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Thanks for the Belated Christmas gift. God bless and Happy New Year. BTW. Here's another infamous UA-camr you might want to take a crack at- Micheal Green (KidBehindACamera)
As I heard someone say; Doug's greatest strength is also his biggest weakness. He's basically immune to criticism, brushing it off like it's nothing or playing along with it. It's incredible for him because he's never discouraged and never crushed by people making fun of him or parodying his stuff. Yet that same issue is the flaw, as any problems you have with his work he just shrugs it off, so he never feels the need to change. The heaviest armor is great for blocking swords, terrible if you're trying to swim.
Great take and a good lesson to learn both ways. From a viewers perspective, a big reason I like Doug is actually that his positivity comes through his videos, while many of his old peers may go more in depth but leave me feeling drained and depressed with their content. I think it's important to recognise the merit of both types of content. I also think it's a lot healthier to accept that you'll never be the best at something, but it is important to strive to improve as a species nonetheless - it's a difficult line to walk in life.
Worth noting that that was actually a *learned* skill of his, which is stunning considering how little he's managed to learn since then. This is basically the only retrospective on CA that I've seen that actually mentions the Bart's Nightmare let's play, but it totally skips over how unbelievably fuckin salty he was over people not liking it. The video the following week mostly consisted of him indignantly growling about how "I give you all this hilarious content week after week for free and you ingrates have the *audacity* to not like it once?!". The fact that he's been able to just completely brush off and laugh about a notorious bomb like The Wall review shows that his skin has gotten impenetrably thick in the decade since. Such a shame that he managed to develop literally zero other skills.
100% agree. I remember watching his countdown videos that counted down the "Top Nostalgia Critic F Ups" and thinking to myself how defensive he was every single time. Like, he would name a mistake he made and follow up with a "BUT TO BE FAIR..." or something of that nature, explaining why he wasn't wrong in whatever the "F Up" was.
"Doug wants to be a filmmaker, he wants to make art, but he can't, because he's a fundamentally incurious person who isn't much interested in what other people think or feel, and all his ideas boil down to “What if Batman met Mario?”." - Dan Olson
Somehow Dan Olson destroyed the career and reputation of someone who's been doing UA-cam and content creation for nearly 20 years with a single sentence.
@@docvince1491 Citation needed; anything I can find on that talks about how he reported this stuff to site admins and the necessary authorities. Unless you're trying to cite Kiwifarms which... not a reliable source, sorry.
@UCJDZgPeNqPvKJp4rJW2GSEQ Nah bro that was made up. He contributed to some doc about CP on 4chan, some guys over there got mad about it and they fabricated the claim that he personally watches CP.
To be fair, that was also kind of the charm of it, just never knowing what the hell you were stepping into. Sure, nowadays *no* one would or even should tolerate early UA-cam standards if transported straight into 2023, what with *literally* not knowing what the hell you are about to watch every time you click on a video (if it's going to be a screamer, a Rick Roll, lewd content, linking you/encouraging you to fall into scams or malware, complete misinformation or just abhorrently low quality), but even though I have very little ground to really defend it, I can't deny I miss the feeling of UA-cam feeling like a playground full of potential adventures. Heck, I kind of miss all those years I browsed UA-cam without an account, when it felt relatively "normal" to browse around certain websites without registering.
@@FamilyTeamGaming its also just all the extra guidelines and how much has changed for creators themselves. youtube now feels very “clinical” and “heavily produced” to a certain extent yk. back then just felt like regular people getting online and talking about what they like or dislike etc. felt like. we were watching and interacting with friends. now everything has an aura of (these are very much shows, creators etc) that regular person/ friend feeling is gone if ANY of that made any sense lmao
@@Kaimerah sooo true, this was after my hay day of being into social media trends but that’s probably why tiktoks popped off how they did because it felt organic and low quality at first. now they’re high quality ring light, 4k quality, perfection compared to some that are just as popular on the app with no editing. The sterile, clean infects anything after a while
I think a major problem with Pop Quiz Hotshot is a combination of the facts that Doug just _cannot_ handle not being the funniest person in the room, and that it's really, _really_ easy to find rooms with people who are funnier than Doug Walker in them.
I kinda got that vibe w/ him really wanting to find "Ed" not funny when there were a number of things that made me chuckle w/ him while he's so insistently "NOPE ya gotta die".
Plus the endless movie quote trivia was f*ing mind-numbing. Seriously, ONE type of question, over and over. 😖 I'm not bursting with ideas myself but I at least would've had the brains to look at some of the hundreds of other game shows in existence for "inspiration".
I almost refuse to believe Doug Walker could make content for so long without figuring out lighting, audio, white balance, blocking, composition, or even how to tell a story. And yet here we are.
Kevin Smith has been directing for almost three decades and yet still doesn't know the first thing about any of those stuff. Hell, Bruce Willis called him out on that during the making of Cop Out.
I mean, just look at DSP. The dood can't even use OBS properly besides pressing the Record/Stream button. Can't adjust audio levels well, can't adjust white balance well, can't ensure good lighting, still struggles with even using scenes in OBS, let alone creating ones himself. Takes him 15 minutes to discover a disconnected HDMI cable. Not to mention he can't act to save his life, is more boring that watching paint dry and the only way he knows how to at least try and be funny is by insulting someone, preferrably involving gay, racist or scat "humor". And he's been doing YT and streaming for 15(ish) years now...
that angry joe interview was _painful_ to watch. he doesn't just come across unprepared, he comes across like he thinks he's too good to prepare and already knows everything.
As somebody that knows that mentality from living it firsthand, the secondhand cringe of watching somebody going into an interview with an actual figurehead in the industry with the same mentality of me walking up to do my presentation in 10th grade history... holy shit.
Jeff Keighley wasn't even blowing him off. He's a busy man, and Joe was shoving the microphone in his face, loudly (and self-righteously) demanding answers; Keighley was answering him as best he could. And then Joe asked *the same questions* at the panel.
My brother loved The Wall. He introduced me to it, and he would listen to it over and over and learn the songs and make pedals to recreate the sound of it. He died in 2016, and now I have another thing I'm grateful he didn't have to experience.
There are times I truly, genuinely feel empathy for Doug Walker. It cannot be easy to be so driven, to have such a passion (for filmmaking, in this case), and yet to be SO BAD at it, no matter how long you work at it. Gotta be tough.
If memory serves, Ed Wood is one of his favorite movies for a similar reason. The tragedy is for a good show you need cash, talent, vision, drive, and communication skills. Most people only possess or have access to one or two of those qualities, while a company will always be short at least one.
How can he bo "good at it", when Doug is one of the most Unself aware people to ever exist, not to mention completely unaware of others feelings and completely unaware of what makes jokes work aside from,..….... .... TIMING!!!! 👻?
I think it's interesting because Doug himself doesn't seem to be an awful person but more an accidental inconvenience, like a baby walking through a loony tunes construction site
I've heard folks compare him to Tommy Wiseau in the past. An idiot who got popular despite himself and the suffering of everyone around him. Makes so much sense that he got in a pissing match with Wiseau at the end of the day.
I think so. He's not good at managing or working with other people, like realizing when others are uncomfortable etc. or he hires just unfunny people. As a lone worker, he was pretty good, I think. And his interactions with fans are pretty good. He even takes criticisms fine in my opinion
@@keegster7167 yeah I agree, he's one of the few UA-camrs that have "a character" that actually has a character and aren't just assholes off camera too, having seen him in interviews and fan interactions in and out of character he seems harmless, with all these awful stories not one is directed at him alone
Apparently the Nostalgia Critic lives right next to my hometown, along with the VeggieTales creator and Danny Gonzalez, in the Chicago suburbs. Small world
@@ChiefMedicPururu I haven’t kept up with AVGN Ever since his partnership with Screenwave and the decline in quality in video content. What other problems has his channel endured lately?
@@Davic613 The whole plagiarism issue that happened last year. His response to recent criticism, in that he says that "he works harder", while showing a lack of smarts, making his job artificially harder than it should be. None of the episodes being written by James, so nothing he really says anymore is what HE thinks, but what someone else thinks. That one isn't related to James himself, but many act like criticizing him is a no-no and that "he's a cool guy", as if they knew him and were friends with him.
@@ChiefMedicPururu Compared to the Critic & Channel Awesome though? Rolfe/AVGN is practically smooth sailing. His videos still get millions of views (Or at least the AVGN episodes do.)
I always forget how painful that review of The Wall is until someone actually shows a clip of it. The part that always gets me is when Doug says "It's a love letter to Pink Floyd" after A) mocking it relentlessly in bad faith ways and B) demonstrating clearly that he really didn't get it at all
It's especially painful because ever since "Change the Channel" came out I kept thinking of ways for Doug to "redeem" himself was to do a parody of The Wall, particularly the "The Trial" segment, but with everyone he hurt in it. I guess that was my Monkey Paw wish.
That review simply killed my interest in NC. Cringe is a perfect summary to his review of The Wall. I hope Doug never listens to another Pink Floyd song.
Its hilarious how "5 second movies" was repeatedly banned and yet some of the most popular growing channels right now are literally just a robot reading a synopsis of the full movie intercut with clips. At least those were "transformative" because they were jokes.
A few years back i had a rly rough time around the holidays and since this is the time of year i watch the nc most i wrote him a mail that was waaaay longer then it had any right to be, with the usual stuff like this and that bad thing happened to me and ur vids always cheer me up and stuff. He answered not even 12 hours later, demonstrating he read the entire wall of text showing compasion and thanking me for being a fan. I'm not ashamed to admit how happy i was and still am to have this personal piece of conversation from a creator i'm watching for almost ten years now.
There's nothing wrong with that at all, I have a certain appreciation for content creators who take time to reply to comments/email. Despite everything that happened to Doug in recent years, I'd still much rather watch his content compared to someone like DSP any day of the week.
This is a tale that really illustrates for me why actors, authors, musicians have managers and agents. You need someone detached from the work to take care of internal and public relations. Yikes.
I always think thatwhen watching these, these people really need someone to handle pr or just straight up tell them to be quiet before they get themselves in trouble with their audience and ruin the success they have.
Nostalgia Critic and Cinemasins used to be making fun of snob critics who always cherry picking some of the smaller aspects of the movies that needs to be criticized as a joke, but now became the very thing they've been parodied.
Less so for Cinemassacre as they never really gave off the feeling of snob superiority over those who loved games/movies, at least not when I was watching them prior to 2020.
I mean the entirety of their content is one skit after another. That's vastly different than, say, Everything Wrong With where they explicitly consider a movie worse based off of snobby nitpick and, more often, outright just false information. I don't really see how you could consider their content as genuine criticism towards anything minus films on the extreme ends of things. It's like AVGN. His content isn't really geared towards giving you a truly articulate (or even for the most part, serious) analization of the games he reviews
@@titanscar2183 Everything Wrong With isn't meant to be taken seriously. It's for entertainment purposes. I mean, they "sin" every single movie for any amount of seconds of credits in the beginning. They do point out points that are worth criticising, but I've never gotten the feeling they were "snobbily dissing" movies. I mean, they made an episode about their own channel, and they have to many videos, that if they were all meant to be taken seriously, there soon wouldn't be movies left, they actually like 😂
@@titanscar2183 At least for AVGN, he actually takes the criticism seriously at heart as he pointed out the actual flaws of a video game rather than just nitpicking some the small parts. Like he pointed out glitches, level difficulties, the awful graphics, ear-busting music/sound effects and abstract level designs. Plus, James seperated his AVGN persona to his real life counterpart to make him look like they are different people despite playing the same character and he's also a passionate filmmaker. Doug, in the other hand, let his NC persona took over that you can't tell if he's playing a character or not. Not to mention Doug is very incompetent at filmmaking which it's no wonder why Pink Floyd's The Wall review got a lot of hate.
what fascinates me about channel awesome is that it follows the same pattern as its contemporaries like machinima and rooster teeth. like them, channel awesome built their legacy through the network of channels and personalities that they would acquire but would eventually crash and burn due to personalities departing, network channels becoming less relevant and more obsolete, and horrific controversies/abuses. in a way, i find that machinima's demise was a sign of what was to come for it's contemporaries such as rooster teeth, channel awesome or college humor as these type of networks became less relevant for the ever growing/evolving landscape of internet video sharing
i feel like collegehumor has somewhat found their footing again with game changer and no laugh newsroom, but looking at their channel it’s more like those two segments took off and most other videos they put out get abysmal views for their size
@@reesespp3965 At the very least College Humor still makes some pretty decent content and are genuinely funny, plus I've heard next to no controversies from them so I think they can still try to make a comeback. Big emphasis on the word *TRY* there.
College Humor's temporary demise seemed like it was heavily involved in meta-issues with their parent company rather than on the creators that were a part of it. They have some very funny people who work with and for them, to the point that they even managed to create a faux-gameshow format that is actually funny and not a living nightmare to watch. Their content has always been good too, they just got stuck in a rut while they had little creative control over their decisions. Brennan's charisma and Roll20 was a lifeline they managed to cling onto, and now they seem to have largely stabilized and possibly may even be starting to grow, as Dropout seems to actually be working for them.
Now Channel Awesome has become a shell of it's former self. And each Nostalgic Critic episode nowadays feels like Critic has become less Daffy Duck and more like a guy who's trying waaaaaay too hard to being snarky. And he never talked about the allegations that happened in the studio and just continued doing his usual reviews to his viewers and subs like nothing happened.
