FYI, that downtown plaza is the old slave market. There is a pavilion there where slaves would be put on display and sold to the highest bidder. Those two monuments are in that plaza for a reason, to remind the freshly freed slaves of their heritage of chains and servitude. That plaza was used as a rally location for the Florida KKK to March against civil rights in the 1960's. The sheriff at the time, a self proclaimed segregationist, deputized members of the KKK to protect the city during civil rights marches. I lived in St Augustine for a few years, I visited the ruins of old black school that had been burned down by the KKK. It doesn't surprise me that the sons of the Confederacy chose to meet in St Augustine. It's a very progressive city, but there is an older white generation that lives in the area that still have very close links to the KKK. The heritage they are trying to hold onto is white supremacy.
Thank you for sharing. These confederate flag waving people want to remember a south ONLY made possible without enslavement..much like an X-Gestapo agent wants to remember Germany without Nazism...to ignore their horrific participation
I wasn't born here. My family emigrated to the US when I was a kid. I have no emotional connection to these old statues and relics. But I cringe at this hysteria of monument destruction. Shouldn't we want to remember our history? The good, the bad, the ugly -- ALL of it needs to be remembered. Especially if you're a person of color -- shouldn't you want to know where the markets were? Why would you think it better to throw down this old obelisk and pave it over? Why would you want to turn such an important part of your heritage into a parking lot? Yes, it isn't a pretty part of history but it IS pretty important. This makes no sense to me at all. Call me a racist. I just don't understand this.
@@SashaXXY Those monuments were not put up for historical purposes but to intimidate black folks. This issue has been researched heavily. If you go to these places they normally have plaques up telling people about the area. But many state archives have good information for people to learn as well as museums. I live in the south there's nothing about preserving history when this country destroyed indigenous history for their own destiny. This history can be and is offensive when you have places that black folks can't visit without being murdered, because people don't want them here. Just as they murdered and killed indigenous folks to claim their land and culture. This is not my heritage and never was. My heritage lies with my ancestors that were enslaved coming to this god forsaken country.
@@queenme7401 Does it really matter who put up those monuments and for what purpose? Today they stand as mere reminders of what once was. Hopefully to teach future generations to never repeat the mistakes of the past. Is a square stone pillar so offensive or intimidating that it must be destroyed? Is there really no alternative?
I think that preacher has maybe lost sight of his mission. Changing hearts should be his mission. He should look at Gods Law Exodus 20-22 love thy neighbor forgive each other The Lord will handle judgment. think how far we could go if it wasn't for Useless Desires.... This Life For The Next!
religion (not faith) was never about "winning hearts", it was and still is a system to control power and that is called politics; i think this priest is really honest in his approach cuz racism is just a tool of amoral-politics.
@@mywienersyoumusttouch6446 how many white people were enslaved by southerners? Now compare that to the amount of black people… you don’t know anything about history
I don't care about the statues... as long as they're not on public land. If they want them so bad purchase land and put them on private property. Problem solved.
@@gerardosalas9477 nah not all statues... a statue is meant to celebrate the memory of a person or an occasion right? So with that I'm not even going to mention slavery because both north and south benefited from slavery. This is about the fact that they committed treason. And currently anyone that is a sympathetic to the Southern states committing an act of treason against this country should not be celebrated. Some statues celebrate occasions that everyone agrees with and a better representation of what this country is supposed to be about.
only if you ignore the segregation that followed in american laws across the south and even in the north until the 1970's. there are southern state that had qritten segregation laws up till the 1980's. hell a black could not buy a house in certain subburbs in New York state. the houses contract dictated by the US government prevented blacks from buying them as first owner but also as second owners. till this day those contract still have the no black buyer clause but they are not respected any longer. that is till this day an issue as black could not, then, buy a 10 thousand dollar home that is now worth near half a million. hard to build a furture in a capitalist country when you cannot get capitals. that is why there is white privilege wether you support it or not and it will take another full generation for it to witter away IF equality is maintained ... as shitty as it is wright now
I would wager that to these folks, Jesus could be no less white than any painting crafted during the Renaissance. World "History" and "Prehistory" lasts about 6,000 years to this bunch.
@@averageboi5195 this is the organization that is absolutely not. Of course a nut job can sneak into anything and that’s why they didn’t want to let them in to ask everyone questions. This organization is truly about honoring the dead and preserving their memory.
When a preacher says "im not in the business of trying to change hearts" & "my people" (referring to blacks not other christians) i cant take them seriously. Side note im black.
I am proud of having both German and Southern history. I was was never actively racist and if you asked me at at the time I would have said that I wasn't racist. I think most of these people actually don't understand and don't want too. Ironically I think the Confederate guy was right, we need to talk and respect everyone's heritage most importantly the ones we don't like.
@33 SixtyNine Best words I ever heard from a southerner. I hope with better schools, chances for poor people, affordable health care and less firearms. Hats off!
@33 SixtyNine I must say, at least you are a true Confederate who believes in the destruction of the USA. It boggles the mind when someone flies both the Confederate and the flag of the United States of America. From birth to death the confederates were enemies of the USA.
@@JuanDavid-ke2xq do me a favor and leave ur door wide open and unlocked for people to just barge in. U dont like it I'll call u a cold hearted racist. If ur not welcome u should have no intentions of entering. Thats the problem with our country now and theres a lot angry folks
never let anyone tell you to be ashamed of his actions. Make your own judgements on why he fought and whether it was right; but there is no reason to be ashamed. As a fellow descendant of a Confederate Veteran, I will admit that Slavery was a major cause of the war. But I invite everyone to imagine the bravery it took to march against cannon and musket knowing that, and I certainly don't want to overstep or offend, you or your closest friend might be cut down as your most courageous Ancestor was. Having a discussion about the role of slavery in secession is perfectly okay in my opinion. But if someone walks up on a group of people remembering the bravery and valour of their Ancestors who served in one of the bloodiest wars of American history, and then tells them they ought to be ashamed! They have not initiated respectful dialogue, they have insulted the Honourable Ancestors. You don't insult a man's family and expect him to take it lying down. How is this any different? Anyway, I know this has become rather long-winded, but I just wanted to pitch my two cents on your story. I apologize sincerely if I might have offended you by mentioning your Ancestor in this manner; my intent was only to honour respectfully and not to use his story as a conversation piece.
My great-grandfather fought because _everybody_ from his town fought for the CSA - and for no other reason. He was a teenager in 1863, and surrendered at the Battle of Old River Lake (Arkansas, 1864). Shot up so badly that he eventually couldn't work his farm in East Texas. The SCV have wanted to put a metal marker on his grave, and I will not allow it. A lot of Southern folks have a vaguely romantic idea about this awful war... 🥀
@@Austin8thGenTexan thank you for sharing your view with us. It is very important to preserve these stories for future generations so they can have a clearer picture of the real impacts of the war.
Yeah...this 'so-called' pastor is Not a pastor at all...just another 'Race Hustler' like Jesse Jackson and Re-Rah-erend' 'Shopton'!! These dumbasses Know Nothing about the Confederacy or the War between the states.
Our people have not created obstacles for White people, we created revenue streams for White people. And when our people made an effort not be exploited any longer, White people took up arms and said their heritage was being infringed upon. Make sense?
