This is the type of match you get when you have 2 baseline grinders that don't give you an inch and you have to work your ass off for every point! And as Hermont said, definitely want to see a rematch in the near future! Well done, guys!
In my area, 5.5 rating means you no longer can be part of social USTA league matches. Just not enough players at 5.5. But UTR 12 is definitely not 5.0.
@@hooxenv9692 i do have some 5.5 in my area, but it is tough to play tennis. Only league they can play is like 10.5 mixed. Or they have to play open division tournaments
@@TTGamingTrinh If I’m 5.5, I probably will quit tennis and pick up a brand new sport. I refuse to sandbag and there isn’t any recreational league for me to socialize and enjoy.
Love the camera angle on this match. You can really see the height of almost every baseline shot they hit. And then see how low and flat their aggressive shots are.
Well...If Hermont is a 5.0, then your average player is a 1.5. Some seriously high intensity and brutal hitting. I'm sure the balls were happy when the game was done. Amazing series. Thanks as always Winston! M
5.0 rating varies so much, lots of people don’t want to be 5.5 rated and appeal down to 5.0 so they can play leagues. Everyone in my region in 5.0 that gets bumped up appeal down so that they can continue playing competitively because there’s not enough open players for the next league. In the pnw Hermont would have competitive 5.0 leagues matches. USTA ratings are kinda bogus imo, UTR is much better and I hope they do away with USTA ratings eventually
@@-Munditimum- I’m a solid 4.0. I have a hard time telling a 5.0 from a 5.5, until they go H2H. Then you can tell the difference. They would both destroy me, I know that much!
It's easy to see Toby's potential - his skill is apparent. Great consistency with his strokes, decent variety with his serve, great feet. He looks like a coach's dream. With some good coaching and the additional physical strength he'll gain with time, he's gonna be a beast!
What a great match. They both played so well! Looking forward to seeing more of both players on your channel and seeing Toby going deep in this tournament series 💪🏻
Great match. Toby started getting more of his body into the ball as the match went along. Started off hitting all of his forehands as reverse pivots, and then started double pivoting his body into it as the match went along.
Wow, top tier content. Toby putting on a total clinic... the chip returns on Hermont's first serve totally neutralized one of his biggest weapons. At some point he realized his backhand was better than Hermont's, and hit every ball there, avoiding Hermont's other biggest strength. It seemed like if the point ever went to Toby's backhand, it was his point.
Toby hits so deep and with great pace , just completely took hermont out of his normal game which seems to be more attack based. Interested to see him play the other matchup
I’m a Hermont fan. Just love the way the guy thinks thru a match. Toby is awesome I wish him the best at Brown. I honestly think as things stand right now they would go about 50/50 if they played each other consistently. Good match!
Awesome, heavy hitting and good movement from both. Top notch amateur level, very fun to watch. Hard to grasp these guys probably still loose bagels to top atp pros. But then who knows? What do you think? I was decent club and team player. 40 years ago. At times i thought i was potentionally quite good. But against these two: no chance. Even back then. Tennis definitely grew in depth. Good, it's a great sport.
Man impressed with Toby's strokes. Maybe he was pressing a little too much at the start cause the legend of Hermant is known all around SoCal now thanks to Winston.
Toby is gonna be amazing when he learns how to attack and come to net. Props to his coach for getting him to work on it, like he said he was going to before the match (even though he didn't). Even now, when he's locked in, he plays way above 11.
I said it in a previous video, but I''ll say it again: Hermont is so good! Dude is very consistent. I'm a 4.5, and if he is a 5.0, I don't think I'll ever get to that level.
High quality tennis. Hermont’s balls seem to sit more so Toby is able to attack it. If Hermont can get his balls to be more penetrating or have more kick I think it would be hard to beat Hermont.
Toby's ball is slightly slower but spinnier and heavier than Niels's, giving Hermont no pace to work with. Big loop with decent swing weight (lead tape added to 3, 9 & 12) combo makes his forehand deadly and consistent.
Ik this is a dumb question and its all preference but next time could you ask them how they hold there racket like semi western, western and so on cause i want to see what is the most common.
Hermont seems to be working a lot less hard than the other guy --- which is impressive because he is much smaller. Must be an equipment thing? Heavy racquet and low tension?
High quality stuff! Toby was pressing too much in the beginning and gave away a lot of points, like losing his serve by double faulting 3 times in 1 game, including twice in a row at deuce. That's the only reason that Hermont got ahead early. Once Toby calmed down and played within himself, he won 7 straight games because he's a little better in every area, especially the serve.
