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Speaking as huge history buff whose interest started with Elizabeth I (even changed my middle name to hers), I don't think she was an awful ruler. Her existence had been hated and used since birth, Catholicism was the only place where she felt at peace, and was denied happiness time and again even when she finally sat on the throne. Eventually, she had succumb to madness due to loneness and died. But her executions really weren't as huge as everyone thinks, she started reforms in the country and navy that her successor perfected and losing Calais actually resulted in the French paying to have it. By centuries after her death, bias historians believe her rule to be a blemish to Elizabeth I's seemingly flawless long and prosperous reign. I won't deny she is nothing compared to her sister's much better reign, but the fact remains that she was England's first proper queen and I will remember her as such. *When I found out about 'Bloody Mary', I thought it to be a stupidly inaccurate and offensive name! Might as well call Tony Blair 'Wary Tony'!*
What about the Tudders of West Texas, & Katherine Kitty Cat the Queeny & her Texas Knights in shinin beer can armour...like ah knight in shinin armour!! Like that there 80s song said.
Her mother Katherine of Aragon is a fascinating study as well. She helped hold down the fort in England against a scottish rebel uprising while Henry VIII was away fighting France.
I'm still waiting on a video on Queen Katherine of Aragon, my favorite of Henry's wives. Everyone seems to like Anne Boleyn but I don't think that Katherine gets enough credit for being the beloved Queen that she was.
History did show that anne of Cleve's was pretty chill with her, though by then she was technically an "aunt" since henry made made her an unofficial sister instead of sending here back.
@symonew33 Why do you think royal families of Western Europe interest you like they do? Not a criticism, just curious. It's a pretty common interest among American women (or maybe Americans in general), and I've always wondered what peaked the interest.
Thank you for this Biographics. I have always been an admirer of Mary Tudor. A truly remarkable woman. I think the evil of Henry VIII is to blame for any suspected malfeasance of Mary‘s reign. We also have to remember that, there was 100 years of slander against Mary that happened in England after her death. I’m not saying that she did nothing wrong, just that some of the gruesome details have been exaggerated.
Didn't help that Protestants were being prosecuted like crazy on the continent and that fear bled into the English psyche. This is why James II found himself in trouble mostly. And Louis XIV turned persecuting non Catholics into an art form during his reign. Didn't help that thanks to a fake document over centuries Catholicism practically damaged all monarchies by allowing to play politics and interfere in a secret way when it suits them. One of the reason the Jews got bad luck for centuries (now they have their homeland back and are determined to keep it).
I appreciate the actual balanced remembrance of monarchs in comparison to each other. Fact is most of how we consider all these monarchs is based a lot on the propaganda of the time that persists to this day and not just a basic reading of facts. Doesn't excuse any of the things they did but context is always key. It's history and historiography
@@snowangelnc and she was likely raped by Thomas Seymour, Katherine Parr's final husband. Katherine Parr was devastated by this and managed to get Elizabeth away.
What’s interesting is that when Mary was campaigning for support to get the crown she didn’t mention a thing about religion. She knew that the people wanted the continuation of the Tudor line and therefore she just kept reminding everyone “I am King Henry’s daughter. Jane isn’t!” Obviously that tactic worked!
Love the narration and the vids in general but: Mary's mother was never styled Queen of Aragon, she was an Infanta/Princess. Catherine of Aragon, Queen of England. Betrothal between children was very common in those times. It was a long road between a betrothal and marriage and then to consumation. Betrothals were alliances and not much more. Also, it's said that Charles V was "her mother's cousin". No, no. Charles was Mary's cousin, nephew of Catherine of Aragon, son of Catherine's sister Juana of Castile (la Loca).
Slavery and a general lack of human rights used to be common too, doesn't make it any less fked 😂🤷♂️ That said I hear ya wasn't like they were the only people marrying off infants, buuut still that's fked 😂
@@ryandebosscher6821 A betrothal and what we understand as marriage today are two TOTALLY different things. Not acceptable but it would be more comparable to parents (still today in some cultures) choosing their children's husbands/wives. Nothing more. As I said, it was just an alliance, and betrothals were simply ignored very often when politics changed.
I've always thought that Mary was so tortured during her youth, and shown the selfish Henry VIII, that she was predestined to be a ruthless Queen. All she ever wanted was the love of her father and to marry and have children. None of this ever happened.
You can see why Catholicism would have become so important to her. It was a rock in a world that changed for her very suddenly, and something of her mother's that she could hang on to. Further, in England she was now a bastard, whereas the Catholic world continued to maintain she was heir and princess, and that her parents were still legally married.
Agree. I think recent scholarship has shown a more sympathetic view towards mary and her troublesome childhood. Let's just be happy shakespeare didn't write a play about her like he did Richard III. There would be no luck for her then
@@TheHistoryPrincess i just finished white Queen and am listening to White Princess. I have to say, I'm kinda glad he was lost for that long under a parking lot. It's actually too good for him.
Could you do a Biographics on Agatha Christie? Besides her stunning writing career, Christie had many notable accomplishments in her life, as well as disappearing mysteriously for a few days after her divorce from her first husband.
Yes and then also please do JK Rowling. The woman is amazing she went from welfare to the first self made billionaire author in history! But more importantly she turned so many kids teens and adults on to reading . She is truly one of a kind.
We did a thorough podcast episode about Mary I. (Monarchs & Malarkey) I absolutely think she has an unfair reputation. ALL the Tudors were terrible. MOST the monarchs in general were up until Victoria. But she also suffered egregiously. What she saw her mother go through? I can't say I entirely fault her for anything she did, even as I balk at the horror of it.
While Elizabeth did have more Catholics executed, 1) She reigned 40 years longer than Mary. 2) Most of those Catholics were plotting to overthrow and/or kill her.
@@The_Sigillite I'm not gonna act like Elizabeth didn't have her flaws. Nor am I gonna act like Mary didn't have an awful childhood. But Elizabeth was at the very least a more competent ruler. And rather than leave the past in the past, Mary behaved like a perpetual victim.
@@The_Sigillite I'm actually hoping this channel eventually covers either Æthelflæd, the legendary Lady of the Mercians, or her father, Alfred the Great, aka one of only two English kings titled "the Great" and who certainly earned it by single-handedly driving the Vikings out of England.