@OBEYTHEWALRUS G59 Yep and after Jfk was elected everything flipped. The current Republicans don't represent what Lincoln represented same goes for current Democrats.
They were not modern liberals they took some of the values from classical liberalism. Classical liberalism doesn’t even promote slavery. But they took some of the values when They founded the confederate states of America. #BLM
@OBEYTHEWALRUS G59 No duh and as I said from above. After Jfk was elected things changed and flipped. Thats why you see the South voting for Republicans who were first voting for Democrats who supported racism. Now its flipped and sure you have good and bad on both sides. You can't ignore the reality and what going on currently in our era.
@OBEYTHEWALRUS G59 Also fun fact John Quincy Adams was against slavery but he also predicted future president will end slavery eventually and that happens to Lincoln.
I'm a professional journalist in Florida everyone should know the clip of Liz questioning Gov. Desantis is edited to remove the context and the entire question. We must be fair and objective to all, including politicians we may disagree with. While the issue of these monuments needs to be addressed, this was the worst possible time and place to do so. She asked her question at a press conference specifically about a local hospital and its response to Covid-19. I watched the entire presser live, and all media was informed about the nature of the conference prior. Liz then sat through 30 minutes (possibly longer) on that subject and heard multiple questions about the hospital and Covid-19. Once called on Liz starts a long rambling sentence about the monument and Representative John Lewis. It was out of place and also inappropriate to ask during a time set aside for questions about a specific local issue. That's why the Governor stopped her and responded with anger, which is also inappropriate on his part. What is inexcusable is that Liz wasted time set aside for local journalists trying to ascertain potentially life-saving information to report to the public. Your reporter and her decorum at this press conference is inappropriate and has a potential negative future impact on our already shaky relationship with this administration. Liz could have contacted his office for a statement about the monument and John Lewis, or set something up before or after. If she tried these avenues first she fails to mention it.
thats not at all what states rights is about. But its common not to understand as its not taught in schools just like the barbary wars is not taught in school. there where 2 million white slaves in Africa. Just like you probably have no idea what a modern state is, centralization of government is, what state sovereignty means, If your case is true then why where there 5 union slave states? Why was slavery still protected in the US Constitution? You cant understand states right unless you understand American Government in detail from 1776-1865
No but the south didn’t have a draft per say, they joined on there on accord. They chose to fight a tyrannical government for whatever reasons. Would you be willing to fight if they stopped tik-tok yet snowflake?
F Offenton yes, it was too little too late in the eyes of the Confederacy. Fighting for slavery wasn't only about preserving it where it was but also about expanding it into the new states. Also, once the rebellious movement was in motion and united by slavery, it becomes a lot easier to tack on the other benefits of their movement. Besides, it's not like an amendment can't be undone. If all of the new states became free states then eventually the amendment would have been undone with another amendment
I LITERALLY told this old geezer that while I was on an elevator! I only had one fabric mask that my sister in law gave me a couple of days before and I forgot it at home. That was way back in like April and mandatory face masks were not the standard yet. So I a Hispanic female was on the elevator with my teenage brother and the old man got on. He had it on low and I believe upside down. I told him RESPECTFULLY and POLITELY Sir when wearing a mask it's better to cover your nose because there's no point in wearing one if your nose isn't covered. He looks at me and said I WOULDN'T TELL SOMEONE HOW TO WEAR A MASK IF I WASN'T EVEN WEARING ONE. I meant no harm. I'm 21. He looked like he was 70. I have much better chances of recovering quicker from the virus than he does. I didn't mean it to critique him, but to help him. I had no mask on not because I didn't feel like wearing one, but because they were literally SOLD out everywhere and didn't have one at hand. It was back before Walmart and Target were selling them online and videos were being posted about making one out of an old tshirt. I had never felt so taken back. I was on the same boat and on his side. If I was infected and asymptomatic and his nose being exposed I could have easily passed it on to him because we were on the same elevator. If he had it he could have exhaled the virus and my brother and I could have caught it.
Sons of Confederate Veterans doesn't tolerate "hate talk". I don't know what that guy is talking about. It's about heritage, and southern pride, and honoring the veterans of the south who fought with valor.
@@BlackPanther008 So you think that the US government gave the Sons of Confederate Veterans 501c3 status under the IRC code because they are racist? I don't think they can do that.
People still admire General Rommel as a decent man and a great general. None of us is perfect and our imperfections don't diminish us, they just prove our humanity.
@@atanaZion you speak as if 1860 and 2020 are equivalent. We no longer marry 13 year olds, own slaves, help each other. As you can see in one way we are actually worse people than they were. When did your community last show up for a home raising. If you had been raised in the south you would have proudly donned the gray
They did that here in Tampa. There was a Confederate monument downtown, that was removed and placed on private property. From my understanding now stands on a Confederate cemetery.
How is a monument racist or evil. A monument doesn’t talk it doesn’t think and it doesn’t move. A monument shows what are past history was like and tells us on how not to repeat it and when to repeat it.
So what? Now they're not allowed to have their meetings! I don't think that's what the USA is all about. I could care less what they do...as long as nobody gets hurt, let them be! ☮️ They have rights too.
My great-great-great grandfather was a sergeant in the Confederate Army, serving in the 48th Alabama Infantry... I was born and raised in the North and heard vague stories about him from my great-aunt. I never bought the whole "It was about State's rights" argument because it begs the question, "state's rights to do what?" If you read Alexander Hamilton Stephens cornerstone speech, the south's cause was clearly about making slavery permanent. Knowing this, I cannot pretend that the cause my great-great-great grandfather put his life on the line for was a righteous one, but I also do not have any animosity towards him or the average Confederate soldier who had limited access to information. Many of them were being told that they were fighting to protect their homes from Northern aggressors, and when you are told that the Yankees are coming to bring you harm, the only rational way to act would be to go on the defensive. I don't resent the soldiers who fought in the same way I resent the cause they fought for, a lot of them were probably just caught in the middle or duped by the propaganda of all that "northern aggression" nonsense. Despite the cause, I still understand the desire to preserve the story of the Civil War, and the stories of our ancestors who partook in it... with that said, why should we distort the truth of the story? I am not proud of the cause that my 3x great grandfather fought for, but I am proud that despite the turmoil he went through, he managed to make it out alive when many around him were shot dead or blown to pieces. At Cedar Run, his company was almost annihilated. At Gettysburg, his company went through the "Slaughter pen" and he made it all the way to Appomattox unscathed. After the war he walked through several states to make it back home to Northern Alabama where he worked as a cobbler and a farmer. Stories like this are worth passing down, but distorting the overarching story is wrong, and that is something the SCV ought to remedy. Forgetting history to feel better about the past is not a way to fix things.
@@nanouli6511 Fort Sumter fired on itself? That was the kickoff and it was from Rebel guns. It's no different than the Japanese crying over Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
@@hdj7626 The Atlantic ocean, apart of the US state of South Carolina... Southerners fought and died for the slavery disguised as defense of freedom in the same way that American soldiers died for oil and lithium disguised as freedom... Union soldiers fought to keep the nation together, and it ultimately led to the emancipation of your slaves... so all three, there's only one true force that literally fought for freedom, while the south and the contemporary American military fought for $$$. My own kin fought for slavery, it's just the truth, and one of them died in a hospital in Richmond after Chancellorsville leaving a son and wife back home... all so that some southern planter who didn't give a shit about him could fill his pockets by exploiting free labor.
