The NWOBHM: Ranking Our Top 20 Favorite Albums...Not Including the Big 4 (w/Martin Popoff)
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- Join Pete Pardo & Martin Popoff as they rank their top 20 NWOBHM albums, not including albums by the big 4 bands (Iron Maiden, Def Leppard, Motorhead, and Saxon) #nwobhm
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The first concert I ever saw was Raven in the Dynamo club in Eindhoven 1982, Wiped Out just came out. I was twelve years old. My older brother and his friends took me along. I played Wiped Out a gazillion times back then. Amazed by Faster Then the Speed of Light! Never looked back. Great to see it mentioned. Cheers!
I remember seeing Samson with Bruce Dickinson and thinking, wow what a voice.
I saw Samson with Dickinson at the Reading Rock Festival in 1980 and I thought....meh! Also at that festival were Iron Maiden, who were brilliant! Imagine my disappointment, then, when Dickinson replaced Di' Anno 😢. I still haven't recovered.
@@philjm3103 Pavarotti would sound shit on a festival PA!!! 🤣
Popoff and Pardo are at it again with what they state is the finale of the NWOBHM series. This has been such an enjoyable series as it covers a time period when my post-college career was beginning to really take hold and the effort being put in there seems to have blocked me off from a lot of this music - particularly since the radio channels - AM & FM - down here in north central Florida (US) didn't seem to play much or any of this. Only familiarity with these albums has come from watching the SoT channel since early 2000. Couldn't even begin to rank 20 so will just repeat the continued awe of width and depth of Martin and Pete's knowledge and ability to make these discussions and lists so interesting. Thanks once again, gents. There ya go!
I'd like to recommend the most seriously underrated album of this period ( not by these guys they covered it extensively) but the Tygers of Pantang Spellbound album with John Sykes. I still break this out for people and it always gets alot of interest , Gangland is so damn catchy , if your going to start getting some albums from this era ,this one is a keeper along with Maiden and Def Leppard etc
Of course
@@danzemacabre8899 Thanks for taking the time to reply and make a recommendation. Actually listened to this after P&P's show on Friday and really enjoyed it. Appreciate your thoughts.
Would've been nice having Phil Aston guesting on this topic, he was actually in a NWOBHM band, none other than The Handsome Beasts! Played guitar on that debut album with the most unforgettable cover of the history of the movement, if I ain't mistaken.
I had no idea, and I've watchd some of his videos and seen him gueston he channel. tha's pretty wild. Andyeah cool album, don't know about tat cover haha
Excellent episode! Great call on both debuts of Waysted and Fastway not being talked about enough.
Great stuff!!! I'm from Brazil!! Always watching your videos since 2019. Cheers!! 😊
I learned about the NWOBHMB's from Hit Parader magazines in the 80's
when they did their annual guides of Heavy Metal music especially those
from the UK and these were some of the bands that they often included
i really miss Hit Parader and other rock magazines like that thanks.🎸🎸
I used to read Hit Parader in the 70's (during my teens) - and stopped right before they turned into a metal mag (not my thing). Their HQ is actually not far from me here in CT. It's where I got my periodic Led Zep & Bad Co updates. I believe internal shakeups in their staff coincided with them going primarily metal in the early 80's (which reportedly also jacked up their sales $'s). Circus & Creem were a couple of others - never got into Rolling Stone 😒
I love both the Fastway and Waysted albums. "All Fired Up" is great too.
Really enjoyed the episode. Glad Martin mentioned Angel City as an aside and that Pete included Girlschool, if only as a honorable mention.
Another great episode about a short but classic movement in the history of Heavy Metal. Thanks!
I look forward to Friday morning at the Fun House every Friday. Thanks guys, really enjoy your show
This was fun to do listening to all these through the week! my top three bands dominated my list! LOL!
20. Night Of The Demon
19. Wiped Out
18. Play Dirty
17. Spellbound
16. Crazy Nights
15. Death Penalty
14. Friends Of Hell
13. Loose And Lethal
12. See You In Hell
11. Demolition
10. The Unexpected Guest
9. At War With Satan
8. Lightning To The Nations
7. Screaming Blue Murder
6. Rock Til You Drop
5. Angel Witch
4. Welcome To Hell
3. Hit And Run
2. All For One
1. Black Metal
Honorable Mentions: Time Tells No Lies and Shock Tactics
excellent
@@independenceltd. Thanks Independence!
GIRLSCHOOL F'N RULES! Nice list!
@@treff9226 Thanks treff!!!
