Only seeing clips here and there, the most surprising thing is that these guys even thought a PUG was an acceptable idea. Just gotta wait that shit out until you have enough people on.
@@TehMafiaTV seriously and especially with soda in the party too, I actually thought that soda was taking this seriously enough to not make a silly mistake like this, all they needed to do was wait and poke wouldn’t of died
ive never been into wow and i have no idea what im looking at when i see 10 different bars 100 different icons.. but i respect the mental fortitude to play hardcore
The paladin said in their review of the death that his mind registered that Soda had said he was AoE taunting. They acknowledged that the BoP was a misplay. The paladin probably did not actually realize that Sardaco had petried. Less than a second after he says he did, Poke is dead. They would have had more time, but Poke chose that moment to run forward to cast Curse of Tongues on the casters, although he was in range without running forward. Even then, he would have survived if the Brute had not used four attacks at almost the same time (might be wrong here; why do people never look at their combat log after they die so they can see exactly what killed them), because he was 0.1 sec from clicking petri. Or - get this - if he had lifetapped one fewer time before the start of the fight, since the paladin only had time for one heal which did not bring Poke to full health.
@@Jmakk For sure, skipping packs isn't a problem with good execution by the entire group. But relying on good, *consistent* execution is a recipe for inevitable disaster in hardcore. If it wasn't the pug messing up here, it'd be someone else somewhere else - some inexperienced guildy (or even a good one) in some other raid or dungeon. Even the best players are going to make mistakes eventually; that's why we have clips of people in Nihilum permadying to stupid shit in BRD and whatever - they banter, zone out, cut corners, and rush because they know they're good enough to handle it... right up until it's a bit too much, or they're a bit too unlucky. And then they die.
I understand why they don’t have a random in Discord, but I also know that everyone should always be in Discord. Basic communication can prevent a lot.
When Sardaco petrified and Soda got bopped the aggro went to Poke and he got destroyed. Sardaco did call out that he was going to die, and at that point Poke should have roached.
Usually I think Soda is an idiot but for the first time he's said something I fully agree with. "Don't be a hindsight gamer." Too many people watch sit after the fact with tons of other people using video and repeats and then saying you should have done this or that but you only know those things because you watched it after.
The military calls them "After Action Reviews". If you want to get better, you do them. And in Soda's video, it shows they did do this for the next 10 minutes after this video ends. But I agree, sometimes people do this wrong. (Like assuming that certain information should have influenced a decision, when in fact it was not known or it was too difficult to distinguish from other incoming information. This is why it helps to do it by having people explain what they did and why.) For example, it seems apparent that many people in this group underestimated these mobs. In that case, the only real solution is "learn the instance better or play extra, extra safe". Case in point: they weren't talking to the mage with in-game chat. That's not playing extra, super-duper safe.
@@RiskyDramaUploads 100% I never played WOW but I have been playing league for years and VOD reviews after games have improved my knowledge so much that it is a must if you actually want to get better and take your skill to the next level. Sometimes it takes seeing your fuckups so they don't happen again.
@@xctkillaprodigyx2586 Obviously there is no problem in reviewing YOUR OWN game and finding out what YOU could have done better, its only when other people try to lecture you that it becomes a problem.
Sard was told to petri > Poke told Sard to petri > Poke died. Like bruh if the warriors who have threat are popping petri you need to do it first before they aggro dump. If the dude didnt focus on Sard and instead just popped his own petri he would've lived. Though props to soda for getting distance and waiting for his party to petri first, did the best he could with a shit situation
Sure, the mage misplayed. But honestly, Poke was just kinda going thru the motions. It's not Pokes fault, but at the same time Poke had time to survive if he was awake and alert. Shit happens fast, especially in HC. Poke could have survived like Sardaco did, but it requires very quick emergency maneuvers. Definitely shitty all around, but there WAS time for recovery if you're quick. Sad to see, sorry it happened
to be fair it looked like tanks were getting back control, but Avail did some questionable things that not only made him lose all his mana, but made both tanks go immune without calling the bop. Poke died before soda realized why he couldnt hold aggro anymore. a simple bop call or a bop instead of lay on hands on sardaco and they all could have lived or even beat the encounter.
I don't understand why people don't use the petri flask the moment they feel at risk...I mean just use it. They act like it costs 10k per pot. Why would you even "think its fine", just use it. If it turns out you didnt have to, unclick it and that's it.
In the longer clip, Poke says he spent a few seconds focused on how his Corruption was going to break the mage's poly. (Corruption landed before the mage started casting poly.) And since the mage wasn't on voice and the mage was focused on not dying (never received any heals, maybe Italianguy was targeting him when cast was interrupted), there was no re-poly. I'm guessing that Poke's priority were dotting things with Corruption for Nightfall procs, and uncertainty about whether the mage would re-poly meant he didn't want to DoT more. So he was waiting for the mage instead of doing something like casting Curse of Tongues on the casters - which he finally did just before he died.
@@DragonZerul BoP on Sardaco and Sardaco dies (without the flask, though the doggy might have killed him before LoH without the flask). Most of the damage he was taking was magic. Casters were doing 900 damage per cast. You saw the uppercut and the polymorph on Avail (Italianguy) that interrupted two different heals? Between GCD for BoP and 2.5 sec Holy Light time, that's enough for another two frostbolts (1.8k) before Holy Light lands. So we have at least one commentator who, in the heat of the moment, would have made a decision that let a player die. I'm not saying I'd perform better, of course.
40 seconds in and you can already see how this happened. look how close the mage is to mobs and how wide he cuts around that corner, he isn't aware of aggro range or hugging walls correctly
sardaco didnt call out shit,.. he said "poke" -> poke dies -> "petri poke" -> *scream* they should have a universal code for when shit hits the fan, you know like "roach out"
@@chah5001 its not, the time to petri is after you leave party, and you leave party if everyone agrees its time to roach out. which soda and sardaco didnt made clear.
@@mawhulk you petri so that you dont die, you leave the party, you petri again, if its a situation where someone had to petri with extra mobs and zero agro on them, that means it's a fucky situation, you petri anyways, if the situation seems in control after you petri - some fucking how - you can cancel the first petri and rejoin the fight.
@@chah5001 its really not since he didnt expected it cause soda and sardaco are the ones leading it.. sure you could argue that poke could be a god gamer with inhuman reactions, but its still up to the leader to call out shit like that. soda and poke are even the ones to point out that sardaco needs to petri and that they need to dip now, and a split second later he died. you dont expect new players to clutch a 1v5 in CSGO or valorant but sure.. you could argue that they shouldve killed them all for the win. but only a dumbass would expect that
@@mawhulk the second they said sardo needs to petri thay should have petried thats why poke died, all the mobs on sardo went to poke and killed him, if he had petried he would have been fine, soda was late he almost died too but not too late he petried in time, even poke said later he was too relaxed and thought they had it even when he said to sardo to petri, that was a misjudgment of the situation, +5 mobs fucking everyone with no control in a no tank fast run, it never happens in HC without atleast someone dying, thats petri time.
