Matt, have this lens for my Leica M3 and love how it performs. It gives a sharp picture with moderate contrast. The advantage of this lens is the collapsible feature, which makes it easier to carry in your backpack or coat pocket. Whenever I use this lens, it reminds me of old world craftsmanship and the quality in older gear. I want to shoot Kodak E100 color reversal whenever I travel, after finding a lab in my state that will do the E6 process and mount the slides in the cardboard for slide projectors. I must be trapped in a time warp to do this, but also feel the vintage gear is what makes photography fun-there isn’t a microchip to do the work. Well done video here.❤❤😊😊
It is a wonderful little lens. It was the first lens I got for my Leica M3. 400€, in excellent optical and mechanical shape with minor cosmetic wear. It had even been CLA'd recently, and of course came with the paperwork to prove it. I love it.
I have this lens on my M2. A lovely little lens. One thing to beware of if you want to use this on your mirrorless digital camera is that the sensor on these cameras is often much further forward than on a film camera. If you intend to collapse the lens make sure it isn't going to hit the sensor. Personnally I don't use this on mirrorless just in case. Accidents can happen - especially to me.
When the M5 came out with it's monstrous-sized body, a friend of mine borrowed my Elmar 50 to test against his Summicron. He solved the collapsible concern with a quick wrap of gaffer tape so the lens would not collapse into the integrated TTL metering stick (not duct tape, that leaves adhesive behind). His solution worked well for the few days he shot both lenses.
Precisely why mine lives on my M3 full time, I have Sumicrons for my M246 so that isn't a problem. I can only imagine how many people learned this the hard way.....
Hi!! i have watched this video separates times and forums forever… but still wanna raise this question ( im the type of person that after closes the door with keys… try to “bang” the door with my shoulders before actually leaving…) : Is it safe so collapse the elmar 50 2.8 in a digital M ( specially the m240 in my case) . Some people A) says it should not be fully retracted. Other people B) It should be extended to mount but then is safe to retract and normal use. Other people c) same as b, but if we try to shot with the lens retracted by error , it will hit and damage the shutter…. can anyone clarify this? ( without breaking his own camera…). I would really like to add this lens to my collection to use it with m3 and m240 . Thanks a lot to all in advance.
I brought my Elmar 50mm for 295€ before the Leica M8 came out. At 2.8 on Agfa Chrome professional it is extremely sharp with the hood. I brought the macro extension, since you can it use with the Summicron collapsible as well.
I personally prefer 21-35mm on my Ms. But this 50 is enjoyable with it's compactness, fidget factor and short focus throw. Looks the part of my black paint MP and has seen more use with the current state of the world, when I can't get close to street scenes and people. The price for a Leica lens was right too. Sharp enough + unique rendering. The only knock I give it is the annoying aperture ring that is fiddly on my copy. The infinity lock and collapsing/extending the lens is so very fidget satisfying. Cheers!
Nice review, as you no doubt know the SOOKY-M (SOMKY) works with the SM 50/2.8 Elmar as well as the first collapsible Summicron (either SM or M lens), but only on an M body. You also can use the removable lens head from the first rigid 50 Summicron (same optics as DR, but better looking) in a SOOKY-M/SOMKY with the UOORF/16508 lens adapter. For SM bodies (II thru IIIf) you can use the close focus adapter SOOKY (no M) with any lens (collapsible Elmar, collapsible Summicron or rigid Summicron with UOORF) that work with the SOMKY on M bodies. . There are earlier SM close focusing devices, the NOOKY for the collapsible SM Elmar 3.5 and the NOOKY-HESUM for the collapsibe 5 cm Hektor, Summar and ( I believe) Summitar. These work on models II thru IIIf, but not on IIIg or I bodies.
Thanks Adam, i'm going to do a part 2 video today if I get chance to cover some of the confusion i've caused with the adapter. But some of what you just wrote is new to me too.. LTM ("SM") lens on SOOKY.. interesting! I will try it (not to shoot but the mounting). SM..ah it just clicked.. screw mount! I don't think i've seen it written as SM before. Other adapters - yes I use a Nooky Hesum (I had it on the table in the last video but forgot to show it). I will share in follow up video. Yes I used it with Elmar 2.5, Elmar 3.5, Summitar and even the Elmar 3.5 clone though it shouldn't mount in theory I think but I got it to go it and focused a shot successfully on a Zorki C. I don't have the collapsible Summicron, Hektor or Summar. I skipped the early SM lenses as too soft to use for me. I use a iiia, iiig and just picked up a iif so that will be coming to the channel once i've shot a test roll :)
Hey Matt, just recently purchased a Leica IIIF and a 50 and 35 Elmar F3.5. I have searched the internet where the info can be really good or bad info. My question is when attaching the screw mount lens with an adaptor to a modern M camera do you get both the frame lines and range finder focus or just the frame lines? I have seen wildly varying info on this on Reddit.
Hi! When you use LTM-M adapter the adapter triggers the framelines. Buy the correct adapters 50/75 for the 50, 35/135 for the 35. The RF patch is always there.
