I really had to listen for the "click" to hear it. If you hadn't said anything I probably wouldn't have noticed it :-) "Try not to achieve perfection, as it does not exist!" Anyway, I liked the video and look forward to the proejcts you will use the CNC on!
I didn't notice the click either, but if you use an audio editor like WavePad you could isolate the click and filter it out. It's pretty easy and only takes a couple minutes to clean up the whole audio track. I have used it to eliminate similar noises in some of my videos.
Marius you don't need to apologise, the clicking in the audio was so minor it wasn't a distraction. You can tell you're German with how much of a perfectionist you are 😊
This channel is critically underrated. Subscribed now, I will enjoy seeing your numbers grow. You have the potential for many millions of subs, just keep on doing what you are doing. Gute Arbeit, weiter so!
I really like watching you. You are a regular guy just being himself, and trying to help other people. It shows that you genuinely care if you are helping people. You are so kind, and considerate. Your videos are as good as a lot of the really high quality production videos that I watch simply because you are a good human. Don't stop being you. :)
I’m more concerned with the information that you impart rather than the quality of the production, I’d still happily watch this in 720p recorded on a phone or tablet.
I’m delighted you are making videos again. After your flattening jig it seemed like you disappeared. Thanks for the extreme standards you hold yourself and your work to. It is motivation to the rest of us less inspired woodworkers.
Where the vacuum hose connects to the spindle, suspend the hose with long spring / surgical tube / bungee cord from the ceiling, so there is a very slight upward force on the spindle, rather the full downward force of the hose's weight Also, another point: I've seen several other vids where a spindle held only on the bottom tilted, deflected with strong forces on the tool. you can see this by using weight scale to pull on the a bottom of a rod in the collet, with the spindle in lowest position . The solution was to add a another support at top of the spindle. Which of course, MH could make with 3D printer. :)
Hi Marius, the way you tried to align the spindle axis perpendicular to the X-Y plane is not the best way. It only works if you know that the Z-Axis is moving perfectly perpendicular to the X-Y plane. And I doubt that the Z-Axis is perfectly aligned. A better way where the alignment of the Z-Axis doesn't matter is to mount an dial indicator on the spindle axis somehow so it extends to the side. This does not require any precise things. It just has to be rigid enough. Then you need a surface that is parallel to the X-Y plane. You have flattened the surface of your wood plate right? Than that's the surface you can use. Rotate the spindle so the indicator is on the left and zero it. Then rotate it by 180° so it is on the right. If the spindle axis is perpendicular the indicator should also show zero. Repeat that for the other axis. Then you will have a nearly perfect aligned spindle axis. I hope the explanation is understandable. Best Alex
Hey Alex, a Video is better than thousands of words: why not make one on your channel or is there already one available ? Oh and BTW: are not his test all about the Z- axis only ? He is testing in place up‘n‘down ( z-axis ) while he is not testing on a different place ( x/y axis ) . It is also my understanding, that with this method he will also compensate miss-alignments in the z axis.
@@peacekeeper5119 maybe it's a good idea to make some video about that. You can also align the spindel axis by doing test cuts with a big cutter. That can be very accurate too. One thing is to look for steps and another thing is to look at the circle pattern. It should have marks from both leading and trailing cutting edges. I don't know how good the tool marks are visible on wood. But the steps from the passes should be visible. And of course this has to be done again for both directions. @Marius pleas don't understand that as offending or so. It should just be a friendly advice how you can further improve your CNC :)
Alex CNC hmm, „looking“ at testcuts sounds not like measure. Maybe there is a way to measure it better ? Video would be excellent. Wood of course is much depending on moisture and grain direction (beside temperature etc also for other material ) so once cut with high accuracy, there is a good chance that later it is anyhow not the same size 😄. But Felder allows to use the CNC also for other non-FE material, so setup could be an important game changer.
@@peacekeeper5119 in aluminium you can easily see a misalignment of about 0,02mm measured over 200mm distance. With testcuts you don't need a dial indicator and a good way to measure the X-Y plane. But Marius has a good X-Y plane with his surfaced waste board. So I would use the dial indicator method there. Once set this won't needed to be set again and it also doesn't matter what material he is cutting as long as the machine does not flex to much. Of course if the Z-axis bends a lot due to the cutting forces there will be steps in the material again.
Was a musician in a past life. Often our microphones would sometimes pick up radio frequencies from local radio stations. Could just be that the CNC box was putting out a frequency that your microphone picked up.