@@lukerafa5344 He did the first part, but it was on the mage already dotted with Corruption. And I think CS on these mobs isn't that effective since they use three spells schools, all of which are pretty deadly. It basically only means the mob's casting time is wasted, which means ~900 less damage taken, instead of 10 sec of the mob being useless. Regardless, because the mob walked into the melee mobs, he was already almost dead after he got the poly off. Kept Iceblock on for 6 sec because probably waiting for a heal; if he hadn't, the ogres might have used one of their abilities on him like one uppercutted the paladin a few seconds later as a secondary target within range. He shouldn't have been in range, but after he was, can't criticize keeping Iceblock on in Hardcore. At that moment, he was at the greatest risk of dying in the group, and the others were in danger, they could all have called for a Petri or just ran. Yes, he should have repoly'd, but maybe he didn't realize it had broken.
Gotta pull anything remotely capable of being body pulled when u got even a single pug in the group. Also they should be having the mage sheep on pull even for those small pulls. Poor poke. o7
tbh, petri culture causes everyone to play worse. i wish that people HAD to rely on skill rather than petris. that pull was very difficult, but managable
I mean if you're not pugging, I agree mostly. Thing is, pugs can grief or just play like idiots, meaning you can die at no fault of your own...kinda like here. Petri is kinda lame, but it's the lesser of two evils when you consider how bad some people are and how death can be 100% out of your control otherwise.
@@3lit3gn0m3 Hydra died because they tried to skip a mob pack and later aggroed it. Poke died because they tried to skip a mob pack and later aggroed it. 100% out of their control?
@@RiskyDramaUploads emphasis on "they". What's Poke supposed to do, demand they clear the entire dungeon in case someone doesn't follow the standard route and ass pulls? It wasn't out of the GROUP 's control, but it certainly was out of the one who died.
@@CaptainSweatpants90what takes less time; clearing a whole dungeon or leveling from 1 to 60? Someone do the math. Oh wait, never mind, it is painfully obvious.
These guys are kidding right? They literally didn't pull the pats on the right, decide to charge to next pack, and then blame someone else LOL. It was simply a group that was overconfident. Yes the mage shouldn't have pulled but shit happens - that's why you PLAY SAFE AND CLEAR ALL THE PACKS, DONT SKIP THEM
Things players could have done better: Poke: not Life Tap to full mana when healer is only at 60% mana. Just tap once, eat and drink at the same time. Have Succubus out for Seduction. Learn to juggle a mob with Fear + Curse of Recklessness combo (easier if mob is snared). Use Curse of Tongues on casters if he didn't (can't tell from this POV). Edit: he did use it on the two casters just before he died. He said he was focused on the mage sheeping the mob he had DoT'd with corruption, so that may be why he didn't use it earlier. He got hit for 750 x5 in less than a second and was 0.1 sec late in clicking Petri. Soda: spec for and use Piercing Howl, it's just one talent point and would really help with messy situations like this. Should probably have killed the dogs first. The PUG mage, Baidsbie: not aggro the mobs. Not try to polymorph a mob with Corruption dot. Not spend 3 seconds on Fire Blast and walking into melee mobs after pulling the extra pack, trying to get LoS for polymorph. Both warriors: use shield and defensive stance when things get messy instead of dual-wield Berserker stance. Sardaco tried to switch to shield using a macro, but it didn't work for some reason. Edit: use Demoralizing Shout, it's supposedly more effective on elites? Basically, recognizing when mitigating incoming damage is more important than dealing damage. Italianguy and entire group: better positioning so paly healer doesn't have to reposition, since no instant heals except Holy Shock. From 0:58, no heals until 1:09 because Italianguy ran and was next to an ogre which backhanded him (avoidable if far away) to interrupt a heal. Stay in LoS of your healer. Instead of running forward, Italianguy could have said in Discord to stay in LoS. Everyone: communicate in party chat to the PUG mage who wasn't in voice chat. RIP, Pokelawlstwo.
Poke knows he messed up. Easy to blame the mage. But mistakes happen and also bad luck happens. But it is the resposiblility of the player to know when to pull the parachute. Poke even said he should of done it.
The fact that they skipped a pact that would have been easy to handle when they KNEW they had a pug is total negligence on Soda's part and its easy for everyone to throw blame at the random who quite literally isn't able to defend themselves. Confirmation bias situation.
1. Tank needed to not skip that pack at the doorway, that’s negligent for DMN HC 2. Need faster raid marks to sheep before the ogre mage used sheep 3. Sloppy aggro forced a poor main tank bop, got next in threat one shotted 4. 2 warriors, each needs to grab loose casters and tank/kick them till stable
EVERYONE misplayed in this clip. Tank should have known better than to trust a pug mage NOT in discord to NOT body pull. They're all shouting at the mage NOT in discord to sheep lol wtf. Poke shouldn't have corrupted sheep target. Soda was cleaving when he should have been interrupting the mage that was clearcasting because it wasn't CCd. Pally panic bop'd Soda WITHOUT WARNING at 2/3 hp when he just had 2 dogs and a brute on him which considering Soda's gear+pot isn't THAT bad and could have been managed for long enough till the brute+mage died. Honestly this was very recoverable if so many people didn't fuck up all at once and had just communicated better.
To be fair, not killing the pack in the door way was a mistake. Sure the mage pulled, but everyone was so quick to blame the 'mystery guy' but not Soda who, as the tank, should have taken the other pack into consideration before the pull which led to an accumulation of unlucky mistakes. Shit happens but it was not one singular persons error here.
i still dont understand that... if a prot warrior litterally specced and holding a shield can hold all that. then why let a fury tank... the prot spec is there for a reason in my opinion... its still alot of damage reduc etc when specced in it. i dont like that when people mess around in hardcore..
Obviously it's a trade off.... you trade survivability for speed/efficiency (which is a net gain when everyone is on the same page) Obviously there is a downside, any decent warrior knows this. It's pretty lame to see it go wrong and be like "hurr durr if you did THIS" in hindsight
@@chukky1124 because of threat, and furyprot produces far more and does far more dps allowing the group to go all out dps, and a good defense is a good offense since killing things fast means more mana and less time in danger. This isnt retail where a prot spec never under any circumstances ever loses threat. now me personally, i think furyprot is dogshlt for ego-greedos who feel entitled and dont care that it hurts the group and requires 2 healer babysitters.
As a mage, I was often envious of warlocks. Mages can sheep beasts and humanoids, which heals them. Succubus can seduce humanoids on a separate GCD than the warlock's. A skilled group could probably also have someone snare a mob and the warlock fears it, with Curse of Recklessness if it gets too far away. The only cost is dps. The real advantage of a mage is in snares and roots, and a lot of groups don't do a good job taking advantage of that.
"Watching this back to see what we could do better". Lol well you started the fight by skipping some seriously dangerous packs, can stop the vod review there.
Not trying to neg or anything but when soda was like everyone goes slow in hardcore it seemed as if he was speeding up, in gamer pvp mode a bit, charging that next pack instead of watching where the group is. Dangerous with pug, in hc, when you're skipping packs. Should've actually played it slower like people do in hc :/
He did. The dilemma is just whether you should never say "Player X, use Petri", and only say "everyone use Petri now"? Because you're supposed to use it a few seconds after you drop group, once the teleport timer starts. They acknowledged that the BoP was a mistake, resulting from the paladin being confused about whether Soda was AoE taunting. They really had just 2 seconds from Sardaco almost dying (one doggy hit away) and thinking that the tanks were tanking, to Poke being dead because neither warrior could attack. OODA loop.