@@CraftyArts The Nostalgia Critic used to get 1-2 million views per video. Those would pay for the channel and he didn't need to put out all of the extra videos he's putting out to make ends meet. He also had one of the biggest collection of UA-camrs working under him including the like of Lindsay Ellis, Linkara, Team Four Star, and Angry Joe
@@CraftyArts Dude, a hundred thousand views for a million subs means that nine hundred thousand people are not watching and are probably just too lazy to unsubscribe. And you are being disingenuous to say that this figure is per video - I checked. He only averages fifty thousand for his non-film reviews.
What's even more ironic is how this guy is doing the overreaction gimmick himself. It's almost like a meta *wink-wink* joke, but no, it is sincere. AVGN unwittingly spawned a whole army of these screaming goblins in his time, one could argue he caused so much collective brain damage, skibidi toilet can only hope to achieve these heights.
Yeah. It's also funny that Lordkat was instrumental in Kiwifarms as he wanted to shield himself from becoming a lolcow. In fact that guy is always cited with the Spoony/Channel Awesome controversies in a benign light while he is hardly a good guy and has a lot of controversies of his own.
I loved the Nostalgia Critic in my early teens. I even met Doug and his brother Rob at a Barnes and Noble meet and greet in 2016? 2018? Got a few pictures that have since been lost to time, (A.K.A. I formatted my SD card on accident) a few autographed photos (including a poorly drawn duel of Doug and James Rolfe of AVGN fame, Doug got a kick out of that!) Doug seemed like a really nice and considerate guy, but I could definitely see how his enthusiasm and clearly apparent disdain for confrontation could lead to hubris spiraling into controversy. While I don't watch his content anymore I wish him and his associates all the best! Great video!
In an odd sort of irony, the Nostalgia Critic himself makes me realize that maybe the times I feel nostalgia for weren't so great after all. Looking back and realizing that we used to think his videos were funny puts into perspective just how powerful rose colored glasses can be.
If you genuinely thought it was funny at the time, then it's not rose-colored glasses. It means it was a different time with a different environment and different standards.
Been waiting for this. So much lore to cover. I used to watch CA religiously. Their downfall was so depressing. We've been needing a comprehensive summary of their failings for a while now. Thank you Joon
Hope they cover Cinemassacre soon, screenwave ruined the AVGN show and the hardcore fanboys are in coping mode refusing to call them out about the downgrade of quality after the AVGN movie failed.
I think the Walker brothers’ big underlying mistake was signing over the rights to his character to Michaud (something not discussed in this video but which is probably crucial to the story), who then had complete leverage over them. And then I think Michaud made the even bigger mistake trying to build That Guy with the Glasses into a company with multiple content creators that both he and the Walkers were simply too unqualified and lazy to run. If they had just stuck to developing the Walkers and their friends’ content, the channel would still probably be successful and respectable if a little passé. Instead, they got greedy, everything collapsed when the company grew beyond their friend circle, and now they’re back to square one anyways.
@@grabble7605 not really, the Walkers’ viewership is probably never going to recover to their pre-ChangetheChannel heyday. Also, a relatable persona is very crucial for UA-cam personalities, and the controversy has permanently removed theirs by exposing them as blundering simpletons at best. Technically, the Walkers will probably be able to make a living as UA-camrs for the rest of their lives, but their opportunities for future growth are basically nil.
@@carlireland5049 ChangeTheChannel had zero impact on their viewership. The gradual decline is because he just isn't as funny as he was in the beginning.
@@carlireland5049 Actually Channel Awesome's numbers just recovered what they lost from change the channel. It appears to have deleted a years progress for their youtube channel. They are back to a steady rate of growth.
Great video Joon. I can’t believe Joe posted that interview with Geoff online. If I got roasted like that I’d be smashing the SD card in the parking lot within 5 minutes out of embarrassment
Except Michael Eisner wasn't a bad CEO when he worked for Disney. Sure, most of the projects he spearheaded were daring, to say the least, but he knew how important the teenage demographic is for the brand and I don't think we would have ever had one of Disney "Golden Ages" without him. Michaud, on the other hand, only thinks of the NC as the only instrumental part for the Channel, never cared for other content creators.
You missed one prominent bit of drama from around the third anniversary movie and Phelous. The site made a HUGE deal out of hosting a competition to select the effects editor for the film and it was a paid position etc (way underpaid for the job, but still) and then after everyone submitted, they just gave it to Phelous who agreed to do it for free which saved the site MAYBE $500 total, and THEN they complained about the effects. It was CA's OWN COICE to contract it out for free to avoid paying less than 1/2 a grand to someone for professional effects.
How do you give a vigilante a credit card? How would he make payments for said card (he was going to charge several million to buy a woman for the night.......). What credit limit do you give a vigilante? I couldn't even get a credit card when I had a full time job back in the day so how do you get one when the company doesn't even know your face. Yeah the bat credit card thing was played out but I agree with Doug, it makes no sense.
@@riftshredder5438 yeah I was there for that back in the day. You will never have a credit card with Batman as the cardholder no matter how well you funnel your money. More likely he would have fake names like patches Malone or something and if he needed money that badly while fighting crime. The bat credit card makes no sense. Let me give you a brain exercise. You work for a credit card company and a piece of paper comes across your desk with the application name of Batman.
@@ermanbumaguin8063 well his idea of "it sound rational when you think about it" is probably: -Batman must need to make some payments, and he wouldn't want to have his identity revealed, therefore he'd have his own credit-card that dosn't trace back to Bruce-Wayne. but... why the fuck would he even need money at all? it's Bruce-Wayne who takes care of everything financial, not Batman why would Batman, even need to make payments in the first-place? and if it to faciliate transactions with criminals or moles... wouldn't it be better to use cash instead? the entire "bat credit-card" idea is flawed from the beginning as he has NO-NEEDS to use one in the first-place.
Doug's downfall was his hubris. He was so caught up in his own little world that his ego blinded him to the cracks forming around him. This ranges from his content style being dated, decisions that will clearly not go over well, and bad actors committing heinous acts under his nose. His reality check was when everything collapsed. Instead of just fading away in shame, he picked himself up and made the most of what he had left. He has clearly grown from the experience as seen in interviews and takes the criticisms and roasting in stride, which is respectable.
Is it respectable, though? He still refuses to accept any culpability for what happened. He's still not a good writer, actor, or director. And he's still a tiny little man who thinks his ideas are objectively better than others.
Doug positioned himself as the face of TGWTG, but he wasn't in charge. "Channel Awesome, Inc. is an American online media production company based in Lombard, Illinois. The company was created in 2008 by Mike Michaud, Mike Ellis, and Bhargav Dronamraju. Channel Awesome operated the That Guy with the Glasses website until late 2014, when it was phased into the Channel Awesome website." Michaud and Rob Walker were the main higher ups and still are. I am dubious about Doug's maturity and growth if he still works with them, even if one of them is his brother, since none of them have taken any direct responsibility for what happened beyond "we got so big communication between staff was difficult." Doug also was APPROACHED by CA creators with some of their issues and he brushed them off. So he was blinding himself.
Man. Spooning with Spoony has merit as an idea. Imagine if it was a Bob Ross-esque game review where Spoony was snuggled up in a blanket while quietly and calmly reviewing a game. Could’ve been fun.
Well researched summary. Not the first one I've seen about channel awesome, but one of the few that acknowledges that some of the criticism (specifically most of what lord kat said) is overblown. That guy just needed a scapegoat for his own lack of success. Let's not pretend he was one Notch interview away from blowing up.
To this day I still like Doug's Disneycemeber/DreamWorksuary's because they aren't littered with obnoxious screaming and elongated skits, it's just Doug's unfiltered thoughts played completely straight. I also enjoy the Bum reviews because they're intentionally dumb and inaccurate, even though the screaming can get annoying, you can tell that he's having fun doing those reviews because there's little production value and it feels more like a hobby than a job like his nostalgia critic videos, I only ever enjoyed the channel awesome videos when they felt like people making them for the fun of it and not for another paycheck.
Same here. I'm in a phase with content creators where I watch the channels less for the characters and more for the person behind the scenes. And once in a blue moon he'll come up with a genuine good NC video, but these days they're few and far between. His Elf review criticizes the movie for being annoying and scream heavy but his parody skits in the video are infinitely more annoying and actually have more screaming than the movie itself. He gets better and worse with time. In fact, in his 'Fantastic Mr. Fox' review, the way he describes Wes Anderson is the perfect way to describe Doug: "he's that one artist you kinda like but a part of you knows not to like"
@@CommanderShepard341 My thoughts exactly, Doug can actually make good content when he's being genuine or when he dials up the stupidity to 11 so you know you're not supposed to take it seriously.
I will also say I enjoy his side content like Dark Toons where it’s just him going over dark cartoons and you can actually *feel* his love for the subject or First Viewing where it’s him and his brother watching a movie for the first time where he can be genuinely funny in their reactions (watch the Freddy Got Fingered First Viewing, it’s hilarious) as well as his top 11s and his Commercial Episode he does every year.
I absolutely fucking loved the commercials reviews, it was such a niech thing to see old commercials and how ridiculous they were back then, he wasn't over the top on those neither.
I have been a big fan of nostalgia critic and a subscriber of channel awesome for so long now that it feels like forever. This channel never fails to put a smile on my face. Thank you
Awesome in depth documentary. I first started watching these dudes all the way back in 2013... Not so much anymore seeing most creators left after the drama and all but its nice to remanence about the good old days of how it used to be back in the day from time to time.
That is so wild. You started watching after he already quit and came back. What on earth made that an interesting prospect to you, to get into it that much past its Prime?
I met Doug at an anime-con back in about 2013 or so. He was incredibly friendly and even bought me and my gf Starbucks and talked with us for about an hour. He was really great!
I've heard LordKat's idiotic blame game before, but this shit gets me every time. Knowing he will never be part of the fake world of gaming journalism is an absolute delight.
Jason Pullara is Blacklisted and BANNED from Conventions and all forms of Video Game Journalism for GOOD reason: He's a Convicted Sex Offender and had to serve 3 years in Prison for Date Rape.
His reasoning also makes no sense, Spoony screamed at a convention and now he's banned from interviews with developers? Sounds like he's trying to deflect the blame to anyone but himself...
I’d like to think I’m pretty well caught up on my Doug Walker/Channel Awesome lore due to being around to witness most of it, but that’s legitimately the first time I’ve ever heard about the Batman & Robin defecation footage. I have no words other then, wtf…
This videos actually misleading, that isn't Doug Walker shitting on camera, it's one of the members of CKY, like Bam Margera or Brandon DiCamillo. Still absolutely out of place in one of Doug's 5 Second Movies.
@@danculbert6349 Maybe for the modern internet standards, where everything has to be made to appeal to kids. But that video is from a time when kids still weren't the majority of the people browsing the internet.
@@danculbert6349 Thanks for at least recognizing that it is out of place for this sort of content about childfriendly subject matter. Joon thanked me for telling him about that video, but as he says in the video, he wasnt sure it was him, and I made sure to say I will never watch the video again and cant check if it is really him. It's my fault for the misinformation, but honestly, as far as I knew as a kid watching through those videos as a 9 year old NC fan in 2008, it was Doug and was appropriately disturbed and confused. Batman & Robin was one of my favorite movies as a kid, so it was in many ways, shitty. I am really sorry that according to some unintelligent commentators, this slight mistake ruins such a thorough and 99.9999% accurate video. I just wish he included Doug's "Aristocrats" video instead because no one else has and it would make a much better meme for making fun of the braindead audience of Comedy Central between 1998 and 2004.
I spent a chunk of my late 20's and early 30's sick with health issues and Bipolar II depression. Channel Awesome, its creators, and its apparent comradery kept me company while I was stuck in bed. It was often the only bright spot in my days of misery. I had a huge crush on Spoony, and NC's reviews of video game-based TV shows brought back good memories. So when the creators in the Anniversary videos started leaving the site, I was really bummed. When Allison and Phelan left, I realized they were largely miserable making those movies, and the illusion of a happy family was shattered. The Change the Channel document was so disheartening, I can't watch my Anniversary video DVDs anymore. They feel like 2-hour long lies. Doug comes off as a genuinely nice guy who's prone to going along with more assertive people in his life, which is a shame because his drive to create, while flawed with a lack of desire or ability to improve, is impressive. I can see in Spoony's videos how his Bipolar II diagnosis (which, btw, to me sounds more like Bipolar I) set in and sadly inflated his ego. His Thank You video for his Mashable award in 2009 was sweet. By 2011-2012, his depression became apparent in his addiction to Twitter and his inability to accept concern or help during his rants that I got over my crush on him. Anyway, thank you for making this video. It's the most comprehensive overview of the website that I've been able to find, and your inclusion of an early timeline of the site brought back memories. I witnessed all of it. I donated $25 to thatguywiththeglasses.com for BTS access to bloopers. You might have used some of the clips I saved from that site for your video, which means people have seen them and that makes me happy. The thing that other retrospectives seem to gloss over is how fun was genuinely had in TGWTG's early years - that old fans' experiences like mine were legitimate.
