Please do not judge image quality solely from this video alone, because our camera's limited dynamic range cannot fully capture the HDR presentation accurately. Also, 2017 OLEDs introduce some blue tint off-axis which is unavoidable due to our camera/ TV placement, leading to colour differences which are not present in real-life viewing. But hey, it's in 4K! :-)
Love the comparison! When I output to HDR10 the video is still passing Dolby Vision, so are we getting true HDR10 or is it trying to turn DV back into HDR10.
Even though the picture is marginally better on 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray from "normal" viewing distance etc. I for one appreciate the physical aspect of the media as well. I like the own my movies and collect them. The fact that it also has the best possible quality is a nice bonus.
You could zoom in closer so we could see that graininess that you said is visible in the oppo but smoothed out on Apple TV. For HDR you could record twice: once with longer exposure / wider aperture so we can compare the darks and see the blockiness you mentioned, and once with shorter exposure / narrower aperture so we can see the detail in the bright regions.
Again, a very informative video. I very much appreciate you taking the time to make these kind of comparisons that videophiles want to. You cant find these kind of comparisons anywhere. Keep up the good work.
Great video. One of the biggest questions many have is whether Dolby Vision content with a lower bitrate from Apple TV looks better than UHD Blu-ray in HDR10 (i.e. without dynamic metadata). Studios seem to be releasing many more movies in Dolby Vision on Apple TV and simply releasing HDR10 to UHD blu-rays. A huge bummer for enthusiasts.
Thanks for the comparison. Normal viewing distance you lose the resolution anyway - but it's relevant for those who sit close or have projectors. It would be interesting to see a comparison between a blu-ray and Apple's 4K HDR. 15mbit just isn't going to cut it. Hoping for offline versions
That's true, especially when not many people have a hundred megabit per second's internet connection. But if you like Hi-Fi you'll probably prefer the Blu-Ray
Ellipsis22 not to mention the space, if you love film enough to want to fork out top dollar for Blu-ray my guess is you probably have hundreds or thousands of favourites, who has the money and space to buy every great title, plus the time to watch them more than once, rendering ownership the worst option for your living environment and your wallet.
@@rogerhalt3991 *"Owning the physical media matters to a lot of people. It can’t be taken away."* Funny that you would say that 6 months ago when this exact thing happened when HBO Max took down "Gone With the Wind". Seeing what's going now with films and TV shows being potentially taken down, censored, or altered, discs might have a new value. Perhaps this won't matter to a casual viewer of a product, but more series fans might care. And, in fact, there are still many things still not available for streaming or even purchase digitally.
I think the difference between Audio if you use a good AV receiver is massive between Digital and Disc format, but as Vincent has highlighted the image/video quality is much lesser a difference. You should have at-least 35Mb Internet speed. Adaptive streaming is brilliant and surprised streaming services such as Netflix do not do this yet.
Hello Vincent, thank you very much for this very informative Video. Can you tell me how I can activate the Apple TV information for streaming bitrate etc.. (the yellow text on the top left corner)? greetings
Thanks for a great review Vincent! You confirmed what I was seeing with my comparison I did with my B6P. I will now only buy a disc if the movie is of iconic or reference quality.
Hi Vincent! I've asked this more than once! You showed that you could bring up the playback info HUD on the apple tv 4k box I have an apple tv 4k box but I don't know how to bring up the playback info. When I say to siri that show me playback info siri says no info on back info. how do I fix this problem? your answer would be much appreciated!!! Paul Benny
Luminance fluctuation is still a problem. I just watched Wonder Woman on the Apple 4k TV (OS 11.1) on a LG B7 Oled and the luminance fluctuated dramatically several times when moving between day and night scenes.
Question for Vincent: Did you notice any luminance issues during playback? Currently Dolby Vision playback over HDMI from the Apple TV and Chromecast on LG OLED televisions introduces some annoying luminance fluctuations mainly in dark scenes which destroys black levels. You can see it quite clearly in letterboxed movies by oserving how the black letterboxed changes between black to dark grey. It doesn't happen when using LG's built in Netflix app. One example is the Netflix show "Manhunter" episode 8 frem 8:40 and forward.
You should do this test again. I have found that older more grainy films tend to look different than their UHD discs. For example “The Big Lebowski” looks quite a bit better on disc.