NTRP is a dinosaur rating system from the wood racket and rotary dial phone era, SUPER subjective, massive range of skills levels within each level.....NTRP is basically WORTHLESS!!! UTR of 11.3 should be at the upper end of 5.5 D1 is like 6.0 and Hermont played #1 at D1!!!!
I don’t care about ratings. I want to see someone really play the entire court. I don’t know why they stick with coaches who don’t teach that. 🤔🤔White shirt is a mirror image of everyone else who is playing in college and the pros. They all do the same thing. Same exact game. They stand on the baseline and that’s pretty much the whole game. He was over swinging on the serve too. What kind of coach teaches this ?? What coach eliminates 75% of the game ? It’s so strange. And usually by the time they are in HS and college their strategy is fixed. They cannot play inside to the net. It’s fixed into their muscle memory. The other player wasn’t on as his previous matches he was much better than this one.
Winning is the name of the game. You can teach the most beautiful styles, but if your students don't win, they will move on. The best way to win is robotic level consistency and steely physical/mental fitness. As a result coaching has become a science and no longer an art. This is even true for very artsy stuff like playing classical guitar for example. There is no such thing as a self-taught genius like Andres Segovia. All the classical guitar pros nowadays start their training from the age of 5-10 and practicing 4+ hours a day.
I thought Hermont was spot on with his assessment, and looked visibly slower and less aggressive as match went on. I thought he was gassing too. It's tough trying to play these insanely fit young kids out there with an endless gas tank!! Great match guys!
I’m a tennis coach in CT and Toby was playing in a tournament at my club. I remember doing a few hitting lessons with him a couple years ago and I was very impressed. Glad to see his game has grown and he will be going to Brown University!
Great match and a nice comeback from Toby! Excited to see his game grow and will be keeping an eye on his college career. Just needs to hit fewer double faults or else I could beat him with a ping pong paddle in a wheelchair...
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This is the type of match you get when you have 2 baseline grinders
that don't give you an inch and you have to work your ass off for every point!
And as Hermont said, definitely want to see a rematch in the near future!
Well done, guys!
Hermont is one of those rare players, you would pay just to see him hit some low intensity rallies during practice. He's such a smooth hitter!
??? Pay ??
A near 12utr that is rated as 5.0 is insane 😂
is it though? i’ve never heard of 6.0/7.0 league and at least at my tennis center it seems to cap off at 5.0 so maybe just a ceiling?
@@hooxenv9692they have Open league for anyone > 5.0
In my area, 5.5 rating means you no longer can be part of social USTA league matches. Just not enough players at 5.5. But UTR 12 is definitely not 5.0.
@@hooxenv9692 i do have some 5.5 in my area, but it is tough to play tennis. Only league they can play is like 10.5 mixed. Or they have to play open division tournaments
@@TTGamingTrinh If I’m 5.5, I probably will quit tennis and pick up a brand new sport. I refuse to sandbag and there isn’t any recreational league for me to socialize and enjoy.
Love the camera angle on this match. You can really see the height of almost every baseline shot they hit. And then see how low and flat their aggressive shots are.
Well...If Hermont is a 5.0, then your average player is a 1.5.
Some seriously high intensity and brutal hitting. I'm sure the balls were happy when the game was done.
Amazing series.
Thanks as always Winston!
M
5.0 rating varies so much, lots of people don’t want to be 5.5 rated and appeal down to 5.0 so they can play leagues. Everyone in my region in 5.0 that gets bumped up appeal down so that they can continue playing competitively because there’s not enough open players for the next league. In the pnw Hermont would have competitive 5.0 leagues matches. USTA ratings are kinda bogus imo, UTR is much better and I hope they do away with USTA ratings eventually
@@lukebarry7322 Agreed.🙌
Less than 5% of USTA players are 5.0 or higher. These guys are top shelf.
@@razorback9926 For sure. If only pros have beat Hermont n this channel, it's more likely that he's a good 5.5. What do you think?
@@-Munditimum- I’m a solid 4.0. I have a hard time telling a 5.0 from a 5.5, until they go H2H. Then you can tell the difference. They would both destroy me, I know that much!
It's easy to see Toby's potential - his skill is apparent. Great consistency with his strokes, decent variety with his serve, great feet. He looks like a coach's dream. With some good coaching and the additional physical strength he'll gain with time, he's gonna be a beast!
Wow! What a match! You are both just so good, it was a pleasure to watch. Thank Winston, for putting these matches on.
