it because I feel the same esp re: any episode with small moments between Barney and Robin. Arrrrgh.
@@JuLiane Yes, I agree with you fully. I don't even know what they were trying with that stupid ending. I'll start a whole rant here if I get into it so I'm going to restrain myself.
Marlene King should've stuck to the source material for pretty little liars and I think The Perfectionists is also a novel by the author who wrote pretty little liars.
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I think a lot of people also were mad they broke up Alison and Emily. Which I myself never saw them working anyway so that in particular didn’t bother me.
My main problem is that it could have been great had it been made by someone other than Marlene. It had all the right ingredients to be a stupid yet entertaining show like PLL was.
But unfortunately because of Marlene’s insistence to try to be smarter than her audience instead of sticking to things that make sense, it really fell flat.
I mean, they just got married, and then they immediately got divorced?
I literally swear to god, Friendly Space Ninja might as well be changed to *The World's Greatest TV Show Criticizer* He's fucking legendary
20:09 Honestly I'd love to see a video on How to Get Away With Murder
I never saw the original pretty little liars, but I loved you video about it. I didn’t watch the sequel but was hoping it would be good for your sake. When I saw this thumbnail, I clicked with a heavy heart.
Yes alison' was great as a villain I hated that they tried to redeem her that was a big mistake
I thought The Perfectionists was better than latest seasons of PLL. Too bad it got cancelled.
Allison’s potential is really untapped, instead of education, she should have started working in the FBI. She would be so great at manipulating all the suspects to tell her the truth.
Interesting breakdown as always. Will you look at Dexter and its current "New Blood" sequel too, one of these days?
It's funny to me that Dexter was mentioned in the comments here because the main dude from this PLL spin off looks like he could be Brian's son. lol
Marleen has been frothing at the mouth trying to succeed at found family tropes 😭