The thing I loved about Petra (besides their awesome music) is that they NEVER compromised their message or Christian values. They also referenced scripture with every song. They will always be my favorite Christian rock band.
The Feeling when… you listened to a prophetic song in the 90’s when you were a kid..and now you’re living in the beginning of the times they were singing about.
Stryper is still going strong and has an album coming up in September called "Even the Devil Believes," though "Fallen" is probably their best release in recent years.
My mom passed away on September the 6th at 2:45am. She loved this song and everytime I listen to this song I'll remember my mom and the good times we had together. 😭
God bless brother. She is.riding horse back. Against the demons of hell to preserve heaven and your salvation. Keep believing brother. Never stop. Your mom is a hero.
Hay brother your see your mum again OK, remember we do not grive as those who have no hope. You have a solid HOPE OK never forget that. Your see your mum again. Love in the Lord. Michael.
Very appropriate for this day and age, with so much madness and paranoia going around. We, as believers, shouldn't go underground and hide ourselves away. We should be out there, proclaiming the Gospel to our friends, family, neighbors, everyone. A fictional illness won't stop me from living my life and telling others of the Gospel.
Its because of neckbeards being too vulgar. Have faith, never back down from the cringe element of the jester establishment. And spread the goodness of the word. Dave Mustaine is another guy i can recommend who is King of Metal in my view, he is a born again Christian and seems very cool!
I just had an encounter with The Holy Spirit while reading Luke 24:1-35. It came alive!!! HE IS RISEN!!! HALLELUJAH!!! ARISE YOU CHRISTIAN AND BE COUNTED!!! OUR LORD AND SAVIOR LIVES!!!
Because terminally online people took over. But the dangers of being terminally online is you stop going to school to learn a skill, and eventually just become addicted to wasting your time rather than learning what you truly need. Sure its nothing wrong being stupid in weekends or holidays since you've earned it due to hard work. But outside that its stupid, whether its LGBT groups, political idealogues etc.
At :30, Bob Hartman opens up a can of chunky chicken🐔. I don’t know if he still does, but he used to use Zion guitars and Ampeg amplifiers. His tone on BB was incredible. I’ve always wondered what his pedalboard setup consisted of. Mr. Hartman keeps getting better and better with time.
Killer drummer, Great song. This is when we must back our truth speaking pastors & staff. stop the infighting, back biting, gossip. What will be our excuse when we stand before ou MOST HOLY LORD? Who by the way, gave us the tools for the job. WE WILL HAVE NO NOT ONE EXCUSE. If your church is not bringing forth depth and encouraging you to STRIVE for the truth of God, Then Leave. We cannot play around with our salvation if it was easy,the way wouldn't be narrow.
+Jim bob lots more than you think. Just remember Jesus was not a chump, he never said we had to be either. So know this 1thing we are VERY MANY. Just because we're saved... It don't make us yellow or naive.
Hey jim bob (weren't you on the Waltons?)if you don't have anything intelligent to say (which clearly you do not) it is best to keep your mouth shut and let the adults converse.
@Mando0725 I totally agree with you I've been a christian since I was 6 (thats when I asked him into my heart) But now living in sin city I really have to trust in God. I'm so trying to switch bad un christian music to christian music, dressing modestly and always hiding God's word deep in my heart.
escucho a petra desde muy joven y siempre he considerado a un de las mejores bandas de rock de la historia...su música, más allá de su mensaje cristiano, es simplemente genialidad.
Our focus should be on both right action and right belief. To observe one while neglecting the other is wrong. Everyone will be judged for deeds done while in the body, including those we're helping. We should clue them in before it actually happens.
I love this song...and have mixed feelings about the lyrics. Because I believe American Christians have made a mockery of Persecution by claiming we know the first thing about real persecution. We do NOT. But...the whole sentiment of "Bring it on!" relevant to persecution is thrilling and exciting. And I believe the Persecuted, truly persecuted Church, IS the TRUE CHURCH. Because the power hungry that used to sniff around the Church go ELSEWHERE when there's REAL PERSECUTION.