Not related to the Apple TV, but LG recently released their Technicolor color mode firmware for their 2017 Oleds, and I was wondering if you're planning on making a review of it? Love your content
While the video from streaming may be negligible, the differences between streaming and blu-ray is very evident when comparing sound. The dynamic range when streaming is severely compromised.
Thanks for very interesting comparison. I know your love good picture quality, but what about the sound? there is no dolby atmos, but does the Apple TV play dolby master?
how about 1080p content on a 1080p panel 65 in vs 4k on a 4k panel from 3 meters away? iside from side by side, seems 1080p could be sharp enough for most from a distance?
Thank you for the comparison video Vincent. Could you confirm the Firmware version on the LG B7s. I just got the 4.70.07 update on my C7 which lists a lip sync correction in its notes. Could you also do a video on the new Technicolor Mode introduced by the new firmware update. Is it something useful/better than a calibrated ISF Mode ( I did notice that out-of-the-box Technicolor mode was much closer to 6500k than a non-calibrated cinema mode).
can you do in the next video step by step calibraton guife for the lg b7 65" a lot of us are waiting for this so that we can watch this and can do it in the settings menu in the tv please do it
I don't see the point anyway because his calibrated settings aren't going to match to your individual panel and environment = pointless. I guess he could make a video where he explains the settings but sharing his individual screen and environment settings is pointless.
Very good video. I prefer Disc over streaming anytime. The difference between 4k streaming vs 4k Disc is MORE prominent when there is fast moving action scenes. The streaming loose detail and pixelates. While fast action remains clear on the 4k Disc. You should do segment compare that. Thx.
Actually, the biggest problem with movement on UHD BluRay isn't compression, it's the 24p framerate. You can't really get fluid and sharp movement with so few frames...
@@rolandrohde If the display can display 24p content at a higher frame rate, that is a multiple of 24, such as 72hz or 120hz, movement will be buttery smooth. Pioneer Elite plasmas utilized 72hz , and Some Vizio 4K displays use 120hz.
@@conchobar Not without Interpolation. If you Output 24p at a higher multiple of 24, then it will still be juddery, because it just repeats each frame several times.
Great comparison. I've heard (can't find the source so just spreading rumors) that Apple does it's own encoding for iTunes and AppleTV. If that's so, bit-rate isn't telling you the whole story. The quality of the encoder makes a difference too. A few years ago JPEGmini came out with a proprietary JPG encoder that created stock-standard JPG files with a higher perceptual quality at the same file size. The same can apply to video.
In short, for most they look the same. The 384kbps bitrate for audio is a concern though. Although none of my friends I did blind audio tests with could tell the difference. ATV has even more film snow supporting increased audio bitrate too. Netflix and Amazon as well. My video torture test is the opening of Shutter Island when the boat comes out of the fog. Ultimately I prefer the on-demand nature of streaming and not having to create shelf space for discs. Also, so few discs in DV. Let's not forget ATV increases bitrate and resolution as time and tech moves forward. For free.
Thanks for the very useful and in-depth comparison. It sounds like the differences are a bit less pronounced than they are for 1080p iTunes vs Blu-ray, so that’s very welcome. In the 1080p era I’ve used iTunes streaming for rentals, but when I want to buy a movie I get the Blu-ray, and I think I’ll probably do the same when I upgrade to UHD.
That was my plan, too; until recently I finally got myself a capable 4K tv. The quality of streaming 4K hdr contents is so high I started to doubt the need for physical disc. I have so many versions of Star Wars, Alien, Blade Runner discs ever since the introduction of the Laser Disc format. I am tired of organizing them and upgrading disc players. Streaming seems to be catching up with physical disc. Even a respected professional calibrator is impressed. I feel now is the time to drop the disc.
@@subzerohf Yes, I find dealing with the discs a big hassle too and I've changed my policy a bit since I wrote that comment. Now I buy some movies on iTunes and Amazon, and only buy the discs for my absolute favourites.
Streaming is more convenient, but I really prefer the higher quality of the blu ray disks. Reason, I play extra for Netflix premium but the compression is so bad that I really don't notice a difference. Vs if I pop in a disk it's like night and day. Edit: obviously the difference is hard to notice if you're scrutinizing still frames. But when the image is actually in motion is when you notice more compression artifacts.