How do you compare the leica M mount version to a summitar? Image quality wise. Was debating between the two (of course I'd need an adapter for the summitar)..LMK :)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Awesome, I got a elmar 2.8 from leica store SF for $370, had "haze" and "dust" and a jumpy focus....15 minutes of tear down, all there is now is minute scratches on front element...Value went up, heh.
Hey Matt hope you're doing fine! Thanks for another great/informative video. Would you know if the goggles will work with digital Leicas and in particular, the MP-(type 240) digital? Thanks for any guidance.
Matt, I have this amazing small lens, came with a Leica DBP body bought many years ago. How can I adapt the lens to my M10-R ? Are there close focus adapters for digital M mounts? I sure would love to try it out as it looks quite nice. Thanks!
Hi Daniel! You just need the orginal Elmar adapter (try eBay) that I show in the video and it should fit straight on your M10R. It works on all my other Ms.
My Elmar was obtained for $US250 because of bent filter ring. It makes putting a filter on a bit inconvenient but works fine. IQ and functionality seem to be as-new. Since it was relatively inexpensive it’s my beach lens.
I own the Elmar f2,8 screw mount and the the latest version (black) in M mount. Your lens review is spot on as always. Interesting news for me at least about the SOOKY-M. Price for this accessory seems to be around 160 and upwards sold separately on EBay. I think it looks a bit quirky. So I will leave on the shelf/EBay.
Thanks John, I've had mine a few years now so the prices have probably crept up like with everything else. I would say worth the money if you are desperate to do close up photos like I was but for most types of photos not needed.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom The reason I asked is the reason why the M8 had a small sensor. The distance from the back of the M lenses is smaller than SLR lenses. The light rays strike the edges of the sensor at a sharper angle. The M9 full frame sensors had micrenses to deal with this, but that was 12 years ago. Presumably the newer sensors are OK. Some of these latest sensors generate huge files which are hard to transfer and process.
so i found a local buyer to get this lens it good condtion for only 400 and i currently have the summarit M 50mm f2.5 what is your opinion on this lens compared to the Elmar 2.8 M mount version is it worth getting this for 1. travel/easier and lighter carry on and 2. overall quality of lens the summarit is pretty nice but not sure how the elmar will stack against it
Hi! This lens give a more classic vintage rendering, lower contrast, less modern looking. Lens is nicely built. If want something smaller and if stopping the lens down get the Elmar 5cm f3.5 LTM and use a cheap LTM-M adapter. See that video to see the size and the "sharpest 50mm video"
Hi I presume you cannot fold the lens down when using a digital camera ? The barnack Leica looks nice but I think i would struggle to use these as the rangefinder and viewfinder are very small. And would be a know go as i use spectacles
Hi it depends on the camera. It will fold into the M240 but not the smaller CL. (from memory) Leica iii have diopters.. more advanced than M cameras ;) iiiG has bigger VF or use hotshoe VF..
Hi Matt, awesome content on this channel. I have a iiia in the mail and excited to start playing with it. To start and verify the camera functions, I ordered an Industar 22 50mm to retain the small package. I wanted the Leica 50mm f2.8 or f2 but since I’m reading that the shutter max speed of the iiia is about 1/500 (measured) and I won’t do flash, would I be just as happy going with the f3.5 that seems much more affordable?
Roland Rosso hi thanks and congrats on iiia! I need to do reviews on all the lenses you mention from Leica but yes the 3.5 is just amazing for a compact setup. Check out my reason Canon 50mm video. 1.8 but shoot at f2-2.8 and it’s amazing..you will need f2 at times.
Roland Rosso if you want detailed comparison you’re welcome to join Patreon and I can do a video call to you showing the lenses on cameras and tell you wants good bad. Might be worth the cost to save money when buying. A few others joined to so I could help them with purchases. (Patreon is linked on more recent videos)
Matt Osborne The IIIa arrived! It’s a beautiful little camera. I think the shutter may have been replaced by a previous owner. It fires great, nice clear rangefinder, maybe a tab of haze in the viewfinder. Waiting for the Industar 50 50mm f3.5 collapsible to arrive to test a couple of rolls. Just watched your Voigtlander 15mm video, really like that lens too. I’ll plan on joining your Patreon, I think I can get a lot of your experience. I found a nice Elmar 135mm f4, but the prices are about $500 for nice examples. I’d like to get a decent range of lenses over time, but will probably start hunting for the best 50mm Leica I can get. Maybe the Industar will blow me away though.😁
Roland Rosso thanks Roland and congrats! Yes happy to tell you some lenses to look for / skip on Patreon if you decide to 👍🏻 $500 is too much for Elmar
Hello, thanks for the video. I was wondering...given it’s the internal bayonet that attaches to the goggles, would the screw mount version fit onto the M goggles? I’m about to buy! Many thanks
Hi Stephen, no if you buy the screw mount version you need a screw mount adapter. Be careful as LTM lens will not work close up on film M body. The google windows for LTM bodies in different position to M bodies so it doesn't line up. (I might need to do an additional video).