I believe by tramming this way You made the spindle parallel to Z axis. This means that if Z axis is not perpendicular to the work surface the cutter is still cutting these groves. My suggestion would be to tram against the waste board (by attaching gauge to arm sticking out sideways from spindle, then by turning spindle and adjusting for same value for whole rotation).. At least I do it that way, but my machine is much, much cheaper and less rigid..
Have fun with your CNC machine. I don't know what controller it uses, but if you're not married to a particular CAD/CAM, Vectric is pretty awesome. Brilliantly easy to use, but quite powerful.
I feel like by having a rod in there that is off in two directions the first measurement can't be precise because the Indicator isn't always touching the "highest" point of the rod. If it is at the bottom it should slowly fall off that ridge when going up and vice versa.
Those lines are basically nonexistent and easily sandable! You truly are a perfectionist. I was wondering if the bit itself might be contributing to some degree also.
That happened to me. There are things in the editing software that can remove noise. There are tutorials, that I just watched because it happened to me yesterday. I typed in "remove hissing noise from videos", and found a lot of tutorial videos.
Wow, interesting calibration ! I wonder how Felder is supporting that. At least you would need the measurement setup as an option. Also what I did not capture: is the remote control part from the software or part of Felders Hardware ? So is the Eding SW Part of the Hammer CNC ? Your mic might capture „electrical high freq noise“ from a circuit inside the remote control. Try to wrap some „grillfolie / Alu „ around your mic housing to prevent that. You might need to connect the stuff to ground , but often wrapping around is good enough. Thanks for this interesting video !
Even if setup perfectly from Felder, a lot can happen during shipping and setting up the machine that knocks off the accuracy in the 1/100 mm. The remote is part of the software. Felder doesn't make the softwar or the remote, they just use it.
Marius Hornberger while I total understand that any machine needs a setup at the place where you use it ( same with your or mine K3 ), I wonder if Felder delivers the tools to do so? For the K3 no setup tools are delivered, but they mention what is required. Your special hand made tool ( maybe from the lathe you have build the stand for 😁) e.g. would be a tool that at least is required for the setup. What is Felder suggesting ?
Very interesting way to confirm that spindle is not vertical to base. I will be nice to find who can sell the vertical probe for the router to do the tests. I did not notice any noise =D.
yeah, its amazing what out electronics pick up. My headphones make a noise everytime you pass through a seonsors beam especially the anti-theft ones in stores
Every machine, no matter how expensive, needs adjustments. Many things can happen during shipping and setting up a machine that you don't notice until you meassure in the 1/100 mm
Some CNC machines use highly sensitive equipment that can be affected by wireless signals. We are not allowed to use a wireless keyboard or mouse on our CNC controller at work because of this. I have heard stories of machine gantrys moving around the table from purely wireless signal interference.
If the microphone or the remotecontrol are really a problem, ask somebody, which has knowledge in RF-Noise. Probably a radio-amateur or an electronic-technician. Perhaps one can help you. I think, one of the devices has not enough shielding. Cheerio from the swabian-country.
@1:54 ... 4,000 RPM out of Zero volts? Perpetual motion!! :) I had to play it back just for that. LOL... thanks for posting, I always enjoy your channel!
@@MariusHornberger Schade... Die wäre aber so schön sauber gewesen, da die Neue ja Dreck ohne Ende macht. Aber ist das dann nur eine Leihgabe von Felder oder haben sie dir die Fräse quasi ,,vermacht´´? MfG
Since I first watched this video last year I have been looking for the quick release router but can only find quick release for drill bits from Mafell. Can you post a link or are they not on general release yet?
@@MariusHornberger Thanks. I contacted Timberwolf Tool here in the USA and they told me the quick change version is not available in the USA as it is only made in the 230V version.
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Your method of checking your spindle's alignment is based solely on the fact that you assume your other axis works ok. Never do that, now, if you didn't show it in the video, that's something else, but if you didn't, the procedure to entry level CNC grading is to start from the largest to the smallest element, group by group, until the last item to check, is a cylindrical precision item.
I don't want to sound like a butt head ,,, but why would you need to adjust the speed in the software when you can just reach to the dial and change it.?????
I really had to listen for the "click" to hear it. If you hadn't said anything I probably wouldn't have noticed it :-)
"Try not to achieve perfection, as it does not exist!"
Anyway, I liked the video and look forward to the proejcts you will use the CNC on!
Amen
Amen
I listened carefully and still heard nothing.
I didn't notice the click either, but if you use an audio editor like WavePad you could isolate the click and filter it out. It's pretty easy and only takes a couple minutes to clean up the whole audio track. I have used it to eliminate similar noises in some of my videos.