@HDTVtest this great video deserves an upstate! There are a number of UHD Blu-ray players that support Dolby vision now, but almost no reviews or comparisons of their DV capability, especially not including streaming devices such as the Apple TV 4K. Please enlighten us!
I do appreciate the comparisons! 👍. What I didn’t enjoy is the repeating the playback info and the unnecessary cursor movement. The blue ray as seen on my iPad wins for derail although the Apple TV had more info in the shadows of the face - lighter image
Lol at the beginning (LG A1!) but at 13:00 I was wondering how come both TVs suddently had their own stands. Only at the end it became clear why. Vincent you mentioned it several times but did not provide a number: what was that exact *normal viewing distance* you were watching these 65" 4K panels from? This is very important because for normal 20/20 vision, after just 2.58 meters we would *not* be able to resolve Full HD resolution pixels on a 65" panel, much less 4K pixels. To take advantage of 4K over Full HD on a 65" panel, we would need to sit closer than 2.58 meters (but not closer than 1.29 m in order to still not resolve 4K pixels.) Too close viewing distances are not always comfortable or practical, but what I mention above is the case because of how our eyes and visual acuity work. If a typical viewing distance for a 65" tv is large enough (> 2.6 m,) that actually works in favor of Apple TV. Precisely the extra detail offered by the UltraHD Bluray cannot be resolved by normal vision at those distances on these panels. (Of course, quite not so few people have better-than-normal 20/20 vision though.) HDR always remains impactful regardless of resolution, but viewing distance is critical with respect to resolution and detail, and it might render 4K effectively useless over Full HD (or UltraHD Bluray over Apple TV, for that matter.) Wrote about this on my personal blog quite a while ago, with further details: fluviolabenti.blogspot.de/2016/10/when-does-screen-have-too-much.html
Can you notice the difference between 4K HDR10/Dolby Vision and upscale DVD to 1080p? I have a large DVD collection that I play back through ps3 console with hdmi on a 4K HDR TV but they are taking up too much space and I’m considering upgrading/converting to Apple TV and just renting higher resolution films.
Hi Vince. I would love to know how Netflix app on Apple TV compares to the LG built in app. How does the always on Dolby Vision impact non HDR content? Also; how does Vudu on LG compare to Vudu on iTunes? I think this will be much more informative to people who are interested in a streaming box for their 4K TV. Thanks!
In my experience (having used most to all 4K streaming services and two 4K Blu-ray players), watching a 4K Blu-ray disc in the Xbox One X (I have no experience with the Oppo player, but hear it's amazing) is THE best 4K movie experience yet. Blows 4K streaming out of the water!
The big difference between the two is the audio. The ATV decodes the DD or DD+ track and passes it through. On a disc or a rip you will get the lossless audio track.
I would love to see a similar shootout between: SDR HD iTunes to SDR BLU Ray , SDR Blue vs DolbyVision iTunes , SDR BluRay to HDR BluRay aka BlackRay I am curious of the Mbps delivered to the panel and if that appears to affect the background texture as much or more than we saw between iTunes Dolby and HDR 4K BluRay. ...
Thanks so much for this!!! 👍🏻 I own the LG B7, the Oppo and the Apple TV4K so this is very helpful! In Sweden a 4K ultra HD blu-ray disc cost 299:- SEK to buy, you can’t rent a 4K ultra HD blu-ray movie in Sweden, only 1080p blu-ray, rent a 4K ultra HD blu-ray movie from iTunes cost 49:- SEK. Big difference!
Tecnically as long as the stream and disc share the same bitrate, codification, etc, they should look the same. In a nice world, a stream should be the same original media just simply being downloaded and played at the same time.
Would connecting the Apple 4k tv to the Oppo increase the picture/stream quality of the Apple Tv. Since th Oppo has the 2nd HDMI in, connecting the Apple tv and using the Oppo video processor, I'm thinking would improve the quality.
Lg + 4K Apple TV vs Sony A1e + 4K Apple TV comparison? Thanks for educating us. Your videos are always very informative. You just got yourself another subscriber!
Very good comparison indeed, thanks. Have you also done a comparison between blue ray 4k xbox one s/x vs blue ray 4k player? I got suspicion xbox blu ray is not as good....
