Why Haiti Collapsed (Hint: It's Not The French)
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- Опубліковано 7 тра 2024
- Haiti has fallen into a state of total anarchy. Here's why this island nation has collapsed, and why France isn't the cause behind Haiti's failure.
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Haiti blaming "the French" is like a 55 year old still blaming their parents.
Wellll it's not the French but the west especially united States
@@BajanEnglishman51 BS.
@@IAmTheEagleHTM please check the amount of us interventions in Haiti
@@BajanEnglishman51 post source or bust
@@joshuawadsworth6417 you don't really need a source to look up a list of every us intervention in Haiti
The Dominican Republic's greatest accomplishment was violently separating from Haiti
Where is that history?
@@onlythetruth883 The Dominican war of Independence from 1844-1856
@@lambvett
I'll check it out. But independence from whom? Not Haiti? Wouldn't those boundaries have already been established at that time?
@@onlythetruth883 I'll try to give you a quick summary of the island's history. The Spanish arrived in 1492 and conquer the native Tainos. Most of the Tainos die from disease as well as from slavery starvation and war. The Spanish take Taino women as wives creating the first generation of Latinos. The Spanish begin to import African slaves. The Spanish mix with the African women as well. Some African slaves revolt and join what remains of the Tainos and mix with them. Now you have the foundation of the mixed race Dominican people. Dominicans are named after the colonies capital Santo Domingo. The colony fights invasions from other European powers. Eventually the French pirates take the small island of Tortuga which is north of what is now Haiti. The whole island at this time belonged to Spain and the ancestors of the Dominican people. The Spanish crown for the most part ignored the island to focus on its conquest of the main lands. The island fell into poverty. The Dominican inhabitants began to trade with the pirates. The Spanish crown didn't like this and ordered the burning of the western settlements to force the population closer to the capital city. The Devastation of Osario. The French pirates now are able to get a foothold on the west side of the island. The Spanish of the East and French of the West fight but eventually sign a treaty. The French begin to import African slaves. The French are outnumbered by their slaves 20 to 1. The French revolution happens. The ideals of the revolution spread to their colony. The Haitian revolution happens. The Spanish secede from the island giving their colony to the French living many of its inhabitants to fend for themselves. The Haitians invaded the east for the first time in 1801. They hold control of the whole island for a year. Napoleon's brother-in-law arrives with thousands of French troops and some mixed race Haitians who fled in the early stages of the revolution. Search the War of Knives to learn about the internal race conflict among the Haitians. Most of the French troops including Napoleon's brother-in-law died from yellow fever. The Haitians claim independence. In 1804 they invaded again. This time they committed a massacre known as El Degüello de Moca or the beheading of Moca on their way to the capital city of Santo Domingo which is still held by the French. The Haitians flee as a French flotilla arrives. Haiti splits in two after the murder of Dessalines. The black faction in the north and the mulattos in the south. In 1809 the Dominicans retake the east in the name of Spain kicking out the French. Haiti reunites the north and south. In 1821 Dominicans claimed independence from Spain. One month later the most notable Haitian invasion happened under Boyer and the Haitians occupy for 22 years making second class citizens of the Dominicans. They close the churches and university, raise taxes to pay their debt to France, prevent the white Dominicans from owning property, prevent Dominicans from speaking Spanish, and impose forced labor. Dominicans revolt and claim independence from Haiti. Dominicans outnumbered in some battles 5 to 1 defeat every Haitian invasion that followed for the next 12 years.
The border between Haiti and the DR can be seen from space. Haiti attacked and conquered the DR. The people of the DR fought for their freedom.
I’m British. Everything is France’s fault.
If there's one thing we Americans can rally with you Brits on, it's blaming France. I even forgive you for driving on the left side of the road, seeing as you're distinguishing yourself from France
@@davidanoble I am not from either of the 3 countries, but why don't you blame the French for aiding you in the American revolution as well?
Dont worry, we both do. They provided too little for too much, and betrayed their promise to britian to not be massive piss drinking idiots. Which in frances defence, would be like telling a fish to not swim where it pisses. @Progamermove_2003
@@Progamermove_2003blame them for what?
@@Progamermove_2003 That was the French monarchy, which was much more respectable than post-revolutionary France, albeit still worthy of teasing. And it was very opportunistic of King Louis, who wanted to take Britain down a peg. As such, I appreciate the opportunity. And I appreciate the individual Frenchmen who helped us.
But I readily tease Britain, despite them being our ancestral homeland. It's only natural, then that I would mock France. Don't let that convince you I don't have a certain appreciation for France. I have so many French flags in my home that my printer is loaded with them.
Singapore is one of the richest country in world and it was colonized.
Doesn't look colonize
Aka China
@@decodedpsyopIt was a British colony.
Geography is the biggest asset of singapore
The answer would be reputed a bit....racist, but Eastern asian people are more efficient, hard working ones, and corruption and inefficiency doesn't pay well, look how S. Vietnam fell. Haiti has always been plagued by terrible leaders either dictators or elected ones, perhaps it's in the DNA of the Island or a damnation for all the terrible bloodsheds that happened in its history, that started with the natives ' genocide.
The Dominican Republic is struggling because of Haiti. Haiti is a colossal burden to the entire Island.
Henry
That's the whole idea.
Haiti is struggling due to the DRs demand for drugs. The DR is a huge burden on the island to its neighbor
The world *
That's not what the Dr ambassador in Spain said couple of months ago. why don't you research on it, he said without Haiti Dr is finish. why don't you tell me how Haiti's holding Dr back? so you really believe with just a tourist industry Dr should just take off? tourism is a up and down business, first world countries doesn't depends on just tourism to become what their became.
@@onlythetruth883oh sure, you're so smart
The problem with Haiti is that there are too many Haitians.
Amen
@@danielji2742 Because Hillary Clinton and the "FOBs" (friends of Bill) have had absolutely nothing to do with forcing these corrupt "leaders" on to the Haitians against their will while stealing anything not nailed down including children trafficked to the highest bidders and there for cant possibly have anything to do with this outcome.