I sure appreciate the way you tackle and then resolve the various issues that come up. Very much enjoy your videso.
Many things went wrong with this video. Mostly parts of the video production. Sometimes that's just how it is.
That and the spelling in the title ;) (I joke, my German is terrible and your grasp of English puts it utterly to shame)
I enjoyed it anyway :)
This was super helpful to me in explaining how to adjust my CNC, which will give me something to do this afternoon. Thanks for the video!
"It's how it is" ... an enjoyable video by a master woodworker with !quiet! high standards... Dankeschön
Marius you don't need to apologise, the clicking in the audio was so minor it wasn't a distraction.
You can tell you're German with how much of a perfectionist you are 😊
This channel is critically underrated. Subscribed now, I will enjoy seeing your numbers grow. You have the potential for many millions of subs, just keep on doing what you are doing.
Gute Arbeit, weiter so!
These Spindles are really awesome!
I really like watching you. You are a regular guy just being himself, and trying to help other people. It shows that you genuinely care if you are helping people. You are so kind, and considerate. Your videos are as good as a lot of the really high quality production videos that I watch simply because you are a good human. Don't stop being you. :)
Great video. Didn't notice any sound issues. : ) That quick release is so cool. Wish all routers had them. Mahalo for sharing! : )
I’m more concerned with the information that you impart rather than the quality of the production, I’d still happily watch this in 720p recorded on a phone or tablet.
I’m delighted you are making videos again. After your flattening jig it seemed like you disappeared. Thanks for the extreme standards you hold yourself and your work to. It is motivation to the rest of us less inspired woodworkers.
Video = 10/10
Sound = 9.9/10
Content = 10/10
Acting = 10/10
I think that it’s almost acceptable. 👍
But no outakes 😡 ;
The channel is very underrated.
Stay safe Marius, take care!
Where the vacuum hose connects to the spindle, suspend the hose with long spring / surgical tube / bungee cord from the ceiling, so there is a very slight upward force on the spindle, rather the full downward force of the hose's weight
Also, another point:
I've seen several other vids where a spindle held only on the bottom tilted, deflected with strong forces on the tool.
you can see this by using weight scale to pull on the a bottom of a rod in the collet, with the spindle in lowest position .
The solution was to add a another support at top of the spindle. Which of course, MH could make with 3D printer. :)
Marius Puppet Pals: The Mysterious Clicking Noise
I wonder which other UA-camrs would be featured :D
Great information and the audio was fine. A few blips, but they were very minor. Excellent work and information as always!
That machine looks delicious, and I look forward to seeing what you make with it.
I'm really glad to see you uploading regularly again
Hi Marius,
the way you tried to align the spindle axis perpendicular to the X-Y plane is not the best way. It only works if you know that the Z-Axis is moving perfectly perpendicular to the X-Y plane. And I doubt that the Z-Axis is perfectly aligned. A better way where the alignment of the Z-Axis doesn't matter is to mount an dial indicator on the spindle axis somehow so it extends to the side. This does not require any precise things. It just has to be rigid enough. Then you need a surface that is parallel to the X-Y plane. You have flattened the surface of your wood plate right? Than that's the surface you can use. Rotate the spindle so the indicator is on the left and zero it. Then rotate it by 180° so it is on the right. If the spindle axis is perpendicular the indicator should also show zero. Repeat that for the other axis. Then you will have a nearly perfect aligned spindle axis. I hope the explanation is understandable.
Best
Alex
Yeah it would be better, though this is wood. Examples can be found my searching for "tramming a mill".
Hey Alex, a Video is better than thousands of words: why not make one on your channel or is there already one available ?
Oh and BTW: are not his test all about the Z- axis only ? He is testing in place up‘n‘down ( z-axis ) while he is not testing on a different place ( x/y axis ) . It is also my understanding, that with this method he will also compensate miss-alignments in the z axis.
@@peacekeeper5119 maybe it's a good idea to make some video about that. You can also align the spindel axis by doing test cuts with a big cutter. That can be very accurate too. One thing is to look for steps and another thing is to look at the circle pattern. It should have marks from both leading and trailing cutting edges. I don't know how good the tool marks are visible on wood. But the steps from the passes should be visible. And of course this has to be done again for both directions. @Marius pleas don't understand that as offending or so. It should just be a friendly advice how you can further improve your CNC :)
Alex CNC hmm, „looking“ at testcuts sounds not like measure. Maybe there is a way to measure it better ? Video would be excellent. Wood of course is much depending on moisture and grain direction (beside temperature etc also for other material ) so once cut with high accuracy, there is a good chance that later it is anyhow not the same size 😄. But Felder allows to use the CNC also for other non-FE material, so setup could be an important game changer.
