Belichick, Patriots suffer another embarrassing loss, is Mac Jones the answer? | NFL | THE HERD
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- Julian Edelman played for the New England Patriots for 12 years, and so of course Colin Cowherd invited the former NFL player onto The Herd to discuss the decline of Bill Belichick's patriots. The much respected coach has now suffered two of the worse losses of his career back-to-back and Edelman expounds on what he thinks is missing, or if Mac Jones is truly to blame. They also discuss the success of Brock Purdy in San Francisco, and why the 49ers QB is the real deal. Plus, Russell Wilson and the Denver Broncos are 1-4, and Edelman tells Colin if Russ is doing enough to elevate the team.
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Notice how Edelman makes extremely insightful comments about everybody without badmouthing anybody. Total class guy.
So true, Edelman is a good dude.
yeah what if Mario Cristobal's end game coaching was brought up. Would he be all warm and fuzzy then?
Unlike JMac and his childish slander
he definitely bad mouthed nkeal harry in this video 😂😂😂
@@jackdriscoll8387that’s because he deserves it. Nkeal was the biggest draft bust in nfl history
Julian Edelman is so easy to listen to. No fake smile, no trying to impress with long, multi-syllabic words, no filler words that waste time. He just gets to the point in an honest easy manner that is really nice to listen to. I'm a fan.
Lmao you ain't got to hate on folks with a big vocabulary, but I get what you mean. He's easy to listen to.
Hey.. you’re right. some of those guys trying to up their vocabulary for the camera 😂.. makes me start laughing because they just try too hard
@rockjm9876543210 Exactly! As if having a diverse and developed vocabulary is something to be ashamed about. Maybe it's a reflection of just how dumbed-down the masses have become by mass-media, Hollywood, and K-12 schooling. Guys like this clown want to go back to primitive tribal grunting!😂
@@NotKD35acho comes to mind
Glad to see Edelman get so much love from the general NFL. He was always so knowledgeable, likable, and always keeps things fun! Glad his analyst career is growing
Yeah he’s just one of those guys a person could listen to speak football all day.
Well said.
same here - looove him. awesome takes - honest, confident and funny when appropriate
He played QB most former QBs get it
Julian Edelman is another brilliant mind that continuously teaches me about football. One of the best guests on this show
One of the best guests on the show. Keep it coming Colin, you have been killing it, Last year it was Sean, this year Edelman
Just music to our ears man
Housh!!
Edelman is exactly on the mark on three things - 1) The Niners are a team full of players that love the game 2) The Niners better be careful not to peak too early. 3) Health is the key for them at season's end. 2 & 3, everybody says. Not many folks pay enough attention to 1.
Niners have been here before, they’re not gonna peek at all early. They haven’t played their best yet!!!
@@nicoparise-jc5fsagreed.
Niners ain’t losing a game if CMC plays 17 games.
@@ABAYBAZ
The odds of him playing 17?
@@Black____ It’s tough bro. Niners are a competent organization but when you miss 20+ games in two seasons the worry is always there
colin you've been killing it this year with the people coming on, good job.
People have been coming on Colin for years, only the best come on Colin. It’s actually crazy how many athletes have come on Colin Cowherd.
Make coming on Colin great again.....
his producers actually do the booking
@@michaelr3583 Wait, are you saying that Colin has no influence over who comes on the show?
@@jagz6794 He probably just gives the emperors thumbs up or thumbs down
Love having Edelman on the show
The Pats are missing leaders like Edelman.
Even Mathew Slater is feeling dejected right now. The mood in that locker room must be horrible
Edelnut killed this interview. He should be the co-host at this point in Colin's career
Honestly one of the best interviews I’ve seen.
Football is all about the line play. No offensive line, no offense. No defensive line, no defense. It starts and ends there.
But every other position is a close second.
@@hokeywolf3416every other position is tied for 2nd.
Eagles and 49ers have two of the best lines on both sides…they’re a combined 10-0.
