Sorry, I watch this video literally eight times and you lost me. I appreciate your brevity and straightforward approach, but sometimes you need to slow your presentation down. Question: are you using a C pure minor on the way down? So you have the same notes as E flat, Major? And when you play that beautiful example at the end of your clip, it would be great if you could show us what you’re actually doing are you playing a melody in C major with your right hand and harmonizing with the chords from E flat, major in your left hand?
@@GuitarUniverse2013 same frustration here :-) l can only confirm (from the notes played) that the C minor scale played is indeed the aeolian (6th) mode of Eb
@@simonvanprooijencan you explain why it’s useless please ? I’m new to theory and I want to learn music inside and out . Any sources ? I want to go to school in 5 years . Film score , composition and music theory. Any suggestions?
@@tenerochiBeats I mean I can't exactly explain why it is NOT usefull, but my dad has been an arranger/composer for 20 years now maybe, and he has never used it in his life, he hadn't even heard of it when I asked him what it is. It does remind me of melodies that are used inverted, which is a common thing in classical music (f.e. the 18th variation in rachmaninov variations on a theme of paganini or Bruckner 6th symphony, Richard Atkinson has a beautiful video about that symphony, I would recommend watching that :)), but yeah I don't think any big composer has used negative harmony ever, or written about it...
@@simonvanprooijenIt's basically a subset of Neo-Riemannian theory under a catchier name. In a certain sense, composers are using it all the time, but have no need to think of it in this way, because there are better and easier ways to think about it, e.g. just using ascending fifths rather than descending fifths. It's not that the music indexed by it is useless--it's that the indexing itself is fancier and more inefficient than it needs to be.
The simple explanation for this is that major intervals become minor when they are inverted. This is in contrast to perfect intervals which remain perfect when they are inverted! Perfect intervals are prime (unison), 4th, 5th and octave. Major/minor intervals are 2nd, 3rd, 6th & 7th.
@@quikjip Holy Cow, now this is an eddicayshun for me! I have a mandolin (tuned in fifths), and what you and PianoVideos have said is suddenly right out at me! Thanks to you both for showing me something so important, that I would have blithely skipped over!😮
@@quikjip I don't get it. What is "shifting"? Changing octaves? If you first play a C plus an E (two steps above) and then move the E to the octave below instead, does that make it a "minor" interval in some sense?
@@herrbonk3635 yes by shifting I meant moving, but I should mentioned up/down AN OCTAVE (so that it stays the same note / keeps the same note name). Indeed, the chord E-C (in that ascending order) is a minor sixth.
@@AlexGeek There is reason though: not any reflection goes well with a given scale. If I remember it right, mirroring around C in the circle of fifths is meant to go well in C major context, for example (and A minor too, I guess).
@MiscBaraldi I'm a master toolmaker by trade, so math is my Forte. That's what amazes me so much. I can't believe I've never studied it before. It comes very naturally to me.
Negative harmony sounds really interesting, and I think I understand the concept of how to do/create it, but can someone explain when it should be used or what the point of it it is?
It helps to allow for tonal equivalents that have opposite emotional effect. Like iv6 and V7, or bIImaj7 and viib13 (Vmaj7). It can even be applied to modes and scales, like Aeolian and Ionian, or Dorian and Mixolydian, or harmonic major and harmonic minor. Some scales and chords are axially closer to each other than others, like Dorian & Mixolydian versus Lydian & Phrygian, or harmonic major & harmonic minor versus melodic minor & Aeolian dominant (melodic major).
i believe you have the axis drawn wrong in the diagram. the axis should be between the 1 and 5 chord for the given key, in C the axis would be between C and G. you're right that Fmaj becomes Gmin, but using diagram provided here, it's impossible to derive negative harmony correctly... aside from that i like your way of finding the chords using the minor key descending to the left and the major key of the right. you are much better at music than me:)
You can also think of the axis between the tonic and dominant (C and G), and you can flip all the notes in a chord across that axis to create it's negative harmony equivalent
@@daniellopes6766 Sure thing. So, let's say your axis is C, as Nahre Sol is using in this video. Let's say your melody is C D F A B (ascending), the "response" would be C Bb G Eb Db (descending). In this case, basically the "response" is what is called a perfect or chromatic inversion of the original subject/melody. But of course this is easy to do when you chosen axis is also the first note of your melody. Let's say that you still want your axis to be C, but now your starting melody is D E F# B (ascending), your "response" would be Bb Ab Gb Db (descending). I'm not the best teacher and I could show better examples but it is hard to do without showing the notation. But, if you get all this, using the "negative" response is a quick and easy way to extend a phrase, so to say. I've used it in some of my own pieces because it does provide a sort of variety that is really just a veiled form of the original material. Really seasoned composers, of all kinds, seem to develop/derive entire compositions from a single "musical idea" (in the Schoenbergian sense) and so their works have a sort of gestalt unity, even if it is not always so obvious on the surface. Using negative harmony is one more tool in the arsenal.