Thanks so for the reply, so hard to find info, can be a bit trial and error. I was buying the screw mount version from ebay, I’ve cancelled the purchase but I guess there’s a chance it’s already been posted, in which case I’ll let you know if it works! If it does work it makes quite a bit of a saving, lense looks in good condition and as you mention easily fitted with an adapter to use as standard.
stephen moncrieff the 2.8 Ltm does work on M goggles. I tried for you. 3.5 doesn’t ficus accurately but fits. Good idea getting screw version! Sorry to give mixed answers, I’m learning too in some of these very niche areas.
Great, never heard of the close-focus thingy with this lens before. Do you lose a stop of light when using it for close focusing? Or is this averaged out because the lens is not extended as for normal MFD usage?
Thanks Adam, you beat me to half of these questions, good knowledge (I guessed maybe slight light loss but wasn't 100% as never noticed it in practice).
With the googles attached, does the lens focus from 0.4 m to Infinity? Or is there a limit in focusing range? Same question for the 50 Summicron DR with googles attached. Thanks
Hi Andy, no I should have mentioned, as I did in the 50mm DR video, no with goggles attached there is no infinity. Perhaps to 1 meter (if like the DR), only. (See DR video for more on that lens).
Thanks for the video. Very nice info when you told us there is a much more reasonably priced version of "dual range" than the actual DR-lens. But F2.8 and Elmar. Why it is not Elmarit since it is F2.8...?
The 5 cm/3.5 Elmar was Leitz's first interchangeable lens, followed shortly by 3.5cm/3.5 Elmar and 9cm/4 Elmar. Elmar referred to the optical arrangement rather than the speed. Although Leitz claimed they were developed independently (and the aperture placement differs) they all strongly resemble the Zeiss Tessar. The first 5 cm lens on the original Leica was an Elmax (different optical design), but as soon as Zeiss' original patent expired for the Tessar, the Elmar appeared on the Leica I. No doubt they were afraid of patent infringement suits.
@@AGL93311 Thanks Adam great knowledge on this stuff! I have the f3.5 Elmar and that will come in future videos. I knew it was based on a Tessar design (the same as the Soviet clone version that I also have). I didn't know about the naming though so thanks! Always learning :)
Great video! Perhaps I missed this in the comments, but if you have the LTM version with an M-mount adapter, can you then use the LTM lens with the SOOKY-M close up device?
@@andrewrothman7805 great, I’m Glad you found it. The video pile it starting to mount up ha. There is also articles I write / record on Patreon which tends to have a bias to Leica/ film/ models/ lighting
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom one other question. Although I've owned 6 Leicas over the years, right now I have only an M2 and M5. But I also have three Canon rangefinders (VI-T, P, and 7sZ). Do you know if the LTM version of the Elmar can be used on the Canon rangefinders and still collapse safely?
@@andrewrothman7805 yes it should be fine..you're in luck, I was able to physically check for you. If you join Patreon i'll send you a photo haha (I try to help even people even more on there).. but yes it fits.
I have a 5cm summitar and 5cm summicron collapse does a cloce focus adapter existe and would it work on digital camera i use mft digital cameras . Thanks
Thanks Raziel, is there an M mount collapsible Summicron? I know there is the LTM mount. I will cover those in the next series as I use the Summitar with close focus adapter.
Hey Calum, yes the video only covers M mount. I don't have the Summicron but I use other collapsing 50s in LTM mount such as the Summitar. Be careful as each use different adapters (in most cases).
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom ya im lucky to own two 5cm collapsible summicron bought the first for my m2 and my wife bought me a m3 double stroke came with the summicron 5cm collapsible they are both m mount the cool thing with them is i can collapse them completely on my lumix g9 , as you know that does not work with the summitar . the cron collapsible with my gf2 is a super tiny set-up like a barnack+summitar
@@razielvonelric Great setup! I started out with a Lumix G1 back in the day and now use a GH5 for video. The G9 is a nice small camera so it sounds like the ideal pairing.
hi! Matt, loves so much your channel, that even my gf recognice your voice when i put a video on the ipad. I have a question, is there anything i should be carefull why collapse it on the m240? in some forums, says that if the lens have some “wobble” it may me dangerious? And do you have any video using elmar 50 2.8 on m240? Thanks! and love your work.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom after watching ( part ) of your reviews, just got the Voight.Ultron 35mm F1.7 and Heliar 50mm F3.5, if I dislike them you will hear from me again... just kidding
For years and years no (other than when I first started and it was sell one, buy one) but yes i'm now getting closer to the mindset of deciding what I use the most and selling some stuff. (I sold and camera and lens in the last month so I've got a taste for it now!)
Matt Osborne go you!!! Lately I’ve been diagnosed with having G.A.S brought on by depression. I’m a photographer but I haven’t been creative since my mom/mum passed away 3 years ago. Your vids are up lifting and your photography is inspiring. Thanks again for posting.
Marlon Crutchfield thank you Marlon and sorry to hear your news. I obviously have bad G.A.S issues too, for me it’s the more I learn the worse it is as I then discover another great camera / lens to try! Luckily with old cameras I shouldn’t lose too much if decide to sell at later date.