I agree that the O-line & D-line are the most crucial positions to a team’s overall success. However, I will say that when a team is spoiled with an All-Time great QB like a Brady or a Peyton Manning, these great QBs have the ability to hide some of their O-line’s weaknesses because of how great they are at making quick, accurate decisions with the football. Case in point. Look at the Colts that season where Peyton missed the whole season due to injury. With Peyton, the Colts were pretty much 13-3 or 12-4 every season (with the exception of Peyton’s rookie season). For a team to go from a consistent 12-4 (or 13-3) the previous 8 or 9 seasons to 1-15, just because they are missing ONE player, tells me that if that player happens to be an All-Time great QB, then for that particular team, the QB position leapfrogs the linemen as being the “most crucial” position (for that particular team’s overall success).
Let’s also say, hypothetically, after Tom Brady’s first 10 seasons with the Patriots (midway through Brady’s career), Bill Belichick was given an ultimatum by Kraft that Bill had to choose between keeping Brady versus keeping all 5 of their starting offensive lineman (all 5 of whom were perennial Pro-Bowl selections), Bill would keep Tom and take his chances on building a new O-line, as opposed to keeping his 5 All-Pro offensive lineman and having to find a QB to replace Tom. And I believe ANY head coach would make the same decision and choose to keep Tom over keeping all 5 All-Pro starting offensive linemen.
Say this for Bill: his track record on drafting and signing guys who win and then become excellent analysts is very high.
Julian Edelman is "my guy" and favorite player of all time. Delighted to see him transition to sports analysis and (no surprise) master it and make it his own style. Collin, you can have him come in once a week, and get the "11 bump" in your viewership!
Edleman was a great guest today. I like his belicheck take and his one on what purdy is asked to do and his arm post surgery. Also his insight on the three hour monday meetings with belicheck and tom
this man is a national treasure.
Edelman for NFL and Klatt for college are quickly becoming my two faves for analysis, down to earth and very knowledgeable, come with strong takes not hot takes and appropriate skepticism, no yelling or arguing. That’s the good stuff
Why do people keep saying that Brady didn't have a great arm? Yes he did one of the best deep ball thrower's ever. And I'm a Raiders fan. 🤔🇺🇸
His arm got much stronger over the years. His first few years, it was relatively weak, but it didn’t matter because he was accurate and made the right choices.
Same i always though he have a very good and Strong deep ball and i like it
Because that was the narrative in the early aughts when Manning was throwing to Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison and Dallas Clark, while Brady was throwing to Troy Brown, David Givens and David Patten. When Belichick actually got him a deep threat in Moss, Brady was throwing bombs every game. A strong arm is what makes those thread-the-needle passes work, which was Brady's bread and butter.
The vast majority of NFL fans can't think with their own heads, they hear a narrative and run with it for the rest of their lives, despite clear evidence to the contrary.
Brady has a cannon this narrative was always bs
Because people are dumb and always try to belittle Brady.
Belichick in 10 seasons of coaching without Tom Brady: 79-88 record, including 42-41 at home and 31-64 vs .500 teams, 7 losing seasons, 0 Division titles.
Belichick with Tom Brady: 219-64 and 6 SB titles. The fact is, with another coach, Brady would have won perhaps 7 or 8 SB for the Patriots. For example, the decision to bench Malcolm Butler just before the start of the SB against the Eagles cost them the game. Obviously, the players on the defensive team were completely distracted by the decision to bench the veteran player. Belichick is dramatically exposed since Brady left New England...
This is an assumption, not a fact…
@@murilooliveira2062yet Mr. Defense Belichick conceded 41 points. Not to mention the Eli manning blunders
I get the case, but it is not the only variable. You have to look at it year by year. 2000 was his first year with the Pats, so the roster wasn't that good. 2001 Brady was just starting and the defense really carried the team, with Brady doing just enough (Raiders and Rams, e.g.). So, go like that to 2023, you will see a lot of talent turnover, some unlucky plays, some mistakes on the part of the other team (Seattle), inexplicable strategy by the opponent (Falcons), defense again won against Rams for Brady's 6th. Most years when they were offensive juggernaut, they failed to win the SB. So, you cannot look just at the record. I think Belichick did make mistakes, but he is responsible for everything around there, Brady for the offense. The culture Brady exhuded was Belichick's. It's just that Belichick needs a GM, he needs consultants who think like him, not his kids, not coaches who failed elsewhere (O'Brien, Patricia, Judge). Lombardi was a good fit there, for example.