Have you ever reviewed a Nvidia Shield TV 4K? Or have you ever checked out plex? Would love to see you review that as it’s what I mainly use with my new LG 4K
I have a LG 55B7 and have severe lipsyncing issues with my sound when I feed it with Dolby Vision from Apple TV 4k. 😕 It gets acceptable if I go down to 4k HDR. Any tips on how to remedy this? Tried fiddling with the audiosync but can't get it anywhere near acceptable.
On my old apple tv box if the broadband wasn't fast enough all I have to do is pause for 10 minutes and the box buffers enough to play at best quality, does the new one not do this ? I mean why does it have 64 gigabytes of memory ?
Do these 2017 OLEDs have the latest FW? I think LG just released a new one where it addressed syncing issues and some flickering.. Anyway, I’m glad to know that the differences in fast motion is not that big too.
Hello there .!! Witch TV would you choose for 3000 euros? SONY KD55A1BAEP OLED , LOEWE bild 4.55 OLED , PANASONIC TX-55EZW954 OLED , LG 65B7D OLED , PHILIPS 55POS9002 ?? It will be used for Home Theater
you should have compared the final Spider-man vs Vulture or the Avenger's cargo plane hijack scenes since they are very dark and will, uh, highlight the differences in shadow detail rendering and/or retention.
My question would be: How does the Apple TV 4K measure against Netflix? Does the bought movies from iTunes in 4K have better PQ? And by that I especially think of noise, because personally I cannot stand the amount of compression noise I get in the picture from Netflix, but I kind of want to avoid having to store all the movies I see. So for that reason I want to see if I can use the Apple TV 4K and buy the movies from iTunes instead.
Please do not judge image quality solely from this video alone, because our camera's limited dynamic range cannot fully capture the HDR presentation accurately.
Also, 2017 OLEDs introduce some blue tint off-axis which is unavoidable due to our camera/ TV placement, leading to colour differences which are not present in real-life viewing.
But hey, it's in 4K! :-)
Love the comparison! When I output to HDR10 the video is still passing Dolby Vision, so are we getting true HDR10 or is it trying to turn DV back into HDR10.
What display settings are you using? Image pop is ridiculous using both platforms.
The Apple TV 4K box is converting Dolby Vision to HDR10 on the fly. Not true HDR10.
Where i live, if you order a disc at amazon before 10:00Am you get same day delivery, full bitrate video on demand? ^^
Great video by the way :)
Calibrated settings. :-)
19:44 His Summary.... you’re welcome
Just made this the 28th thumbs up in honor of this 28 minute, overly long video.
@@totalbliss1 Could have been 8 mins if he hadn't repeated himself 28 times per minute.
You da VIP
Thanks
rude asshole
Even though the picture is marginally better on 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray from "normal" viewing distance etc. I for one appreciate the physical aspect of the media as well. I like the own my movies and collect them. The fact that it also has the best possible quality is a nice bonus.
You could zoom in closer so we could see that graininess that you said is visible in the oppo but smoothed out on Apple TV.
For HDR you could record twice: once with longer exposure / wider aperture so we can compare the darks and see the blockiness you mentioned, and once with shorter exposure / narrower aperture so we can see the detail in the bright regions.
Again, a very informative video. I very much appreciate you taking the time to make these kind of comparisons that videophiles want to. You cant find these kind of comparisons anywhere. Keep up the good work.
Great video. One of the biggest questions many have is whether Dolby Vision content with a lower bitrate from Apple TV looks better than UHD Blu-ray in HDR10 (i.e. without dynamic metadata). Studios seem to be releasing many more movies in Dolby Vision on Apple TV and simply releasing HDR10 to UHD blu-rays. A huge bummer for enthusiasts.
I believe they are steering us from physical media by doing this.
Again the question how do you enable to stream playback info on Apple TV I can’t find it anywhere. Please
Thanks for the comparison. Normal viewing distance you lose the resolution anyway - but it's relevant for those who sit close or have projectors. It would be interesting to see a comparison between a blu-ray and Apple's 4K HDR. 15mbit just isn't going to cut it. Hoping for offline versions
If you can't tell the difference without getting next to the tv and looking at skin pores, it probably doesn't matter.
That's true, especially when not many people have a hundred megabit per second's internet connection.
But if you like Hi-Fi you'll probably prefer the Blu-Ray
I can.
Owning the physical media matters to a lot of people. It can’t be taken away..