@@HANDHELD_HISTORY first of all "Your slaves" comment. Im not american. And I knew perfectly where fort sumter was. You get many things wrong, Slaves were not cheap labor. They were extreme expensive, very few could afford them. There were a bunch of free blacks who were slave owners, and even free blacks who joined ranks in the army. There are many other question you are not asking. Why did Lincoln ship 5000 blacks to the carrabean the day before the emancipation? Why were blacks denied to get land in the western territories,why instead lands from the former owners? How much money would Lincoln and his cronies lose if the south succeded? Why did the blacks never see the yankies as their linerator? Did the south btw have the right to succed?
“We are dedicated to promoting Confederate heritage so future generations can understand the motivations behind the Confederate cause” “Will you answer a few questions?” “No”
James Russeller III narrative as in slavery = bad or slave owners = trash of a human being? Or traitors should be shot right in the face or terrorist should be erased from the face of the earth like the scum they are? Or that white supremacy (or any kind of racial supremacy) is one of the dumbest ideas sub normal humans have ever had? Witch narrative did you mean buddy?
The Confederate cause/heritage is literally about slavery/oppression.There's no need to talk about it. Anyone intelligent enough sees it for what it is.
Amen....IF only all these fine folks would learn History and stop trying to create hate..things would be so much better! This poor Minister is stuck in his mind. As I was was told as a child...You cant confuse some people with facts, their minds are made up! The Civil War was NOT about slavery, it was about states being told by the Federal Govt what to do. If these fine folks would investigate they would quickly come to see the North had slaves and slave owners as well. Even General Grant owned them. But again, facts means nothing.
the fact that no one wants to talk about the history of confederacy speaks VOLUMES!!! if it was such a good history why are you ashamed of talking about it
@CL CL If no history exists then why do they want to take these thins down? (Remember they dont have anything to do with the confederacy, according to you ) ("What “history” exists of the confederacy? ") Now tell me some more about being "confused".
I love the overall reporting in this story, but I did find it rather ironic when the preacher said he is not in the business of changing people's hearts. Sir, that is 100% of your job.
This is something that was always iffy for me. Having grown up Black in the South (Texas in specific), I’ve seen these flags as commonly as dew on the grass. I know a lot of racist wave these, on the other hand, I know some who have taken that flag and have associated it with Southern Pride and culture. That being said, I’m not defending it by any means, just saying I know that not every person with this flag is racist.
The civil war was over a race issue, don't let anyone else tell you different. People who use it to represent a region of the USA are misinterpreting the flag. A new flag to represent the south should be commissioned if that's what that region wants for itself.
That's what I found too even for my black neighbors who lived in Gwinnett County Georgia. I was absolutely stunned nobody batted an eye at it. I think the problem is that it's been glorified in the south and the history behind it down there is very different from what is taught in the north. I live in Michigan and NOBODY would dream of ever flying one. They either just wouldn't or would be too scared. In 43 years I've yet to ever see one up here besides the occasional bumper sticker on a pickup truck. I will never forget the day I saw a huge one flying outside of a home in GA. I had to pull over. I cried. I only lived down there a year and moved back to Michigan. Everyone here when I told them about the flag and sent a picture was horrified. There is definitely a HUGE difference on how this flag is viewed based on geography. But we can't lose sight of what the TRUTH of that flag represents. Racism.
@@sneakysnickersnoopy the civil war was a money issue. The Southern States controlled cotton and in that era cotton was the money crop of the world. If the south had wanted to stop selling cotton they themselves could have effected the economy of the world... the North on the other hand benefited due to the textile factories in Northern states. At some point the money got funny and a war was started. It wasn't about "States Right's", "Ending Slavery" or creating a utopian society in America where all men were equal. It was about money and the control of the mechanism the helped gain it.
@Yellow Flash hurted - Verb (archaic or nonstandard) simple past tense and past participle of hurt. *YEAH IT IS CORRECT BUT I INVITE YOU TO SPEAK SPANISH AS WELL AS I SPEAK ENGLISH, THEN WE TALK ABOUT CORRECTION* :*
kekmaster 21 I don’t think people are hurt by the past. I am black, and stories of slavery and discrimination strike me as an empathetic person, but they don’t resonate with me directly. What does resonate, however, are the connections forced on me by the current world. I am black, and even though I never had a strongly “black” experience growing up, nobody who looks at me will know that. Cops will be suspicious of me, racists will disrespect me, a million tiny little circumstances and chances will shift ever so slightly against my favor. My life is likely to be poorer, harder, and shorter just because I have dark skin and curly hair. Why is that? Because of history. Because of the hatred and prejudice of people who lived before me, and passed that hatred down to their children, baked it into laws, mixed it in to traditions and practices. The fact that the Confederacy staked it’s entire existence on the notion that I, or someone I look like, is less than human and deserving of neither Life, Liberty, nor the pursuit of Happiness, means nothing to me. Until someone who holds those same racist beliefs is comforted and emboldened by Confederate statues and icons, and decides to act on those beliefs. To paraphrase Jack Johnson, “I’m Black, alright. They’ll never let me forget it.”
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These folks are just demonstrating respect for not only Confederate History, but their own family heritage. The reason they wouldn't talk to you is because the media notoriously distorts the facts to support the narrative they want to push. You seem like a decent person, so I'll ask you, should we destroy history because some people decided they were offended by it? I say no. The pastor you interviewed needs to be reminded that when he says "My People" that means God's People. He chooses to make this a racial issue with his own words. I can assure you, no one worships the statue of a Confederate Soldier as if it were God! The Sons of the Confederacy are not a hate group at all. Some people choose to be racist and I suppose that will always be the case. People need to be more concerned with making their own lives better and stop worrying about things that shouldn't't matter them.
@@rc59191 I'm guessing you never heard of Charlamagne Tha God from the Breakfast Club. ( He's the guy that had the talk with Joe Biden, in which Biden said " If you don''t vote for me, you ain't black" )
I’m not even from the south but here’s my take. Yes the history of this country is fucked up in every way shape and form, I’m not denying it. But if you keep history and monuments of history. It teaches a lesson to young generations that we shouldn’t be divided as a whole country. History should constantly remind people of what the hell happened so we can’t make the same mistake twice. We should have already developed unison by now, but the way people act brings out the evil bigotry that was installed here in the first place. We may be black, white, Hispanic, Asian, Arabic. But we’re all Americans and we should treat each other as human beings. Everyone has a heart and soul. Be proud of your family history but even be more proud of your ability to improve your family history by doing great things for one another. This is why we live to help one another out regardless of color
@@Valquill Exactly. What people fail to realize is that groups like the daughters of the confederacy used these monuments (as well as putting the confederate flags in the state flags) as a perpetuation of white supremacy.