Thank you thank you thank you. Not sure if I thanked you enough. For those of us who are looking for ways to improve and are hungry for the knowledge your contribution is so timely. 🙏
Great short! It also helps to start out with knowing that the chords and scales are spelled opposite of each other at their root and fifth, and that the negative of the dominant (V7) is the minor subdominant (iv6), and vice versa. Where one chord is spelled upward from the root, the other is spelled downward from its fifth.
As a musician who has practiced music theory since middle and have always just played by ear and feel, this actually made a lot of sense. And now i have a way to explain to others. Thank you!
The way I learned this technique was with a 3rd very different method. It's really cool to see some alternative ways of thinking about this. Thank you!
Two approaches to learning a little about this awesome musical instrument, the piano. You have shown for both methods a map and how to cover the distance. To someone with a penchant for analysis and makes-sense-scenario, both explanations are suitable to someone with no knowledge of piano theory. Thank you.
There's lots of really neat synchronicities in music like this and the more you play around with it the more of them you'll discover and it is really cool
This is awesome, I am a guitarist n I approach n identify negative harmony in guitar easier. This video now completes my jigsaw puzzle on piano. Thank you very much.
I’m a lead bassist and I’ve been really looking into using negative harmony in a metal/goth context. Especially by having the guitar play one thing and have the bass play the negative harmony. I’m not a pianist but I think I get what you’re trying to say. Thank you so much.
As a musician, at first I found it confusing, but then I rewatched it, paid more attention and tried to perform, then I understood. I know how you like to teach, Nah! Congratulations, you do this very well!
This is a really good way to look at it. Like it makes sense how it maps out against the circle of fifths but its much easier to visualize this way. I've only ever seen it mapped out in the circle, not laid out like this.
What I find funny is there is already an axis of symmetry in the normal diatonic scale (the Greek modes), so in reference to the Ionian scale: I → vi ii → V iii → IV vii° → itself If the idea of negative harmony is that the image of a chord will have the same level of tension, then try to think about the implications this has on the normal diatonic scale.
@@SilverTheFlame Sure thing What's the formula for the major (ionian) scale? Well it's: W-W-H-W-W-W-H (W being whole-step and H being half-step) As you can see, it's a specific structure, which, like any structure, can be represented mathematically. If you alter this structure, it's not the major scale anymore. Now a principle we go by in occidental music is octave equivalency, which means that notes repeat after the octave. Therefore, the chromatic scale can be represented mathematically as all 12 notes disposed in a circle, like a clock. If you look at the modes of the major scale, they have these formulas: Ionian: W-W-H-W-W-W-H Dorian: W-H-W-W-W-H-W Phrygian: H-W-W-W-H-W-W Lydian: W-W-W-H-W-W-H Mixolydian: W-W-H-W-W-H-W Aolian: W-H-W-W-H-W-W Locrian: H-W-W-H-W-W-W Except, because of octave equivalency, these patterns repeat endlessly, which means that all of these seven scales are the exact structure; they're the same scale: ...W-W-H-W-W-W-H-W-W-H-W-W-W-H-W-W-H-W-W-W-H-W-W-H-W-W-W-H-W-W-H-W-W-W-H-W-W-H-W-W-W-H-W-W... forever So I call the structure of the seven Greeks modes "the diatonic scale." While negative harmony invents an axis around which to flip notes to find an equivalent, the diatonic scale already has one. How so? Well if you look at its structure, it is symmetrical if the axis is in between the two consecutive whole tones, like so: W-W-W-H-W | W-H-W-W-W If you were to continue the pattern on both sides, you would always be symmetrical around this axis. Now why is this important at all? Well why does negative harmony even do? It's a tool that lets you find notes equivalent in tension to ones you want replaced. This means that the resulting set of notes will be functionally similar to the original ones. The thing is, you don't even need negative harmony to do this, as the diatonic scale already provides this. If we pick the key of C major, then the axis of symmetry goes through the note D (and coincidentally G#/Ab). This means that at a whole tone away from the axis, C and E are images of each other, B and F are but at a minor third away from the axis, as well as A and G at a perfect fourth away. If you kept going, at a perfect fifth would be G and A, F and B at a major sixth, E and C at a minor seventh, and just D at the octave, but we already have the correspondence between these notes. Now the I chord is C, which is composed of the notes C-E-G. The images of these notes are E for C, C for E, and A for G. The resulting chord is Am, the vi chord. The ii chord, Dm, is made up of D-F-A, which are the images of D-B-G, so G major, the V chord. Em is the iii chord, and E-G-B become C-A-F, which is the IV chord F. The only chord left is B°, the vii° chord, which to no one's surprise is its own image because it's the only diminished chord in the scale. Now if the I chord is equivalent to the vi chord, ii is equivalent to V, and iii is equivalent to IV, can you tell me what implications this has on our understanding of chord functions?