I’ve always felt bad for Mary. Given her rather traumatic childhood as well as a rather chaotic society inherited by her younger brother, Mary was a remarkably successful monarch. As historian Ives (I think) said, ‘the chief problem was the brevity of her reign’. Elizabeth’s success was due to propaganda essentially, which Mary did not prioritise do to her other priorities.
I agree with the question at the end. Centuries now, women who can't have kids or choose not to have kids have been portrayed as this way, that they're a lesser than human because of it. It's not to mention that she was not the typical woman for her time. She wasn't docile, she wasn't submissive - she stood for something and she didn't back down. Even now, a woman being that way is always seen as a horrible person.
How Elizabeth 1st fit into this equation? Strong willed, powerful, childless and an executer of many, and yet she is remembered as glorious. It would seem to me that it is more the circumstances of the times that paint the action of a monarch as great or evil, rather than simply a factor of their sex. Often the matter falls to how they choose to publicise themselves.
I don't know anyone that looks down on someone that can't have children or chooses not to. I also don't know a single soul that looks down on strong, independent women. But.... okay.
Nowadays, those women are literally prolonging our demise from overpopulation. In a perfect 2021 world, women without children would be celebrated, and women would be encouraged to not have kids. At the same time, however, pregnancy would be celebrated once it occurred because it's too late anyway
@@The_Sigillite Dude, what are you doing? You’re not supposed to question that narrative. You’re supposed to nod along and go “that’s riiiight” in a barely sentient monotone.
@@michaelbellone1680 she's obviously a Tudor by marriage. Like when a woman's last name changes when she marries a man. Wtf, how do you not get that concept?
I've read about Mary Tudor's life a lot and watched some documentaries too, but it's always something else hearing it from you! Thanks a lot for all your efforts 💕
She wasn't twisted. Henry VIII and Elizabeth I both killed many more people than she did but history remembers her, and not them, as "Bloody" because it is written by the victors.
Daniel Pavlick her reign was a lot shorter than either of them. If it had been around the same length, she would have killed way more people. The people who think calling Mary twisted is wrong are just ignorant, if you ask me.
@@LjuboCupic1912 that isnt true, actually, because henry killed 72,000 people in 38 years, which is around 1900 people a year. mary killed 300 people in 5 years, which is only 60 per year
😂🤣😂🤣 Too funny! I was just listening to Simon when I heard, "...George VIII" & my first thought was, "WTH is George VIII? Have I missed a monarch somewhere?" Then I saw the correction. 😜
Always more to learn. I especially like what you said at the end, comparing Mary's reign to the much bloodier reigns of Lionheart and Gloriana! Thanks for another interesting and informative look into that history!
How refreshing to see a much more balanced account of Mary’s life and achievements, whereas she is normally overly vilified and made out to be some medieval monster when her actions where always a reaction to treats to her safety and that of what was after all England before a royal divorce was sought; her reactions were the same as every single monarch before her, and some after her
She remained strong for so long, right up until she thought she had accomplished all her goals, then it all started tumbling away; her marriage, her dreams of a Catholic England, her chance to be a mother. Perhaps in the end she was too much Henry's daughter for her own good.
One thing I've noticed about Queen Mary and her place in history and alot of other misunderstood historical figures is that history seems to often retell the 'hero vs villain' story, quite often at the expense of the "villian". For example, Bloody Mary (aka Queen Mary) vs Glorius Gloriana (aka Elizabeth I). I think this is a sad thing alot of modern historians do abd in doing this we forget that society and common ethical expectations were different back then. Mary was a product of her time and generation and though she committed, what we would call today, human rights violations (which really wasn't even an idea until maybe after the trans Atlantic slave trade and maybe after the world wars) we should still remember what she went through as a young girl and then as a woman as well as her achievements during her reign. Elizabeth the first, though a great leader, had a body count that surpasses her sister by a large amount. Honestly I feel that hatred towards Mary was merely due to the fact that sje was a catholic monarch aiming to preserve catholisim instead of a protestant preserving protestantism (Britain's current national religon). I've seen many documentaries and articles about Queen Mary but this one of very few videos I've found that paints a more human picture of Mary, not jusy the bloody ruler but the victim of history, pre 18th century politics and her own hubris. Thanks for another great episode 👍🏽😁 keep em' coming!!!! 😀
Also another thing I've noticed about Elizabeth and Mary was how quickly after Mary's death, she was painted as the 'wicked catholic monarch' and Elizabeth the 'saintly virgin protestant' . Political and Religious propaganda? I think so... 🤔
The Rogano restaurant is kitted out 'in the style' of the QMs state rooms. Of course, it's just coincidence that both the QM and the Rogano were built/opened so close to each other at the same time and I'm also sure there was absolutely no pilfering from the yard workers into Mr Roganos new enterprise for a free lunch. Anything else is just scurrilous hearsay ;)
@@bam-skater I was happy to hear that the Rogano is remaining open, it was close to death a few weeks ago, at least in the rumour mill. Yes half the interiors for these ships and even up until the QE2 when my dad was building it, ended up in tenements along Dumbarton Road, from Curtains to Carpets. 😂
Thank you for this honest take on Mary’s true legacy. That she is still referred to as “Bloody” when her predecessor and then her younger sister, Elizabeth, tortured and killed thousands more has always bothered me. Mary’s reign could have been much better, but was influenced so much by the mistreatment of her mother, The Queen, and herself by Henry once he focused on having a legitimate son. One thing many forget is that despite her devout faith, and being heavily encouraged to do so, she didn’t have Elizabeth executed when knowing full well she would not reign as a Catholic. History is loaded with stories of monarchs who had family members killed for much less, yet even as she was dying Mary allowed Elizabeth to succeed her.
I live in a town called Welwyn which is literally a 5 minute drive from Hatfield house. I have visited it many times but had no idea bloody Mary resided there so that to me is an amazing bit of history. I will definitely pay more attention next time I go! There is also famous oak tree there where Queen Elizabeth liked to sit under in her youth and it was where she was told she was to be queen (or so the story goes) beautiful place.
I’d never suggest that Mary was ‘good’ especially not by today’s standards. In the same breath, I think her legacy was written by people who hated her and she deserves a more abstract and ambiguous legacy than history has provided her.