A lot of missing gems in these rankings:
Holocaust - the nightcomers
Gaskin - end of the world
Jaguar - power games
A II Z - witch of Berkeley
Fist - back with a vegeance
And so many more, rather than picking only Tank and Gillan:
Dark Star
Cloven hoof
Bitches sin
Trespass
Heritage
Vardis
Hellanbach
Chateaux
Geddes Axe
…
I don't think Trespass or Geddes Axe ever put out an entire album. Just demos and EPs.
@@pvdguitars2951 right on! That Holocaust album kicks ass
I remember reading about, different occasions, Venom's first 7" release and also Samson 'Riding with The Angels' (pic disc - double excitement) and noted their release dates (80/81 time). When they came out I was 13 ish - got on my bike and rode the 9 miles into town to Subway records to buy them. I still have them. Never saw either live but did see Maiden (and many others), with Di'anno, around that time (awesome) - music was really exciting then / a view into another world. First metal album I bought was iron maiden - still brilliant / nothing sounded quite like it at the time.
I got the Savage album at the time too ! Great record
The production on the Angel Witch album is phenomenal! I rank it above the first Iron Maiden album, but not Killers. Currently listening: OK, it may leap-frog both Maiden albums.
Love seeing some of my fav NWOBHM records spotlighted ... Time Tells No Lies by Praying Mantis, This Means War by Tank and Borrowed Time by Diamond Head. That said, I don't think Fastway and Waysted being were considered part of NWOBHM back in the day.
I'm all for including Gillan, just because Gillian never gets enough love.
I love that NWOBHM compilation that came out in the early 90s complied by Lars Ulrich. Hits a lot of the high spots for me
Saw Samson supporting Gillan back in the day. Bruce Bruce imho looked like Bill Oddie from The Goodies!
Fantastic episode, I remember going to Reading Rock Festival in the early 80’s and it was packed with the NWOBHM bands. I'd like to give a shout out for three bands that don’t often get a mention, Girl, who were way ahead of their time, and a couple of bands whose albums appeared late in the scene, Rock Goddess and Spider. Jody Turmer from RG was sensational handling lead, rhythm and vocals and their song writing was top notch, the band never got the credit their first two albums deserved.
Nice to hear Martin give a mention to the Rockscalibur album, there's two great tracks from my old mates Black Rose on there, No Point Runnin' and Ridin' Higher. Also a total banger from Satan called Oppression.
Satan - Court in the Act
Tygers of Pan Tang - Wild Cat
Savage - Loose 'n Lethal
Jaguar - Power Games
Diamond Head - Lightning to the Nations
Angel Witch - Angel Witch
Spartan Warrior - Spartan Warrior
Warfare - Pure Filth
Diamond Head - Borrowed Time
Satan - Suspended Sentence
Raven - Rock Until You Drop
Girlschool - Hit and Run
Venom - Black Metal
Tank - Filth Hounds of Hades
Grim Reaper - See You in Hell
.......and I also need to get those Tygers of Pan Tang (Sykes era) albums. Thanks Pete & Martin !
You do!
Martin you are so right, more blood and thunder is a masterpiece!
I bought Blood And Thunder after reading Martins early classic definitive guide to heavy metal! Very funny stories in there and loaded with Martins incredible knowledge of all things heavy!
Would you consider Girl a NWOBHM band? They were around at the time and the Sheer Greed album really rocks. Saw them twice supporting UFO(they went down well) and Kiss(not so much!)
Yes London here ...WE love you in London ...One of the music centers of the World
1. Witchfynde - Stagefright
2. AIIZ - Witch of Berkeley
3. Samson - Head On
4. Angel Witch - Angel Witch
5. Tygers of Pantang - Crazy Nights
That AIIZ album is not good. One f the big lost opportunities. Imagine if they got serious and did a proper studio album, as the debut or... ever.
@@MartinPopoff I really liked the title track, but it sucks to just have a crappy live recording of the song. No Fun After Midnight, or any other time with Polygram Records ( a Major Label nonetheless) releasing demo sounding live albums. The same Label that released great sounding albums like Rainbow - Down to Earth
Yeah strange having a live album as a debut but, was not that bad, No Fun After Midnight, Danger UXB, The Witch of Berkeley are cool tracks, yes the sound is not great, the single I'm,the One Who Loves You sounded better, but did not go anywhere do split, and strangely never heard from any of the band after that.
This show has been amazing, I've learnt about some bands that I didn't know and even got to once again praise mr John Sykes.
Hopefully a similar hair metal show it's on the pipeline :)
Also don't know if you have ever thought about it, but I have an hypothesis about how there's at least one band per decade that succeeds by sounding like the scene did 10 years ago, for example, AC/DC releases their first album after Aerosmith's Get Your Wings, Sabbath's first few albums, Kiss' Hotter Than Hell, UFO's Phenomenon... like there's 1964 Kinks songs that sound rockier than that first AC/DC debut, I feel like with GN'R happens the same thing Appetite sounds really similar to Rocks era Aerosmith, it's like the public only allows one band to sound "old" per time period.
