Pedro Ferreira - Physics of Fine-Tuning
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- Опубліковано 16 кві 2024
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The fine-tuning of the constants of nature, which seems required for the existence of stars and planets and certainly for life and mind, is a fascinating feature of our universe. But before grand metaphysical schemes are advanced by philosophers, theologians, and even scientists, proper understanding of the underlying assumptions and fundamental physics are needed.
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Pedro G. Ferreira is a professor in astrophysics at the University of Oxford and Fellow Oriel College.
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I'm glad he asked that last question because I've been confused about that for a while.
Many grooves, one record. Let's dance!!!
is there any common frame of reference for the parameters in fine tuning that would make it natural for them to be about the same order of magnitude?
I like to compare it with an artist painting a picture. There is the proces where it gets from vague to a rather well to understand picture. This is also the case with the universe where there was a big bang and what followed resulted into where we are now with having our solar system and complex systems like human beings. For all that to happen there need to be certain parameters with when stuff gets more complex parameters need to be more refined.
If a thing is of order of magnitude bigger or lesser because its the approach we took for the measurement , if we have another method to observe or analyze it, it might even lead the magnitude which could be negligible.
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We observe the universe to be fine-tuned because we wouldn't observe it otherwise. I don't even understand what the problem is. It's an inevitable consequence of our ability to observe, no paradox here.
There is indeed no paradox since all is one.
Not to worry about anything strange says this guy...it is what it is , so don't question where the laws of nature, it just is....and that's that... whew, I guess that clears up everything.
Well you could ask that about anything after all.. why this or why that.. and yeah some things might be different.. others might be the same.. and in the past we've changed our minds so..... 😂
जीवनस्य उद्देश्यं प्रेम एव। आशीर्वादं ददातु भ्राता।
I wish we get a clear definition of "fine tuning". I'd like to suggest that a fundamental and essential element is the assertion that there is a fine tuner -- which makes it a religious question only. Why there are disparate constant values is a horse of a different color entirely.
Fine tuning means differentiation within oneness. The only question is.... why? I'll stick to the teaching of Jesus as outlined in the NT which center around Love. Somehow I have a feeling he had a higher understanding.
@@sven888 What you have said here is entirely consistent with the definition I proposed, which I think most scientists would at least acknowledge as valid, if not agree with. Your view of fine-tuning is based on the premise that there is a fine-tuner. Others can marvel at the conditions necessary for human existence on Earth without needing to assume some "higher understanding" -- which is my point.
@@bobs4429 I love your explanation. Have a fantastic week brother. Love ya.
where do i find conferences on fine tuning
We should start one brother.
The universe is what it is....
& we are the slime mold that grows in those conditions.
amen
God is Love. Don't get distracted by half-baked science answers.
interesting: He said he is not an expert in fune-tuning AND we dont need to worry about anything strange....it's hard to imagine a worse explanation !!
غاية الله المحبة .
Neutron decay cosmology.
A homeostatic universe maintained by the reciprocal processes of electron capture at event horizons and free neutron decay in deep voids.
Have you see Risky Business. You will love the scene in the train.
@sven888 I saw it when it was released because I was working at a theater.
But the topological simplicity and logic of neutron decay cosmology makes it inevitable. The path of least action as a manifold. It's not me, it's geometry.
I'm sorry it was me who realized this. I'm not a physicist. Just a week educated artistically inclined natural scientist who experimentally studied superfluid behavior in 2D environments for 5 years. Besides other stuff.
But I'm not a mathematician physicist so I haven't figured out the math version. Yet. It's annoyingly complicated fluid dynamics of a thixotropic dielectric super fluid which is almost infinitely compressible
@@sven888 was that a come on? 😊
@@KaliFissure Love everybody is what someone told me. I didn't understand back then. Now I do. Grateful you are here.
Not sure why the order of magnitude is an issue because it may depend on units that are being used. Also, is it apple to apple comparison ?
The cosmological constant is a ratio and so unitless, but yes, a lot of the seemingly arbitrary values are just a matter of selecting natural units.