I am so tired of eBay trolls... I watched this review and recalled the great fun I had with my original 50 Elmar.... so... went on eBay and purchased an 'execellent+++++'. It arrived and went on to my Leica immediately for verification test shots... worthless... the focus was so far off.. and yes, I did extend and lock it... This has happened so many times this past year with other supposedly good condition merchandise, I am thoroughly disgusted with the sellers. Of course, I will eventually get a refund, but what a hassle, and it makes any honest sellers come under suspicion......
Sorry to hear this Stuart, I has the same issue recently with an Elmar type lens (a Tessar 5cm) .. I feel sad for people that don't know how the images should look and just keep them. I'm sure I must have bought some faulty gear in my early days and just kept it to be polite. Now it goes back faster than it arrives! Keep the faith, there are some good guys out there too.
Maybe, of topic, but be aware not to collapse collabsible lenses with digital Leica:s nor the M5. You may ruin the sensor (digital) or the light meter (M5). But they are really fun to use on digital M cameras.
Thanks! Good timing.. I just posted a follow up video showing lens collapsed on my M240. I've never had issues on M bodies but I can't do this with smaller Leica CL for example.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I have just followed Leica:s warning "can only be used with the lens extended". I don't feel to collapse the lens if something should happen - costly! One that is not useable is early Elmar 90/4. I do not own a M240, but the warning is written for M8, M9 and M10. Maybe there is a difference between the M240 and the M8-10?
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Stunning photographs. You are a living proof of the fact - photographer creates not a camera.
Thank you :) ..yes the more I do photography I am starting to notice that also about the cameras.. but I still enjoy testing them!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Nothing wrong with that. You put them to good use.
Keep up the good work.
@@dglebov thanks!
Matt, have this lens for my Leica M3 and love how it performs. It gives a sharp picture with moderate contrast. The advantage of this lens is the collapsible feature, which makes it easier to carry in your backpack or coat pocket. Whenever I use this lens, it reminds me of old world craftsmanship and the quality in older gear. I want to shoot Kodak E100 color reversal whenever I travel, after finding a lab in my state that will do the E6 process and mount the slides in the cardboard for slide projectors. I must be trapped in a time warp to do this, but also feel the vintage gear is what makes photography fun-there isn’t a microchip to do the work. Well done video here.❤❤😊😊
Yes, fun lens, I still have it and I love the size (the 3.5 is even smaller!) yes I love old stuff too!
It is a wonderful little lens. It was the first lens I got for my Leica M3. 400€, in excellent optical and mechanical shape with minor cosmetic wear. It had even been CLA'd recently, and of course came with the paperwork to prove it. I love it.
Thanks Jesse, great to hear you have this lens too! :) It sounds like you got a really nice copy!
wow, your shots are simply stunning! I've just bought a good copy of the lens... I can't wait to try it. Thank you for your review
Thank you Michele! Yes it is a lovely lens. I think you will love it! :)
Great content happy new year
K
Thanks Kevin! HNY!
I have this lens on my M2. A lovely little lens. One thing to beware of if you want to use this on your mirrorless digital camera is that the sensor on these cameras is often much further forward than on a film camera. If you intend to collapse the lens make sure it isn't going to hit the sensor. Personnally I don't use this on mirrorless just in case. Accidents can happen - especially to me.
Thanks Kevin, great tip! Yes better to play it safe.
When the M5 came out with it's monstrous-sized body, a friend of mine borrowed my Elmar 50 to test against his Summicron. He solved the collapsible concern with a quick wrap of gaffer tape so the lens would not collapse into the integrated TTL metering stick (not duct tape, that leaves adhesive behind). His solution worked well for the few days he shot both lenses.
Precisely why mine lives on my M3 full time, I have Sumicrons for my M246 so that isn't a problem. I can only imagine how many people learned this the hard way.....
@@memathews An O-ring will do.
Hi!! i have watched this video separates times and forums forever… but still wanna raise this question ( im the type of person that after closes the door with keys… try to “bang” the door with my shoulders before actually leaving…) : Is it safe so collapse the elmar 50 2.8 in a digital M ( specially the m240 in my case) . Some people A) says it should not be fully retracted. Other people B) It should be extended to mount but then is safe to retract and normal use. Other people c) same as b, but if we try to shot with the lens retracted by error , it will hit and damage the shutter…. can anyone clarify this? ( without breaking his own camera…). I would really like to add this lens to my collection to use it with m3 and m240 . Thanks a lot to all in advance.
You are a very good photographer Matt. As much as I enjoy your honest reviews of the gear, I enjoy your sample shots too. Wish you the best. Aki
Thank you Aki!
My M2 came with that lens, great lens I didn't know about the extra bayonet mount thanks for posting the video.
Thank you and nice to hear it. I recorded a part 2 video tonight for this so that to come!
I brought my Elmar 50mm for 295€ before the Leica M8 came out. At 2.8 on Agfa Chrome professional it is extremely sharp with the hood.
I brought the macro extension, since you can it use with the Summicron collapsible as well.
Thanks Bart, yes a nice lens!
