Imagine if the Falcon defeated Thanos in infinity war and in the end credits we see a council of Thanos's and everyone says "It's okay, there are an infinite number of Thanos so this death doesn't matter and doesn't make the villain less impactful"
But there’s infinite everybody. It’s the multiverse. The kang we saw was supposed to be the most powerful one which is why he was exiled. So the power level just goes down from here
Yeah, it's really lame. They completely fumbled the intro to Kang. Now I know that the strongest iteration of him sucks and gets whupped by Ant Man. zzzzzzzzz Seriously why not have him wipe the Ant Family out? It's not like we need to see any more of these characters, there's clearly nothing interesting left to do with this franchise. Kang should've killed at least a few of them. The fact that Ant Man gets out of his encounter with Kang completely unscathed, without losing ANYTHING, is so ridiculous. Like just kill someone! Wasp was barely even in this movie, why are we so desperately clinging onto the character? So she can barely be in the next movie too? I knew it would be a non-starter, too. Everyone was losing their minds at the trailer, freaking out about how dark and epic the movie looked, and I'm like.... naw guys, it's gonna be the same marvel shlock. Nothing interesting is allowed to happen in this movie, because it has to set up for the ACTUAL interesting movie.
@@Rai-on until it doesn't because the latest barely literate rick and morty castoff hired to write a movie decides his villain needs to be the coolest ever so decides 'nah fam' and just ignores that point you just raised...
@@waterdroplet369 Context. This is a Human who has been imprisoned without his greatest weapons. No Time Travel. No Rings. No Bangle. Chair Broke. The Ant-fam is really underrated. What happened to Ant-man can solo Thanos?
@@LANDBACKbyANYmeans that was only if he could jump into Thanos' bunghole and then grow again but it was debunked since Thanos' flesh in that part was theorized to be just as strong therefore he would crush Antman betwix his buttocks.
@@leecherboy okay dude you wanna get technical? Squirrel girl solo'd everyone in a certain universe, she's busted (somehow) but everyone is always killing everyone else in __________ kills the Marvel Universe One shots
I love how Kang completely dominates the heroes for the whole movie, literally stopping them from moving Then suddently stops doing that when it's time to fight😂 After having watched his army getting decimated and his ship destroyed while doing nothing😂
Can I be honest? That four second clip of MODOK saying he doesn't know what to be and asking what he should be [only to be waved away] really hurt me. It almost feels meta in the way that they obviously had no idea what to actually do with MODOK and bringing Darren back as MODOK in the quantum realm could have worked well but they fumbled it. It's sad, especially with that weird uncertain smile on his face. Watching this series die strictly due to bad writing really hit me in the fan balls.
_"...the real threat to film review UA-cam isn't that we run out of terrible films to cover, but rather that all the terrible films are terrible in _*_exactly_*_ the same ways..."_ This has been a growing concern of mine as well. I find LittlePlatoon and their ilk highly entertaining... though repetition is growing increasingly grating. Apparently there are some forms of rage that _can't_ be stoked indefinitely. Oh to dream of a unique, original franchise unburdened by decades of hastily scribbled lore.
Took a break/unsubbed many over "Velma" I'm sure "social media engagement/impressions" help these shows continue to exist Is there a better joke than "M-She-U" yet? Drinker still saying "The message"?
@@darrengordon-hill Pahahaha, yeah, you know it's gotten bad when I don't even watch their reviews anymore, just because 30 seconds in I can already tell they didn't like the new thing and it's gonna be the same laundry list of issues.
@Draco9158 Fo real!! Like... if I watch the Velma stuff to "support the channel", I'm just left with anger and useless (character/plot) info. Pretty sure there's LOTS of "crap" out there (given all the shows they DON'T discuss) - to quote Abed: "I guess I just like liking things"
Well...we can still hold out hopes for a Snowflake and SafeSpace movie. I can't tell whether I'm being ironic or not. Very yes, but also very no. I would love to see a dumpster fire of such epic proportions.
Quantumania really should have been a tense movie where our heroes battled against a more terrifying/intriguing Modok. Once Modok is defeated our heroes are hit in the face with the introduction of Kang. (who was never known by anyone even Janet. Also, think of Darth Vader and Palpatine.) Kang easily defeats our heroes. Kang Brutally kills Janet and Hank. Scott, Hope, and Cassandra barely escape with horrified/Saddened looks on their faces. And throughout the Marvel films, we see post-credits scenes of Kang killing multiverse versions of Marvel heroes to slowly gain pieces of "something" to control the multiverse. Also another suggestion Have Kang kill Cassandra I know it's gnarly but wouldn't you say it would make Kang instantly memorable as the first Marvel villain who killed a child on screen in full display as her loved ones watched?
Can't kill Cassie as she's either replacing Scott and/or joining the Young Avengers. But I agree with everything else. They should've made this a lower stakes movie with MODOK (could've kept everything the same, but never revealing Kang until the end). Tying Janet to Kang just makes this worse because they literally recently returned from Thanos' snap. Kang is MULTIVERSAL & from the future so he's clearly an imminent threat. The fact that she saw his memories & said absolutely nothing is just horrible writing.
STILL NOT "on our behalf". We ARE NOT obligated to watch this trash. "God's work" would be creating original content. "Don't feed the trolls... feed the Hollywood troll" Weird...
Yes! It's terrible CGI!! Its just his face stretched out, not even the cool scars or bliack liner or anything. Compare him to Marvel's own "Earth Mightiest Heros" or even they own damn comics!! MODOK deserves so much more than a claymation comedy and bad CGI. He's Hydra equal!
The movie should have been more grounded. They can't have Scott be the one to deal with the next Thanos-level threat, or they have to make that threat pathetic so they can win. It could have just been about Scott reconnecting with his now grown daughter while dealing with something street level, like someone having stolen the pym technology and using it for crime
If there are infinite Kangs why should I care about every single one of them. Literally feels like the only way they thought of upping thanos is just by making a very large number of him...
Yup. There’s a similar point in my main video script. It’s Thanos, but this time it’s completely incomprehensible and meaningless because multiverses and timelines spiral out infinitely.
Well, that's part of the problem. You don't _need_ to raise the stakes; you're telling a different story now. You need to raise the challenge, to show that your heroes have grown, but the stakes? Nah. You have to have stakes, but they need to be ones that the heroes and the audience can relate to. Inasmuch as the stakes are 'the end of the MCU!' it's not Kang that's going to end it; it's a series of shitty movies, so threatening that Kang is going to conquer the multiverse is an empty threat to the audience, because we _know_ you're planning to sell more movies with the franchise.
My problem with this phase is the reliance on the multiverse concept. It's a hard concept to nail, better used for wacky stories of limited scope than epic battles. And in his MCU form... it's boring. So damn boring.
@@orbboom6119 The original plan was to have M.O.D.O.K as the antagonist in this movie. Unfortunately, they were in too much of a hurry to introduce Kang.
@@ChrisSmith-tu9bu It reminded me a lot of the Micronauts comic where they encounter Psycho-Man. Just with the Micronauts replaced by the Ant Family and Kang instead of Psycho-Man.
@@ChapMeifan True..this was legitimately a Fantastic Four script initially...Ane became sorg of an audition reel for Peyton Reed who really wanted to make fantastic four movies...thay being said it didn't need to be remade into this but apparently thats how the sausage gets made sometimes, unfortunately...its pretty artistically bankrupt when they try and fit an old script into a new framework that doesn't exactly fit
the downfall of the mcu is bittersweet. It's always time to move on at some point but going to see these movies was a tradition for me and my friends during my teenage years. It is what it is
@@DefinitelyNotEmma Screw those movies we need more movies like inception and Everything Everywhere All At Once.... TBH Id pick Tenet a thousand times over anything in phase Four
@Gadfog My biggest issue it their introduction of the sacred timeline and the idea that free will did not exist as it would've gone against the bureau. Plus the female Loki was annoying and definitely too Mary Sue-ish for my liking. Loki was treated as an after thought in his own series. I could go on for a bit honestly
Man, Stoll needs to fire his agent, how did he go from House of Cards and the Strain to this? At least in Ant Man he was given a bland character, but his dignity remained intact.
I like the more stoic/reserved v-tuber model/movement... I'm still fine with static, but yeah, this works! Also kudos for editing, specially about the Tekken Kang
@@LostChord It was a little funky in previous videos with more drastic motion, having it move slower and more deliberately makes the animation a lot smoother. Hope it's successful going forward!
You know I like to write scripts. I am no Shakespeare or Tolkien. But I think Jan having her memories altered of what she experienced in the Quantum realm is a decent explanation as to why she never mentioned him.
@@ggt47 That's the sad reality now, isn't it. Any number of average Janes and Joes can come up with more creative and passionate stories than people who got specialized training and are paid millions for every project.
Yea, maybe Janet could have had her memories altered to think that Kang is a benevolent savior of the Quantum Realm. But as the film carries on, it would slowly be revealed that Kang is actually a Conquerer!
