Rallye Monte Carlo 2022 - Loeb vs Ogier EPIC BATTLE!
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- Опубліковано 22 січ 2022
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You don't have to be French and named Sebastien to be a multiple WRC champion... but it helps.
That Seb guy was definitely the fastest 😂
I agree with you 😂
@@lorenzo_romani_rally_videos which one
@@stefanodeanjou8732 the Sebastian one
@@indonesia_playa Lol! They are both Sebastian that's why I asked
@@stefanodeanjou8732 yes that what i mean that Sebastian is faster
this rally is lengendary
Superb driving by both but no one takes those slow corners like Loeb.
Due piloti straordinari, però Loeb è ancora un gran leone!
Questo è il tipo di video che interessano di più ai veri appassionati. Ottimo lavoro grazie!
Grazie a te!
Due mostri del volante nei rally bravi bravi questo è spettacolo,GRAZIE di esistere.
Rallying is my fav motorsport, always has been and always will be. Big McRae fan then Loeb appeared on the scene and he blew everyone away. The Sebs are class simple as that.
I dont know why ppl keep saying that both Sebs are retired. Ogier has not been away yet. He just finished a championship. Loeb has been the one in and out of the rallying. Plus Loebs last rally was in 2020. Ogiers mind is still fresh in the game. Loeb made no mistakes other than being too careful on the ice sections while Ogier risked it all. Still Ogier made many mistakes that could of ended his rally just to try and dominate a retired guy 9 years older than him. All this taken into consideration Loeb won the rally just by having a stronger more relaxed mind and focus. Incredible win. Used to seeing Ogier do this to other younger drivers.
Loeb won by being Loeb. Ogier drives like Jesus, but Loeb is God.
But they are retired. Which Seb has been away is a different thing. Where do you see the mistakes that could have been rally ending? The footage here doesn't capture Ogier mistakes, and even if it did, it's stupid to judge that from a few clips. Let me also remind you that Ogier was 24,6s ahead of Loeb before the puncture in SS16. It lost him half a minute but still Loeb beat him by only 0,5 on the road. Loeb's drive was indeed insane at this age and after 9 years in retirement from active rallying in WRC and I'm massively impressed but let's be objective. You can't know what was inside Ogier's head so you can only make stuff up. I think it's also worth to take into consideration that with new cars it's a new start for everybody, but it wouldn't take anything away from Loeb.
@@maciejmaciex819 Ogier lost his cool in that rally. He smacked the barrier 2 times early on and had other close calls. Loeb only lost that time because he did not risk on the ice like Ogier did. That front puncture could of gone bad also was very lucky this whole rally. Loeb did not do any mistakes just kept his cool. Ogier was so stressed he made 2 mistakes in the end of the rally. Jumping the start and cutting too much. Not really a retirement for Ogier yet as he just came fresh from a full season. That only 0.5 came from Loeb not pushing anymore in the end. Its obvious that Loeb knew he jumped infront and got the penalty.
Interesting. It appears on this video that Ogier is much more aggressive at the exit of the corners and has a much more strict accelerator setup or shorter gears. Loeb instead is much smoother on the exists. Visually on these parts of the track, Ogier looks faster for me, but smoothness may give an advantage on other sections and on the slippery exits ...
@blacknester Loeb was struggling with tires. it's tires were totally done...
same feeling for me !
@blacknester I have a feeling that Loeb knew that Ogier jumped the start that is why he took it so slow in the last stage. He was next in line for the start to see it happen.
Toyota "exit - corner" performance suggest it is better car, but we could argue about drivers.
"Slow is smooth, smooth is fast."
Thank you so much for enduring chilly Monaco to bring these legends up close and personal to someone who hasn't a snowball's chance in hell of going to see these rallies in person. \o/
Loeb it’s the greatest of all time
They are in a class of their own...
That hybrid boost out of slower corners is absolutely insane - they must be pulling like more than 1G in acceleration
Che meraviglia! Speriamo di vedere altre battaglie come questa!
Davvero spettacolare 🔥 speriamo di vederne ancora!
Fantastico !!!!!
Que c’est propre!!!!!
Des fusées !! Merci pour les images !
I really wish Loeb race more rally this season.😔
Me too, it would be nice to see many races like this!
great video Lorenzo! Thanks
Thank you! 👍🏻
Two seb,,,
Two legend,,
#WRCikon,,
I like how the two are battling together to see who's the best out of the two!
WRC Guru come back... Grand Master!
full season each please, we want the battle of the titans
2 legends of wrc driving!
Is it just me or does this most recent iteration of WRC cars look significantly faster than any rally cars before...
They should technically be slower. But they have a lot more go power out of the corners with the 130hp (or kw don't remember) of extra power with the hybrid.
