Polygamy - Does God Endorse Polygamy?

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  • @mrmonay
    @mrmonay Рік тому +10

    1:13 - Exactly Jesus told us directly God "TOLERATED DIVORCE/SENDING AWAY", He never once made the same statement regarding polygyny. YOU did.

  • @mrmonay
    @mrmonay Рік тому +11

    2:18 - And He also said he would have given David MORE of all things like these, aka, wives, if he had asked. Noticed you skipped that part.

    • @jwd1112
      @jwd1112 Рік тому +3

      Mr Monay, you’re spot-on in your replies to this guy… would love to chat with you sometime 👍

    • @Richesfam
      @Richesfam Рік тому

      The answer still remains

    • @danieldeluca4936
      @danieldeluca4936 11 місяців тому +1

      @@Richesfam Remains wrong? God did not say "into your care"! That was an outright lie! He said "into your BOSOM". This is the EXACT SAME WORD that Sarah used when she told Abraham that she had given her mistress into his BOSOM.

  • @Zoe-bb1fk
    @Zoe-bb1fk 2 роки тому +8

    1Kings 15: 5 because David did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, and had not turned aside from anything that He commanded him all the days of his life, except in the matter of [the betrayal of] Uriah the Hittite.
    This is showing that from God's eyes, David did not do anything wrong when he took concubines and wives as written in 1Samuel 5:13, except when he killed Uriah the Hittite and took his wife. The Lord God found David righteous. That is why he could said in 2Samuel 12: 8 what he said through the mouth of Nathan. God really gave David the wives of Saul. Please don't try to twist the Word. Thanks

  • @mrmonay
    @mrmonay Рік тому +10

    1:30 - No Deut 17:17 does not forbid kings from marrying more than 1 wife, any more than it forbids them from having 1 gold silver or horse. It forbids them from "multiplying" those things... ie: hording them. This is really common teaching, but it's really wrong, and more specifically it was really about foreign wives for kings, as in treaty-wives with other pagan nations.

    • @isolafitness
      @isolafitness Рік тому

      You’re obsessed with polygamy. You’re on every video that talks about polygamy. Is that all you do is talk and think about polygamy? Maybe you should focus more on leading people to Christ.

  • @mrmonay
    @mrmonay Рік тому +5

    00:27 - Any biblically polygynous man with more than 1 wife, has multiple 1 man 1 woman covenants (marriages) and appealing to the creation story to claim 1 was the limit is a fallacy. If 1 is the limit, then it's also a limitation that she has to be created directly from our rib as men, specifically for us by God.
    When Jesus referred to the creation he was discussing divorce and why we shouldn't, except for 1 exception. Because it wasn't meant to be that way. He was not in any way speaking on a man covering more than 1 wife.

  • @mrmonay
    @mrmonay Рік тому +9

    00:40 - Jesus was merely saying that MARRIAGE is a God ordained institution, He NEVER said the word monogamous, ever. He wasn't limiting a man to 1 wife, He was quoting scripture in discussing divorce, you're reading into the text a limitation that was not put there. A man would have to leave his father and mother, cleave to (A) wife, before ever taking on a 2nd or 3rd+ wife in separate unions. God wants a man to find a wife, but He did not limit him to 1, not once not ever.

  • @ronandheather3079
    @ronandheather3079 5 місяців тому +2

    Please use the SPECIFIC VERSE where god states having multiple wives is sin. BE SPECIFIC. Where is the exact language where God says that??? Also, for ever violation there is a specific punishment. PLEASE SHOW ME where god says this is the CONSEQUENCE for marrying multiple wives? I’ll wait.

  • @mrmonay
    @mrmonay Рік тому +5

    00:48 - ah the tired old "many parts are descriptive not prescriptive" trope. IMAGINE my shock. You just used the creation story to claim monogamy-only is the *prescription*, but wouldn't that be "descriptive not prescriptive" as well by your logic?

  • @Zoe-bb1fk
    @Zoe-bb1fk 2 роки тому +2

    And David knew that the Lord had established him as king over Israel, and that He had exalted his kingdom for His people Israel’s sake.
    13 David took more concubines and wives from Jerusalem, after he came from Hebron; and more sons and daughters were born to him.

  • @MikeWinger
    @MikeWinger Рік тому

    The last bit is super interesting.