@@althealligator1467 all of those images already follow each other in sequence in a standard sense of progression too, especially ii > V and iii > IV Actually kinda bonkers
Your BLACK & WHITE blouse Nahre!! It supports the negative harmony concept pretty nicely! Am I the first one to catch this? You are on a whole new level my Friend! 😂😂🎉
Use the D notes as your mirror point (symmetric inversion). It is far easier to do than the axis method. On paper, use D middle line of bass clef as your mirror point.
I had to watch this twice to get it. But this is a great tip. Now I'm rushing to finish this essay so I can sit down at my Donner and apply it. Thank you!
I’ve been playing piano for 20 years and composing for about 5 and I completely forgot negative harmony existed xD definitely going to use this in my next project.
Your video is awesome-I find it warm, clear, and for me, super informative. I had never even heard of negative harmony, so when I saw your title, I had to watch it. Question for you, if you have time: can I simply substitute the corresponding ‘negative’ chord? Like use Eb instead of A minor in the key of C for an interesting chord progression? I would love to hear some applications of this harmony. I’ll experiment but I’m not that clever to come up with the really cool ideas. I will also look at your video history and see if I can find a negative harmony applied. Anyhow, thanks again! I’m now an inspired, subscriber. 😀 Best
This is a great idea, but there's just one thing that's bugging me -- if we invert a major scale by playing all of the intervals in the reverse order, what we get is not natural minor, it is Phrygian. So instead of a D in C minor, you would have D♭ in C Phrygian. You play the D, but in the circle-of-fifths graphic we see D♭ (opposite B). But is the graphic correct? When I see Ernst Levy's work on this, the line would not connect C with F#/G♭, it would be drawn from the space between C and G across to the space between F#/G♭ and C#/D♭. So D would be mirrored by F instead of by B♭. What do you think?
You have to spell it from the root and fifth. The root scale is spelled from the bottom (root) of the tonic triad, and its negative is spelled from the top (fifth) of the tonic triad. This will spell C Ionian and G Phrygian, the latter of which is enharmonically equivalent to C Aeolian. I never use the diagram. I find it cumbersome and circumlocutory.
I think the way inversion is done is to play the Phrygian scale a fifth above the root, so G Phrygian, which has the same notes as C minor (Aeolian) -- as you showed -- but the question remains about the diminished chords! Beato's video "Musical Palindromes & Negative Harmony (what?)" has the same idea as yours -- C major mirrors to C minor -- and he has the same problem you have: D♭ mirrors B, but there is no D♭ in C minor and the diminished chord should be D diminished, not D♭ diminished. Strangely, Beato goes through the mirror correspondences (very end of the video), but we can see that the video is edited and he stops short of commenting on the D♭-B pairing. Obviously, something is not quite right here! I figured out one thing -- your reflected circle of fifths diagram is for *chords*, but Levy's is for *notes*. So they agree, except for one thing: The B diminished reflects to D diminished in Levy's system, not to D♭ diminished. So that one part of your diagram remains a little doubtful. BUT, your explanation works and it contradicts the diagram -- C minor has no D♭ in it, so anyone following your instructions will reflect the B-D-F triad to D-F-A♭.
The axis is in the wrong place that’s why it’s not making sense. It should be BETWEEN the C and G (tonic and dominant) so that: C becomes G D becomes F Bb becomes A Eb becomes E Ab becomes B Db becomes Gb
@@PeterVanRooijen-us8zy -- That is the correct placement of the axis (line) for the inversion (negation?) of the *notes* (melody) in the Ernst Levy negative harmony system. It is correct, and she shows that Levy axis placement at the beginning of the video, then she moves the axis over so that it connects C and F#. Now, instead of showing negative melody for notes (which form chords), it shows the negative harmony for chords -- G major becomes F minor, etc. It works for four pairs, but it fails for B-D♭. If you use the Levy axis (the one you presented) and apply it to triads, you'll see that it works - G-B-D (G major, root position) becomes C-A♭-F (F minor, 1st inversion). So her method is simpler and it works, but not for C, F#/G♭, B or C#/D♭. Your axis is always right, but you have to do every individual note to get the negative harmony for a chord.