What racecar are the Haitians?
Don't agree. Young Haitian brains are a huge national resource. Haiti needs young Haitians to academically dominate.
A random haitian :« why do we have elictricity problems ? »
An other random
Haitian : « you know the french 230years ago…. »
Dishonest
Yea, let’s ignore the fact they’ve had 200 years and help from multiple countries yet they still blame everyone else.
Help from who? And when for the last 200 years? Cause in the 20th century we occupied them for about 20 years. We also occupied them in the 90’s after pushing out their first elected leader which u can research the CIA was involved in the whole situation. We also helped push for “doc” to be their leader. So if that’s the help you’re speaking of yeah we did one hell of a job
@@somindlesssmediaanything that exists over there is probably help. They can't build or maintain anything. Help came for instance after the earthquake.
@@JM-hf9bl most of the money that they received for even the 2010 earthquake was stolen. A lot of nations around the world have issues due to horrible politicians who are usually BACKED by western governments. And Haiti though struggles has been a very prosperous nation and has helped other parts of the Americas
@@somindlesssmedia it's so prosperous that the people eat mud cookies. For 200 years all their politicians except one were murdered, fled the country of were removed by a coup. But it's everyone else's fault, off course.
Do you even understand what’s goes on in the political world? Help is just a facade for exploitation. The guy pretending to help is the one who planted the dictator. He is the one who fomented the coup d’etat. You create chaos, then you pretend to offer/bring help so you can exploit even more and dominate. Jesus said, you will know the truth and the truth shall set you free. The Holy Bible explains the invisible and reveals the mysteries of this world and human nature. You should read it sometimes.
Becasue it negates all responsibility from themselves. They have a pretty country but it is corrupt as HELL. They need to look inward but I do not see that happening any time soon.
They worship evil spirits like SATAN.
They are very racist too they just like to hide it. Many youtubers from various Laitn American countries have gone to haiti to report their situation to the world and they all experience haitians racist attitude.
Corruption and crime integrated in the culture
1. Culture - Thousand years
2. Corruption - Decades
3.Foreign Meddling - Years
remove the USA from Haiti's affair and allow Haiti to work with China and you will see a difference.
As a Nigerian, you have my thanks for making this video. I ised to foolishly think Haiti's, and much of Africa, was due to colonialism and racism but with more knowledge and age, i see i was wrong. Haiti's problems are off their own making and they have no excuse. After their revolution, they reinstated slavery and plantation system on their country, invaded and enslaved the DR, curtailed education and civic liberty of their country, and mismanaged their economy. The French debt is not even that significant. Mexico lost land and had to pay reparations to the USA after their war. Germany had to pay reparations for two world wars. Namibia and Botswana were also colonized and have worse geography than Haiti yet all are doing better. What is Haiti excuse?!
Thank you for posting your comment. I'm an elderly Canadian, and as long as I've lived, Canada has been providing financial assistance to Haiti. We're just one country among many others who have been helping them. What happened with all the money we sent them during my lifetime? Look at the country, it's falling apart. This is ridiculous.
@@vivianelanthier722 Sad but true. Haiti has always been a problematic country mainly due to their own cultural, social and political issues and they will never take accountability. Thanks for you Canadians actually trying to help them
@@orboakin8074 I would say Voodou is another reason
everyone knows what the answer is nobody has the balls to say it out of fear of being cancelled
Black people can not run a country,it always ends badly
The fact that blacks can't govern themselves?
Turn off your pattern recognition, citizen.
Rhymes with “tree grow”
@@missajimnig lol
The voodoo sure didn't help either.
The cannibalism too
@@Flexed_qt part of voudou
It's a deal with the devil. Google Duty Boukman *
@@samuelrigaud6595 except the devil is not real
and neither did christianity help them ,at least with voodoo is theirs and not some vile middle eastern garbage
One thing I like to point out about Haiti debt for independence is that (my country) Indonesia also got debt imposed by Netherland in exchange of independence. The debt took almost 50 years to pay. But Indonesia also didn't collapse. If Haiti is a failed state today, it's on Haitian.
Was that debt for infrastructure built by/or under the Dutch administration?
Also, Indonesia, the East Indies or whatever one choses to call them had the benefit of civilization for a considerable period. Some of the greatest works of civil engineering ever done with human and animal muscle power ever done in the region. I'm referring to the terraced rice fields.
@@mpetersen6 I'm sure the Dutch would find any excuse to impose that "debt" to Indonesia. And Indonesian government initially was not different from Haiti either. They invaded Papua, Malaysia, and Eastern Timor (today's Timor Leste). The politics was dominated by strongmen for the first 50 years.
The thing is, Haiti already paid their "debt" at around Indonesia's independence. Meaning that Haiti had a head start of 50 years compared to Indonesia. But they failed it. Not to be forgotten, Dominican Republic also advanced much better than Haiti, despite them colonized for several times by Haiti.
@@mpetersen6ever heard of UP3 ?
Basically, leave the uncivilized tribes and peoples alone to develop on their own, until their civilization ready to join the rest.
And that region already had many civilizations before contact with European.
Yes, but the difference is, 4.5 billion guilders is nothing compared to the (unadjusted) 21.7 billion US dollars Haiti had to pay with a much, much lower population, and a series of unfortunate natural disasters in the 1900s, which seems to be recreating itself today
Did you have embargos imposed on you by the superpowers at the time? The USA, France, and the entire European continent imposed embargos on Hayti shortly after its independence blocking it from doing business with others around the world? Did Indonesia have its gold reserve stolen by the US armed forces similarly to Haiti?
I notice a few similarities between almost all failed states
Yeah, and if we could interogate murder victims, strangely enough they'd point at their murderer... I wonder why that is 🤔
What a peculiar "pattern".
The similarity is that they are all black.
Corruption, kleptocracies. I feel sorry for the Kenyans getting sent their as peace keepers.