The ants developed a Type II civilization, i.e., one capable of harnessing the entire energy output of a star via a Dyson sphere or similar technology. I can't get over how stupid that line was. Then immediately following that stupidity with the "Socialism Yay!" comment.
Ant Man 4, the ants themselves break out of the quantum realm and colonise the multiverse, creating a United Soviet Socialist Everything Everywhere All at Once. (You’re right, it’s dumb as hell. If Hank can hop in and out of the quantum realm, he has access to the technologies of a Type II civilisation, which should completely transform our world. Which means it almost certainly never gets mentioned again.)
I disagree. The Marvel MCU, with its current regurgitation with woke messaging, is doomed to failure. Superhero films, when done well, are like superhero comics with plenty good stories left untold.
I think burnout is caused by so many bad super hero movies. If the quality is at least consistently okay, many people will still have fun watching future entries.
This has nothing to do with fatigue. M-She-U after Endgame went head first into representation n ideological messaging n ignored all the ingredients that made them who they had become Deconstructing n shaming all the male white heros just because of their gender n race n their female replacement being so unrelatable cuz of how flawless they are. You see this over n over again and you're fed up with it all. You realize these guys have no interest in entertaining you anymore And that's where the fatigue is coming from. Enough with the political messaging. Make Marvel Great Again
I liked this movie the first time watching it. The twists and jokes were actually funny kinda. My second time watching, I was bored and fell asleep because, well, I knew all the twists, and it wasn't impactful. There are plenty of twists in Phases 1-3, but they are still re-watchable to this day.
@@LostChord Preach, etc. I do compare it to the previous two Avengers being given to the chaps who had proved themselves with all three Captain America films (and two of the Narnia films, which is a nice thing for me personally) Now you need to write some Rick & Morty
I'll just go back to my little corner and cry. Kang as an antagonist has so much potential. Still had hope they would utilize the amazing talent they have in Jonathan Majors. But reading that those are the writers that are supposed to make that happen .. well, I'll be in my corner 😭
Everything Dinsey touches these days can be summed up in one sentance: "somehow, Palpatine returned" No explanation, other than it's the stupidest explanation.
The time dilation rules they setup for this series was completely broken in this movie. I couldn't stop thinking about it as I was watching it. It made no sense.
When Ant Fam was trying to get Ant Mom out of the Quantum Realm in the last movie, why didn’t Kang latch on to that? There was certainly more than enough time and exposure for him to discover the two-way signal.
Cuz the writers are just making it up as the go along Marvel could have taken a 3 to 4 year break after Endgame and really planned for the next 10 years of movies n an over arching story but no, more random content for Disney+ who has lost 2.4million subscribers in the past few months alone Brave strategy marvel
1. If Kang brought them down, why didn't he bring them into someplace he knew, like a prison cell or a field surrounded by his army? 2. How did he know they were there to try to bring them down? 3. If Kang can rewind time why didn't he rewind to before Janet screwed up his device and stop her or pause time to keep her from doing it in the first place
Council of Kang's? So Kang is now just Rick Sanchez? Triple A studio now thinks parroting Rick and Morty is a good idea. Can hear it now, "Well, all the young people seem to like it."
Their misunderstanding of kangs character is astounding. Kang is the one and only kang in all the multiverse. His job is to literally prune universes from the multiverse stem. Any other kangs are just normal humans or other beings who have absolutely nothing to do with time or the management of the multiverse. The only other entity that is similar to kang is immortus and that’s because they are literally the same person but in two different bodies. Also, why tf is he black? He’s supposed to be a relative of Reed Richards of the fantastic 4 who is probably the whitest dude alive. Edit: kang also already had access to our world and any other universes he wishes to go to, which makes the plot irrelevant
I saw a video and there's a theory that kang, this kang from quantumania is gonna the beyonder, but I don't know who is the beyonder is,I website it and I was shocked, that he's like the most powerful character in marvel comics. Kang and beyonder are like different characters. Marvel stans really love that idea to be in future avengers movies. Keep on saying "the avengers are doom, the avengers can't never win " my mind is like they can win , it's called franchise. Also who are the avengers, right now? I know this a theory or rumor ,if it's true in future Marvel movies. It's just make it more boring and lame, because I don't care about mcu no more, because of phase 4 and Antman 3 is dogshit. I know that fact that Disney/Marvel is gonna to butchered the beyonder in the mcu.
I have to say, I went to this movie with a date and was not impressed... Although I will say, when Kang threatens Scott with Cassie's life, I thought that made him pretty threatening... HOWEVER, they had to fuck it up by making him omega cringe at the end. The make up for Kang was really a strange choice since they were making the movie dark, so he looks like hes crying all the time. I dont mind if he cries to be honest, but if he's crying as hes killing people it couldve made him cooler, like for example if he was like 'why does everyone insist on trying to stop me, it never works.' maybe wouldve added some depth ANYWAY I think if they let Paul Rudd take a bit more control in his own movie it wouldve been better. Paul Rudd is just a funny guy in general but of course they have to shit on him for saving the universe which really turned me off on the movie. There is a silver lining! My date went great because of how much fun it was to make jokes about the movie which made my date laugh and secured the bag for a second date! By the way, do you think this movie would've been better if they let Paul Rudd take more control? I think the Baskin Robbins Scott was funny lol EDIT: I'm not talking about M.O.D.O.K because I havent read the comics of him and im convinced he was just a big joke for the movie to pull desperate laughs from the audience. While I admit I DID laugh at his first appearance, the joke quickly became old, however the last part where he runs in screaming 'I'm not a dick' is funny, which i dont think the movie was trying to give off? He basically sacrifices himself and they made a huge joke out of his entire existence which is really a shame, i dont think they should be making fun of anyone who helped especially not someone who helped them save the day in exchange for his life.
The MODOK problem, besides the dodgy effects, is it yanks the tone all over the place. His first appearance is immediately after the gunning down of innocent cutesy aliens en masse, which we can’t take seriously because he’s there. His death scene jumps from tragedy to comedy every other second. We’ve learned of the fight to save the multiverse, but in case we take that seriously, up he pops for the “don’t be a dick” skit. The effect is really to constrain the film’s emotional range, because you’re never more than a couple of minutes away from MODOK bringing the tone down again.
@@LostChord but why though, I don't understand the thought process. Even if MODOK looks goofy, it would only be a first time problem if they made him an actually serious character. Is it impossible to make something goofy genuinely terrifying and somber? I will never understand the need to make him a big huge joke, it just doesn't make sense from ANY perspective... unless they were trying to shift the tone all over the place. Like in a 'we tell you how you feel' type of way?
I think Paul Rudd actually wanted M.O.D.O.K. to be this film's antagonist, when they first started working on it. So, it kind of ties into Paul Rudd having more control. Really unfortunate they didn't go with it, as it would have made for a more cohesive movie. Kang the Conqueror kind of needs his own movie, to be able to introduce him and flesh out his character better. Especially, since there are other versions of Kang that play a role. And his existence across the multiverse is still a very unfamiliar concept to the audience. I hope they don't waste Jonathan Majors potential, because he definitely has the skill to make Kang the Conqueror into an absolutely menacing, "pee in your pants" villain :)
@@mejuliie Yeah! I mean dude, you can see that it could've gone either way! I really enjoyed Kang threatening Scott with Cassie, however his emotions don't make sense to me. I would've preferred someone who showed no emotion at all, than someone who cried when his engine broke... I mean if youre gonna have a villain who has killed god knows how many people, conquered god knows how many universes, how can he still be emotional. In the comics, the only time (personally) I've seen Kang cry is during the one where he's looping through his life I forgot the name... Basically he goes to his younger self to teach him and cries about a woman but you find out that his younger self is the same him that is teaching him so he's like looping and crying about a woman... wow thats off topic! What im trying to say is, I like when my villains are taken seriously and not a joke. I really want to see Kang become a Thanos like individual where you're nervous when he comes on screen cus you know that hes dangerous but the character doesnt or the heroes are in danger. If he kills a few main heroes then so be it! It would be much better than he never kills anybody with a name but 'omg hes so scawy uwu' yk? Thanos was more logical terror, showing what a being of pure logic and reason could achieve when focused on a single purpose without any emotional views, but what is Kang? I hope they change what he was in the comics which is basically, I conquer because I can. It would be fresh to see a different perspective, something to make us seriously think whether he is right while also scaring us with what our conclusions might be rather than mindlessly watch sludge flow on screen and go 'hurhur funny man make joke' if that makes sense lol sry it was so long i derail off topic most of the time...
This is why Everything Everywhere All At Once did it beautifully. The WHOLE multiverse was at stake. And some universes were outside the regular area of mapping, but they were also at stake. And protagonist & antagonist were perfectly balanced against one another, in terms of philosophies. And the way the story was so big, but focused on the small things....all I'm saying is that MCU needs to watch EEAAO and take a cue or 10
I've got a question for Kevin Feige. If time doesn't exist in the quantum realm, how in front flipping fuck did Michelle Pfeiffer(couldn't care less about her character's name) age. It seems the only thing consistent about the current MCU is that it's consistently inconsistent.