I would be interested in a video about Philip II of Spain - I never knew he was married to an English monarch, all I know of him is the drama that happened surrounding him and the Netherlands. An in-depth look into who he actually was would be nice.
Devotees of Gloriana like to cite Elizabeth I's speech at Tilbury as the height of royal female courage, but Mary's stand in Framlingham and London, during the Grey succession and Wyatt's Rebellion respectively, far outstrip anything her half-sister did.
She was the origin of that. Perhaps she's an angry ghost because kids keep bothering her... Or perhaps, because kids remind her of her failed fertility?
Both my husband and I have connections to the Tudor dynasty. His 13th great grandfather is Sir Francis Bryan the Vicar of Hell and was best buds with King Henry VIII. My 15th great uncle is Sir Francis Drake known as the Queen’s pirate and served Queen Elizabeth I. I am absolutely obsessed with the Tudors!
6:50 😂🤣😂🤣 Too funny! I was just listening to Simon when I heard, "...George VIII" & my first thought was, "WTH is George VIII? Have I missed a monarch somewhere?" Then I saw the correction. 😜
I don't think Mary was more "bloody" than her father, Henry VIII. He executed some 57,000 people, but it was over some 20-plus years. I think the reason Mary is styled "bloody" is that she only reigned for five years and "only" executed 300, whereas Henry VIII and Elizabeth I reigned over many years, so the numbers don't look as bad over a longer time span. Henry and Elizabeth were famous for hanging, drawing and quartering, and Mary burned people, so not sure which would be worse???
Burning to death is very slow, very painful. Hanging, drawing and quartering is usually pretty quick. So is beheading, which was a more familiar means of killing.
Being burned alive must have been a terrible death and the story of the baby being born while the mother was being burned then thrown into the fire is horrific. However, Henry VIII showed no mercy to the Pilgrimage Of Grace who marched peacefully against the closure of the monasteries which helped the poor. He had them mercilessly killed. Edward had made the mass illegal - how many Catholics would have died on his orders had he lived? Jane Grey, although young, had strong protestant convictions - that is why Edward chose her as his successor. How many Catholics would have died under her reign had she kept the throne? Would he have had Mary executed? As was pointed out, Elizabeth had 195 people executed for religious reasons. King James V was known for persecuting women and burning them as witches - yet he is not known as Bloody James. I don't agree with what Mary did but I believe she has been singled out because she was Catholic.
My Great-Great-Great (x many) grandfather was one of the unlucky to be burned at the stake in Canterbury in July 1555- the Reverend John Bland. His trial is well documented in ‘Foxe’s Book of Martyrs’.
If you have any documentation or I formation I’d love to hear it! I’m currently writing my thesis on the fall of Catholicism in England and I’m looking for unknown sources :)
Leah S I just have my family tree that leads back to him. But there is some more information about him online that’s easy to find- and of course ‘Foxe’s Book of Martyrs’ that I mentioned! 😊
Surprised you went with Mary as your first Tudor - can you please now do the others? And Mary Queen of Scots? Have been looking for these on your channel for ages.
My suggestions for next biographies: Sir Nicholas Winton Nicolas Flamel Akhenaten Bartholomew Roberts aka Black Bart Madame Voisin Cesare Borgia D B Cooper
Everyone else seemed to have covered it but yes, Katherine was a Princess/Infanta of Aragon because her father was King of Aragon. Katherine was never it's Queen though 😁 But back to Mary, I honestly can't totally blame Mary for her behavior and life as an adult. She was very much neglected and abused by her father and Anne Boleyn who was determined to make Mary and Katherine suffer. The only people who seemed love her was her mother and Eustace Chapuay, the Ambassador to England from Spain and friend of Mary's mother. Therefore having had Katherine separated from her daughter and dying with either of them ever seeing each other again is totally traumatizing and heartbreaking. Mary's position was always unstable and precarious depending on her father's mood: and the years of her early adulthood where she should have been married and become a mother were wasted. Not to mention that her eventual husband really didn't love her and thought she was ugly.... and never got to become a mother and had those dreams dashed as well as her hope for restoring England to Catholicism; one of the last shreds she had of her mother in a way. And on top of that, her own brother/godson tried to stop her from her birthright of being a Queen. Poor thing, her life was so hard and tragic.
i completely agree with u! she deserved the best childhood out of most royals but got the worst 😭😭😭 i hate henry and anne so much! im not trying to be mean or hateful at all, it's just my opinion because she made people i love suffer. i know that henry killed anne on false charges because he tired of her, and thats unfair, but that doesnt make anne's treatment to mary and katherine acceptable. they were both way more amazing than her, imo. mary will always be one of my favourite royals. and katherine too, ofc
You gotta feel bad for mary though, Her father divorced her mother and separated england from the church just to get with her stepmother . She was in a loveless relationship, there was no baby and she was falling apart, Soon, driving her into insanity, So shes really just a troubled monarch.
Don't forget that her reign was short. She didn't have enough time to kill as much as her predecessors and successors. Yet, she managed to have many killed in a short period of time.
I understand this is a sarcastic comment but it shows ignorance. To label every religion in relation to Christ (Catholics, protestants etc) as Christianity is purely wrong. Also its obvious that Christianity in teachings is very different in practice, since its up to people to properly apply those teachings. Majority of people who claim to be Christians ( past and present) are/were not actually Christians since they were not applying the teachings of it.
Akhil Dupal it’s unfair that you’re only allowed to claim good people as truly Christian. Many people know that Christianity is a joke, because it doesn’t compel anyone to be decent.
@@MichaelCarter90046 actually it does and it has... Some people are just crazy and take what they believe in too far to extreme lengths unfortunately. I am a Christian myself and push my beliefs and ideologies onto no one
I'm really really surprised at the lack of detail being displayed here. Mary Tudor was born and lived, and even ruled England before 1707. So she never was British. She was English. So why have her displayed beside a union jack?
Thanks for this. It's filled in some gaps for sure. You mentioned Thomas Cromwell, and my girlfriend is reading a book on him at the moment. If it fits in your plan could you put him in as an episode?
If I recall correctly, The Church of England isn't really considered a traditional Protestant faith. King Henry did want to join one of the Protestant faiths but the ones around at the time also valued the sanctity of marriage and would've refused his divorce request as well. He then created his own branch of Christianity so he could do as he pleased.