I see you wrote this 13 years ago. Maybe now you can see that it’s around the corner, it’s coming. America will be no exception. We may not experience it yet like our brothers & sisters in places like the Middle East, Africa, China etc. but it won’t be long. They’re already deplatforming those that speak the truth, they’re trying to shutdown churches that preach the unadulterated Gospel that doesn’t conform with their agendas.
@@patrickmcclintock3791 I feel too many Christians were seduced by the Republican Party, who will tell us what we want to hear about gay marriage, but then seduce us away from "feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting the prisoner", since "sola fide" doesn't require us to LIVE out our faith, anyway. THAT mutation away from biblical Christianity is rightly being rejected by thinking people. A worthy persecution I think is Republicans attacking Christians for protecting undocumented laborers, peacemaking, environmental protection, and advocating for social welfare. BUT I disavow a "religious left" as much as any "religious right". We need to do what Christ commanded in all ways, and let both parties persecute us for it. A pox on both their houses anyway.
I think you're right to an extent. Americans, Christians included, are rich, spoiled and complacent with no idea how much of each they are. However, I think that being marginalized and silenced is also persecution, though only the beginning and nothing like what Christians around the world are experiencing.
You're doing something called "Missing the point." I'm aware that we are to love all people. My point is that hatred is not evil inherently - since we are commanded by God to *hate* sin, etc. As I already stated. mowriter and I already covered this extensively, why did you feel the need to re-pick a debate that can clearly be read already?
@dualis777 Because He loves us. Each day He waits is another day He gives us to bow our will to Him, to accept His Lordship over our lives, and to find eternal life. He doesn't want any to be lost, so He holds back His justice for yet another day. However, the Bible says that He will not struggle with us forever, and it would be foolish to put off making the decision to serve Him. You ask "why hasn't He already come?" Do you belong to Him yet? Perhaps you ought to be thanking Him for waiting.
Madgegn: absolutely. Beliefs like "love the sinner hate the sin"...or recognize our battle is not with flesh and blood...that humanity is always the victim, no matter how they act out (and self destruct).
Dude...I knew that! Forgot it until, you said it, tho (LOL). He also "song doctored" many of their tunes on this and the prior few releases, didn't he?
travelerintime11: don't you? (LOL). Speaking for all ONE BILLION OF US (LOL), the point is God did us a deal, one we didn't deserve. Our posturing should not be that we are right, so much as God cut us a break, and we are GRATEFUL. And our life reflects how grateful we are, such that you or anyone else would look at us and think, "I want what they've got!". You wouldn't want what we got if we're arrogant picks acting like we're awesome...but if we act GRATEFUL, HUMBLE, and MORE LOVING..?
Madgegn: Obviously, I just about completely agree. I say let them marginalize us and hate us for the right reasons. If they hate us for feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting the prisoner, caring for creation...and they will not...but if they do, their rejection I'll wear like a badge of honor! But if their marginalizing is for our hypocrisy, for showing hate, for promoting ignorance and fear? We've EARNED a good scolding, and very well deserve this God-sent chastisement.
