Upgrading Through Every Version of Windows NT (Almost) on the $5 Windows 98 PC!
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- Опубліковано 10 тра 2020
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About a month ago, we attempted to upgrade from Windows 1.0 to Windows 7 on the 98 PC. Today, we're attempting that same experiment with the Windows NT releases. Let's see how far we can get!
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MJD: Babe, it's time for your OS upgrade/downgrade!
Windows 98 $5 PC: yes honey
lol. that's so nerdy. Love it
underrated
Lol 😂
ha nice 69 meme
100$ Windows 11 computer
MS-DOS: Direct access to your hard disk can allow programs that can *COrRuPT* and *DeSTrOy* files
Michael: *well ok*
Operation failed
@@Lethaltail Operation failed succesfully
@@scotty209 *TaSk fAiLeD SuCcEsSfUlLy*
@@scotty209 another name of the Classic task failed successfully
if he messes something up then he can just scrap the footage and redo it
I always liked how older versions of windows allowed you to customize the colors of so many parts of the UI. To do that on Windows 10 you gotta go into high contrast mode, and even then you gotta edit your saved theme file in a text editor to change titlebar colors because high contrast mode doesn't let you do that through the settings panel. Must be an oversight. One of my themes is based off the Fallout 3 Pipboy.
This is 2020. Why is Microsoft still tying the GUI into the kernel?
or use regedit
There's no need to be able to change colours anymore, Mikrosoft knows best what colour is best for us!
@@StackOverflow80 did you purposely spell Microsoft wrong?
@@NatetheNintendofan Yes, I did, just for a joke, because in my language micro- is spelled mikro-. But of course normally we retain original spelling.
I hate messages like “General Failure” and “Unknown Error”
Something called the piece of code to tell me there was an error - what called it, and what was it doing!?!
Thats one of the biggest differences between windows and linux. When something fails on windows its always a general error. When stuff fails in linux it even tells you how hot was the chick that was using the machine.
The setup should leave a log file on the C drive, but I can tell you that looking through it to find the problem can be a huge pain and take a long time.
@@laharl2k (if you enable verbose logs)
“Who is General Failure and why is he accessing my disk?”
@@lawrencedoliveiro9104 "Any key? Where's the Any key?"
5:38 "Driver BANANA unit 0" I'm gonna name a server after that.
BANNANA is standard CD device name from 1996. (I think). Driver set name to BANNANA 😁
I feel like you could open a Microsoft Windows museum, if not a theme park.
You can have a wild ride using minimum spec-machine to go through all themes and screensavers... :DDDD Click "Apply" and the magic starts to happen in front of your eyes.
A Microsoft Windows theme park? They would update it every single day and would also, it would break down a lot.
Especially the older versions can be used by anybody these days: Virtual machine on and, although illegal, you'll find working serial codes for any windows up to Windows XP. It's good for testing old software, that don't run natively on Windows 10 anymore. And a virtual machine is not a security hazard, as if it would get corrupted by a virus, you just restore the backup of the fresh installed VM.
@@acmenipponair Actually, some sneaky viruses can break through the virtual machine. Example, the Petya/Not-Petya ransomware can get to your physical PC if its on the same network to your virtual machine.
@@eternalblueanimations3099 I’m going offline on my VM now.
Cheerio! (Ignore that)
Iv'e been obsessed with old systems. love this!
Me to man, me to
Me too
Man I was born March 2nd 2008 OF COURSE IM OBSESSED WITH OLD WINDOWS OS!!!
Then use vista and update the nt version of it with the tool
Yeah
39:19 "Hi, I'm Paul!"
I thought that's what that was.
Great, I'm not going crazy!
always heard this before the final end credit for jimmy neutron lol
That scared the shit out of me when I was little after one time late at night where I just heard that out of nowhere because I guess my dad was burning something (can’t be sure though because so many things used this damn jingle lol). I was already terrified of that goddamn alien monkey thing, so hearing that in a dark room when I was like 4 or 5 was the scariest shit to me lmao
You might’ve been able to install Windows NT 3.1 by setting up DOS, copying the files from the CD-ROM onto the hard drive, then install from there. That’s how I did so on a Pentium 100.