Pal the document is full of lies and has being proof to be unreliable for really know what was happening in the channel. Most of it is just people being upset because the boss was acting like a boss, and the fact that Doug was more popular just make them jelous
@@Earthboundmike I'm doing it because what I said is true, people took this document as true because of the time were all of this was happening but as time passed all the lies were found out. So even if CA actually did some things wrong no one can tell you really what it was, like I said everyone was lying in the document
@@franciscoarzapalozapata4610 Some of it was true, but we'll never really know for sure how much because there were so many half-truths and outright lies. There are a few people I'm pretty sure told the truth (like Iron Liz and Shaun Faust), but even *they* didn't have receipts to back up their claims.
I think alot of the reason why he's recovered from the drama as much as he has is because of him shouting out OneyNG in a couple of his streams and being a good sport of all the light hearted digs they make at him. Shows his ego has been curbed at least a bit from back then.
And it's also helping Linkara is reacting so poorly to the same. In fact, most of the Change the Channel people are being so pathetic it makes Doug and company look better.
Honestly, the way he like genuinely laughed at the screaming clip was weirdly wholesome, like I marched through this confrontation with my own nostalgic cringe and got a nice little Shire moment where I got to see him as just a normal guy who wants to be make stuff again
@@michaelsimpson1224 I can’t even watch him after what his company did to Holly. Even if he wasn’t fully in charge he stood by the company’s decisions.
Honestly, Doug effectively revolutionized UA-cam content creation with his style back then. To this day, we don't do much else than watch "react" videos, after all. He simply was the first one to do it and he took it pretty far with lots of simplicity. I can't fault him for otherwise being a relatively incurious person, who's only interested in spreading their creative wings. Just being good at one thing doesn't really mean anything bad imho. Lots of people are dogshit at everything, because they lack passion, ambition, skill or simple charisma. So "Oh he's just good at doing a single thing" is always a dumb criticism, I think. We don't all need to be multi talented gods. That being said, the abuse and mismanagement of Channel Awesome and all the previous iterations really are genuinely despicable. I think with a more competent CEO, Channel Awesome could've gone far. But as incurious as Doug is in terms of analysing art (See his lackluster The Wall), Mike seems to be even more incurious about.. well.. doing his job managing a thing that hundreds of thousands, if not even millions world wide, have appreciated over the years.
The thing is, every one of them was a lier to the point in witch you don't know what is true and what is not, there are many thing in the document that have been reveladed to be false that's so bizarre. The guy from this video doesn't do a good research and take all to face value
@@franciscoarzapalozapata4610 when was anything "proven" false?. And even if some allegations are lies/exaggerations Im sure that is a minority due to the mountains of undeniable evidence behind so many accusations in there
Nothing against Doug Walker personally, but it fascinates me how someone who is THAT bad at writing, directing, producing, filming, editing, gaffing, foley, special effects, and post production can unironically harshly criticize films, tv shows, and even video games for their low quality and then turn around and defend himself with "it's just a comedy sketch bro not a big deal".
@@kwayneboy1524 True, but the reason it's an issue is it undermines what he is saying. It makes it look like he's looking for whatever he can to criticize, rather than actually criticizing things he feels are valid faults, since when HE is criticized for them he defends them instead. It's like when a religious guy is super homophobic and critical of the gheys but then they catch him toweling off ballsacks at a male bathhouse: where do his values lie?
I think it's worth noting that while Linkara did say some negative things in that live stream, he has since revisited that statement. He has said his problem is less with OneyPlays, and is more with the influx of Oney fans who spammed Linkara's socials with comments that, out of context, could be seen as insulting. Before he even knew what the context was, his view of the videos was painted by that spam and it is hard to shake that. IIRC, he also apologized for how dismissive of Oney he was in the stream.
Yeah, I wasn't into the random dig on Linkara there. It seems like they're lumping him in with Doug, as if Linkara is still part of the whole Channel Awesome crew and just as awful and cringe. Linkara's an insightful comic book reviewer - the antithesis of Doug; he actually understands the medium he criticizes. Sure he did some goofy skits and ran story arcs with his reviews, but he's never been pretentious about them, and owns their inherent goofiness. I've found the skits he did charming and silly even in retrospect, whereas Doug's have always been awful and cringe no matter how much he leans into their inherent silliness.
@@SaturnineCheetahLinkara 100% takes himself too seriously. Look at how he promoted his audio play. He did it show up Doug. As to understanding the medium, I would like to both the times he said a suicidal woman was wasting Superman’s time and his DKR where he wouldn’t stop calling Batman a fascist without a reason. As to the Oney bit, he walked it back due to backlash at how he handled it, not because he felt that way. He gets mad anytime he’s the butt of the joke, unless he writes it, in which case he still attempts to make himself look good. Look at how he responded to JonTron using the gif of him running and the meltdown he had over it.
@joeysmith555 Making way too many assumptions there. It's as if you want to hate Linkara for the sake of feeling better about yourself. "Calling Batman a fascist for no reason". Did... did you even read the comic he was referring to? Or are you just spouting nonsense? He said that in the poorly written DK2 and ASBAR. And he's not the first one to say it. Like, look at it. In that comic, Batman is inspiring insurrection with him at the top, is blatantly lacking in empathy, talks about what he could do to control the world if he had the Green Lantern Ring (That was in ASBAR, which is a prequel to TDKR and thus Canon to it) and is overall a terrible person. Like, I'm sorry, but some people think the rich white guy with tons of military grade equipment and child soldiers that dedicates his life to "a crusade" against crime and "taking back control of the streets" through violence and intimdation, who also happens to be written by a homophobic, racist and sexist old man (That's Frank Miller, by the by), is a little bit fascist. Also, what the hell is that " suicidal woman is wasting Superman's time" crap? You probably took these words out of context or just made them up. He got mad at the implication that Superman would allow someone to take their own life. By the way... I noticed it's all shit from almost 10 years ago. At this point, it's just you being petty. Also, I don't really care about Twitter drama. Like... let it go, m'dude.
In middle school, I was a huge fan of nostalgia critic, but no one else in my friend group was, so I didn't really have anyone to watch it with or talk about it with. I stopped watching years ago, but have been brought back to Channel Awesome memories by OneyPlays. Channel Awesome was something that other youtubers didn't talk about for a long time, and it was interesting to hear from others who used to be fans.
As much as I was super into CA, I was never that crazy about Doug and the Nostalgia Critic. His content was what initially brought me to the site back in 08-09 but his character wore out it’s welcome with me and I got way more into Spoony, Linkara, Lindsay Ellis, Brad Jones, and then later Todd in the Shadows than I ever was into NC. However to watch how epic this downfall was in real time was amazing to watch, and Doug to me doesn’t seem like a terrible person, just incompetent, annoying, and arrogant, and there’s way worse things you can be.
Doug Walker is a person who is basically a case study of arrested development. Not that he can be blamed for this entirely, because really, much of his audience was always immature people. When he tried to break out of it somewhat, it failed spectacularly, basically leaving him with but two options: Continue doing what made him famous or quit and do a normal day job. Of course, option #2 was unthinkable for him, and so now, even though his audience has by now either grown up or left for greener pastures, he must continue the Nostalgia Critic for as long as possible. Of course, all of this pales in comparison to things that genuinely are his fault, like sweeping many terrible things under the rug (being an accomplice to abuse) or doing awful things himself (violating his workers' rights). The Nostalgia Critic is a prime example of what happens when you ride on the coattails of people's success (AVGN and other reviewers from that time) without having genuine creativity or passion to keep you going.
I stopped going on channel awesome after Allison Pregler and Phelous left. By that point everyone I enjoyed was gone. But it's still very nostalgic to me because I loved it 10 years ago and I still enjoy content by people who were on there (mainly Todd )
I remember a comment from the DTRH Spoony video about the Lordkat section and how pathetic the rant was, and now hearing the rant again, that comment aged like fine wine. Great coverage overall, by the way, thanks Joon
At least this time I didn't have to hear the part of the rant where he calls him a "retard". I know that wasn't nearly as frowned upon back when he did it; but it sure goes to show that both of them are assholes.
Except LordKat is absolutely no saint here either. Ignoring the fact that he's an outed lolcow or his attempted rape of Diamanda Hagan (no really, that happened; everyone remembers what JewWario did but why does Jason get ignored for what HE pulled?), the dude basically devolved into declaring war on web critics and flat out saying shit like they should go to jail. I shit you not! He tried to weaponize whatever bad experience he had with CA into taking it out on EVERYONE who does internet reviews! Jason used to be a Facebook friend of mine back in the day and I witness first-hand his insanity and bitterness. I made a post on there calling him out for his bullshit and he straight up went off on me for it. This resulted in other people on my friends list at the time, including another web critic Eli Stone, replying back to his comment with retorts and Jason just couldn't take criticism. The whole thing became a huge mess and I was forced to delete the post entirely and subsequently unfriended and blocked Jason. That's the last time I ever interacted with LordKat. So, NO, LordKat is NOT innocent here and his Spoony rant has aged like fucking milk, NOT wine. The only "wine" here is from that dude's mouth. He's a petty, bitter motherfucker who's rant against Spoony was only declared "right" by some people because Spoony went downhill later on. That doesn't excuse LordKat being a rapist lolcow.
@@FillmGeekOfDoom no worries, I agree with your sentiments about the rant itself. Certainly has not aged well, even at the time was probably pretty cringe.
You know nostalgia critic may have been very cringy and really not that funny but the guy had passion and I respect that. At least to me. He was one of many founding fathers to the platform. Unfortunately everything has to come to an end sadly.
Wasn’t funny then, and he’s quite an shallow, cynical creator in my opinion. That’s the opposite of passion. It’s like calling CinemaSins a movie reviewer.
I hate to say this, but it cannot be understated how Doug's own borderline non-response as Mike botched everything saved his own ass. Channel Awesome would bounce back, even as their content just got infinitely worse. And its led to a Spongebob parody. Yes, a mainstream television show paid homage to the dude who Tommy Wiseau'd his way through multiple film productions while also shitting on Tommy Wiseau.
I always love the game show is meant to be Doug Kidnapping people but everyone just looks like friends fucking around while the interview show that was meant to be Doug hanging around with his friends looks like he's kidnapped them.
Dude already had nothing to work with because everyone else has covered this topic in excruciating detail. It makes sense to try and fill out the runtime with anything even remotely related to channel awesome.
Seeing Benzaie in the middle of this fiasco made me smile! He is now a well known french ytuber and his content is worth watching, the hard corner is a good show!
This was beautifully done and you went in and did your research! I lived it and it crazy to go back and look upon internet history like this. It changed alot and this was part of a driving force for the past few yrs being stupidly crazy. Thank you for this it was fun to go back and relive these memories
I like to think of Channel Awesome as an extinct pantheon. Everyone still knows about it, but nobody follows any of the characters, and the few that are still active or relevant have evolved well past how they were in the ensemble.
I can’t believe how different of a sense of humor I used to have 13 years ago. I can’t look at most of those old reviews before either gritting my teeth through them or closing the tab in embarrassment. I know part of it has to do with growing up, but it also had to do with the disdain for public and cable television in my generation. Having grown up becoming tired of what TV networks were regurgitating for us, it made seeing regular, average people running wild and free with content on the Internet feel like such a breath of fresh air.
I understand this to an extent, but thirteen years *is* a long time so try to not be too hard on yourself. So much goes on in our lives that we don't even realize at the time. Lots of times we don't even remember finding something funny/feeling a certain way, let alone _why_ we thought that way.
@@redacted2275 I mean, I didn’t really set out to embellish anything, it was the reflecting I was doing at the time I watched this docu. I’m not ashamed of my past thoughts.
Once upon a time UA-cam went through a gold rush for reviewing channels. A lot of reviewers joined Channel Awesome and it felt like you needed to be part of that collective or The Escapist in order to not get lost in the shuffle. I had met Doug multiple times as a potential recruit for Channel Awesome. He seemed very personable and nice however most people in the convention scene warned me about Mike Michaud. It was an open secret about Mike’s being awful to work with. It’s a shame what happened to CA but at the same time it couldn’t stay stable with poor management.
The mid 2000s were a different era of UA-cam where people who yelled at bad video games or movies got tons of subscribers and engagement. The likes of Nostalgia Critic, AVGN, Irate Gamer, Spoony etc could be considered in this category, where their angry reviewer trope was extremely popular. That kind of humor might appeal to our teenage selves, but as we grow up and become adults, we would either find it unfunny or annoying instead. AVGN's content evolved (which is why he is still quite relevant), but the NC did not, which was why many of his fans left him, while Spoony (sadly) had a ton of personal problems that made him not continue making videos.
In what world is Irate Gamer on the same level as AVGN and NC? They are light-years ahead of Irate Gamer in quality and comedy. Even the worst AVGN episode is still way better than the best Irate Gamer episode. Like it's not even close.
Even though everyone wants to make a performance of themselves quitting their most disliked job like Doug did, businesses have a tendency to look back at past jobs for reference as to how eligible for hire one is. And uploading it to UA-cam only makes that easier. As a piece of advice, I'd strongly advise anyone considering doing something similar to just... not. It's a miracle Doug actually managed to make a career after that.
@@JoeTAC yes they kind of do depends on the company. I can speak from experience as I've actually worked as a factory janitor before. Some companies? Sure they just want boots on the ground. Others? Nah you gotta know your shit or at least be willing to learn.