@@peacekeeper5119 in aluminium you can easily see a misalignment of about 0,02mm measured over 200mm distance. With testcuts you don't need a dial indicator and a good way to measure the X-Y plane. But Marius has a good X-Y plane with his surfaced waste board. So I would use the dial indicator method there. Once set this won't needed to be set again and it also doesn't matter what material he is cutting as long as the machine does not flex to much. Of course if the Z-axis bends a lot due to the cutting forces there will be steps in the material again.
Was a musician in a past life. Often our microphones would sometimes pick up radio frequencies from local radio stations. Could just be that the CNC box was putting out a frequency that your microphone picked up.
You have some neat pieces of equipement.
I believe by tramming this way You made the spindle parallel to Z axis. This means that if Z axis is not perpendicular to the work surface the cutter is still cutting these groves. My suggestion would be to tram against the waste board (by attaching gauge to arm sticking out sideways from spindle, then by turning spindle and adjusting for same value for whole rotation).. At least I do it that way, but my machine is much, much cheaper and less rigid..
The spindle lock mechanism is a fantastic bit of engineering. I would love to own the patent on that. Good video.
Have fun with your CNC machine. I don't know what controller it uses, but if you're not married to a particular CAD/CAM, Vectric is pretty awesome. Brilliantly easy to use, but quite powerful.
I feel like by having a rod in there that is off in two directions the first measurement can't be precise because the Indicator isn't always touching the "highest" point of the rod. If it is at the bottom it should slowly fall off that ridge when going up and vice versa.
Those lines are basically nonexistent and easily sandable! You truly are a perfectionist. I was wondering if the bit itself might be contributing to some degree also.
Right. Lines appear because bit spins in opposite direction during two passes. It's just a visual effect of wood fibers bended in opposite directions.
That happened to me. There are things in the editing software that can remove noise. There are tutorials, that I just watched because it happened to me yesterday. I typed in "remove hissing noise from videos", and found a lot of tutorial videos.
You and your pursue of German perfection! :P lol. It was amazing as always! Great Job as always Marius!
The jog wheel is really radiating. Maybe you should only work with lead vest in the future! 😁😁
Wow, interesting calibration ! I wonder how Felder is supporting that. At least you would need the measurement setup as an option. Also what I did not capture: is the remote control part from the software or part of Felders Hardware ? So is the Eding SW Part of the Hammer CNC ?
Your mic might capture „electrical high freq noise“ from a circuit inside the remote control. Try to wrap some „grillfolie / Alu „ around your mic housing to prevent that. You might need to connect the stuff to ground , but often wrapping around is good enough.
Thanks for this interesting video !
Even if setup perfectly from Felder, a lot can happen during shipping and setting up the machine that knocks off the accuracy in the 1/100 mm. The remote is part of the software. Felder doesn't make the softwar or the remote, they just use it.
Marius Hornberger while I total understand that any machine needs a setup at the place where you use it ( same with your or mine K3 ), I wonder if Felder delivers the tools to do so?
For the K3 no setup tools are delivered, but they mention what is required. Your special hand made tool ( maybe from the lathe you have build the stand for 😁) e.g. would be a tool that at least is required for the setup. What is Felder suggesting ?
Very interesting way to confirm that spindle is not vertical to base. I will be nice to find who can sell the vertical probe for the router to do the tests. I did not notice any noise =D.
After watching this video all I could think is... he now has a spare spindle with quick change that he no longer needs and would love to give away!
yeah, its amazing what out electronics pick up. My headphones make a noise everytime you pass through a seonsors beam especially the anti-theft ones in stores
Isn't it strange you have to shim an expensive machine like this? Or is that also how it is suggested in the Hammer/Felder manual?
Every machine, no matter how expensive, needs adjustments. Many things can happen during shipping and setting up a machine that you don't notice until you meassure in the 1/100 mm
@@MariusHornberger I can understand that. I just thought that they would have added some 'official' method to calibrate it, not shims.
@@michael.knight Shims are a pretty reliable and cheap way to do something like this (infrequent and subject to vibration) :-)
Were did you buy the shim-stock? :)
Do you have the link to both spindles please?
Great video mate, really enjoy your channel. 👍👍👍
Hi Marius,
Nice setup.