Yes, that's how I used to get around scsi cd requirement too.
Actually I was wondering if doing a setup /? could bring up some other switches which could disable a CD-ROM check?
Mehryar Jafari The trouble with NT 3.1 is that it simply has no drivers to read from a typical IDE CD-ROM during setup, so no known switches resolve this, unfortunately. Thankfully DOS6 has such drivers, so that’s the recommended approach on typical desktop PCs.
Hmm yes, Pentium 100.
tf is a pentium 100
Michael, I just wanted to say thank you for this content in these trying times. I love your honesty in videos, I love how quick you deliver a promise you made in a video (the fact that you keep it at all is fascinating) I love that you have a calm voice, you are calm in the videos, and it just really feels like having an everyday conversation with a friend. Cheers!
Thanks so much! : )
@@MichaelMJD yes you're voice is very chill and calm
@@MichaelMJD You keep promises better than I ever could keep my promise of sharing diamonds in Minecraft lol.
@@Deinonychus666 bro use the other comments
@doomer boy I know you weren’t talking to me when you made this comment but I can confidently say that I actually do. It helps me with going to bed early and sometimes I can’t even finish the video because I get too tired. But I definitely love the content made on these videos though
42:32 the file association may be broken during upgrade
for a freshly installed Windows 2000, when you create a .bmp file, it says "Bitmap Image" (Windows 98 is like this as well)
rather than "Paintbrush Picture", and the icon was the small new Microsoft Paint icon
the latter must have come from NT 3.51 I guessed
os/2 1 -> os/2 2 -> os/2 3 -> os/2 warp 4 -> os/2 warp 4.52
include OS/2 1.21 virtually the last version of OS/2 that MS had anything to do with...
I managed to catch this only 11 minutes after it was posted, I'm glad to see the win98PC again! Thanks so much for keeping these entertaining and informative vids going through quarentine, your channel has really kept me busy lately and I love your videos! Keep up the good work! It's always a lot of fun getting to watch these upgrade videos and seeing how you tackle problems you encounter, as well as getting to learn a bit about windows OSes as well
That's so great to hear! Glad that these videos can provide a little something to watch during these times.
Michael MJD I think is really interesting and fun
2:43 dang I wish I could configure my configuration
😂🤣😂
You my old brother
I really enjoy your videos, Michael!
I enjoy them too!
I enjoy them too!
I know what FAT is but the sentence "It needs a F A T P A R T I T I O N" just sounds so funny
i got two usb sticks. one is fat32 and the other one ntfs formatted. a friend of mine wanted to borrow one to print out stuff. i gave him the fat32 one bc the printer doesnt support ntfs. then he put his files on the stick and said: "i like my usb sticks just like my women - Vee, fat and 32" (thats the name of the usb stick) and it was to die for xD
42:38 best trilogy ever.
"yeah dude, check that out"
Have you looked in Event Viewer > System and Application logs for Errors related to the rollback?
Also look in %WINDIR%\Panther directory for Error and Rollback logs
$windows.~bt\Sources\Rollback
I don't know if it is too new but every time I update W10 I get massive installation logs. Were these also a thing back in Vista?
@@christoffer4862 probs lol
Someone may have already mentioned this, but the Reversi problem may be because it still has the Windows 2.0 version installed because you were never able to get Windows 3.0 to properly install. In the other video, it was the 3.0 version of Reversi that kept working in future versions of Windows.
Well, like someone has already commented over here I'd fully update Win XP at first. SP3 should be enough. Then I'd also use most recent official install media for Vista so that'd be SP2 one if I'm correct. If these steps don't help then I'd have a look at the event viewer and see what kind of errors it gives and possibly work things forward from there if possible.
24:20 NT 4.0 was when the graphics drivers were moved from userland into the kernel. This gave greater performance, but also greater potential for crashes.
Honestly? If you manage to get your graphics driver to crash, you deserve it.
54:56 That moment when even Vista is trying to save you from Vista.