    • @danieldeluca4936
      @danieldeluca4936 Рік тому +3

      He misquoted II Sam 12:8. It DOES NOT say "into your care" at all!!!! It says "into your bosom" and this is the EXACT phrase Sarah used when she told Abraham that she had given her handmaiden Hagar "INTO YOUR BOSOM"!!! He also neglected to mention that those concubines were the ones who slept with David's son Absalom. He deliberately obscured that fact by neglecting to mention that when God said he would give David's wives to Absalom, it turned out to be his concubines! Not only that, it is shameful to quote a book that asks whether God is a moral monster. We should NEVER judge God by our standards. We are the ones who will be judged by HIM according to HIS standards. Brother Mike, PLEASE have more discernment here!

    • @reanisbet5947
      @reanisbet5947 10 місяців тому

      Wow and look how all the polygynists marriages turned out? There is no proof David married all these women.....

  • @mrmonay
    @mrmonay Рік тому +9

    2:10 - God didn't punish David for multiple wives, He punished him for taking another man's wife. Come on man, this is elementary stuff.

    • @danieldeluca4936
      @danieldeluca4936 Рік тому +2

      @Seymour Butts That is a bit off topic, don't you think?

    • @reanisbet5947
      @reanisbet5947 10 місяців тому

      Polygyny was traditional an culture that was adopted by the Israelites from marrying women from neighbouring countries an guess which countries they are ......God didnot bless Polygyny ever, he tolerated it like he did with other sin.......

  • @Papasquatch73
    @Papasquatch73 2 роки тому +5

    At 1:02 you say God tolerated but did not condone it. I would say you are wrong. God told David why did you take Bathsheba. God said I gave you your wives and would have given you more if you would have asked.
    This doesn’t seem like God just allowed it. He actively entered into it. I guess you’re trying to say David didn’t consummate the wives God gave him. You would have to prove that a biblical marriage does not include consummation. I doubt you will be able to
    God commanded it in the case of some levirate marriages. It made no difference to God if the brother was married or not. He still had to take his deceased brother’s wife if they had no children.

    • @dantedee4682
      @dantedee4682 2 роки тому +4

      Thanks Gene...God gave them the wives as I and others can read with their eyes. People need to stop making the Bible fit into their narrative and culture.
      Why would God give wives into his care without the ability to act on them; especially after the fact of him lusting on Bathsheba. This doesn't make sense.
      God gave him the masters household and wives PERIOD.

    • @reanisbet5947
      @reanisbet5947 10 місяців тому

      An you would have to prove David actually married them, David being a King might've inherited the wives as per tradition/culture but didnot actually marry them.....

    • @Jericho-xs3ju
      @Jericho-xs3ju 23 дні тому

      Reanisbet
      Why and how could David want more of his fathers wives to care for. David had many wives and concubines. It’s un deniable. He took another man’s wife. A horrendous act. God punished him for it.
      The parable Nathan gave David was about a man who had one wife and a man who had many but took the man’s one. And God convicted David on how he could do that with all he was given and then told him. If it was not enough he could have asked for more. It’s there you can read it for yourself
      This guy in this video is false and deceptive. It’s quite disgusting. If it’s a sin. All it would take is one verse that violates the law of God. That verse does not exist

  • @mrmonay
    @mrmonay Рік тому +3

    3:02 - "So God is opposed to polygamy" ... WHAT? You quite literally haven't proven that in any way and you're just making a bold statement speaking directly for God where God never said any such thing. Yikes.

    • @peter_waldo3715
      @peter_waldo3715 5 місяців тому

      God forbids some polygamy (God forbids polyandry). God mandates polygyny.

  • @Richesfam
    @Richesfam Рік тому

    Wow thanks for the explanation

  • @jonahmaddox9341
    @jonahmaddox9341 3 роки тому +1

    Thank u for your take on this subject.

    • @danieldeluca4936
      @danieldeluca4936 Рік тому +1

      His take is unbiblical. Who are we to judge whether God is a moral monster or not?