But they also have less downforce than last season so they won't be as fast in other areas. But in these condition with Monaco type snow tires and ice they probably have an advantage over last season
Grazie bel duetto
2 campionissimi
👌🏻👍🏻
Loeb, sin duda es más arriesgado, va al límite, en Guanajuato México dejó constancia de ello.
Ogier tuvo un gran maestro sin duda alguna. 😎
A tale of ....well, two Sebastians🔥🔥🔥
Les dieux du rallye 🇫🇷 Ces hommes son du autre planète
Loro due sono di un altro livello!
Grazie Lorenzo del video... Appena iscritto
Grazie a te! Mi fa molto piacere 😉
Nice😀😍
Genial vídeo!
Muchas gracias!
Fantastico, anche se non concepisco come si possa guidare così, bravi e basta!
what is cracking? blown diffuser?
@Lorenzo, big thanks for these "side by side" highlights. These two legends are a class above everyone else and are well-matched. But to me, Loeb seems to have more attack and, except for the moment at 04:07 where it was more slidy, the Puma seems to be better settled and hunched on the road than the Yaris. But I confess that I am much more partial to Loeb!
Thanks to you for the comment!
@blacknester Frankly, while my fan support goes to Loeb, I fundamentally recognize that Ogier had done everything to win this one handily. Even with the loss of time from the puncture in the penultimate SS, he was still pretty much on par with Loeb going into the final stage and although Loeb posted a faster time there than him, could still have won the race. Elsewhere, I have pondered the idea of a rule which would allow each finishing driver to drop a worst stage time in determining final positions. While there are evident potential unfairness and disadvantages with such a rule, something to equalize the other unfairness and disadvantages such as Ogier must feel should surely also be considered.
@Satanic Panic Fun and Games although the Puma is evidently taller and wider than its predecessor the Fiesta, I thought it was developed on the latter's platform? But is it any more gigantic or disadvantaged because of size than, say, the Hundyai i20? And, with a 1-3-5 finish in the Monte Carlo, it certainly did not do badly for itself at all. So, I will be interested to hear more of the concerns that you have for the car, not only for itself but also as compared with, say, the Yaris.
@blacknester A result is what it is at the end of the event, all the incidents, tyre punctures, errors, bad luck etc taken into account. "Ifs" cannot be taken into account for only one driver or team and not the other or others. In comparison to the "if" that you say about Evans, it could just as easily be said that if Loeb had made different tyre choices on the second day of the event, he would have continued to pull ahead of Ogier and all the others and would not have fallen behind. If Evans could have finished second if he had not gone off the road, why wouldn't Adrien Fourmaux have won the rally if he had not shunted on the first day? If Rovanpera or Solberg did not have their respective incidents, where would they have finished? As you can see, in the end it becomes a meaningless exercise of speculation. Most of all, however, I am puzzled by your reckoning that Loeb got up to speed off the bat in the Monte Carlo; the others did not yet do so or have not yet done so; but that they will do so in the races to come; while, somehow Loeb would remain stagnant and would be surpassed. It is not clear to me on what grounds and evidence this prognosis is based.
Video bellissimo!!!
10000! iscritti, vedo ora! complimenti per il vostro grande risultato!
Grazie mille Gabriele! Finalmente ci siamo arrivati!
@1:56: 110% perfekt.
Yaya!
Bello!!! 🚗♨️👍🏽
Grazie! 👍🏻
Legend vs Legend
Muy buena comparación...parece que ambos iban calcando movimientos.....me da la impresión de que Loeb estaba un poquito más agresivo.
Me vi toda la carrera. Lo que vi fue que Loeb fue muy rápido cuando el pavimento estaba seco. Loeb gano 6 etapas. Ogier era mas agresivo en las etapas donde había nieve con hielo. Loeb las pasaba muy despacio y por esa razón Ogier le aumento 21 segundos. Pero cuando corrían los 2 en etapas secas Loeb corrió igual o un poquito más rápido que Ogier. La victoria se la merecía Ogier pero se le poncho una llanta y por eso perdio. Loeb me impresionó mucho como corrió en las etapas secas donde no había hielo. Felicitaciones maestro, a Ford y a Msport 😀😀
Gracias! 🙏
That Puma sounds so good :D
👍🏻👍🏻🔝
how to be good in motorsport:
1) be named Sebastien/Sebastian (loeb, ogier, vettel, buemi)
2) ...
3) profit
If to compare, Ogier has the very clean and accurate line, Loeb has more power and attack.
I think that the cameraman is the fastet. He is in the right place at the right time.