TESTIMONY AND GRACE "For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers. For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established. That is, that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith both of you and me" (Romans 1:9,11,12). My situation and the hunger for wisdom, the preaching of the Cross in public, the life of Christ living in me and the utter performance to please and teach all matters from God's Words are a constant fire in my heart. Since the Holy Spirit spoke to me with the voice of Jesus the night in July 1986 my convictions and affections towards a righteous Creator never wore off. The sweet delight in Jesus and all Divine things through grace are lived by. The glorious God of all beauty has let me see the streets of gold I will walk. I have heard His voice, He called my by my name. It was a sweet and gently, majestic meekness, high and great voice like a river of life... My own righteousness turned to corruption and His glory was glorious. Exceedingly pleasant. Absolute Sovereignty is what I love to ascribe to God. I pray to Him He must grind me to perfection before my so eagerly awaited resurrection. His soothing answers towards me in questioning, repentance, praise and communion represent the loveliness and beauty of Jesus Christ. My first encounter with God was my question: "God, who are you?" God said: "I am Jesus, pray to me!" My mind is greatly fixed on divine things. I spend most of my times thinking and praying to Jesus, my longings after holiness increase more and more. I have an eager thirsting after progress in these things. The Heaven I desire is a Heaven of Holiness; to be with my God, and spend my eternity in Divine Love, and Holy communion with Christ. Heaven appear exceedingly delightful, as a world of love; and all happiness consists in living in pure, humble, heavenly divine love. It is a comfort to think of that state, where there is fulness of joy; to sing the praises of God and the Lamb. I live as seeing Him who is invisible; to set the Lord always before me, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. Study, admire, and exhibit the influence of the Gospel; a walk worthy of the vocation wherewith I am called and to hold forth the word of life, to shine as lights in the world because my mind is anxious for daily advancement in every branch of holiness, which cause me to press forward, whatever might be the obstacle in my way. I long for the Holy perfection of the Heavenly world, and anticipate with joy that day when I shall awake with Divine likeness. I remind myself to act according to Proverbs 12:23, " A prudent man concealeth knowledge." I rejoice in the Lord to set my heart on Him and depend on afflictions "For my strength is made perfect in weakness." And "Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me." I love to be a member of Christ. I always find the greatest comfort by self-denial giving God all glory as I increase in grace. We must do great things for God. O let it teach me to depend less on myself, to be more humble, and to give more of the praise of my ability to Jesus Christ my exceeding great reward. "Neither have I gone back from the commandment of his lips; I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food" (Job 23:12). "For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us" (Romans 8:18). "For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God" (II Corinthians 4:15). "I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need. I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. Notwithstanding ye have well done, that ye did communicate with my affliction" (Philippians 4:12-13). "Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory" (II Timothy 2:10). "As unknown, and yet will known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed; As sorrowful, yet always rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things" (II Corinthians 6:9-10). "Since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking in me, which to you-ward is not weak, but is mighty in you. For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you" (II Corinthians 13:3-4). facebook.com/lovejoypeaceforever John Stewart 3020 Waialae Ave Honolulu, HI 96816 USA _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/
@Wereshaman LoL i think thats perfectLy fine about not wanting it pushed on them cause thats not reaLly what happens anyways Lol i aLways thought of God of more LIke a puLL kinda person haha you know he gets your intrest with his Love and Lures you in haha and then you reaLIze you need his grace, its way cooL , sorry i just had a LittLe chuckLe moment when i read that about your friends not wanting it pushed on them , i hope i made sence, anyways, have a bLessed day! PETRA ROCKSl!
@travelerintime11 :LOL, I'd forgotten I'd made this comment back to you. Sure, plenty of Atheists. A few very close to me as a youth. I cherish every one of them, holding my feet to the fire and keeping me intellectually honest. They've bettered me as a Theist, no doubt. :-) Any thought on my whole "lucky break" comment? That our posturing should not be that we (Jesus-followers) are right, so much as God cut us a break, and we are GRATEFUL. And our life reflects how grateful we are...?
Wereshaman: what if creationism belief doesn't have to be a condition of being a follower of Jesus? Just a thought - Genesis 1 and 2 does align HEAVILY with evolution...the order of events, culminating with humanity
I wasn't referring to revenge, but to hate - that the concept and word itself is not inherently wrong. You're right, revenge is wrong. But to *hate* sin, to *hate* evil, etc., is something this His followers are supposed to do. No infinite wisdom needed - just discernment. I'm not being a bigot or excusing anything by pointing to the Bible to make my case with the word usage. The Bible calls us to keep our mouths free of impure words, and that we'll answer for every word we use.
