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Building the Ultimate Macintosh "Bridge" Machine... out of a Modern NAS
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- Опубліковано 16 кві 2021
- Thanks PCBWay.com - Today we're taking a modern NAS, graciously donated to the channel, and seeing if we can turn this into the ultimate bridge machine for vintage Macs! Can we use this thing to make files available to all of our vintage machines? Better yet... can we get it to run Snow Leopard Server?!
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The reason Mac OS crashes in VirtualBox on newer hardware is because older Mac OS kernels are not compatible with modern Intel CPUs. You need to change the virtual machine to make it believe it's running on a (iirc) Core 2 Duo, even though it's running on something much newer. GeekLAN goes into it in his blog post called "Virtualising retail Mac OS X images on OS X with virtualbox" (not pasting the link so UA-cam doesn't eat the comment lol). Hope it helps!
Oh that's extremely helpful thank you!
I think, if you paste the link, it automatically goes into "Potentially spam" on the user's UA-cam channel, and UA-cam doesn't notify them that there are comments waiting to be approved. The change was done in response to bots spamming links to adult entertainment websites.
I've actually had no issues running macs in VMware ESXi which also gives a console in a modern web browser. Sure you need to run a script to enable mac support at all and then tweak a couple of advanced settings but beyond that it's basically good to go. Boots straight from an original iso, no issues with 10.6 Server, works great.
Given the constrains of the Asustor box (mostly only 8 GB of RAM) I wouldn't think nesting ESXi _inside_ VirtualBox would work but in a pinch as a proof of concept maybe.
I bought a copy of Snow Leopard, back when physical discs still existed, specifically to try a Hackintosh. I had this exact same problem on the mini ITX 1U rack-mounted audio workstation I was building at the time. In my case, the fix was to install the update package to 10.6.whatever-it-was-at-the-time. You had to be quick. Get through the install, reboot, apply that combo update, and hope it all got done before the kernel panicked. After that, sunshine and rainbows.
OS X 10.5 server runs on my 5th gen Core i5.
I’ve never got it running under Vbox however I’ve always had to use VMware
Hey Action Retro! Thanks for featuring our NAS! If anyone has any questions or comments, feel free to let me know and I'll get back to you with an answer. Thanks everyone!
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@@avacado6399 ASUS Storage! ASUSTOR!
@@ptzzz Their marketing team finally got budget for these placements! :)
@@ASUSTOR_YT yh i know what it means
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but genuinely looking at videos about your network attached storage devices they seem well implumented
i'd love to mess with these things to see what its capable off
You’ve really become one of the leading channels for those of us dealing with old macs. Very grateful for your content!
Thank you!!
Huh, Micheal MJD had gotten the exact same thing... That guy at asustor really likes retro stuff and uses them as advertising XD
Yeah, that's interesting, I've seen his video too
Why not? If it makes someone's life easier.
@@ASUSTOR_YT Oh, hey! Thanks for the awesome content from my favorite UA-camrs
@@auzzey7037 No worries!
@@ASUSTOR_YT To be honet, those integration spots on many different youtubers' channels i watch came out amazing! This series of products seems to be really nicely built and i'll surely check them out!
I wanna hang out with the asustor guy that is subbed to the same retro tech channels as I am (action retro, michael mjd) 😆
Gotta say, the advertising is working... Seriously considering getting an Asustor NAS now lol
@@seshpenguin You have a retro ally in ASUSTOR. I plan to entrench support for retro in the company.
@@ASUSTOR_YT you are cool people over there
@@_anormalhedgehog Appreciated!
@@ptzzz Yea I am him. But I just want to use my personal account to support the YES. I don't talk about work on my personal account.
You can actually use clover or open core to boot into snow leopard nowdays, both bootloaders now supports prettymuch all the 64 bits version of os x and the open core 32 bit version can boot os x 10.4 to 10.7 just fine
Also virtualbox is capable of booting snow leopard with it's bult in os x bootloader
I miss the way old versions of Mac OS used to look... death to flat design! Viva skeuomorphism!
I wish NAS manufacturers start using a powerplugs with a latch instead of those barrel plugs you risk to disconnect by mistake.
Point taken! We do have a screw on the back that has a clip to secure the cable to the NAS. It's included with every NAS in the box.
Great video as always! I used an old iBook as a bridge machine until I set up A2SERVER (netatalk) on a Raspberry Pi. I can connect to it with my modern Mac, vintage Macs, and even my IIgs!
It might not be in the spirit of retro, but doesn't Linux support netboot servers? I imagine you add the ISOs and that's it (haven't attempted it myself yet, I don't have enough machines to justify it)
It's a nightmare to set up Netboot natively and I've never got it to work quite right even after pouring hours into BSD and Darwin lol.
@@allycat7699 I think the best solution for netboot actually comes from micro$haft... WDS works quite nicely in my Active Directory Domain but that's windon't only of course.
@@nilswegner2881 Yeah Netinstall/ Netboot is an Abble branded thing for like a pxe-like boot installer for OS X. Abble being Abble makes it's difficult cause they only want host & client to run on their hardware.