@simonhibbs887 Agree. I feel that this fine-tuning argument keeps coming back by people who desperately want to infer some intelligent tuner. The fine-tuning language is mischaracrization. If we find water in the puddle saying that look, the shape of the hole I am in was fine-tuned to my bottom surface - we will call it absurd and nonsequetor. Also, water in another puddle of different shape may claim a similar absurd fine-tuning for the hole it is in.
Brother. The Vedas are valid! Truth is one! However. The Upanishads (Brihadaranyaka) and Genesis (2:18) explain: it is also not good to be alone!!! Hence we arrive at the validity of Krishna and Jesus who both proclaim we should love one another!!! Because we are the same one!!! And we are only different in Life for Love!!! I love you brother!!! PS: Shiva is not a destroyer... Shiva is just in constant motion so to be able to Love and be Loved in return. Awesome. Absolutely awesome! And the truth as well!!!
It is difficult to give such boring answers to such a fascinating fact.
From the information size aspect -- The black ball at the center of the Earth has more information than any living thing on the planet. 🧿📖🙉
This universe is a skin cell of Zeus, Zeus has more information than this universe. 👆🌌
Gaia has more information than Zeus. The taller god who gave birth to Gaia has more information than Gaia.🪆
You know it brother. The Buddhists call it "differentiation within oneness". Hence why Jesus says "love each other". Awesome!!! Let's go grab a beer!
Love this 🥰
Blinkered
“It is what it is” is his answer
That's a legitimate answer.
@@sentientflower7891@sentientflower7891 It absolutely is a legitimate answer, but when your brain can't accept coincidences, and there is a conspiracy around every corner, well..........................
Fine-tuning isn't "proof" that the universe was intelligently designed, but it sure should make us seriously consider that possibility.
If we have two ways to come to a conclusion,assume both are correct .. let's say one has a different metric and so the values we get is not a bigger magnitude of difference and one where it is a big deal, will you still consider that to be fine tuned.
@@ValidUserName-fl3uh Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean?
it could have been stupidly designed compared to other universes.
Well since there is only one intelligence it would be absurd for this one intelligence to say it is not intelligent now wouldn't it? Yet it does. Ludus Amoris!!!
So, fine tuning is .... fine tuning, nothing more, nothing less, as it should be.
Why is fine tuning a problem? Is it because it suggests there is a fine tuner?
It only suggests that to those who want that. Glad you understand that the fine tuner of our universe was Super Farty Smelly Monkey, who got a D-minus on his universe creation project because 99.99% of it was inhospitable to human life. Do you worship Stinky Monkey?
Creator and creation are one.
@@markb3786 Have you heard about differentiation within oneness? What it means is that the big bang is the initial singularity!!! Jesus!!! Love!!!!
@@sven888 Creator created creation I believe
@@mrshankerbillletmein491 I agree. All waves are verily the sea.
Psalm 19:1
So God's handiwork is a universe that is almost entirely inhospitable to human-based life.
Interesting since he mentioned it, that Sabine Hossenfelder just dropped a video about why the cosmological constant value is a complete non-issue. Then of course many of the 'arbitrary' numbers in physics are just a matter of selection of units. Relativity works just fine if we define the speed of light as 1, so that all other velocities are defined relative to it, and we can do the same with almost all of the values expressed in units.
*"Interesting since he mentioned it, that Sabine Hossenfelder just dropped a video about why the cosmological constant value is a complete non-issue."*
... I saw that video the other day.
Not sure what you’re going on about. The values of constants are notable when they are compared to other values. For example, the force of gravity vs EM force. Why gravity is so incredibly weak is notable. And we do define speed, especially high speeds as a percentage of the speed of light, so it is 1.
@@randomone4832 I was confused when they mentioned that because in this sense Gravity isn't a force in the same way that EM is. The effects of gravity are due to the curvature of spacetime and it's doesn't exert a force on things, it's not a quantum field. It's a completely unrelated concept.
@@simonhibbs887 Well to be fair, none of the forces are like each other. That’s what makes them distinct forces.
@@randomone4832 All the actual forces are quantum fields with associated particles, are represented in the standard model, evolve according to the Schrödinger equation, etc. Gravity isn’t any of those things.