Bill made Tom. Period. Darth Sidious is an amazing coach full of knowledge. He coached Pats to a couple of championships they had no business of winning. So let’s stop with the hate on Bill. You want to talk about a coach who hung on the coattails of his players, then look at Medicore Phil Jackson. Without Jordan, Phil would be flipping donuts
@@canadasugardaddysugardaddy1797 Not sure if you’re trolling, but how many championships did Jordan and Kobe win without Jackson?
I love to watch Julian's take on different teams. He was so successful because of his brains and his love of the game.
God I miss this guy on the Patriots!!! We need someone to step up and put in the work like they used too!
julian edelman is going to go down as the best former athlete sports analyst in the game. he is freaking killing it
The Patriots players need to take note from Julian Edelman 💪
That part. The pride, the preparation, the team first mentality - it’s just not there.
Edelman is such an awesome human being
Edelman should be a hall of famer. Second to Jerry Rice in all playoff statistics
As a PatFan since 1960. Jules is one of my favorite Patriots. Loved the way he played and love his commentary now. He should be in the HOF one day. A 7th round pick to go on and be a 3 time SB winner and a SB MVP. Colin need to keep him as a guest.
Yeah, put him in the HOF with all of the other average WRs.
@@smithyamiami: Jules an "average WR"? GTFOH!
No he shouldn’t be in the HOF, maybe patriots HOF but not the NFL
@@slimetime3270: It's called the "Pro Football Hall of Fame", not the NFL hall of fame. LOL.
Be that as it may, Jules isn't a first ballot, but he should most definitely be considered for the HOF. He was a key player in 3 World Championships, and named MVP for one of them. Not to mention, he was one of the NFL's most productive postseason receivers. He ranks third in postseason receiving yards and receptions, and he holds Super Bowl records for punt returns.
@@MGB18 Why should be be in the hall of fame. 6000 career receiving yards, 36 Receiving TD'S. Those aren't hall of fame numbers. He also has zero pro bowls or all pros. He was never the best in the league at his position. He only had 3 1,000 yard seasons. Look if he starts getting in then we need to consider who is getting left out. Greg Jennings should be a hall of famer if Julian gets voted in. I don't think Jennings should be close but if Julian gets in it becomes a debate. There is a good chance in the next year or two Devante parker has better career numbers than Julian Edelman. In no way should he be enshrined. It would cheapen the hall of fame's standards. It would start looking more like the basketball hall of fame.
Edelman is an amazing guest. Him and Mark Sanchez are my favorites. Get him on more.
Julian still doing his thing! Appreciate that guy!
Nkeal Harry is the first that comes to mind. Wise words Edelman
He was Awful! Hurt all the time too !
The stud wire ours they passed on for that guy is crazy. Samuel, AJ Brown, Metcalf.
Love me some Edelman. He played much bigger, faster and stronger than he was built.
Loved Edelman he was mister reliable for the Pat's and one of the Best WR we every had in New England and in the league.
You signed two guys from Miami who were let walk because they couldn’t separate. (Parker and Gesicki). They are really doing an injustice to Mac.
Agree. No one here is saying Mac is a special talent, but he’s a capable qb with a team around him and there’s evidence of it at Alabama and his first year in the nfl, including a near comeback win against Brady his rookie year under McDaniels. Discussing San Francisco in the same conversation is a joke to me. Brock executes and it’s impressive, but he executes in an environment that is set up for him to succeed on every single level with talent, some of the best in the league, and coaching that is QB centered. The patriots have the worst in the league on most levels, and Mac Jones is set up to fail and punished for not making magic happen and overcoming failures at every stage. Brock wouldn’t look the same if he played in New England, Tua would already be back on IR.