The darker it is, the worse state it's in. Every single time, the more of them there are, the worse it will ALWAYS gets (because of the IQ, smaller prefrontal cortex, and adra2b deletion variant)
Stop noticing, or else
they rather blame the Dominican Republic. Instead of thanking us for all the help we provided no other country has help hati more then DR.
Y además de que quieren cambiar la historia di que ellos nunca ocuparon el otro lado de la isla por 22 años. Hay una agenda fea en contra 🇩🇴en el internet especial mente en TiK Tok.
Every country in the world can blame us for all I care at the end of the day this isn't our fault nor our problem.
Agreed
Nobody blames your little country. You are of no importance in Haitian history.
"no other country has help hati more then DR" care to elaborate how you did help? lol
As unsavoury as it is to the modern voter, we need to stop delivering humanitarian aid to failed states. Not to Haiti, not to Gaza, and not to any other corrupt government. The reason is because we make their problems worse, not better. We reward brutal warlords and dictators for making their countries into hellholes. A people will only overthrow their wicked ruler once they have the pressure to do it and feeding them, even temporarily, negates that pressure.
Better than that they never should have been transported here in the first place, yet alone in those numbers. They fell victim to bait. The Spanish averted that early on.
Also dictators steal the aid.
My country, Brazil, was highly involved in the UN's peace mission in Haiti after the earthquake. It makes me sad to see what they became after our army left the country. But, after researching a little bit, I found that that mission was never made out of compassion for a suffering nation. The United States was fearing mass immigration after the disaster but they didn't want to use their own army as they were busy in other global affairs, mostly in the Middle East, so the UN picked Brazil, who accepted the mission under the naive hope that that would give us a diplomatic advantage and/or a higher seat in one of these world organizations (I don't remember well, but something like that). In the end, none of Brazil's interests were really met, Haiti became hell on Earth after the army left, and Haitians continue to flee the country on a large scale.
@@skilo581
Will you be inviting them to migrate to your country since they are seeking refuge?
Fuck foreign aid it's all a ponzi scheme that helps no one and screws over the taxpayer
It isnt France , or the DR acting the damn fool in the streets in Haiti today ,or the past several decades.- it's the Haitians.
So it isnt't hard to figure out where the actual problem lies. Also, if you want additional instruction on what Haitis problem is, might I suggest you look at what has happened to South Africa.
Well, it's good to note that Barbeque is upholding Haitian traditions.
He is cooking the economy
Why is he called BBQ? I'm sure I won't like the answer....
@@user-io9ie5cs8j
Never should have been transported here in the first place, notwithstanding the well set bait.
He's s a cannibal, thats why.@@user-io9ie5cs8j
@@user-io9ie5cs8jcannibalism.
4:44 to avoid saying the real reason. It begins with N
Nougat.
Sugar spike is unhealthy, and it makes people behave so badly.
F*cking Nougats that cause trouble everywhere there's too much of it.
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All people, in every country, need to take responsibly for their own actions. This also includes us from the United States. Our issues aren't just with our government--we have to ask ourselves WHY did we as a nation let it get this bad? 😔
For the US, laziness is a major factor. The signs of nearly every problem we have were observed and speculated about long in advance. But no critical number of people ever wanted to bother trying to affect the outcome -- it was easier to assume the people making the events happen were competent and honest.
There's no reason to assume Haitians are any more proactive than we are.
@@stevenscott2136 Both of us have sugar and coffee to get us going, so yeah. Aside from that smart-aleck response, yes that's it. Now we have to fix it. Fast
@@stevenscott2136
Why were they even transported here in the first place and in such numbers? Did no one at that time except these present peoples perceive this inevitable outcome of ownership??
@@user-io9ie5cs8j
I think the Spanish came to their senses quicker than the French and curtailed their transportation provision.
Too trusting.
Uh-oh..truth is not tolerated on youtube.
That's an absolute definite. Whenever irrefutable unchallengedable truth is presented and with no ill will they shut down further discussion on the matter and lies remain standing tall.
Truth on u tube is hate speech I get banned all the time
@@onlythetruth883did you know Haiti used it's own funds to helped many south American countries obtain their independence in the eighteen hundred? who do you think helped Dr in 1862 and 1864 to get Spain out? Haiti also provided logistics support. Google Frederick Douglass speech on Haiti, and see this video here is not base on total truth. from 1947 to late fifties Haiti had the top economy in the Caribbean. and why do you think the people of the Dominican republic is trying invading Puerto Rico legally for a better life? they're in chilli, Brazil, Panama, Costa Rica, Columbia, these countries are not even close to rank countries like Canada, France, Portugal economy, and Dominicans still go across the sea searching for better life than the one their have in Dr. across the sea to countries that they don't even share borders with. so this is what truth is to you?
Truth? really?
@@onlythetruth883also Google haitian Tuskegee. yes, Haiti participated in world war 2
Yep French and U.S. are no saints and definitely hurt Haiti but at some point you can only blame other people for your own failures. DR is far richer yet had the same issues starting out as Haiti did
I love when activists and academia make these arguments because it shows how little they think of Haitians. And they call us the bigots
The narrator is correct.
Why Haiti began and remains poor (pt 4 of 5).
Response to some Marxist objections.
(1) In 1804 there were embargoes against Haiti by France, England, USA. However these embargoes were quite porous since private merchants (English, French, American, Spanish) were still doing commerce with Haiti. In 1807 English abolished TransAtlantic slave trade and in 1808 England ended the Haiti embargo; by 1814 more than 80% of Haitian trade was with England. Besides in the 1800's England and Spain were at war with France so little military naval effort was focused on Haiti. Haiti had no military navy, no merchant marine so Haiti had no capability to pursue merchant trade, no capability to project military naval power on its own. Haiti was at the mercy of others for maritime trade.
(2) Many nations, when newly established, were not given a "welcome basket" by the community of Nations. The USA recognized the USSR in 1933 and the USSR was established in 1917. And yet there was USA-USSR trade before 1933. The USA recognized the People's Republic of China in 1979 and the PRC was established in 1949. And yet there was USA-PRC trade before 1979. These trades occur despite ideological differences. These trades occur because the USSR and the PRC had goods/services to offer to the community of Nations. By 1804, Haiti utterly wrecked its economic infrastructure and had little to offer to trade with the community of Nations.