And why did everyone down there age at the same time? Why had time progressed down there by the time they went back? It seems to operate by the same time as our world. Which is odd, as I faintly remember the previous film’s ticking clock mechanic being “if you don’t get me out in 2 hours you’ll have missed me by a hundred years.”
Does anyone else question why Kang, with his apparently god-like powers needs ant man to shrink down to get the core? He can't go get it himself? Also how he conveniently stops using almost all of his powers to battle them in the final showdown? Just me? Ok
"apparently god-like powers" "He can't go get it himself?" No. Would not be much of a prison if he could get out. "Just me?" No. Lots of people are not able to retain information. His "Powers" were damaged by the Ants.
I'm gonna need you to get all the way off my back about these logical Kang questions And remember the actor is black so any criticism about his character might n will be seen as racism from toxic fans. I just feel it's coming
Honestly I can answer that first question; Kang couldn't survive the probability storm because hes so warlike hed just fight any alternative versions of himself...so he needed Scott...a better question is if hes a geniuses from the very far flumg future couldnt he just steal Scotts suit off of his corpse and send in a robot of some sort in Scotts suit
@@josephbassey1501 Why do you even feel the need to bring this up? You're the one introducing it as an issue. I think it's safe to say that the majority of people will agree that Jonathan Majors performance isn't the issue, but the writing is.
After all the mismanagement of the mcu it kinda feels like fans have gone through the five steps of grief over the years. I'm at the point of acceptance now and simply do not expect anything any more from the films 😅
Well honestly Im the biggest critic of this current iteration of the MCU BUT Feige DID say theyre pushing all their release dates back now in an attempt to make better films... supposedly hes gonne get more involved and be more heavy handy in his quality control...now wether it helps is debatable but money talks and if their profits are faltering they'll at least TRY and adjust
We need a great parody/satire film that parodies all the tired tropes of the genre and forces the studios to make smarter films. Ever seen Blazing Saddles? The parody that killed Westerns on TV .
I feel something tidy is not being said it's that every single marvel product is all about saving the world, which says a lot about our world today in how people are so focused on saving the world nobody thinks about just making their communities a better place
The only way you could enjoy marvel films these days is to view it as an stand alone, generic, dumb adventure movies. The ones that you watch because there's nothing else to do, to laugh (or cringe) at its comedic moments, and then forget all about it the moment you leave the theater. So basically they've become just another mediocre superhero films.
I swear when I saw the main bad guy of this movie I wish someone had recorded it I burst out laughing, struggling to breathe and regain my composure And the real kicker? That's not supposed to be the reaction to the villain
Ant Man and the Wasp: Quantumania is replete with a multitude of excellent actors; Douglas, Rudd, Lilly, Pfeiffer, Majors, etc. Unfortunately this film is an absolute waste of their talents; unfortunately it didn't need to be so.
Turns out this movie is absolutely BOMBING at the box office. Currently estimated to have one of the highest second weekend drops of any super hero film. Overseas numbers are on life support. Would love to hear your thoughts on this in the review. Not too late to make edits? Phase 5 not looking good. Looking forward to the full vid
I said this years ago but... MODOK should NEVER be adapted into live action. He's a pretty silly character even for a cartoon and his appearance in this movie is actually even WORSE than I had anticipated. Not only is just the image of a live action MODOK just as horrifying as I had imagined but they also completely changed his origin and characterization from the comics. So first of all, Darren Cross is not even a character who even exists in the comics and he has now taken over the super villain alias of two other Marvel characters. Yellow Jacket is actually suppose to be Hank Pym which given movie Hank Pym isn't likely to turn into a super villain like his comic book counterpart using that mantle for a different character actually makes sense. MODOK however is actually a character named George Tarleton who was born with a deformity giving him that iconic appearance but is also a super genius and the robotic elements were created for him with the help of A.I.M., the science division for Hydra. The fact this MODOK started off as a regular human and just some how became this thing, doesn't have his super intelligence or his connection to AIM, why is MODOK even in this movie? Even if they actually adapted MODOK accurately to how he was in the comics the fact that he's just a giant head with tiny little arms and legs meant that this was always going to translate badly in live action so the one thing they SHOULD have changed for the movie version is the part they got right and the things that didn't need to be changed in the first place they changed for no reason what so ever? If you're going to do a live action MODOK which you really shouldn't, that character should never exist, but if you want to adapt him and change him for live action, give him actual human proportions not this cartoonish giant head thing that would never realistically function as a real human being. His anatomy makes no freaking sense what so ever and it's hard to take him seriously as a legitimate threat when he looks like a Mr. Potato Head. You can keep everything else about his origins the same just give him actual human proportions. As long as MODOK is just a giant head with little baby limbs attached directly to his head cause there's no torso on that thing he's just going to be a complete garbage character who shouldn't exist in the first place. Why does he even have those little robot legs? He can't walk on them cause of how they're placed. Totally useless. What are the point of his arms? I mean he can press buttons on his control chair which he's mentally linked to and thus doesn't actually need arms to do that. The design makes no freaking sense and it makes even less sense that he isn't dead after the events of the first Ant-Man movie. How the F does that lead to this? Nothing should ever lead to MODOK.
I remember when they first announced there was a third one and saw the trailer thereafter. I rolled my eyes and walked away from the screen knowing this movie would be sewage water. I personally did not like any of the Antman movies, and did not like this version of Antman at all. Never saw the hype behind these movies. At this point they're just cash grabbing drooling normies and pushing agitprop in these movies. That's why they keep making the same "mistake" in every movie. It can't just be incompetence at this point.
He was a handy comic relief character back before every character did that. Never intended to be a significant player, now thrown into unimaginably huge stakes along with everybody else.
@@LostChord that's actually a nice perspective on Ant man. His movies, though not the most original, could be just fun escapist films in a vacuum on their own (even if I don't like Ant man and the wasp). I think since he was indirectly so important in endgame they figured "well, it only makes sense to have him go face to face with the next Thanos!" It's almost like they misinterpreted his roll.
I mean, if I was trapped in the quantum realm for 30 years, resurrected space hitler and lost a civil war against space hitler and then finally be brought back home, the last thing I'd wanna do is talk about the quantum realm.
Even if Janet told to the family about kang the writer would have just said kang would have try to escape and track janet and open a portal where she was it would not change anything. And scott spliting was a funny scene you compare it to jack sparrow but that scene in Pirate of carabian was not so much funnier and was child humour. Ant man got out of the quantum realm thats how the other kang got to know they killed him or escape him not that they were monitoring the quantum realm
If the Kang from Loki (He Who Remains) is the main MCU timeline Kang and he is the only one who remains from the Council of Kangs at the end of the multiversal war, doesn't this make the whole of Phase 5 and 6 completely pointless??? Cuz we already know where this leads :/ Ehhh, the writers' must have never watched Netflix's DARK, that show is a masterpiece for time travelling!
So Scott was in the quantum realm for 5 years, but claims he only felt it like hours. The mom was there for decades, but wouldn't that have felt like just a few days to her? Does time flow differently in different parts of the Quantum realm? Does the movie address these things?
To answer your question as per the MCU - regardless of Rick and Morty writers: *Here is how the logistics of Quantum Tunnel time travel work.* With sub atomic Pym particles - > You shrink into the Quantum Realm. That is another Universe which functions as a hub to elsewhere in space and time. With Banner's modified Quantum Tunnel and Tony's space time GPS..... You can control your travel thru this hub, so that you come out in another space/time. Note when you travel backwards in time in Quantum Tunnel time travel you create an alternate timeline. This is a theory in physics called Multiverse Time Travel - this is the theory that Endgame used. In Banner's original experiment - before Tony created the Space/Time GPS, time, would be sent thru the traveler IN THE QUANTUM REALM. That's how Scott came back as a baby and then an old man. *So anyone saying you can't control time in the Quantum Realm has lost the plot - including the Rick and Morty knucklebrains.* They really have no business making these films. They have too little respect for the MCU in the 1st place. I'm sorry but this is another Dan and Dave final season of Game of Thrones situation where they are taking several years worth of storytelling and flushing it down the drain because they simply don't know how to write.
As a huge marvel fan and someone who loves Jonathan majors take on Kang, there’s no way they don’t totally screw up the Kang dynasty. The plot will have so many holes it will be impossible for anyone but the most casual movie viewers to watch. Those people aren’t gonna be interested in something so complex anyways tho…. I j hope they can come back for secret wars but let’s see
The thing I'm most excited for with the MCU is going to be how they deconstruct, disrespect, and ultimately disregard Kang as a threat. *Post Endgame* Snarky MCU character: Oh? The purple gorilla with the glowy stones? Yeah. We use those pebbles as paper weights... 😏 *Post Kang* Snarky MCU character: Yeah. Kang really had you guys in a tough spot there. Way to frame your world ending event around a bunch of black men hanging out together... 😏 Racist...