  • @danieldeluca4936
    @danieldeluca4936 Рік тому +2

    Genesis 2:24 says nothing about how many wives God intends for a man to have! It only states that when he marries his first wife, he must leave his father and mother! If your definition held true, then it would be a sin to marry another woman when your wife dies. Jesus did not quote that defintion either. This is patantly false! He was speaking of the unity of marriage, not the quantity of wives. When did Jesus EVER say ANYTHING that comes close to your claim that Jesus held that monogamous marriage is a God ordained institution? You are reading into the text. Classic Eisegesis on your part!
    God making only one wife for adam, was DESCRIPTIVE, not prescriptive, so you are inconsistent in your approach to Scripture.
    God DID condone polgamy! Read Psalms 18:20-24. David wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit that he had clean hands! So do you recall how many wives he had at the time of Saul's death??? Well, there was Mical, Abigail, and Ahinoam. That is three by my count! Also, God told Abimelech that his attempt to take Sarah as his second wife, was done so in the integrity of his heart. Now do you suppose Abimelech did not realize he already had a wife???? Not to mention that Jehoida brings Joash two wives, and Scripture clearly says that he did was was right before God and Israel!
    Men were required in Scripture to marry the widow of their brothers, and when it says dwell together, if one of the brother's had a wife, why would the other brother not have one? There is nothing in that text that indicates that the living brother would not have a wife? Boaz approached the nearer kinsman redeemer, even though he already had a wife, because Ruth's brother in law had also died. Also if a man defiled a virgin, God commanded him to take her to be his wife, and there is no exception there for the man who already had a wife!
    NOWHERE in Scirpture does it day that the Almighty didn't intend for polygamy and that He only "tolerated it"!!! This is a flat out LIE! Divorce was permitted because of the hardness of the hearts, but that has absolutely nothing to do with polygamy! NOTHING! Divorce is ENDING a marriage, whereas polygamy is ADDING to a marriage! Get that through your thick skull!!!
    Deuteronomy 17:17 is not a prohibition against having more than one wife. You are a LIAR!!!! Have you ever recommended having someone thrown out of your church because he had more than one horse? You have such an inconsistent approach to hermeneutics. Deut 17:17 is about the king taking too many wives as was the case with Solomon. Those wives turned Solomon's heart away from following God, and Deut 17 predicted they would. Solomon also accumlated horses and gold, as Det 17 warns against. So Deut 17 is a warning, not a command, and it comes nowhere close to saying what you claimed that it says. You said it because you though you would go unchallenged, and that is called "LYING"!!!
    Lev 18:17 forbids having SEX with a woman and her daughter. Enough said!
    God didn't give Absalom David's wives. He gave him his concubines. Enough said!
    God did NOT say that He gave his master's wives into his care! Again, this is a lie! It says , "into your bosom"!!! This is the EXACT SAME EXPRESSION Sarah used when she said that she had given Hagar into Abraham's BOSOM! Now go ahead and try to twist that Scripture into meaning that she only gave Hagar to Abraham to take care of her! I dare you!
    What Scripture are you referring to when you say that this would often happen where the king would inherit another king's wives? You did not cite ONE example! David had no such expectation! If anyone did, it would have been Ish-Bosheth or Mephibosheth. Not only that, but the "master" could also be a reference to Naboth who died and left behind Abigail and Ahinoam. Why all of the sudden do we get a mention of David marrying Ahinoam at the same time he married Abigail? Sure she could have been some random woman he picked up while he was avoiding her hometown, lest they turn him over to Saul, but that is quite a stretch!
    The concubines were the ones that Absalom had slept with! You left out that detail! Of course, you said that God gave Absalom David's wives, perhaps to obscure the fact that they were they SAME CONCUBINES that David put away!!! That is pure deception!

  • @nathanieljohn-baptiste8513
    @nathanieljohn-baptiste8513 Рік тому +10

    Deuteronomy 21:15 Proves that polygamy is not a sin.

    • @danieldeluca4936
      @danieldeluca4936 Рік тому +1

      As does Psalms 18:21-24.

    • @lightscameratamara
      @lightscameratamara Рік тому

      You wish lol.

    • @danieldeluca4936
      @danieldeluca4936 Рік тому +3

      @@lightscameratamara We don't have to wish for something that is already the case.

    • @julesfalcone
      @julesfalcone Рік тому

      ​@@danieldeluca4936Exactly. God is more than fine with Polyginy. This is another preacher using religion to control people.
      2. Comparing Polyginy to divorce is not a fair comparison and either in bad faith/disingenuous or ignorant.

    • @cbtam4333
      @cbtam4333 Рік тому +1

      A regulation that prohibits a man from denying the inheritance rights of his firstborn based on the firstborn not being born to the favorite of more than one wife is not an endorsement of polygamy. It is, rather, a restriction of a common tendency towards favoring the sons of the favorite wife among those who did practice polygamy, in contrast to God’s preference for the firstborn son regarding inheritance. For this reason, the verse cannot be used as a proof text that God approves of polygamy. People were both practicing polygamy and favoring non-firstborn sons. Deuteronomy 21:15 addresses the second practice specifically. It simply does not address God’s view of the first practice.
      On the issue of whether God favors polygamy or monogamy, it’s best to start at the beginning-Genesis 2:21-24. Monogamy is the clear winner.

  • @mrmonay
    @mrmonay Рік тому +4

    1:03 - YOU believe God tolerated it, which is YOU adding to the word what isn't there. God did not tell us He merely "tolerated it". God blessed it and commanded it in some cases. Stop adding to the word.

