"If you try to over-complicate primitive archery, it's like you gonna fight it every step of the way". Best words I've heard in months about primitive archery. Thank you. Thank you very much.
Made my first bow in january just a month before i found your channel. Then i noticed all the mistakes i made during the crafting, next january i will apply a lot of things that i learned in this channel on my next bow. Thanks for the information, im studying antropology and going forward for archeology, your channel has been helping me out along the year! thank you very much!!
Speaking of improvisation... I built my first juniper bow. After finger-straightening some hackberry suckers all week for arrows I had an idea. More "modern primitive", maybe! ua-cam.com/video/LUeNoSgMTM8/v-deo.html
You nailed it right on the head. I have a 60# longbow I used to shoot and one of the hardest things I ever had to do was find arrows for it. People that said they could do it just couldn't. One guy built arrows for me and I ended up getting a fletch through my hand when it came off the shaft.
Right on about the “leg work” or dirt time. And not over complicating it. When I transitioned from so-called traditional to primitive, I really had to change how I shot. I hold the bow differently, draw and release differently, the whole 9 yards. It was great for me. I feel like I’m more flexible and more in tune with my gear. My shooting is more dynamic and fluid now. And definitely less thinky-thinky and more feely-feely.
This brings me back to the concept of knowledge itself. The modern concept of knowledge tends to be knowledge by reference -the knowledge is out there, the best practitioners add to the body of knowledge but the fundamentals can be referenced by anyone and will be correct for everyone. This is not the ancient concept of knowledge. To the ancients, knowledge is by acquaintance. You have to get acquainted with your subject personally to know it. This difference comes out in the early philosophers but it is most easily illustrated by saying its the difference between workign on your car and working on your marriage.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the tapered shafts are important for the primitive stuff. I have a whole discussion about this but simple form is I made a bow and four way different arrows and all shot straight. The only connection is all the arrows were tapered. 2 different types of cane and 2 that I put 20 inch tapers on.
I want to make a flint bison skinner knife If I buy the premium Edwards plateau chert would they be big enough or should I buy a box of clunkies. Also congrats on 100k
Clunkies will not be the right sizes for you. I would go with at least 10lbs of Edwards chert and drop a note at checkout that you would like bigger pieces for knife blades.
Or you could use the thumb draw method that reduce the problem of arrow touching the bow compared to three fingers mediterranean draw. However I need to caution people that thumb ring is also important not for the drawing but also for the finger where you rest your arrow near the bow. I got mine swollen with infection. Did not realise that small scratches by dirty fletching zipping past the skin could cause a bad injury...maybe after a few hundred draw the infection increased with more dirt pushed into the flesh. Also the moving thumb joints keep opening up the scratches and increased the inflamation. I had to cut open the flesh to drain out the puss. It's just minor scratching on the skin but badly infected underneath.
@@mortenjacobsen5673 Archery cultures probably knew instinctively that a strong bow needed a stiff arrow, but the obsession with precise spine is modern equipment fetishism.
@@calvinmondrago7397 no arab archery has a spine chart. And since archery has been around after Newton some one should have considered retro fiting or apply the science, but wood is not uniform so whats the point when you can compensate, then eston came out with the alu arrows and could make them uniform, and the spine was a dumb down consumer sales gimick.
@@mortenjacobsen5673 I wondered about Arab archery literature. The Thomson bros. mentioned using reed (cane?) arrows for shooting game birds, no mention of spine. Are you saying that spine is/is mostly a modern fiction used to sell arrows? Very interesting.
@@calvinmondrago7397 no am saying its important if you want consistantcy and why bother to practice and perfecting teknuiqe if your arrows are all over the place? To light arrow and the bow might explode also
Yes there is a formula! But its complicated like a 3 way equation where eatch side of the synergi triangle has its own set of variables, then you have to devide or balance that against the rule of avrages and multiply that with the human error factor.
Well said Ryan. The arrow is definitely more critical than the bow with primitive archery. Any idea when your data will be available on the light arrow hunting you've been doing? Im looking forward to those results.
It's currently in the works, but it's one chapter of another very large project. I am hoping to have it all published before the new year though. We have lots and lots of data sheets filled out with good results.
Primitive: Relating to the earliest age ore belonging to or characteristic of an early stage of development. Traditional :Existing in or as part of a tradition; long-established. Means a time-honored custom, belief or behavior (folk custom) passed down within a group or society with symbolic meaning or special significance with origins in the past. Cultural continuity.
In archery we regard trad and primitive as the the same but primitive is considered more historic without the fiberglass and plastic, kyodo is tradition but use modern fiberglass bows, and if you have a historic bow, primitive it can be natural yet composit like laminated or horn. Or a self bow. The physics of archery are the same regardles of the ramblings in this video.
Assuming I live to retirement age, I plan on getting into more of the primitive side of traditional archery. Primitive archery seems much more involved(in a good way), it's more like full-time vs. part time work(primitive being the full-time avocation:)
"If you try to over-complicate primitive archery, it's like you gonna fight it every step of the way".
Best words I've heard in months about primitive archery. Thank you. Thank you very much.
You must have lived in silence
Made my first bow in january just a month before i found your channel. Then i noticed all the mistakes i made during the crafting, next january i will apply a lot of things that i learned in this channel on my next bow. Thanks for the information, im studying antropology and going forward for archeology, your channel has been helping me out along the year! thank you very much!!