@@night6724 well there's a significant difference between knowing basic civil war history and perpetuating lost cause false history, building monuments to the klan, collaborating with them and upholding them in a mythical status. Also, I grew up in the South, we ALL learn extensive civil war history...they do not need to go around erecting monuments
@@night6724 *deep sighs* you just don't get it huh. They "intimidate" us because when they were erected the same groups that erected them, like the Daughters of Confederacy actively supported white supremacy. They were explicitly erected near government buildings to both give legitimacy to the veneration of the Confederacy and as a symbolic notion that white supremacy was the future of the South. Many of these monuments went up during the early 20th century and the Civil rights movement, in direct response to Black southerners attempting to gain agency and overcome Jim Crow. You would literally go to the courtroom and see a literal symbol of your enslavement, and that was explicitly the purpose. There's no other reason you put a statue of Stonewall Jackson in Baltimore in 1948.
The Civil War was not about slavery. Blacks say things like, “My heritage involves racism and slavery.” But whites do it, and it’s wrong. I would love somebody to explain that to me.
Some reason I fear for a civil war in our home sweet home America. When will we learn we're all need eachother and we're all humans at the end of the day.
I love how these monuments and flags caused almost no issues for over a hundred years yet all of a sudden there making people so uncomfortable they just cant bare them lol
@Bozkurt postuna bürünmüş yobaz AraB devesi Sure pay for their respects for slavery. Yes before you say it, the civil war began because states rights and slavery. You don't see people in Germany defending Nazi or anything. These Confederate are trying act they are all ancient when they are deep down inside has hatred for people of color and people who are different from them.
@Bozkurt postuna bürünmüş yobaz AraB devesi lmao that flag was only used for 1 battle, very insignificant one at that. plus it was later reclaimed by the kkk. 🤨🤨
Not to mention that fighting for that flag meant choosing it over another flag with some Stars and Stripes on it, and trying to kill soldiers who were fighting under that American flag. If you want to honour the name of an individual who died, that’s fine. But that doesn’t mean the cause it stood for should be celebrated(it’s LITERALLY an anti American flag originally meant to show you weren’t on the side of the soldiers wearing the actual American flag. It lingered/was resurrected originally as a reminder/message to local blacks that they were hated enough that taking up arms against American soldiers was once seen as preferable to freeing slaves. That slavery only ended because they were forced to at the end of a gun, and to remind them the lengths they were willing to go before they would give them any more rights then they were already forced to give).
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Museums are the only public property where the Confederate flag & monuments should be in, where people can be educated about the history of slavery & racism in America.
i think people should be able to do whatever they want and show off their heritage wherever, whether it is hateful or not, the confederate flag is pretty much what you think of when you hear about the south.
This Canadian salutes the heroic memory of the brave soldiers of the Confederacy!There were many Canadian sympathizers of the Confederacy during that war.
There's a story of a few coper heads (Yankee Confederate sympathizers) ran off to Canada to keep away from the federal government and the Canadian government said they wouldn't hand them over and made sure no one chased after them. Cool fun fact.
I disagree with erasing history. History is history, you cant change it, you should use it to teach kids in school the mistakes that have been done in the past, like slavery and segregation.
the south lost the war...the history of the confederacy should be left in books; not on flags or statues celebrating their legacy. lets let the taliban wave their black flags in ny?
@@jibbyjabbatv let's erase George Washington from all bills and rename the city of Washington. He was a slave owner, as a lot of the country's founders who where also wealthy people owning slaves. I would also rename all the US cities bearing the name of an English city...reminder of our colonianist pas. Lot's of renaming to come...
“Talk your private little hate talk.” I am sorry Reverend, but the only hate evident in this video is coming from you, and I find that very disturbing.
If you ask me these statues are important in a certain way. In Germany we have a lot of old Nazi buildings with racist and anti-semtic quotes. But the most importsnt thing about history is NOT TO FORGET. Regardless of the antisemtic and racist quotes it is essential that people should be able to see and feel the suffering/pain by visting things like the Concentration camps or the Grandstand in Nürnberg. As a result those statues should not be destroyed, they should be placed on some other location where they can't be glorified anymore but used to teach future generations about the horrific act of slavery, so things like that won't happen ever again. #BLM
Slavery is not going to happen to black people again God won't allow that to happen to the Hebrews. You don't have to worry about that anymore that's why the statues are coming down everything about you now is going to be erased America's not going to get any whiter it's getting Brown. So someone has told you a lie. No
Not the same... anti-semitism has pretty much been agreed on by everyone to be wrong... yet the evils that occurred during and after feudal slavery in the U.S. has not been rectified. Not by far. The Jewish community has been compensated handsomely for the horrors they face for a few years. In the U.S. we still have very real and very consistent reminders other than statues of how we were and still are looked upon as less than human. The men and women that suffered through and survived Nazi Germany have been given opportunity to be made whole. Not so for Men and Women who were and still are affected by our cou tries past. Those things are not the same.
The first person to make real sense, as an African American person if that’s what they like them good for them but in public settings and places where they’re exposed to people isn’t right. Maybe a field or a museum they can build to house these thing is a much better idea.
I am a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans we partner with the sons of the Union veterans which is our Northern counterpart Civil War organization. We preserve Civil War history on both sides.
According to Abe Lincoln: "As to the policy I ‘seem to be pursuing,’ as you say, I have not meant to leave any one in doubt. I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored the nearer the Union will be ‘the Union as it was.’ If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that. What I do about slavery and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union." the war was not about slavery it was about Lincoln's view that States could not leave the Union...especially when the States that wanted t leave were paying most of the taxes that supported the federal government and manufacturing in New England. Lincoln was not against slavery, in his first inaugural address he assured the Cotton States that he had neither the constitutional right or the personal inclination to end slavery. He even was willing to make the Corwin amendment the law of the land: "I understand a proposed amendment to the Constitution--which amendment, however, I have not seen--has passed Congress, to the effect that the Federal Government shall never interfere with the domestic institutions of the States, including that of persons held to service. To avoid misconstruction of what I have said, I depart from my purpose not to speak of particular amendments so far as to say that, holding such a provision to now be implied constitutional law, I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable." Please separate in your mind the difference between secession and war. There never needed to be a war: Jefferson Davis to Abraham Lincoln: "MONTGOMERY, February 27, 1861. The President of the United States: Being animated by an earnest desire to unite and bind together our respective countries by friendly ties, I have appointed M. J. Crawford, one of our most settled and trustworthy citizens, as special commissioner of the Confederate States of America to the Government of the United States; and I have now the honor to introduce him to you, and to ask for him a reception and treatment corresponding to his station and to the purpose for which he is sent. Those purposes he will more particularly explain to you. Hoping that through his agency. &c. [sic.] JEFF'N DAVIS. For the purpose of establishing friendly relations between the Confederate States and the United States, and reposing special trust, &c., Martin J. Crawford, John Forsyth, and A. B. Roman are appointed special commissioners of the Confederate States to the United States. I have invested them with full and all manner of power and authority for and in the name of the Confederate States to meet and confer with any person or persons duly authorized by the Government of the United States being furnished with like powers and authority, and with them to agree, treat, consult, and negotiate of and concerning all matters and subjects interesting to both nations, and to conclude and sign a treaty or treaties, convention or conventions, touching the premises, transmitting the same to the President of the Confederate States for his final ratification by and with the consent of the Congress of the Confederate States. Given under my hand at the city of Montgomery this 27th day of February, A.D. 1861, and of the Independence of the Confederate States the eighty-fifth. JEFF N DAVIS. ROBERT TOOMBS, Secretary of State. The abolitionists wanted War to free the slaves.....and have obscured the real reasons for the war and Lincolns opinions of Africans and race to cover their tracks....