(3) Conflict of visions between the populace (ex-slaves) and the Haitian elite (White, Mixed, Black). The ex-slaves wanted nothing more than a piece of land and cultivate it for their basic needs. Essentially the ex-slaves wanted a Subsistence Economy, a Survival Economy. Nation building was not on the mind of the ex-slaves. Nation building was on the minds of the elite who knew fully well that Haiti cannot be totally self-sufficient and thus needed to rebuild the economy to produce goods/services to trade with other Nations. The elite wanted to rebuild the plantation system and the ex-slaves wanted none of that!!! Henri Christophe (Black) was able to impose the plantation system in the North but at the cost of raising anger of the peasant (ex-slave) class. The peasant anger became so great that Henri Christophe committed suicide in 1820. Ironically, Northern Haiti under Christophe (Black) became wealthier (relatively) than Southern Haiti under Pétion (Mulatto) who pushed for Land Redistribution, not Plantation system.
(4) Marxists sweep under the rug the occupation of the Dominican Republic. Why? Because it does not fit the narrative of Haiti being a victimized innocent. Haiti occupied the Dominican Republic from 1821 to 1844. Haitian president Boyer confiscated all church property, all lands owned by Whites, and deported all foreign clergy. Oh, but that was the second invasion by Haiti; in 1805, the Haitian Army invaded the Dominican Republic, reached Santo Domingo, and made a fast retreat using the destroy and burn tactics much favored by J.J Dessalines. Why the retreat? There were reports that a French flotilla was coming towards Port-au-Prince. Even after 1844 the Haitians did not give up; there were several minor military excursions into the Dominican Republic. Militarism, combined with Subsistence Economy, deepens Poverty.
(5) Reparations to France: the Marxists' favorite bugaboo. Were the reparations the fundamental cause of Haiti's poverty? Answer: NO. Haiti was already entrenched in Poverty by 1826 when France demanded reparations. Mind you, the 1826 reparation demand was the THIRD request; the previous 2 were made to Christophe (refused), to Pétion (refused). The third time was the charm for France. Haiti's 1821 invasion of the Dominican Republic (DR) was a strategic error. Military adventurism and a moribund economy made for a very bad mix. France was not stupid. After 5 yrs of Haiti being stuck in the DR quagmire, France popped up (again!) and made the reparations demand. Haiti cannot fight both the French and the Dominicans. Haiti decided to pay reparations. France asked only for 1 year's worth of colonial output. In 1820, Haiti's output was only 1/40 of colonial output; that it took Haiti more than 100 years to pay the reparations is no surprise. From 1826-1844 Haiti plundered the DR of its wealth to pay as much as it can for the reparations.
(6) Often politically driven programs do not bring Economic or Societal Progress. What feels good usually does no good. Embracing victimhood (politically popular as of 2024 AD) brings no kind of prosperity. Become a victim and win a prize!!! Victims of the World, Unite!!!
One of those comments you wish you could like more than once. Kudos!
This exact same person commented below my video about that matter about 1 year. Sir, or madame, you have some very good points. And as a haitianman I've always been wanting and preaching to my fellow Haitian relatives to don't fall into history cycle and make the same mistakes our ancestors have been doing for 2 centuries.
If you don't mind, I would like to have some conversation with you. If you're interested you will find my email in my video description.
Marxism is an economic philosophy, not a body of opinion about the history of Haiti
@@AngelVasquez-nw8zf Actually, marxism is more than just that. Part of it sure involves economics, but marxism itself is a system as a whole, with a method of socioeconomic analysis. Let's not forget it is also a political philosophy, through which its aspects (like the economic one) can be implemented.
In other words, it is not a body of opinion about the history of Haiti on its own, but it certainly is the lens through which some people analyze the situation (and needless to say that it goes for everything, not just Haiti)
Also gold and oil.
There are parts of this country where after their last big earthquake Oil actually leaked from people's backyards.
There are at least 3 Presidents that tried to exploit this Oil and guess who ordered them that they do not have the right to? 🦅🦅🦅
There is a woman of power in the US who has the rights to all the gold in the country in a way that not even the Haitian government has the right to oversee what her Company is doing.
Every time there is a president that wants to nationalize all the resources he is either taken down or a commando of foreign soldiers just land there and exile him.
Let's also not forget their last president who got murdered in his home by a commando of ex-Colombian soldiers hired by an American security company yeah those people are screwed.
But victimhood is an easy way they need to choose better leaders and start thinking differently.
Who would have thought that killing all the people who knew how to run a country and burning all the farms would leave a land in ruins?
Lack of industry, work ethic, education and laziness. Haiti could be an amazing tourist destination
Outside industry/investment fled after 1950, when Estime was run out of the country...🤔
The fact you mentioned work ethic and laziness means you know absolutely nothing about Haiti or Haitians.
I don't know Haitians in Haiti. But here in the Dominican republic the Haitians work hard. Maybe because they had the fortitude to get up and leave Haiti. I feel bad when I see them rounded up and sent back but I know we can't take them all.
Hong Kong was a city state that was ruled by the British for over a hundred years after the UK gained it from China after the Opium Wars in 1842 until Hong Kong was lost to China in 1997. If colonialism was bad, then why isnt Hong Kong a failed state despite the fact that it was all rubble after WW2 while Haiti wasnt in the same ordeal after WW2?
The simple answer is that Hong Kongers hav different values and held themselves accountable for their own actions and situations while the Haitians do not.
Large parts of europe were bombed to hell and back again, and half of it got communism for the next 40 years, they are all doing far better than subsaharan africa.
Victimhood is always the way out
Bruce.
Why do you think they fought so hard for it?
Like how Israel and Zionists try to excuse themselves of committing genocide
Rush Limbaugh said it best.
"...What this isn't the time for right-wing free market Capitalism in Haiti?