@@JoeTAC I work as a hospital janitor. I dont know about other fields, but in the medical field they do expect everyone to have some semblence of proffesionalism, even the floor scrubbers.
@@Elonyx.studios yeah cause that’s a hospital 😂 of course you have to be professional there. Places like Walmart or Fast food don’t care if a dude is not a professional
The Channel Awesome situation becomes a lot less funny when you remember they aren't teenagers messing around and wasting money they're not supposed to have and are a bunch of actual adults doing stuff like this.
@igor "Hands on a window pane, Watching some children laugh and play. They're running in circles, With candy canes and French bu-raids. Inspired to question, What makes us grown-ups anyway? Let's search for the moment When youth betrayed itself to age" -Scott Stapp (Creed)
I always thought Doug's luck was more instrumental to his success then his actual talent. He was nearly the second person after AVGN to do the whole angry review style and being how successful James was some of that rubbed off on Doug.
IIRC, Doug actively pursued to be associated with AVGN, and the whole "feud" thing started completely from Doug's end. The first time they appeared together, Doug went to encounter James during a public appearance, in-character, and filmed it. I don't think any of that had been planned with James, who was more or less forced into the situation.
I really hope Joon the King covers cinemassacre. AVGN is creatively dead now. Every episode that comes out sucks due to screenwave and James ever since his failed movie has never been the same since. So many of his original friends like Bootsy, Mike, and Kyle got fed up with working with some guy who can’t stop talking about old movies no one cares about as well as using an outdated system for making videos, aka, less time to do anything. There’s even a subreddit dedicated to calling him out called thecinemassacretruth
@@Labyrinth6000 Nah. AVGN is still pretty active to get its own "rise and fall" video and that subreddit itself seems pretty toxic itself. The Screenwave guys are the one who got into the Cinemassacre's decline in the first place and James is just being himself, has a family on his own, and he's just living in a success without affiliating any controversies except for a few (like the plagiarism part). It's just that you are something of a guy who always find something to get outraged about.
It’s exhausting trying to keep up with all this internet drama, I can’t even begin to think what it was to research it, put it together, and make a video of it.
I remember watching Channel Awesome a lot as a teen. I dropped off when they did more sketches instead of showing clips from the movie. It disconnected me so much from the content. How can you understand a movie review only using re-enactments? What was part of the movie, what was just a joke for the review? It basically made the reviews incomprehensible to me. You had to have already watched the movie to understand the re-enactments better, but I wanted a review before I watch the movie. So, I found other people that made reviews of movies on their own instead of watching a bunch of people, re-enact the movie, while making the review more confusing.
Yeah, the skits were what pushed me away too. They were completely unfunny and excessive… yet he wouldn't stop doing them, no matter how many fans begged him to stop.
@@olserknam Might sound cringe, but I was one of those kids who didn't grow up with a lot of movies (broke, strict parents). Nostalgia Critic was appealing because I was able to "see" the movies I missed out on but through a condensed and cynical lens. I find his reviews on older movies much more charming than whatever he's doing now. Though the candid, unscripted reviews he does alone or with his brother are great. That whole review structure with skits and whatnot is dying out for a reason. People don't want that from UA-camrs anymore. It looks like he's been reviewing the next generation of nostalgia though, which is smart for longevity reasons.
Its crazy how Channel Awesome was basically just 100 people ripping off the AVGN only for nearly every single one of them to crash and burn while the nerd is still going strong
If you say that AVGN is still going strong, you could as well say that NC is still going strong. Both of them are getting much lower views than they used to and both have dedicated hatedoms.
@Henrik Gønge Fjord Mikkelsen No way, he just has an older maybe 2005-7ish kind of style. He's actually still doing well making the same style of content he always has and still has a sizable viewer base!
When you hear Chris/Zach from OneyPlays make jokes about Doug, and then hear him react by saying "I think they're really funny! I like those guys!" you can't help but love Doug. Especially compared to Linkaras reaction which was something like "they aren't funny and I hate them" lol
Had the Walker brothers cut ties with Mike Michaud when the #ChangeTheChannel controversy was just getting started, they might've been able to salvage their reputation. Mike Michaud seems like such a toxic person to work for.
One problem with that: Mike owns the rights to the Nostalgia Critic character, it doesn't belong to Doug. So he and Rob stay with CA and continue to associate with that motherfucker. He's got them by the balls. Hah!
The Batman and Robin in 5 seconds thing that’s a clip from CKY 2k, where Bam Margera did skits and pranks with his friends. In particular a prank where they smeared feces on one of their friends, complete with the shot of the guy defecating in the toilet
Channel Awesome got me through college, especially Spoony. His downfall hit the hardest for me bc he was my favorite content creator. I practically binged his stuff everytime I sat down to draw
I genuinely think he could've made it big on here, if he'd found a balance. Light hearted Spoony content was comfy watching, I liked (fake) hanging out with that guy. His demons got him pretty hard though, I think I'm still subscribed to him but man I just can't bring myself to watch him misery stream in silence.
I didn't know too much about Nostalgia Critic or Channel Awesome until Mr Metokur did a series on the subjects way back when, and I had no idea about the Oney spoofs or that Larry Bundy was (one of the last) part of the crew. Thank you for the video king.
I used to watch the Nostalgia Critic every week from 2009 to early April 2010. I took a family vacation in April 2010 and missed some videos. I ended up never catching up with the videos that I missed, and haven't watched anything on Channel Awesome since then.
I loved the craziness of Spoony. I believe he was my favorite creator at that time. I discovered Worthabuy because of spoony, he looked a bit like him the first time I saw his thumbnails with his iconic sunglass. Anyways great video and much nostalgia of content right there. The room review is still the best in my opinion.
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Edit#1 Commenters helped confirm the defecation clip origination from CKY 2K and though he did use the clip it is not in fact Doug Walker in that shot.
Thanks for the Belated Christmas gift.
God bless and Happy New Year.
BTW. Here's another infamous UA-camr you might want to take a crack at-
Micheal Green (KidBehindACamera)
That would be the anus and shit of Brandon DiCamillo. From CKY/Jackass. Lol
I will say the idea of making a video hosting website for people who cant stand youtubes BS is good idea in concept.
vpns are bullshit
@@Sonicfalcon16 Yeah, that's how the internet used to work...UA-cam fucked a lot up
As I heard someone say; Doug's greatest strength is also his biggest weakness. He's basically immune to criticism, brushing it off like it's nothing or playing along with it. It's incredible for him because he's never discouraged and never crushed by people making fun of him or parodying his stuff. Yet that same issue is the flaw, as any problems you have with his work he just shrugs it off, so he never feels the need to change.
The heaviest armor is great for blocking swords, terrible if you're trying to swim.
Great take and a good lesson to learn both ways. From a viewers perspective, a big reason I like Doug is actually that his positivity comes through his videos, while many of his old peers may go more in depth but leave me feeling drained and depressed with their content. I think it's important to recognise the merit of both types of content. I also think it's a lot healthier to accept that you'll never be the best at something, but it is important to strive to improve as a species nonetheless - it's a difficult line to walk in life.
Worth noting that that was actually a *learned* skill of his, which is stunning considering how little he's managed to learn since then. This is basically the only retrospective on CA that I've seen that actually mentions the Bart's Nightmare let's play, but it totally skips over how unbelievably fuckin salty he was over people not liking it. The video the following week mostly consisted of him indignantly growling about how "I give you all this hilarious content week after week for free and you ingrates have the *audacity* to not like it once?!". The fact that he's been able to just completely brush off and laugh about a notorious bomb like The Wall review shows that his skin has gotten impenetrably thick in the decade since.
Such a shame that he managed to develop literally zero other skills.
Well said.
“The heaviest armor is great for blocking swords, terrible if you’re trying to swing”
Why does that quote go hard
100% agree. I remember watching his countdown videos that counted down the "Top Nostalgia Critic F Ups" and thinking to myself how defensive he was every single time. Like, he would name a mistake he made and follow up with a "BUT TO BE FAIR..." or something of that nature, explaining why he wasn't wrong in whatever the "F Up" was.
"Doug wants to be a filmmaker, he wants to make art, but he can't, because he's a fundamentally incurious person who isn't much interested in what other people think or feel, and all his ideas boil down to “What if Batman met Mario?”." - Dan Olson
Somehow Dan Olson destroyed the career and reputation of someone who's been doing UA-cam and content creation for nearly 20 years with a single sentence.
@@docvince1491 Citation needed; anything I can find on that talks about how he reported this stuff to site admins and the necessary authorities. Unless you're trying to cite Kiwifarms which... not a reliable source, sorry.
@UCJDZgPeNqPvKJp4rJW2GSEQ Nah bro that was made up. He contributed to some doc about CP on 4chan, some guys over there got mad about it and they fabricated the claim that he personally watches CP.
Hope one day they cover Cinemassacre. Screenwave ruined the show!
Oh my god, that's the perfect description. Like a stake through the heart kind of description
Out of everything I learnt from the drama around Channel Awesome Doug taking a shit on camera was one I didn't need to know about.
Agreed.
Man the OG youtube was such a lawless wasteland, you forget how much different it was until you go back
To be fair, that was also kind of the charm of it, just never knowing what the hell you were stepping into.
Sure, nowadays *no* one would or even should tolerate early UA-cam standards if transported straight into 2023, what with *literally* not knowing what the hell you are about to watch every time you click on a video (if it's going to be a screamer, a Rick Roll, lewd content, linking you/encouraging you to fall into scams or malware, complete misinformation or just abhorrently low quality), but even though I have very little ground to really defend it, I can't deny I miss the feeling of UA-cam feeling like a playground full of potential adventures. Heck, I kind of miss all those years I browsed UA-cam without an account, when it felt relatively "normal" to browse around certain websites without registering.
@@FamilyTeamGaming its also just all the extra guidelines and how much has changed for creators themselves. youtube now feels very “clinical” and “heavily produced” to a certain extent yk. back then just felt like regular people getting online and talking about what they like or dislike etc. felt like. we were watching and interacting with friends. now everything has an aura of (these are very much shows, creators etc) that regular person/ friend feeling is gone if ANY of that made any sense lmao
@@Kaimerah sooo true, this was after my hay day of being into social media trends but that’s probably why tiktoks popped off how they did because it felt organic and low quality at first. now they’re high quality ring light, 4k quality, perfection compared to some that are just as popular on the app with no editing. The sterile, clean infects anything after a while
It is today, just run by difficult people in power
@@FamilyTeamGaming You just miss being young lol stop with this nostalgic nonsense
I think a major problem with Pop Quiz Hotshot is a combination of the facts that Doug just _cannot_ handle not being the funniest person in the room, and that it's really, _really_ easy to find rooms with people who are funnier than Doug Walker in them.
He also has trouble dealing with rooms where nobody's trying to be funny.
I kinda got that vibe w/ him really wanting to find "Ed" not funny when there were a number of things that made me chuckle w/ him while he's so insistently "NOPE ya gotta die".
@@fluffywolfo3663 Great way to put it, he constantly needs set ups from other people but has to appear like the smartest person in most of his jokes
Is that why there is never a houseplant in the nostalgia critic videos?
Plus the endless movie quote trivia was f*ing mind-numbing. Seriously, ONE type of question, over and over. 😖
I'm not bursting with ideas myself but I at least would've had the brains to look at some of the hundreds of other game shows in existence for "inspiration".
I almost refuse to believe Doug Walker could make content for so long without figuring out lighting, audio, white balance, blocking, composition, or even how to tell a story. And yet here we are.
Kevin Smith has been directing for almost three decades and yet still doesn't know the first thing about any of those stuff. Hell, Bruce Willis called him out on that during the making of Cop Out.
I mean, just look at DSP. The dood can't even use OBS properly besides pressing the Record/Stream button. Can't adjust audio levels well, can't adjust white balance well, can't ensure good lighting, still struggles with even using scenes in OBS, let alone creating ones himself. Takes him 15 minutes to discover a disconnected HDMI cable. Not to mention he can't act to save his life, is more boring that watching paint dry and the only way he knows how to at least try and be funny is by insulting someone, preferrably involving gay, racist or scat "humor". And he's been doing YT and streaming for 15(ish) years now...
Some people don't grow up and learn, we can see doug walker being an example of that clearly with his work, skills and channel.
Yeah, but the difference is that Kevin Smith is aware of that, doug walker is not aware.@@SmoothCriminal12
did you guys even watch the video? its not Doug. its Mike MIchaud
To briefly summarize what happened with the Nostalgia Critic, his audience grew up, he didn't.
Let's call that the Adam Sandler Effect
he said the exact same thing about adam sandler in his pixels review...talk about ironic
@@17jacoyne lol
Did you miss the part where He wanted to change the format but his fans didnt want anything to change?
Pretty much! Am still thankful to the original TGWTG crew for the years of entertainment as a former fan, but I've since moved onto other things.
Watching Doug quit his job reminds me of that kid in high school who tried way too hard to be the class clown and no one caring
I remember when he did Demo Reel because his acting career never took off.
Lmao, projecting.
@@MalevolentFae ok , Doug
Usually the nerdy kid who didn't quite realize that nobody liked him.
It’s definitely immature and bizarre, but I still can’t help but have some respect for his confidence lol
that angry joe interview was _painful_ to watch. he doesn't just come across unprepared, he comes across like he thinks he's too good to prepare and already knows everything.