@@RiskyDramaUploads keyword “shout” in those situations id imagine urgency is everything since it goes from 0 to 100. Poke was not locked in. And pretty sure u can re petri to make sure its over the timer.
@@cshivy Should Soda have used Petri as well when they started shouting it? Note that if he did, then even if he wasn't BoP'd the mobs would have gone for Poke.
Atleast papafang doesnt blame the paly.. who realy did amazing there in a split second decision.. like every other youtoube vido comments about this blame italian guy but pally save 2/3 in a instant.. great play from italien guy.
The shieldwall that both warriors forgot about as they went to 30% (Soda) and 1% (Sardaco), and couldn't activate because they didn't have a shield equipped. Sardaco pressed a macro to switch to shield, but it doesn't work for some reason and he didn't immediately realize it because he said he had his shield on. They said in the review later that they could have shieldwalled; Sardaco was waiting for a heal before AoE taunting and maybe he would have tried shield-walling then and realized he wasn't wearing one. And the paladin said that he BoP'd because his mind registered that Soda had said he was AoE taunting.
so many mistakes lol, healer fucked up the most. like whatch his castbar and who he decides to heal and watch how long it takes for him to bubble the sheep^^ or who he decides to bop (sardaco was almost dead and he decides soda with 60%hp almost no aggro is the right call xd) than he has to loh sardaco because he bop'd the wrong guy and was oom and because hes too sacred to just mana pot (hc petri andys ofc) they wipe. but yeah 100%mages fault because he was random ofc.
mage should have not pull in the first place but its the healer foult he got poly waited like 4s before he bubled, in this situation he should have bubled insta and start healing he waited until war was one hp then bubled and lay of hand, put him self out of mana and could not holy shock poke, pull was mage foult but the fight was Hpala fault
@@monkiez7055this is so wrong for tanking dungeons you have no idea. Bringing a prot warrior as a tank is the smartest thing you can do in HC. These guys almost wiped their group for trying to go fast. Even though they said they’re going slow, they’re are skipping packs that easily get pulled. They were never going slow. They are too drugged up on adderall to ever go slow at all. These egomaniacs keep getting people killed because they refuse to go sword and board. I see it happen in the lvl 20 brackets all the time and now in the 60s it’s more prevalent. They should remove petri from the game so when these idiots mess up like they always do, they will die like they should’ve died many levels ago.
Paladin bop'd soda for no reason and the other warrior petri'd and didn't call it out until soda said it, giving poke like one milisecond to petri before the knock up after every single mob defaulted to him because both warriors were invulnerable with 0 threat.
It went wrong well before that, mage polymorphed skull which then received a warlock dot, paladin got knocked up and polymorphed and had to bubble LoH tank and was definitely in full panic. The fact they didn’t wipe or have more deaths is surprising given the circumstances.
@@nickwilliams3050 this. They walked out healer LoS and forced him into bad position, he got CCed 2x and did everything he could in the pinch to salvage a retarded pull. 🤷🏼♂️
@tomsawyerisme can say that about anything.. including dmt runs as a solo hunter. Actually way faster too. So unless they need the drop off the last boss, it's actually more efficient to have a hunter run it and pay them gold for the chest loot.
Pallies need to learn that you almost never want to bop the tank, as a warrior in that situation it literally feels like you've just been disarmed AND you lose all threat, it also takes a few seconds to even understand whats going on. Thats why chance had to click it off mid fight, he was quick but that extra couple seconds and the threat drop made the difference. It was a high stress moment tho, so i dont fault the healer. He did the best he could in a fucked up situation, clearly mage is the one ultimately at fault. Bop should be for low armour dps imo, or if the tank is super low. he did top'd him up tho so he was good, boping at 50% just wasn't the play. Easy to say with hindsight and when i wasn't the one healing. rip poke
Idk, I feel its a tanking problem in most group wipes. Expecting pugs to just play perfectly is a mistake, always adjust your dungeon routes accordingly. I bear tank one tricked all of regular classic and I tanked dungeons for gold. The temptation to make skips with little room for error especially DM N (HC) of all places is going to send you back to elwynn forest really fast or atleast eat your petri flasks. Save your group, make the extra calculated pull.
I agree, but I also played a frost mage with maximum talents for control and no Piercing Ice (+6% Frost damage). For context, it seems the only reason they were in DM N was for the world buff, and after this disaster they got a hunter to solo it. Humans are always looking for shortcuts. A bit gruesome, but after the 19th-century disaster where a group got trapped in winter snow in California, one of the survivors wrote to her friend in the eastern US and gave her the advice, "don't take shortcuts", with the letter being published in a newspaper.
Everyone screws up in hardcore but its the people that react accordingly that make it to 60 and stay there. Mage may have triggered the situation but Poke didnt react accordingly and paid for it.
A lot of them from what I've seen level legit(ish) once and get mob tagged back to where they were when they died. Between that and petri's it kinda defeats the point of hardcore. It's honestly just 'classic with extra steps'. Same people that will buy boosts when added and just buy another each time they die btw.
It was actually after Petri, and the doggy might have killed him before the LoH without the petri, if you watch Vae's reaction video with Sardaco's POV. Otherwise, I agree. I do criticize him running forward near the start of the fight, which led to him getting uppercutted and meant he wasn't healing while running. I basically only healed in PvP as a paladin at 60, but I think he could have used running time to switch to Blessing of Light. Maybe stun during that time as well.
tbh i dont really care when a full time streamer dies that gets insane help from the guild anyway. It is like 15x more devastating for any regular player lol
Honestly it's Sardaco's fault. The tank is the leader, deciding which path to take, which packs to kill and which packs to skip. Its pretty standard stuff for the tank to warn and let everyone know when to be careful not to pull extra, considering they probably know the dungeon/route better than anyone else. Sardaco obviously knew about this pack and probably wanted to skip it for some reason but decides not to warn anyone about it. The mage didn't need to be in disc for Sardaco to just just warn in group chat not to pull the pack ur randomly deciding to skip
its hard to fault him for the ignorance but yes, having a tank that can have that kind of awareness for everyone is a massive asset, and sardaco invited this risk to occur by not having that. blame the mage for doing it, but sardaco for allowing it to happen. If its a griefer in the group theres not much you can do to stop them besides petri.
Blaming a random for that? Most groups can handle those packs no problem. You've got all those buffs, pots, and even a freakin flask on and you guys couldn't handle that? Actual trash warriors. LOL
big fan of how turtle wow does it. hardcore till 60, then you can die. Can have all the fun of the solo journey and then do that group content if you want at endgame
As a tank, should not only check the mob you want to pull but also check other packs of mob if they might get aggro. Be ready for that, if you can’t handle two pack of mobs, avoid that from beginning, I can see from the clip, the camera was not even checking right side when you go charge the dogs.