Do you know if this quick release is sold separately and if would fit a 43mm router shaft?
Thanks for your content!
No, that's only available with the motor
What did you do with your xcarve?
Some CNC machines use highly sensitive equipment that can be affected by wireless signals. We are not allowed to use a wireless keyboard or mouse on our CNC controller at work because of this. I have heard stories of machine gantrys moving around the table from purely wireless signal interference.
What’s that clicking noise LOL, thanks for the share as usual
A machine like this should have alignment screws, to center and setup the x and y axis right.
sehr schönes Video, und endlich habe ich verstanden wie man die ZAchse sauber einrichtet DANKE :-)
Leider habe ich bisher nirgends die shims gefunden.
I really liked that quick release spindle, but couldnt find it. Could you please provide a link?
You just need to search for "Mafell quick release spindel"
If the microphone or the remotecontrol are really a problem, ask somebody, which has knowledge in RF-Noise. Probably a radio-amateur or an electronic-technician. Perhaps one can help you. I think, one of the devices has not enough shielding.
Cheerio from the swabian-country.
@1:54 ... 4,000 RPM out of Zero volts? Perpetual motion!! :) I had to play it back just for that. LOL... thanks for posting, I always enjoy your channel!
Sounds somewhat strange when you don't pay full attention
Hallo Marius,
top Video über die neue Hammer CNC, aber ich habe noch eine Frage...
Was ist mit deiner alten Inventables CNC Fräse passiert?
MfG
Die schläft im Moment :)
@@MariusHornberger Schade... Die wäre aber so schön sauber gewesen, da die Neue ja Dreck ohne Ende macht.
Aber ist das dann nur eine Leihgabe von Felder oder haben sie dir die Fräse quasi ,,vermacht´´?
MfG
Could someone tell me the specific model names or numbers of those quick change Hammer spindles, please?
What is that flattening bit? Where can I get one like that?
Since I first watched this video last year I have been looking for the quick release router but can only find quick release for drill bits from Mafell. Can you post a link or are they not on general release yet?
produkte.mafell.de/fraesen/fraesmotor/
That's the german link, though. I don't know if they sell it worldwide already.
OK Marius thanks for the reply.@@MariusHornberger
Good video! Thank you!
Question ; You never really seemed to use the last CNC router, why get another?
I used it more off camera
Next station: Toolchanger :-)
Fantastic
It's hammer time!
Hello Markus. What is the power of this engine and what is the price please. Can you send me internet Link, please thank you very much
1000W cost about 600€
Will you test the atc version of kress spindle.
No, but the ATC for 43mm spindles like the Kress.
Nice video but where is the click ?
Nice job on verification of tram, and good explanation of same. Thanks for the video, and please carry on with them, as always, cheers and keep safe!
Quarantine and school out = more content from many creators.
It is wireless radiation. Similar to a Geiger Counter.
Can you provide a like or any information on this spindle please? I have searched and didn't find anything on the Hammer website.
The spindles are the same as the mafell ones. You'll find information on their website
@@MariusHornberger Thanks. I contacted Timberwolf Tool here in the USA and they told me the quick change version is not available in the USA as it is only made in the 230V version.
strange. What does the voltage have to do with the size and shape of the spindle/tool changer
@@MariusHornberger I was surprised too, but that's the response I got in an email
Is the hammer branded spindle still made by mafell in Germany?
Yes
When all you have is a hammer every job becomes a cnc (nail)?
;)
Nice man!
Good video.
Very Very Cool👍
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Your method of checking your spindle's alignment is based solely on the fact that you assume your other axis works ok. Never do that, now, if you didn't show it in the video, that's something else, but if you didn't, the procedure to entry level CNC grading is to start from the largest to the smallest element, group by group, until the last item to check, is a cylindrical precision item.
the clicking is EFI
@02:40 that spindle sounds really bad... like it's vibrating a lot or something....
nice
Oh man, I'm unsubscribing if the audio is bad, no I'm not, I know shit happens. I'm sure there will be some people that complain though.
🔧😊👍
No outakes 🤨
you can just delete the right channel and duplicate the left to the right, problem solved :)
Am I taking crazy pills or does that look like a direct drive angle grinder?
gaskets are nonsense..You need to scrape
8 minuti per montare una punta e tante chiacchiere senza una dimostrazione pratica.
I don't want to sound like a butt head ,,, but why would you need to adjust the speed in the software when you can just reach to the dial and change it.?????
When it's set up in the programm it does it automatically. Just think you're making 100 parts and every time you have to change the speed manually