As somebody that knows that mentality from living it firsthand, the secondhand cringe of watching somebody going into an interview with an actual figurehead in the industry with the same mentality of me walking up to do my presentation in 10th grade history... holy shit.
@@bkaneshiro14 i feel it brother lmao
@@bkaneshiro14 Ughh I know exactly what you mean.
Jeff Keighley wasn't even blowing him off. He's a busy man, and Joe was shoving the microphone in his face, loudly (and self-righteously) demanding answers; Keighley was answering him as best he could. And then Joe asked *the same questions* at the panel.
Unlike most, at least we can say he got much better with time.
My brother loved The Wall. He introduced me to it, and he would listen to it over and over and learn the songs and make pedals to recreate the sound of it. He died in 2016, and now I have another thing I'm grateful he didn't have to experience.
😂😂 I guess there’s always a bright side
I'm sorry that your brother died nearly 7 years ago but I'm glad(?) that he didn't live to see that "review". He would've *definitely* hated it! 😆
I bet he was a great guitarist.
@@kirkbupkisyeah I’m sure he’s a real Jimi Hendrix
@@kirkbupkis I'm very biased, but he was. We were really lucky, he made a little youtube channel cause after he passed we can still listen to him.
There are times I truly, genuinely feel empathy for Doug Walker. It cannot be easy to be so driven, to have such a passion (for filmmaking, in this case), and yet to be SO BAD at it, no matter how long you work at it. Gotta be tough.
Tommy Wiseau of OG UA-camrs
@@danielclark-hughes692😂😂😂😂
If memory serves, Ed Wood is one of his favorite movies for a similar reason.
The tragedy is for a good show you need cash, talent, vision, drive, and communication skills.
Most people only possess or have access to one or two of those qualities, while a company will always be short at least one.
How can he bo "good at it", when Doug is one of the most Unself aware people to ever exist, not to mention completely unaware of others feelings and completely unaware of what makes jokes work aside from,..…....
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TIMING!!!! 👻?
I think it's interesting because Doug himself doesn't seem to be an awful person but more an accidental inconvenience, like a baby walking through a loony tunes construction site
I've heard folks compare him to Tommy Wiseau in the past. An idiot who got popular despite himself and the suffering of everyone around him. Makes so much sense that he got in a pissing match with Wiseau at the end of the day.
I think so. He's not good at managing or working with other people, like realizing when others are uncomfortable etc. or he hires just unfunny people. As a lone worker, he was pretty good, I think. And his interactions with fans are pretty good. He even takes criticisms fine in my opinion
@@keegster7167 yeah I agree, he's one of the few UA-camrs that have "a character" that actually has a character and aren't just assholes off camera too, having seen him in interviews and fan interactions in and out of character he seems harmless, with all these awful stories not one is directed at him alone
the focus is more mike michaud than doug. why Doug being outed like that more than him is just beyond me
@@TrickyJebusBecause they had a personal vendetta and wanted Doug cancelled.
Hearing Oney and Zach doin their bits amidst a serious documentary really made my day
I’m nostalgic for the Cold War.
I’m only here for the OneyFans 😂
The Boy in the Striped Pajamas really only tells one side of the story.
Lightbringer does not approve!
to be fair Doug was pretty accepting of Oney's parody of NC compared to Linkara the Lightbringer where he fuckin HATED that shit
Apparently the Nostalgia Critic lives right next to my hometown, along with the VeggieTales creator and Danny Gonzalez, in the Chicago suburbs. Small world
Mike Michaud looks like he'd punch someone for saying Limp Bizkit sucks, but only after they've turned away from him.
lmao
😂
First he would have you sign away your personality rights to him.
Mike Michuad isn't good enough for Limp Bizkit!
amazing how James Rolfe and Doug Walker started so similarly and ended up so differently
Rolfe/AVGN has his own set of issues.
@@ChiefMedicPururu I haven’t kept up with AVGN Ever since his partnership with Screenwave and the decline in quality in video content.
What other problems has his channel endured lately?
@@Davic613 The whole plagiarism issue that happened last year.
His response to recent criticism, in that he says that "he works harder", while showing a lack of smarts, making his job artificially harder than it should be.
None of the episodes being written by James, so nothing he really says anymore is what HE thinks, but what someone else thinks.
That one isn't related to James himself, but many act like criticizing him is a no-no and that "he's a cool guy", as if they knew him and were friends with him.
@@ChiefMedicPururu Compared to the Critic & Channel Awesome though? Rolfe/AVGN is practically smooth sailing. His videos still get millions of views (Or at least the AVGN episodes do.)
@@ChiefMedicPururu nothing like this though come on now. Most of it is jealousy.
I always forget how painful that review of The Wall is until someone actually shows a clip of it. The part that always gets me is when Doug says "It's a love letter to Pink Floyd" after A) mocking it relentlessly in bad faith ways and B) demonstrating clearly that he really didn't get it at all
I love when he also said one song was Oscar bait, like they made that one song just for the film just to win an award.
It's especially painful because ever since "Change the Channel" came out I kept thinking of ways for Doug to "redeem" himself was to do a parody of The Wall, particularly the "The Trial" segment, but with everyone he hurt in it. I guess that was my Monkey Paw wish.
That review simply killed my interest in NC. Cringe is a perfect summary to his review of The Wall. I hope Doug never listens to another Pink Floyd song.
@@chadkirk150 You've been asleep for 3 years.
@@Tornado1994 Not really. I knew NG reviewed The Wall and it was bad. I just refuse to watch that shit.
Its hilarious how "5 second movies" was repeatedly banned and yet some of the most popular growing channels right now are literally just a robot reading a synopsis of the full movie intercut with clips. At least those were "transformative" because they were jokes.
I always wondered what happens to those
It’s still a thing almost a year later and the shitty “did you know” shorts
Or SSSniperwolf where she just summarizes the videos she steals from and yet YT isn't doing anything about it despite breaking copyright laws.
A few years back i had a rly rough time around the holidays and since this is the time of year i watch the nc most i wrote him a mail that was waaaay longer then it had any right to be, with the usual stuff like this and that bad thing happened to me and ur vids always cheer me up and stuff.
He answered not even 12 hours later, demonstrating he read the entire wall of text showing compasion and thanking me for being a fan. I'm not ashamed to admit how happy i was and still am to have this personal piece of conversation from a creator i'm watching for almost ten years now.
Huh. I'll save this comment. Big if true.
@@olserknam I understand not trusting a random guy on the internet but what would i have to gain by lying about that?
@@matthiasrauert8397 Are you really that small brained? It'd make Doug Walker look really good for no reason if it was a lie, wtf
@@plaguis1391 And i would benefit from that because?
There's nothing wrong with that at all, I have a certain appreciation for content creators who take time to reply to comments/email. Despite everything that happened to Doug in recent years, I'd still much rather watch his content compared to someone like DSP any day of the week.
Hardcore explicit scat content from Doug walker is something that will forever haunt my mind
Thanks
*Nostalgia Critic scream*
That was Bam Magera of Jackass fame; not Doug.
After watching the 5 second review I’ll take the bat credit card premium any day of the week!
@@HBarnill but it’s funnier to think he filmed it himself
@@HBarnill *Brandon Dicamillo
This is a tale that really illustrates for me why actors, authors, musicians have managers and agents. You need someone detached from the work to take care of internal and public relations. Yikes.
Yes. Seems similar to Buzzfeed's Exodus complaints honestly. Really unfortunate.
And the lesser known of history's greatest blunders, never hire breadtubers.
I always think thatwhen watching these, these people really need someone to handle pr or just straight up tell them to be quiet before they get themselves in trouble with their audience and ruin the success they have.
Nostalgia Critic and Cinemasins used to be making fun of snob critics who always cherry picking some of the smaller aspects of the movies that needs to be criticized as a joke, but now became the very thing they've been parodied.
Less so for Cinemassacre as they never really gave off the feeling of snob superiority over those who loved games/movies, at least not when I was watching them prior to 2020.
I mean the entirety of their content is one skit after another. That's vastly different than, say, Everything Wrong With where they explicitly consider a movie worse based off of snobby nitpick and, more often, outright just false information.
I don't really see how you could consider their content as genuine criticism towards anything minus films on the extreme ends of things.
It's like AVGN. His content isn't really geared towards giving you a truly articulate (or even for the most part, serious) analization of the games he reviews
@@titanscar2183 Everything Wrong With isn't meant to be taken seriously. It's for entertainment purposes. I mean, they "sin" every single movie for any amount of seconds of credits in the beginning. They do point out points that are worth criticising, but I've never gotten the feeling they were "snobbily dissing" movies. I mean, they made an episode about their own channel, and they have to many videos, that if they were all meant to be taken seriously, there soon wouldn't be movies left, they actually like 😂
@@titanscar2183 At least for AVGN, he actually takes the criticism seriously at heart as he pointed out the actual flaws of a video game rather than just nitpicking some the small parts. Like he pointed out glitches, level difficulties, the awful graphics, ear-busting music/sound effects and abstract level designs. Plus, James seperated his AVGN persona to his real life counterpart to make him look like they are different people despite playing the same character and he's also a passionate filmmaker. Doug, in the other hand, let his NC persona took over that you can't tell if he's playing a character or not. Not to mention Doug is very incompetent at filmmaking which it's no wonder why Pink Floyd's The Wall review got a lot of hate.
Not to be a dick sucker but if you still think that Nostalgia Critic is a snob now, it clearly shows that you haven't watched his recent videos.
what fascinates me about channel awesome is that it follows the same pattern as its contemporaries like machinima and rooster teeth. like them, channel awesome built their legacy through the network of channels and personalities that they would acquire but would eventually crash and burn due to personalities departing, network channels becoming less relevant and more obsolete, and horrific controversies/abuses. in a way, i find that machinima's demise was a sign of what was to come for it's contemporaries such as rooster teeth, channel awesome or college humor as these type of networks became less relevant for the ever growing/evolving landscape of internet video sharing
Channe awesome, I wouldn't say they are dead they still make decent views for how many subscribers they have.
@@zacbrown3797 Yah, but the website and community is pretty much dead.
i feel like collegehumor has somewhat found their footing again with game changer and no laugh newsroom, but looking at their channel it’s more like those two segments took off and most other videos they put out get abysmal views for their size
@@reesespp3965 At the very least College Humor still makes some pretty decent content and are genuinely funny, plus I've heard next to no controversies from them so I think they can still try to make a comeback. Big emphasis on the word *TRY* there.
College Humor's temporary demise seemed like it was heavily involved in meta-issues with their parent company rather than on the creators that were a part of it. They have some very funny people who work with and for them, to the point that they even managed to create a faux-gameshow format that is actually funny and not a living nightmare to watch.
Their content has always been good too, they just got stuck in a rut while they had little creative control over their decisions. Brennan's charisma and Roll20 was a lifeline they managed to cling onto, and now they seem to have largely stabilized and possibly may even be starting to grow, as Dropout seems to actually be working for them.
"It turns out the critic is a terrible ruler and is overthrown." - Kickassia Summary
Oh no. Foreshadowing.
We've gotten to the point where Oneyplays is now integral to the history of The Nostalgia Critic. What timeline am I in?
The best timeline
The weird one
What are you shocked about ? This YTber knows about another famous YTber ? I don't get it
I bet Chris called his mom to tell her he was mentioned in a CA documentary
I have no clue who OneyPlays is, but his NC immitation killed me lmao
Man it's insane to think how big Channel Awesome used to be compared to how it is now
Now Channel Awesome has become a shell of it's former self. And each Nostalgic Critic episode nowadays feels like Critic has become less Daffy Duck and more like a guy who's trying waaaaaay too hard to being snarky. And he never talked about the allegations that happened in the studio and just continued doing his usual reviews to his viewers and subs like nothing happened.
Yeah 1 million subs and hundreds of thousands of views per video
@@CraftyArts
Time has flown.
@@CraftyArts The Nostalgia Critic used to get 1-2 million views per video. Those would pay for the channel and he didn't need to put out all of the extra videos he's putting out to make ends meet.
He also had one of the biggest collection of UA-camrs working under him including the like of Lindsay Ellis, Linkara, Team Four Star, and Angry Joe
@@CraftyArts Dude, a hundred thousand views for a million subs means that nine hundred thousand people are not watching and are probably just too lazy to unsubscribe. And you are being disingenuous to say that this figure is per video - I checked. He only averages fifty thousand for his non-film reviews.
"Making a fucking jackass of yourself" is for whatever reason such a hilarious and deep personal insult. I love it 😂
What's even more ironic is how this guy is doing the overreaction gimmick himself. It's almost like a meta *wink-wink* joke, but no, it is sincere. AVGN unwittingly spawned a whole army of these screaming goblins in his time, one could argue he caused so much collective brain damage, skibidi toilet can only hope to achieve these heights.
LordKat's self pitying rant at Spoony and Joe never fails to make me laugh
Spoony's apology is much more self flagellating. It's almost crazy that people on the internet used to talk like that
@@jslimefeld Sometimes I use the WBM to visit old websites I used to be a part of and re-read my cringy as hell content...
Yeah. It's also funny that Lordkat was instrumental in Kiwifarms as he wanted to shield himself from becoming a lolcow. In fact that guy is always cited with the Spoony/Channel Awesome controversies in a benign light while he is hardly a good guy and has a lot of controversies of his own.