Thank you for this video! i've been a bit obsessed with Windows NT recently, I've got a Windows NT Workstation 4.0 in a VM lol, Good video!
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@Kenny's Bus Drawings It's over 20 years old, It's abandonware because it's years out of support by Microsoft
Kenny's Bus Drawings Microsoft doesn't even manufacture it anymore‚ so they can't make money from it by choice. So it's abandon-ware
Windows NT 4.0? You mean WindowsNT 4.0. That's how it's supposed to be spelled
I love your videos.
I love to automate things because I’m lazy. If you save a file in notepad with the .log file extension, it will automatically add a timestamp at the end of the file every time you save. This may be useful to you in future videos where you want a timestamp in a text file like you did in this video.
Keep up the good work!
If I do recall, Vista was extremely bad when trying to upgrade from XP. I had to ton of problems with Vista on my PC back in the day, both during install as well as just using Vista, so much so I downgraded by main PC back to XP and just ran Vista on a laptop for general usage. I only upgraded the XP PC when 7 came out. Might be an idea, but try installing XP SP 3 first then Vista. I know SP3 came out after Vista released, but it may include additional drivers and fixes that may get the Vista upgrade to work. I could be entirely wrong, but there's nothing to lose (unless the upgrade to SP3 decides to nuke your HDD first).
I remember when are family computer got an unfixable virus I think it was called glow worm somthing but i remember we almost got vista but instead windows 7 was about to come out so we just got that’s...I guess you can see I doged a demon
Configure the configuration 😂 yep that sounds right
It definitely does!
Yeah I think the next thing to do would be to install the install
Sure
Dammit i gotta configure my configuration and register my registry!
I remember running into this when it first came out…and even later on. Turned out that Windows XP SP3 being installed seemed to help the upgrade go much better and more reliably than trying to upgrade from Windows XP SP2.
34:17 Don't forget the time in which 98 SE was paired with 2000 as stable release, including when this Gateway tower was built sine it is a late 98 build from just before ME launched. This is also thus the best pairing of NT with the tower hardware thus.
Don’t mind audacity in the background
👁👄👁💅
I have nothing to do with IT but watching these old computers and old operating systems is just like therapy to me. Always so calming to watch lmao.
Request: Upgrading from every windows server version (from server 3.1 to server 2016)
The latest version is Server 2019. However, if the upgrade process is going to be done on the $5 Windows 98 PC, it will probably only be available to upgrade to Server 2008 R2.
Windows Electronic101 Productions maybe only server 2008
@@EneaX6 Windows Server 2008 R2 is based on Windows 7. The $5 Windows 98 PC can handle Server 2008 R2, but nothing beyond that since Server 2012 is based on Windows 8 which requires the NX extensions that are not supported by this computer's processor. If anything, the problem would most likely be from Server 2003 R2 to Server 2008, as it's a major change from the kernel of the OS, and Server 2003 and 2003 R2 are based on XP whereas Server 2008 is Vista's.
@@tricountyretail992 Interesting. I didn't know that. Although i'm curious now as to why Microsoft released x64-based OS only for Windows Server 2008 R2 and later, while Windows 7, 8, 8.1, and even 10, still have x86 options available.
Windows server sucks, even microsoft don't use it
1:00:45 I love how it tells you that boot.wim is a WIM file. That’s what makes Windows so intuitive to use.
you commented so much
Fully update Windows XP try service pack 3
Matheson Steplock unofficial service pack 4 even better
@@_.themariodude A modded disc of WIndows XP Gold.
A fully patched Windows XP might end up being newer than the version of Windows Vista on his disc though.
@@_.themariodude XP SP2, electric boogaloo
⁹8 iui n45u poppy why did I say that? Idk how my arm typed that
I remember watching your original windows upgrade video a few years ago and I still enjoy your content, congrats on getting close to 70k subscribers.
Thanks so much! : )
294k subs now
I appreciate how Michael explains what he's doing and when he's doing it, makes it easier to follow when I'm listening in the background. I bet that helps with visually impaired people as well
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Wow, you're such a good, caring, virtuous, empathetic person. You're so thoughtful and a good person.