It has never been tried these before, and it's probably the only solution to their problems."
Rus was awesome and correct.
they did under François Duvalier, he ruled over Haiti, and opened up industry and trade, but when he died his son toke over and wasted and embezzled from the people causing instability.
@@jeffgib2758 That is why Corruption is one the worst crimes and sins ever.
Answer: Blame shifting -- the destroyer of individuals and nations alike.
You can’t fix stupid.
haitians are not stupid. They just need to wake up
@@user-pj7we7wd5t IQ statistics say otherwise
@@DustinOranchuk right. The non existent ones💀
@@user-pj7we7wd5t Do you mean woke Haitians? Like poverty is not enough.
I know someone that was in the military in the 90s and they served in Haiti. He said they would build hospitals, orphanages, ect. When they returned it was falling apart. We spend millions with no progress.
Singapore was a former British colony and I defy anyone who has been there to call Singapore a failure ... at anything! No joke, they got absolutely EVERYTHING right!
Nobody’s calling Singapore a failed state bro
@@Bulbs_Productions he's using Singapore as an example that colonization will not lead said colonized country to become a failed state, instead most of it is because of their people's own action
It's not a coincidence that the most of the modern, prosperous, and stable democracies in the former colonial world were British creations.
LKY PAP.
@@DinoMan_6 Huh?
Could you make a video on how Capitalism allowed for China to become the 2nd richest nation even though they are communist
Because China quietly became a Facist state.
They abandoned communism for over a decade now, they are more state control capitalism now
They're not communist.
Marx himself stated that communism would be characterized by the state "withering away". The Chinese government has clearly not done that.
It is literally impossible for an ACTUAL communist nation to say "we are communist", because an actual communist nation would have no central authority to make the announcement.
And when guys like "Barbeque" step into the power vacuum, they're too busy grabbing all the loot to bother with such declarations.
@@stevenscott2136
Somalia after 1991.
Deng Xiaoping did away with most of Mao's policies and got his ideas from Lee Kwan Yew.
Almost all Asia countries were colonized, and all Asia countries are now better than Haiti, even the poorer ones like Vietnam, Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia are still in a much better shape. Those like Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, Singapore, Brunei, China, South Korea are now prosperous countries.
China might seem prosperous and its true some are but most people there still live in poverty
@@user-mg2ip8cr8z
In China, rural-area people are not counted in its poverty statistics.
China has over a billion people to feed and it's immensely rich considering how much changed since 80s and 90s. So it's not a poor country since not everyone can be employed and have a house.@@user-mg2ip8cr8z
THANK YOU. Ive tried to explain this to people, but a lot say France or the US to blame, which is silly. There is some truth to all the reasons people give but it doesnt justify the cycle.
The Clinton foundation didn't help after their earthquake but still
Wait, did I miss it? This video talked a lot about why Haiti didn’t collapse, but when did he give concrete reasons for why it did?
You're not alone.
Harsh, but true. The debt was brutal and also the fact that no other major countries told France to beat it. But nonetheless as stated in the video its happened to other countries and they have been able to turn it around.
Those countries didnt get overthrown by a join us and french effort for daring to ask for reparations...
I might be wrong but isn’t there a difference in countries like France and Germany being in debt cause they have massive industries to back off compare to a island with no industry in heavy debt at its awake of birth
@@iseeyou6894Haiti had sugar, which was super valuable at the time.
Haiti being translated as "Hades" on the subtitles.
Fair enough, I guess...
Those are very good points. I would add that having a major earthquake and hurricane hit didn't help. But you can't blame the French for that.
I wish you explained in more detail what the Haitians and the Haitian government specific did/didn’t do that lead to its inability to recover
And also by W.H.O they were corrupted……???? " Why those " politicians wanted SO bad to interfere in Haitian politics
Wishful thinking. Nobody who "supports" Haiti will ever hold Haitians accountable for the disaster they have turned Haiti into.
What Haiti needs isn’t aid, not foreign intervention by another nation, what they need are a set of better leaders, what that doesn’t blame other nations for the country’s own errors, one that can take responsibility for their role and fix it, it’s not easy but it’s necessary.
As one with an Econ background, it's been endlessly proven that:
IQ + Culture + Economic System = Results
Countries with Low IQ but that succeed on the other 2, as the petro arabs, proved it.
no Wakanda? hmmm
Truthfully, I feel it is also Spain's fault (in part). They should've NEVER allowed the French to step in and claim the western part of the island. Haiti was doomed to failure even before its inception. The entire island should've been Dominican Republic from day one.
Didn't France get it after winning a war against Spain? Was there a choice?
@@mariotheundying Yes, but Spain could’ve avoided that easily if their settlers had occupied the western half to begin with. They left the western half of the island unprotected and unsupervised and the French pretty much took advantage of that.
It was because of Spain king Phillip ordering the island’s governor Antonio de Osorio to have dominicans evacuate the western part of the island to protect the eastern of contraband. Hence it being referred to as "Devastation of Osorio". The reason why the french pirates invaded the western side was because it was vacant. If it wasn't for that the entire island would of belong today to the indigenous of that island, the dominicans.
@@lulu0724 Truly unfortunate.. We could’ve had one big beautiful island to ourselves with endless resources.
As a Haitian myself, what he is saying is so hard to swallow but he is telling the truth.
We need to stop blaming other people for our own mistakes.
220 years are not 220 days.
We need to grow up and make Haiti la perle des Antilles again.
clean up your own mess haiti
You can't say that to Hsiti while the US is currently intervening.
Nahh they are too Busy blaming DR for the struggles.
@@decodedpsyopthe US is nowhere near Haiti. It amazes me how far people go to refuse to hold Haitians accountable for their own Country
@@JoseMartinez-bh1ngBut Haiti was literally under American Occupation and even when the military withdrew for decades American business owners ran a monopoly on the country’s politics and assassinated Presidents who did not align with their ideals. Not to mention Haiti is on an active Earthquake zone and Hurricane zone
@@JoseMartinez-bh1ng nowehre near, but they've recently contacted the Presidential Council to authorize the construction of a military base. The US is deep in to Haiti's ass, and the US has their puppets in the government.