He could'a been a contender!
Absolutely hilarious
I loved the Nostalgia Critic in my early teens. I even met Doug and his brother Rob at a Barnes and Noble meet and greet in 2016? 2018? Got a few pictures that have since been lost to time, (A.K.A. I formatted my SD card on accident) a few autographed photos (including a poorly drawn duel of Doug and James Rolfe of AVGN fame, Doug got a kick out of that!) Doug seemed like a really nice and considerate guy, but I could definitely see how his enthusiasm and clearly apparent disdain for confrontation could lead to hubris spiraling into controversy. While I don't watch his content anymore I wish him and his associates all the best! Great video!
“Nonsensical” is simply the best way to describe the channel awesome journey. The Melvin joker thing legitimately leaves me dumbfounded
In an odd sort of irony, the Nostalgia Critic himself makes me realize that maybe the times I feel nostalgia for weren't so great after all. Looking back and realizing that we used to think his videos were funny puts into perspective just how powerful rose colored glasses can be.
If you genuinely thought it was funny at the time, then it's not rose-colored glasses. It means it was a different time with a different environment and different standards.
@@olserknam It is true that sometimes humor that funny and relevant at one point just doesn't hold up after time passes.
I used to find him funny. Now he's cringe
This is such a god-awful, insipid Redditor-level comment that I can’t even _begin_ to process just how wracked with AIDS it is.
@@tackywhale5664 Looks like we found the guy who never grew out of liking Nostalgia Critic videos.
Been waiting for this. So much lore to cover. I used to watch CA religiously. Their downfall was so depressing. We've been needing a comprehensive summary of their failings for a while now. Thank you Joon
I still remember when the Change the Channel allegations broke after I used to binge CA. The phrase "I'm not mad, just disappointed" felt very apt.
Hope they cover Cinemassacre soon, screenwave ruined the AVGN show and the hardcore fanboys are in coping mode refusing to call them out about the downgrade of quality after the AVGN movie failed.
This is isn't even a comprehensive summary, that would be a like 6 hour video lol.
Metokur did a good series on the most important members of CA individually in a 7 part series
@@Labyrinth6000 Dylan the knight owl did a pretty long video on AVGN if you're interested.
I think the Walker brothers’ big underlying mistake was signing over the rights to his character to Michaud (something not discussed in this video but which is probably crucial to the story), who then had complete leverage over them. And then I think Michaud made the even bigger mistake trying to build That Guy with the Glasses into a company with multiple content creators that both he and the Walkers were simply too unqualified and lazy to run. If they had just stuck to developing the Walkers and their friends’ content, the channel would still probably be successful and respectable if a little passé. Instead, they got greedy, everything collapsed when the company grew beyond their friend circle, and now they’re back to square one anyways.
Exactly. They signed everything away to Michaud in 2010 and THAT'S when the Drama started.
"Square one" being...They're still going just fine?
@@grabble7605 not really, the Walkers’ viewership is probably never going to recover to their pre-ChangetheChannel heyday. Also, a relatable persona is very crucial for UA-cam personalities, and the controversy has permanently removed theirs by exposing them as blundering simpletons at best. Technically, the Walkers will probably be able to make a living as UA-camrs for the rest of their lives, but their opportunities for future growth are basically nil.
@@carlireland5049 ChangeTheChannel had zero impact on their viewership. The gradual decline is because he just isn't as funny as he was in the beginning.
@@carlireland5049 Actually Channel Awesome's numbers just recovered what they lost from change the channel. It appears to have deleted a years progress for their youtube channel. They are back to a steady rate of growth.
2 hours long, and this video is still over an hour shorter than To Boldly Flee, and 10 times as entertaining.
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TBF is an Ego Trip of Nonsense. The WORST of the Anniversary Films. Bar None.
LMAO
You wouldnt have this video without To Boldly Flee though
@@ontheturningaway Me?? What?? How?? And what does that have to do with anything??
Great video Joon. I can’t believe Joe posted that interview with Geoff online. If I got roasted like that I’d be smashing the SD card in the parking lot within 5 minutes out of embarrassment
This is the most even handed and nuanced take on the CA drama I've ever seen.
I remember I met Doug at a anime midwest he was really chill. Didn’t charge for autographs or selfies.
Same. Met him and Malcolm Ray at MGC earlier this year and they were really cool guys.
I've never met anyone who charged for autographs
Who charges for autographs and selfies?
Met him at Momocon. Even played TMNT arcade with Doug in the game room.
@@alysssabear A lot of voice actors will charge.
Mike Michaud is mentioned in this video almost as much as Michael Eisner is in Defunctland videos.
🤣🤣 you're right. Must be a Mike curse
Except Michael Eisner wasn't a bad CEO when he worked for Disney. Sure, most of the projects he spearheaded were daring, to say the least, but he knew how important the teenage demographic is for the brand and I don't think we would have ever had one of Disney "Golden Ages" without him.
Michaud, on the other hand, only thinks of the NC as the only instrumental part for the Channel, never cared for other content creators.
You missed one prominent bit of drama from around the third anniversary movie and Phelous. The site made a HUGE deal out of hosting a competition to select the effects editor for the film and it was a paid position etc (way underpaid for the job, but still) and then after everyone submitted, they just gave it to Phelous who agreed to do it for free which saved the site MAYBE $500 total, and THEN they complained about the effects. It was CA's OWN COICE to contract it out for free to avoid paying less than 1/2 a grand to someone for professional effects.
Also should’ve mentioned the Rape Rap incident as an example of Channel Awesome’s bad management
I like it how Linkara called him out on how Batman having a bat credit card wasn't really as far fetched as he thought
How do you give a vigilante a credit card? How would he make payments for said card (he was going to charge several million to buy a woman for the night.......). What credit limit do you give a vigilante? I couldn't even get a credit card when I had a full time job back in the day so how do you get one when the company doesn't even know your face. Yeah the bat credit card thing was played out but I agree with Doug, it makes no sense.
@@willlauzon3744 ua-cam.com/video/Yiwit6qMOGw/v-deo.html
@@riftshredder5438 yeah I was there for that back in the day. You will never have a credit card with Batman as the cardholder no matter how well you funnel your money. More likely he would have fake names like patches Malone or something and if he needed money that badly while fighting crime. The bat credit card makes no sense. Let me give you a brain exercise. You work for a credit card company and a piece of paper comes across your desk with the application name of Batman.
What mushroom did you smoke? Why would a vigillante have a credit card?
@@ermanbumaguin8063 well his idea of "it sound rational when you think about it" is probably:
-Batman must need to make some payments, and he wouldn't want to have his identity revealed, therefore he'd have his own credit-card that dosn't trace back to Bruce-Wayne.
but... why the fuck would he even need money at all? it's Bruce-Wayne who takes care of everything financial, not Batman
why would Batman, even need to make payments in the first-place? and if it to faciliate transactions with criminals or moles...
wouldn't it be better to use cash instead?
the entire "bat credit-card" idea is flawed from the beginning as he has NO-NEEDS to use one in the first-place.
Doug's downfall was his hubris. He was so caught up in his own little world that his ego blinded him to the cracks forming around him. This ranges from his content style being dated, decisions that will clearly not go over well, and bad actors committing heinous acts under his nose. His reality check was when everything collapsed. Instead of just fading away in shame, he picked himself up and made the most of what he had left. He has clearly grown from the experience as seen in interviews and takes the criticisms and roasting in stride, which is respectable.
And this is why I stopped watching him a couple years ago.
Is it respectable, though? He still refuses to accept any culpability for what happened. He's still not a good writer, actor, or director. And he's still a tiny little man who thinks his ideas are objectively better than others.
Doug positioned himself as the face of TGWTG, but he wasn't in charge.
"Channel Awesome, Inc. is an American online media production company based in Lombard, Illinois. The company was created in 2008 by Mike Michaud, Mike Ellis, and Bhargav Dronamraju. Channel Awesome operated the That Guy with the Glasses website until late 2014, when it was phased into the Channel Awesome website."
Michaud and Rob Walker were the main higher ups and still are. I am dubious about Doug's maturity and growth if he still works with them, even if one of them is his brother, since none of them have taken any direct responsibility for what happened beyond "we got so big communication between staff was difficult." Doug also was APPROACHED by CA creators with some of their issues and he brushed them off. So he was blinding himself.
@@PointsofData Yeah, he wasn't in charge cuz the idio† signed away his image and company to Mike without even looking at the contract.
@@PointsofData "The good tsar and the bad boyars."
Man. Spooning with Spoony has merit as an idea. Imagine if it was a Bob Ross-esque game review where Spoony was snuggled up in a blanket while quietly and calmly reviewing a game. Could’ve been fun.
Well researched summary. Not the first one I've seen about channel awesome, but one of the few that acknowledges that some of the criticism (specifically most of what lord kat said) is overblown. That guy just needed a scapegoat for his own lack of success. Let's not pretend he was one Notch interview away from blowing up.
To this day I still like Doug's Disneycemeber/DreamWorksuary's because they aren't littered with obnoxious screaming and elongated skits, it's just Doug's unfiltered thoughts played completely straight. I also enjoy the Bum reviews because they're intentionally dumb and inaccurate, even though the screaming can get annoying, you can tell that he's having fun doing those reviews because there's little production value and it feels more like a hobby than a job like his nostalgia critic videos, I only ever enjoyed the channel awesome videos when they felt like people making them for the fun of it and not for another paycheck.
Same here. I'm in a phase with content creators where I watch the channels less for the characters and more for the person behind the scenes. And once in a blue moon he'll come up with a genuine good NC video, but these days they're few and far between. His Elf review criticizes the movie for being annoying and scream heavy but his parody skits in the video are infinitely more annoying and actually have more screaming than the movie itself. He gets better and worse with time. In fact, in his 'Fantastic Mr. Fox' review, the way he describes Wes Anderson is the perfect way to describe Doug: "he's that one artist you kinda like but a part of you knows not to like"
@@CommanderShepard341 My thoughts exactly, Doug can actually make good content when he's being genuine or when he dials up the stupidity to 11 so you know you're not supposed to take it seriously.
I will also say I enjoy his side content like Dark Toons where it’s just him going over dark cartoons and you can actually *feel* his love for the subject or First Viewing where it’s him and his brother watching a movie for the first time where he can be genuinely funny in their reactions (watch the Freddy Got Fingered First Viewing, it’s hilarious) as well as his top 11s and his Commercial Episode he does every year.
I absolutely fucking loved the commercials reviews, it was such a niech thing to see old commercials and how ridiculous they were back then, he wasn't over the top on those neither.
The Dark Toons are similarly laid back. Worth checking out
I have been a big fan of nostalgia critic and a subscriber of channel awesome for so long now that it feels like forever. This channel never fails to put a smile on my face. Thank you
You’re one of my favorite channels, keep up the amazing work!
Awesome in depth documentary. I first started watching these dudes all the way back in 2013... Not so much anymore seeing most creators left after the drama and all but its nice to remanence about the good old days of how it used to be back in the day from time to time.
That is so wild. You started watching after he already quit and came back. What on earth made that an interesting prospect to you, to get into it that much past its Prime?
I met Doug at an anime-con back in about 2013 or so. He was incredibly friendly and even bought me and my gf Starbucks and talked with us for about an hour. He was really great!
And Hitler was nice to dogs and kids.
@@ChipWhitingtonIIITrue, he was a sensitive man
@@ChipWhitingtonIII completely irrelevant.
@@garretdrake2347 don't think too hard you'll strain yourself lmao
@@ChipWhitingtonIII you are really comparing dough to Hitler?
I've heard LordKat's idiotic blame game before, but this shit gets me every time. Knowing he will never be part of the fake world of gaming journalism is an absolute delight.
Yea I really wonder why no studio wanted to talk to a guy who throws temper tantrums like that online. Real mystery.
Considering GamerGate was 4 years away, he may have dodged a bullet.
Jason Pullara is Blacklisted and BANNED from Conventions and all forms of Video Game Journalism for GOOD reason: He's a Convicted Sex Offender and had to serve 3 years in Prison for Date Rape.
His reasoning also makes no sense, Spoony screamed at a convention and now he's banned from interviews with developers? Sounds like he's trying to deflect the blame to anyone but himself...
It was a funny little rant, but there has to be more to him not getting the interview than he's letting on.
I’d like to think I’m pretty well caught up on my Doug Walker/Channel Awesome lore due to being around to witness most of it, but that’s legitimately the first time I’ve ever heard about the Batman & Robin defecation footage. I have no words other then, wtf…
This videos actually misleading, that isn't Doug Walker shitting on camera, it's one of the members of CKY, like Bam Margera or Brandon DiCamillo. Still absolutely out of place in one of Doug's 5 Second Movies.
There are better videos to watch on the subject than this one. ones with fewer "creative liberties" as well.
I blocked that footage out after seeing it and this video made me remember lol
@@danculbert6349 Maybe for the modern internet standards, where everything has to be made to appeal to kids. But that video is from a time when kids still weren't the majority of the people browsing the internet.