1. mage pulled a pack 2. this made the paladin panic and bop the tank 3. this made poke panic, forget his keybind, and try to click petri personally, I don't ever like to bop the main tank, but I also don't like to skip packs in hardcore
I assume he got a proc/realised the mob currently being cast on had too high threat already so cancelled to use on diff mob Bit of a juggle with shadowbolt crit potential
Yep, Nightfall procs. It seems like he should have been using something else, maybe Drain Life, but maybe that was an abnormal rate of proccing. I think retail WoW has a bunch of procs that you're supposed to react to and I wonder if people who play it miscalculate how they should play with Nightfall procs, but I never played a warlock myself. I can just see how spending 1.5 sec casting Shadowbolt, only to interrupt it and use an instant, is inefficient. It might even be less efficient than just continuing the cast, even if it wastes the proc, because if if you interrupt then you start a new GCD at 1.5, don't finish it until 3.0 instead of a new cast at 2.5.
Sardaco put skull on the mob, Poke dotted it with Corruption for Nighfall procs, and maybe a second later the mage finishes his snared walk towards the mob and starts to cast Polymorph on it. At the same time taking heavy damage and almost dying because he had walked into melee range. Soda says some nice things towards the end of his video about how the mage was probably stressed about being stream, etc. From the mage's perspective, he was polymorphing the mob that had attacked him (the other two were already heading towards Sardaco); from Sardaco's perspective, he was saving the mage from the mob that might kill him.
Soda said later on in his stream, "It was three skilled, overconfident players." Anyone in the group could have prevented this death by saying, "Careful on the right." I know I definitely had groups that accidentally pulled a mob pack like this one. The polymorph can be unexpected. First the sheep broke (maybe Deep Wounds dot), then the healer got polymorphed (that's one GCD of not healing), then the mage got polymorphed after having already used Ice Block, so he couldn't do anything to save Poke.
@@RiskyDramaUploads the mage polymorhped a mob marked with skull (uhhhh idk why tbh), and then poke put corruption on it because it had a skull on it so it broke
@@RiskyDramaUploads too bad soda didnt pull the pack of 3 dogs that was patrolling into them as he ran off to pull the next pack, this was on him and no one else
Wasn't the mage's fault. Some inexperienced derp at the start of the clip said "Why do you even need to tank the mobs when they are just dead instantly when you're fury?" And then some other newb replied "Fury is definitely better for dungeons". Thank god that guy isn't a guild leader or something. LOL Could you imagine? "Target Dummies are essential". Blame the pug but honestly he got screwed by joining an inept, unskilled, overconfident and unprepared guild group.
bro, hate thread andy, the mage pulled mobs that he shouldn't have because everyone that has average experience in that dungon have done it that way, their fault is getting someone they dont know how experienced he is.
Yup. Warriors are the best classes for egomaniacs. They refuse to tank properly yet being one of the greatest dungeon tanks in the game. Getting threat as a prot warrior is easier than fury… especially in dungeons. They just want to kill shit faster and take 40% more damage. So when idiots pull an extra pack by “accident” suddenly they’re all dead because??? There was no real tank in the group. Just some parse junkie too hyped up on adderall to properly play the game.
remember always skip that pack with chars that have 5-10 days played to safe 1 minute and give bad players a reason to exist. also always be baked as fuck and do 10 hours playsession so you are not able to react fast and die
Her death is 100% sodas fault, he didnt pull the pack of 3 dogs patrolling into them and instead turned around and pulled another pack... then the magi agros the pack inbetween, and then the 3 dog pack hit them and agroed. Gotta love when the "pros" blame everyone but themselves
It's Miz's fault
It's 80% Miz's fault for sure
80% miz, 10% poke, 10% the mage
Baaaaaased
there is nobody in the group with the name miz ... was it the fault of a ghost?
Rav did say "Pugs can't be trusted.".
Only seeing clips here and there, the most surprising thing is that these guys even thought a PUG was an acceptable idea. Just gotta wait that shit out until you have enough people on.
@@TehMafiaTV seriously and especially with soda in the party too, I actually thought that soda was taking this seriously enough to not make a silly mistake like this, all they needed to do was wait and poke wouldn’t of died
@@bhawkis5755 She died to murlocs before and didn't know murlocs could swim, so chances of her still dying is high.
@@MrRyanfisher the fuck are you talking about
@@MrRyanfisherlol Trollin
People meme it but that's why you need to make the call several times. PETRI PETRI PETRI then breaks whatever overwhelmed feeling everyone has going.
That exhale from Poke after Sofa asks for his perspective… everyone felt that
ive never been into wow and i have no idea what im looking at when i see 10 different bars 100 different icons.. but i respect the mental fortitude to play hardcore
"Everyone goes slow in Hardcore".....not slow enough, not slow enough.
An accumulation of unlucky mistakes, but I blame the first person that agro'd the additional pack, whomever it was.
bop + sardaco petri = all threat onto poke
The paladin said in their review of the death that his mind registered that Soda had said he was AoE taunting. They acknowledged that the BoP was a misplay.
The paladin probably did not actually realize that Sardaco had petried. Less than a second after he says he did, Poke is dead.
They would have had more time, but Poke chose that moment to run forward to cast Curse of Tongues on the casters, although he was in range without running forward. Even then, he would have survived if the Brute had not used four attacks at almost the same time (might be wrong here; why do people never look at their combat log after they die so they can see exactly what killed them), because he was 0.1 sec from clicking petri. Or - get this - if he had lifetapped one fewer time before the start of the fight, since the paladin only had time for one heal which did not bring Poke to full health.
@@RiskyDramaUploads I'm not reading all that
@@richman3424
Soda: "Don't be a hindsight gamer."
@RiskyDramaUploads: /hindsight gamers
Lol that BoP ate pokes face
i dont understand why people dont los pull.... to a spot they know is safe...
Especially with pugs (I mean even in a premade, being careful to not waste 100-300 hours of progress makes sense.)
Not killing the pack that was standing right there, in the doorframe, was the mistake. Don´t take risks in hardcore.
wouldn't be a problem if you hug wall. mage wasn't hugging wall. mage was probably nervous being on stream an being a random
@@Jmakkpoint being that hugging walls and skipping packs is stupid to do in HC. just laziness, hubris, complacency and asking for trouble
@@Jmakk For sure, skipping packs isn't a problem with good execution by the entire group. But relying on good, *consistent* execution is a recipe for inevitable disaster in hardcore.
If it wasn't the pug messing up here, it'd be someone else somewhere else - some inexperienced guildy (or even a good one) in some other raid or dungeon. Even the best players are going to make mistakes eventually; that's why we have clips of people in Nihilum permadying to stupid shit in BRD and whatever - they banter, zone out, cut corners, and rush because they know they're good enough to handle it... right up until it's a bit too much, or they're a bit too unlucky. And then they die.
Bro said “I think I need to go to the hospital” 😂😂
I understand why they don’t have a random in Discord, but I also know that everyone should always be in Discord. Basic communication can prevent a lot.
When Sardaco petrified and Soda got bopped the aggro went to Poke and he got destroyed. Sardaco did call out that he was going to die, and at that point Poke should have roached.
The healer killed Poke by Bop Soda without saying anything all the aggro transferred to the Poke
Is that Tectone jumping in the call straight away to be part of the clip to offer Poke gold if he needs it?
Usually I think Soda is an idiot but for the first time he's said something I fully agree with. "Don't be a hindsight gamer." Too many people watch sit after the fact with tons of other people using video and repeats and then saying you should have done this or that but you only know those things because you watched it after.
The military calls them "After Action Reviews". If you want to get better, you do them.