@@VincentBalducci oh btw and one more question. What kind of documents do you need? I only have a couple of federal census’s and his documents when he was in the hospital.
I'm a southerner I will fly my southern flag regardless of what anyone thinks that's my right as an American. If we erase history its bound to happen again.
@@ChrisHansen. their are not going to be any problems anyways it's my right to fly it just like it's a black person's right to fly BLM flag and if someone wants a problem their chest is going to be burning plain n simple
I resent your negative portrayal of the Sons of Confederate Veterans. You think you can just call people racist without knowing anyone. There is NEVER any "racist" talk at SCV meetings or events. You and the "Pastor " seemed to be the ones filled with hate and judgment of your fellow human beings. This video is absolutely disgusting and completely misleading.
When they say the Confederacy wasn't about slavery, well they're wrong, but being wrong doesn't make someone a racist. So when they say they just want to keep their heritage, I believe that. While there's no doubt in my mind that there are racists who fly the Confederate flag in support of slavery / white supremacy, the vast majority don't, they are just misinformed.
Confederacy isn’t a heritage. You can have Anglo Saxon heritage, Gaelic heritage the works. You don’t see anybody talking about their Rhodesian heritage and that lasted longer than the confederacy
IvyOracle you say that but you don’t see statues of SS soldiers all around Germany. And these were traitors you are literally supporting when people rush to call other people terrorist. They deserved to be remembered in the museum sure, but to be painted in a romanticized light like they are heros are unfitting. And their is no white genocide in history when the history book is already filled with plenty of white people
The truth is that whether it is the descendents of Confederate veterans or people from some other part of the planet, the more you tell someone how awful you think he is, the more tired he gets of hearing it. It makes him want to fly the flag even more.
Saying this in the nicest way possible and without trying to hurt anyone ones feelings, if we remove all the statues and history that surrounds it, then shouldn't we forget that the slaves existed also? The war wasnt just about slavery, and on top of that issue many of the slaves stayed where they were, they usually already had houses, they already knew their job skills, and the now farm owner knew them.. not all slave owners treated them as bad as many have formed the mental image of.. In the southern states even today 2020 you will still catch many black, brown, white, pink, yellow, blue, green basically any and all colors and races who still today fly the Confederate flag... it's part of them, it's what is in their blood, so my question is do you call a black man with a Confederate flag racist? Just a little something to think about, there is always 3 sides to every story, Your's, Mine, and then the Truth... try looking at it for every angle before jumping to any decisions in life...
deleting a statue is not deleting history. A statue is a commendation and celebration of someone, no anti-American confederate should ever be celebrated in America. Slavery was the only reason for the war.
You must not know about slavery after slavery where are the laws put in design for Black people so that they could be arrested and me to work there were no black land owners during slavery because it was a gift a law for a black person to own land and essentially they had no rights.
@@ajsavage9585 ... Really? You ignorant fool. Blacks could not own land? 33-35% of blacks owned black's. In SC, according to the 1860 census, Lamb Stevens was the wealthiest man in the state. He was exceedingly black. He owned 58 black slave's. He had 12 children and sold 9 of them into slavery. According to the same census, the third wealthiest man in SC was William Ellison from Statesboro SC. He to was black and owned slaves. He was a former slave who bought his, and his wife's freedom. He owned 38 slaves. He too had 12 children and sold all of them into slavery. Your ignorance is glaring...So much for a government education, or should I say a government indoctrination!
I joined their group they are actually pretty cool they teach history lessons and do all kinds of things but the only way you can be a member is if you have confederate ancestors
That's cool but the South is still being oppressed in a very real way. Please see my videos, I'm trying to help get the South to be free of the norths corrupt regime.
@@haroldjohnson2851 that's not true.... Not sure where you are but your ancestors had to faithfully served the Confederate states....but u can be any religion and color I'm a Muslim and we have plenty of black Americans in it! 🙂
I don’t understand why people don’t understand that nobody asked to be born and they don’t know what country or family they will be born into. Stop the hate. You don’t own the planet.
I want to thank you for your support in keeping America alive. I am a descendent of the: 33rd Confederate under John Duff texas army, and I have been under the scope as well as my family for years. Our goal is to revamp this America & world and would like to work with your foundation. Thank you
FYI, that downtown plaza is the old slave market. There is a pavilion there where slaves would be put on display and sold to the highest bidder. Those two monuments are in that plaza for a reason, to remind the freshly freed slaves of their heritage of chains and servitude. That plaza was used as a rally location for the Florida KKK to March against civil rights in the 1960's. The sheriff at the time, a self proclaimed segregationist, deputized members of the KKK to protect the city during civil rights marches. I lived in St Augustine for a few years, I visited the ruins of old black school that had been burned down by the KKK. It doesn't surprise me that the sons of the Confederacy chose to meet in St Augustine. It's a very progressive city, but there is an older white generation that lives in the area that still have very close links to the KKK. The heritage they are trying to hold onto is white supremacy.
Thank you for sharing. These confederate flag waving people want to remember a south ONLY made possible without enslavement..much like an X-Gestapo agent wants to remember Germany without Nazism...to ignore their horrific participation
Haven skye,,,,you’re amazing!!!! Thank you for sharing your knowledge 😘
I wasn't born here. My family emigrated to the US when I was a kid. I have no emotional connection to these old statues and relics. But I cringe at this hysteria of monument destruction. Shouldn't we want to remember our history? The good, the bad, the ugly -- ALL of it needs to be remembered. Especially if you're a person of color -- shouldn't you want to know where the markets were? Why would you think it better to throw down this old obelisk and pave it over? Why would you want to turn such an important part of your heritage into a parking lot? Yes, it isn't a pretty part of history but it IS pretty important. This makes no sense to me at all. Call me a racist. I just don't understand this.
@@SashaXXY Those monuments were not put up for historical purposes but to intimidate black folks. This issue has been researched heavily. If you go to these places they normally have plaques up telling people about the area. But many state archives have good information for people to learn as well as museums. I live in the south there's nothing about preserving history when this country destroyed indigenous history for their own destiny. This history can be and is offensive when you have places that black folks can't visit without being murdered, because people don't want them here. Just as they murdered and killed indigenous folks to claim their land and culture. This is not my heritage and never was. My heritage lies with my ancestors that were enslaved coming to this god forsaken country.
@@queenme7401 Does it really matter who put up those monuments and for what purpose? Today they stand as mere reminders of what once was. Hopefully to teach future generations to never repeat the mistakes of the past. Is a square stone pillar so offensive or intimidating that it must be destroyed? Is there really no alternative?
They reenact their war, every year,
AND STILL LOSE 😂
I damn near choked lmao!!!
Best comment by far.
This is amazing😭😭😭
the biggest L ever hahahahah
Its not about winning tho
Bully Lee lmao! Are you being sarcastic?! 😂🤔🤣
Preacher: "i'm not in the business of changing hearts"
God: um
I think that preacher has maybe lost sight of his mission. Changing hearts should be his mission. He should look at Gods Law Exodus 20-22 love thy neighbor forgive each other The Lord will handle judgment. think how far we could go if it wasn't for Useless Desires.... This Life For The Next!