What a great match. They both played so well! Looking forward to seeing more of both players on your channel and seeing Toby going deep in this tournament series 💪🏻
Yoo we played against Hermont when he went to high school at Inderkum 😂 he was definitely on another level. Glad to see he’s still balling out
Great match! Looking forward to seeing the Goat Hermont back again!
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Great match! Thanks for playing for the channel and letting us viewers see some great tennis. Good comments after the match.
What a great match. Huge fan of how both Toby and Hermont play. This tournament is going to be nuts!
Love the way Toby hits, true college style, makes me happy! Hermont was a bit thrown off it seems once Toby woke up. Super enjoyable to watch!
Great match. Toby started getting more of his body into the ball as the match went along. Started off hitting all of his forehands as reverse pivots, and then started double pivoting his body into it as the match went along.
One of the best i have ever watched.
Wow, top tier content. Toby putting on a total clinic... the chip returns on Hermont's first serve totally neutralized one of his biggest weapons. At some point he realized his backhand was better than Hermont's, and hit every ball there, avoiding Hermont's other biggest strength. It seemed like if the point ever went to Toby's backhand, it was his point.
Toby hits so deep and with great pace , just completely took hermont out of his normal game which seems to be more attack based. Interested to see him play the other matchup
I’m a Hermont fan. Just love the way the guy thinks thru a match. Toby is awesome I wish him the best at Brown. I honestly think as things stand right now they would go about 50/50 if they played each other consistently. Good match!
Hermon still the greatest 5.5+ player in 5.0 😂 good playing to both and great content as always Winston!
Thanks Les!
We're love to see you play on this channel again, Les!
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From my understanding a 5.0 player was about a 10+ 9 atleast lol
Awesome, heavy hitting and good movement from both. Top notch amateur level, very fun to watch.
Hard to grasp these guys probably still loose bagels to top atp pros. But then who knows? What do you think?
I was decent club and team player. 40 years ago. At times i thought i was potentionally quite good. But against these two: no chance. Even back then.
Tennis definitely grew in depth. Good, it's a great sport.
What a great match to watch. I hope to eventually play as well as the loser! Toby's forehand was amazing.
I get exhausted watching Toby hit 😂
guys on the other court are admiring more than playing their own game. giving them a free show Winston!
Toby with a model tennis grunt. This is prob one of my favorite winston vids. So many good points.
Found my new inspirational video to watch before playing tennis! insane game
Wow, amazing tennis. Haymaker after haymaker… great play from both players.
wow! These guys are fantastic and they did a great job of reminding me that my game sucks.
Awesome ball striking with amazing consistency.
Man impressed with Toby's strokes. Maybe he was pressing a little too much at the start cause the legend of Hermant is known all around SoCal now thanks to Winston.
Just found your channel and love it!!!! Where are these courts in CA?
OC
Toby is gonna be amazing when he learns how to attack and come to net. Props to his coach for getting him to work on it, like he said he was going to before the match (even though he didn't). Even now, when he's locked in, he plays way above 11.
Another great video- keep up the good work, Winston! 💪
Fierce match! Toby the Tiger FTW!
Bellissima partita,Hermont un po' troppo rinunciatario oggi,ma il ragazzino picchia la palla come un fabbro.... complimenti 👍🏼
Hermont seems to imitate Agassi and Toby seems to imitate Sinner.
OMG Toby what a hard hitter!
I said it in a previous video, but I''ll say it again: Hermont is so good! Dude is very consistent. I'm a 4.5, and if he is a 5.0, I don't think I'll ever get to that level.
Good for Toby. Brown is a great school.
Love me some hermont content!
can we get a hermont vs mark sansait please? has that happened?
Wow this Toby guy is so good 🤯🤯🤯
so good
Hi Zoe 😊
Hermont on his drive plus is a sure win
I love watching Toby would be awesome to see him on the channel more
why is the video sped up?
Toby hits sound so powerful jesus
Awesome game! Thanks again Winston.
Will follow Toby's career at Brown 👍🏽
High quality tennis. Hermont’s balls seem to sit more so Toby is able to attack it. If Hermont can get his balls to be more penetrating or have more kick I think it would be hard to beat Hermont.
Great match. How did the TW and Solinco sponsors happen. Did they contact you?
Toby's ball is slightly slower but spinnier and heavier than Niels's, giving Hermont no pace to work with. Big loop with decent swing weight (lead tape added to 3, 9 & 12) combo makes his forehand deadly and consistent.
I never really thought of Hermont being a grinder, but I sorta do now.