And in Soda's video, it shows they did do this for the next 10 minutes after this video ends. But I agree, sometimes people do this wrong. (Like assuming that certain information should have influenced a decision, when in fact it was not known or it was too difficult to distinguish from other incoming information. This is why it helps to do it by having people explain what they did and why.)
For example, it seems apparent that many people in this group underestimated these mobs. In that case, the only real solution is "learn the instance better or play extra, extra safe". Case in point: they weren't talking to the mage with in-game chat. That's not playing extra, super-duper safe.
@@RiskyDramaUploads 100% I never played WOW but I have been playing league for years and VOD reviews after games have improved my knowledge so much that it is a must if you actually want to get better and take your skill to the next level. Sometimes it takes seeing your fuckups so they don't happen again.
@@xctkillaprodigyx2586 Obviously there is no problem in reviewing YOUR OWN game and finding out what YOU could have done better, its only when other people try to lecture you that it becomes a problem.
at 0:45 they never look at the right ...
FOR THE HORDE SMOrc FOR THE HORDE SMOrc
Sard was told to petri > Poke told Sard to petri > Poke died. Like bruh if the warriors who have threat are popping petri you need to do it first before they aggro dump. If the dude didnt focus on Sard and instead just popped his own petri he would've lived.
Though props to soda for getting distance and waiting for his party to petri first, did the best he could with a shit situation
Sure, the mage misplayed. But honestly, Poke was just kinda going thru the motions. It's not Pokes fault, but at the same time Poke had time to survive if he was awake and alert. Shit happens fast, especially in HC. Poke could have survived like Sardaco did, but it requires very quick emergency maneuvers. Definitely shitty all around, but there WAS time for recovery if you're quick. Sad to see, sorry it happened
to be fair it looked like tanks were getting back control, but Avail did some questionable things that not only made him lose all his mana, but made both tanks go immune without calling the bop. Poke died before soda realized why he couldnt hold aggro anymore. a simple bop call or a bop instead of lay on hands on sardaco and they all could have lived or even beat the encounter.
I don't understand why people don't use the petri flask the moment they feel at risk...I mean just use it. They act like it costs 10k per pot. Why would you even "think its fine", just use it. If it turns out you didnt have to, unclick it and that's it.
In the longer clip, Poke says he spent a few seconds focused on how his Corruption was going to break the mage's poly. (Corruption landed before the mage started casting poly.) And since the mage wasn't on voice and the mage was focused on not dying (never received any heals, maybe Italianguy was targeting him when cast was interrupted), there was no re-poly.
I'm guessing that Poke's priority were dotting things with Corruption for Nightfall procs, and uncertainty about whether the mage would re-poly meant he didn't want to DoT more. So he was waiting for the mage instead of doing something like casting Curse of Tongues on the casters - which he finally did just before he died.
@@DragonZerul BoP on Sardaco and Sardaco dies (without the flask, though the doggy might have killed him before LoH without the flask). Most of the damage he was taking was magic. Casters were doing 900 damage per cast. You saw the uppercut and the polymorph on Avail (Italianguy) that interrupted two different heals? Between GCD for BoP and 2.5 sec Holy Light time, that's enough for another two frostbolts (1.8k) before Holy Light lands.
So we have at least one commentator who, in the heat of the moment, would have made a decision that let a player die. I'm not saying I'd perform better, of course.
Someone has to make an addon or something that throws you in shitty situations like this so you dont freeze up when it happens at 60
Lolwut? That wouldn't be an addon... that would be something else entirely.. addons don't create gameplay scenarios
@@chillskillz if we can play peggle in wow I think someone can come up with something
I think they have one, it is called practice.
40 seconds in and you can already see how this happened. look how close the mage is to mobs and how wide he cuts around that corner, he isn't aware of aggro range or hugging walls correctly
he doesnt wanna show that pot clicking lol
Yea you don’t need a tank 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Poke didn't pop petri . What a rare sight
He never thinks about these kind of things. He panics a lot in these kind of situations but I guess it happens when you're a noob he'll slowly learn.
@@bigguy1230 I think the point is that Poke pops petri at least once per run normally, usually when he has absolutely no need to.
@@djlovesyou8302 ah I see
sardaco didnt call out shit,.. he said "poke" -> poke dies -> "petri poke" -> *scream*
they should have a universal code for when shit hits the fan, you know like "roach out"
he did say to sardaco to petri that was the time for everyone to petri anyways.
@@chah5001 its not, the time to petri is after you leave party,
and you leave party if everyone agrees its time to roach out. which soda and sardaco didnt made clear.
@@mawhulk you petri so that you dont die, you leave the party, you petri again, if its a situation where someone had to petri with extra mobs and zero agro on them, that means it's a fucky situation, you petri anyways, if the situation seems in control after you petri - some fucking how - you can cancel the first petri and rejoin the fight.
@@chah5001 its really not since he didnt expected it cause soda and sardaco are the ones leading it.. sure you could argue that poke could be a god gamer with inhuman reactions, but its still up to the leader to call out shit like that.
soda and poke are even the ones to point out that sardaco needs to petri and that they need to dip now, and a split second later he died.
you dont expect new players to clutch a 1v5 in CSGO or valorant but sure.. you could argue that they shouldve killed them all for the win.
but only a dumbass would expect that
@@mawhulk the second they said sardo needs to petri thay should have petried thats why poke died, all the mobs on sardo went to poke and killed him, if he had petried he would have been fine, soda was late he almost died too but not too late he petried in time, even poke said later he was too relaxed and thought they had it even when he said to sardo to petri, that was a misjudgment of the situation, +5 mobs fucking everyone with no control in a no tank fast run, it never happens in HC without atleast someone dying, thats petri time.
That bop definitely killed Poke but I can't figure out how that bop even hit soda since the pally was sheeped
no the mage was sheeped
Pally bubbled, mage should have countered 2 mage with poly, counter spell
@@lukerafa5344 He did the first part, but it was on the mage already dotted with Corruption. And I think CS on these mobs isn't that effective since they use three spells schools, all of which are pretty deadly. It basically only means the mob's casting time is wasted, which means ~900 less damage taken, instead of 10 sec of the mob being useless.
Regardless, because the mob walked into the melee mobs, he was already almost dead after he got the poly off. Kept Iceblock on for 6 sec because probably waiting for a heal; if he hadn't, the ogres might have used one of their abilities on him like one uppercutted the paladin a few seconds later as a secondary target within range. He shouldn't have been in range, but after he was, can't criticize keeping Iceblock on in Hardcore. At that moment, he was at the greatest risk of dying in the group, and the others were in danger, they could all have called for a Petri or just ran.
Yes, he should have repoly'd, but maybe he didn't realize it had broken.
I’m going to be real honest here.. this is 10% pokes fault, 10% mage’s fault, and 80% Miz’s fault
Lol
LULW
The man who has probably gone through 30 petri flasks unnecessarily dies because he didn't pop petri. Sad to see this though, he'd been going so well.
Gotta pull anything remotely capable of being body pulled when u got even a single pug in the group. Also they should be having the mage sheep on pull even for those small pulls. Poor poke. o7
tbh, petri culture causes everyone to play worse. i wish that people HAD to rely on skill rather than petris. that pull was very difficult, but managable
This is what Shield Wall is for, right?