They went to the playoffs in 2021 with McDaniel as OC. The polayers are there they just need an OC
Gesecki was actually good in Miami, Tua just doesn't really throw it to the tight end and you didn't need him if you were going to stack the deck at WR.
Literally right before he said I sound like Belichick, I was thinking, man this guy is starting to sound a lot like Bill.
Brady said he’d retired when he sucked, but he still today could make and win a play off game.
Russ to the Patriots for Mac Jones (to Denver). Stidham gets promoted to starter, Jones becomes his backup, and Russ gets to play for a coach who truly loves his game and appreciates him.
The Patriots need to swing some other trades.
Yes! Said this months ago and caught heat on Patriots social media pages, Russ has had problems in Denver but I think he would do well in the Patriots organization where he fits in with the culture a little bit more. He has to be more accessible to his teammates tho
love julian edelman approach to the questions...he should be in the hall of fame from the catch he made in the super bowl vs falcons😎
Great segment !! This guy was clutch! When needed & nice to hear fresh (from the NFL) guy's opinions. He could end up a great analyst too🤷🏻♂..
Edle Nutz is the best new voice in sports I'm glad he made this move after football
Excellent interview
Me too, I still can't figure out Bill letting Jacoby Meyers go.
Myers sucks
I think Belicheck never forgave him for that stupid lateral that cost us the game. Wish he could’ve though
Julian is world class on field and off at an analyst
Never forget Cowherd said that the Panthers would win the south....
Ill give you 1 million if u give sports opinions for 3 hours, 5 times a week, 50 weeks a year and not be wrong at least 10 times in terrible ways.
750 hours a year, for years
Bigdeboatl23 Colin probably finds a clever way to get around that one
Edelnut is a class act !
Julian is a smart guy. He should try coaching.
Especially considering how many concussions he got. Iron man 💪🏻
Julian couldn’t take the pay cut.
From the standpoint Edelman mentions, a defensive HC can be better than an offensive one as long as there’s a great O.C. and the HC takes time to sit with his QB and teach him defenses.
Vikes fan here, Edelman has quickly become one of my favorite guys to listen to. Very smart and very tough and very talented player. Good for him in his 2nd chapter.
Most OCs making their offense easier with new teams then add to it was they get more familiar with it. Bill O'Brien makes it super hard to show everyone how smart he is.
Jules could seriously consider coaching! He would definitely have the locker room, he understands the game, people, and how to motivate. Honestly think he'd succeed!
Julian gets it. On point takes all the time. He should be calling nfl or college games.
Why Belichick didn't help Mac Jones along better is beyond me. It's like he wanted a throwback style team of defense and running and Jones just bail them out on 3rd down but he needs reps and rhythm and confidence.
N'Keal Harry was def the guy Edelman was talking about. Aaron Dobson is another, despite being a 2nd Rd pick
Love hearing Julian talk football
Edelman gives you the strong opinions but with more success than Sean Payton had.
Same confidence. Bring him back!! Great guest.
Nothings better then watching Collin talk to Edelman like he’s never played played in the NFL 😂
1:30 He’s talking about N keal Harry from training camp in 2019 everyone knew that he’s was 🗑️💩🤢🤮 from jump
Except BB
@@KevinSmith-fo1sf Facts, & that’s the problem
Or bill is tanking for Caleb Williams and can go back to drafting all defense afterwards like he loves.
Don’t think he’s Bills kind of player. Too off of the script.
If I was a pats fan I'll be grateful for all those SB wins. One or two bad years is nothing. There are teams suffering for decades.
7:27 - "I think that Bill taught Brady differently. They had a different type of relationship where Bill taught Brady defenses. They would meet every Monday for three hours and go over the defense they were [facing]. Every week. Every Monday Bill and Brady would sit and watch film and Bill would give Brady his takes on what he thought the defense was trying to do and they probably developed a relationship. And that's what Bill's two cents went into with Brady."
Its really apparent and amazing the impact a qb has on a teams success. A guy that can pick apart a defense, be composed and make plays when it counts. Look at stroud, that offense should be trash but its not because that dude is a baller.