Ellipsis22 not to mention the space, if you love film enough to want to fork out top dollar for Blu-ray my guess is you probably have hundreds or thousands of favourites, who has the money and space to buy every great title, plus the time to watch them more than once, rendering ownership the worst option for your living environment and your wallet.
@@rogerhalt3991 *"Owning the physical media matters to a lot of people. It can’t be taken away."*
Funny that you would say that 6 months ago when this exact thing happened when HBO Max took down "Gone With the Wind".
Seeing what's going now with films and TV shows being potentially taken down, censored, or altered, discs might have a new value. Perhaps this won't matter to a casual viewer of a product, but more series fans might care. And, in fact, there are still many things still not available for streaming or even purchase digitally.
The end of this video is perfect 😂😂💯👍
Well done and very important review! Thanks for your efforts on this channel!
I think the difference between Audio if you use a good AV receiver is massive between Digital and Disc format, but as Vincent has highlighted the image/video quality is much lesser a difference.
You should have at-least 35Mb Internet speed. Adaptive streaming is brilliant and surprised streaming services such as Netflix do not do this yet.
Hello Vincent,
thank you very much for this very informative Video. Can you tell me how I can activate the Apple TV information for streaming bitrate etc.. (the yellow text on the top left corner)?
greetings
Great comparison and very helpful
Hi Vincent, would you compare the upscaling quality (1080p to 4K) and native 4K HDR quality of Zidoo X10 vs nvidia shield vs Panasonic UB900
Thanks for a great review Vincent! You confirmed what I was seeing with my comparison I did with my B6P. I will now only buy a disc if the movie is of iconic or reference quality.
How do you turn on that log with all video and audio formats info???
Thanks Vincent very informative.
That ending made me laugh pretty hard. Thanks for making this video.
Hi Vincent! I've asked this more than once! You showed that you could bring up the playback info HUD on the apple tv 4k box
I have an apple tv 4k box but I don't know how to bring up the playback info. When I say to siri that show me playback info siri says no info on back info. how do I fix this problem? your answer would be much appreciated!!!
Paul Benny
Luminance fluctuation is still a problem. I just watched Wonder Woman on the Apple 4k TV (OS 11.1) on a LG B7 Oled and the luminance fluctuated dramatically several times when moving between day and night scenes.
Question for Vincent:
Did you notice any luminance issues during playback? Currently Dolby Vision playback over HDMI from the Apple TV and Chromecast on LG OLED televisions introduces some annoying luminance fluctuations mainly in dark scenes which destroys black levels. You can see it quite clearly in letterboxed movies by oserving how the black letterboxed changes between black to dark grey. It doesn't happen when using LG's built in Netflix app. One example is the Netflix show "Manhunter" episode 8 frem 8:40 and forward.
As always, very informative and entertaining.
You should do this test again. I have found that older more grainy films tend to look different than their UHD discs. For example “The Big Lebowski” looks quite a bit better on disc.
Not related to the Apple TV, but LG recently released their Technicolor color mode firmware for their 2017 Oleds, and I was wondering if you're planning on making a review of it? Love your content
Been waiting for somebody to compare these for ages. Thanks Vincent!
Joolz1982 lllioi
I love this guy
this guy need to stfu
Great comparision, thanks for creating the video. How did you bring up the head up display on the ATV?
While the video from streaming may be negligible, the differences between streaming and blu-ray is very evident when comparing sound. The dynamic range when streaming is severely compromised.
Thanks for very interesting comparison. I know your love good picture quality, but what about the sound? there is no dolby atmos, but does the Apple TV play dolby master?
Great video as always. How do you check the bitrate on the apple tv? How can i display that data written in yellow?
Hi! How do you switch on the playback info on your LG TV (I’ve a 55E9)? Thank you
how about 1080p content on a 1080p panel 65 in vs 4k on a 4k panel from 3 meters away? iside from side by side, seems 1080p could be sharp enough for most from a distance?
Thank you for the comparison video Vincent. Could you confirm the Firmware version on the LG B7s. I just got the 4.70.07 update on my C7 which lists a lip sync correction in its notes. Could you also do a video on the new Technicolor Mode introduced by the new firmware update. Is it something useful/better than a calibrated ISF Mode ( I did notice that out-of-the-box Technicolor mode was much closer to 6500k than a non-calibrated cinema mode).
can you do in the next video step by step calibraton guife for the lg b7 65" a lot of us are waiting for this so that we can watch this and can do it in the settings menu in the tv
please do it
Hamoud Neda yaaaaaass!