One of the reasons I like your Friday at the Funhouse shows is that I like to contextualized music, like, I'm 31, so when i'm listening to Sabbath, so I think about how there were these bands around that sound a certain way but no one like them, just to give them the importance they deserve. One thing that sticked to my mind is that the first Maiden album was released before Heaven and Hell did!
Cheers Pete and Martin, thank you all the way from Spain.
We've done a few hair metal themed shows in recent months.
Good call with the Tokyo Blade album love that one,
Here's an idea for a future show guys, a lot of the albums mentioned here are hellish expensive to buy in the current market as are albums/cd's in general, can you do a show to discuss the state of the record industry and the ever increasing cost to the collector who want's this or that album but struggles to find the money to afford it.
In Germany, we used to include early Magnum and Mama's Boys as part of the movement.
Props to Pete, for having those Tygers Of Pan Tang albums high on his list.
Very good general overview. I would add a few gems:
Quartz - Quartz (1977)
Marseille - Marseille (1979) [Leppard ripped these guys massively]
Legend - Legend (1981)
Raven - Rock Until You Drop (1981)
Saracen - Heroes, Saints & Fools (1981)
Legend - Death in the Nursery (1982)
Ritual - Widow (1983)
Cloven Hoof - Cloven Hoof (1984)
Tokyo Blade - Night of the Blade (1984)
Omega - The Prophet (1985)
Elixir - The Son of Odin (1986)
Fun show! This was my favorite time period ever in rock record buying history. Import album sections, rock music rags from the UK and taking a chance on an album due to the album cover. It was like a box of chocolates!
My first 2 here rival any albums by the big 4 for my overall favorite.
1. Jaguar - Power Games
2. Tank - Filth Hounds of Hades
3. Tysondog - Beware of the Dog
4. Savage - Loose 'N Lethal
5. Tygers of Pan Tang - Wild Cat
6. Vardis - 100 MPH
7. Grim Reaper - See You In Hell
8. Legend - Death In The Nursery
9. Venom - Welcome To Hell
10. Venom - Black Metal
11. Chateaux - Fire Power
12. Satan - Court In The Act
13. Diamond Head - Lightning To The Nations
14. Angel Witch - same
15. Warfare - Pure Filth
16. Raven - Rock Until You Drop
17. Raven - Wiped Out
18. Tank - This Means War
19. Venom - At War With Satan
20. Raven - All For One
Martin
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20) Samson - Before the Storm (1982) @9:30
19) Tygers of Pan Tang - Crazy Nights (1981)
18) Gillan - Glory Road (1980)
17) Raven - Wiped Out (1982)
16) Tank - Power of the Hunter (1982)
15) Fastway - Fastway (1983) @18:45
14) Waysted - Vices (1983)
13) Witchfinder General - Death Penalty (1982)
12) Tank - Filth Hounds of Hades (1982)
11) Gillan - Double Trouble (1981)
10) Tank - This Means War (1983) @28:30
9) Samson - Shock Tactics (1981)
8) Quartz - Stand Up and Fight (1980)
7) Witchfinder General - Friends of Hell (1983)
6) Savage - Loose 'n Lethal (1983)
5) Raven - All for One (1983) @37:30
4) Grim Reaper - See You in Hell (1983)
3) Gillan - Mr. Universe (1979)
2) More - Blood & Thunder (1982)
1) Angel Witch - Angel Witch (1980)
HM01) New Electric Warriors (1980) @50:26
HM02) Metal For Muthas Volume II (1980)
HM03) Holocaust - The Nightcomers (1981)
HM04) Tygers of the Pan Tang - The Cage (1982)
HM05) Tygers of Pan Tang - Spellbound (1981)
HM06) Tygers of Pan Tang - Wild Cat (1980)
HM07) Jaguar - Power Games (1983)
HM08) Quartz - Against All Odds (1983)
HM09) Gillan - Future Shock (1981)
HM10) Gillan - Magic (1982)
HM11) Tysondog - Beware of the Dog (1984)
HM12) Tokyo Blade - Tokyo Blade (1983)
Pete
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20) Witchfynde - Give 'em Hell (1980) @14:00
19) Samson - Shock Tactics (1981)
18) Venom - Welcome to Hell (1981)
17) Demon - The Unexpected Guest (1982)
16) Raven - All for One (1983)
15) Praying Mantis - Time Tells No Lies (1981) @23:55
14) Diamond Head - Borrowed Time (1982)
13) Tokyo Blade - Tokyo Blade (1983)
12) Grim Reaper - See You in Hell (1983)
11) Demon - Night of the Demon (1981)
10) Witchfinder General - Friends of Hell (1983) @33:50
9) Pagan Altar - Judgement of the Dead (1982)