I personally prefer 21-35mm on my Ms. But this 50 is enjoyable with it's compactness, fidget factor and short focus throw. Looks the part of my black paint MP and has seen more use with the current state of the world, when I can't get close to street scenes and people. The price for a Leica lens was right too. Sharp enough + unique rendering. The only knock I give it is the annoying aperture ring that is fiddly on my copy. The infinity lock and collapsing/extending the lens is so very fidget satisfying. Cheers!
Thank you, yes a nice size for a 50 and gives you a bit more range vs. wides
Matt, Can I collapse it (older M version) on my M8? Have you tried it?
Yes should be no issues. I do on M240, M3 and others.
Hi
Can you tell me whether you have ever used this lens on your digital cameras ?
And have collapsed the lens as well ?
Thanks
Yes most photos share will be digital. Yes you can collapse.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom thanks matt
Nice review, as you no doubt know the SOOKY-M (SOMKY) works with the SM 50/2.8 Elmar as well as the first collapsible Summicron (either SM or M lens), but only on an M body. You also can use the removable lens head from the first rigid 50 Summicron (same optics as DR, but better looking) in a SOOKY-M/SOMKY with the UOORF/16508 lens adapter.
For SM bodies (II thru IIIf) you can use the close focus adapter SOOKY (no M) with any lens (collapsible Elmar, collapsible Summicron or rigid Summicron with UOORF) that work with the SOMKY on M bodies. . There are earlier SM close focusing devices, the NOOKY for the collapsible SM Elmar 3.5 and the NOOKY-HESUM for the collapsibe 5 cm Hektor, Summar and ( I believe) Summitar. These work on models II thru IIIf, but not on IIIg or I bodies.
Thanks Adam, i'm going to do a part 2 video today if I get chance to cover some of the confusion i've caused with the adapter. But some of what you just wrote is new to me too.. LTM ("SM") lens on SOOKY.. interesting! I will try it (not to shoot but the mounting).
SM..ah it just clicked.. screw mount! I don't think i've seen it written as SM before.
Other adapters - yes I use a Nooky Hesum (I had it on the table in the last video but forgot to show it). I will share in follow up video. Yes I used it with Elmar 2.5, Elmar 3.5, Summitar and even the Elmar 3.5 clone though it shouldn't mount in theory I think but I got it to go it and focused a shot successfully on a Zorki C.
I don't have the collapsible Summicron, Hektor or Summar. I skipped the early SM lenses as too soft to use for me. I use a iiia, iiig and just picked up a iif so that will be coming to the channel once i've shot a test roll :)
Hey Matt, just recently purchased a Leica IIIF and a 50 and 35 Elmar F3.5. I have searched the internet where the info can be really good or bad info. My question is when attaching the screw mount lens with an adaptor to a modern M camera do you get both the frame lines and range finder focus or just the frame lines? I have seen wildly varying info on this on Reddit.
Hi! When you use LTM-M adapter the adapter triggers the framelines. Buy the correct adapters 50/75 for the 50, 35/135 for the 35. The RF patch is always there.
I have this lens for over 15 years, lanthanum glass for low light photography.
Thanks! I did t know this had Lanthanum glass..
Great video
Very interesting and informative
Lovely pictures as usual
Thanks Ronald!
Stunning images
Thank you! See other videos for more photos. I try to include on all videos
I have a Zorki 1 with a similar industar22 f3.5 50mm. Do you use a lens hood often, which is probably a clip on type?
I don’t use hoods very often. I prefer a smaller setup. They can help if a lens flares easily
thanks for this amazing video
Thanks Julian! I’d like to think my recent videos are better but hopefully this video contained a lot of the information you needed.
How do you compare the leica M mount version to a summitar? Image quality wise. Was debating between the two (of course I'd need an adapter for the summitar)..LMK :)
Hi Adrian, Summitar is much softer. See my recent video on vintage lenses. Elmar is closer to DR in that video.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Awesome, I got a elmar 2.8 from leica store SF for $370, had "haze" and "dust" and a jumpy focus....15 minutes of tear down, all there is now is minute scratches on front element...Value went up, heh.
@@Adrian-wd4rn congrats. You’re more skilled than me, nice job!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom You're confusing skill with stupidity. My butthole still isn't fully unclenched.
Hello Matt
Can the Sooky-M function with the Elmar 50mm f2.8 V2(late version) ? tks for answering!
Hi! I've not tried with the v2 version but I think a similar design so probably yes
Great Review! Thank you so much. What do you think about the newer version, the Elmar M?
Thanks Nicolas! I think the new version should be just as good.. I have the new Macro Elmar M 90mm which shares a similar design (see that video). :)
There is a very strong rumor the Elmar-M was discontinued because it was every but as good as the Summicron.
@@daryljohnson9010 ah interesting! Well it is a lovely lens 👍🏻
Matt, can you safely collapse this lens on an m262? thanks in advance
Yes any M cameras except maybe M5
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom thank you very much
Hey Matt hope you're doing fine! Thanks for another great/informative video.
Would you know if the goggles will work with digital Leicas and in particular, the MP-(type 240) digital? Thanks for any guidance.