I agree with most of the points made here, just not the villian with no stakes thing. Assuming they stick somewhat close to the comics secret wars is not gonna be infinite kangs vs infinite avengers but rather an actual war between all the universes as they try to stop each other from causing incursions. Not saying that this couldn't be a huge mess either lol.
"Somehow didn't notice that his girlboss daughter, wife, and father were building a device to map the quantum realm in his basement." Goes to the well-documented 'not my eyeline, not my problem' aspect of the male psyche. Mum: knows children's birthdays, shoe and collar size, favorite food, allergies, when their jab and dental appts are due, favorite toy, favorite book, favorite clothes, etc Dad: "Children? We have children?" MODOK: "Tell me what to be." Cassie: "The Laineyball."
Not the best comparison. Haircuts, doctor visits, and the like are all routine. Underage girl somehow building a quantum realm mapping device is not. Good dads like Scott are also extremely protective of their little girls, so something dangerous and unlikely wouldn't escape their notice.
The original plan was actually to have M.O.D.O.K. as the antagonist in this movie. It's really unfortunate that they didn't go with it. He can be plenty scary, but they were in too much of a hurry to introduce Kang the Conqueror.
This may be a stretch, but is anybody else reminded of this scene from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: ua-cam.com/video/wwszFpJWWdg/v-deo.html Somehow, with what was described in this video, it seemed right...
Quick question the when you talk about the council of Kang end credit scene you said "that means "the council of kangs were monertering the quantum realm" How do you know they werent talking about Sylvie killing he who remains and bringing them all back from non existence?
At the end of the movie the council of Kangs want revenge on Scott and co for Kang's death but why? The council exiled/inprisoned Kang in the QR as punishment and now they are mad that the locals he enslaved ended up killing him. This also stopped Kang from enacting his plan to kill the council. Its makes no sense.
This video's opening argument, bemoaning dull similarity at multiple scales simultaneously -- a summary of the state of media (and potentially of critical response to same) in macrocosm; a reflection of the multiverse gimmick in this franchise of late and why it doesn't work; and a strike at the specific generic quality of this film's visuals, plot, and tone, is smarter and more thematically rewarding writing than any of these big entertainment productions seem able to manage these days. As above, so beneath, and at whatever scale you choose to perceive it, it all turns out the same...
I love Rick and Morty, but I think Jeff Loveness went way too far mixing Kang's character with Rick's. Infinite Kang's, the council of Kang's, and the main antagonist essentially being the "Kangiest Kang". Kang is literally Hitler Rick. This works in Rick and Morty because that show is essentially nihilistic slapstick. Further Dan Harmon's story circle is designed to create episodic plots where nothing changes at the end and the events didn't matter (so hard baked nihilism). This structure just doesn't work for the MCU which is supposed to be moving forward and supposedly takes itself seriously. The events are supposed to matter in the MCU. I still think Jeff Loveness is a good writer, he's just an awful fit for large franchise movies like the MCU, and so that's on the studio for hiring him really.
These films are all noxious because they are written and produced by the same noxious writers and producers. Thank you for another insightful and hilarious review
Honestly I only went to see this movie for Kang/Jonathan Majors and that was easily the only good thing about this movie. The CGI and corny jokes were fucking terrible typical MCU cookie cutter BS.
It sure was good fortune that when Janet Van Dyne touched Kang's Palantír of Orthanc, umm... I mean ship, she was able to see into his mind to discover his terrible secret and diabolical plan.
Any decline in popularity of the genre is because of how the movies and shows are made. Like Star Wars. It’s not Marvel people are turning away from, it’s Disney and their poor management.
Oh wow, I thought Ryan was simplifying Cassie's "Don't be a dick" exchange. Fricking Wander Over Yonder and Steven's redemption of White Diamond pull off better redemption arcs XDDDD
Imagine if the Falcon defeated Thanos in infinity war and in the end credits we see a council of Thanos's and everyone says "It's okay, there are an infinite number of Thanos so this death doesn't matter and doesn't make the villain less impactful"
Yeah, But Infinite Kang is LITTERALLY the reason why he is such a threat in the comics
But there’s infinite everybody. It’s the multiverse. The kang we saw was supposed to be the most powerful one which is why he was exiled. So the power level just goes down from here
Yeah, it's really lame. They completely fumbled the intro to Kang. Now I know that the strongest iteration of him sucks and gets whupped by Ant Man. zzzzzzzzz
Seriously why not have him wipe the Ant Family out? It's not like we need to see any more of these characters, there's clearly nothing interesting left to do with this franchise. Kang should've killed at least a few of them. The fact that Ant Man gets out of his encounter with Kang completely unscathed, without losing ANYTHING, is so ridiculous.
Like just kill someone! Wasp was barely even in this movie, why are we so desperately clinging onto the character? So she can barely be in the next movie too?
I knew it would be a non-starter, too. Everyone was losing their minds at the trailer, freaking out about how dark and epic the movie looked, and I'm like.... naw guys, it's gonna be the same marvel shlock. Nothing interesting is allowed to happen in this movie, because it has to set up for the ACTUAL interesting movie.
@@Rai-on until it doesn't because the latest barely literate rick and morty castoff hired to write a movie decides his villain needs to be the coolest ever so decides 'nah fam' and just ignores that point you just raised...
But thats what kang does. He has an army of variants.
Pitch meeting is satirical, but Ryan is always unnervingly close to the truth every time he does his "so the movie can happen" bit.
He's like the Babylon Bee. They're supposed to do satire, but it ends up being prophetic.
Super easy, barely an inconvenience
The writing in the MCU is so so DAMN Lazy now... they assume people are dumb and will accept anything Marvel craps out
@@ChrisSmith-tu9bu 👍👍
@@ChrisSmith-tu9bu sadly they're largely correct
16 MCU projects since Endgame and they still feel like they are trying to figure out what to do next
There have been 16 of them already? Damn.
@@elgato49 hence the extreme dip in quality
@@elgato49 yeah and we bareilly start phase 5
I skipped everything after the first half of Moon Knight and I actually wish I stopped watching MCU sooner. Just had enough of the bs honestly.
Did they ever had a plan? Endgame proved they didnt
If Kang could be killed by antman I'm not understanding how he's supposed to be a Thanos level threat.
Because there are INFINITE KANGS! Stop thinking about it and it makes sense, honest.
@@waterdroplet369 Context. This is a Human who has been imprisoned without his greatest weapons. No Time Travel. No Rings. No Bangle. Chair Broke.
The Ant-fam is really underrated. What happened to Ant-man can solo Thanos?
@@LANDBACKbyANYmeans that was only if he could jump into Thanos' bunghole and then grow again but it was debunked since Thanos' flesh in that part was theorized to be just as strong therefore he would crush Antman betwix his buttocks.
Well, to be fair, Squirrel Girl did beat Thanos that one time, didn't she?
@@leecherboy okay dude you wanna get technical? Squirrel girl solo'd everyone in a certain universe, she's busted (somehow) but everyone is always killing everyone else in __________ kills the Marvel Universe One shots
I love how Kang completely dominates the heroes for the whole movie, literally stopping them from moving
Then suddently stops doing that when it's time to fight😂
After having watched his army getting decimated and his ship destroyed while doing nothing😂
Movie is shit, we know
His suit got damaged or something so he had zero power. I agree it was really jarring, I only knew because I watched UA-cam
@@littleidols They did a shit job indicating that then.
Can I be honest? That four second clip of MODOK saying he doesn't know what to be and asking what he should be [only to be waved away] really hurt me.
It almost feels meta in the way that they obviously had no idea what to actually do with MODOK and bringing Darren back as MODOK in the quantum realm could have worked well but they fumbled it.
It's sad, especially with that weird uncertain smile on his face.
Watching this series die strictly due to bad writing really hit me in the fan balls.
_"...the real threat to film review UA-cam isn't that we run out of terrible films to cover, but rather that all the terrible films are terrible in _*_exactly_*_ the same ways..."_
This has been a growing concern of mine as well. I find LittlePlatoon and their ilk highly entertaining... though repetition is growing increasingly grating. Apparently there are some forms of rage that _can't_ be stoked indefinitely.
Oh to dream of a unique, original franchise unburdened by decades of hastily scribbled lore.
Took a break/unsubbed many over "Velma"
I'm sure "social media engagement/impressions" help these shows continue to exist
Is there a better joke than "M-She-U" yet?
Drinker still saying "The message"?
@@darrengordon-hill Pahahaha, yeah, you know it's gotten bad when I don't even watch their reviews anymore, just because 30 seconds in I can already tell they didn't like the new thing and it's gonna be the same laundry list of issues.
All rage burns out in time. It often leads into apathy, since it becomes too tiring to hate everything
@Draco9158 Fo real!!