8) Witchfinder General - Death Penalty (1982)
7) Venom - Black Metal (1982)
6) Savage - Loose 'n Lethal (1983)
5) Satan - Court in the Act (1983) @44:40
4) Tygers of Pan Tang - Spellbound (1981)
3) Tygers of Pan Tang - Crazy Nights (1981)
2) Diamond Head - Lightning to the Nations (1980)
1) Angel Witch - Angel Witch (1980)
HM01) Venom - At War with Satan (1984) @53:00
HM02) Samson - Head On (1980)
HM03) Girlschool - Hit and Run (1981)
HM04) Girlschool - Demolition (1980)
HM05) Quartz - Stand Up and Fight (1980)
HM06) Tank - Filth Hounds of Hades (1982)
HM07) Jaguar - Power Games (1983)
1. Witchfinder General: Death Penalty
2. Holocaust: The Nightcomers
3. Satan: Life Sentence
4. Diamond Head: Lightning to the nations
5. Girlschool: Demolition
6. Raven: Wiped Out
7. Tank: Filth hounds of hades
8. Tygers of pan tang: Crazy Nights
9. Savage: Loose n Lethal
10. More: Blood and Thunder
11. Angel Witch: Angel Witch
12. Wild Horses: Wild Horses
13. Raven: All For One
14. Girlschool: Hit and Run
15. E.F. Band: Last laugh is on you
16. Tank: This Means War
17. Pagan Altar: Judgement of the dead
18. Raven: Rock until you drop
19. Witchfynde: Give em hell
20. Tygers of pan tang: Spellbound
Countess bathory is my fave venom song, love it
Most Venom songs are my favorites, they all very much sound alike yet I like most of them it's just a really cool sound.
S A C R I F I C E ..is a good one too
Edge Of The World by Wolf would be up there for me.
Screaming Blue Murder by Girlschool was one of the best albums of NWOBHM. Gil Weston comes on board (via LemmY) and fucking A...."Hellrazor" is motherfucking Motorhead with TITS
1. Venom - Welcome to Hell
2. Samson - Shock Tactics
3. Venom - Black Metal
4. Witchfinder General - Death Penalty
5. Witchfinder General - Friends of Hell
6. Samson - Head On
7. Demon - Night of the Demon
Never heard Tygers of Pang Tang, Angel Witch, Grim Reaper and some other bands.
Martin more love for Tank 🤘! Love that Waysted pick also. Saw them on tour for that album. Great pick. Great show as always. Always fun and informational.
I know Martin has a disparaging opinion of the first Dedringer album 'Direct Line' but there were three songs on there that if they had been able to match that quality all the way through would have made one of the best NWOBHM albums....
That sounds like a good way so sum up Dark Star too.
Down to earth
Fastway, Maiden, and Saxon. That probably was a great show.
I saw that tour too at the Long Beach Arena in SoCal. It was great🤘
@@mikep9377Portland oregon for me. Good times when there would be multiple big time bands shows.
Nicky Moore was one of the best singer ever imo.
Very true. Saw him with Samson and before that the Nicky Moore band supporting Wishbone Ash. That was more blues rock but what sticks in my mind is the awesome cover of Journey's Walks Like A Lady they did that night.
I would like to agree. Saw him front Samson supporting Whitesnake in 83. Really good support but his version of Riding With The Angels was way off what Bruce could do.
I love this segment!
I have loved these shows - this really was my era....
Love this episode. Thanks guys.
I saw Angelwitch supporting a bigger band at Newcastle City Hall, will have been around '79/ 80, but I can't think which band was headlining. Also, I think there was more than one support band and Angelwitch were openers. Anyway, me and my mates hung around the stage door afterwards and watched them lugging their gear into the back of a van. Kevin, the singer/ guitarist signed our programs and lots of people were coming up telling him that they were the best band on the night. He was really humble and sincere. I bought the album when it came out, but I remember being a bit disappoited with the recording of the song 'Angelwitch' as they had speeded it up and I thought it had lost its magic. I always thought that Angel Of Death was one of the heaviest riffs I'd ever heard. The band sounded so much heavier live. I was only 15yrs old and had to 'sleep' at Newcastle station to get the train home to Billingham the next morning. Got home, changed into my school uniform and went to school. Proper dedication!
If Gillan is NWOBHM why isn’t Blizzard of Ozz??