Pamathey: ahh, a theological consideration (LOL). His call, his use, and only his place to exact revenge - even in the Old Testament. I was referring to us humans using the word, in our infinite wisdom. But your point is important - both atheist and fundamentalist point to it to repudiate the Bible or justify their own bigotry - both wrong.
well, I wanted to say hating people is off limits, only hating sin and intangibles is acceptable, but I recall God says he hates this tribe or that in the OT (minor prophets). But right on with our impure words. I'm simply pointing out, George Carlin-like, that some naughty words are more beloved in our culture than others. Even among us believers.
I say if you are a christian, everyone should know by the way you talk, act, and by the way you dress. I mean I can't wear mini skirts and say Jesus can change you, unless of course your still new to salvation. It's sad christians don't rise up and stand for Jesus anymore. You should push Jesus not in a condeming way. I mean the world forces their junk of beliefs in the schools, through music videos, movies, and media. RISE UP AND STAND UP FOR JESUS.
Since the Holy Spirit is one of the three Persons in the blessed Trinity, it necessarily follows that He is in full sympathy with the will and design of the other Persons of the Godhead. The eternal purpose of the Father in election, the limited design in the death of the Son, and the restricted scope of the Holy Spirit's operations are in perfect accord. If the Father chose certain ones before the foundation of the world and gave them to His Son, and if it was for them that Christ gave Himself a ransom, then the Holy Spirit is not now working to "bring the world to Christ." The mission of the Holy Spirit in the world today is to apply the benefits of Christ's redemptive sacrifice. The question which is now to engage us is not the extent of the Holy Spirit's power-on that point there can be no doubt, it is infinite-but what we shall seek to show is that His power and operations are directed by Divine wisdom and sovereignty.
The thing I loved about Petra (besides their awesome music) is that they NEVER compromised their message or Christian values. They also referenced scripture with every song. They will always be my favorite Christian rock band.
That's what I like about them too
You are enlightened and blessed
The Feeling when… you listened to a prophetic song in the 90’s when you were a kid..and now you’re living in the beginning of the times they were singing about.
A true classic, nostalgia. I miss the days of real Christian rock.
Stryper is still going strong and has an album coming up in September called "Even the Devil Believes," though "Fallen" is probably their best release in recent years.
I won't go underground. I will stand up for my Lord and savior Jesus Christ.
I love that Petra songs convict me and encourage me- their lyrics are so powerful and full of meaning... not to mention their music kicks butt.
I love Petra's music. They r an awesome music group.
My mom passed away on September the 6th at 2:45am. She loved this song and everytime I listen to this song I'll remember my mom and the good times we had together. 😭
God bless brother. She is.riding horse back. Against the demons of hell to preserve heaven and your salvation. Keep believing brother. Never stop. Your mom is a hero.
Hay brother your see your mum again OK, remember we do not grive as those who have no hope. You have a solid HOPE OK never forget that. Your see your mum again. Love in the Lord. Michael.
Sorry I meant sister. God bless you.
O amor jamais acaba...porque a essência dele é o próprio Deus. Quem creu em Cristo, ainda que esteja norto, viverá.
She is not underground... she is in Heaven, and you will dwell with her again. She's with you now, praying for you as a Saint.
In today's age of maniacal liberalism and such hate for Christians, this song means so much to me. Im not ashamed of the cross I've claimed!
I've never gone underground when it comes to my love for God! Every day is a chance to praise, witness and testify!
Very appropriate for this day and age, with so much madness and paranoia going around. We, as believers, shouldn't go underground and hide ourselves away. We should be out there, proclaiming the Gospel to our friends, family, neighbors, everyone. A fictional illness won't stop me from living my life and telling others of the Gospel.
the illness is real, though the government exaggerated the seriousness of the plandemic.
Its because of neckbeards being too vulgar. Have faith, never back down from the cringe element of the jester establishment. And spread the goodness of the word.
Dave Mustaine is another guy i can recommend who is King of Metal in my view, he is a born again Christian and seems very cool!