Ik this is a dumb question and its all preference but next time could you ask them how they hold there racket like semi western, western and so on cause i want to see what is the most common.
Hermont is back!
By any chance is the last match prior to this staying specifically as highlights or are you also posting the full set?
nope unfortunately not
Hermont back to the dunlop!
Hermont seems to be working a lot less hard than the other guy --- which is impressive because he is much smaller. Must be an equipment thing? Heavy racquet and low tension?
where are these courts?
what a point at 12:53!!!
Epic match!
Tobby is a warrior
This is great!!!
That was an insane match
I watched him play at an L2 tournament in OKC this morning
Fantastic Match!
High quality stuff! Toby was pressing too much in the beginning and gave away a lot of points, like losing his serve by double faulting 3 times in 1 game, including twice in a row at deuce. That's the only reason that Hermont got ahead early. Once Toby calmed down and played within himself, he won 7 straight games because he's a little better in every area, especially the serve.
Toby has the best Backhand on the channel wtf
where can we buy your hat Winston?
GET UP THE KING OF TENNIS CONTENT POSTED
Allan Tennis collab when??
Best 5.0 player ever!
Toby's game reminds me of Felix TennisBrothers
Brooo, gotta try and stay impartial out there, lol!!
Set up a match between karu and nick from intuitive tennis
I want Winston as my cheerleader, always lifting people up. ❤
hermont's strokes are not very aesthetic but they work
14:18 OMG Toby calm down
hey I've played toby before :)
Harmont is me these days. 😢…used to playing high level singles now after long points im gassed!!!!! Could visibly see him losing momentum
the blade sounds like someone is coughing lol
Hermont is the biggest pusher oat
NTRP is a dinosaur rating system from the wood racket and rotary dial phone era, SUPER subjective, massive range of skills levels within each level.....NTRP is basically WORTHLESS!!! UTR of 11.3 should be at the upper end of 5.5 D1 is like 6.0 and Hermont played #1 at D1!!!!
5.0 my eye :)
UTR 11 is a 5.5.
Hermont is so much better than his rating
Toby is all out power with no accuracy
Finally, two average youtube commenters duking it out.
the brown player cheated. I usually give players the benefit of the doubt but he called balls out that werent even close
OMG
Come on Hermont, You know you're not USTA 5.0. More like a 6.0
Hermont beat Niles who was rated quite a bit higher than Tobi so this loss is disappointing.
Hermon was gassed because the kid moved him a lot.
hermont is not just a 5.0 anymore, stop listing him like that! clickbait.
kid was out of gas from hitting so hard....old dude did not do well coming in on short balls but backboard.
Winston went from 4.5 to 5.0 smh 🤦♂️ his volleys and footwork and his falling backwards forehands sorry no way 5.0
I don’t care about ratings. I want to see someone really play the entire court. I don’t know why they stick with coaches who don’t teach that. 🤔🤔White shirt is a mirror image of everyone else who is playing in college and the pros. They all do the same thing. Same exact game. They stand on the baseline and that’s pretty much the whole game. He was over swinging on the serve too. What kind of coach teaches this ?? What coach eliminates 75% of the game ? It’s so strange. And usually by the time they are in HS and college their strategy is fixed. They cannot play inside to the net. It’s fixed into their muscle memory. The other player wasn’t on as his previous matches he was much better than this one.
Winning is the name of the game. You can teach the most beautiful styles, but if your students don't win, they will move on. The best way to win is robotic level consistency and steely physical/mental fitness. As a result coaching has become a science and no longer an art. This is even true for very artsy stuff like playing classical guitar for example. There is no such thing as a self-taught genius like Andres Segovia. All the classical guitar pros nowadays start their training from the age of 5-10 and practicing 4+ hours a day.
I thought Hermont was spot on with his assessment, and looked visibly slower and less aggressive as match went on. I thought he was gassing too. It's tough trying to play these insanely fit young kids out there with an endless gas tank!!
Great match guys!
Im always blown away by how good Hermont's serve is. He is probably only around 170 cm or so but his serve is as good as someone thats 180 cm
Technically accurate serve
I’m a tennis coach in CT and Toby was playing in a tournament at my club. I remember doing a few hitting lessons with him a couple years ago and I was very impressed. Glad to see his game has grown and he will be going to Brown University!
Great match and a nice comeback from Toby! Excited to see his game grow and will be keeping an eye on his college career. Just needs to hit fewer double faults or else I could beat him with a ping pong paddle in a wheelchair...
Bro 😂