Or Whitesnake.. I saw Whitesnake open for a Judas Priest / Iron Maiden show in 1981.. Same timeline
@@conocuz because it’s Gillan’s Friday UA-cam channel.
@@carlosdanger6129 Good argument made for Whitesnake, which is why Gillan isn't NWOBHM either. You can still make the argument against Ozzy cuz adding Randy made them "international," and they were also based in LA. But there's no way you can argue for Gillan and then exclude Whitesnake.
I don't think either are NWOBHM, but I think Martin likes to play fast-n-loose with the rules when it comes to Gillan. And there is no arguing they deserve more recognition.
9:35 Wonderful programme, in terms of compilations, please try the Brute Force released by MCA one includes Diamondhead, Raven along with some great solo pieces by Colin Towns and the late Mick Underwood, also White Spirit and Quartz, but lesser known but stand out tracks by Xero, sure link to Bruce Dickenson, Cryer which is excellent, who album was issued u under a different name but escapes me and Prowler whose album was finally released decades later.
Witchfinder General’s greatest influences - Black Sabbath, Michael Reeves, Vincent Price and Russ Meyer.
Great episode as usual, gentlemen. I really need to give that More BLOOD AND THUNDER album a listen.
I checked out More after Martin mentioned it. He's right, it's excellent.
great episode , one of my fave genres/movements in music
Can't argue with Angelwitch at #1.But I would have added Holocaust "Nightcomers", Jaguar "Power Games" & Legend "Death in the Nursery". Gillan & Motorhead are not NWOBHM.Might as well add Whitesnake if that's the case.
There were a lot of compilation albums of NWOBHM bands that never made it. My favourite was a band called Taurus with a song called Paper Chaser on a compilation called Metal Explosion. They seemed to disappear after that. Another melodic metal band in the mould of Praying Mantis was Grand Prix. They released 3 albums ( I think).
I remember the Metal For Muthas albums. They had bands like Ethel The Frog and Toad The Wet Sprocket, (not the US Power pop? band)
@@stephenbrown4211 Names like that deserved success! lol.
Chatuex another great one, bought out 3 albums, only leader guitarist Tim Broughton was on all three. But first Spirit of the Chateaux, is the best on Ebony same label as and sleeve artist another great band Savage.
@@markkaminski4496 Never heard of them. Need to check them out. Cheers.
I made a comment about another band called Chariot, have you heard of them. Chatuex had 3 album, Spirit of the Chatuex 2nd Firepower (before Priests) and 3rd Highly Strung. Just bought out a box set on Cherry Red Records DISS30240CD.
The new Deep Purple = 1 if you had put a label on it takes me back to their 70's Eara music but still sounds new & fresh to my ears & it's in my top 5 maybe #1 but there's still some time left in the year yet. Looking forward both of your reviews on it.
Love Fastway! Trick or Treat (1986) killer soundtrack
All these classic metal bands damn good stuff just don't get the respect that they deserve thank you Pete and Martin for this assum show again 😅😅
Tresspass did bring out 2 double cds of material just never got a proper record deal.
I always change from NWOBHM to NWOHM so I can include Restless and Wild, Fire Down Under, Forged in Fire, maybe even Hail to England.
I'll add Mean Machine by Tyrant (Germany)! Axewitch's Lord of Flies too.
My fav duo for music talk !
For future ranking videos for more obscure artists please reference a big band they remind you of sonically and suggest a top song or two from the album. It allows me to sample new music without feeling overwhelmed by the task at hand. Thanks
I can't speak for anyone else, but I think for a lot of us who really like this stuff, it's the "British-ness", and the kind of DIY feel some of the music has, that really contributes to making it enjoyable. I understand that a lot of the bands were young and hungry and wanted to make money and be big like Def leppard, but that's not at all why I'm here, especially now/in retrospect so many years on. The ones that try to sound "American" just lose it in my opinion. I suppose if people are more fans of so-called hair metal than I am, that might not be such a bad thing, but i was never really into that at all, except for a few tracks from a few groups here and there.
One of the best shows you guys ever did.
Really? These two are clueless about NWOBHM.
I know it’s all a matter of opinion but you have to include Girlschool in there, some great albums and brilliant live.
I’d have given Vardis a mention too.
I’d definitely have had The Handsome Beasts in there, it’s a travesty that they were not bigger than they were and are well worth checking out.
The fascinating thing about this ranking is having bands from different genres ranked together under the NWOBHM umbrella.
Who'd have thought Venom could face a ranking versus Praying Mantis, for example.