Thanks. I appreciated you had plugged in loudspeakers. Windows start / shut down sounds are always nice to listen to again.
This video makes me feel so much less alone with the frustrating arbitrary/vague Windows problems I encounter, especially when it comes to Windows installations/upgrades
Dude same for me. And i thought i was the only one banging a keyboard and even punching a TV/Monitor. Just a week ago, I smashed an old Compaq Presario 6500NX tower out of anger and scrapped it and took it to the dumpster and punched it so hard at the top until it dented and eventually the HDD had bad sectors because an app kept crashing for no reason and eventually kept blue screening on me at random. I feel your pain man. We've all been there especially when computers pissed us of, We all punched TV's and Keyboards. Hell, We've all yelled at PC's and even rage quitted when software won't install, crashes, etc.
These videos bring back good memories. The NT 4.0 part especially, we used that in IT school in 1999/2000! Good times!
This kind of videos with a cup of coffee, pretty nice ⚡️
I actually won a copy of Windows 2000 Professional from some drawing on the Internet back in October of 1999. I had totally forgotten about it, then in February 2000 I got this box in the mail with the retail version of Windows 2000. I had that for so many years; it was my favorite Windows version for a long time.
Amazing - a new $5 Windows PC video - love it!!
Ah Windows 2000. I miss that operating system. Other than the constant service pack patches, it was probably among Microsoft's best operating systems. Also, I think Vista was actually a pretty good OS, everybody shits on it but if you bought a machine intended for it and had hardware that was compatible out of the box, it was perfectly serviceable. What killed it was the incompatibility of hardware and software with XP, but everyone forgets XP was just as incompatible with ME when it was first released, but we just got so used to XP just working with everything, I think people got spoiled.
Nostalgia hit me right in the face when i saw the 3D pinball game.. Good times.
That Windows XP bobblehead-looking dude is pretty funny to see throughout the video!
Now we get the Windows Server Upgrade Video (NT 3.5 Server -> NT 3.51 Server -> NT 4 Server -> 2K Server -> 2003 -> 2003 R2 -> 2008)
Nah.
Don't forget 2008 R2, which is the server version of Windows 7.
2008 R2 or later would not work on the PC as it is a 64 bit only OS
2003 R2 is basically 2003 with a service pack. But I'd love to see this thing tbh xD
I wonder how much can IIS or Active Directory survive in terms of upgrades. But I don't remember when AD was introduced
What about nt 3.1 advanced server?
3.1 -> 3.5 -> 3.51 -> 4.0 ->5.0 -> 2000 -> 2003 -> 2008 -> 2012 -> 2016 -> 2020
This is more interesting than I thought it would be. Seeing how the files are preserved through each upgrade.
Thanks for your time and patient. i enjoy you teaching and i am looking forward .To watch your video Again.Thanks.
Hi Michael. I remember doing these upgrades, but not all at once, rather as the new OS became available. The problem that I believe that you're having here to upgrade to Windows Vista was a very common but specific problem regarding Vista. Windows Vista required several hardware changes that I don't think your Gateway computer would have. In fact, the last hardware upgrades that I am aware of for Gateway stopped at Windows 2000, but were not essential, so your build simply bypassed them as you upgraded through Windows XP. One other specific issue with Vista was that if you had hardware attached, i.e. a printer, it had to be a printer designed SPECIFICALLY to handle Windows Vista, otherwise it wouldn't work. I had to buy a brand new printer (my wife, at the time, was not pleased with that) so that I could print off the Vista box.
I love these types of videos, keep it up
Back to the $5 Windows 98 PC? Good, I was starting to get withdraw symptoms of you not using the $5 Windows 98 PC! Thank You!!!
This guy is a troubleshooting wizard. Great vid :)
Yep 😄
I really enjoy these type of videos just great videos.
nice vid man keep up with the good content and stay safe
this is frinkin hilarious, i like you effort for vista, it doesn't even upgrade
Great attempt....thanks for the tutorials. Keep then coming Please 🙏
Well you brought up memories that I thought were gone. I used to create Windows NT system images back in the day.