This guy calibrates screens for a living so he is hardly going to show you how to make him unemployed ! He is not a DIY guy.
I don't see the point anyway because his calibrated settings aren't going to match to your individual panel and environment = pointless. I guess he could make a video where he explains the settings but sharing his individual screen and environment settings is pointless.
The Audio House exactly... not realistic..esp when a proper calibration in home takes 2-3 hrs
Very good video. I prefer Disc over streaming anytime. The difference between 4k streaming vs 4k Disc is MORE prominent when there is fast moving action scenes. The streaming loose detail and pixelates. While fast action remains clear on the 4k Disc. You should do segment compare that. Thx.
Actually, the biggest problem with movement on UHD BluRay isn't compression, it's the 24p framerate. You can't really get fluid and sharp movement with so few frames...
@@rolandrohde If the display can display 24p content at a higher frame rate, that is a multiple of 24, such as 72hz or 120hz, movement will be buttery smooth. Pioneer Elite plasmas utilized 72hz , and Some Vizio 4K displays use 120hz.
@@conchobar
Not without Interpolation. If you Output 24p at a higher multiple of 24, then it will still be juddery, because it just repeats each frame several times.
*lose. Only one O in lose. Loose = opposite of tight.
That's when you go with a cat8 ethernet cable for the maximum lossless connection instead of wifi.
Hi, how do you enable this playback info hud on apple tv? I can't find the developer options.
Great comparison. I've heard (can't find the source so just spreading rumors) that Apple does it's own encoding for iTunes and AppleTV. If that's so, bit-rate isn't telling you the whole story. The quality of the encoder makes a difference too. A few years ago JPEGmini came out with a proprietary JPG encoder that created stock-standard JPG files with a higher perceptual quality at the same file size. The same can apply to video.
In short, for most they look the same. The 384kbps bitrate for audio is a concern though. Although none of my friends I did blind audio tests with could tell the difference. ATV has even more film snow supporting increased audio bitrate too. Netflix and Amazon as well. My video torture test is the opening of Shutter Island when the boat comes out of the fog. Ultimately I prefer the on-demand nature of streaming and not having to create shelf space for discs. Also, so few discs in DV. Let's not forget ATV increases bitrate and resolution as time and tech moves forward. For free.
Please compare these to Blu-ray (1080P) and HD/HDX streaming. The differences because of HDR should be more dramatic but it would be interesting.
Thanks for the very useful and in-depth comparison. It sounds like the differences are a bit less pronounced than they are for 1080p iTunes vs Blu-ray, so that’s very welcome. In the 1080p era I’ve used iTunes streaming for rentals, but when I want to buy a movie I get the Blu-ray, and I think I’ll probably do the same when I upgrade to UHD.
Jon Colverson very wise you are.
That was my plan, too; until recently I finally got myself a capable 4K tv. The quality of streaming 4K hdr contents is so high I started to doubt the need for physical disc. I have so many versions of Star Wars, Alien, Blade Runner discs ever since the introduction of the Laser Disc format. I am tired of organizing them and upgrading disc players. Streaming seems to be catching up with physical disc. Even a respected professional calibrator is impressed. I feel now is the time to drop the disc.
@@subzerohf Yes, I find dealing with the discs a big hassle too and I've changed my policy a bit since I wrote that comment. Now I buy some movies on iTunes and Amazon, and only buy the discs for my absolute favourites.
How can I enable the playback infos on the apple tv 4k? I found on the manual nothing about this feature?
I have noticed that some movies have a different aspect ratio in iTunes vs Blu-Ray... why does this happen?
Streaming is more convenient, but I really prefer the higher quality of the blu ray disks. Reason, I play extra for Netflix premium but the compression is so bad that I really don't notice a difference. Vs if I pop in a disk it's like night and day.
Edit: obviously the difference is hard to notice if you're scrutinizing still frames. But when the image is actually in motion is when you notice more compression artifacts.
How do you get the playback info on the apple tv?
Can you do an updated version of this video?
Thanksss
Loved the ending, that was funny!
@HDTVtest this great video deserves an upstate! There are a number of UHD Blu-ray players that support Dolby vision now, but almost no reviews or comparisons of their DV capability, especially not including streaming devices such as the Apple TV 4K. Please enlighten us!
