The note on Lidar being better at night compared to radar is incorrect. Radar can see just as well at night as it can during the day. Imaging radars are still quite new/rare in automotive which give you a height element to the radar feed, which is still of very low resolution. Radar can also see much better than lidar and cameras in dense fog and snow. Lidar is much better than cameras in low light, which is where he got mixed up. .
No, it's accurate. Lidar (Light Detection and Ranging) emits laser light to measure distances of an object, providing the higher resolution than radar at night.
Radar can see just as well at night, but so can Lidar. The fact that lidar emits light pulses makes it more accurate and superior to radar and cameras at night, whereas in poor weather conditions as you already mentioned radar is the most reliable along with its superior range.
Well, it’s an expensive tech with only a mild improvement over advanced radar. Both need more development to get to the point of being safe and relatable, but either one is 1000x better than camera-only vision.
I had the $500 deposit down for an EX90, then I got a phone call from a Volvo dealership a couple of months ago saying that I need to buy the car now. I told them that I haven't even seen the real car, why would I spend $90K buying the car? The dealership said that, then, they'd cancel my order, so I told them to go ahead and cancel my order. Apparently, they just got a demo car in for a test drive, but I think I'm looking at other EVs now. I'm not a fan of the pressure sales tactic.
Agree, Volvo engineering team being flaky is one thing but their corporate practices and then how they run their dealer network is just too much. I love my current Volvo for what it is but it's going to be my last one because of how the company is run.
Travis thanks for the dcbel reference and referencing an aspect of the company's technology at the end of the post. But there seems to be a lot of misinformation in the comments About what you posted about and their technology in general. And what they have to offer,. Hopefully you can do a post just on the different aspects of their technology. Which is far more than just 25 kW DC home charging. Or just direct DC charging off of PV electrical generation. Plus a few more posts to this channel would get the YT algorithm to send more notifications. Since this post didn't even show up in my daily feed or notifications, so I almost missed it. Good luck keeping the channel alive.
@@EVBuyersGuide Thanks for the response... But is there any chance of getting a more detailed review of what dcbel energy has to offer? If you could it would be appreciated thanks
The 25 kW home charging could be a big deal for some people. For example, full-time Uber drivers already tend to prefer electric due to fuel costs. But they can drive hundreds of miles per day, which means they often have to stop for a fast charge, which often costs as much as gas. 25 kW means they could take a long lunch break and get a 2nd shift out of home charging. Will they pay $90k for this feature? Probably not, but once they start coming out on the used market, then maybe. At the very least, it helps pave the way for others to adopt the same tech, possibly at a lower price.
Commercial/professional is really the only practical use case I see for daily DC charging. It's not a feature I'd pay extra for but as an included part of this system I don't mind it. Travis
One additional value is that if a home AC electrical service is already maxed out.... Solar DC charging can be a more cost effective option .... Then installing it costly new higher capacity AC electrical service But as expression goes, the devil's in the details....In terms of what value it brings?
I don’t see how this 25kW DC is going to work. That’s far far more than most homes need for solar, and most people charge at night when the sun is quite low or set. I don’t quite understand the point of the tech.
That's true, it does. For what it's worth, I wouldn't exactly call the LS Hybrid (the only Lexus that gets LiDAR) a mass produced model in North America with only 107 being sold in the US in 2023. -Travis
The LIDAR is not needed, that is why it has not been turned on yet. XPeng’s latest new model will reportedly dump LiDAR in favor of pure vision, similar to Tesla. RADAR can see in the dark just fine. Waymo is also researching the use of camera only, no LIDAR.; MobileEye is dumping LIDAR as well: The decision to stop work on LiDAR systems "has no bearing on Mobileye's commitment to the development of our in-house imaging radar, which … is expected to enter production next year," the team said. "In terms of Mobileye's internal sensor development, imaging radar is a strategic priority."
I always get amused when T fans regurgitate the human beings don't need radar or lidar..... I want my autonomous vehicle to have better Sensors Then the average human being... Like a bat does...... I personally can't say how many additional sensors or what kind will be the most appropriate mix.... But I'm not comfortable with it being just cameras, for those Edge scenarios....
The note on Lidar being better at night compared to radar is incorrect. Radar can see just as well at night as it can during the day. Imaging radars are still quite new/rare in automotive which give you a height element to the radar feed, which is still of very low resolution. Radar can also see much better than lidar and cameras in dense fog and snow.
Lidar is much better than cameras in low light, which is where he got mixed up. .
No, it's accurate. Lidar (Light Detection and Ranging) emits laser light to measure distances of an object, providing the higher resolution than radar at night.
@ no, I am right. None of what you said conflicts with what I said in my prior comment.