Henry was still prettymuch Catholic. A book I read on Katherine Howard basically said under Henry, England was basically Catholicism without the pope. The Howards (which Anne Boleyn and Katherine Howard came from) were actually quite papist, with the exception of lining the royal treasury with the church's property (can't think why) and having Henry as the leader (also can't think why). These days Anglicanism, basically the Church of England is quite aligned with Catholicism- with notable exceptions- and differs from the real protestant broadchurches.
@@georgeprchal3924 He abolished so many monasteries just to get their land and wealth. People have no idea how many valuable medieval books and art works were destroyed during the reformation.
I was glad to see an honest assessment of Mary. Also her father and her sister killed many more people. I didn't realise Richard the lion hearted had killed so many. Everyone uses that nickname for Mary( placed on her by her enemies after her death). Thanks for the honest portrayal.
1:03- Catherine was Queen of England, she was a Princess of Aragon. Her name was Catherine of Aragon Queen of England. 1:47- Charles V was Mary’s cousin. He was her mother’s nephew. His mother was Catherine’s older sister Joanna. 6:50- Her father was King Henry VIII. There has never been a King George VIII of England.
I don't agree with her methods, but part of me does feel quite bad for her. Think about the mental anguish she endured throughout her life..it was a very sad life.
Mary Tudor did what she believed was right! Also, she had to demonstrate her 'strength' or in this case faith that she wasn't bluffing. Hence the execution of Dudley.
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finnaly been waiting for this for a while
thanks a lot
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Speaking as huge history buff whose interest started with Elizabeth I (even changed my middle name to hers), I don't think she was an awful ruler. Her existence had been hated and used since birth, Catholicism was the only place where she felt at peace, and was denied happiness time and again even when she finally sat on the throne. Eventually, she had succumb to madness due to loneness and died. But her executions really weren't as huge as everyone thinks, she started reforms in the country and navy that her successor perfected and losing Calais actually resulted in the French paying to have it. By centuries after her death, bias historians believe her rule to be a blemish to Elizabeth I's seemingly flawless long and prosperous reign. I won't deny she is nothing compared to her sister's much better reign, but the fact remains that she was England's first proper queen and I will remember her as such. *When I found out about 'Bloody Mary', I thought it to be a stupidly inaccurate and offensive name! Might as well call Tony Blair 'Wary Tony'!*
Suggestion: Queen Anne, last of the Stuarts.
6:48 Henry becomes George VIII
Catherine of Aragon was a princess, not the Queen of Aragon, she was however, the Queen of England
Thank you!
Came to write the same thing. Thanks
@@melissafern6025 beat me to it, lol
What about the Tudders of West Texas, & Katherine Kitty Cat the Queeny & her Texas Knights in shinin beer can armour...like ah knight in shinin armour!! Like that there 80s song said.
I was like, bruh, not even 90 seconds in with the first mistake? Who is running post production on these?
Her mother Katherine of Aragon is a fascinating study as well. She helped hold down the fort in England against a scottish rebel uprising while Henry VIII was away fighting France.
KoA was a total badass. Her going down in history as a poor discarted wife is very unfair.
Moreover, he lost and she won. 😛😂
I'm still waiting on a video on Queen Katherine of Aragon, my favorite of Henry's wives. Everyone seems to like Anne Boleyn but I don't think that Katherine gets enough credit for being the beloved Queen that she was.
Also her Katherine's parents would be interesting and her older sister. And her aunt Margaret of Scotland
Hold the fort, not hold down the fort.
Yes!
Other Suggestions:
Abraham Lincoln: The Great Emancipator
Henry VIII: The Tyrannical Tudor King
Elizabeth I: The Virgin Queen
I vote for Elizabeth I!! Great ideas, Kath!
I never even thought about the fact that every time Mary started liking her stepmothers they died 😕
Talk about the kiss of death 😷
History did show that anne of Cleve's was pretty chill with her, though by then she was technically an "aunt" since henry made made her an unofficial sister instead of sending here back.
If either of them had lived I believe the outcome would have been noticiebly different.
@symonew33 Why do you think royal families of Western Europe interest you like they do? Not a criticism, just curious.
It's a pretty common interest among American women (or maybe Americans in general), and I've always wondered what peaked the interest.
I don't think she liked Anne very much lol
Thank you for this Biographics. I have always been an admirer of Mary Tudor. A truly remarkable woman. I think the evil of Henry VIII is to blame for any suspected malfeasance of Mary‘s reign. We also have to remember that, there was 100 years of slander against Mary that happened in England after her death. I’m not saying that she did nothing wrong, just that some of the gruesome details have been exaggerated.
Didn't help that Protestants were being prosecuted like crazy on the continent and that fear bled into the English psyche. This is why James II found himself in trouble mostly. And Louis XIV turned persecuting non Catholics into an art form during his reign. Didn't help that thanks to a fake document over centuries Catholicism practically damaged all monarchies by allowing to play politics and interfere in a secret way when it suits them. One of the reason the Jews got bad luck for centuries (now they have their homeland back and are determined to keep it).
I appreciate the actual balanced remembrance of monarchs in comparison to each other. Fact is most of how we consider all these monarchs is based a lot on the propaganda of the time that persists to this day and not just a basic reading of facts. Doesn't excuse any of the things they did but context is always key. It's history and historiography
Damn, what is it with Texans and fake news 😆?
This seems like a case of "you either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain".
Any woman connected to henry viii was bound to have issues with love, marriage. I kinda feel sorry for her overall. Woman had some issues
They usually do.
@@ambebhavani women typically do or just those connected with Henry?
@@ambebhavani and it's usually caused by men 😂
There were other factors too, but this background at least in part explains why Elizabeth never married.
@@snowangelnc and she was likely raped by Thomas Seymour, Katherine Parr's final husband. Katherine Parr was devastated by this and managed to get Elizabeth away.
What’s interesting is that when Mary was campaigning for support to get the crown she didn’t mention a thing about religion. She knew that the people wanted the continuation of the Tudor line and therefore she just kept reminding everyone “I am King Henry’s daughter. Jane isn’t!” Obviously that tactic worked!