Hi! Yes I’ve used with my standard M240
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I know you're busy and I appreciate you taking the time to respond :)
@@nicolaskrinis7614 👍🏻
Great review, great shots. Any idea why my Elmar 2.8 looks exactly the same except it says 5cm on it?
Thanks! If I understand you correctly, older models will say 5cm, newer models 50mm, both mean the same :)
Hey Matt! What is the close focus adapter you mention in the video? Is it just the Leica M Macro adapter? Thanks!
Hi Andrew, I did a whole video on close focus adapters. See that. You need to get the right one.
Matt, I have this amazing small lens, came with a Leica DBP body bought many years ago. How can I adapt the lens to my M10-R ? Are there close focus adapters for digital M mounts? I sure would love to try it out as it looks quite nice. Thanks!
Hi Daniel! You just need the orginal Elmar adapter (try eBay) that I show in the video and it should fit straight on your M10R. It works on all my other Ms.
I been happy with my copy.
Thanks yes a grreat little lens!
My Elmar was obtained for $US250 because of bent filter ring. It makes putting a filter on a bit inconvenient but works fine. IQ and functionality seem to be as-new. Since it was relatively inexpensive it’s my beach lens.
If you want even cheaper get the 3.5 version. I will do a video when I get chance.. on my list!
Try using the Series 6 filter system as the adapter pushes over the outside of the lens.
Correction: SOOGZ
I own the Elmar f2,8 screw mount and the the latest version (black) in M mount. Your lens review is spot on as always. Interesting news for me at least about the SOOKY-M. Price for this accessory seems to be around 160 and upwards sold separately on EBay. I think it looks a bit quirky. So I will leave on the shelf/EBay.
Thanks John, I've had mine a few years now so the prices have probably crept up like with everything else. I would say worth the money if you are desperate to do close up photos like I was but for most types of photos not needed.
You might see a deal if you keep an eye out.
Hi, any chance you tried this lens on an SL /SLs2 Body? is it safe to fully collapse , thanks :)
Hi Mario, I use these types of lenses with band on lens barrel so not to collapse 100% (on CL and SL)
Does anyone know how this performs on the Panasonic S9 or other mirrorless cameras? All my best pics have been taken with one.
Should be fine, all my M lease work fine on my S5.
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The reason I asked is the reason why the M8 had a small sensor. The distance from the back of the M lenses is smaller than SLR lenses. The light rays strike the edges of the sensor at a sharper angle. The M9 full frame sensors had micrenses to deal with this, but that was 12 years ago. Presumably the newer sensors are OK.
Some of these latest sensors generate huge files which are hard to transfer and process.
so i found a local buyer to get this lens it good condtion for only 400 and i currently have the summarit M 50mm f2.5 what is your opinion on this lens compared to the Elmar 2.8 M mount version is it worth getting this for 1. travel/easier and lighter carry on and 2. overall quality of lens the summarit is pretty nice but not sure how the elmar will stack against it
Hi! This lens give a more classic vintage rendering, lower contrast, less modern looking. Lens is nicely built. If want something smaller and if stopping the lens down get the Elmar 5cm f3.5 LTM and use a cheap LTM-M adapter. See that video to see the size and the "sharpest 50mm video"
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom thank you 🙏🏽
Great review! Thank you. I have a question. Can the goggle from the 50mm summicron DR be used by this lens?
no
No as this video mentions DR goggles are specific for the DR lens. The goggle mount/ design is completely different.
Hi
I presume you cannot fold the lens down when using a digital camera ?
The barnack Leica looks nice but I think i would struggle to use these as the rangefinder and viewfinder are very small.
And would be a know go as i use spectacles
Hi it depends on the camera. It will fold into the M240 but not the smaller CL. (from memory) Leica iii have diopters.. more advanced than M cameras ;) iiiG has bigger VF or use hotshoe VF..
Thanks for another great video
Thank you Nick, sorry I was away making more Leica videos so coming soon! Just catching up!
Hi Matt, awesome content on this channel. I have a iiia in the mail and excited to start playing with it. To start and verify the camera functions, I ordered an Industar 22 50mm to retain the small package. I wanted the Leica 50mm f2.8 or f2 but since I’m reading that the shutter max speed of the iiia is about 1/500 (measured) and I won’t do flash, would I be just as happy going with the f3.5 that seems much more affordable?
Roland Rosso hi thanks and congrats on iiia! I need to do reviews on all the lenses you mention from Leica but yes the 3.5 is just amazing for a compact setup. Check out my reason Canon 50mm video. 1.8 but shoot at f2-2.8 and it’s amazing..you will need f2 at times.