@@danculbert6349 Thanks for at least recognizing that it is out of place for this sort of content about childfriendly subject matter. Joon thanked me for telling him about that video, but as he says in the video, he wasnt sure it was him, and I made sure to say I will never watch the video again and cant check if it is really him. It's my fault for the misinformation, but honestly, as far as I knew as a kid watching through those videos as a 9 year old NC fan in 2008, it was Doug and was appropriately disturbed and confused. Batman & Robin was one of my favorite movies as a kid, so it was in many ways, shitty. I am really sorry that according to some unintelligent commentators, this slight mistake ruins such a thorough and 99.9999% accurate video. I just wish he included Doug's "Aristocrats" video instead because no one else has and it would make a much better meme for making fun of the braindead audience of Comedy Central between 1998 and 2004.
I spent a chunk of my late 20's and early 30's sick with health issues and Bipolar II depression. Channel Awesome, its creators, and its apparent comradery kept me company while I was stuck in bed. It was often the only bright spot in my days of misery. I had a huge crush on Spoony, and NC's reviews of video game-based TV shows brought back good memories. So when the creators in the Anniversary videos started leaving the site, I was really bummed. When Allison and Phelan left, I realized they were largely miserable making those movies, and the illusion of a happy family was shattered.
The Change the Channel document was so disheartening, I can't watch my Anniversary video DVDs anymore. They feel like 2-hour long lies. Doug comes off as a genuinely nice guy who's prone to going along with more assertive people in his life, which is a shame because his drive to create, while flawed with a lack of desire or ability to improve, is impressive. I can see in Spoony's videos how his Bipolar II diagnosis (which, btw, to me sounds more like Bipolar I) set in and sadly inflated his ego. His Thank You video for his Mashable award in 2009 was sweet. By 2011-2012, his depression became apparent in his addiction to Twitter and his inability to accept concern or help during his rants that I got over my crush on him.
Anyway, thank you for making this video. It's the most comprehensive overview of the website that I've been able to find, and your inclusion of an early timeline of the site brought back memories. I witnessed all of it. I donated $25 to thatguywiththeglasses.com for BTS access to bloopers. You might have used some of the clips I saved from that site for your video, which means people have seen them and that makes me happy. The thing that other retrospectives seem to gloss over is how fun was genuinely had in TGWTG's early years - that old fans' experiences like mine were legitimate.
Pal the document is full of lies and has being proof to be unreliable for really know what was happening in the channel.
Most of it is just people being upset because the boss was acting like a boss, and the fact that Doug was more popular just make them jelous
@@franciscoarzapalozapata4610 You don't need to defend the nostalgia critic... he doesn't even know who you are.
@@Earthboundmike I'm doing it because what I said is true, people took this document as true because of the time were all of this was happening but as time passed all the lies were found out.
So even if CA actually did some things wrong no one can tell you really what it was, like I said everyone was lying in the document
@@franciscoarzapalozapata4610 Some of it was true, but we'll never really know for sure how much because there were so many half-truths and outright lies. There are a few people I'm pretty sure told the truth (like Iron Liz and Shaun Faust), but even *they* didn't have receipts to back up their claims.
Random question but did things get better for you health wise?
I think alot of the reason why he's recovered from the drama as much as he has is because of him shouting out OneyNG in a couple of his streams and being a good sport of all the light hearted digs they make at him. Shows his ego has been curbed at least a bit from back then.
And it's also helping Linkara is reacting so poorly to the same. In fact, most of the Change the Channel people are being so pathetic it makes Doug and company look better.
Honestly, the way he like genuinely laughed at the screaming clip was weirdly wholesome, like I marched through this confrontation with my own nostalgic cringe and got a nice little Shire moment where I got to see him as just a normal guy who wants to be make stuff again
@@michaelsimpson1224 I can’t even watch him after what his company did to Holly. Even if he wasn’t fully in charge he stood by the company’s decisions.
@@asmrtpop2676 I think that was more of him being too scared to get involved and not malicious intent
He lost his ego years ago
Watching internet nerds fight amongst themselves is actually pretty entertaining.
You misspelled cringe. 🤣
Honestly, Doug effectively revolutionized UA-cam content creation with his style back then. To this day, we don't do much else than watch "react" videos, after all. He simply was the first one to do it and he took it pretty far with lots of simplicity. I can't fault him for otherwise being a relatively incurious person, who's only interested in spreading their creative wings. Just being good at one thing doesn't really mean anything bad imho. Lots of people are dogshit at everything, because they lack passion, ambition, skill or simple charisma. So "Oh he's just good at doing a single thing" is always a dumb criticism, I think. We don't all need to be multi talented gods.
That being said, the abuse and mismanagement of Channel Awesome and all the previous iterations really are genuinely despicable. I think with a more competent CEO, Channel Awesome could've gone far. But as incurious as Doug is in terms of analysing art (See his lackluster The Wall), Mike seems to be even more incurious about.. well.. doing his job managing a thing that hundreds of thousands, if not even millions world wide, have appreciated over the years.
The thing is, every one of them was a lier to the point in witch you don't know what is true and what is not, there are many thing in the document that have been reveladed to be false that's so bizarre. The guy from this video doesn't do a good research and take all to face value
@@franciscoarzapalozapata4610 Interesting, will have to look into if that is the case 🤔
Thanks for teaching me a new word
@@franciscoarzapalozapata4610 Source for the things in the document being revealed as false please? I am curious to know.
@@franciscoarzapalozapata4610 when was anything "proven" false?. And even if some allegations are lies/exaggerations Im sure that is a minority due to the mountains of undeniable evidence behind so many accusations in there
Never expected the funny meme guy who makes movie reviews from time to time to have such deep lore
...he did one a week for like 10 years..
This is incredibly well-researched and put together. I thought I'd heard everything on this topic, but apparently not. Well done!
Nothing against Doug Walker personally, but it fascinates me how someone who is THAT bad at writing, directing, producing, filming, editing, gaffing, foley, special effects, and post production can unironically harshly criticize films, tv shows, and even video games for their low quality and then turn around and defend himself with "it's just a comedy sketch bro not a big deal".
Being a hypocrite aside you kinda need and can critique a film harshly as a reviewer.
@@kwayneboy1524 True, but the reason it's an issue is it undermines what he is saying. It makes it look like he's looking for whatever he can to criticize, rather than actually criticizing things he feels are valid faults, since when HE is criticized for them he defends them instead. It's like when a religious guy is super homophobic and critical of the gheys but then they catch him toweling off ballsacks at a male bathhouse: where do his values lie?
Self-awareness is success‘ greatest adversary
@@kwayneboy1524 That is true, but I'd expect him to understand that when people were harshly critiquing him, instead of blowing it off.
Been so eager for this one! You’re a legend, Joon 👏
I'm so glad the lovely fellas of Oneyplays had their own section in this video.
The way Doug responded positively to their jokes about him really made me love Doug. He just seems like a nice guy
Linkara's reaction to Oneyplays is still the best.
@@Xvladin
I don’t think anyone ever claimed Doug was actually a bad person come to think of it, merely extremely oblivious and kinda stupid.
I think it's worth noting that while Linkara did say some negative things in that live stream, he has since revisited that statement. He has said his problem is less with OneyPlays, and is more with the influx of Oney fans who spammed Linkara's socials with comments that, out of context, could be seen as insulting. Before he even knew what the context was, his view of the videos was painted by that spam and it is hard to shake that. IIRC, he also apologized for how dismissive of Oney he was in the stream.
Lewis really is a class act. All in all just a fine human.
Linkara is a good dude. And also one of the rare creators who actually admits he was wrong.
Yeah, I wasn't into the random dig on Linkara there. It seems like they're lumping him in with Doug, as if Linkara is still part of the whole Channel Awesome crew and just as awful and cringe. Linkara's an insightful comic book reviewer - the antithesis of Doug; he actually understands the medium he criticizes. Sure he did some goofy skits and ran story arcs with his reviews, but he's never been pretentious about them, and owns their inherent goofiness. I've found the skits he did charming and silly even in retrospect, whereas Doug's have always been awful and cringe no matter how much he leans into their inherent silliness.
@@SaturnineCheetahLinkara 100% takes himself too seriously. Look at how he promoted his audio play. He did it show up Doug. As to understanding the medium, I would like to both the times he said a suicidal woman was wasting Superman’s time and his DKR where he wouldn’t stop calling Batman a fascist without a reason.
As to the Oney bit, he walked it back due to backlash at how he handled it, not because he felt that way. He gets mad anytime he’s the butt of the joke, unless he writes it, in which case he still attempts to make himself look good. Look at how he responded to JonTron using the gif of him running and the meltdown he had over it.
@joeysmith555 Making way too many assumptions there. It's as if you want to hate Linkara for the sake of feeling better about yourself.
"Calling Batman a fascist for no reason". Did... did you even read the comic he was referring to? Or are you just spouting nonsense? He said that in the poorly written DK2 and ASBAR. And he's not the first one to say it. Like, look at it. In that comic, Batman is inspiring insurrection with him at the top, is blatantly lacking in empathy, talks about what he could do to control the world if he had the Green Lantern Ring (That was in ASBAR, which is a prequel to TDKR and thus Canon to it) and is overall a terrible person.
Like, I'm sorry, but some people think the rich white guy with tons of military grade equipment and child soldiers that dedicates his life to "a crusade" against crime and "taking back control of the streets" through violence and intimdation, who also happens to be written by a homophobic, racist and sexist old man (That's Frank Miller, by the by), is a little bit fascist.
Also, what the hell is that " suicidal woman is wasting Superman's time" crap? You probably took these words out of context or just made them up. He got mad at the implication that Superman would allow someone to take their own life.
By the way... I noticed it's all shit from almost 10 years ago. At this point, it's just you being petty.
Also, I don't really care about Twitter drama.
Like... let it go, m'dude.
In middle school, I was a huge fan of nostalgia critic, but no one else in my friend group was, so I didn't really have anyone to watch it with or talk about it with. I stopped watching years ago, but have been brought back to Channel Awesome memories by OneyPlays. Channel Awesome was something that other youtubers didn't talk about for a long time, and it was interesting to hear from others who used to be fans.
As much as I was super into CA, I was never that crazy about Doug and the Nostalgia Critic. His content was what initially brought me to the site back in 08-09 but his character wore out it’s welcome with me and I got way more into Spoony, Linkara, Lindsay Ellis, Brad Jones, and then later Todd in the Shadows than I ever was into NC. However to watch how epic this downfall was in real time was amazing to watch, and Doug to me doesn’t seem like a terrible person, just incompetent, annoying, and arrogant, and there’s way worse things you can be.
i've been watching Todd consistently for over a decade and his content is still great year after year!
True. Could be bald.
Todd is thankfully doing just fine
Todd is the only one I'm a Patreon for. He's still providing consistently good content.
@@Remerdre Me too, he's the best one of them
Doug Walker is a person who is basically a case study of arrested development. Not that he can be blamed for this entirely, because really, much of his audience was always immature people. When he tried to break out of it somewhat, it failed spectacularly, basically leaving him with but two options: Continue doing what made him famous or quit and do a normal day job. Of course, option #2 was unthinkable for him, and so now, even though his audience has by now either grown up or left for greener pastures, he must continue the Nostalgia Critic for as long as possible.
Of course, all of this pales in comparison to things that genuinely are his fault, like sweeping many terrible things under the rug (being an accomplice to abuse) or doing awful things himself (violating his workers' rights).
The Nostalgia Critic is a prime example of what happens when you ride on the coattails of people's success (AVGN and other reviewers from that time) without having genuine creativity or passion to keep you going.
I stopped going on channel awesome after Allison Pregler and Phelous left. By that point everyone I enjoyed was gone. But it's still very nostalgic to me because I loved it 10 years ago and I still enjoy content by people who were on there (mainly Todd )
I've never clicked on a video so fast. Happy holidays Joon! Take some well deserved time off!
Give bloodborne on pc :v
@@puchu_5001 and on PS5...
I really hate how he Americanized the entire concept of Pink Floyd the Wall
I remember a comment from the DTRH Spoony video about the Lordkat section and how pathetic the rant was, and now hearing the rant again, that comment aged like fine wine. Great coverage overall, by the way, thanks Joon
At least this time I didn't have to hear the part of the rant where he calls him a "retard". I know that wasn't nearly as frowned upon back when he did it; but it sure goes to show that both of them are assholes.
Except LordKat is absolutely no saint here either. Ignoring the fact that he's an outed lolcow or his attempted rape of Diamanda Hagan (no really, that happened; everyone remembers what JewWario did but why does Jason get ignored for what HE pulled?), the dude basically devolved into declaring war on web critics and flat out saying shit like they should go to jail. I shit you not! He tried to weaponize whatever bad experience he had with CA into taking it out on EVERYONE who does internet reviews!
Jason used to be a Facebook friend of mine back in the day and I witness first-hand his insanity and bitterness. I made a post on there calling him out for his bullshit and he straight up went off on me for it. This resulted in other people on my friends list at the time, including another web critic Eli Stone, replying back to his comment with retorts and Jason just couldn't take criticism. The whole thing became a huge mess and I was forced to delete the post entirely and subsequently unfriended and blocked Jason. That's the last time I ever interacted with LordKat.
So, NO, LordKat is NOT innocent here and his Spoony rant has aged like fucking milk, NOT wine. The only "wine" here is from that dude's mouth. He's a petty, bitter motherfucker who's rant against Spoony was only declared "right" by some people because Spoony went downhill later on. That doesn't excuse LordKat being a rapist lolcow.