Love the narration and the vids in general but:
Mary's mother was never styled Queen of Aragon, she was an Infanta/Princess. Catherine of Aragon, Queen of England.
Betrothal between children was very common in those times. It was a long road between a betrothal and marriage and then to consumation. Betrothals were alliances and not much more.
Also, it's said that Charles V was "her mother's cousin". No, no. Charles was Mary's cousin, nephew of Catherine of Aragon, son of Catherine's sister Juana of Castile (la Loca).
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At one point, I think he actually refered to Henry as George.
@@Isildun9 I caught that also.
Slavery and a general lack of human rights used to be common too, doesn't make it any less fked 😂🤷♂️ That said I hear ya wasn't like they were the only people marrying off infants, buuut still that's fked 😂
@@ryandebosscher6821 A betrothal and what we understand as marriage today are two TOTALLY different things. Not acceptable but it would be more comparable to parents (still today in some cultures) choosing their children's husbands/wives. Nothing more.
As I said, it was just an alliance, and betrothals were simply ignored very often when politics changed.
1:00 - Chapter 1 - Teenage wasteland
6:45 - Chapter 2 - Beheaded, Died , Divorced, Beheaded, Survived
10:15 - Mid roll ads
11:20 - Chapter 3 - Mary triumphant
14:40 - Chapter 4 - Mary the queen
20:55 - Chapter 5 - Mary the bloody
I've always thought that Mary was so tortured during her youth, and shown the selfish Henry VIII, that she was predestined to be a ruthless Queen. All she ever wanted was the love of her father and to marry and have children. None of this ever happened.
You can see why Catholicism would have become so important to her. It was a rock in a world that changed for her very suddenly, and something of her mother's that she could hang on to. Further, in England she was now a bastard, whereas the Catholic world continued to maintain she was heir and princess, and that her parents were still legally married.
Agree. I think recent scholarship has shown a more sympathetic view towards mary and her troublesome childhood. Let's just be happy shakespeare didn't write a play about her like he did Richard III. There would be no luck for her then
I've had some disappoints too but I don't go round setting people on fire
@@jaspercorbyn8678 it's really not in vogue at the moment. But, bow to your brilliance with that comment.
@@TheHistoryPrincess i just finished white Queen and am listening to White Princess. I have to say, I'm kinda glad he was lost for that long under a parking lot. It's actually too good for him.
Could you do a Biographics on Agatha Christie? Besides her stunning writing career, Christie had many notable accomplishments in her life, as well as disappearing mysteriously for a few days after her divorce from her first husband.
Yes and then also please do JK Rowling. The woman is amazing she went from welfare to the first self made billionaire author in history! But more importantly she turned so many kids teens and adults on to reading . She is truly one of a kind.
Missy Rose She’s also something of a feminist supremacist (at the expense of transgendered and non binary)
I'd love that too!
Anne of Cleves: “Henry swiped left”. 😆😆😆
you're not funny
😂🤣🤣
Was she the princess who almost married with king Philip 2 of Spain?
Wait, was Anne Of Cleeves the original catfish?
@@borismuller86 Nope, if anybody was the catfish it was Henry VIII.
We did a thorough podcast episode about Mary I. (Monarchs & Malarkey) I absolutely think she has an unfair reputation. ALL the Tudors were terrible. MOST the monarchs in general were up until Victoria. But she also suffered egregiously. What she saw her mother go through? I can't say I entirely fault her for anything she did, even as I balk at the horror of it.
You called Henry VIII “George VIII” at the 6:49 mark.
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Glad I wasn’t the only one to notice that! And yeah. VII not XIII
Keira Watson VIII
Eddie L haha! Damn it!
Yep
While Elizabeth did have more Catholics executed, 1) She reigned 40 years longer than Mary. 2) Most of those Catholics were plotting to overthrow and/or kill her.
Plus optics, never forget the optics. "Virginal Glorianna" rings a little nicer than "Mary the Spaniard shagger".
@@The_Sigillite I'm not gonna act like Elizabeth didn't have her flaws. Nor am I gonna act like Mary didn't have an awful childhood.
But Elizabeth was at the very least a more competent ruler. And rather than leave the past in the past, Mary behaved like a perpetual victim.
@@The_Sigillite I'm actually hoping this channel eventually covers either Æthelflæd, the legendary Lady of the Mercians, or her father, Alfred the Great, aka one of only two English kings titled "the Great" and who certainly earned it by single-handedly driving the Vikings out of England.
I so missed your comment... I said the same thing!
I’ve always felt bad for Mary. Given her rather traumatic childhood as well as a rather chaotic society inherited by her younger brother, Mary was a remarkably successful monarch. As historian Ives (I think) said, ‘the chief problem was the brevity of her reign’. Elizabeth’s success was due to propaganda essentially, which Mary did not prioritise do to her other priorities.
I agree with the question at the end. Centuries now, women who can't have kids or choose not to have kids have been portrayed as this way, that they're a lesser than human because of it.
It's not to mention that she was not the typical woman for her time. She wasn't docile, she wasn't submissive - she stood for something and she didn't back down. Even now, a woman being that way is always seen as a horrible person.
How Elizabeth 1st fit into this equation? Strong willed, powerful, childless and an executer of many, and yet she is remembered as glorious. It would seem to me that it is more the circumstances of the times that paint the action of a monarch as great or evil, rather than simply a factor of their sex. Often the matter falls to how they choose to publicise themselves.
I don't know anyone that looks down on someone that can't have children or chooses not to. I also don't know a single soul that looks down on strong, independent women. But.... okay.
@@shadehunter Do you speak for the world? I know sooo many
Nowadays, those women are literally prolonging our demise from overpopulation.
In a perfect 2021 world, women without children would be celebrated, and women would be encouraged to not have kids. At the same time, however, pregnancy would be celebrated once it occurred because it's too late anyway
@@The_Sigillite
Dude, what are you doing? You’re not supposed to question that narrative. You’re supposed to nod along and go “that’s riiiight” in a barely sentient monotone.
Tony Stark: Eggs? Breakfast?
Thor: No. I'd like a Bloody Mary.
@UltimateShamrock but you got the reference, right?
You should do a video on all the Tudors. Elizabeth I, Henry Viii, Katherine of Aragon, Anne Boleyn,
Don't forget Arthur Tudor.