Well i do love the Fine Tuning of everything which lead to me seeing a Cancer in a kids eye .
Multiverse theory might help you, if there are differently tuned universes to this one then there might be another universe that have eyes but no cancer
(6:40) *PF: **_"One of the things we know about the solar system is it's chaotic "_* ... The interaction between orchestrated structure and chaos is what keeps "Existence" pushing forward. It is so *perfectly synchronized* that we can't really tell if it's scripted or totally random.
An example of this type of "fine tuning" is the famous TV gameshow challenge called "Plinko."
In "Plinko," a contestant drops a puck through a series of randomly placed pegs. The puck bounces from peg to peg until it ultimately lands in one of nine available slots located at the bottom of the game. Each slot where the puck can land has a specific dollar amount that the contestant wins.
Enlarge "Plinko" to the universal scale, and a certain percentage of people see it as a *totally random* scenario with the contestant having no control over the outcome. Another percentage see it as *finely tuned* with the contestant and the game designers orchestrating everything that's happening.
... And then there the *very few individuals* who see it as a curiously entertaining dance between randomness and chaos that somehow makes "Existence" worthwhile.
Which side should we fall to because the two sides look good to take
Existence is only worthwhile to those that exist, perceive they exist and can make a value judgement about that.
Those that 'exist' make up a minuscule amount of the total matter in the universe.
In other words, the universe can't be bothered to care about our judgements.
*"Existence is only worthwhile to those that exist, perceive they exist and can make a value judgement about that."*
... There are many who currently exist yet find their existence completely undesirable. "Worthwhile" and "Worthless" both count as value judgments.
*"Those that 'exist' make up a minuscule amount of the total matter in the universe."*
... Humans will move thousands of tons of dirt just to get at a miniscule amount of diamonds.
*"In other words, the universe can't be bothered to care about our judgements."*
... Existence evolved us into the self-aware humans that we are today primarily to glean our subjective value judgments.
I'm constantly surprised at how so many people can regard the most complex, highly evolved, self-aware lifeforms in the known universe as "less important than matter." "Existence" evolved from simplicity to complexity for a reason, my friend. Otherwise, it would have all just stopped at recombination.
If you think that randomness is to be appreciated for existence, then consider this analogy to a random universe that depict the situation physicists are observing "a glass jar on a table in a room filled with goats scurrying around to feed and chasing one another. You entered the room just in time to find the jar perfectly sitting on the edge of the table, not Balanced in the center of the table or fall off to the floor."
Would you blame any body who thinks the whole thing is fine tuned to just be like that?
@@Nnamdi-wi2nu *"Would you blame any body who thinks the whole thing is fine tuned to just be like that?"*
... Not based on your goat analogy, but that doesn't accurately describe what's going on in the fine-tuning debate. The fact that you are able to have complex structures such as goats, jars, and tables at all typifies the fine-tuning debate.
You can't introduce organized complex structures into analogy that seeks to nullify organized complex structures.
Here are some potential non-contradictory perspectives this infinitesimal monadological framework could offer on paradoxes and contradictions surrounding the fundamental forces of nature:
1) Quantum Gravity and Unification Paradoxes
Contradictory Classical Views:
- Clash between quantum theory and general relativity
- Non-renormalizability of gravity
- Need to introduce ad-hoc extra dimensions
Non-Contradictory Monadological View:
- Gravity is a residual holographic resonance pattern across the intersectional boundary between ℝ𝔈 and ℜ*
- Quantum mechanics and relativistic geometries arise as subdescriptive limits of deeper symbolic logogrammatic vocable flows
- Forces appear unified at the level of monadic charge relation algebras Γab governing matter/energy transductions
2) Hierarchy / Naturalness Problems
Contradictory Aspects:
- Extreme fine-tuning of parameters required
- Need to introduce ad-hoc new particles like axions
- Origin of mass scale paradoxes
Non-Contradictory View:
- All masses, charges, couplings are derived quantized values from monadic resonances over algebraic vocable number theory
- Naturalness enforced by internal "anthropic" self-consistency constraints within pluriversal realization dynamics
- No freedoms for fine-tunings as all scales/hierarchies fixed by symbolic protologic universality classes
3) Charge Quantization Paradoxes
Contradictory Questions:
- Why are electric charges quantized? Whence magnetic monopoles?