I do appreciate the comparisons! 👍. What I didn’t enjoy is the repeating the playback info and the unnecessary cursor movement. The blue ray as seen on my iPad wins for derail although the Apple TV had more info in the shadows of the face - lighter image
Lol at the beginning (LG A1!) but at 13:00 I was wondering how come both TVs suddently had their own stands. Only at the end it became clear why.
Vincent you mentioned it several times but did not provide a number: what was that exact *normal viewing distance* you were watching these 65" 4K panels from?
This is very important because for normal 20/20 vision, after just 2.58 meters we would *not* be able to resolve Full HD resolution pixels on a 65" panel, much less 4K pixels. To take advantage of 4K over Full HD on a 65" panel, we would need to sit closer than 2.58 meters (but not closer than 1.29 m in order to still not resolve 4K pixels.) Too close viewing distances are not always comfortable or practical, but what I mention above is the case because of how our eyes and visual acuity work.
If a typical viewing distance for a 65" tv is large enough (> 2.6 m,) that actually works in favor of Apple TV. Precisely the extra detail offered by the UltraHD Bluray cannot be resolved by normal vision at those distances on these panels. (Of course, quite not so few people have better-than-normal 20/20 vision though.)
HDR always remains impactful regardless of resolution, but viewing distance is critical with respect to resolution and detail, and it might render 4K effectively useless over Full HD (or UltraHD Bluray over Apple TV, for that matter.) Wrote about this on my personal blog quite a while ago, with further details:
fluviolabenti.blogspot.de/2016/10/when-does-screen-have-too-much.html
Can you notice the difference between 4K HDR10/Dolby Vision and upscale DVD to 1080p? I have a large DVD collection that I play back through ps3 console with hdmi on a 4K HDR TV but they are taking up too much space and I’m considering upgrading/converting to Apple TV and just renting higher resolution films.
Does the ultra hd bluray player have a sharpening filter applied too?
Great and very detailed video. Thx
How did you get that information display on the Apple TV 4K TV? I have an LG OLED65B6P as well as the Apple TV 4k.
thanks Vincent...
Hi Vince. I would love to know how Netflix app on Apple TV compares to the LG built in app. How does the always on Dolby Vision impact non HDR content? Also; how does Vudu on LG compare to Vudu on iTunes? I think this will be much more informative to people who are interested in a streaming box for their 4K TV. Thanks!
Samuel Gonzalez I second this for sure
I would like to know this too, is apple tv necessary for smart tv?
That ending tho 😂
In my experience (having used most to all 4K streaming services and two 4K Blu-ray players), watching a 4K Blu-ray disc in the Xbox One X (I have no experience with the Oppo player, but hear it's amazing) is THE best 4K movie experience yet. Blows 4K streaming out of the water!
The big difference between the two is the audio. The ATV decodes the DD or DD+ track and passes it through. On a disc or a rip you will get the lossless audio track.
I would love to see a similar shootout between:
SDR HD iTunes to SDR BLU Ray ,
SDR Blue vs DolbyVision iTunes ,
SDR BluRay to HDR BluRay aka BlackRay
I am curious of the Mbps delivered to the panel and if that appears to affect the background texture as much or more than we saw between iTunes Dolby and HDR 4K BluRay. ...
could please compare with the new apple tv ? compression codec may have changed as well than player
how you you enable the "yellow" on screen information from the AppleBox or is it from the LG ?
Thanks so much for this!!! 👍🏻
I own the LG B7, the Oppo and the Apple TV4K so this is very helpful!
In Sweden a 4K ultra HD blu-ray disc cost 299:- SEK to buy, you can’t rent a 4K ultra HD blu-ray movie in Sweden, only 1080p blu-ray, rent a 4K ultra HD blu-ray movie from iTunes cost 49:- SEK.
Big difference!
Great video!
Could you or someone else tell me the name of the song that plays at the end?
Thats why always by physical media ,.
Tecnically as long as the stream and disc share the same bitrate, codification, etc, they should look the same.
In a nice world, a stream should be the same original media just simply being downloaded and played at the same time.
Nintendork sending uncompressed video data over the internet is no easy task
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Would connecting the Apple 4k tv to the Oppo increase the picture/stream quality of the Apple Tv. Since th Oppo has the 2nd HDMI in, connecting the Apple tv and using the Oppo video processor, I'm thinking would improve the quality.