The point of it is to find new combinations besides a IV-V-I. Without even knowing this specific theory, we know as songwriters that Bb fits well in a song in C major.
Nice. When going left jus start on the dominant (fifth degree) p.s. i wanna be clear, one can ofc mirror at any point (axis). But where one mirrors determines part of the effect. As does how one mirrors - chromatically or diatonically (same intervals but different "direction"). Neg harmony as made popular by jacob collier sets the axis at the halfway pt between the 1 (tonic) & the 5 (dominant). But hey it's music mirror that shi wherever sounds good to you people!
It is really interesting the way just a C major scale sounds with her technique, of course that piano has a great quality, but what stands out is the great virtuose
As a pianist I find that approach much easier and not at all confusing, thanks!
You'd still have to know what the circle of fifths is though 😅
But what would you use Negative harmony for?
Sorry, I watch this video literally eight times and you lost me. I appreciate your brevity and straightforward approach, but sometimes you need to slow your presentation down. Question: are you using a C pure minor on the way down? So you have the same notes as E flat, Major? And when you play that beautiful example at the end of your clip, it would be great if you could show us what you’re actually doing are you playing a melody in C major with your right hand and harmonizing with the chords from E flat, major in your left hand?
@@GuitarUniverse2013 same frustration here :-)
l can only confirm (from the notes played) that the C minor scale played is indeed the aeolian (6th) mode of Eb
@@scottanos9981 nah bro we take some pitches and arrange them like this.
As a non pianist, I am even more confused
Well than... it shouldnt matter to you ?
@@jmack619 it's a joke 😑
@@nihartley5265 awww you got me! As a very amateur pianist, I'm confused.
@@jmack619 he got you jmack
As a has-been-playing-piano-for-years-but-doesn’t-know-the-music-theory-stuff person I have no idea what she’s talking about
Negative harmony is fascinating. It would deserve a longer video
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As someone who has too many hours in music theory and composition, it is very useless, but yeah kinda cool for 10 minutes
@@simonvanprooijencan you explain why it’s useless please ? I’m new to theory and I want to learn music inside and out . Any sources ? I want to go to school in 5 years . Film score , composition and music theory. Any suggestions?
@@tenerochiBeats I mean I can't exactly explain why it is NOT usefull, but my dad has been an arranger/composer for 20 years now maybe, and he has never used it in his life, he hadn't even heard of it when I asked him what it is. It does remind me of melodies that are used inverted, which is a common thing in classical music (f.e. the 18th variation in rachmaninov variations on a theme of paganini or Bruckner 6th symphony, Richard Atkinson has a beautiful video about that symphony, I would recommend watching that :)), but yeah I don't think any big composer has used negative harmony ever, or written about it...
@@simonvanprooijenIt's basically a subset of Neo-Riemannian theory under a catchier name. In a certain sense, composers are using it all the time, but have no need to think of it in this way, because there are better and easier ways to think about it, e.g. just using ascending fifths rather than descending fifths. It's not that the music indexed by it is useless--it's that the indexing itself is fancier and more inefficient than it needs to be.
The simple explanation for this is that major intervals become minor when they are inverted. This is in contrast to perfect intervals which remain perfect when they are inverted! Perfect intervals are prime (unison), 4th, 5th and octave. Major/minor intervals are 2nd, 3rd, 6th & 7th.
But... what does it mean to 'invert' an interval?🤔
@@hindisikhnewaalaa just flipping the notes around (basically shifting up the lower note of a 2-note chord, or shifting down the upper note)
@@quikjip Holy Cow, now this is an eddicayshun for me! I have a mandolin (tuned in fifths), and what you and PianoVideos have said is suddenly right out at me! Thanks to you both for showing me something so important, that I would have blithely skipped over!😮
@@quikjip I don't get it. What is "shifting"? Changing octaves? If you first play a C plus an E (two steps above) and then move the E to the octave below instead, does that make it a "minor" interval in some sense?
@@herrbonk3635 yes by shifting I meant moving, but I should mentioned up/down AN OCTAVE (so that it stays the same note / keeps the same note name).