Love how Colin doesn't let Edelman finish a sentence before cutting him off
Some station should sign Edleman quick!
The thing nobody mentions is that they had bottom 3 draft picks for 20 years. Hall of Fame GMs hit on 50% of their first round picks when it's an average pick, 1-16. When your picking 29-32 in every round of every draft for 20 years your hit rate is going to be 5% at best. The league is designed to punish successful teams.
" Snapface" 🤣
Retired Edelman is a internet blessing
I could listen to Julian Edelman talk about football whole day 🤩
Wait, so New England teaches the receivers;
to get open,
catch the ball and
block for the running game… Profound Patriot way
I’m breaking chops though it pains me to say it as a New York Jet Fan, I love Julian Edelman. Every interview podcast or whatever I see him and I automatically stop and watch.
Julian is such a likeable dude. Hilarious too
Edelman is good with talking football. He seems to be quite a fan of tons of players as well.
Love him or hate him but Colin brings on some great guests with great intel! Keep it coming Colin!
If the Chiefs didn't kick 3 FG, then the Buc's beat them 31-0 in the SB, just keep the score in prospective 😊😊
Brady threw 3 TD's in the 1st half against K.C/ No way Mac Jones would be doing the same
Edelman is actually a pretty bright analyst!
Damn, Edelman for Pats OC!
PEDS
The ravens WRS all their game checks on the Pittsburgh Steeler. That was a classic game rigging
Colin named too many hall of fame 'level' minds from NE. There will be Brady, Gronk, Ty Law and should be Samuel, Harrison, McGinist. There are not many over that period, so that means Brady was the main deal. Even The Chicago Bulls only had Jordan, Pippen and Rodman from all of those times, and Rodman arguably would have been in without Chicago.
IT WAS BRADY!
We love this couple, need to be every week
Bill gets a pass for the next decade if he wants, he drafted the greatest qb of all time in the 6th round and had the balls to name him starter over the in house 100 million dollar qb, and he drafted the greatest tight end of all time.
Love me some Edelnut, keep up the good work 👍🏼
Edelman is a straight stud as a player and as an analyst.
That what I been saying the patriots don’t have Wrs. But the media will tell you it’s all Mac jones fault. Even if the patriots drafted another quarterback with no Wrs the results is always gonna be the same.
Football is a team game plain and simple sure Caleb Williams has a higher ceiling and can scramble but I want pats to keep Mac and draft a top wideout
@@joshmontez7982caleb has a better offensive line than the Patriots do.
That’s the problem with the Broncos: too many of the players don’t love football.
Wow, what an interview. Just like podcast interviews with the Kelce Brothers. Jules loves football and is smarter than most!
When Cowherd says 'couldnt give a rip' it makes my heart cringe.
Jules knows the position better than anybody tough mother !!
Colin - you need to have Edelnut on more!
Edelman definitely needs his own show
Jules and Dola were amazing
Jules for catching coach for Pats he would also be a great motivator.
I would like to see a chart of quarterback efficiency per dollar paid per year.
Problem is if you have a defensive head coach is if you have a great play caller on your staff you’re going to eventually loose them when they become a head coach. If your head coach was already your play caller then wont have to worry about it😊
He’s definitely talking about Nkeal harry
Heres how patriots draft 24 should go:
Rd 1. Qb (preterably a mobile qb)
Rd 2. OT
Rd 3. WR/Offensive Guard
Rd 4. RB
Rd 5-7. Kicker, More offensive weapons!!!
Edelman on point during this interview, down to the last comment
Great interview...
Tank for Caleb
In that Patriots-Rams Superbowl, I always felt like McVay didn't prepare Goff for what he would possibly be facing. He caught a lot of flak but he got there with no Kupp, no Gurley. A lot of that loss was simply that McVay wasn't a "genius" and Belichick knew that he was stubborn just like every other guy from the Shanahan tree.
Can we talk about Edelman's excellent hair line?
Julian Edelman was the truth so talented, strong, durable and clutch certainly one of the best receivers to play the game my opinion
Was surprised to see Henry Hunter still on team.