Roland Rosso if you want detailed comparison you’re welcome to join Patreon and I can do a video call to you showing the lenses on cameras and tell you wants good bad. Might be worth the cost to save money when buying. A few others joined to so I could help them with purchases. (Patreon is linked on more recent videos)
Matt Osborne The IIIa arrived! It’s a beautiful little camera. I think the shutter may have been replaced by a previous owner. It fires great, nice clear rangefinder, maybe a tab of haze in the viewfinder. Waiting for the Industar 50 50mm f3.5 collapsible to arrive to test a couple of rolls. Just watched your Voigtlander 15mm video, really like that lens too. I’ll plan on joining your Patreon, I think I can get a lot of your experience. I found a nice Elmar 135mm f4, but the prices are about $500 for nice examples. I’d like to get a decent range of lenses over time, but will probably start hunting for the best 50mm Leica I can get. Maybe the Industar will blow me away though.😁
Roland Rosso thanks Roland and congrats! Yes happy to tell you some lenses to look for / skip on Patreon if you decide to 👍🏻 $500 is too much for Elmar
Hello, thanks for the video. I was wondering...given it’s the internal bayonet that attaches to the goggles, would the screw mount version fit onto the M goggles? I’m about to buy! Many thanks
Hi Stephen, no if you buy the screw mount version you need a screw mount adapter. Be careful as LTM lens will not work close up on film M body. The google windows for LTM bodies in different position to M bodies so it doesn't line up. (I might need to do an additional video).
Stephen if you read other comments there is a chance it may fit but I was not aware it was possible (as never tried or read this previously).
Thanks so for the reply, so hard to find info, can be a bit trial and error. I was buying the screw mount version from ebay, I’ve cancelled the purchase but I guess there’s a chance it’s already been posted, in which case I’ll let you know if it works! If it does work it makes quite a bit of a saving, lense looks in good condition and as you mention easily fitted with an adapter to use as standard.
stephen moncrieff the 2.8 Ltm does work on M goggles. I tried for you. 3.5 doesn’t ficus accurately but fits. Good idea getting screw version! Sorry to give mixed answers, I’m learning too in some of these very niche areas.
Great, never heard of the close-focus thingy with this lens before. Do you lose a stop of light when using it for close focusing? Or is this averaged out because the lens is not extended as for normal MFD usage?
You lose less than a stop due to lens extension, varies with focus distance.
Thanks Adam, you beat me to half of these questions, good knowledge (I guessed maybe slight light loss but wasn't 100% as never noticed it in practice).
Thanks Martin, great I can show you something new. Normally you know most of this stuff already I think. Adam answered your question already -
With the googles attached, does the lens focus from 0.4 m to Infinity? Or is there a limit in focusing range? Same question for the 50 Summicron DR with googles attached. Thanks
Hi Andy, no I should have mentioned, as I did in the 50mm DR video, no with goggles attached there is no infinity. Perhaps to 1 meter (if like the DR), only. (See DR video for more on that lens).
Any tips if this lens gets stuck? Some times mine won’t extend back out when it’s collapsed.
You can probably lubricate it to make easier but I’ve not tried this so I’m no expert, sorry.
Thanks for the video. Very nice info when you told us there is a much more reasonably priced version of "dual range" than the actual DR-lens.
But F2.8 and Elmar. Why it is not Elmarit since it is F2.8...?
Thanks, yes it's a great question regarding the name! Sorry I cannot help with that one ha :)
The 5 cm/3.5 Elmar was Leitz's first interchangeable lens, followed shortly by 3.5cm/3.5 Elmar and 9cm/4 Elmar. Elmar referred to the optical arrangement rather than the speed. Although Leitz claimed they were developed independently (and the aperture placement differs) they all strongly resemble the Zeiss Tessar. The first 5 cm lens on the original Leica was an Elmax (different optical design), but as soon as Zeiss' original patent expired for the Tessar, the Elmar appeared on the Leica I. No doubt they were afraid of patent infringement suits.
@@AGL93311 Thanks Adam great knowledge on this stuff! I have the f3.5 Elmar and that will come in future videos. I knew it was based on a Tessar design (the same as the Soviet clone version that I also have). I didn't know about the naming though so thanks! Always learning :)
Is this the newest version and can you collapse this on digital M?
Hi no this is the original / older one. Newer one looks more like the 90 Macro Elmar (see that video). Yes can collapse.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom So both old and new version can collapse safely on the M10?
@@MrPhotographerDude yes all lenses are fine on M, only on smaller crop sensor cameras like CL you can’t collapse fully
Can all the versions of this lens be safely retracted into a digital m?
M262 in my case.
Yes I think dimensions are the same as M240 so it should be fine.
Can you collapse it at the M(240)?
Hi Hans, yes see the next video I posted. I show it on camera.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Thank you, I had the same question
@@michelesolmi244 happy I could help!
Great content
Thanks Michael!
Great video! Perhaps I missed this in the comments, but if you have the LTM version with an M-mount adapter, can you then use the LTM lens with the SOOKY-M close up device?
Thanks Andrew, I did a video on close up adapters, see my previous vids. It shows both lens mounts and both lenses 👍🏻
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom thanks very much. I watched the close-up video. Very informative!
@@andrewrothman7805 great, I’m
Glad you found it. The video pile it starting to mount up ha. There is also articles I write / record on Patreon which tends to have a bias to Leica/ film/ models/ lighting
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom one other question. Although I've owned 6 Leicas over the years, right now I have only an M2 and M5. But I also have three Canon rangefinders (VI-T, P, and 7sZ). Do you know if the LTM version of the Elmar can be used on the Canon rangefinders and still collapse safely?