Indeed, the chord E-C (in that ascending order) is a minor sixth.
If you symmetrize all notes with respect to D or G sharp you also preserve the colors or the keys!
but pro musicians always making it harder for us beginners :D
What do you mean? Yes those are the mirror notes on the piano.
@@AlexGeek There is reason though: not any reflection goes well with a given scale. If I remember it right, mirroring around C in the circle of fifths is meant to go well in C major context, for example (and A minor too, I guess).
I'm convinced music theory is some form of ancient black magic. I just started studying it, and I'm amazed by it. It only took 57 years to get here.
It’s just math
Math with a high level of emotion and subjectivity
amen. It's still a little confusing!
Music theory is a deep rabbit hole. I think its designed to make you pull your hair out. ;-)
@MiscBaraldi I'm a master toolmaker by trade, so math is my Forte. That's what amazes me so much. I can't believe I've never studied it before. It comes very naturally to me.
Madam can you make a full video on nagative harmony? And how altering with nagative harmony would sound?
@@rhea8186 thanks
@@AliasgarVirdiwala no prob
How beautiful the chord progression at the end. Thank-you for sharing!
What I like about this is your jazz ii-V-I in negative harmony turns into your gospel bVII-iv-I, with that lovely minor plagal.
Sick. Thanks for sharing :)
Yup :) Technically the tonic becomes minor too, but yes, it’s very effective 😅
Negative harmony sounds really interesting, and I think I understand the concept of how to do/create it, but can someone explain when it should be used or what the point of it it is?
It helps to allow for tonal equivalents that have opposite emotional effect. Like iv6 and V7, or bIImaj7 and viib13 (Vmaj7). It can even be applied to modes and scales, like Aeolian and Ionian, or Dorian and Mixolydian, or harmonic major and harmonic minor. Some scales and chords are axially closer to each other than others, like Dorian & Mixolydian versus Lydian & Phrygian, or harmonic major & harmonic minor versus melodic minor & Aeolian dominant (melodic major).
@@gillianomotoso328 oh damn man, thankyou for that great response🙏🙏 preciate it
@@michaelmcglaughlin9383 no problem :) it’s a very interesting topic.
@@gillianomotoso328 thanks !
Should be used when you feel like, the point of which is to create negative hamrony.
i believe you have the axis drawn wrong in the diagram. the axis should be between the 1 and 5 chord for the given key, in C the axis would be between C and G. you're right that Fmaj becomes Gmin, but using diagram provided here, it's impossible to derive negative harmony correctly... aside from that i like your way of finding the chords using the minor key descending to the left and the major key of the right. you are much better at music than me:)
but somehow the way you have the axis drawn works for your method of finding neg harmony using a major scale on the right and a minor on left...
Very cool approach to expand a musical repertoire. Sounds jazzy elegant.
perfect shirt to wear. black on one side, white on the other. major up, minor down. 😎🤓
This comment! 😂😂
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This is genius! I composed a piece with a negative reharm of the main motif on the coda, and knowing this would have saved me a lot of mental work.
Holy cow, this is way easier than trying to mirror the circle of 5ths in my head. Great tip. Thanks for this!!
The Boss!! Thank you for breaking that down so fast....
You can also think of the axis between the tonic and dominant (C and G), and you can flip all the notes in a chord across that axis to create it's negative harmony equivalent
What does that mean though? Wtf is "negative harmony"? What is the purpose of it?
Negative harmony is pretty useful for call-and-response phrases, too.
explain!!!
@@daniellopes6766 Sure thing.
So, let's say your axis is C, as Nahre Sol is using in this video. Let's say your melody is C D F A B (ascending), the "response" would be C Bb G Eb Db (descending).
In this case, basically the "response" is what is called a perfect or chromatic inversion of the original subject/melody.
But of course this is easy to do when you chosen axis is also the first note of your melody.
Let's say that you still want your axis to be C, but now your starting melody is D E F# B (ascending), your "response" would be Bb Ab Gb Db (descending).
I'm not the best teacher and I could show better examples but it is hard to do without showing the notation.
But, if you get all this, using the "negative" response is a quick and easy way to extend a phrase, so to say. I've used it in some of my own pieces because it does provide a sort of variety that is really just a veiled form of the original material.
Really seasoned composers, of all kinds, seem to develop/derive entire compositions from a single "musical idea" (in the Schoenbergian sense) and so their works have a sort of gestalt unity, even if it is not always so obvious on the surface.
Using negative harmony is one more tool in the arsenal.
Thank you thank you thank you.