Every word in this song reminds me of a time in the life I'm living.
Written 32 years ago, yet the lyrics apply right here and now. Makes me realize that the battle stays the same, just wears a different mask
I won't go Underground,I won't run from the Rising Tide,I WON'T GO UNDERGROUND! I'm not ashamed of the price I paid.
This song reminds me of my past. I love this song. Rock out to Petra!! ❤️❤️❤️
I just had an encounter with The Holy Spirit while reading Luke 24:1-35. It came alive!!! HE IS RISEN!!! HALLELUJAH!!! ARISE YOU CHRISTIAN AND BE COUNTED!!! OUR LORD AND SAVIOR LIVES!!!
Awesome 😊
2020 could use a little Petra!
Why is Christian music no longer this powerful both in music and message?
Because Christians gave into the culture, by and large. Listen to John Cooper from Skillet though - he's pretty outspoken.
Because terminally online people took over. But the dangers of being terminally online is you stop going to school to learn a skill, and eventually just become addicted to wasting your time rather than learning what you truly need. Sure its nothing wrong being stupid in weekends or holidays since you've earned it due to hard work. But outside that its stupid, whether its LGBT groups, political idealogues etc.
This song comes alive in these days we live in
At :30, Bob Hartman opens up a can of chunky chicken🐔. I don’t know if he still does, but he used to use Zion guitars and Ampeg amplifiers. His tone on BB was incredible. I’ve always wondered what his pedalboard setup consisted of. Mr. Hartman keeps getting better and better with time.
Did they use Ampeg guitar amps too?
Killer drummer,
Great song.
This is when we must back our truth speaking pastors & staff. stop the infighting, back biting, gossip. What will be our excuse when we stand before ou MOST HOLY LORD? Who by the way, gave us the tools for the job. WE WILL HAVE NO NOT ONE EXCUSE. If your church is not bringing forth depth and encouraging you to STRIVE for the truth of God, Then Leave. We cannot play around with our salvation if it was easy,the way wouldn't be narrow.
+bill thompson Oh I see there is still some of you types around. I thought we had got rid of you all....but no there you are.
+Jim bob lots more than you think. Just remember Jesus was not a chump, he never said we had to be either.
So know this 1thing we are VERY MANY. Just because we're saved... It don't make us yellow or naive.
Hey jim bob (weren't you on the Waltons?)if you don't have anything intelligent to say (which clearly you do not) it is best to keep your mouth shut and let the adults converse.
This was Petra's best selling album. The greatest Christian rock album in history.
I'm just saying I like the song too, and it wasn't a "religious restriction" that altered how I described it. 5 stars for Petra.
@Mando0725 I totally agree with you I've been a christian since I was 6 (thats when I asked him into my heart) But now living in sin city I really have to trust in God. I'm so trying to switch bad un christian music to christian music, dressing modestly and always hiding God's word deep in my heart.
Wow!!!! (North Carolina)
...such profoundly accurate prophecy. This song is astonishing.
best guitar hook ever and great song
Love this..I feel like jogging or doing a training montage to this song! It pumps me up.
you should, lol
V.J. Baros i love this song too, its my favorite:)
Yep. It is pumping me
@@epoernomo me too God bless friend
If you do an exercise video, let us know so we can rock to it!
Mi canción favorita de Petra.
A song for 2020. I'm not going underground.
Exactly what I was thinking....
Covid is a political scam for the democrats to get Biden cheater in office and a way for big pharma to push more vaccines because fear = money.
My everyday's music....love it..
La Gloria sea para Dios🙌🏼
Esse som do Petra é bom demais!
These guys were my first concert for the This Means War tour. Never missed an available show near me since. Sad they broke up.
the best song of Petra!!!! firmes y dignos abrazados de la cruz de Jesus!
escucho a petra desde muy joven y siempre he considerado a un de las mejores bandas de rock de la historia...su música, más allá de su mensaje cristiano, es simplemente genialidad.