Yesss that’s what I wanted to see
Lg + 4K Apple TV vs Sony A1e + 4K Apple TV comparison? Thanks for educating us. Your videos are always very informative. You just got yourself another subscriber!
Is the Apple TV version is it being streamed via the Internet or is it saved on your Apple TV box.
Very good comparison indeed, thanks. Have you also done a comparison between blue ray 4k xbox one s/x vs blue ray 4k player? I got suspicion xbox blu ray is not as good....
Vincent, how do you enable the stats/details on the Apple TV? Apologies if this has already been asked/answered somewhere down the thread. Thank You.
HDTV test, my mame is Cassiano from Brazil, the Apple tv iTunes moves the download films from HD Apple tv our streaming films?
How do you enable playback information on the Apple TV?
Excellent review very detailed covered everything.
I would like to know the HDR 4K quality difference between a Sony A8H built in android app and connecting a Apple TV4K to the same TV?
How do you get the Apple box to display info like mbps ? And that it’s actually upscaling the picture? I’ve been dying to do that for years
Hi, I have a 500/500 Mbps ISP. Do you think the Apple TV will perform better on a faster connection?
What the best tv for UHD 4K is that sony like you use for preview
Have you ever reviewed a Nvidia Shield TV 4K? Or have you ever checked out plex? Would love to see you review that as it’s what I mainly use with my new LG 4K
I have a LG 55B7 and have severe lipsyncing issues with my sound when I feed it with Dolby Vision from Apple TV 4k. 😕 It gets acceptable if I go down to 4k HDR.
Any tips on how to remedy this? Tried fiddling with the audiosync but can't get it anywhere near acceptable.
Tobias Myllynen it’s the tv
Is there a Bitrate/quality difference between the Apple TV Box and the Apple TV App for TVs?
Hi Vincent can you make a comparison of white vs black screen projector screen, Thanks
Which type of sony for the best tv or how long for is that 55 inch??
That was hilarious at the end!
Do you have a video showing how to calibrate a C7/B7 tv?
How do you get the metadata to show on the apple TV 4k?
Can you also compare 4K HDR 10 films (not Dolby Vision) between the Oppo and Apple TV 4K? Are they more or less the same in picture quality as well?
Hi, do you have instructions or a link on how to activate the bit rate display in the Apple TV 4K?
Going to have to Google this one myself. He never mentioned how to do it unfortunately.
On my old apple tv box if the broadband wasn't fast enough all I have to do is pause for 10 minutes and the box buffers enough to play at best quality, does the new one not do this ? I mean why does it have 64 gigabytes of memory ?
Hi
Great videos!
How do you get the stream information/bit rate etc, on the LG oled65e6?
I would like to know as well
Be interesting if you could compare using the Apple TV app via the tv directly or an Xbox etc as well
Thanks for the work
Do these 2017 OLEDs have the latest FW? I think LG just released a new one where it addressed syncing issues and some flickering.. Anyway, I’m glad to know that the differences in fast motion is not that big too.
Yes, latest firmware which includes Technicolor picture mode.
Technicolor? is there a newer version than 03.60.15 ? that is shown on the website (Germany)
The only thing missing from AppleTV 4K is Dolby Atmos support. To me that makes a bigger difference than the very slight difference in image quality.
Hello there .!! Witch TV would you choose for 3000 euros? SONY KD55A1BAEP OLED , LOEWE bild 4.55 OLED , PANASONIC TX-55EZW954 OLED , LG 65B7D OLED , PHILIPS 55POS9002 ?? It will be used for Home Theater
you should have compared the final Spider-man vs Vulture or the Avenger's cargo plane hijack scenes since they are very dark and will, uh, highlight the differences in shadow detail rendering and/or retention.
My question would be: How does the Apple TV 4K measure against Netflix? Does the bought movies from iTunes in 4K have better PQ? And by that I especially think of noise, because personally I cannot stand the amount of compression noise I get in the picture from Netflix, but I kind of want to avoid having to store all the movies I see. So for that reason I want to see if I can use the Apple TV 4K and buy the movies from iTunes instead.
Fantastic and informative video as usual Vincent! Question, does the bit rate include audio data as well? Or is it strictly video data?
Audio data is listed separately.