Not sure if I thanked you enough.
For those of us who are looking for ways to improve and are hungry for the knowledge your contribution is so timely.
🙏
I like the fine details, like her shirt is half black half white
these are the keys I'm looking for on every thing that makes sound. all the time. thank u! your channel is awesome!
Great short! It also helps to start out with knowing that the chords and scales are spelled opposite of each other at their root and fifth, and that the negative of the dominant (V7) is the minor subdominant (iv6), and vice versa. Where one chord is spelled upward from the root, the other is spelled downward from its fifth.
As a musician who has practiced music theory since middle and have always just played by ear and feel, this actually made a lot of sense. And now i have a way to explain to others. Thank you!
The way I learned this technique was with a 3rd very different method. It's really cool to see some alternative ways of thinking about this. Thank you!
That's how that's done? Wow, ok thank you! Simple -and explains a lot of how that sound is accomplished.
Two approaches to learning a little about this awesome musical instrument, the piano. You have shown for both methods a map and how to cover the distance. To someone with a penchant for analysis and makes-sense-scenario, both explanations are suitable to someone with no knowledge of piano theory. Thank you.
Love it, you just added an extra hour a day to my practice time; thank you I'm all in!
There's lots of really neat synchronicities in music like this and the more you play around with it the more of them you'll discover and it is really cool
This makes so much sense. I've never been good with theory at all. Very nice little vid. Thank ya!
Understood! Bless you, NahreSol
You just broke my brain!!! 🤣 I caught all of the FEELS watching this!! ❤️❤️
This is awesome, I am a guitarist n I approach n identify negative harmony in guitar easier. This video now completes my jigsaw puzzle on piano. Thank you very much.
You just blew my mind
I never saw negative Harmon this way
Thanks
I’m a lead bassist and I’ve been really looking into using negative harmony in a metal/goth context. Especially by having the guitar play one thing and have the bass play the negative harmony. I’m not a pianist but I think I get what you’re trying to say. Thank you so much.
Wow... Amazing. This approach has really cleared much in my head
Love this. Best explanation of this I've heard.
You described this beautifully and in lucid manner..
As a musician, at first I found it confusing, but then I rewatched it, paid more attention and tried to perform, then I understood. I know how you like to teach, Nah! Congratulations, you do this very well!
Lol UA-cam seems to be full of videos explaining negative harmony but I have yet to find any videos where I can actually hear it used 🙃
well , they dont care so much about your education
Check out Jacob collier
It is not a whole tool on it own but part of various tools used to approach improvisation and reharmonisation as a pianist
@@monessence_szn i guess he wont help me haha
Love it! Awesome visual tool for pianists.
This is a really good way to look at it. Like it makes sense how it maps out against the circle of fifths but its much easier to visualize this way. I've only ever seen it mapped out in the circle, not laid out like this.
Most educational video I have watched yet on shorts, very cool
That's really cool...I'm studying music at uni and have never heard of this, thank you!
What I find funny is there is already an axis of symmetry in the normal diatonic scale (the Greek modes), so in reference to the Ionian scale:
I → vi
ii → V
iii → IV
vii° → itself
If the idea of negative harmony is that the image of a chord will have the same level of tension, then try to think about the implications this has on the normal diatonic scale.
Dostonic scale ??
@@SilverTheFlame diatonic* autocorrect didn't save me rip
@@althealligator1467 Can you explain your message a bit more? What axis of symmetry are you talking about? How does iii invert to IV?
@@SilverTheFlame Sure thing
What's the formula for the major (ionian) scale? Well it's:
W-W-H-W-W-W-H
(W being whole-step and H being half-step)
As you can see, it's a specific structure, which, like any structure, can be represented mathematically. If you alter this structure, it's not the major scale anymore. Now a principle we go by in occidental music is octave equivalency, which means that notes repeat after the octave. Therefore, the chromatic scale can be represented mathematically as all 12 notes disposed in a circle, like a clock.
If you look at the modes of the major scale, they have these formulas:
Ionian: W-W-H-W-W-W-H
Dorian: W-H-W-W-W-H-W
Phrygian: H-W-W-W-H-W-W
Lydian: W-W-W-H-W-W-H
Mixolydian: W-W-H-W-W-H-W
Aolian: W-H-W-W-H-W-W
Locrian: H-W-W-H-W-W-W
Except, because of octave equivalency, these patterns repeat endlessly, which means that all of these seven scales are the exact structure; they're the same scale:
...W-W-H-W-W-W-H-W-W-H-W-W-W-H-W-W-H-W-W-W-H-W-W-H-W-W-W-H-W-W-H-W-W-W-H-W-W-H-W-W-W-H-W-W...
forever
So I call the structure of the seven Greeks modes "the diatonic scale."