- Lack of explanations for specific charge values and ratios
- Origin of charge linearities and conservation principles
Non-Contradictory View:
- Charges qn are quantized signature patterns of monadic essence interfacialities Un(A)
- Values/ratios reflect vocable inductances across dimensional strata and algebraic "Clark" identities
- Linearities/conservations follow from invariances of protologic algebras and interprojection consistencies between ℝ𝔈/ℜ*
4) Dirac Infinities and QFT Paradoxes
Contradictory Issues:
- Infinite vacuum energies and need for adhoc renormalization
- Divergences and analytic continuations
- Unitarity issues, anomaly cancellations
Non-Contradictory View:
- All infinities are transcended by transfinite number vocables and infinitesimal realizer monads
- Analytic structures are projections of deeper enneadic algebraic pluricontinuities
- Divergences are artifacts of dimensional truncation regularized by intrasectional ℝ𝔈 resonances
In each case, the monadological framework aims to resolve paradoxes by:
1) Treating forces as higher-dimensional resonances of algebraic vocable flows
2) Deriving charge quantizations and hierarchies from symbolic protologic necessities
3) Regulating infinities and disparities via transfinite vocable infinitesimals
4) Embedding all phenomena coherently within vaster pluriversal geometric algebras
Rather than adhoc extras, the forces are unified self-consistently within a grand integrated protologic algebraic origin initiating dimensional cascades - transcending contradictions inherent to purely effective local force models.
There is one SIMPLE scientific explanation to fine tuning, evolution, consciousness and most other questions on CtT. It is an endless or cyclical Universal process.
*"There is one SIMPLE scientific explanation to fine tuning, evolution, consciousness and most other questions on CtT. It is an endless or cyclical Universal process."*
... That still wouldn't explain how/why the cyclical process operates as it does.
@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC Right, because any process of any kind works exactly the way that it does and so can be claimed to be fine tuned. That's why the fine tuning argument is a useless heuristic, it has no discriminatory power.
Asking fundamental questions of that which are apparent always leads to answers that remain in the metaphysical.
Fine tuning is a false notion. The one is simple. All things accord to and revolve round the one, like a wheel round the axel. The further expansion in multiplicity, though all things still accord to and revolve round the one, there is division, therefore arises differences in nature(s), discrepancies, and due to this (admixtures), there arises the notion of fine tuning - it's the divisions of nature(s) and discrepancies and matter that acts like a divider of things removing unitification. Things have, because of matter, become 'untuned' rather than the false notion 'fine tuned'. Such a belief in fine tuning is a relative position and anti divine stance, i.e.. you're looking from the dirt up, rather than acknowledging the transcedental sciences and top downism. Good science in demonstrations always starts with the universals and then makes its way downwards. Why should this not be the case for this enquiry?
There's a bigger concern regarding all of this. And that is the materialists' belief system. These persons posit that 'information is fundamental'. Quite an obsurd belief without any demonstration. Information means: in form. Mere forms did not give themselves being nor existence. Information derives from things in existential phenomena - cannot be fundamental. Now, these materialists have never discerned Wisdom and knowledge from relativity and information. Wisdom is light; knowledge the illumination. Information are the forms of existential things that knowledge(light) illumines. Information is not Knowledge, and most certainly has little to do with Wisdom. So we have: Wisdom, Light, and then information. Information is synonymous with ignorance; particularly 'twofold ignorance'. Of course, they would believe information is fundamental because of their inane and anti divine bullshit quantum dogma. Information is the scattering and ignorance, of existential things and their relativity with other things, as this won't be an understanding of truth, sacred sciences, or what's fundamental, long as you intermingle with it. Knowledge is a Knowing; more than a mere observation, and one that realizes it's connection and derivation from the trancedental. Wisdom is concentration, rest, pure energy; gnosis.