Probably the fault of Orange Man
Is there anything they dont try to blame him for?
I'm just waiting for the day we find out that kids are confusing Orange Man with Kool-Aid Man, and think we had a beverage mascot as president. 😁
Back in the 40-60’s Haiti and the DR had similar economies. In fact Haitis was even stronger at one point. Haitis biggest problem is not holding its corrupt leaders accountable. Letting them use the blame games to stay in power so they can’t take more from its ppl.
And running Estime out of office...the country headed straight downhill after 1950...🤔
How can corruption force people to loot and and murder?)
And they are corrup by who ?
@@Giftsofsun Haiti or DR which one are you referring to? I’m a little confused
@@Giftsofsun if you’re referring to Haitis leaders they are sell outs. The Take the money over sea and leave Haiti. Just look it up most don’t last the full term in office.
Nick’s younger than me by a year, and leaves me wondering why my younger brother is the most aware man in existence! Thank you brother! There are many voices in the world. Yours speaks the truth!
Blaming us even if we do not have relationship to their country since 1947 is extremely convenient. It's exactly the same with the Mali, Algeria, and some other. As long as you blame the French, you don't have to admit to your own mistake
As a Haitian American internal corruption is a major reason and probably the biggest reason to the demise of Haiti. But to your point on Germany and France having to also pay reparations and not becoming failed states in doing so Is completely different than in the case of Haiti. France and Germany in their rebuilding had allies and continuous trade and support from the U.S. and other European countries. While Haiti did not have much in terms of allies and economic support. Heck when the U.S. invaded and occupied Haiti they stole Haiti’s gold reserves. So I think it is a little more nuanced than what you said. But totally agree corruption and incompetency of Haitian leaders is a problem and should never be left out in these types of discussions.
Haiti also had good economy in the past, that's how Haiti was able to helped about 13 countries in south America to obtain their independence. plus, from 1947 to late fifties, Haiti was the top economy in the whole Caribbean. also, Google Frederick Douglass speech on Haiti, and see what kind of economy Haiti has back in the late eighteen hundred. haiti also used it's own funds to helped those south American countries.
Most Haitians especially those living in the country hold the government of Haiti responsible for most of its problems. This idea that we point the finger at everyone else is just ridiculous.
The narrator is correct.
Why Haiti began and remains poor (pt 1 of 5).
During its colonial days, Haiti’s slave plantations supplied over half of the world’s sugar.
But after the slaves gained their freedom from the brutal regime and the country declared independence in 1804, sugar disappeared from the economy as small farms produced coffee, subsistence agriculture, and food for local markets.
In 1950, when Haiti was at least producing some sugar, its exports were far behind comparable countries: sugar exports in Puerto Rico were 35 times higher, and in the Dominican Republic exports were 14 times higher.
A common explanation for Haiti’s resistance to producing sugar is that Haitian culture rejected the industry because of the associated historical traumas. However Haitians went to the DR, Cuba, even Puerto Rico to harvest sugar cane so there was not much of a cultural stigma towards the sugar industry.
A major contributor to Haiti’s failure to restore its sugar economy was historical property rights institutions that created significant transaction costs to starting large-scale farms.
3 post-Independence property rights institutions: (1) a large redistribution of the former French plantations; (2) inheritance patterns on peasant land that gave every family member a veto right to selling it; and (3) a constitutional ban on foreigners owning land in Haiti.
But the property rights institutions in Haiti are important because they were not established by colonists; instead, they were created by a newly independent nation in reaction to colonists. These are post-colonial institutions.
From 1900 to 1960, sugar accounted for 76 percent of Cuba’s export value, 51 percent of the Dominican Republic’s, 46 percent of Puerto Rico’s, and 26 percent of Jamaica’s. Sugar contributed only 5 percent to Haiti’s exports. Less than 10% of Haiti's sugar production was exported whereas for the other Caribbean countries about 90% was exported. Since 1987 (demise of HASCO) sugar in Haiti has been a cash crop raised by peasants rather than by large-scale plantations.
Sugar Exported (Million lbs)
...............Haiti.......Dom.Rep.......P.Rico.......Jamaica.......Cuba
1900______1_______150________200_________2_______1,000
1910______1_______250________500_________3_______2,000
1920______2_______300________700________10_______5,000
1930______3_______550______1,000________50_______2,000
1940______4_______700______1,500_______200_______4,500
1950______5_______900______1,600_______400_______7,000
In 2014, on coffee:
Country__________________Haiti______Dom.Rep.____Cuba______Jamaica
Production (tonnes)______19,500_____13,500______9,000_____1,620
Export (tonnes)___________120______1,020________660_____1,320
Export/Production (%)_______0.6________7.6_________7.3_______81.5
Population (M)_____________10.4_______10.3_______11.3_______2.8
Area (1000 km^2)___________27.8_______48.7______110.9______11.0
The last part was a little hard to follow because of how the chart came out, but I got it. Well done. Thanks that helps. The people could've done alot more growing and export or leased their land.
Friedfish
How did they acquire all this land in the first place?
@@user-io9ie5cs8j
Were they always poised to make this journey west? Was acquiring all this always the plan? Along with the consequent blame?
Haiti collapsed for the same reason Chicago, Memphis, St Louis, Boston, Atlanta, Louisville, Detroit and countless other areas with a large population of blacks.
Together with mooslems
No wonder they're aren't prosperous as Asians who themselves got colonized also
The colonialism example its quite poor since unlike France control , spain did not have colonies and Dominican Republic that during the time was part of the vicerrotality of New Spain was an extension of the empire itself. Not a former colony. Thats why you see in all across la Hispaniola , Complex infraestructure . As an additional historical context haiti had this massive tax that france put over the new independent republican new goverment of Haiti and this was the actual reason (more than the prescense of any european empire at the moment) of why Jean Pierr Boyer (leader of the haitians) invaded my country to pay that tax and get the resources of la Hispaniola
I think this lies more on how the Vietnamese treat the French appear to provide a contrast to that of Haitians. While both were French colonies, the Vietnamese demanded nothing from France to pay indemnity for war even though the damages France did to Vietnam was so horrific; whereas the Haitians are still holding this grudge because of being exploited, yet they did very little to improve their own country.