While negative harmony invents an axis around which to flip notes to find an equivalent, the diatonic scale already has one. How so? Well if you look at its structure, it is symmetrical if the axis is in between the two consecutive whole tones, like so:
W-W-W-H-W | W-H-W-W-W
If you were to continue the pattern on both sides, you would always be symmetrical around this axis.
Now why is this important at all? Well why does negative harmony even do? It's a tool that lets you find notes equivalent in tension to ones you want replaced. This means that the resulting set of notes will be functionally similar to the original ones. The thing is, you don't even need negative harmony to do this, as the diatonic scale already provides this.
If we pick the key of C major, then the axis of symmetry goes through the note D (and coincidentally G#/Ab). This means that at a whole tone away from the axis, C and E are images of each other, B and F are but at a minor third away from the axis, as well as A and G at a perfect fourth away. If you kept going, at a perfect fifth would be G and A, F and B at a major sixth, E and C at a minor seventh, and just D at the octave, but we already have the correspondence between these notes.
Now the I chord is C, which is composed of the notes C-E-G. The images of these notes are E for C, C for E, and A for G. The resulting chord is Am, the vi chord.
The ii chord, Dm, is made up of D-F-A, which are the images of D-B-G, so G major, the V chord.
Em is the iii chord, and E-G-B become C-A-F, which is the IV chord F.
The only chord left is B°, the vii° chord, which to no one's surprise is its own image because it's the only diminished chord in the scale.
Now if the I chord is equivalent to the vi chord, ii is equivalent to V, and iii is equivalent to IV, can you tell me what implications this has on our understanding of chord functions?
@@althealligator1467 all of those images already follow each other in sequence in a standard sense of progression too, especially ii > V and iii > IV
Actually kinda bonkers
Her blouse really helped. I got this. Thank you so much!
This was super helpful after hearing about negative harms for ages. Thanks!
I need to try this! Well explained, thank you!
Oooo that’s actually a slick way to teach that. I will be experimenting with this. Thank you❤
Super duper helpful thank you!
Interesting way to look at it! Very creative and love the visuals
I'm learning piano and this make so much sense. This will also help with guitar.
That melody at the end immediately brought Thomas Newman and Shawshank to mind.
It's literally one of the composition tools that Newman uses when writing 😎
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It supports the negative harmony concept pretty nicely!
Am I the first one to catch this?
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Bartok took this tonality concept and expanded it even more :)
He's my favourite composer of all time
I would love to hear this Heavenly angel play...just play!!!... all those new chords without words and theory!!!😇
Clearest explanation of pitch axis I've seen
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Never heard about the negative harmony. Thank you for pointing 👉 I need to check it out 😊
Use the D notes as your mirror point (symmetric inversion). It is far easier to do than the axis method. On paper, use D middle line of bass clef as your mirror point.
So beautiful! Loved the harmony! 🌄
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Thank you so much! This was very helpful. You explained very well
This is about to open a rabbit hole for me, I’ve never heard of negative harmony before.
Look for negative harmony covers on UA-cam. You'll be amazed.
This is actually a really good technique. It's what I've always done with chords.
Never thought it could be so easy to understand 😅. Thanks 🙏🏽.
Pretty interesting take. Thank you Nahre.
Thank you. I am a violinist who uses the piano for pitch and theory and really appreciate r/l hand tricks.
Simplest explanation I’ve seen. Thank you!!
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I had to watch this twice to get it. But this is a great tip. Now I'm rushing to finish this essay so I can sit down at my Donner and apply it. Thank you!
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wish every music lesson could be done this way, what a way to visualize ^-^
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Thank you. Its a jump start for me .
I’ve been playing piano for 20 years and composing for about 5 and I completely forgot negative harmony existed xD definitely going to use this in my next project.
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It's like Yin and Yang, like your shirt. :-) Great demonstration!
She plays chords faster than I can play notes
you should give yourself some time and practice more ;)
This is a different way of explaining modally borrowed chords/chord scale. Cool!
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OMG! Why didn’t someone tell me this, 40 years ago?! thank you, very much!😊
Thank you! This was very helpful. I’m a guitar player but I find piano much easier to understand and much more intuitive. Great video!!
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Thank you for your illuminating explanation!