@@allycat7699 okay, i didn't know that. I thought we were talking about pxe in general.
@@nilswegner2881 No worries! Thanks for the tip anyways! ^^
Just today I created an AppleTalk server between my iMac G3 and Powerbook 520c!
The floppy drive died so that was the only option. What a coincidence the same day I set up a bridge machine you upload a video about one
Heyy we are LAN IP range besties, haha! My NAS is on .40 though.
Super awesome!!!
I always kept an Xserve G4 around for running server 10.3.9 so I could NetBoot OS9 on the old PPC macs I collected over the years. Eliminated any need for hdd on the macs. Was a darn shame when I came home one day to find it dead and I was never able to get it running again.
Oh no! Xserve G4 is so cool!
How do you netboot and netinstall today, since there is no current version of MacOS Server...?
Typically you don't - to provision new macs as a business (as you would normally have used network install to do) you enrol them into DEP, then on first time setup, they talk to Apple and download all the configuration they're meant to have. This is "better" as its unavoidable, and uses the Mac's serial # to run - so if you, the user, decide to wipe your mac yourself, it'll still go talk to DEP and download all your company's config.
Netboot at home was never really a thought - so the new version basically works like iCloud lock but for business
as shown in a jeffs video (the one where he makes a raspberry pi nas) video there is a second SODIMM slot under the black cover which is why there is a split
Yeah... i was gonna say.....
very cool
"multibeast"
*dies inside*
You actually didn't have to use a seperate bootloader for the OS X server install since Virtualbox can actually boot directly from the OS X disc image if it is in UEFI mode like it was when the VM was creatred but if you make any small change to the hardware setup on it it loses the UEFI mode and the capability to boot OS X for some reason which is why it could see the iBoot disc after you changed the SATA controller to ICH6 and yes, it can only boot OS X on the original configuration
Oh dude, I was thinking about OS X server just the other day! My late 2005 15" G4 Powerbook (A1138) finally arrived from Germany, so I was re-watching your minecraft on a G4 Cube video. When I originally watched your video, I got thinking how well it would run on the higher-spec 15" model after seeing minecraft run surprisingly well on your 12" Powerbook, and I commented as much on your video.
Which of course lead to trawling eBay for one. Took a saved search and a few weeks, but one finally popped up in Germany, so I bid on it and managed to grab it for a reasonable price! The seller shipped it very quickly, but the German postal service and DHL had other ideas. It managed to clear export customs in a reasonable time, but sat "loading" (in German "beladung") for over two months!
It finally arrived last week, so I threw in a MSATA to 2.5" IDE converter and 128GB SSD, and installed Leopard without issue. Unfortunately the battery is completely dead, so it has to stay tethered to the power brick. And it only came with 512MB of RAM, so I've ordered a couple of 2GB sticks to upgrade it.
Anyway, I also re-watched your video about installing a minecraft server on a PowerMac G5, which got me thinking about OS X server, and whether I could install it in a VM on my VMware server. So I hope you get it working on your NAS, because now I'm really interested to see what you can do with it!
I have 4 older Lenovo/Iomega ix2's that support AFP and SMB1, it's nice to know that there is a replacement product if these fail since Lenovo doesn't make a similar product anymore.
Maybe see if you can run QEMU or KernelVM on it - more people have had luck tricking OSX under those VMs, the NAS is running Linux so you should be able to get a deb or rpm file installed
KVM is actually built into the Kernel if i'm not mistaken
@@nilswegner2881 Yeah, I'm pretty sure you need to edit your kernel for IOMMU stuff, needed if you're wanting to pass through PCIe and chipset devices.
@@amirpourghoureiyan1637 yup but kvm itself is builtin
where did you get mountain Lion server from. Also you can image os drives with updates and everything installed
I plan on doing this, once I get a totally stable install
@@ActionRetro you could use a Mac Pro 1,1 or early Mac mini.
@@Snoods05 I do have a spare early intel mac mini laying around. maybe i'll just sit it on top of the nas and netbook from there :)
Another good option for the VM would be Windows 2000 Server with Macintosh File & Print Services enabled. Hadn't thought about that since it was relevant! Backing up my PB 520c running System 7.5 and a bunch of old Zip Disks over AppleTalk/EtherTalk using this method after setting up a win2k VM this afternoon. Initially started with a Win 2003 VM, but the File and Print services for Macintosh are apparently dropped support for earlier version of AppleTalk.
Very cool.
Ah man that G4 powerbook was my first computer. I wish I had a clue what I was doing - when I eventually broke the screen while traveling plus the power blocks kept dying, I just left it for dead then decided to smash it to pieces because I thought it was broken. Derpy
18:15 I was watching the PowerBook when i asked myself is that a speaker grill on the top of the screen (just like the iphones) xd
Which version of Netatalk does it support? Is it V2 which is usable on as old as system 7? Or V3 which can be used on 8+?