Like... if I watch the Velma stuff to "support the channel", I'm just left with anger and useless (character/plot) info.
Pretty sure there's LOTS of "crap" out there (given all the shows they DON'T discuss) - to quote Abed: "I guess I just like liking things"
Well...we can still hold out hopes for a Snowflake and SafeSpace movie. I can't tell whether I'm being ironic or not. Very yes, but also very no. I would love to see a dumpster fire of such epic proportions.
i watched yesterday, slept through more than half. it was the best one of the trilogy, it went so fast i barely noticed.
I imagine sleeping through it is by far the best way to watch it, yep!
I tuned out after the scene where the family ganged up on Scott. Bought a beer and watched HeelvsBabyface.
@@LostChord but how do you make reviews or are you one of those people that learn better while in sleep mode
Quantumania really should have been a tense movie where our heroes battled against a more terrifying/intriguing Modok. Once Modok is defeated our heroes are hit in the face with the introduction of Kang. (who was never known by anyone even Janet. Also, think of Darth Vader and Palpatine.) Kang easily defeats our heroes. Kang Brutally kills Janet and Hank.
Scott, Hope, and Cassandra barely escape with horrified/Saddened looks on their faces.
And throughout the Marvel films, we see post-credits scenes of Kang killing multiverse versions of Marvel heroes to slowly gain pieces of "something" to control the multiverse.
Also another suggestion
Have Kang kill Cassandra I know it's gnarly but wouldn't you say it would make Kang instantly memorable as the first Marvel villain who killed a child on screen in full display as her loved ones watched?
Dang did you come up with that on the spot? That's leaps and bounds better than what Marvel's got going in their writers department these days!
Marvel would never do something that violent. Even the snap was bloodless, everyone just turned to dust
Griffith moment.
Actually I was kind of expecting Quantumania to be on par with No Way Home. (Just without the fanservice)
Can't kill Cassie as she's either replacing Scott and/or joining the Young Avengers.
But I agree with everything else. They should've made this a lower stakes movie with MODOK (could've kept everything the same, but never revealing Kang until the end).
Tying Janet to Kang just makes this worse because they literally recently returned from Thanos' snap. Kang is MULTIVERSAL & from the future so he's clearly an imminent threat. The fact that she saw his memories & said absolutely nothing is just horrible writing.
It's just all so tiring. Thank you for suffering on our behalf and transforming that suffering into entertainment for "we who wait". Applause.
STILL NOT "on our behalf".
We ARE NOT obligated to watch this trash.
"God's work" would be creating original content.
"Don't feed the trolls... feed the Hollywood troll"
Weird...
@@darrengordon-hill ........bro, what? Just laugh and move on...
Every time I see a clip of Modok I still can't believe how bad it is!
It look’s rediculous and stupid and just like Mr. Electric from Sharkboy and Lavagirl
@@chasehedges6775 Or like those weird thumb things from Spy Kids.
@@sita9071 👍👍
Yes! It's terrible CGI!! Its just his face stretched out, not even the cool scars or bliack liner or anything. Compare him to Marvel's own "Earth Mightiest Heros" or even they own damn comics!! MODOK deserves so much more than a claymation comedy and bad CGI. He's Hydra equal!
M.O.D.O.K is supposed to look stupid but be taken seriously. That's what the movie was missing
The biggest question is why did The Wasp get her hair cut by a wood chipper?
I’m convinced that Marvel’s Hair & Wardrobe department hate Evangeline Lily.
Tbh her look in Ant-Man 1 was more comic accurate than the one in 2 and 3.
The movie should have been more grounded. They can't have Scott be the one to deal with the next Thanos-level threat, or they have to make that threat pathetic so they can win. It could have just been about Scott reconnecting with his now grown daughter while dealing with something street level, like someone having stolen the pym technology and using it for crime
Exactly. Got a long section on this in my main channel video.
If there are infinite Kangs why should I care about every single one of them. Literally feels like the only way they thought of upping thanos is just by making a very large number of him...
Yup. There’s a similar point in my main video script. It’s Thanos, but this time it’s completely incomprehensible and meaningless because multiverses and timelines spiral out infinitely.
Well, that's part of the problem. You don't _need_ to raise the stakes; you're telling a different story now. You need to raise the challenge, to show that your heroes have grown, but the stakes? Nah.
You have to have stakes, but they need to be ones that the heroes and the audience can relate to. Inasmuch as the stakes are 'the end of the MCU!' it's not Kang that's going to end it; it's a series of shitty movies, so threatening that Kang is going to conquer the multiverse is an empty threat to the audience, because we _know_ you're planning to sell more movies with the franchise.
There are like 10 Batmans but we still care for each individual one.
Marvel just needs to make us care
My problem with this phase is the reliance on the multiverse concept. It's a hard concept to nail, better used for wacky stories of limited scope than epic battles. And in his MCU form... it's boring. So damn boring.
The idea of Janet reading Kang's mind is just plain stupid. What are these Rick and Morty writers thinking?
"Girl Boss Proliferation" is the name of my new punk album
So now MODOC, a fairly serious threat in the comics, is dead and wasted on for a joke.
Idk why they even bothered to include him if they weren't gonna use him well, they already had Kang smh
@@orbboom6119 The original plan was to have M.O.D.O.K as the antagonist in this movie. Unfortunately, they were in too much of a hurry to introduce Kang.
Same with Taskmaster, MCU writers don't even understand the character themselve. The fact that they got the job as writer triggered me.
The funny thing is that when I heard the plot I immediately thought 'Hey, Tron: Legacy'. Was cool to see you reached that same conclusion.
This script was a Frankenstein's monster written by an amalgamation of people...that was really a fantastic four movie disguised as an Ant-Family film
I mean its crazy this is a retrofitted fabtastic four script... basically how Velma is a retrofitted Mindy Kaling autobiography 🤮🤮🤮
@@ChrisSmith-tu9bu It reminded me a lot of the Micronauts comic where they encounter Psycho-Man. Just with the Micronauts replaced by the Ant Family and Kang instead of Psycho-Man.
@@ChapMeifan True..this was legitimately a Fantastic Four script initially...Ane became sorg of an audition reel for Peyton Reed who really wanted to make fantastic four movies...thay being said it didn't need to be remade into this but apparently thats how the sausage gets made sometimes, unfortunately...its pretty artistically bankrupt when they try and fit an old script into a new framework that doesn't exactly fit
the downfall of the mcu is bittersweet. It's always time to move on at some point but going to see these movies was a tradition for me and my friends during my teenage years. It is what it is
We need movies like Gladiator and The Northman
@@chasehedges6775 The Northman was genuinely amazing. I haven't liked a new movie that much for a long time.
@@DefinitelyNotEmma 👍👍
Yeah good MCU films signaled the height of nerddom in out culture...up until the morons took over...just like everything including Facebook 🤮🤮🤮
@@DefinitelyNotEmma Screw those movies we need more movies like inception and Everything Everywhere All At Once.... TBH Id pick Tenet a thousand times over anything in phase Four
I checked out after phase 3. For me, End Game was, you know, the End. I've gotten my fill of super hero's. I want Fantasy or Space Opera.
superheroes are fantasy, unless you mean like medieval type of realms fantasy
I love how if you haven't watched Loki, Kang is just some dude Janet met off screen XD
They need to stop putting plot points into these shitty shows😂
@Gadfog
Loki was dreadful. Universe-destroying levels of stupidity.
@Gadfog
My biggest issue it their introduction of the sacred timeline and the idea that free will did not exist as it would've gone against the bureau. Plus the female Loki was annoying and definitely too Mary Sue-ish for my liking. Loki was treated as an after thought in his own series. I could go on for a bit honestly
@Gadfog
Not really, the story objectively did not make sense within the established MCU. MauLer has good vids on the topic if you're interested
@Gadfog
He explains the plot holes better than my smooth brain ever could. Hope you enjoy the vid!
Man, Stoll needs to fire his agent, how did he go from House of Cards and the Strain to this? At least in Ant Man he was given a bland character, but his dignity remained intact.
Guess he needed that check
I like the more stoic/reserved v-tuber model/movement... I'm still fine with static, but yeah, this works!
Also kudos for editing, specially about the Tekken Kang
The real test will be the main vid, I think. See how it works for longer durations. It’s been handy on livestreams so far.
@@LostChord It was a little funky in previous videos with more drastic motion, having it move slower and more deliberately makes the animation a lot smoother. Hope it's successful going forward!
You know I like to write scripts. I am no Shakespeare or Tolkien. But I think Jan having her memories altered of what she experienced in the Quantum realm is a decent explanation as to why she never mentioned him.
*Any* explanation is better than the one they actually went with!
@@LostChord True,I was not trying to boast. But these are "professional" writers.
@@ggt47 That's the sad reality now, isn't it. Any number of average Janes and Joes can come up with more creative and passionate stories than people who got specialized training and are paid millions for every project.