You get it! 👍
With out any doubt I was in England at the time and Motorhead not only are a NWOBHM act but in fact the prime movers and the movement would not have gone mainstream without them. It was their Reading rock festival appearance and TOTP' appearances in 1979 that kicked off all the interest in metal
The interest in NWOBHM was slightly earlier but included Motörhead and some of the young bands. It was an article in Sounds music paper by Geoff Barton in May 79 that kicked off the genre. That was the article that actually coined NWOBHM
The people/critics etc who coined NWOBHM claimed it began in 79 so Motörhead would not count nor would Priest as some claim.
@@djacobmadrigal NWOBHM was born from punk. A lot of London based bands developed their sounds from punk bands playing at the Roundhouse. Motörhead were one such band. They jammed with The Damned and Cockney Rejects etc. So yes they were part of the NWOBHM.
Priest on the other hand, being from Birmingham were really from that Industrial Metal like Sabbath. They developed their sound and got heavier. As they were relatively unknown in the UK they were welcomed into the NWOHM circle, so you could say they were honorary members.
@@djacobmadrigal I don't understand why people say this, it's completely irrelevant that the bands started before the big wave hit around 79-80. They count because they were there, popular, releasing 'metal' albums and riding the wave like everyone else. British Steel is perhaps the quintessential NWOBHM album, the clue is in the title! It was around that point they started with all the leather and punk studs too! They couldn't have been on that new wave any harder imo!!
Yes, the leather & studs look, is something I always associate with NWOBHM - Priest, Motorhead and early Maiden especially. Definitely goes along with that tougher edge that the bands had musically. After Punk, Rob Halford lost the flowing blonde hair & silk kimonos and embraced his leather boy s&m look.
Do a search for Gillan on Top of the Pops doing 'New Orleans'. Ian in his denim cut off, the band in leather & bullet belts, fast & frantic, flashbombs going off all over the place. I was ten, I had no idea who Deep Purple were, this was new, British & heavy metal!
Great episode! 🎸
That More album sounds like Rose Tattoo crossed with very early Maiden. Good to listen through at least once...
London here (well Yeovil but London for 62 years of 63 HA!) I Think honourable mentions should also be given to Shiva - Firedance, Demon - The Plague & Grand Prix - Samurai
Great albums/bands to check out not mentioned on this show would be Legend Death in the Nursery, Saracen Heroes Saints & Fools and of course Cloven Hoof S/T which was only released 84 so not allowed for your show, just to name a few. Great show love the nwobhm themed stuff. Keep on
No mention of Chariot had at 7 relesaes and a few unrelesed track cds, wh e re a grest twin guiter band, main man Pete Franklin was also in another great band Dirty Deeds who had 2 album plus a third with shortened name of just Deeds which is best known for having Ritchie Falkner who had joined on 2nd guitar. Then Franklin git Chariot back together again and last album so far was The New Horizon Dawns, came out a few years back now, strange last two previous one In the Blood have no dates anywhere on the disc cover or sleeve.
480. I tried to make a list and had to force 12. Outside the big 4 it was mostly Raven, Samson, Grim Reaper and Tygers. It was hard to find the less popular NWOBHM albums where I grew up. All for One is probably my most listened to.
As I love the NWOBHM, another enjoyable show. To me the only notable exception is Girl. They had big tours & some commercial success, album & singles. IMO Sheer Greed is a fantastic album. Clearly not an opinion shared by either of you.
I’m also intrigued why you didn’t include Magnum. They fit the time period & musically they’re not too different from some of the albums you mentioned.
Magnum's first release was 1975. They were nothing new in 1979.
@@shaunfulton7261 Agreed but their 1st album wasn’t until 78. So just like Motörhead, Saxon & Iron Maiden they were formed much earlier but their 1st albums coincided with the NWOBHM.
@@parishofrock2963 The general rule of thumb is no release prior to 1979. Some would say no album release before 1979 because Samson's first single was in '78 and they are without doubt part of the movement. When a band formed is largely irrelevant but Magnum formed in 1972 and had been quite visible for years in the UK and first use of the NWOBHM tag was May 19th 1979 in Sounds magazine. Motorhead weren't part of the movement, they're not NWOBHM.
@@shaunfulton7261 then by that reckoning nor are Gillan, but Pete & Martin clearing have a different view, hence my comment.
Gillan wasn’t part of the movement either, he was nothing new. He benefitted from the exposure it brought, as did many artists of the era.
Paul Di’anno was in Praying Mantis as well.
Grim Reaper was fantastic! I played See You in Hell so much I wore it out!
Having been in Britain and getting into metal in the late 70s, no one I know, no one in the music press, Geoff Barton included, promoted Motörhead or Gillan as NWOBHM. They were on the metal scene and metal heads were into all of those bands, old and new. I didn’t think any differently of Priest as I did Iron Maiden - they were both great bands. I read about NWOBHM avidly in Sounds and Kerrang: Motörhead and Gillan got plenty of press but never under that label.