Loeb just looked WAY faster
Ogier était plus rapide et précis, ce qui est un peu normal vu qu'il sortait d'une saison complète. Pas de chance pour la crevaison. Respect pour Loeb en tout cas. Il a tenu le rythme et a humilié tout les autres qui se retrouvent à plus d'une minute.
@Jal de Bucha c'est une évidence en 20ans de rallye, 17 titres eux deux... et les miettes pour les autres
Is the Ford longer than the Toyota?
Très interessant ce comparatif. Sur les passages où je me trouvais, Ogier passait plus vite que Loeb à chaque fois. Loeb freinait avant et plus longtemps. Un beau duel au sommet, la ford est un avion 😱😁
Oui ne sais pas si loeb est plus raisonnable sur le freinage et/ou l'accélération, la ford marche ford mais je trouve que la yaris marche un tout petit peu plus ford sur la relance des gaz à moins que l'un accélère plus franchement que l'autre
@@RYves-dd4ky "fort" = force, "Ford" = marque automobile
@@mehdilasso1456 yes, dans l'action j'ai écrit ford😉
On voit bien qu'Ogier est bien plus rapide, partout, sauf que les dieux du WRC n'étaient pas avec lui à 2 étapes de l'arrivée. Tout comme en Wec au Mans 2018.
Not bad for a pair of part-timers.
I am the only one who thinks the Anti Lag system sound like an A-10 Warthog? 😁😁
The turn look pretty good for the yaris due to light weight
REAR door side vents? are for cooling the diff or cabin ? or ?
To cool the hybrid system
Loeb is de beste👍😃
Ogièr and Toyota will definetly win the world rally championship
Le choc des titans
Veo a Loeb mas agresivo entrando en curva y veo mas agresivo a Ogier saliendo de curva, usando el shortshift.
To defeat the T Yaris is not a easy challenge a legend car with a legend
Ogier m'a semblé plus précis. Mais j'ai toujours trouvé Loeb plus sympathique même si les 2 Seb se comportent souvent en princesse!
C'est une insulte ou un compliment le fait qu'ils se comportent en princesse ?😂
Ils doivent être les 2 un peu timides en vrai
Loeb sei il nr. 1, bravo
Seb is definetly one of the pilots over there.
I really dont understand people complaining about the sound of those cars...
Тойота по симпотичнее)
I guess it makes sense from a marketing perspective, and these two are total legends, but is there really a lack of young talent?
It will be difficult to find talents like these two, but i think it's right to focus on young talents as well
@21, I agree with your sentiment that the narrative that has been built around the two Seb "old men" given their performance in the Monte Carlo rally might give the impression that there are no young talents. But, there is no doubting the brilliance of the likes of Rovanpera and Solberg, both still only 21/20. Moreover, none of the other regulars is any kind of slouch and are all still quite young, with Greensmith, Fourmaux and Takamoto in their 20s and Breen, Mikkelsen, Neuville and Tanak in only their early 30s (Dani Sordo is I think close to 40?). So, I believe that fans of the sport can be confident that it is safe in very talented hands. And while I admit that I have been very excited this last weekend by the return of Loeb and his battle with his namesake, I do not support the notion that they should be reappear in the sport as its mainstay. It is the time of the youngsters and regulars who I have no doubt will no doubt grow even stronger than what we are seeing from them already.
The thing is, that we had cars that drove better for the last 5 years, where we had a switch of generations. And those new guys have developed a driving style for those cars. I think Kalle showed his adaptation process perfectly where he was so slow on friday and by sunday he was faster than Loeb.
TOYOTA-OGIER POWER
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😉👍🏻
Due fenomeni, loed ancor più perché mentre ogier arriva da una stagione intera loeb ha fatto solo qualche gara, se i due quest'anno corressero tutta la stagione per gli altri non ci sarebbe niente, dovrebbero vergognarsi che due vecchietti li bastonano cosi
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No van muy rápido al principio jiji déjame el coche ogier me marcó unos tiempos
what kind of ford is that?
Ford Puma (Rally 1 hybrid)
Looks like the puma is more developed, or is just the pilot
It seems that Ford is very competitive this year..
The real deal shows the imitation tribute act how its done. Ogier will NEVER, EVER, EVER be anywhere the level of utter god tier that Loeb is. In this video you can literally see how much faster and more controled Loeb is. The only reason Loeb doesnt compete full time anymore is because if he did he would embarrass everyone even now. Sebastian Loeb is the greatest driver the WRC will ever see. FACT.
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What Loeb did in Monte Carlo this year is the equivalent of Alain Prost coming out of a 10 year retirement age 47 (precisely the same) and beaten Michael Schumacher in a one-off race in 2004. No difference at all. Except, it would have been extremelly improbable for Prost to pull that off. But Loeb just did that. If there was any doubt as to whom is the GoAT, Loeb erased it just now.