... I say as someone who only ever leveled a warrior to 35, and probably never used Shield Wall once
I mean if you're not pugging, I agree mostly. Thing is, pugs can grief or just play like idiots, meaning you can die at no fault of your own...kinda like here.
Petri is kinda lame, but it's the lesser of two evils when you consider how bad some people are and how death can be 100% out of your control otherwise.
@@3lit3gn0m3 Hydra died because they tried to skip a mob pack and later aggroed it.
Poke died because they tried to skip a mob pack and later aggroed it.
100% out of their control?
@@RiskyDramaUploads emphasis on "they". What's Poke supposed to do, demand they clear the entire dungeon in case someone doesn't follow the standard route and ass pulls? It wasn't out of the GROUP 's control, but it certainly was out of the one who died.
@@CaptainSweatpants90what takes less time; clearing a whole dungeon or leveling from 1 to 60?
Someone do the math. Oh wait, never mind, it is painfully obvious.
These guys are kidding right? They literally didn't pull the pats on the right, decide to charge to next pack, and then blame someone else LOL. It was simply a group that was overconfident. Yes the mage shouldn't have pulled but shit happens - that's why you PLAY SAFE AND CLEAR ALL THE PACKS, DONT SKIP THEM
He was too busy greasing his own horn about fury dps
The mage was literally frostbolting the non aggroed pack. It was the mages fault.
yes man surely when the redarded mage pull a pack alone with your tank going to other pack he surely did nothing wrong
Things players could have done better:
Poke: not Life Tap to full mana when healer is only at 60% mana. Just tap once, eat and drink at the same time. Have Succubus out for Seduction. Learn to juggle a mob with Fear + Curse of Recklessness combo (easier if mob is snared). Use Curse of Tongues on casters if he didn't (can't tell from this POV). Edit: he did use it on the two casters just before he died. He said he was focused on the mage sheeping the mob he had DoT'd with corruption, so that may be why he didn't use it earlier. He got hit for 750 x5 in less than a second and was 0.1 sec late in clicking Petri.
Soda: spec for and use Piercing Howl, it's just one talent point and would really help with messy situations like this. Should probably have killed the dogs first.
The PUG mage, Baidsbie: not aggro the mobs. Not try to polymorph a mob with Corruption dot. Not spend 3 seconds on Fire Blast and walking into melee mobs after pulling the extra pack, trying to get LoS for polymorph.
Both warriors: use shield and defensive stance when things get messy instead of dual-wield Berserker stance. Sardaco tried to switch to shield using a macro, but it didn't work for some reason. Edit: use Demoralizing Shout, it's supposedly more effective on elites? Basically, recognizing when mitigating incoming damage is more important than dealing damage.
Italianguy and entire group: better positioning so paly healer doesn't have to reposition, since no instant heals except Holy Shock. From 0:58, no heals until 1:09 because Italianguy ran and was next to an ogre which backhanded him (avoidable if far away) to interrupt a heal. Stay in LoS of your healer. Instead of running forward, Italianguy could have said in Discord to stay in LoS.
Everyone: communicate in party chat to the PUG mage who wasn't in voice chat.
RIP, Pokelawlstwo.
Pokelawlsthree let’s go agane
I hella wouldn't be out of discord at 60.
Poke knows he messed up. Easy to blame the mage. But mistakes happen and also bad luck happens. But it is the resposiblility of the player to know when to pull the parachute. Poke even said he should of done it.
The fact that they skipped a pact that would have been easy to handle when they KNEW they had a pug is total negligence on Soda's part and its easy for everyone to throw blame at the random who quite literally isn't able to defend themselves. Confirmation bias situation.
Italian guy needs to save bop for range /clothies. Bop on soda was a miss play. Hopefully someone told him.
1. Tank needed to not skip that pack at the doorway, that’s negligent for DMN HC
2. Need faster raid marks to sheep before the ogre mage used sheep
3. Sloppy aggro forced a poor main tank bop, got next in threat one shotted
4. 2 warriors, each needs to grab loose casters and tank/kick them till stable
Soda was not the main tank.
Get that guild blacklist goin. Only way to survive pugging in HC.
EVERYONE misplayed in this clip. Tank should have known better than to trust a pug mage NOT in discord to NOT body pull. They're all shouting at the mage NOT in discord to sheep lol wtf. Poke shouldn't have corrupted sheep target. Soda was cleaving when he should have been interrupting the mage that was clearcasting because it wasn't CCd. Pally panic bop'd Soda WITHOUT WARNING at 2/3 hp when he just had 2 dogs and a brute on him which considering Soda's gear+pot isn't THAT bad and could have been managed for long enough till the brute+mage died. Honestly this was very recoverable if so many people didn't fuck up all at once and had just communicated better.
Soda needs a WA with bop in the center honestly
To be fair, not killing the pack in the door way was a mistake. Sure the mage pulled, but everyone was so quick to blame the 'mystery guy' but not Soda who, as the tank, should have taken the other pack into consideration before the pull which led to an accumulation of unlucky mistakes. Shit happens but it was not one singular persons error here.
if they had a prot warrior he could tank all those mobs with out getting rekt
but furyprot meta they're leather dps daddies
It’s a beautiful sight isn’t it?
i still dont understand that... if a prot warrior litterally specced and holding a shield can hold all that. then why let a fury tank... the prot spec is there for a reason in my opinion... its still alot of damage reduc etc when specced in it. i dont like that when people mess around in hardcore..
Obviously it's a trade off.... you trade survivability for speed/efficiency (which is a net gain when everyone is on the same page)
Obviously there is a downside, any decent warrior knows this. It's pretty lame to see it go wrong and be like "hurr durr if you did THIS" in hindsight
@@chukky1124 because of threat, and furyprot produces far more and does far more dps allowing the group to go all out dps, and a good defense is a good offense since killing things fast means more mana and less time in danger. This isnt retail where a prot spec never under any circumstances ever loses threat.
now me personally, i think furyprot is dogshlt for ego-greedos who feel entitled and dont care that it hurts the group and requires 2 healer babysitters.
Mages can make or break a DM tribute run. To bad no CS or sheep landed cuz they'd have been fine even with that face pull.
As a mage, I was often envious of warlocks.
Mages can sheep beasts and humanoids, which heals them. Succubus can seduce humanoids on a separate GCD than the warlock's. A skilled group could probably also have someone snare a mob and the warlock fears it, with Curse of Recklessness if it gets too far away. The only cost is dps.
The real advantage of a mage is in snares and roots, and a lot of groups don't do a good job taking advantage of that.
Why would you go up the middle like that lol
To be fair, Soda also kinda went up the middle but then hugged the wall. They all just got careless.
"Watching this back to see what we could do better". Lol well you started the fight by skipping some seriously dangerous packs, can stop the vod review there.
Italianguy killed Poke.
the BoP on tank killed poke.
"hardcore" when everyone has 20 petri flasks and buys gold. xDDD
Not trying to neg or anything but when soda was like everyone goes slow in hardcore it seemed as if he was speeding up, in gamer pvp mode a bit, charging that next pack instead of watching where the group is. Dangerous with pug, in hc, when you're skipping packs. Should've actually played it slower like people do in hc :/
I have up on randoms and pugs in Uldaman 2005....