Yesssss
@@savagedarksider5934 you mean Arthur? Lol
Catalina de Aragon was not a Tudor, she was of the House of Trastámara.
@@michaelbellone1680 she's obviously a Tudor by marriage. Like when a woman's last name changes when she marries a man. Wtf, how do you not get that concept?
I've read about Mary Tudor's life a lot and watched some documentaries too, but it's always something else hearing it from you!
Thanks a lot for all your efforts 💕
I doula say troubled. Her father’s abuse and neglect of her added with the whole Annie Boleyn as the evil stepmother twisted her up
She wasn't twisted. Henry VIII and Elizabeth I both killed many more people than she did but history remembers her, and not them, as "Bloody" because it is written by the victors.
Daniel Pavlick her reign was a lot shorter than either of them. If it had been around the same length, she would have killed way more people. The people who think calling Mary twisted is wrong are just ignorant, if you ask me.
@@LjuboCupic1912 that isnt true, actually, because henry killed 72,000 people in 38 years, which is around 1900 people a year. mary killed 300 people in 5 years, which is only 60 per year
@@2Amethyst2 might've had to with her methods. Plus what she did to the former Archbishop of Canterbury. Methods of killing usually define your reign.
lol rey the mary bloody sue
Great video as usual Simon and very open and fair closing statement on how history remembers certain figures, very true.
did he say king george the eighth and not henry at 6:47 or am i just deaf
That's what I heard also.
@@WendyLPN And I too.
he did indeed. i was going to say so myself until i saw that you'd beat me to it
He definitely said it
Yeah, that's why I disliked this one.
King...George VIII? Slow down, George VII is still in grade school!
for king George,and old Britain forever.😄
😂🤣😂🤣 Too funny! I was just listening to Simon when I heard, "...George VIII" & my first thought was, "WTH is George VIII? Have I missed a monarch somewhere?" Then I saw the correction. 😜
Assuming he even styles himself George.
Even though I'm very informed on this topic, have to listen to Simon say it all again, cause it's Simon!
Always more to learn. I especially like what you said at the end, comparing Mary's reign to the much bloodier reigns of Lionheart and Gloriana! Thanks for another interesting and informative look into that history!
How refreshing to see a much more balanced account of Mary’s life and achievements, whereas she is normally overly vilified and made out to be some medieval monster when her actions where always a reaction to treats to her safety and that of what was after all England before a royal divorce was sought; her reactions were the same as every single monarch before her, and some after her
She remained strong for so long, right up until she thought she had accomplished all her goals, then it all started tumbling away; her marriage, her dreams of a Catholic England, her chance to be a mother. Perhaps in the end she was too much Henry's daughter for her own good.
You have no idea how long I've waited for this video. Thanks.
The bullet holes shot at Weiss are still in the walls of the capitol building. I got to see them as a kid. They shot over 100 rounds.
please make a video about anne boleyn next!
I put much of the blame on her father, Henry VIII. No child could go through what Mary went through and turn out normal.
i completely agree. i love mary so much. henry deserves to burn in hell for what he did to katherine and mary
Awesome. I never saw her in this light. It's new and it's making me feel ashamed of myself for judging her 🙈
May I take this time my fine chap to say you have a beard that could weather a blizzard🧐
The beard gods blessed him with a good one
And it's well trimmed, dare I say it's a beautiful bushy beard😂
Just Google a picture of a guitar god named John Petrucci. He is the beard king.
Aye, 'tis a hearty beast.
It is pretty impressive 🥰
finally, an amazing tudor video!!
One thing I've noticed about Queen Mary and her place in history and alot of other misunderstood historical figures is that history seems to often retell the 'hero vs villain' story, quite often at the expense of the "villian". For example, Bloody Mary (aka Queen Mary) vs Glorius Gloriana (aka Elizabeth I). I think this is a sad thing alot of modern historians do abd in doing this we forget that society and common ethical expectations were different back then. Mary was a product of her time and generation and though she committed, what we would call today, human rights violations (which really wasn't even an idea until maybe after the trans Atlantic slave trade and maybe after the world wars) we should still remember what she went through as a young girl and then as a woman as well as her achievements during her reign. Elizabeth the first, though a great leader, had a body count that surpasses her sister by a large amount. Honestly I feel that hatred towards Mary was merely due to the fact that sje was a catholic monarch aiming to preserve catholisim instead of a protestant preserving protestantism (Britain's current national religon). I've seen many documentaries and articles about Queen Mary but this one of very few videos I've found that paints a more human picture of Mary, not jusy the bloody ruler but the victim of history, pre 18th century politics and her own hubris. Thanks for another great episode 👍🏽😁 keep em' coming!!!! 😀
Also another thing I've noticed about Elizabeth and Mary was how quickly after Mary's death, she was painted as the 'wicked catholic monarch' and Elizabeth the 'saintly virgin protestant' . Political and Religious propaganda? I think so... 🤔
Elizabeth indeed had a higher body count, but that was over 45 years rather than 5 and was usually in response to plots against her.
Tbh all I knew of her was the Queen Mary (Hull 534) built on the Clyde, sister ship to Queen Elizabeth (Hull 552). Very informative.
The Rogano restaurant is kitted out 'in the style' of the QMs state rooms. Of course, it's just coincidence that both the QM and the Rogano were built/opened so close to each other at the same time and I'm also sure there was absolutely no pilfering from the yard workers into Mr Roganos new enterprise for a free lunch. Anything else is just scurrilous hearsay ;)
@@bam-skater I was happy to hear that the Rogano is remaining open, it was close to death a few weeks ago, at least in the rumour mill. Yes half the interiors for these ships and even up until the QE2 when my dad was building it, ended up in tenements along Dumbarton Road, from Curtains to Carpets. 😂
"Any other cinderella would have accepted her fate as an errand girl whiles staging musical routines with a bunch of mice"🤣🤣🤣🤣.. simon why 😂😂😆
Thank you for this honest take on Mary’s true legacy. That she is still referred to as “Bloody” when her predecessor and then her younger sister, Elizabeth, tortured and killed thousands more has always bothered me. Mary’s reign could have been much better, but was influenced so much by the mistreatment of her mother, The Queen, and herself by Henry once he focused on having a legitimate son. One thing many forget is that despite her devout faith, and being heavily encouraged to do so, she didn’t have Elizabeth executed when knowing full well she would not reign as a Catholic. History is loaded with stories of monarchs who had family members killed for much less, yet even as she was dying Mary allowed Elizabeth to succeed her.