Ahh yes, the classic Vista experience. Just gives you an unspecified error while all the other versions of Windows were perfectly happy to install on top of one another.
Nice video as usual!
Glad you enjoyed!
I enjoy your windows 98pc videos and keep the good work and hope you get to 100k subs:)
Honestly I don't know much about any of the NT versions before 2000. Didn't even fully know what NT 3 and 4 looked like. Nice to get some more info on them.
EDIT: Wait, I did know what they looked like. I just couldn't remember.
Honestly I could continously watch this for an hour. He has a nice voice and I like this content :)
Thank you for the video Michael definitely a wonderful setup!! Are you going to upgrade the setup anytime soon???
There are a couple of things I am still on the lookout for. I would like to get a speaker/audio setup for the 98 PC and possibly get a dedicated graphics card!
Michael MJD maybe an SSD or compact flash card?
@@MichaelMJD Also if they dont work please could you send that back to me!! i will have the address if you email me your address for the stuff!
2:40 "This is the screen where we configure the configuration"
ah yes, the floor is made out of floor
"Computer: Standard PC" Oh noes, the HAL nightmares are coming back...
Good video keep up the work
I noticed that the Font for Notepad was still from the NT35 versions, should be a different font in XP and up what i remember :)
I wish you did an upgrade not only on the OS but the hardware as well based on the timeline of each release of the OS. It might be a great journey and i will be waiting for that!
Next... Windows NT 3.1 → Windows NT 3.5 → Windows NT 3.51 → Windows NT 4.0 → Windows 2000 → Windows Server 2003 → Windows Server 2008 With All The Drivers... Chipset... VGA... Sound... Pnpisa... etc
To be quite honest, you could try to brut force installation with the cmd during installation. Hard copy the files onto the file system replacing everything onto winNT folder, so you could keep your directory as well.
During GUI installer, shift f10 brings up the command prompt. After that just flash the windows via DISM /apply-image and create an MBR manually using regedit in sources - i did that with windows 10, but i am not sure if vista can do that.
You could also try doing a second partition and try installing vista there, afterward just merging vista files with live linux.
The upgrade issue for Vista was probably because you were running the installer from inside XP instead of booting from the disc and choosing upgrade. It was 100% NOT because of the Windows folder name, you can install Windows in a folder called macOS if you want, it doesn't care. My best guess is it was the profile folder causing the issue, because you ran the installer over Windows XP explorer would still be running in the background and if Vista was trying to fix the folder structure it would be getting file in use errors from your account folder (as you're logged in), booting from the disc would stop this problem from happening. Note it wasn't clear if you got that error before a reboot happened or afterwards, if it was after a reboot then my theory is wrong.
Except I don't think you can upgrade the OS if you boot from the CD (at least you can't in modern versions of windows)
@@superJK92 in any version of windows you can upgrade booting off of the disc
From the people that brought you new folder and new folder 2 now bring you new folder 3 XD Love it :)
I'm glad to see another old PC in 2021 I'm glad people keep these old Pentuim machines I still have my Pentuim 4 machine from 2004 With Windows XP Home Edition Sp3
Great job!
You CAN install NT3.1 on IDE. Contact me if you want the IDE drivers.
What if you just share it here? I don't think there is a problem with that.
FIFA World Cup UA-cam is very funny about file sharing and links
There is a floppy disk edition of Win NT 3.1. It's on WinWorld.
@@markpercival7076 Yeah, that must be used with Server. Never got the CD release to work under my software.
An idea that would almost require doing a repeat of this video, make a backup copy of the winnt folder before each upgrade, and try to launch older versions of the programs from that folder to see if they still work.
Those Windows 98 PC videos are great! Time to nominate the $5 Windows 98 PC for the most OSes installed on a computer.
tysm for this video i was bored af in quarantine lol
39:18 Hi I'm Paul!
In my house growing up we didn't use Windows me my dad had a TechNet subscription so we use Windows 2000 instead. So the first version of NT used was Windows 2000.