Did you play early enough that Ironaya showed up as a skull boss?
LOL they are all guna die on the first boss in molten, if they even all get there
Gotta shout the petri
He did. The dilemma is just whether you should never say "Player X, use Petri", and only say "everyone use Petri now"? Because you're supposed to use it a few seconds after you drop group, once the teleport timer starts.
They acknowledged that the BoP was a mistake, resulting from the paladin being confused about whether Soda was AoE taunting. They really had just 2 seconds from Sardaco almost dying (one doggy hit away) and thinking that the tanks were tanking, to Poke being dead because neither warrior could attack.
OODA loop.
@@RiskyDramaUploads keyword “shout” in those situations id imagine urgency is everything since it goes from 0 to 100. Poke was not locked in. And pretty sure u can re petri to make sure its over the timer.
@@cshivy Should Soda have used Petri as well when they started shouting it?
Note that if he did, then even if he wasn't BoP'd the mobs would have gone for Poke.
Maybe Prot spec might have been more useful?
Pugs can't be trusted
Atleast papafang doesnt blame the paly.. who realy did amazing there in a split second decision.. like every other youtoube vido comments about this blame italian guy but pally save 2/3 in a instant.. great play from italien guy.
Yeah bop the warrior tank who still have shieldwall so the warlock gets the agro.. seems like a good plan..
The shieldwall that both warriors forgot about as they went to 30% (Soda) and 1% (Sardaco), and couldn't activate because they didn't have a shield equipped.
Sardaco pressed a macro to switch to shield, but it doesn't work for some reason and he didn't immediately realize it because he said he had his shield on.
They said in the review later that they could have shieldwalled; Sardaco was waiting for a heal before AoE taunting and maybe he would have tried shield-walling then and realized he wasn't wearing one.
And the paladin said that he BoP'd because his mind registered that Soda had said he was AoE taunting.
@@RiskyDramaUploads 1 warrior with BoP and 1 warrior with petri.. at the same time..yeah goodbye Poke..:)
so many mistakes lol, healer fucked up the most. like whatch his castbar and who he decides to heal and watch how long it takes for him to bubble the sheep^^
or who he decides to bop (sardaco was almost dead and he decides soda with 60%hp almost no aggro is the right call xd) than he has to loh sardaco because he bop'd the wrong guy and was oom and because hes too sacred to just mana pot (hc petri andys ofc) they wipe. but yeah 100%mages fault because he was random ofc.
mage should have not pull in the first place but its the healer foult he got poly waited like 4s before he bubled, in this situation he should have bubled insta and start healing he waited until war was one hp then bubled and lay of hand, put him self out of mana and could not holy shock poke, pull was mage foult but the fight was Hpala fault
DMN ogres fuck HARD, even bwl+ geared.
Not going prot after level 50 is dumb. Less damage mitigation= more strain on the healer
mobs die faster= less strain on healer almost just as much
@@monkiez7055 If he tried to tank that with fury he would of died. Zero strain on healer if the tank is dead
@@monkiez7055this is so wrong for tanking dungeons you have no idea. Bringing a prot warrior as a tank is the smartest thing you can do in HC. These guys almost wiped their group for trying to go fast. Even though they said they’re going slow, they’re are skipping packs that easily get pulled. They were never going slow. They are too drugged up on adderall to ever go slow at all.
These egomaniacs keep getting people killed because they refuse to go sword and board. I see it happen in the lvl 20 brackets all the time and now in the 60s it’s more prevalent.
They should remove petri from the game so when these idiots mess up like they always do, they will die like they should’ve died many levels ago.
Paladin bop'd soda for no reason and the other warrior petri'd and didn't call it out until soda said it, giving poke like one milisecond to petri before the knock up after every single mob defaulted to him because both warriors were invulnerable with 0 threat.
It went wrong well before that, mage polymorphed skull which then received a warlock dot, paladin got knocked up and polymorphed and had to bubble LoH tank and was definitely in full panic. The fact they didn’t wipe or have more deaths is surprising given the circumstances.
lol he was dead if he didnt bop.
@@nickwilliams3050no he wasn’t he was 60% hp with no mobs near him when he got bop’d
lmao yeah bop was so stupid
@@nickwilliams3050 this. They walked out healer LoS and forced him into bad position, he got CCed 2x and did everything he could in the pinch to salvage a retarded pull. 🤷🏼♂️
poke so sorry. damn that hurts
Its always DMN.. just have a hunter do this with petris no?
It's not hard to do the dungeon if you're paying attention.
@tomsawyerisme can say that about anything.. including dmt runs as a solo hunter. Actually way faster too. So unless they need the drop off the last boss, it's actually more efficient to have a hunter run it and pay them gold for the chest loot.
They used a hunter's solo tribute run after this to get the buff.
Pallies need to learn that you almost never want to bop the tank, as a warrior in that situation it literally feels like you've just been disarmed AND you lose all threat, it also takes a few seconds to even understand whats going on. Thats why chance had to click it off mid fight, he was quick but that extra couple seconds and the threat drop made the difference. It was a high stress moment tho, so i dont fault the healer. He did the best he could in a fucked up situation, clearly mage is the one ultimately at fault. Bop should be for low armour dps imo, or if the tank is super low. he did top'd him up tho so he was good, boping at 50% just wasn't the play. Easy to say with hindsight and when i wasn't the one healing. rip poke
He said he did it because he thought Soda was AoE taunting.
Idk, I feel its a tanking problem in most group wipes. Expecting pugs to just play perfectly is a mistake, always adjust your dungeon routes accordingly. I bear tank one tricked all of regular classic and I tanked dungeons for gold. The temptation to make skips with little room for error especially DM N (HC) of all places is going to send you back to elwynn forest really fast or atleast eat your petri flasks. Save your group, make the extra calculated pull.
I agree, but I also played a frost mage with maximum talents for control and no Piercing Ice (+6% Frost damage). For context, it seems the only reason they were in DM N was for the world buff, and after this disaster they got a hunter to solo it. Humans are always looking for shortcuts.
A bit gruesome, but after the 19th-century disaster where a group got trapped in winter snow in California, one of the survivors wrote to her friend in the eastern US and gave her the advice, "don't take shortcuts", with the letter being published in a newspaper.
This is why i never group aka i am a holy paladin 60
Everyone screws up in hardcore but its the people that react accordingly that make it to 60 and stay there. Mage may have triggered the situation but Poke didnt react accordingly and paid for it.
poke played that about as well as the mage did lol
does everyone get mob tagged and boosted to 60?
A lot of them from what I've seen level legit(ish) once and get mob tagged back to where they were when they died. Between that and petri's it kinda defeats the point of hardcore.
It's honestly just 'classic with extra steps'.
Same people that will buy boosts when added and just buy another each time they die btw.
Yes a majority of the guild utilizes every advantage available to level to 60. Mob tagging, quest turn ins, etc.
Yes they get their simps to level them to 60 and they buy gold off g2g or their simps buy gold and gift it to them.
better get Miz tanking
You dont have to cancel petri to use another one noob
God damn Miz again!
Don't be a hindsight gamer, and all the people in the comments are hindsight gamers, pretty ironic and funny.