Henry showered affection on Mary when she was a young child and would trot her out to show her off to visitors.
Please do a video on H.C. Andersen and Alexander Dumas, thank you guys for all your hard work!!!
One is always judged more harshly than one's peers if one is not attractive and/or has charisma in spades.
This is the lot ascribed to Mary Tudor.
I live in a town called Welwyn which is literally a 5 minute drive from Hatfield house. I have visited it many times but had no idea bloody Mary resided there so that to me is an amazing bit of history. I will definitely pay more attention next time I go! There is also famous oak tree there where Queen Elizabeth liked to sit under in her youth and it was where she was told she was to be queen (or so the story goes) beautiful place.
I’d never suggest that Mary was ‘good’ especially not by today’s standards. In the same breath, I think her legacy was written by people who hated her and she deserves a more abstract and ambiguous legacy than history has provided her.
I would be interested in a video about Philip II of Spain - I never knew he was married to an English monarch, all I know of him is the drama that happened surrounding him and the Netherlands. An in-depth look into who he actually was would be nice.
He was actually quite A good leader- I felt sorry fir him because he had to make love to that ugly queen Mary.
I still consider her a villain based on how she treated her younger sister.
Reassessment of the legacy of Mary I sounds like an awesome idea!
Devotees of Gloriana like to cite Elizabeth I's speech at Tilbury as the height of royal female courage, but Mary's stand in Framlingham and London, during the Grey succession and Wyatt's Rebellion respectively, far outstrip anything her half-sister did.
Homie really said “King George VIII”
Love all the channels, Simon! Especially biographics and business blaze :)
Ok the term “bloody Mary” just brings back the old game of saying Bloody Mary 3 times into a mirror... anyone know what I’m talking about?
Yeah I remember as a kid being too scared to do that
She was the origin of that. Perhaps she's an angry ghost because kids keep bothering her... Or perhaps, because kids remind her of her failed fertility?
Both my husband and I have connections to the Tudor dynasty. His 13th great grandfather is Sir Francis Bryan the Vicar of Hell and was best buds with King Henry VIII. My 15th great uncle is Sir Francis Drake known as the Queen’s pirate and served Queen Elizabeth I. I am absolutely obsessed with the Tudors!
Thank you! Love Tudor history
6:50 😂🤣😂🤣 Too funny! I was just listening to Simon when I heard, "...George VIII" & my first thought was, "WTH is George VIII? Have I missed a monarch somewhere?" Then I saw the correction. 😜
I don't think Mary was more "bloody" than her father, Henry VIII. He executed some 57,000 people, but it was over some 20-plus years. I think the reason Mary is styled "bloody" is that she only reigned for five years and "only" executed 300, whereas Henry VIII and Elizabeth I reigned over many years, so the numbers don't look as bad over a longer time span. Henry and Elizabeth were famous for hanging, drawing and quartering, and Mary burned people, so not sure which would be worse???
Burning to death is very slow, very painful. Hanging, drawing and quartering is usually pretty quick. So is beheading, which was a more familiar means of killing.
@@ShannonCarter55 🤷♀️
One of my favorite historical figures
Who is the guy that pops up at 0:02 seconds before Curiosity stream ad rolls?
6:48 george VIII didn't know Britain had time traveling monarchs
The flag in the thumbnail didn’t exist when Mary was Queen. The UK didn’t exist yet.
Off with his head
Queen of England, Princess of Aragón and Castille. Since his father was Fernidand II of Aragón, she is know as Katherine or Catherine of Aragón.
We need an Elizabeth I biographics
Being burned alive must have been a terrible death and the story of the baby being born while the mother was being burned then thrown into the fire is horrific. However, Henry VIII showed no mercy to the Pilgrimage Of Grace who marched peacefully against the closure of the monasteries which helped the poor. He had them mercilessly killed. Edward had made the mass illegal - how many Catholics would have died on his orders had he lived? Jane Grey, although young, had strong protestant convictions - that is why Edward chose her as his successor. How many Catholics would have died under her reign had she kept the throne? Would he have had Mary executed? As was pointed out, Elizabeth had 195 people executed for religious reasons. King James V was known for persecuting women and burning them as witches - yet he is not known as Bloody James. I don't agree with what Mary did but I believe she has been singled out because she was Catholic.
Indeed, they as we are, we're all marred by abuses.
My Great-Great-Great (x many) grandfather was one of the unlucky to be burned at the stake in Canterbury in July 1555- the Reverend John Bland. His trial is well documented in ‘Foxe’s Book of Martyrs’.
If you have any documentation or I formation I’d love to hear it! I’m currently writing my thesis on the fall of Catholicism in England and I’m looking for unknown sources :)
Leah S I just have my family tree that leads back to him. But there is some more information about him online that’s easy to find- and of course ‘Foxe’s Book of Martyrs’ that I mentioned! 😊
Surprised you went with Mary as your first Tudor - can you please now do the others? And Mary Queen of Scots? Have been looking for these on your channel for ages.
My suggestions for next biographies:
Sir Nicholas Winton
Nicolas Flamel
Akhenaten
Bartholomew Roberts aka Black Bart
Madame Voisin
Cesare Borgia
D B Cooper
Everyone else seemed to have covered it but yes, Katherine was a Princess/Infanta of Aragon because her father was King of Aragon. Katherine was never it's Queen though 😁
But back to Mary, I honestly can't totally blame Mary for her behavior and life as an adult. She was very much neglected and abused by her father and Anne Boleyn who was determined to make Mary and Katherine suffer. The only people who seemed love her was her mother and Eustace Chapuay, the Ambassador to England from Spain and friend of Mary's mother. Therefore having had Katherine separated from her daughter and dying with either of them ever seeing each other again is totally traumatizing and heartbreaking. Mary's position was always unstable and precarious depending on her father's mood: and the years of her early adulthood where she should have been married and become a mother were wasted. Not to mention that her eventual husband really didn't love her and thought she was ugly.... and never got to become a mother and had those dreams dashed as well as her hope for restoring England to Catholicism; one of the last shreds she had of her mother in a way. And on top of that, her own brother/godson tried to stop her from her birthright of being a Queen.