@@FillmGeekOfDoom just to be clear, I said the comment about the rant being pathetic had aged like fine wine, not his rant.
@@gonegoro Ok, sorry. Regardless, I'd figure I'd give a first-hand account as I witnessed LordKat's insanity first-hand.
@@FillmGeekOfDoom no worries, I agree with your sentiments about the rant itself. Certainly has not aged well, even at the time was probably pretty cringe.
You know nostalgia critic may have been very cringy and really not that funny but the guy had passion and I respect that. At least to me. He was one of many founding fathers to the platform. Unfortunately everything has to come to an end sadly.
His downfall was his own fault. He was a horrible boss. It’s for the best it came to an end.
Comedy is subjective
Wasn’t funny then, and he’s quite an shallow, cynical creator in my opinion. That’s the opposite of passion. It’s like calling CinemaSins a movie reviewer.
@@ScrapStoriesYT hit the nail on the head
@@ScrapStoriesYT Eh, I believe you can be passionate about something and bad at it at the same time.
I hate to say this, but it cannot be understated how Doug's own borderline non-response as Mike botched everything saved his own ass. Channel Awesome would bounce back, even as their content just got infinitely worse. And its led to a Spongebob parody. Yes, a mainstream television show paid homage to the dude who Tommy Wiseau'd his way through multiple film productions while also shitting on Tommy Wiseau.
I always love the game show is meant to be Doug Kidnapping people but everyone just looks like friends fucking around while the interview show that was meant to be Doug hanging around with his friends looks like he's kidnapped them.
LOL
I feel those shows premises should have been swapped.
Didn’t expect Chris and the boys to get a six minute segment but I’m here for it
Dude already had nothing to work with because everyone else has covered this topic in excruciating detail. It makes sense to try and fill out the runtime with anything even remotely related to channel awesome.
Joon the King remembers it so I don't have to
After my fifth rewatch I will not be able to forget
Seeing Benzaie in the middle of this fiasco made me smile! He is now a well known french ytuber and his content is worth watching, the hard corner is a good show!
This was beautifully done and you went in and did your research! I lived it and it crazy to go back and look upon internet history like this. It changed alot and this was part of a driving force for the past few yrs being stupidly crazy. Thank you for this it was fun to go back and relive these memories
I like to think of Channel Awesome as an extinct pantheon. Everyone still knows about it, but nobody follows any of the characters, and the few that are still active or relevant have evolved well past how they were in the ensemble.
I can’t believe how different of a sense of humor I used to have 13 years ago. I can’t look at most of those old reviews before either gritting my teeth through them or closing the tab in embarrassment. I know part of it has to do with growing up, but it also had to do with the disdain for public and cable television in my generation. Having grown up becoming tired of what TV networks were regurgitating for us, it made seeing regular, average people running wild and free with content on the Internet feel like such a breath of fresh air.
I understand this to an extent, but thirteen years *is* a long time so try to not be too hard on yourself. So much goes on in our lives that we don't even realize at the time. Lots of times we don't even remember finding something funny/feeling a certain way, let alone _why_ we thought that way.
Yeah, that’s called "growing up" like you said and it's only that, nothing more. Don't try to embellish it, it's equally embarrassing.
@@katelynbrown98 very true, I agree. Maybe I was just super flabbergasted over it while watched the video.
@@redacted2275 I mean, I didn’t really set out to embellish anything, it was the reflecting I was doing at the time I watched this docu. I’m not ashamed of my past thoughts.
I was there, Gandalf. I was there three thousand years ago.
There’s more documentaries on Doug Walker than there are for Napoleon.
The Napoleon Critic
Bonjour, je suis la critique Napoléon
@@tglake2894
Je l'ai vaincu, pour que vous n'ayez pas à le faire !
Maybe they're just too short
Once upon a time UA-cam went through a gold rush for reviewing channels. A lot of reviewers joined Channel Awesome and it felt like you needed to be part of that collective or The Escapist in order to not get lost in the shuffle.
I had met Doug multiple times as a potential recruit for Channel Awesome. He seemed very personable and nice however most people in the convention scene warned me about Mike Michaud. It was an open secret about Mike’s being awful to work with.
It’s a shame what happened to CA but at the same time it couldn’t stay stable with poor management.
I wasn't prepared for the secondhand embarrassment from the Angry Joe interview again.
The mid 2000s were a different era of UA-cam where people who yelled at bad video games or movies got tons of subscribers and engagement. The likes of Nostalgia Critic, AVGN, Irate Gamer, Spoony etc could be considered in this category, where their angry reviewer trope was extremely popular.
That kind of humor might appeal to our teenage selves, but as we grow up and become adults, we would either find it unfunny or annoying instead. AVGN's content evolved (which is why he is still quite relevant), but the NC did not, which was why many of his fans left him, while Spoony (sadly) had a ton of personal problems that made him not continue making videos.
In what world is Irate Gamer on the same level as AVGN and NC? They are light-years ahead of Irate Gamer in quality and comedy.
Even the worst AVGN episode is still way better than the best Irate Gamer episode.
Like it's not even close.
@@themonsterunderyourbed9408tbf i think its coming from the general appeal that angry reviewers once had, even if they had differences in quality
@@themonsterunderyourbed9408 Rolfe's R.O.B. Review was INFERIOR to Bores' review. AVGN's Sega CD review was pretty terrible as well.
Even though everyone wants to make a performance of themselves quitting their most disliked job like Doug did, businesses have a tendency to look back at past jobs for reference as to how eligible for hire one is. And uploading it to UA-cam only makes that easier. As a piece of advice, I'd strongly advise anyone considering doing something similar to just... not. It's a miracle Doug actually managed to make a career after that.
Guy was a janitor. They don't get hired for their professional standards.
@@JoeTAC yes they kind of do depends on the company. I can speak from experience as I've actually worked as a factory janitor before. Some companies? Sure they just want boots on the ground. Others? Nah you gotta know your shit or at least be willing to learn.
@@JoeTAC I work as a hospital janitor. I dont know about other fields, but in the medical field they do expect everyone to have some semblence of proffesionalism, even the floor scrubbers.
its a really dumb way to make things harder for yourself.
@@Elonyx.studios yeah cause that’s a hospital 😂 of course you have to be professional there. Places like Walmart or Fast food don’t care if a dude is not a professional
It's crazy that nostalgia critic became nostalgia.
The Channel Awesome situation becomes a lot less funny when you remember they aren't teenagers messing around and wasting money they're not supposed to have and are a bunch of actual adults doing stuff like this.
Yeah I'm still wondering what the heck happened to that *90k* if no woe got paid for it.
@igor
"Hands on a window pane,
Watching some children laugh and play.
They're running in circles,
With candy canes and French bu-raids.
Inspired to question,
What makes us grown-ups anyway?
Let's search for the moment
When youth betrayed itself to age"
-Scott Stapp (Creed)
I always thought Doug's luck was more instrumental to his success then his actual talent. He was nearly the second person after AVGN to do the whole angry review style and being how successful James was some of that rubbed off on Doug.
There were many other "angry reviewers", they're just the only two with staying power
@@LordSluggo AvGn was the first to do it though. Even before he went on UA-cam
IIRC, Doug actively pursued to be associated with AVGN, and the whole "feud" thing started completely from Doug's end. The first time they appeared together, Doug went to encounter James during a public appearance, in-character, and filmed it. I don't think any of that had been planned with James, who was more or less forced into the situation.
I really hope Joon the King covers cinemassacre. AVGN is creatively dead now. Every episode that comes out sucks due to screenwave and James ever since his failed movie has never been the same since. So many of his original friends like Bootsy, Mike, and Kyle got fed up with working with some guy who can’t stop talking about old movies no one cares about as well as using an outdated system for making videos, aka, less time to do anything. There’s even a subreddit dedicated to calling him out called thecinemassacretruth
@@Labyrinth6000 Nah. AVGN is still pretty active to get its own "rise and fall" video and that subreddit itself seems pretty toxic itself. The Screenwave guys are the one who got into the Cinemassacre's decline in the first place and James is just being himself, has a family on his own, and he's just living in a success without affiliating any controversies except for a few (like the plagiarism part). It's just that you are something of a guy who always find something to get outraged about.
It’s exhausting trying to keep up with all this internet drama, I can’t even begin to think what it was to research it, put it together, and make a video of it.
Is it? Just watch one of the other 500 video essays on him and just copy those.
I remember watching Channel Awesome a lot as a teen. I dropped off when they did more sketches instead of showing clips from the movie. It disconnected me so much from the content. How can you understand a movie review only using re-enactments? What was part of the movie, what was just a joke for the review? It basically made the reviews incomprehensible to me. You had to have already watched the movie to understand the re-enactments better, but I wanted a review before I watch the movie. So, I found other people that made reviews of movies on their own instead of watching a bunch of people, re-enact the movie, while making the review more confusing.
Yeah, the skits were what pushed me away too. They were completely unfunny and excessive… yet he wouldn't stop doing them, no matter how many fans begged him to stop.
All of his reviews completely spoil the movies anyway by recapping the plot. Why would you watch them before watching the movies?
The skits always gave me horrible second hand embarrassment, kinda like watching a school play
@@theoddbox He seldom does them anymore.
@@olserknam Might sound cringe, but I was one of those kids who didn't grow up with a lot of movies (broke, strict parents). Nostalgia Critic was appealing because I was able to "see" the movies I missed out on but through a condensed and cynical lens.
I find his reviews on older movies much more charming than whatever he's doing now. Though the candid, unscripted reviews he does alone or with his brother are great. That whole review structure with skits and whatnot is dying out for a reason. People don't want that from UA-camrs anymore.
It looks like he's been reviewing the next generation of nostalgia though, which is smart for longevity reasons.
Nobody deserved this style of video more than Doug Walker
Its crazy how Channel Awesome was basically just 100 people ripping off the AVGN only for nearly every single one of them to crash and burn while the nerd is still going strong
Even with that one fiasco that happened with CInemassacre, it wasnt bad enough for me to loose the respect i have for James Rolfe
If you say that AVGN is still going strong, you could as well say that NC is still going strong. Both of them are getting much lower views than they used to and both have dedicated hatedoms.
Doug has his flaws, there's no denying that, but I've always appreciated how the man can take a joke.
Unlike several of the Change The Channel members.
Too bad his job isn't taking jokes but trying to make them. And for that, there really aren't many who are worse than him
@Henrik Gønge Fjord Mikkelsen No way, he just has an older maybe 2005-7ish kind of style. He's actually still doing well making the same style of content he always has and still has a sizable viewer base!
When you hear Chris/Zach from OneyPlays make jokes about Doug, and then hear him react by saying "I think they're really funny! I like those guys!" you can't help but love Doug.
Especially compared to Linkaras reaction which was something like "they aren't funny and I hate them" lol
Making them is a whole nother story
I bet Chris is psyched that he and the boys are part of Channel Awesome lore now.
Had the Walker brothers cut ties with Mike Michaud when the #ChangeTheChannel controversy was just getting started, they might've been able to salvage their reputation. Mike Michaud seems like such a toxic person to work for.
dude just straight up seems like an asshole.
One problem with that: Mike owns the rights to the Nostalgia Critic character, it doesn't belong to Doug. So he and Rob stay with CA and continue to associate with that motherfucker. He's got them by the balls. Hah!
Chris's wildest dreams have come true. Oneyplays is officially part of the Doug Walker story
The Batman and Robin in 5 seconds thing that’s a clip from CKY 2k, where Bam Margera did skits and pranks with his friends. In particular a prank where they smeared feces on one of their friends, complete with the shot of the guy defecating in the toilet
i applaud you for relaying this information so that no one else has to find it 🫡🫡
@@sageslittlechannel a pity that takes up more space in my memory than something more valuable 😂😂😂
Channel Awesome got me through college, especially Spoony. His downfall hit the hardest for me bc he was my favorite content creator. I practically binged his stuff everytime I sat down to draw
Same here, he had his problems but when it was good, he was really entartaining
I genuinely think he could've made it big on here, if he'd found a balance. Light hearted Spoony content was comfy watching, I liked (fake) hanging out with that guy. His demons got him pretty hard though, I think I'm still subscribed to him but man I just can't bring myself to watch him misery stream in silence.
@@0lionheart Oh man I tried to watch some of his streams. They’re like both painful and sad to watch.
@@DoodleThis he seems to be doing genuinely better lately, he did an interesting interview which is on UA-cam if you're interested
Their Sibling Riverly videos are the only ones I can sit through now without vouching their NC series
Perfectly executed video. You can feel the quality of work and research you did throughout its duration.
I didn't know too much about Nostalgia Critic or Channel Awesome until Mr Metokur did a series on the subjects way back when, and I had no idea about the Oney spoofs or that Larry Bundy was (one of the last) part of the crew. Thank you for the video king.
I used to watch the Nostalgia Critic every week from 2009 to early April 2010. I took a family vacation in April 2010 and missed some videos. I ended up never catching up with the videos that I missed, and haven't watched anything on Channel Awesome since then.
That's honestly a pretty funny memory considering that's good we lose interest in a lot of our early favorite creators
I loved the craziness of Spoony. I believe he was my favorite creator at that time. I discovered Worthabuy because of spoony, he looked a bit like him the first time I saw his thumbnails with his iconic sunglass. Anyways great video and much nostalgia of content right there. The room review is still the best in my opinion.