I love this series! I hope you do Mac OS and Linux :)
Michael:
Say hello to Mr. Bobblehead Eddy from me, please.
Michael, what if you use Windows Vista Service Pack 2 installation package, as it seems that you try to install initial version of Windows Vista (without Service Packs). And by the way, isn’t it a bad idea to install to install Vista from the desktop, as the installation may attempt to move your personal files from WINNT folder to Users folder and the installation may encounter problems?
Realy enjoy the videos on the $5 Win 98 PC!
Glad to hear it! : )
*98
@@justanenderman9668 thx
Amazingly, I still have a copy of Windows 95b and Windows 98SE. Those would be fun upgrades, also.
I have a Dell Latitude D630 and I installed every version of Windows from 2000 to XP Media Center Edition. And I broke the laptop in the process. But just reinstalled XP Pro SP3 on it. So I decided to watch these install videos because I'm bored. This is cool!
I did a similar thing on my main PC (a Core 2 Quad Q6600), just another time period, and I actually used that PC for years. I installed 32-bit Vista around 2008, then I upgraded it to Windows 7, Windows 8, 8.1, then various builds of Windows 10. In the meantime I upgraded the HDD, GPU and RAM a number of times. But at some point it just refused to upgrade to a newer build of Windows 10, no matter what I tried and the error message was similarly vague. A new (64-bit this time) installation of Windows 10 worked without an issue.
how do you go from 32 to 64 on the same PC?
@@ToastNova New install. I gave up on 32-bit when I could no longer upgrade it for some reason. Q6600 is a 64-bit CPU, so I could've installed 64-bit Vista back in 2008, but I chose 32-bit instead cause I had only 1 GB RAM or so. But nowadays some new apps are 64-bit only so it's better to use a 64-bit OS if you can.
"back in the day", my supervisor insisted on us being early adopters of NT4, upgrading our (stable, working) 3.51 department servers over the weekend. Let me tell you that we were rolling back by late sunday to avoid catastrophy, and eventually upgraded once the first service pack was released. Upgrading from sp3 to sp6 was a similar headache, including rollbacks/re-installs, until sp6a was released: she never listened to the people getting paid to know that stuff, but to marketing. (probably cost the company a couple hundred grand in overtime over the years.)
Eventually I quit, and focused on the then-rising Linux I'm stuck with since :)
I'm still getting PTSD levels of heartburn watching this, though, it hurt so much.
I feel you've had your money's worth from your $5 PC
early windows nt was a thing of beauty, and is the basis to this day of every windows-based pc
20:16 Ah, good old MDI, with windows inside windows. So every resize operation has to become _two_ resize operations ...
amazing video, thanks so much, are this Windows version (3.1 for example) available for download somewhere? thanks
did you only try Vista Business or did you also try ultimate and professional, i remember having a simliar problem when i upgradet from my XP MCE because for some reaseon the Vista setup thought i had XP Proffessional and refused to upgrade to home premium, which i only found out by looking thru logs and asking around in online forums, long story short you can only upgrade from XP to the corresponding vista version (or ultimate) but the setup sometimes failed to tell you ths was in fact the problem.
NT 4.0 was SO good. I used it since it came out until Windows 2003 / XP came out.
this 5 dollar pc is begging for mercy after all these videos
Everytime I see one of your videos I say out loud "Hello everybody and welcome back to another video, NOW in today's video..." At the same time as you are saying it 🙊🙈😂
Video idea: Upgrading every Windows NT release in a VM. Nice video, BTW
39:19 ...Paul?
Love old systems! Love this!
42:37 - 42:48
The perfect series
T H E
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F O L D E R
S E R I E S
if you ever try this again, try renaming the WinNT folder to Windows and try the DVD again. It may be trying to write to the Windows folder but since it can't find it, it can't write to it.
I'm with another poster who said make sure that you're running service pack 3 in XP. Also, make sure that your edition of Vista is 32bit. Your processor may not support a 64 bit operating system. One other thing, try upgrading to Vista Home Edition, because you're using XP Home.
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