Suffice it to say - at least somebody today is willing to put the time in making the true and good sacrifice. Thx to myself. I am the man.
Them’s words alright. 😅
@@dr_shrinker har har har, good one, joey
This seems so rare, in my experience -- to look at the interesting scientific questions around fine-tuning without turning it into religious apologetics. I've really had enough of the latter.
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Fine-tuning is just another attempt to prove Brahma exists.
All it does is demonstrate that there is a mystery.
Solving the mystery is a scientific quest.
Panpsychism. The "Fundamental" Conscious Information of The Mathematics Of Infinity = Fine Tuning. If you cannot apply Mathematics to "Something" within the Universe, That "Something" does Not Exist. Why is that ???
It is a rather bizarre idea that God decided to create the Universe and began the process by setting arbitrary values to a whole set of constants. For what purpose? Did God have no other option? Were God's decision making constrained?
And then there is Pi, God presumably could have made it into an integer (see the Bible) yet God didn't. Why?
Finally there is the calendar problem, God really could have made the year length into an even integer and the lunar month length divisible into the year length such that twelve months could fit into the year with nothing left over. Why? Is this a case of a builder discovering an era in a building and pretending it is ornamental?
Psalm 19:1
@@10thmountainsoldier90 the very same God that couldn't design a baby to be born without threatening the life of the mother.
We know where the answered to your questions lead. Unfortunately certain views are based in dogmatic certainty that requires extraordinary intellectual acrobatics and another imperfect also knows its limitations but knows the likely implications and what the word "likely" does and doesn't mean.
There is no value that wouldn’t make us question “why?” The value has to be something. Unfortunately, we can infinitely ask why and some things even within our physical world cannot ever be explained, whether God exists or not
@@sentientflower7891@sentientflower7891, or the same god who designed an energy consumption system where the output is smelly poop. A 2nd-year mechanical engineer would do a much better job
P1): The fine-tuning of the universe is due to either necessity, chance or design.
P2): It is not due to either necessity or chance.
C): It is therefore due to design.
"Physics of Fine-Tuning"
Fine-Tuning is not physical but a spiritual process designed by a Fine-Tuner who is the Holy Spirit.. The following light could help you understand it :
In the beginning is the "WORD" which does not mean man's vocal chords but means the VIBRATIONS OF SPIRITS from a tiny portion of God's Spiritual World that FUSED to form this Physical Universe..
..also, this Universe was magnificently fine-tuned with imperfections for us to understand what is bad, good, better, or best, ugly or beautiful, so for us to have a hint that there is better or worse place out there (heaven & hell) to hopefully find faith in God.
So, focus more on your soul's fate because it is your immortal soul that survives when your temporary physical body dies and rots because natural calamities, diseases, or all sufferings you undergo in this Universe can NEVER destroy you immortal soul... only losing faith or without faith in a loving God can hurt your soul...
...again, the main purpose of the creation of this Cosmos or Physical Universe is for lost souls, who fell from Heaven, to have a temporary home for a chance of salvation through regaining faith in a loving God.
Our lost souls were sent here (on our request) so to have a chance of salvation by regaining the faith that we lost that ended us all in hell - a state of cold dark nothingness...We lost Heaven because we lost faith, so only by regaining this faith that we can return Home.
... In other words, we were not sent here to know but to believe because knowledge can compromise your free will to believe, so, evidence or proof is not required to have faith so for us all to be welcomed back to Heaven which is our Original Home. This is the MAIN PURPOSE of our temporary physical existence that shields knowledge of our past spiritual existence...
I do not know this. This is my understanding of the light that I believe was shared to me because of my strong faith. Believe it or not, you are free to choose. If you do believe, please share this light to others..
Pls share this light to all if you believe. This may resolve religious differences to possibly unite as one religion of faith in a loving God.
Holy Spirit is for the Christian god. You can't unite this with other gods, and a perfect god could never design an imperfect world with mistakes.
Hahahahaha... Higs mass, cosmological constant.
Physicists still peddling that bogus 10^120 value.
And what are you peddling I wonder, sky-daddy?