@@giarcnamron2566 lawl, i love how you unintentionally just asked people to read the part of the bible that is god allowing slavery.
God changes peoples hearts not a minister. He was right in what he said. Men preach the truth but God changes the heart.
Well.... coz slavery is tolerated in the bible.
religion (not faith) was never about "winning hearts", it was and still is a system to control power and that is called politics; i think this priest is really honest in his approach cuz racism is just a tool of amoral-politics.
History should never be forgotten no matter what it is
And who exactly forgets the civil war?
You don't need a monument celebrating racism to remember our history. We have books,... go to the damn library!
@@fgc-linux1650 Books are burnable
Reperations for who 😆 lots of people were slaves
@@mywienersyoumusttouch6446 how many white people were enslaved by southerners? Now compare that to the amount of black people… you don’t know anything about history
I don't care about the statues... as long as they're not on public land. If they want them so bad purchase land and put them on private property. Problem solved.
wheeler90 then that should be done with ALL statues, not just confederate ones.
@@gerardosalas9477 nah not all statues... a statue is meant to celebrate the memory of a person or an occasion right? So with that I'm not even going to mention slavery because both north and south benefited from slavery. This is about the fact that they committed treason. And currently anyone that is a sympathetic to the Southern states committing an act of treason against this country should not be celebrated. Some statues celebrate occasions that everyone agrees with and a better representation of what this country is supposed to be about.
@@gerardosalas9477 they're overhyped participation trophies
@@user-vp9lc9up6v lol
They should be in museums
Do these people realize that The Gilmore Girls and ER both lasted longer than The Confederacy?
That joke is so old the Ashton Kutcher try to marry it
Wilson why hate on the Gilmore Girls? That was a fun to watch show.
Brilliant!
only if you ignore the segregation that followed in american laws across the south and even in the north until the 1970's. there are southern state that had qritten segregation laws up till the 1980's.
hell a black could not buy a house in certain subburbs in New York state. the houses contract dictated by the US government prevented blacks from buying them as first owner but also as second owners. till this day those contract still have the no black buyer clause but they are not respected any longer.
that is till this day an issue as black could not, then, buy a 10 thousand dollar home that is now worth near half a million. hard to build a furture in a capitalist country when you cannot get capitals. that is why there is white privilege wether you support it or not and it will take another full generation for it to witter away IF equality is maintained ... as shitty as it is wright now
Oh my God its not like the civil war was the most detrimental war and took most American lives in american history😱😱😱
Funny how a city named after a Roman-African who more than likely had brown or bronze skin is home to a confederate monument
I would wager that to these folks, Jesus could be no less white than any painting crafted during the Renaissance. World "History" and "Prehistory" lasts about 6,000 years to this bunch.
libtard
@@Gabriel-wg5ys Priviliage? XD
@@FerreusNRG exeacly
@CL CL I dont know, white supremacist arent exactly known for their intellect :D
Long Live The SCV!
why would anyone support racist, & white supremacist.
@@averageboi5195 cry about it black nationalist
@@DissidentMitch Your not denying his claim because it's true isn't it?
@@averageboi5195 this is the organization that is absolutely not. Of course a nut job can sneak into anything and that’s why they didn’t want to let them in to ask everyone questions. This organization is truly about honoring the dead and preserving their memory.
@@WhenInDarknessSeekTheLight Rather we are tired of trying to reason with the easily indoctrinated
Americans still celebrating the losing side of their civil war will forever blow my mind. Such a weird country.
Ikr
Like why celebrate the heritage of traitors? And a flag used by terrorists?
Yea for reals you dont see Germany celebrating the nazi's history...
The people celebrating these things are not Americans, they are traitors.
Devil's Advocate, but people celebrate Native Americans even though they were on the losing side.
The88Cheat they were also here first. Completely different thing. Native Americans were terribly wronged.
smells like LOST CAUSE to me
CHECKMATE LINCOLNITES!
Lol
Participation trophy
Abraham Lincoln Alten-Shul FOR THE WIN!!!
You saw all those old broken white poeple in that gated memorial 😂😂😂 omg it was wild!!!! If you could hear there inter thoughts !!!
The reporters little snide side remarks, tone of voice say it all.
The Vice reporter was respectful to the man at the fence, which was refreshing to see. And she was treated respectfully in return.
When a preacher says "im not in the business of trying to change hearts" & "my people" (referring to blacks not other christians) i cant take them seriously. Side note im black.
Thank you for that point.
‘My people’ biggest indicator of how disingenuous he is.
I am proud of having both German and Southern history. I was was never actively racist and if you asked me at at the time I would have said that I wasn't racist. I think most of these people actually don't understand and don't want too. Ironically I think the Confederate guy was right, we need to talk and respect everyone's heritage most importantly the ones we don't like.
No we don’t
Yeah we should respect traitors and Nazi culture
Yeah we definitely don't lol
might as well put up a statue of Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden since we honor all traitors with confederate statues
@@Jayday12345678910 Good luck navigating through life with that attitude, you wont get far.
Looking forward to seeing the Confederates losing again.
33 SixtyNine the south will rise again over my dead body homie
@33 SixtyNine Best words I ever heard from a southerner. I hope with better schools, chances for poor people, affordable health care and less firearms. Hats off!
Col. George S. Patton, Sr. That’s if I don’t get you first.
@33 SixtyNine I must say, at least you are a true Confederate who believes in the destruction of the USA. It boggles the mind when someone flies both the Confederate and the flag of the United States of America. From birth to death the confederates were enemies of the USA.
Ok, Boomer.
1:47 “Let me lock the door from the outside so you cant get in” 😂
I got the vibe that the lady is super racist and cold.
@@JuanDavid-ke2xq do me a favor and leave ur door wide open and unlocked for people to just barge in. U dont like it I'll call u a cold hearted racist. If ur not welcome u should have no intentions of entering. Thats the problem with our country now and theres a lot angry folks
@@JuanDavid-ke2xq old ass fart lmao
My Great Great Grandpa fought at the battle of Shiloh in April of 1862. He was buried with a mini ball in his hip. Fought for the CSA TN.
He was a traitor and you should be ashamed
God bless your great-great-grandfather. He fought with my 3rd great-grandfather for a noble cause.
never let anyone tell you to be ashamed of his actions. Make your own judgements on why he fought and whether it was right; but there is no reason to be ashamed. As a fellow descendant of a Confederate Veteran, I will admit that Slavery was a major cause of the war. But I invite everyone to imagine the bravery it took to march against cannon and musket knowing that, and I certainly don't want to overstep or offend, you or your closest friend might be cut down as your most courageous Ancestor was. Having a discussion about the role of slavery in secession is perfectly okay in my opinion. But if someone walks up on a group of people remembering the bravery and valour of their Ancestors who served in one of the bloodiest wars of American history, and then tells them they ought to be ashamed! They have not initiated respectful dialogue, they have insulted the Honourable Ancestors. You don't insult a man's family and expect him to take it lying down. How is this any different? Anyway, I know this has become rather long-winded, but I just wanted to pitch my two cents on your story. I apologize sincerely if I might have offended you by mentioning your Ancestor in this manner; my intent was only to honour respectfully and not to use his story as a conversation piece.