10/10 videa
cool stuff
at 18:02 then cursed mac appears
Great Solution Sean I Have To Invest In Some Type mass Storage Device My Self Like You I Have Hard Drives All Over The Place Great Video Sean
Asked the guy on Michael mjds video on this if it supported AFP and he mentioned he sent you one. Been waiting for this 😁
Lmao. Hi again!
nice
When the NAS has better specs than my computer.
that was cool enjoy it thank you
4x12tb drives is way overkill for this but, WOW lol
And if that NAS could talk it would say:
"OMG, what is he doing!?!? OMG... NO! NOOOOO!!! I'm melting! Melting! Meeeeeeeeeellllttttingggg!!!!"
=P
10.5 Server was allowed to be virtualised on VMware Fusion on Mac hardware, just FYI. I have VMware Fusion 3 running on Leopard on my Bridge Mac mini and I get the option for 10.5 Server, 10.5 Server 64 bit, 10.6 Server and 10.6 Server 64 bit.
Ah good to know, thank you!
Very ironic that VirtualBox is used for the machine. I've found out from my coworkers trying to upgrade to Apple Silicon that VirtualBox is not supported with Rosetta 2 let alone native (or Apple silicon Macs). So far there's no indication that it will support ARM. Might mean I have to seriously think about when to upgrade my 15" MBP (IE when is it worth it for my work environment to patch a different VM: where the VM is used for running a local WordPress site).
I just set up a Bridge Machine out of a Raspberry Pi running Ubuntu and the netatalk package to make it an AFP server
What's that pci-e port used for, if it isn't used for anything I had I could get a hackintosh running on there, as long as the cpu supports vtd
Edit: I just looked it up, that's where the sata backplane plugs into, also that nas is 800 bucks here, with no drives
@@TunsaMcHaggis Where
Could you install a modern Linux system on the NAS like Manjaro and install an updated virtual machine of MacOS on it and accomplish the same thing? I was just wondering if that would work.
Assuming the NAS has openssh-server installed; why not use kvm & qemu and xforward virt-manager? Runs wayyyyy better than Virtual Box in my experience, might have better luck with getting that 10.6 server vm stable by passing it that very special "guarded words" OSK, in the XML file. Also might not make a difference with the 10 base old AFP clients but having a m.2 set as a cache drive would be great on your more modern shares. Also depending on the distro loaded on the NAS you can do an AFP server on Linux natively with netatalk and avahi-daemon, and even OS9 will see it. The best part is, is that any Mac running Time Machine will automatically see the share on your local network as a time capsule, and can be backed-up to with out having to edit any playlist files like you would to backup time machine to a samba share. Tho I've never been able to get Netboot/Net Install to work quite right on natively, I've read it is possible using a combo of BSD and Darwin of all things... Thanks for the video! ^^
My bridge machine is just a mobo with onboard SATA and PATA and a SCSI-Card plugged in - ye I'm swappin' Harddrives.
RAID them Zips.
Dayum!!!!!!
You didn't have to remove the motherboard to upgrade the RAM, the black plastic has a flap on the underside of the motherboard with a second empty memory slot
Did... that laptop have an internal ZIP drive?
Thought about getting asustor but at $549 (AS6604AT) for only 4 bay.. i can get a synology 8 bay factory refurb for $479 and that will accept two additional DX 4 bay expansion units
asustor is cool but not sure its $549 cool thats a lot of cheese , even at 479 im struggling at pulling the trigger.
Well... refurb is gonna be cheaper.
We do have budget 2.5G options coming out very soon.... Check out our Nimbustor series as well! Why don't you give me a shout at contactarealtechie@asustor.com and I can offer some suggestions. No pressure sales, just knowledge and you can make an informed decision as to what is right for you.
This is my Apple Server dream, just a bit cluttered and with a lot less things.
We're actively working on finding a way to make sure OSX Server 10.6 works smoothly on VirtualBox.
@@ASUSTOR_YT Cool
You don’t need a bridge machine. I have two Zip drives, one is SCSI and one is USB. I use a modern Mac to download vintage software, create a disk image with an emulator then use DD to write the disk image to the zip. Then I just run the software from the other zip.
Try out KVM
Heh I just found my bridge machine built from a Panasonic Toughbook running debian 9.
VMware works better for running OS X guests than VirtualBox.
deja vu
Supports AFP? **looks at it suspiciously** Yeah, but how long do they expect to support this?
I've been burned before! Okay, I haven't. I'm just mad Apple dropped it in the latest post High Sierra world (or at least made it complicated with APFS).
We plan to support AFP indefinitely. We do not intend on dropping support.
@linustech
But can it run crysis?
no views pog
This video has mostly just showed me how much better the Synology DSM series is than this hardware; the RAM and m.2 upgrade is entirely toolless, the UI for configuring that stuff is really straightforward, and it lets you run virtualbox over a web interface using a web-based VNC frontend that works ridiculously well.
The amount of screws you have to take out makes it seem like they really don't want you to upgrade that storage geez.
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You didn't proof it runs Minecraft?
0/10 wouldn't trust this NAS
Lmao
meh... this is way too fidgety and expensive. just buy a use mac mini, install server, and play away!
Second!
Bloody sick of seeing this drive!
The hand waving is annoying
Some proprietary sh*tty NAS instead of HP Microserver Gen8 with normal customisation and price.