The problem of Haiti is a lot of things. In part it's the French for screwing over at the time the newly independent land, but at the same time, you cannot purely blame them, as Haiti has been independent for like 200 years. More than enough time to navigate through this hardship. Other former French colonies despite being poor too, are doing a billion times better than Haiti. Senegal for example is a beacon in stability and econolic wealth. Sure, is it still a poor country? Yes, but they have a working democracy, economically the country is on the up and the infrastructure is compared to other countries in the region actually not bad. And this goes for a lot of other former colonies. Take Botswana for example, it's a good preforming former British colony. It is however worth saying that the British didn't sabotage their former colonies as badly as France had. But still, there are examples to be given. Haiti suffers deeply from the tribal mentality that African countries also suffer from. And it shows.
An example that don't involve debts would be SEA. Almost all the countries were colonized except for Thailand. Not only did these countries stayed under foreign rule for longer than many African countries, they also had to rebuild after WW2. Cambodia even went through gen0cide after this and today still more peaceful than Haiti.
I wonder if there is a common denominator between Haiti and failed African countries, hee hee
You're actually still wondering? LOL.
I thought it was the deal with the Devil.
the dominican is on the same island, why are they not failures as well. some people cannot govern themselves. look at most of africa.
Dominicans are white??
@@bastianx8772 no.
Dominicam are mix
I've heard the physical location blamed as well: they're regularly in the path of Atlantic hurricanes, and Port-au-Prince sits on a fault line, making earthquakes more common than most other places.
Okay, sure - those don't help. But Tokyo is also under both of those conditions: they face typhoons every summer, and the city is situated right on top of the Median Tectonic Line, so it's down to blind luck that they haven't had a magnitude-7 (major) earthquake recently. Somehow, though, that city has so far largely managed to avoid being run by a cannibal warlord.
Everytime the caption says "Hades," it is definitely spot-on.
BTW, when will Conan be having his next vacation there?
That Barbecue fellow seemed like a nice bloke.
I bet he got his nickname by inviting lots of his neighbours round for barbeques. Well.....Haiti has got the weather for it!
India was left the poorest country in the world, had to integrate 500+ princely states and had to fight a 2 year long war over Kashmir which started a conflict that sill lasts today
We never blame British we blame our own socialist and stupid governments post-independence
Your videos are excellent and informative.
Straight to the point and well done.
New subscriber. Keep up the good work.
You cannot dictate how people choose to live,maybe their cultural beliefs and life style cause their problems,but do not want to change
I’m not sure how this answers the question of why Haiti is collapsing. If find it a little hard to believe that most Haitians believe that their country’s problems are due to someone else’s actions. But then again, it doesn’t sound too absurd comparatively to some US citizens
This presentation doesn’t answer the question posed but simply debunks two common theories. Elephant in the room? What elephant?
@henryrodgers1752 He doesn't claim there's no elephant. He claims there are other animals in the room as well.
Do we even know what Haitians think their problems are?
We hear plenty from US and European academics on the subject, but we've learned not to trust them on our own issues, so what makes us think they're relevant on Haiti?
For all we know, you could give a random Haitian cab driver absolute power and he might have Haiti running efficiently before Christmas.
Yeah. Felt like the video finished just before he started to get to the point.
Western European have been a problem for the world.
The narrator is correct.
Why Haiti began and remains poor (pt 3 of 5).
(E) Subsistence Economy. The old and recent historical data show that exports are a small part of Haiti's economy. Settling for a Subsistence Economy, a Survival Economy is OK. There are tribes living the Stone Age style deep in the Amazon forest and in the jungles of the Congo and Papua New Guinea for thousands of years. Subsistence Economy can be done. However the Planet is populated with Predatory Nations. Fortunately for the Stone Age inhabitants of the Amazon, Central Africa and Papua New Guinea, they have the military protection of the sovereign countries in which they live. The Amish lives in a somewhat Subsistence Economy and there is no Amish Nation: the Amish community is part of the USA and is thus protected by the USA. Trying to maintain proper military power with a Subsistence Economy cannot be sustained for long.
(F) The low trust character of Haitian society. The Haitian and French revolutions have a few things in common: they are both based on J.E.A.R. = Jealousy, Envy, Anger, Resentment. JEAR is the blood of Socialism and Communism. The concern for "equality" is the launchpad for JEAR. Words "equal(ity)", "democracy" appears
_________________________________Equal(ity)____Democracy
US Declaration of Independence_____1_____________0
US Constitution____________________0_____________0
French Constitution 1793___________3_____________1
French Constitution 1958__________10_____________4
Haiti Constitution 1805___________3_____________0
Haiti Constitution 1987___________7_____________4
All the freed slaves in Haiti were given a plot of land and then the fun began. The Ancients had it correct: give 3 people equal amount of money at sunrise and they will become unequal before sunset. Dessalines was on his way to deal with some land speculators when he was assassinated. The point is: large-scale farms are much more efficient than small-scale farms and cooperative farms in Haiti were difficult to establish and these rare cooperatives did not last long. Thus time after time, Haiti falls back to a Subsistence Economy.
Are there today (2024 AD) large landowners (you know, them evil, nasty, greedy oligarchs!)? Yes. However, in 1950, 80% of the Artibonite Valley (where rice is grown) was still in the hands of the small farmers. The national economic dynamics is still dominated by small-land farmers.
The Amish, again. Amish companies are usually no more than 5 employees. Yet said small companies frequently combine together for large tasks. The trust aspect of Amish culture is rare in Haitian society. Mind you, Amish runs a mainly Subsistence Economy, not an Industrial Economy. If Haiti were Amish country, Haiti would be in much better shape. Mind you, the Amish are not warmongers and they would not invade the Dominican Republic.