Flip through any copy of Sounds. Those two bands marble those pages exactly like any NWOBHM band.
I doubt there was much "promoting a band as NWOBHM" with any of the bands. They were just all reviewed and talked about the same way, Motorhead and Gillan included. They all just "were."
Hey Pete and Martin I would love for you to talk about why it is so important wether Lizzy, Motorhead and other bands like 'em are metal? Why is that such a big deal? It might be just me but who cares?
Almost a definitive list guys . But...why no Girlschool?? Their first two LP s : Demolition and Hit n Run are classics in nwobhm AND endorsed by Lemmy . So why no Girlschool?
They were in my honorable mentions at the end.
Ok my apologies I missed that. Although a vid on them with Motorhead during their heydey would be great guys 🏆
1. Tygers of Pan Tang - Wild Cat
2. Witchfinder General - Death Penalty
3. Diamond Head - Lightning to the Nations
4. Venom - Black Metal
5. Samson - Shock Tactics
6. Demon - The Unexpected Guest
7. Angel Witch (1980)
8. Jaguar - Power Games
9. Battleaxe - Burn This Town
10. Tokyo Blade (1983)
11. Vardis - 100 M.P.H.
12. Fist - Turn the Hell On
13. Cloven Hoof (1984)
14. Satan - Court in the Act
15. Tank - Filth Hounds of Hades
16. Girlschool - Hit and Run
17. Praying Mantis - Time Tells No Lies
18. Satanic Rites - Which Way the Wind Blows
19. Grim Reaper - See You in Hell
20. Witchfynde - Give 'Em Hell
Great List Brother!
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Motorhead are quite unique in that they could be placed in many categories of rock but didn't really slot comfortably in any of them.
Would it be crazy to say Black Sabbath’s first two Dio albums are NWOBHM?
Yes it would.
Black Sabbath weren't exactly "new" at that point, regardless of the (American) vocalist.
@@eliotmccann2589 I know that they’re technically not a “new wave” but their sound changed exactly when the NWOBHM was starting.
@@thekivster NWOBHM doesn't have 'a sound', it's not a genre.
I hear you mentioning London over and over, but what about Newcastle, Sheffield and..eh...Birmingham?
I went to Reading Rock Festival in 1981 when I was 17 and saw (amongst others) Gillan, Vardis, Samson and Nightwing. The NWOBHM wasn't overly well represented but I wasn't complaining because I preferred Budgie, Wishbone Ash, Steve Hackett, 38 Special and the Kinks to be honest. Thing is, Girlschool headlined the Friday night... how do you feel about this all-girl NWOBHM band? They got pretty-much laughed out of town and suffered from the worst sound of the weekend (on purpose perhaps), but I thought they weren't bad.
I have always been amazed how almost all the bands on the Ebony label get no love at all. Most are underrated.
Also regarding your comment about Australian viewers, I am not the only from down here walking around wearing a SOT shirt. Ha!
I’ve asked this before: maybe you guys could do an episode on what is the original or first wave of British Heavy Metal? Other than Sabbath & Judas Priest what would count bc Zeppelin, Purple, Heep, Budgie, Blue Cheer, etc are proto Metal.
Blue Cheer won't count as they were American. Yes to all the others you mentioned, I would add UFO, Nazareth, Wishbone Ash, and obscurities in the first wave such as Jerusalem and Necromandus.
Both of Girlchool's offerings would beat most of this list into a cocked hat.
The whole NWOBHM moniker was largely just another weight around the next at the time, putting in anther road block to the general acceptance of heavy rock/metal.
Geddes Axe was another group that put out a couple of singles, with the likes of the great Return of the Gods track. Sadly quickly gone without a deal.
I hear you - Girlschool early stuff absolutely smokes and is hella fun for a good party starter!
Always surprises me when I see people preferring Crazy Nights over Wild Cat -- Wild Cat is just so much rawer and better in my opinion, it's not even close. That aside -- anyone interested in the story of NWOBHM might want to pick up a copy of Michael Hann's The Rise and Fall of NWOBHM at your local library, it's a fun read about all these bands and the scene at the time
My faves beyond Maiden/Motorhead:
1. Diamond Head - Lightning to the Nations (1980)
2. Angel Witch - Angel Witch (1980)
3. Saxon - Strong Arm of the Law (1980)
4. Venom - Welcome To Hell (1981)
5. Pagan Altar - Judgement Of The Dead (1982)
6. Satan - Court In The Act (1983)
7. Tygers Of Pan Tang - Spellbound (1981)
8. Raven - All For One (1983)
9. Holocaust - The Nightcomers (1981)
10. Tokyo Blade - Night of the Blade (1984)
A friend of mine who's more knowledgeable of all the obscure stuff prefers the first self-titled Tokyo Blade (1983). His comments on more: Ritual reissue pretty good, got a reissue CD of the Elixir a few months ago -- OK but not great. The first Cloven Hoof is really good. The first Blitzkrieg is good. Holocaust The Nightcomers and Wolf Edge of the World are OK but not great.