0:49 That Toyota sounds and looks like an angry Tiger
You can clearly see Loeb taking the tighter lines. It made all the difference
Ogier was 20 seconds ahead of Loeb until a puncture and a jumpstart penalty took that back to zero, I'd say that (plus a great late drive from Loeb) made the difference
So i really dont like Ogier, and I am realky happy wirh the win of Loeb , i think yes, Ogier had bad weekend, lot of mistakes you rsrelly see from him, but also Loeb was hunting him...was way more agressive, so...i really think great job by loeb and Galmiche, and fuck...the M1 Ford puma looks so competitive if not superb to Toyota and Hyundai
Let's be real here. If it wasn't for the puncture, Loeb most probably wouldn't have won. But it still takes much to stay consistent and concentrated during the whole event and Ogier wasn't able to do so (jump start for example) whereas Loeb was.
@@Rudbert67 even with the puncture he could have won, he was about 9 seconds down on Loeb before the power stage and gained back those 9 seconds. If it wasn't for the jump-start he maybe would have won (I don't have the precise times in my head, maybe he would still loose by 0.5 sec)
@@gontran8638 agree. But as I said, ultimately it's loeb consistency that won this day. The jump start was the final killing blow
yall probably wont believe me but i actualy drove with sebastian loeb this day, the dude is so nice tbh, and we rode together between the races
If the old man shows up !!! Go Seb go !!!
loeb beats ogier 20 of 10 times man. he is the goat no question asked.
PD: im fron argentine and i saw them run many times. i saw loeb against the greatest but he is the goat. i love finland drivers, and a saw mcrae at hist top. but loeb its just amazing
Loeb against the greates ??? The greates Who ?? Galli ?? Wilson ?? Duval ?? rautembak ?? villagra ??? Hirvonen ?? PG Anderson ?? Put Loeb in the 90's against the real greates like makinen kankkunen burns mcrae Sainz Auriol when they were on top.. 9 titles I DONT THINK
@@lovetherally4518 its hard to compare but i really think hes the goat man. i saw them all and the only one in his generation dominant is Loeb. no doubt about . idk loeb in group B, but he never run it and we never know.
I ask u you really thik that someo one 1 v1 in the same car could defeat that man today in a rally car?
@@lovetherally4518 also he defeat many of tose u name whe he was a rooky. i dont cace about loeb. but you talk abut him as a nobody and if you dont recalla him as one of the greastest you simple dont deserve the name you pu on your tag...
@@lovetherally4518 he would smash them. They had a technique that was very spectacular and slidy, and it's proven that a cleaner and '' flatter'' driving is faster. If you bring them back now, everyone at their prime in equal cars, Loeb and Ogier would win because they have the best/fastest technique. Now if the old legends adapt their driving maybe...
@@gontran8638 cleaner driving style with cars full of elettronic help paddle shift ecc.. tommi makinen with the Subaru paddle shift was not able to be fast and same McRae with Citroen.. the cleaner driving style of Loeb for sure Is not Good without elettronic help.. and anyway its a fact Loeb drive Always against mediocre driver.. I prefer 1 Championship of McRae against kankkunen, Sainz, Auriol makinen ecc that 9 titles of Loeb against vilagra duval Wilson ecc..... I see all these in Sanremo rally and Loeb Is not the fastest driver. In the wtcc and rally cross he dont win nothing..
The old dog still has a lot of life left.
With hind sight the way loeb handled the dodgy puma no doubt he is the better driver especially that ogier is driving the reliable yaris
Immagine wheel to wheel racing in wrc like in F1
Toyota sound ♨️
I think Ogier has less slide on the exits
2003 - 2022, 20 years of WRC, 17 titles for a French Sebastien...
Au dessus du lot les 2 ,mais le patron à fait parler la poudre à 47ans🤣
Loeb Loeb ❤❤❤😍😍😍
Loeb es el diosss!!
They should just call these things Group B.
Huh i dont have to slide around every corner cool
I am from F1 world. Who is who? Loeb is driving which car?
Ok 👍🏻 Loeb is driving the purple Ford Puma
Great comparison! Loeb looks a bit awkward, like trying to tame the heavy muscle car.
Thanks!!
Loeb a un passo avanti
Вери гуд
Thank you!
Maybe Loeb is better than Ogier BUT the Yaris sounds better
車両の特性の差なのか、ドライビングの癖の違いなのか。挙動の違いがよく分かりますね。
自称先進国ｗの某車両が映っていない点も高評価。
I miss the 80's and 90' s. They look a little scared on the snow 😬
it's all about tyres.
Ogier é ogier mas loeb sera sempre loeb