Summary. Saint Domingue was a super producer of sugar in the late 1700's because of large-scale farming. Then came Independence of 1804. Land Reform: everyone gets equal share of the Land. Consequence of Land Reform: small-scale farming which brings about at best a Subsistence Economy, a Survival Economy. Haiti thus lost the status of Sugar Super-Producer and started on the Road to Poverty. Constant political turmoil is characteristic of a low-trust society. The low trust nature of Haitian culture makes difficult the establishment of cooperative farming needed for economic growth.
Maybe we don’t help them?
This was their 36th coup. Read the article Haiti the Zombie Republic by Alexander Causwell. Also the proposal to pay for independence was proposed by Haitian leadership, and to pay it they waged war against DR and occupyed it. Then there were about 25 coups before 1920 and in a similar chaotic situation to today the US invaded.
When you make a voodoo deal with the devil...
You never said why Haiti collapsed
because it didn't entirely collapse
@@user-pj7we7wd5t
Video title: "Why Haiti Collapsed"
Houston, we have a problem.
@@jimwerther collapsed? Was it ever functional?
Haitians.
Haiti and the Dominican republics colonial pasts were vastly different. Haiti was an almost entirely slave society. Santo Domingo was a lot less reliant of slavery, and had a lot more of self governance prepping its people for independence.
It's crazy how similar San Fransisco and Hati are
I'm French: they can blame us if they want i just don't give a s__t :)
From Google: Early in the 19th century, Haiti helped modern-day northwest Brazil, Guyana, Venezuela, Ecuador, Colombia, Panama, northern Peru, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, and Bolivia to obtain their independence.
Everytime they take control of their own future a powerful neighbor steps in.
Whenever we send billions of $$$ in aid to Haiti from the US, Canada and other nations, often after natural disasters or political unrest like right now, those nations feels good and virtuous about it. But do they ever examine exactly where all those aid $$ go? Or do they just hand them over the the Haitian government thinking it will be put to good use?
“Usual suspect” I see what you did there haha
THANK YOU FOR TELLING THE TRUTH!!!!!
Why are many countries in Latin America, the Caribbean, Africa and Asia successful? What can Haiti learn from the rest of the world?
Blame all around except oneself.
British extracted (stole) more than $45 trillion from India. India is like the 4rth largest economy with space exploration to the Moon and Mars
Different species have different IQs
There's more than one billions Indians , Apple and oranges, I'm pretty sure the French extract trillions out of Haiti.
False
Fake numbers. India was never that rich. It's only got a large GDP in the modern world because of its sheer population. They outnumber even China now, yet still have a GDP considerably smaller than Germany's.
That 45 trillion number was literally made up by some half-wit Marxist professor
Whenever blame is present forward without addressing the mismanagement of the island, I cringe. Too many other colonies existed that got their independence through violent seccession. How many of them had poverty inducing leeches sucking the wealth out of the country and how successful are they.
He basically blamed Haitian politicians for without a narrative for what they did wrong
It’s not me…it’s you
Simple they black
Extreme poverty is only matched by extreme corruption and criminality.
What could go wrong?
It’s the warlord mindset plain and simple
Sounds like you are describing the USA in the first 33 seconds of your piece.
Colonialism is obviously the reason it collapsed, I mean the same thing happened in Singapore … Oh wait
In Latin-America happens the same, almost 200 years after independence, the "colony" is still to blame for any problem.
Very interesting
Demographics is destiny
Barbeque lol
I almost want him to become the official leader just for the laughs
The french reparations were light on paper : equivalent to one year of estimated profits (before the resolution) for the sugar industry, and were signed 20 years after the revolution. Had Haiti put its main industry at least partially back on track, it should have been dealt with within a few years.
Compare with cotton production in the USA. It utterly collapsed in the 1860s due to events, and 5 years after it was done, it had bounced back over antebellum levels. Despite very similar conditions (a plantation-based industry that saw both war and slaves being freed). Haiti failed in 20+ years even a fraction of what the Southern USA did completely in 5.
It's a sign that ever since the start, Haiti has been utterly unable of managing its economy.
The worst thing that happened to the Dominicans was the Devastation of Osorio in 1606. Leaving the wester part of the island vacant is the reason why the french were able to slowly invade and then later on brought today's haitians after Spain was forced to sign the Treaty of Ryswick in 1697. If it wasn't for this then the entire island would've been inhabited only by Dominicas as it was before the french/haitian arrived similar to Cuba and Puerto Rico.
Many people don't want to admit it but haitians are pretty much similar to their colonizers, the French. Just like the french, the haitians slowly invaded the easter part of the island to the point DR had to give them five towns that are Hincha(now Hinche), Juana Méndez (now Ouanaminthe), San Rafael de La Angostura (now Saint Raphael), San Miguel de la Atalaya (now Saint Michel de Atalaye), Las Caobas (now Lascahobas) and Veladero (now Belladere) in 1936. The Parsley massacre was disgusting and no one can deny it yet we can't also deny the reason Trujillo order the death of haitians in DR was because they kept invading after been given five towns the previous year. Many people also forget that Trujillo was a Dominican dictator of haitian descendant through his maternal grandmother Altagracia Julia Molina Chevalier.
Let me resume the why any country is poor:
1- corruption
2-international oppression
3-corruption
4-corruption
President Bukele, in some way, proved that you can defeat european and american pressure to remain corrupt and lawless. It's a hard battle, but you can win it and improve your country
Also geography
1. Not wrong
2. Incorrect
3. Got that already
4. Got that already
5. Aggression normalization
@Pattern_Noticer 2 is not incorrect, b3fore you open your mouth, check Bukele story, and all the international pressure he suffered to be able to sent gang members to jail, and every colonial country suffer the same, every time they try to jail crook officials or criminals, there is a lot of international pressure to keep the status quo, but good try nevertheless
You speak facts and logic. Therefore you will be branded a hateful, bigoted, liar by the liberals.