Que saudade da minha infância. Este Louie Weaver manda muito bem na batera.
Love this song!
A mensagem e o som é atual. Uma benção ❤
Depois de tanto tempo, a sensação é a mesma quando ouço esse disco.
Yea....underground" petra" my band.....thanx for sharing..
"FOR THE DAY IS NEAR, EVEN THE DAY OF THE LORD IS NEAR, A CLOUDY DAY; IT SHALL BE THE TIME OF THE HEATHEN." (EZEKIEL 30:3)
A 2024 Song ….
I WON’T GO UNDERGROUND !! 🙌🙌🙌🙌🥰🥰🙋🏼♀️😍🇿🇦
Puts, muitooo bommm. A melhor deles, faz toda a diferença, a lá estilo whitesnake
Our focus should be on both right action and right belief. To observe one while neglecting the other is wrong. Everyone will be judged for deeds done while in the body, including those we're helping. We should clue them in before it actually happens.
Blessed Petra. Great band!
BEST PETRA SONG IN MY OPINION.
This is the most underrated Petra song I can think of
Amo eles❤ des de sempre
Entrada avassaladora . Petra
wonderful beginning!! :))
Awesome song.
I love this song...and have mixed feelings about the lyrics. Because I believe American Christians have made a mockery of Persecution by claiming we know the first thing about real persecution. We do NOT.
But...the whole sentiment of "Bring it on!" relevant to persecution is thrilling and exciting. And I believe the Persecuted, truly persecuted Church, IS the TRUE CHURCH. Because the power hungry that used to sniff around the Church go ELSEWHERE when there's REAL PERSECUTION.
I see you wrote this 13 years ago. Maybe now you can see that it’s around the corner, it’s coming. America will be no exception.
We may not experience it yet like our brothers & sisters in places like the Middle East, Africa, China etc. but it won’t be long. They’re already deplatforming those that speak the truth, they’re trying to shutdown churches that preach the unadulterated Gospel that doesn’t conform with their agendas.
@@patrickmcclintock3791 I feel too many Christians were seduced by the Republican Party, who will tell us what we want to hear about gay marriage, but then seduce us away from "feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting the prisoner", since "sola fide" doesn't require us to LIVE out our faith, anyway. THAT mutation away from biblical Christianity is rightly being rejected by thinking people.
A worthy persecution I think is Republicans attacking Christians for protecting undocumented laborers, peacemaking, environmental protection, and advocating for social welfare.
BUT I disavow a "religious left" as much as any "religious right". We need to do what Christ commanded in all ways, and let both parties persecute us for it. A pox on both their houses anyway.
More relevant today. 6/16/15 Will we look back and realize this was when it started?
The movement needs to keep moving forward and god is at it's head!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think you're right to an extent. Americans, Christians included, are rich, spoiled and complacent with no idea how much of each they are. However, I think that being marginalized and silenced is also persecution, though only the beginning and nothing like what Christians around the world are experiencing.
You're doing something called "Missing the point." I'm aware that we are to love all people. My point is that hatred is not evil inherently - since we are commanded by God to *hate* sin, etc. As I already stated. mowriter and I already covered this extensively, why did you feel the need to re-pick a debate that can clearly be read already?
@dualis777 Because He loves us. Each day He waits is another day He gives us to bow our will to Him, to accept His Lordship over our lives, and to find eternal life. He doesn't want any to be lost, so He holds back His justice for yet another day. However, the Bible says that He will not struggle with us forever, and it would be foolish to put off making the decision to serve Him. You ask "why hasn't He already come?" Do you belong to Him yet? Perhaps you ought to be thanking Him for waiting.
legal,cara,bom que podemos encontrar o Petra sempre aqui !!!
Madgegn: absolutely. Beliefs like "love the sinner hate the sin"...or recognize our battle is not with flesh and blood...that humanity is always the victim, no matter how they act out (and self destruct).
@dualis777 No man knows when he will come back.
Awesomeness!!!