My great-grandfather fought because _everybody_ from his town fought for the CSA - and for no other reason. He was a teenager in 1863, and surrendered at the Battle of Old River Lake (Arkansas, 1864). Shot up so badly that he eventually couldn't work his farm in East Texas. The SCV have wanted to put a metal marker on his grave, and I will not allow it. A lot of Southern folks have a vaguely romantic idea about this awful war... 🥀
@@Austin8thGenTexan thank you for sharing your view with us. It is very important to preserve these stories for future generations so they can have a clearer picture of the real impacts of the war.
this pastor... my people my people... never talking about removing obstacles for every american just his people....
They were slaves and not even considered “people” by Whites
Clearly, he views the world through a racist lens.
Yeah...this 'so-called' pastor is Not a pastor at all...just another 'Race Hustler' like Jesse Jackson and Re-Rah-erend' 'Shopton'!! These dumbasses Know Nothing about the Confederacy or the War between the states.
Our people have not created obstacles for White people, we created revenue streams for White people. And when our people made an effort not be exploited any longer, White people took up arms and said their heritage was being infringed upon. Make sense?
The Confederates lost. Get over it, snowflakes! 😏
Totally agree liver publicans are such crybabies over this
@OBEYTHEWALRUS G59 Yep and after Jfk was elected everything flipped. The current Republicans don't represent what Lincoln represented same goes for current Democrats.
They were not modern liberals they took some of the values from classical liberalism. Classical liberalism doesn’t even promote slavery. But they took some of the values when They founded the confederate states of America.
#BLM
@OBEYTHEWALRUS G59 No duh and as I said from above. After Jfk was elected things changed and flipped. Thats why you see the South voting for Republicans who were first voting for Democrats who supported racism. Now its flipped and sure you have good and bad on both sides. You can't ignore the reality and what going on currently in our era.
@OBEYTHEWALRUS G59 Also fun fact John Quincy Adams was against slavery but he also predicted future president will end slavery eventually and that happens to Lincoln.
The Sons of Confederate Veterans Larry McCluney Jr even dresses like an old time slave owner.
I'm a professional journalist in Florida everyone should know the clip of Liz questioning Gov. Desantis is edited to remove the context and the entire question. We must be fair and objective to all, including politicians we may disagree with. While the issue of these monuments needs to be addressed, this was the worst possible time and place to do so. She asked her question at a press conference specifically about a local hospital and its response to Covid-19. I watched the entire presser live, and all media was informed about the nature of the conference prior. Liz then sat through 30 minutes (possibly longer) on that subject and heard multiple questions about the hospital and Covid-19. Once called on Liz starts a long rambling sentence about the monument and Representative John Lewis. It was out of place and also inappropriate to ask during a time set aside for questions about a specific local issue. That's why the Governor stopped her and responded with anger, which is also inappropriate on his part. What is inexcusable is that Liz wasted time set aside for local journalists trying to ascertain potentially life-saving information to report to the public. Your reporter and her decorum at this press conference is inappropriate and has a potential negative future impact on our already shaky relationship with this administration. Liz could have contacted his office for a statement about the monument and John Lewis, or set something up before or after. If she tried these avenues first she fails to mention it.
The civil war was not about slavery, it was about state rights, like the right to own slaves for example.
Jose Lara State rights like in Portland, where Trump sends in Federal troops to fight the 1st amendment?
Not gonna lie, you had me in the first half
thats not at all what states rights is about. But its common not to understand as its not taught in schools just like the barbary wars is not taught in school. there where 2 million white slaves in Africa. Just like you probably have no idea what a modern state is, centralization of government is, what state sovereignty means, If your case is true then why where there 5 union slave states? Why was slavery still protected in the US Constitution? You cant understand states right unless you understand American Government in detail from 1776-1865
Private property rights
Yes, states' rights to have slaves, so still about slavery
Yeah because Vietnam was fought by volunteers right?
No but the south didn’t have a draft per say, they joined on there on accord. They chose to fight a tyrannical government for whatever reasons. Would you be willing to fight if they stopped tik-tok yet snowflake?
F Offenton yes, it was too little too late in the eyes of the Confederacy. Fighting for slavery wasn't only about preserving it where it was but also about expanding it into the new states. Also, once the rebellious movement was in motion and united by slavery, it becomes a lot easier to tack on the other benefits of their movement.
Besides, it's not like an amendment can't be undone. If all of the new states became free states then eventually the amendment would have been undone with another amendment
And still about states rights ;3
@@waterboyyyyy9523 to expand slavery, yes
1:31 smh what's the point of wearing a face mask when you're not even covering your nose ...
Mask don't stop the spread of the virus anyway
to stop microscopic blobs of spittle spraying the faces of others
I LITERALLY told this old geezer that while I was on an elevator! I only had one fabric mask that my sister in law gave me a couple of days before and I forgot it at home. That was way back in like April and mandatory face masks were not the standard yet. So I a Hispanic female was on the elevator with my teenage brother and the old man got on. He had it on low and I believe upside down. I told him RESPECTFULLY and POLITELY Sir when wearing a mask it's better to cover your nose because there's no point in wearing one if your nose isn't covered. He looks at me and said I WOULDN'T TELL SOMEONE HOW TO WEAR A MASK IF I WASN'T EVEN WEARING ONE. I meant no harm. I'm 21. He looked like he was 70. I have much better chances of recovering quicker from the virus than he does. I didn't mean it to critique him, but to help him. I had no mask on not because I didn't feel like wearing one, but because they were literally SOLD out everywhere and didn't have one at hand. It was back before Walmart and Target were selling them online and videos were being posted about making one out of an old tshirt. I had never felt so taken back. I was on the same boat and on his side. If I was infected and asymptomatic and his nose being exposed I could have easily passed it on to him because we were on the same elevator. If he had it he could have exhaled the virus and my brother and I could have caught it.
it’s okay bc they’re all mouth breathers 😂
bro I know this is on a Confederate topic and all but like I have to agree with you why were face mask if you're not going to cover your nose
I'm a Black man and my great-great-great grandfather (Jacob Amaker) was a White confederate soldier out Orangeburg South Carolina.
Sons of Confederate Veterans doesn't tolerate "hate talk". I don't know what that guy is talking about. It's about heritage, and southern pride, and honoring the veterans of the south who fought with valor.
That heritage was about fighting to uphold the institution that kept people who look like me as property.
@@BlackPanther008 So you think that the US government gave the Sons of Confederate Veterans 501c3 status under the IRC code because they are racist? I don't think they can do that.
@@EB-vs9tr Confederates are traitors and white supremacists. Plenty of hate groups have a tax exempt status.
The Confederate States and Confederate soldiers will always be with me bless both of them.
Why?
Because I can 😊
@@sammyfolsom3928 yea, but why would you want racist losers to always be with you?
People still admire General Rommel as a decent man and a great general. None of us is perfect and our imperfections don't diminish us, they just prove our humanity.