I would include Priest, because although they were around way before they rode that new WAVE just as much as anyone did. On wikipedia it describes the years 1979-1991 as the 'Mainstream success' period. I would say that British Steel and Screaming for Vengeance were 100% NWOBHM albums, they were to me and my friends anyway, I'm not sure I even knew who they were before British Steel came out to a new generation of young metalheads.
There was absolutely nothing new about Judas Priest by 1979, they'd already had 5 albums out by then. Not part of the new wave at all but they did benefit from it.
Wildcat by Tygers of Pan Tang. Its the trashyness that makes it classic NWOBHM. I prefer the vocals on this, don't like melodic technically good singers. But then that's just my preference.
Dig the rawness and sense of urgency with Wildcat! I'm a riff guy, so the whole album is sacred to me! Tygers are similar to Saxon and Angelwitch and Raven, in that they are STILL making killer music, some of which is stronger than anything in their heyday!
Once again no mention of Chateaux - Chained and desperate 1983 how? And also Bodine - Three times running 1983 and Bold as brass 1982 ,Torch 1st from 1983
LONG LiVE DEEP P U RPLE
Two points:
1) Speaking of Raven, is there a band out there that’s still rocking harder, faster and heavier than any other band, and doing it convincingly? Have you listened to their latest studio album All Hell’s Breaking Loose? Holy mother of Zeus…
2) Why are old bastards so fascinated with the weather???
1) Saxon, Overkill
2) The weather affects your health more when you're getting older
Definitely the episode I've been waiting for. This is the stuff in the nWOBHm that excitesm me at this point. Also some albums that didn't get mentioned here: Fist - "Turn the Hell on", Holocaust - "The Nightcomers", and, especially, both Legend (jersey) albums, would make my top twenty list. Also, really like Rock until you Drop from Raven a lot more than you guys -- think it's a goddamn masterpiece of metal, and the vocals are absolutely great.
Yessir! Rock Until You Drop is lethal, just a gut punch, insane energy and purpose! Both those Fist and Holocaust albums are essential! Gotta say, Raven still kicking collective ass with current releases!
@@treff9226 They really are, yeah. Although I guess the comparison to my locals Anvil is sound in some ways Raven never seemed to take things badly and just carried on being cool, returning to what they do best after a brief attempt at commercialisation (that still wasn't as far removed from their classic sound as many bands would do). And they play live all over and still always bring loads of energy. New album was ferocious.
Canadian eh? Very nice, only good things come from Canada! Always have a soft spot in my heart for the mighty Anvil, especially after seeing that awesome movie about their humble beginnings and how they just kept on doing what they love - breaking eardrums! New Raven is lethal! Gotta get my hands on it! Currently cranking Metal Church, Nazareth and Pentagram - my car stereo speakers are begging for mercy! Good life to you in Canada and thanks for all your tasty beer. Peace.@@DamnableReverend
@@treff9226 Cheers! it's the beer that helps get me through these hot humid evenings!
We do have a lot of cool bands from my area. Anvil made some great albums and they were a great live band too. I used to see them for around $5 at some pretty rank dives. After the movie came out their ticket prices suddenly got steeper. it was weird. To be honest I never watched it, and while Rob is still killer on drums the band kind of does sound their age these days. oh well. Voivod and others are still carrying the torch!
Great driving music selections there. Crank it!
$5.00 to see Anvil! Sucks they raised ticket prices after movie gave them more acclaim. Voivod so beloved by serious metal fans, so damn unique and still putting out top shelf material - be well amigo!@@DamnableReverend
Bona fide nwobm choices without their supposed big four were scant. Most of them were post nwobhm( which they could have done another show about from 81’ to 83’) and some like Gillan I would question shouldn’t have been included at all. Hopefully this will get done better on a British post by people in the know.
Martins "renaissance" reference to Angelwitch was spot on,I don't think Pete caught on to the reference,.its like from 500 years ago.(sounding)Metal for Muthas 2 is a classic,way better than 1,...no Chateaux Martin?I'm in shock,..a fabulous band
In hearing Martin's list, I realize I need to get some records by Tank.
Get Tank's Filth Hounds of Hades.....yesterday!