2 Timothy : Chapter 2, Verse 12
sencillamente esto es rock señores..
Time to go underground.
Dude...I knew that! Forgot it until, you said it, tho (LOL). He also "song doctored" many of their tunes on this and the prior few releases, didn't he?
travelerintime11: don't you? (LOL).
Speaking for all ONE BILLION OF US (LOL), the point is God did us a deal, one we didn't deserve. Our posturing should not be that we are right, so much as God cut us a break, and we are GRATEFUL. And our life reflects how grateful we are, such that you or anyone else would look at us and think, "I want what they've got!". You wouldn't want what we got if we're arrogant picks acting like we're awesome...but if we act GRATEFUL, HUMBLE, and MORE LOVING..?
😍😍😍
Madgegn: Obviously, I just about completely agree.
I say let them marginalize us and hate us for the right reasons. If they hate us for feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting the prisoner, caring for creation...and they will not...but if they do, their rejection I'll wear like a badge of honor!
But if their marginalizing is for our hypocrisy, for showing hate, for promoting ignorance and fear? We've EARNED a good scolding, and very well deserve this God-sent chastisement.
Funny- because you replied to my comment literally, and quite specifically. ;)
ciao, dude.
TESTIMONY AND GRACE
"For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers. For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established. That is, that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith both of you and me" (Romans 1:9,11,12).
My situation and the hunger for wisdom, the preaching of the Cross in public, the life of Christ living in me and the utter performance to please and teach all matters from God's Words are a constant fire in my heart.
Since the Holy Spirit spoke to me with the voice of Jesus the night in July 1986 my convictions and affections towards a righteous Creator never wore off. The sweet delight in Jesus and all Divine things through grace are lived by.
The glorious God of all beauty has let me see the streets of gold I will walk. I have heard His voice, He called my by my name. It was a sweet and gently, majestic meekness, high and great voice like a river of life...
My own righteousness turned to corruption and His glory was glorious. Exceedingly pleasant. Absolute Sovereignty is what I love to ascribe to God. I pray to Him He must grind me to perfection before my so eagerly awaited resurrection.
His soothing answers towards me in questioning, repentance, praise and communion represent the loveliness and beauty of Jesus Christ. My first encounter with God was my question: "God, who are you?" God said: "I am Jesus, pray to me!"
My mind is greatly fixed on divine things. I spend most of my times thinking and praying to Jesus, my longings after holiness increase more and more. I have an eager thirsting after progress in these things. The Heaven I desire is a Heaven of Holiness; to be with my God, and spend my eternity in Divine Love, and Holy communion with Christ.
Heaven appear exceedingly delightful, as a world of love; and all happiness consists in living in pure, humble, heavenly divine love. It is a comfort to think of that state, where there is fulness of joy; to sing the praises of God and the Lamb.
I live as seeing Him who is invisible; to set the Lord always before me, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. Study, admire, and exhibit the influence of the Gospel; a walk worthy of the vocation wherewith I am called and to hold forth the word of life, to shine as lights in the world because my mind is anxious for daily advancement in every branch of holiness, which cause me to press forward, whatever might be the obstacle in my way. I long for the Holy perfection of the Heavenly world, and anticipate with joy that day when I shall awake with Divine likeness.
I remind myself to act according to Proverbs 12:23, " A prudent man concealeth knowledge." I rejoice in the Lord to set my heart on Him and depend on afflictions "For my strength is made perfect in weakness."
And "Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me." I love to be a member of Christ. I always find the greatest comfort by self-denial giving God all glory as I increase in grace. We must do great things for God. O let it teach me to depend less on myself, to be more humble, and to give more of the praise of my ability to Jesus Christ my exceeding great reward.
"Neither have I gone back from the commandment of his lips; I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food" (Job 23:12).
"For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us" (Romans 8:18).
"For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God" (II Corinthians 4:15).
"I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need. I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
Notwithstanding ye have well done, that ye did communicate with my affliction" (Philippians 4:12-13).
"Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory" (II Timothy 2:10).
"As unknown, and yet will known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed; As sorrowful, yet always rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things" (II Corinthians 6:9-10).
"Since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking in me, which to you-ward is not weak, but is mighty in you. For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you" (II Corinthians 13:3-4).
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@Wereshaman LoL i think thats perfectLy fine about not wanting it pushed on them cause thats not reaLly what happens anyways Lol i aLways thought of God of more LIke a puLL kinda person haha you know he gets your intrest with his Love and Lures you in haha and then you reaLIze you need his grace, its way cooL , sorry i just had a LittLe chuckLe moment when i read that about your friends not wanting it pushed on them , i hope i made sence, anyways, have a bLessed day! PETRA ROCKSl!
@travelerintime11 :LOL, I'd forgotten I'd made this comment back to you. Sure, plenty of Atheists. A few very close to me as a youth. I cherish every one of them, holding my feet to the fire and keeping me intellectually honest. They've bettered me as a Theist, no doubt. :-)
Any thought on my whole "lucky break" comment? That our posturing should not be that we (Jesus-followers) are right, so much as God cut us a break, and we are GRATEFUL. And our life reflects how grateful we are...?
Wereshaman: what if creationism belief doesn't have to be a condition of being a follower of Jesus?
Just a thought - Genesis 1 and 2 does align HEAVILY with evolution...the order of events, culminating with humanity
This is real crhystian rock"!!!! Not skillet or something like that..
I wasn't referring to revenge, but to hate - that the concept and word itself is not inherently wrong. You're right, revenge is wrong. But to *hate* sin, to *hate* evil, etc., is something this His followers are supposed to do. No infinite wisdom needed - just discernment.
I'm not being a bigot or excusing anything by pointing to the Bible to make my case with the word usage. The Bible calls us to keep our mouths free of impure words, and that we'll answer for every word we use.
Pamathey: ahh, a theological consideration (LOL). His call, his use, and only his place to exact revenge - even in the Old Testament. I was referring to us humans using the word, in our infinite wisdom.
But your point is important - both atheist and fundamentalist point to it to repudiate the Bible or justify their own bigotry - both wrong.
well, I wanted to say hating people is off limits, only hating sin and intangibles is acceptable, but I recall God says he hates this tribe or that in the OT (minor prophets).
But right on with our impure words. I'm simply pointing out, George Carlin-like, that some naughty words are more beloved in our culture than others. Even among us believers.
Tell that to God, who uses it in the Bible - and doesn't use either of the others you listed.
I say if you are a christian, everyone should know by the way you talk, act, and by the way you dress. I mean I can't wear mini skirts and say Jesus can change you, unless of course your still new to salvation. It's sad christians don't rise up and stand for Jesus anymore. You should push Jesus not in a condeming way. I mean the world forces their junk of beliefs in the schools, through music videos, movies, and media. RISE UP AND STAND UP FOR JESUS.
Since the Holy Spirit is one of the three Persons in the blessed Trinity, it necessarily follows that He is in full sympathy with the will and design of the other Persons of the Godhead.
The eternal purpose of the Father in election, the limited design in the death of the Son, and the restricted scope of the Holy Spirit's operations are in perfect accord.
If the Father chose certain ones before the foundation of the world and gave them to His Son, and if it was for them that Christ gave Himself a ransom, then the Holy Spirit is not now working to "bring the world to Christ." The mission of the Holy Spirit in the world today is to apply the benefits of Christ's redemptive sacrifice.
The question which is now to engage us is not the extent of the Holy Spirit's power-on that point there can be no doubt, it is infinite-but what we shall seek to show is that His power and operations are directed by Divine wisdom and sovereignty.
Ephesians 3:10 now to the intent that the principalities and powers be made known by the church the manifold wisdom of God.
I think the word "HATE" is more vulgar than the A-bomb, the S-bomb, the F-bomb, and the B-bomb, combined.