Poor thing, her life was so hard and tragic.
i completely agree with u! she deserved the best childhood out of most royals but got the worst 😭😭😭 i hate henry and anne so much!
im not trying to be mean or hateful at all, it's just my opinion because she made people i love suffer.
i know that henry killed anne on false charges because he tired of her, and thats unfair, but that doesnt make anne's treatment to mary and katherine acceptable. they were both way more amazing than her, imo.
mary will always be one of my favourite royals. and katherine too, ofc
You gotta feel bad for mary though,
Her father divorced her mother and separated england from the church just to get with her stepmother .
She was in a loveless relationship, there was no baby and she was falling apart,
Soon, driving her into insanity,
So shes really just a troubled monarch.
Mary’s later childhood obviously instilled a constant survival mode in her. Thanks a freakin lot, Henry!
Congrats! You made me reconsider 3 people's legacies.
It really is a shame that she became known as 'Bloody' Mary, even though some of her predecessors and successors killed more people.
Tens of thousands more.
Henry VIII was far far worse.
I wonder if it had anything to do with her religious beliefs not being aligned with those of her successors?
@@paulwl3159 that and Shakespeare knew where his money was made.
Don't forget that her reign was short. She didn't have enough time to kill as much as her predecessors and successors. Yet, she managed to have many killed in a short period of time.
Isn't it wonderful how Christianity brings people together in love and compassion?
I'll just be sitting over here with my popcorn!
@@Lanisteelerocks yes
I understand this is a sarcastic comment but it shows ignorance. To label every religion in relation to Christ (Catholics, protestants etc) as Christianity is purely wrong. Also its obvious that Christianity in teachings is very different in practice, since its up to people to properly apply those teachings. Majority of people who claim to be Christians ( past and present) are/were not actually Christians since they were not applying the teachings of it.
Akhil Dupal it’s unfair that you’re only allowed to claim good people as truly Christian. Many people know that Christianity is a joke, because it doesn’t compel anyone to be decent.
@@MichaelCarter90046 actually it does and it has... Some people are just crazy and take what they believe in too far to extreme lengths unfortunately. I am a Christian myself and push my beliefs and ideologies onto no one
I'm really really surprised at the lack of detail being displayed here.
Mary Tudor was born and lived, and even ruled England before 1707.
So she never was British. She was English.
So why have her displayed beside a union jack?
Thanks for this. It's filled in some gaps for sure. You mentioned Thomas Cromwell, and my girlfriend is reading a book on him at the moment. If it fits in your plan could you put him in as an episode?
Do a Biographics on Elizabeth 1st.
A good well balanced Bio
The melody used in the video while changing chapters really reminds me of stardew valley
Simon nails the outro again.
He was queen Catherine’s nephew, not cousin.
I think he meant to mean that he was Mary's cousin.
That is a subject worthy of its own forum.
If I recall correctly, The Church of England isn't really considered a traditional Protestant faith. King Henry did want to join one of the Protestant faiths but the ones around at the time also valued the sanctity of marriage and would've refused his divorce request as well. He then created his own branch of Christianity so he could do as he pleased.
Henry didn't want divorce he wanted an annualmeant as divorce would mean the marriage was legit
Technically the Church of England is “non-catholic”, so in terms of the Reformation, it’s Protestant.
Henry was still prettymuch Catholic. A book I read on Katherine Howard basically said under Henry, England was basically Catholicism without the pope. The Howards (which Anne Boleyn and Katherine Howard came from) were actually quite papist, with the exception of lining the royal treasury with the church's property (can't think why) and having Henry as the leader (also can't think why). These days Anglicanism, basically the Church of England is quite aligned with Catholicism- with notable exceptions- and differs from the real protestant broadchurches.
Henry did remain a devout catholic his whole life save for refusing to acknowledge the Pope had any supremacy over him.
@@georgeprchal3924 He abolished so many monasteries just to get their land and wealth. People have no idea how many valuable medieval books and art works were destroyed during the reformation.
Another king that came after her killed vast numbers of Protestant dissenters, but we remember him as “The merry monarch.”
so like, where is Marry Queen of Scots, video? oooh and Bonnie Prince Charlie, thanks
I was glad to see an honest assessment of Mary. Also her father and her sister killed many more people. I didn't realise Richard the lion hearted had killed so many.
Everyone uses that nickname for Mary( placed on her by her enemies after her death). Thanks for the honest portrayal.
20:52
I legit thought that was the opening to "Reminiscence" from Suikoden II
@6.51 he says king George the VIII XD i had a little giggle. love your informative videos! thanks
I've always been fascinated with Mary Tudor since John Rogers, the first person executed for "heresy," was an ancestor of mine.
1:03- Catherine was Queen of England, she was a Princess of Aragon. Her name was Catherine of Aragon Queen of England.
1:47- Charles V was Mary’s cousin. He was her mother’s nephew. His mother was Catherine’s older sister Joanna.
6:50- Her father was King Henry VIII. There has never been a King George VIII of England.
Dude, you guys should do a video on Fred and Rosemary West
Great video 👌
Please may I ask when you will be uploading these videos in a podcast format again to Spotify?
Keep up the excellent work 😃
Just finished watching the tudors, glad you covered this video!!
One Congrats on you baby girl Simon, as a Girl dad myself it's a fkn riot raising a human being..have fun!
Great work, fifi x👍🏽
I don't agree with her methods, but part of me does feel quite bad for her. Think about the mental anguish she endured throughout her life..it was a very sad life.
I can’t believe Simon hasn’t done an episode on the Virgin Queen Elizabeth yet. 🤷🏻♂️
I once served a Bloody Mary to a catholic priest. He had no idea of the irony.
Lol
How is it ironic? Either he likes them and requested it, or you did it to be rude.
@@katherinegilks3880 He was a good chap who though it ironic himself. No rudeness intended. Important to find humor in daily life.
@@aaropajari7058 Lol, I would have just thought it apt theb5.
@@katherinegilks3880 ?
Mary Tudor did what she believed was right! Also, she had to demonstrate her 'strength' or in this case faith that she wasn't bluffing. Hence the execution of Dudley.
You should cover William and Mary