    • @reanisbet5947
      @reanisbet5947 10 місяців тому

      He commanded in Hagar case or the poor woman an her child would've died in the dessert!!!!!!

  • @joshuanguyen8889
    @joshuanguyen8889 2 місяці тому

    If you can afford multiple wives, yes, absolutely

  • @redheadredneckv
    @redheadredneckv 4 місяці тому

    This comment section is very pro-polygamy, or at least not being ignorant to the obvious polygamy protections in the Bible

  • @danieldeluca4936
    @danieldeluca4936 Рік тому

    We should NEVER ask the question if God is a moral monster. This is BLASPHEMY! We are in no position to judge God Almighty by our standards!!! How DARE YOU refer to that BLASPHEMOUS book!!!!!

  • @kenstar3692
    @kenstar3692 2 роки тому +2

    That is a bold face lie. Jesus did no such thing in Mathew 19 or anywhere else for that matter.

  • @music79075
    @music79075 Рік тому +4

    "Is God in favor of polygamy?"
    Short Answer: No.
    Long Answer: Noooooooooooooooooo.

    • @danieldeluca4936
      @danieldeluca4936 Рік тому +7

      I notice you didn't use any Scripture to back up your unbiblical answers here.

    • @music79075
      @music79075 Рік тому +2

      @@danieldeluca4936 Please elucidate me on The Bible being pro polygamy outside of the times God tolerated its existence.
      The Rubric to follow is 1 man and 1 woman just because Jacob had 2 wives and Solomon had many more doesn't mean God promoted it as moral.

    • @danieldeluca4936
      @danieldeluca4936 Рік тому +4

      @@music79075 The Bible is neutral on polygyny. It is nether pro nor anti polygyny. If you want to live monogamously, that is your preference, but don't impose your preferences on anyone else. Your "rubric" is nowhere to be found in Scripture, unless the man is called to be a deacon, or a bishop, or an elder. This "just because Jacob and Solomon did it" nonsense, is a "Straw Man". There are plenty of reasons to show that God is not only not anti-polygyny, but He specifically stated that having more than one wife is NOT a sin! Read your Bible! It is literally all over the place! Abimelech attempted to take a second wife. God said that he did so in the integrity of his heart. Miriam and Aaron opposed Moses over his Cushite wife. God sided with Moses. Jehoida brought two wives to Joash. Scripture says that he did what was right before God and Israel. David wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, that his hands were clean in God's sight, and that God had rewarded him for his righteousness in Psalm 18. He literally says that he had not turned away from God's decrees and that he was blameless! How much more clear can God's Word be, on this topic?

    • @reanisbet5947
      @reanisbet5947 10 місяців тому

      God was pleased with David for his faithfulness towards Him, an keeping His Laws Not because he had many wives..... remember the culture an traditions then were meant for the ancient Israelites an to protect women from being forced to prostitution as many men were killed in wars an left many women widows an this is why God allowed it for a time.....how about 1 Corthinians 7 v2......orcdobalways wanna have a go an misinterpreting the Greeks concordance regarding heautou an idios? Or dibakso wanna have a go at Matthew 25 where polygynists are comparing the parable Jesus spoke about to a Polygamous marriage.....did he say 10 virgins or was it 10 betrothed virgins I'm sure Jesus would've made that very clear knowing how men would twist scripture.....those 5 foolish virgins represent people who are not born again an not ready to go into the wedding banquet held but the bridegroom for his BRIDE not brides because we are in one spirit with Jesus Christ......Jewish culture the bridegroom ricks up at anytime ready to marry his betrothed..I've never heard of a Jewish bridegroom marrying 10 women at once.,....you wanna go with Isaiah 4v1 too......or how about elders an deacons being blameless an holy an only to have one wife? Or is that just something God inspired just because ....no! Just like Jesus is the head of every man an EXAMPLE that men should follow an be Holy so should elders an deacons be examples to younger men an that's how the King's chosen by God should've been too, instead of being so preoccupied with all the women in their lives an it's no wonder every recorded polygynist marriages in the Bible didnot turn out well did it !? This is why Jesus said about divorce " it was not so in the beginning".... Beginning of what? Polygamists marriages or one between ONE man an ONE woman where God created a helpmeet for Adam not helpmeets, He didnot create Adam an EveS....imagine God using all Adams ribs to create multiple women...the poor man wouldn't have been able to procreate!!!!

  • @lightscameratamara
    @lightscameratamara Рік тому

    God allows all kinds of things to happen. All kinds of sick things happen in the world. Does that make them all ok. NO!