Ugh...that is an infinitely better explanation than what the hell they went with (cause she was guilt ridden and traumatized by Kang). X)
Yea, maybe Janet could have had her memories altered to think that Kang is a benevolent savior of the Quantum Realm. But as the film carries on, it would slowly be revealed that Kang is actually a Conquerer!
The ants developed a Type II civilization, i.e., one capable of harnessing the entire energy output of a star via a Dyson sphere or similar technology. I can't get over how stupid that line was. Then immediately following that stupidity with the "Socialism Yay!" comment.
Ant Man 4, the ants themselves break out of the quantum realm and colonise the multiverse, creating a United Soviet Socialist Everything Everywhere All at Once.
(You’re right, it’s dumb as hell. If Hank can hop in and out of the quantum realm, he has access to the technologies of a Type II civilisation, which should completely transform our world. Which means it almost certainly never gets mentioned again.)
The superhero genre was always eventually going to burn out, as all genres do.
However what we've seen happen is a premature Kamikaze destruction.
Soooo true
Definitely. Fatigue is inevitable. What makes the MCU’s decline so remarkable though is that it happened so quickly.
I disagree. The Marvel MCU, with its current regurgitation with woke messaging, is doomed to failure. Superhero films, when done well, are like superhero comics with plenty good stories left untold.
I think burnout is caused by so many bad super hero movies. If the quality is at least consistently okay, many people will still have fun watching future entries.
This has nothing to do with fatigue. M-She-U after Endgame went head first into representation n ideological messaging n ignored all the ingredients that made them who they had become
Deconstructing n shaming all the male white heros just because of their gender n race n their female replacement being so unrelatable cuz of how flawless they are.
You see this over n over again and you're fed up with it all. You realize these guys have no interest in entertaining you anymore
And that's where the fatigue is coming from. Enough with the political messaging.
Make Marvel Great Again
I miss the time when I would be excited about the next MCU movie. At least I have plenty of anime to look forward to this year.
Anime?
Introduce me to that shit
Send me a link or something
I liked this movie the first time watching it. The twists and jokes were actually funny kinda.
My second time watching, I was bored and fell asleep because, well, I knew all the twists, and it wasn't impactful. There are plenty of twists in Phases 1-3, but they are still re-watchable to this day.
If Antman has shrunk down to sub-atomic size, what is he breathing?
If he is wearing his helmet - shrunk oxygen
If he is not wearing his helmet - MCU Magic Space Dust
Should be swallowing oxygen like Crash Bandicoot eats fruits
XD
Aunt Man and the Wasp: We Wuz Kang
Aunt man😂
The same writer has been given the next Avengers movie.
And the Avengers movie after that has been given to the writer of Multiverse of Madness
Failing upwards. It’s a nice job if you can get it.
@@LostChord Preach, etc. I do compare it to the previous two Avengers being given to the chaps who had proved themselves with all three Captain America films (and two of the Narnia films, which is a nice thing for me personally) Now you need to write some Rick & Morty
I'll just go back to my little corner and cry.
Kang as an antagonist has so much potential. Still had hope they would utilize the amazing talent they have in Jonathan Majors. But reading that those are the writers that are supposed to make that happen .. well, I'll be in my corner 😭
Everything Dinsey touches these days can be summed up in one sentance: "somehow, Palpatine returned"
No explanation, other than it's the stupidest explanation.
favourite big word in this video "disabused" - persuade (someone) that an idea or belief is mistaken.
That last line, man. That was brutal.
The movie should have called "Kang man in the Janet Verse"
Ant man was barely a protagonist and Wasp a cameo
Could the council of Kangs also be referred to as a Kang Bang?
Oh god damn it now I’m going to have to edit the main script again…
Quality overview - looking forward to the full vid!
I’m disappointed with the fact that Kang was beaten by Ants.
Besides Gardians of the gallaxy 3 and the Tom Holland Spider-Man movie's I'm done with the MCU...Hello new DCU
The time dilation rules they setup for this series was completely broken in this movie.
I couldn't stop thinking about it as I was watching it. It made no sense.
The MCU is definitely becoming tiring at this point
It seems tired of itself, too, which is never a good sign.
@@LostChord 👍👍
@@LostChord I miss the days of 2008
@@LostChord Good Point
It's been tiring for awhile now
That final line... What an ending!
What they did to modok in this movie was an insult to the character
“Multiversal traversal”
“Ant-Fam”
While your analysis is quality enough, the superb wordplay is the cherry on top 🍒
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When Ant Fam was trying to get Ant Mom out of the Quantum Realm in the last movie, why didn’t Kang latch on to that? There was certainly more than enough time and exposure for him to discover the two-way signal.
Cuz the writers are just making it up as the go along
Marvel could have taken a 3 to 4 year break after Endgame and really planned for the next 10 years of movies n an over arching story but no, more random content for Disney+ who has lost 2.4million subscribers in the past few months alone
Brave strategy marvel
You're not asking the right question.
Why didn't Kang latch on to Scott in Ant-Man 1?!
@@ccelite3782 I'm assuming quantum realm is a large estate
The fact that they started phase 4 with...Antman of all heroes? 😅
To sum this movie up in a few words :
“That’s just lazy writing bro”
1. If Kang brought them down, why didn't he bring them into someplace he knew, like a prison cell or a field surrounded by his army?
2. How did he know they were there to try to bring them down?
3. If Kang can rewind time why didn't he rewind to before Janet screwed up his device and stop her or pause time to keep her from doing it in the first place
Here's a good superhero name for 'Girl Boss' Cassie:
*Maggot*
Council of Kang's? So Kang is now just Rick Sanchez? Triple A studio now thinks parroting Rick and Morty is a good idea. Can hear it now, "Well, all the young people seem to like it."
Lol I mean council of Kangs came first
By decades.
Council of Kangs comes straight from the comics, which comes LONG before Rick and Morty.
Their misunderstanding of kangs character is astounding. Kang is the one and only kang in all the multiverse. His job is to literally prune universes from the multiverse stem. Any other kangs are just normal humans or other beings who have absolutely nothing to do with time or the management of the multiverse. The only other entity that is similar to kang is immortus and that’s because they are literally the same person but in two different bodies. Also, why tf is he black? He’s supposed to be a relative of Reed Richards of the fantastic 4 who is probably the whitest dude alive.
Edit: kang also already had access to our world and any other universes he wishes to go to, which makes the plot irrelevant
I saw a video and there's a theory that kang, this kang from quantumania is gonna the beyonder, but I don't know who is the beyonder is,I website it and I was shocked, that he's like the most powerful character in marvel comics. Kang and beyonder are like different characters. Marvel stans really love that idea to be in future avengers movies. Keep on saying "the avengers are doom, the avengers can't never win " my mind is like they can win , it's called franchise. Also who are the avengers, right now? I know this a theory or rumor ,if it's true in future Marvel movies. It's just make it more boring and lame, because I don't care about mcu no more, because of phase 4 and Antman 3 is dogshit. I know that fact that Disney/Marvel is gonna to butchered the beyonder in the mcu.
I have to say, I went to this movie with a date and was not impressed... Although I will say, when Kang threatens Scott with Cassie's life, I thought that made him pretty threatening... HOWEVER, they had to fuck it up by making him omega cringe at the end. The make up for Kang was really a strange choice since they were making the movie dark, so he looks like hes crying all the time. I dont mind if he cries to be honest, but if he's crying as hes killing people it couldve made him cooler, like for example if he was like 'why does everyone insist on trying to stop me, it never works.' maybe wouldve added some depth ANYWAY I think if they let Paul Rudd take a bit more control in his own movie it wouldve been better. Paul Rudd is just a funny guy in general but of course they have to shit on him for saving the universe which really turned me off on the movie. There is a silver lining! My date went great because of how much fun it was to make jokes about the movie which made my date laugh and secured the bag for a second date!
By the way, do you think this movie would've been better if they let Paul Rudd take more control? I think the Baskin Robbins Scott was funny lol
EDIT: I'm not talking about M.O.D.O.K because I havent read the comics of him and im convinced he was just a big joke for the movie to pull desperate laughs from the audience. While I admit I DID laugh at his first appearance, the joke quickly became old, however the last part where he runs in screaming 'I'm not a dick' is funny, which i dont think the movie was trying to give off? He basically sacrifices himself and they made a huge joke out of his entire existence which is really a shame, i dont think they should be making fun of anyone who helped especially not someone who helped them save the day in exchange for his life.
The MODOK problem, besides the dodgy effects, is it yanks the tone all over the place. His first appearance is immediately after the gunning down of innocent cutesy aliens en masse, which we can’t take seriously because he’s there. His death scene jumps from tragedy to comedy every other second. We’ve learned of the fight to save the multiverse, but in case we take that seriously, up he pops for the “don’t be a dick” skit. The effect is really to constrain the film’s emotional range, because you’re never more than a couple of minutes away from MODOK bringing the tone down again.