@@andrewrothman7805 yes it should be fine..you're in luck, I was able to physically check for you. If you join Patreon i'll send you a photo haha (I try to help even people even more on there).. but yes it fits.
I have a 5cm summitar and 5cm summicron collapse does a cloce focus adapter existe and would it work on digital camera i use mft digital cameras . Thanks
Thanks Raziel, is there an M mount collapsible Summicron? I know there is the LTM mount. I will cover those in the next series as I use the Summitar with close focus adapter.
Hey Calum, yes the video only covers M mount. I don't have the Summicron but I use other collapsing 50s in LTM mount such as the Summitar. Be careful as each use different adapters (in most cases).
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom ya im lucky to own two 5cm collapsible summicron bought the first for my m2 and my wife bought me a m3 double stroke came with the summicron 5cm collapsible they are both m mount the cool thing with them is i can collapse them completely on my lumix g9 , as you know that does not work with the summitar . the cron collapsible with my gf2 is a super tiny set-up like a barnack+summitar
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Yes the first two Summicrons (collapsible and first rigid) came in both SM and M versions.
@@razielvonelric Great setup! I started out with a Lumix G1 back in the day and now use a GH5 for video. The G9 is a nice small camera so it sounds like the ideal pairing.
Will the snooky m fit the Leica cl?
It fits to M mount so you’ll need M-L adapter for CL. You can just use L-M close focus adapter from LightLebsLab. I did video for it.
I meant for the Leitz Minolta CL not the digital version.
@@antihero1980 you probably can’t collapse fully due to light meter but can mount it extended
Does it touch the sensor of digital Leica M cameras, when it is collapsed?
Hi Tamer, no it's all good. You can use collasped on any M body. (Just tried for you on M240 as couldn't remember!)
Matt Osborne thank you.
hi! Matt, loves so much your channel, that even my gf recognice your voice when i put a video on the ipad. I have a question, is there anything i should be carefull why collapse it on the m240? in some forums, says that if the lens have some “wobble” it may me dangerious? And do you have any video using elmar 50 2.8 on m240? Thanks! and love your work.
But is this safe to use with a CL?
Yes. See my "smallest Leica lens" video and you will see a similar lens and how much you can collapse. It won't collapse fully.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom after watching ( part ) of your reviews, just got the Voight.Ultron 35mm F1.7 and Heliar 50mm F3.5, if I dislike them you will hear from me again... just kidding
@@carlosnunes5717 haha if you dislike go and buy some glasses hehe (I’m joking) they are both very sharp :)
Do you ever sell any of your equipment?!?
For years and years no (other than when I first started and it was sell one, buy one) but yes i'm now getting closer to the mindset of deciding what I use the most and selling some stuff. (I sold and camera and lens in the last month so I've got a taste for it now!)
Matt Osborne go you!!! Lately I’ve been diagnosed with having G.A.S brought on by depression. I’m a photographer but I haven’t been creative since my mom/mum passed away 3 years ago. Your vids are up lifting and your photography is inspiring. Thanks again for posting.
Marlon Crutchfield thank you Marlon and sorry to hear your news. I obviously have bad G.A.S issues too, for me it’s the more I learn the worse it is as I then discover another great camera / lens to try! Luckily with old cameras I shouldn’t lose too much if decide to sell at later date.
I am so tired of eBay trolls... I watched this review and recalled the great fun I had with my original 50 Elmar.... so... went on eBay and purchased an 'execellent+++++'. It arrived and went on to my Leica immediately for verification test shots... worthless... the focus was so far off.. and yes, I did extend and lock it... This has happened so many times this past year with other supposedly good condition merchandise, I am thoroughly disgusted with the sellers. Of course, I will eventually get a refund, but what a hassle, and it makes any honest sellers come under suspicion......
Sorry to hear this Stuart, I has the same issue recently with an Elmar type lens (a Tessar 5cm) .. I feel sad for people that don't know how the images should look and just keep them. I'm sure I must have bought some faulty gear in my early days and just kept it to be polite. Now it goes back faster than it arrives! Keep the faith, there are some good guys out there too.
I have one of each. There is no difference in resolution. The older one has less contrast. The older one gives nicer out-of-focus rendering.
Thanks Henry! Great to hear from someone who owns both. What you say makes sense to me.
Maybe, of topic, but be aware not to collapse collabsible lenses with digital Leica:s nor the M5. You may ruin the sensor (digital) or the light meter (M5). But they are really fun to use on digital M cameras.
Thanks! Good timing.. I just posted a follow up video showing lens collapsed on my M240. I've never had issues on M bodies but I can't do this with smaller Leica CL for example.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I have just followed Leica:s warning "can only be used with the lens extended". I don't feel to collapse the lens if something should happen - costly! One that is not useable is early Elmar 90/4. I do not own a M240, but the warning is written for M8, M9 and M10. Maybe there is a difference between the M240 and the M8-10?
@@eksund1900 Ah yes this is interesting.. maybe because M240 is thicker/ deeper. Yes don't risk damaging your cameras but it works on my M240.