Actually a massive clutch LoH though. Paladin played that as well as he could.
he literally killed poke by putting bop on soda. you should rewatch the clip he fucked up hard
It was actually after Petri, and the doggy might have killed him before the LoH without the petri, if you watch Vae's reaction video with Sardaco's POV.
Otherwise, I agree. I do criticize him running forward near the start of the fight, which led to him getting uppercutted and meant he wasn't healing while running.
I basically only healed in PvP as a paladin at 60, but I think he could have used running time to switch to Blessing of Light. Maybe stun during that time as well.
tbh i dont really care when a full time streamer dies that gets insane help from the guild anyway. It is like 15x more devastating for any regular player lol
Sorry, I am a noob here why does not dying too important in WOW?
The amount of videos they’ve seen of people dying here and they’re still skipping packs due to the sheer overconfidence cracks me up.
Pulling without going to full mana before every pull
Group had bad situational awareness. Bad communication. TANK is supposed to tell group what they DO NOT SEE. -FKP goes to Soda.
soda was dps tho
Honestly it's Sardaco's fault. The tank is the leader, deciding which path to take, which packs to kill and which packs to skip.
Its pretty standard stuff for the tank to warn and let everyone know when to be careful not to pull extra, considering they probably know the dungeon/route better than anyone else. Sardaco obviously knew about this pack and probably wanted to skip it for some reason but decides not to warn anyone about it. The mage didn't need to be in disc for Sardaco to just just warn in group chat not to pull the pack ur randomly deciding to skip
its hard to fault him for the ignorance but yes, having a tank that can have that kind of awareness for everyone is a massive asset, and sardaco invited this risk to occur by not having that. blame the mage for doing it, but sardaco for allowing it to happen. If its a griefer in the group theres not much you can do to stop them besides petri.
Blaming a random for that? Most groups can handle those packs no problem. You've got all those buffs, pots, and even a freakin flask on and you guys couldn't handle that? Actual trash warriors. LOL
how many deaths are because of pugs? thats on the leader 100%
back to the forest to kill some wolfs scrub
Hardcore is so stupid for this reason. 1 idiot ruins your character you spent 150 hours on
big fan of how turtle wow does it. hardcore till 60, then you can die. Can have all the fun of the solo journey and then do that group content if you want at endgame
As a tank, should not only check the mob you want to pull but also check other packs of mob if they might get aggro. Be ready for that, if you can’t handle two pack of mobs, avoid that from beginning, I can see from the clip, the camera was not even checking right side when you go charge the dogs.
That sucks
You went into the dungeon with a random, your fault. lol
paladin healer BoP main tank is why poke died. it was recoverable, but u guys paniced super hard
1. mage pulled a pack
2. this made the paladin panic and bop the tank
3. this made poke panic, forget his keybind, and try to click petri
personally, I don't ever like to bop the main tank, but I also don't like to skip packs in hardcore
@@billtalent1 Bopping the main tank in hardcore is bold at least...Depending on your group thats a guaranteed death
Im new to the game, I saw Poke jumping forwards constantly midcast of his shadow ability. Is that normal or was he high or something?
I assume he got a proc/realised the mob currently being cast on had too high threat already so cancelled to use on diff mob
Bit of a juggle with shadowbolt crit potential
Yep, Nightfall procs. It seems like he should have been using something else, maybe Drain Life, but maybe that was an abnormal rate of proccing.
I think retail WoW has a bunch of procs that you're supposed to react to and I wonder if people who play it miscalculate how they should play with Nightfall procs, but I never played a warlock myself. I can just see how spending 1.5 sec casting Shadowbolt, only to interrupt it and use an instant, is inefficient. It might even be less efficient than just continuing the cast, even if it wastes the proc, because if if you interrupt then you start a new GCD at 1.5, don't finish it until 3.0 instead of a new cast at 2.5.
Streamer mentality: when shit hits the fan blame everybody but themselves. Esfand pulled the same BS.
That's just how a lot of people are, not just streamers.
@@dylanisonfireOG this guys only socializing is streamers, so its only reference point lol
No more uggo randos. Simple as
Not nearly as devastating when you're such a big streamer.
Ripbozo
Losers lose
a mage doing trash dps with bald in their name, at best its a bad player. rip poke
Easy to blame a random. But bopping the tank was not a good idea it made the tank lose aggro.
All I see is a mob being sheeped and then sheep breaking immediately. Dunno who broke the sheep. Don't break the effin sheep.
Sardaco put skull on the mob, Poke dotted it with Corruption for Nighfall procs, and maybe a second later the mage finishes his snared walk towards the mob and starts to cast Polymorph on it. At the same time taking heavy damage and almost dying because he had walked into melee range. Soda says some nice things towards the end of his video about how the mage was probably stressed about being stream, etc.
From the mage's perspective, he was polymorphing the mob that had attacked him (the other two were already heading towards Sardaco); from Sardaco's perspective, he was saving the mage from the mob that might kill him.
poke messed up. easy to blame the mage
melee warlock
@@drewjozz when soda got bopped the mob melee'd poke. the bop got him killed.
Soda said later on in his stream, "It was three skilled, overconfident players." Anyone in the group could have prevented this death by saying, "Careful on the right." I know I definitely had groups that accidentally pulled a mob pack like this one. The polymorph can be unexpected. First the sheep broke (maybe Deep Wounds dot), then the healer got polymorphed (that's one GCD of not healing), then the mage got polymorphed after having already used Ice Block, so he couldn't do anything to save Poke.
@@RiskyDramaUploads the mage polymorhped a mob marked with skull (uhhhh idk why tbh), and then poke put corruption on it because it had a skull on it so it broke
@@RiskyDramaUploads too bad soda didnt pull the pack of 3 dogs that was patrolling into them as he ran off to pull the next pack, this was on him and no one else
Lol hardcore sucks why put yourself through that
Wasn't the mage's fault. Some inexperienced derp at the start of the clip said "Why do you even need to tank the mobs when they are just dead instantly when you're fury?" And then some other newb replied "Fury is definitely better for dungeons". Thank god that guy isn't a guild leader or something. LOL Could you imagine? "Target Dummies are essential". Blame the pug but honestly he got screwed by joining an inept, unskilled, overconfident and unprepared guild group.
lmfao aint no way
bro, hate thread andy, the mage pulled mobs that he shouldn't have because everyone that has average experience in that dungon have done it that way, their fault is getting someone they dont know how experienced he is.
Yup. Warriors are the best classes for egomaniacs. They refuse to tank properly yet being one of the greatest dungeon tanks in the game.
Getting threat as a prot warrior is easier than fury… especially in dungeons. They just want to kill shit faster and take 40% more damage. So when idiots pull an extra pack by “accident” suddenly they’re all dead because??? There was no real tank in the group. Just some parse junkie too hyped up on adderall to properly play the game.
remember always skip that pack with chars that have 5-10 days played to safe 1 minute and give bad players a reason to exist. also always be baked as fuck and do 10 hours playsession so you are not able to react fast and die
Lmaooo this guild is never getting to MC
I think they're already at 40 level 60s
Her death is 100% sodas fault, he didnt pull the pack of 3 dogs patrolling into them and instead turned around and pulled another pack... then the magi agros the pack inbetween, and then the 3 dog pack hit them and agroed. Gotta love when the "pros" blame everyone but themselves