@@LostChord but why though, I don't understand the thought process. Even if MODOK looks goofy, it would only be a first time problem if they made him an actually serious character. Is it impossible to make something goofy genuinely terrifying and somber? I will never understand the need to make him a big huge joke, it just doesn't make sense from ANY perspective... unless they were trying to shift the tone all over the place. Like in a 'we tell you how you feel' type of way?
I think Paul Rudd actually wanted M.O.D.O.K. to be this film's antagonist, when they first started working on it. So, it kind of ties into Paul Rudd having more control.
Really unfortunate they didn't go with it, as it would have made for a more cohesive movie. Kang the Conqueror kind of needs his own movie, to be able to introduce him and flesh out his character better. Especially, since there are other versions of Kang that play a role. And his existence across the multiverse is still a very unfamiliar concept to the audience.
I hope they don't waste Jonathan Majors potential, because he definitely has the skill to make Kang the Conqueror into an absolutely menacing, "pee in your pants" villain :)
@@mejuliie Yeah! I mean dude, you can see that it could've gone either way! I really enjoyed Kang threatening Scott with Cassie, however his emotions don't make sense to me. I would've preferred someone who showed no emotion at all, than someone who cried when his engine broke... I mean if youre gonna have a villain who has killed god knows how many people, conquered god knows how many universes, how can he still be emotional. In the comics, the only time (personally) I've seen Kang cry is during the one where he's looping through his life I forgot the name... Basically he goes to his younger self to teach him and cries about a woman but you find out that his younger self is the same him that is teaching him so he's like looping and crying about a woman... wow thats off topic!
What im trying to say is, I like when my villains are taken seriously and not a joke. I really want to see Kang become a Thanos like individual where you're nervous when he comes on screen cus you know that hes dangerous but the character doesnt or the heroes are in danger. If he kills a few main heroes then so be it! It would be much better than he never kills anybody with a name but 'omg hes so scawy uwu' yk? Thanos was more logical terror, showing what a being of pure logic and reason could achieve when focused on a single purpose without any emotional views, but what is Kang? I hope they change what he was in the comics which is basically, I conquer because I can. It would be fresh to see a different perspective, something to make us seriously think whether he is right while also scaring us with what our conclusions might be rather than mindlessly watch sludge flow on screen and go 'hurhur funny man make joke'
if that makes sense lol sry it was so long i derail off topic most of the time...
This is why Everything Everywhere All At Once did it beautifully. The WHOLE multiverse was at stake. And some universes were outside the regular area of mapping, but they were also at stake. And protagonist & antagonist were perfectly balanced against one another, in terms of philosophies. And the way the story was so big, but focused on the small things....all I'm saying is that MCU needs to watch EEAAO and take a cue or 10
The multiverse is a train wreck as a plot idea
I've got a question for Kevin Feige. If time doesn't exist in the quantum realm, how in front flipping fuck did Michelle Pfeiffer(couldn't care less about her character's name) age. It seems the only thing consistent about the current MCU is that it's consistently inconsistent.
And why did everyone down there age at the same time? Why had time progressed down there by the time they went back? It seems to operate by the same time as our world. Which is odd, as I faintly remember the previous film’s ticking clock mechanic being “if you don’t get me out in 2 hours you’ll have missed me by a hundred years.”
Does anyone else question why Kang, with his apparently god-like powers needs ant man to shrink down to get the core? He can't go get it himself? Also how he conveniently stops using almost all of his powers to battle them in the final showdown? Just me? Ok
"apparently god-like powers"
"He can't go get it himself?"
No. Would not be much of a prison if he could get out.
"Just me?"
No. Lots of people are not able to retain information. His "Powers" were damaged by the Ants.
I'm gonna need you to get all the way off my back about these logical Kang questions
And remember the actor is black so any criticism about his character might n will be seen as racism from toxic fans.
I just feel it's coming
Honestly I can answer that first question; Kang couldn't survive the probability storm because hes so warlike hed just fight any alternative versions of himself...so he needed Scott...a better question is if hes a geniuses from the very far flumg future couldnt he just steal Scotts suit off of his corpse and send in a robot of some sort in Scotts suit
@@josephbassey1501 Why do you even feel the need to bring this up? You're the one introducing it as an issue.
I think it's safe to say that the majority of people will agree that Jonathan Majors performance isn't the issue, but the writing is.
@@josephbassey1501 I applaud the Pitch Meetings reference 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
After all the mismanagement of the mcu it kinda feels like fans have gone through the five steps of grief over the years. I'm at the point of acceptance now and simply do not expect anything any more from the films 😅
Well honestly Im the biggest critic of this current iteration of the MCU BUT Feige DID say theyre pushing all their release dates back now in an attempt to make better films... supposedly hes gonne get more involved and be more heavy handy in his quality control...now wether it helps is debatable but money talks and if their profits are faltering they'll at least TRY and adjust
@@ChrisSmith-tu9bu they won’t try anything. They’ll just quintuple down.
We need a great parody/satire film that parodies all the tired tropes of the genre and forces the studios to make smarter films.
Ever seen Blazing Saddles? The parody that killed Westerns on TV .
I feel something tidy is not being said it's that every single marvel product is all about saving the world, which says a lot about our world today in how people are so focused on saving the world nobody thinks about just making their communities a better place
Watch Daredevil... but oh no... Disney have got their slippy paws on that too.
The only way you could enjoy marvel films these days is to view it as an stand alone, generic, dumb adventure movies. The ones that you watch because there's nothing else to do, to laugh (or cringe) at its comedic moments, and then forget all about it the moment you leave the theater.
So basically they've become just another mediocre superhero films.
I swear when I saw the main bad guy of this movie I wish someone had recorded it
I burst out laughing, struggling to breathe and regain my composure
And the real kicker? That's not supposed to be the reaction to the villain
what was funny about Kangs introduction? or are you talking about MODOK...?
@@__UberMonk__ MODOK
Yeah we know. Smh
MCU been fucked since forever man, Disney ruined it.
Ant Man and the Wasp: Quantumania is replete with a multitude of excellent actors; Douglas, Rudd, Lilly, Pfeiffer, Majors, etc.
Unfortunately this film is an absolute waste of their talents; unfortunately it didn't need to be so.
Great actors that are wasted in mediocre slop
Honestly how did the other avengers lose to this guy
Turns out this movie is absolutely BOMBING at the box office. Currently estimated to have one of the highest second weekend drops of any super hero film. Overseas numbers are on life support. Would love to hear your thoughts on this in the review. Not too late to make edits? Phase 5 not looking good. Looking forward to the full vid
Marvel just feels confused.
I said this years ago but... MODOK should NEVER be adapted into live action. He's a pretty silly character even for a cartoon and his appearance in this movie is actually even WORSE than I had anticipated. Not only is just the image of a live action MODOK just as horrifying as I had imagined but they also completely changed his origin and characterization from the comics.
So first of all, Darren Cross is not even a character who even exists in the comics and he has now taken over the super villain alias of two other Marvel characters. Yellow Jacket is actually suppose to be Hank Pym which given movie Hank Pym isn't likely to turn into a super villain like his comic book counterpart using that mantle for a different character actually makes sense. MODOK however is actually a character named George Tarleton who was born with a deformity giving him that iconic appearance but is also a super genius and the robotic elements were created for him with the help of A.I.M., the science division for Hydra. The fact this MODOK started off as a regular human and just some how became this thing, doesn't have his super intelligence or his connection to AIM, why is MODOK even in this movie? Even if they actually adapted MODOK accurately to how he was in the comics the fact that he's just a giant head with tiny little arms and legs meant that this was always going to translate badly in live action so the one thing they SHOULD have changed for the movie version is the part they got right and the things that didn't need to be changed in the first place they changed for no reason what so ever?
If you're going to do a live action MODOK which you really shouldn't, that character should never exist, but if you want to adapt him and change him for live action, give him actual human proportions not this cartoonish giant head thing that would never realistically function as a real human being. His anatomy makes no freaking sense what so ever and it's hard to take him seriously as a legitimate threat when he looks like a Mr. Potato Head. You can keep everything else about his origins the same just give him actual human proportions. As long as MODOK is just a giant head with little baby limbs attached directly to his head cause there's no torso on that thing he's just going to be a complete garbage character who shouldn't exist in the first place. Why does he even have those little robot legs? He can't walk on them cause of how they're placed. Totally useless. What are the point of his arms? I mean he can press buttons on his control chair which he's mentally linked to and thus doesn't actually need arms to do that. The design makes no freaking sense and it makes even less sense that he isn't dead after the events of the first Ant-Man movie. How the F does that lead to this? Nothing should ever lead to MODOK.
I remember when they first announced there was a third one and saw the trailer thereafter. I rolled my eyes and walked away from the screen knowing this movie would be sewage water. I personally did not like any of the Antman movies, and did not like this version of Antman at all. Never saw the hype behind these movies.
At this point they're just cash grabbing drooling normies and pushing agitprop in these movies. That's why they keep making the same "mistake" in every movie. It can't just be incompetence at this point.