Your video is awesome-I find it warm, clear, and for me, super informative. I had never even heard of negative harmony, so when I saw your title, I had to watch it. Question for you, if you have time: can I simply substitute the corresponding ‘negative’ chord? Like use Eb instead of A minor in the key of C for an interesting chord progression? I would love to hear some applications of this harmony. I’ll experiment but I’m not that clever to come up with the really cool ideas. I will also look at your video history and see if I can find a negative harmony applied. Anyhow, thanks again! I’m now an inspired, subscriber. 😀 Best
This is a great idea, but there's just one thing that's bugging me -- if we invert a major scale by playing all of the intervals in the reverse order, what we get is not natural minor, it is Phrygian. So instead of a D in C minor, you would have D♭ in C Phrygian. You play the D, but in the circle-of-fifths graphic we see D♭ (opposite B). But is the graphic correct? When I see Ernst Levy's work on this, the line would not connect C with F#/G♭, it would be drawn from the space between C and G across to the space between F#/G♭ and C#/D♭. So D would be mirrored by F instead of by B♭. What do you think?
You have to spell it from the root and fifth. The root scale is spelled from the bottom (root) of the tonic triad, and its negative is spelled from the top (fifth) of the tonic triad. This will spell C Ionian and G Phrygian, the latter of which is enharmonically equivalent to C Aeolian. I never use the diagram. I find it cumbersome and circumlocutory.
I think the way inversion is done is to play the Phrygian scale a fifth above the root, so G Phrygian, which has the same notes as C minor (Aeolian) -- as you showed -- but the question remains about the diminished chords! Beato's video "Musical Palindromes & Negative Harmony (what?)" has the same idea as yours -- C major mirrors to C minor -- and he has the same problem you have: D♭ mirrors B, but there is no D♭ in C minor and the diminished chord should be D diminished, not D♭ diminished. Strangely, Beato goes through the mirror correspondences (very end of the video), but we can see that the video is edited and he stops short of commenting on the D♭-B pairing. Obviously, something is not quite right here!
I figured out one thing -- your reflected circle of fifths diagram is for *chords*, but Levy's is for *notes*. So they agree, except for one thing: The B diminished reflects to D diminished in Levy's system, not to D♭ diminished. So that one part of your diagram remains a little doubtful. BUT, your explanation works and it contradicts the diagram -- C minor has no D♭ in it, so anyone following your instructions will reflect the B-D-F triad to D-F-A♭.
The axis is in the wrong place that’s why it’s not making sense. It should be BETWEEN the C and G (tonic and dominant) so that:
C becomes G
D becomes F
Bb becomes A
Eb becomes E
Ab becomes B
Db becomes Gb
@@PeterVanRooijen-us8zy -- That is the correct placement of the axis (line) for the inversion (negation?) of the *notes* (melody) in the Ernst Levy negative harmony system. It is correct, and she shows that Levy axis placement at the beginning of the video, then she moves the axis over so that it connects C and F#. Now, instead of showing negative melody for notes (which form chords), it shows the negative harmony for chords -- G major becomes F minor, etc. It works for four pairs, but it fails for B-D♭. If you use the Levy axis (the one you presented) and apply it to triads, you'll see that it works - G-B-D (G major, root position) becomes C-A♭-F (F minor, 1st inversion). So her method is simpler and it works, but not for C, F#/G♭, B or C#/D♭. Your axis is always right, but you have to do every individual note to get the negative harmony for a chord.
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I prefer a system that is always right rather tan one that is simpler.
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Very well explained. Thank you!
Wow, this is magic! Thanks!
Very nice! Thanks for sharing!
Never thought about music this way before. So interesting.
Very clever! Thanks for this!
ohh those chords at the end sounded like the start of something intriguing. super cool.
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The point of it is to find new combinations besides a IV-V-I. Without even knowing this specific theory, we know as songwriters that Bb fits well in a song in C major.
The explanation can't be better. Please continue.
Infinitely simpler thank you!!
Nice. When going left jus start on the dominant (fifth degree)
p.s. i wanna be clear, one can ofc mirror at any point (axis). But where one mirrors determines part of the effect. As does how one mirrors - chromatically or diatonically (same intervals but different "direction"). Neg harmony as made popular by jacob collier sets the axis at the halfway pt between the 1 (tonic) & the 5 (dominant). But hey it's music mirror that shi wherever sounds good to you people!
Collier's version happens to set it between minor and major (3rd), providing the same ambiguity as in the 9# chord...
It is really interesting the way just a C major scale sounds with her technique, of course that piano has a great quality, but what stands out is the great virtuose