Radar can see just as well at night, but so can Lidar. The fact that lidar emits light pulses makes it more accurate and superior to radar and cameras at night, whereas in poor weather conditions as you already mentioned radar is the most reliable along with its superior range.
Sad to see great technology (lidar) hindered by poor execution and poor corporate leadership
Well, it’s an expensive tech with only a mild improvement over advanced radar. Both need more development to get to the point of being safe and relatable, but either one is 1000x better than camera-only vision.
CEO was hired from a heated coffee mug firm.
lidar like seatbelts... It's not needed most of the time..... But when it is it can be a matter of life and death....
I had the $500 deposit down for an EX90, then I got a phone call from a Volvo dealership a couple of months ago saying that I need to buy the car now. I told them that I haven't even seen the real car, why would I spend $90K buying the car? The dealership said that, then, they'd cancel my order, so I told them to go ahead and cancel my order.
Apparently, they just got a demo car in for a test drive, but I think I'm looking at other EVs now. I'm not a fan of the pressure sales tactic.
Agree, Volvo engineering team being flaky is one thing but their corporate practices and then how they run their dealer network is just too much. I love my current Volvo for what it is but it's going to be my last one because of how the company is run.
Makes no sense - there were no cars to buy at that time.
And oh-so-common story about a dealership negatively influencing a shoppers decision. -Travis
Travis thanks for the dcbel reference and referencing an aspect of the company's technology at the end of the post.
But there seems to be a lot of misinformation in the comments About what you posted about and their technology in general. And what they have to offer,. Hopefully you can do a post just on the different aspects of their technology. Which is far more than just 25 kW DC home charging. Or just direct DC charging off of PV electrical generation.
Plus a few more posts to this channel would get the YT algorithm to send more notifications. Since this post didn't even show up in my daily feed or notifications, so I almost missed it. Good luck keeping the channel alive.
Thanks for the feedback. -Travis
@@EVBuyersGuide Thanks for the response...
But is there any chance of getting a more detailed review of what dcbel energy has to offer?
If you could it would be appreciated thanks
Does it use both LiDAR and camera?
Yes it does! -Travis
The 25 kW home charging could be a big deal for some people.
For example, full-time Uber drivers already tend to prefer electric due to fuel costs. But they can drive hundreds of miles per day, which means they often have to stop for a fast charge, which often costs as much as gas.
25 kW means they could take a long lunch break and get a 2nd shift out of home charging.
Will they pay $90k for this feature? Probably not, but once they start coming out on the used market, then maybe. At the very least, it helps pave the way for others to adopt the same tech, possibly at a lower price.
Commercial/professional is really the only practical use case I see for daily DC charging. It's not a feature I'd pay extra for but as an included part of this system I don't mind it. Travis
One additional value is that if a home AC electrical service is already maxed out.... Solar DC charging can be a more cost effective option .... Then installing it costly new higher capacity AC electrical service
But as expression goes, the devil's in the details....In terms of what value it brings?
Beluga for safety
I don’t see how this 25kW DC is going to work. That’s far far more than most homes need for solar, and most people charge at night when the sun is quite low or set.
I don’t quite understand the point of the tech.
It's not FOR solar but solar can be integrated with it. -Travis
It's definitely used for PV solar and battery storage.... But the 25 KW DC spec is for charging...
I thought Lexus LS has lidar
That's true, it does. For what it's worth, I wouldn't exactly call the LS Hybrid (the only Lexus that gets LiDAR) a mass produced model in North America with only 107 being sold in the US in 2023. -Travis
The LIDAR is not needed, that is why it has not been turned on yet.
XPeng’s latest new model will reportedly dump LiDAR in favor of pure vision, similar to Tesla.
RADAR can see in the dark just fine.
Waymo is also researching the use of camera only, no LIDAR.;
MobileEye is dumping LIDAR as well:
The decision to stop work on LiDAR systems "has no bearing on Mobileye's commitment to the development of our in-house imaging radar, which … is expected to enter production next year," the team said. "In terms of Mobileye's internal sensor development, imaging radar is a strategic priority."
LiDAR Will be required by EU law for level 5 autonomous driving which forces automakers to not drop it fully
Lidar can see through rain, snow, and fog which is better than anything out there.
I always get amused when T fans regurgitate the human beings don't need radar or lidar..... I want my autonomous vehicle to have better Sensors Then the average human being... Like a bat does...... I personally can't say how many additional sensors or what kind will be the most appropriate mix.... But I'm not comfortable with it being just cameras, for those Edge scenarios....
"Waymo is also researching the use of camera only, no LIDAR" only as a backup, to function in a limited fashion
If it's not needed than that's a costly unnecessary extra. -Travis