He was a handy comic relief character back before every character did that. Never intended to be a significant player, now thrown into unimaginably huge stakes along with everybody else.
@@LostChord that's actually a nice perspective on Ant man. His movies, though not the most original, could be just fun escapist films in a vacuum on their own (even if I don't like Ant man and the wasp). I think since he was indirectly so important in endgame they figured "well, it only makes sense to have him go face to face with the next Thanos!" It's almost like they misinterpreted his roll.
I mean, if I was trapped in the quantum realm for 30 years, resurrected space hitler and lost a civil war against space hitler and then finally be brought back home, the last thing I'd wanna do is talk about the quantum realm.
Even if Janet told to the family about kang the writer would have just said kang would have try to escape and track janet and open a portal where she was it would not change anything. And scott spliting was a funny scene you compare it to jack sparrow but that scene in Pirate of carabian was not so much funnier and was child humour.
Ant man got out of the quantum realm thats how the other kang got to know they killed him or escape him not that they were monitoring the quantum realm
They... uh... they caught Kang monologuing?
If the Kang from Loki (He Who Remains) is the main MCU timeline Kang and he is the only one who remains from the Council of Kangs at the end of the multiversal war, doesn't this make the whole of Phase 5 and 6 completely pointless??? Cuz we already know where this leads :/ Ehhh, the writers' must have never watched Netflix's DARK, that show is a masterpiece for time travelling!
It's almost like the script writer duo from the boys became real and marvel hired them.
So Scott was in the quantum realm for 5 years, but claims he only felt it like hours. The mom was there for decades, but wouldn't that have felt like just a few days to her? Does time flow differently in different parts of the Quantum realm? Does the movie address these things?
This movie can't address shit, because the writers are idiots who write Rick and Morty, Rick and Morty is science fiction for high school drop outs.
To answer your question as per the MCU - regardless of Rick and Morty writers:
*Here is how the logistics of Quantum Tunnel time travel work.*
With sub atomic Pym particles - > You shrink into the Quantum Realm.
That is another Universe which functions as a hub to elsewhere in space and time.
With Banner's modified Quantum Tunnel and Tony's space time GPS.....
You can control your travel thru this hub, so that you come out in another space/time.
Note when you travel backwards in time in Quantum Tunnel time travel you create an alternate timeline. This is a theory in physics called Multiverse Time Travel - this is the theory that Endgame used.
In Banner's original experiment - before Tony created the Space/Time GPS, time, would be sent thru the traveler IN THE QUANTUM REALM.
That's how Scott came back as a baby and then an old man.
*So anyone saying you can't control time in the Quantum Realm has lost the plot - including the Rick and Morty knucklebrains.*
They really have no business making these films. They have too little respect for the MCU in the 1st place.
I'm sorry but this is another Dan and Dave final season of Game of Thrones situation where they are taking several years worth of storytelling and flushing it down the drain because they simply don't know how to write.
What a load of BS this Marvel is now… Me n my friends dont even bother about anything in Marvel now..
Can’t say I blame you!
I thoroughly enjoyed Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania
As a huge marvel fan and someone who loves Jonathan majors take on Kang, there’s no way they don’t totally screw up the Kang dynasty. The plot will have so many holes it will be impossible for anyone but the most casual movie viewers to watch. Those people aren’t gonna be interested in something so complex anyways tho…. I j hope they can come back for secret wars but let’s see
The guy who wrote quantumania is writing avengers kang dynasty so yeah it’s going to suck
@@idawg7332 i did not know that. my theory that the kang in quantumania becomes he who remains grows stronger
They're probably gonna try to squeeze all the new characters into one movie, but it may not work out
The thing I'm most excited for with the MCU is going to be how they deconstruct, disrespect, and ultimately disregard Kang as a threat.
*Post Endgame*
Snarky MCU character: Oh? The purple gorilla with the glowy stones? Yeah. We use those pebbles as paper weights... 😏
*Post Kang*
Snarky MCU character: Yeah. Kang really had you guys in a tough spot there. Way to frame your world ending event around a bunch of black men hanging out together... 😏 Racist...
I actually agree with this totally. I no longer listen to reviews because they have become as redundant as the movies themself.
When they are all riding the manta-things, I half-expected them to shout, “The sleeper has awakened!” or “Muad’Dib!”
I agree with most of the points made here, just not the villian with no stakes thing. Assuming they stick somewhat close to the comics secret wars is not gonna be infinite kangs vs infinite avengers but rather an actual war between all the universes as they try to stop each other from causing incursions. Not saying that this couldn't be a huge mess either lol.
"Somehow didn't notice that his girlboss daughter, wife, and father were building a device to map the quantum realm in his basement."
Goes to the well-documented 'not my eyeline, not my problem' aspect of the male psyche.
Mum: knows children's birthdays, shoe and collar size, favorite food, allergies, when their jab and dental appts are due, favorite toy, favorite book, favorite clothes, etc
Dad: "Children? We have children?"
MODOK: "Tell me what to be."
Cassie: "The Laineyball."
Not the best comparison. Haircuts, doctor visits, and the like are all routine. Underage girl somehow building a quantum realm mapping device is not. Good dads like Scott are also extremely protective of their little girls, so something dangerous and unlikely wouldn't escape their notice.
Ah man my whole family built a small nuke in my basement?
I had no idea officer
And then there’s Pensuke, who is woke incarnate
Honestly if MODOK was the correct character and treated like an actual villian i wouldnt care sbout the terrible face stretching design
The original plan was actually to have M.O.D.O.K. as the antagonist in this movie. It's really unfortunate that they didn't go with it. He can be plenty scary, but they were in too much of a hurry to introduce Kang the Conqueror.
This may be a stretch, but is anybody else reminded of this scene from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: ua-cam.com/video/wwszFpJWWdg/v-deo.html
Somehow, with what was described in this video, it seemed right...
Quick question the when you talk about the council of Kang end credit scene you said "that means "the council of kangs were monertering the quantum realm"
How do you know they werent talking about Sylvie killing he who remains and bringing them all back from non existence?
At the end of the movie the council of Kangs want revenge on Scott and co for Kang's death but why? The council exiled/inprisoned Kang in the QR as punishment and now they are mad that the locals he enslaved ended up killing him. This also stopped Kang from enacting his plan to kill the council. Its makes no sense.
This video's opening argument, bemoaning dull similarity at multiple scales simultaneously -- a summary of the state of media (and potentially of critical response to same) in macrocosm; a reflection of the multiverse gimmick in this franchise of late and why it doesn't work; and a strike at the specific generic quality of this film's visuals, plot, and tone, is smarter and more thematically rewarding writing than any of these big entertainment productions seem able to manage these days. As above, so beneath, and at whatever scale you choose to perceive it, it all turns out the same...
Why thank you very much!
God bless you for taking everything I was thinking in theaters and putting it into words
So we're reaching Boring bad movie field.
"Tell me what to be!" Why was he like that?
It's just action figures being smashed together
They really could’ve just done galactus
Remember how even after snapping everyone back Hulk says he couldn't snap back Natasha? Remember stakes?
I love Rick and Morty, but I think Jeff Loveness went way too far mixing Kang's character with Rick's. Infinite Kang's, the council of Kang's, and the main antagonist essentially being the "Kangiest Kang". Kang is literally Hitler Rick.
This works in Rick and Morty because that show is essentially nihilistic slapstick. Further Dan Harmon's story circle is designed to create episodic plots where nothing changes at the end and the events didn't matter (so hard baked nihilism). This structure just doesn't work for the MCU which is supposed to be moving forward and supposedly takes itself seriously. The events are supposed to matter in the MCU.
I still think Jeff Loveness is a good writer, he's just an awful fit for large franchise movies like the MCU, and so that's on the studio for hiring him really.
These films are all noxious because they are written and produced by the same noxious writers and producers.
Thank you for another insightful and hilarious review
Honestly I only went to see this movie for Kang/Jonathan Majors and that was easily the only good thing about this movie. The CGI and corny jokes were fucking terrible typical MCU cookie cutter BS.
Same! I'm going to be so disappointed, if they waste the potential of Kang/Jonathan Majors. I still have some hope left ...
It sure was good fortune that when Janet Van Dyne touched Kang's Palantír of Orthanc, umm... I mean ship, she was able to see into his mind to discover his terrible secret and diabolical plan.
Where’s Nokia when you need her?
Any decline in popularity of the genre is because of how the movies and shows are made. Like Star Wars. It’s not Marvel people are turning away from, it’s Disney and their poor management.
MCU died ten years ago these movies are just long spoofs and parody’s of bad writing and woke stuff to make us laugh
Sorry for asking, but what software do you use to animate your avatar? I've seen you use it on livestreams with the Critical Drinker, i was curious
Oh wow, I thought Ryan was simplifying Cassie's "Don't be a dick" exchange. Fricking Wander Over Yonder and Steven's redemption of White Diamond pull off better redemption arcs XDDDD