Congrats on the 100k subs. Love the content as always. :)
much appreciates, thank you, and thanks for following along
Speaking of improvisation... I built my first juniper bow. After finger-straightening some hackberry suckers all week for arrows I had an idea. More "modern primitive", maybe!
ua-cam.com/video/LUeNoSgMTM8/v-deo.html
You nailed it right on the head. I have a 60# longbow I used to shoot and one of the hardest things I ever had to do was find arrows for it. People that said they could do it just couldn't. One guy built arrows for me and I ended up getting a fletch through my hand when it came off the shaft.
Sorry for the rambling below. Thank you for the great video's Ryan!
Right on about the “leg work” or dirt time. And not over complicating it. When I transitioned from so-called traditional to primitive, I really had to change how I shot. I hold the bow differently, draw and release differently, the whole 9 yards. It was great for me. I feel like I’m more flexible and more in tune with my gear. My shooting is more dynamic and fluid now. And definitely less thinky-thinky and more feely-feely.
This brings me back to the concept of knowledge itself. The modern concept of knowledge tends to be knowledge by reference -the knowledge is out there, the best practitioners add to the body of knowledge but the fundamentals can be referenced by anyone and will be correct for everyone. This is not the ancient concept of knowledge. To the ancients, knowledge is by acquaintance. You have to get acquainted with your subject personally to know it. This difference comes out in the early philosophers but it is most easily illustrated by saying its the difference between workign on your car and working on your marriage.
Can you expand on primitive/ stoneground life... hide tanning, food prep/ preservation, daily life..??
Do you recommend any sights for Bows that allows Night shooting?
How much is the cost for a bow like the your??
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the tapered shafts are important for the primitive stuff. I have a whole discussion about this but simple form is I made a bow and four way different arrows and all shot straight. The only connection is all the arrows were tapered. 2 different types of cane and 2 that I put 20 inch tapers on.
I want to make a flint bison skinner knife If I buy the premium Edwards plateau chert would they be big enough or should I buy a box of clunkies.
Also congrats on 100k
Clunkies will not be the right sizes for you. I would go with at least 10lbs of Edwards chert and drop a note at checkout that you would like bigger pieces for knife blades.
Thanks
Or you could use the thumb draw method that reduce the problem of arrow touching the bow compared to three fingers mediterranean draw. However I need to caution people that thumb ring is also important not for the drawing but also for the finger where you rest your arrow near the bow. I got mine swollen with infection. Did not realise that small scratches by dirty fletching zipping past the skin could cause a bad injury...maybe after a few hundred draw the infection increased with more dirt pushed into the flesh. Also the moving thumb joints keep opening up the scratches and increased the inflamation. I had to cut open the flesh to drain out the puss. It's just minor scratching on the skin but badly infected underneath.
Newton 3rd law stil apply, you will have the same issues.
Buenos videos gracias por su birlos
Neither Saxton Pope in "Hunting With The Bow and Arrow", nor Maurice Thompson in "Witchery of Archery", mentions arrow spine.
And no modern sources talk about Newton either , until now. , but this video just copy paste old middinformation. Same science for primitive as trad.
@@mortenjacobsen5673 Archery cultures probably knew instinctively that a strong bow needed a stiff arrow, but the obsession with precise spine is modern equipment fetishism.
@@calvinmondrago7397 no arab archery has a spine chart. And since archery has been around after Newton some one should have considered retro fiting or apply the science, but wood is not uniform so whats the point when you can compensate, then eston came out with the alu arrows and could make them uniform, and the spine was a dumb down consumer sales gimick.
@@mortenjacobsen5673 I wondered about Arab archery literature. The Thomson bros. mentioned using reed (cane?) arrows for shooting game birds, no mention of spine. Are you saying that spine is/is mostly a modern fiction used to sell arrows? Very interesting.
@@calvinmondrago7397 no am saying its important if you want consistantcy and why bother to practice and perfecting teknuiqe if your arrows are all over the place? To light arrow and the bow might explode also
Thanks Ryan. This video made some important clarifications after the arrow spine video.
Yes there is a formula! But its complicated like a 3 way equation where eatch side of the synergi triangle has its own set of variables, then you have to devide or balance that against the rule of avrages and multiply that with the human error factor.
Well said Ryan. The arrow is definitely more critical than the bow with primitive archery. Any idea when your data will be available on the light arrow hunting you've been doing? Im looking forward to those results.
It's currently in the works, but it's one chapter of another very large project. I am hoping to have it all published before the new year though. We have lots and lots of data sheets filled out with good results.
Primitive: Relating to the earliest age ore belonging to or characteristic of an early stage of development.
Traditional :Existing in or as part of a tradition; long-established. Means a time-honored custom, belief or behavior (folk custom) passed down within a group or society with symbolic meaning or special significance with origins in the past. Cultural continuity.
In archery we regard trad and primitive as the the same but primitive is considered more historic without the fiberglass and plastic, kyodo is tradition but use modern fiberglass bows, and if you have a historic bow, primitive it can be natural yet composit like laminated or horn. Or a self bow. The physics of archery are the same regardles of the ramblings in this video.
Reminds me of people that say you can't shoot on the right because they tried it once and it didn't immediately work for them lol.
I happy
“Hey man, your arrows suck!” lol 😂
Assuming I live to retirement age, I plan on getting into more of the primitive side of traditional archery. Primitive archery seems much more involved(in a good way), it's more like full-time vs. part time work(primitive being the full-time avocation:)
Shooting an arrow well is the same amount of work regardles of the bow, Even compound
trad just means no wheels and cables, just a stick and a string , primitive is a stick and a string, its trad