The imperfection of fighting for slavery does diminish you
Fighting in name of slavery is far from a regular imperfection,lmao
@@atanaZion you speak as if 1860 and 2020 are equivalent. We no longer marry 13 year olds, own slaves, help each other. As you can see in one way we are actually worse people than they were. When did your community last show up for a home raising. If you had been raised in the south you would have proudly donned the gray
I agree with you. The preceding two commenters are NPCs
Rommel wasn't a Nazi, he was a German general.
Move that to a museum or the local battlefield site there
Yes
They did that here in Tampa. There was a Confederate monument downtown, that was removed and placed on private property. From my understanding now stands on a Confederate cemetery.
Abraham Lincoln I agree mr president
Jeff J that’s sensible. History must be preserved at all costs and not desecrated
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it's so hilarious when Confederate supporters tell people to get over it, and they still crying about a war they lost over 200 years ago 😂😂😁😂😁😂
2020-1865= 155 years. Pretty sure that's not over 200 years but that's just me.
@@jtrost87 And your point is? They still lost lmao
Aredus point is they want to ridicule somebody else and can’t even add math right....
African americans are still crying about something that happened 400 years ago. What's your point?
@@MarkRai-ko1sk African Americans will stop crying when these people do
Proud SCV member.
How is a monument racist or evil. A monument doesn’t talk it doesn’t think and it doesn’t move. A monument shows what are past history was like and tells us on how not to repeat it and when to repeat it.
I thought these people hate participation awards.
I thought we are suppose to honor the dead
Politics aside, participation trophies are dumb
MlgSergeant Crusader so let's honour the redcoats then ?
@@Armed-Forever Yeah let's honor them
@Graham - They love their loser trophies. They still embrace their "Heritage OF Hate!" with all the strength their sphincters can muster.
Did I just see a preacher say “ I’m not into the business of trying to change hearts “ .. WOW
He is in the money business
So what? Now they're not allowed to have their meetings! I don't think that's what the USA is all about. I could care less what they do...as long as nobody gets hurt, let them be! ☮️ They have rights too.
@Sal Vulcano Yes. Instead of sugarcoating history with their Lost cause bullshit.
Hell no, if I killed your mother and father, and they put a statue of me in their front yard, you wouldn't be so happy either
My great-great-great grandfather was a sergeant in the Confederate Army, serving in the 48th Alabama Infantry... I was born and raised in the North and heard vague stories about him from my great-aunt. I never bought the whole "It was about State's rights" argument because it begs the question, "state's rights to do what?" If you read Alexander Hamilton Stephens cornerstone speech, the south's cause was clearly about making slavery permanent. Knowing this, I cannot pretend that the cause my great-great-great grandfather put his life on the line for was a righteous one, but I also do not have any animosity towards him or the average Confederate soldier who had limited access to information. Many of them were being told that they were fighting to protect their homes from Northern aggressors, and when you are told that the Yankees are coming to bring you harm, the only rational way to act would be to go on the defensive. I don't resent the soldiers who fought in the same way I resent the cause they fought for, a lot of them were probably just caught in the middle or duped by the propaganda of all that "northern aggression" nonsense. Despite the cause, I still understand the desire to preserve the story of the Civil War, and the stories of our ancestors who partook in it... with that said, why should we distort the truth of the story? I am not proud of the cause that my 3x great grandfather fought for, but I am proud that despite the turmoil he went through, he managed to make it out alive when many around him were shot dead or blown to pieces. At Cedar Run, his company was almost annihilated. At Gettysburg, his company went through the "Slaughter pen" and he made it all the way to Appomattox unscathed. After the war he walked through several states to make it back home to Northern Alabama where he worked as a cobbler and a farmer. Stories like this are worth passing down, but distorting the overarching story is wrong, and that is something the SCV ought to remedy. Forgetting history to feel better about the past is not a way to fix things.
About 750,000 men were killed in the war and between 350,000 to a million southern civilians. What part of "northern agression" to you not understand?
@@nanouli6511 Fort Sumter fired on itself? That was the kickoff and it was from Rebel guns. It's no different than the Japanese crying over Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Where was fort sumter located?
@@hdj7626 The Atlantic ocean, apart of the US state of South Carolina... Southerners fought and died for the slavery disguised as defense of freedom in the same way that American soldiers died for oil and lithium disguised as freedom... Union soldiers fought to keep the nation together, and it ultimately led to the emancipation of your slaves... so all three, there's only one true force that literally fought for freedom, while the south and the contemporary American military fought for $$$. My own kin fought for slavery, it's just the truth, and one of them died in a hospital in Richmond after Chancellorsville leaving a son and wife back home... all so that some southern planter who didn't give a shit about him could fill his pockets by exploiting free labor.
@@HANDHELD_HISTORY first of all "Your slaves" comment. Im not american. And I knew perfectly where fort sumter was. You get many things wrong, Slaves were not cheap labor. They were extreme expensive, very few could afford them. There were a bunch of free blacks who were slave owners, and even free blacks who joined ranks in the army. There are many other question you are not asking. Why did Lincoln ship 5000 blacks to the carrabean the day before the emancipation? Why were blacks denied to get land in the western territories,why instead lands from the former owners? How much money would Lincoln and his cronies lose if the south succeded? Why did the blacks never see the yankies as their linerator? Did the south btw have the right to succed?
if we change everything that offends people then it will just be never ending problems
might as well put up a statue of Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden since we honor all traitors with confederate statues
“We are dedicated to promoting Confederate heritage so future generations can understand the motivations behind the Confederate cause”
“Will you answer a few questions?”
“No”
Why not a statue of King George III, King of England, protector of Ireland & sovereign ruler of the Commonwealth-in Washington DC?
@@jamesrusselleriii8284 what's your conspiracy theory for this one buddy. Confederates not actually racist ? slaves liked working in the fields ?
James Russeller III narrative as in slavery = bad or slave owners = trash of a human being? Or traitors should be shot right in the face or terrorist should be erased from the face of the earth like the scum they are? Or that white supremacy (or any kind of racial supremacy) is one of the dumbest ideas sub normal humans have ever had? Witch narrative did you mean buddy?
The Confederate cause/heritage is literally about slavery/oppression.There's no need to talk about it. Anyone intelligent enough sees it for what it is.
Amen....IF only all these fine folks would learn History and stop trying to create hate..things would be so much better! This poor Minister is stuck in his mind. As I was was told as a child...You cant confuse some people with facts, their minds are made up! The Civil War was NOT about slavery, it was about states being told by the Federal Govt what to do. If these fine folks would investigate they would quickly come to see the North had slaves and slave owners as well. Even General Grant owned them. But again, facts means nothing.
haha imagine being a traitor 🤢 union gang
Gang👉👌
Imagine believing in the Lost Cause myth.
Union gang! (Lincoln Gang)
Really? Cause a few weeks ago you were burning american flags.
@@Felix0587 drop the video evidence? lmaoo
The British said the same
the fact that no one wants to talk about the history of confederacy speaks VOLUMES!!! if it was such a good history why are you ashamed of talking about it
They are all lost causers.
If one is shameless and does bad, what stops them from manipulating the truth?
We need to quit fighting amongst ourselves long enough to see who the real enemy is... stand together...or Fall separately...
@CL CL If no history exists then why do they want to take these thins down?
(Remember they dont have anything to do with the confederacy, according to you )
("What “history” exists of the confederacy? ")
Now tell me some more about being "confused".
I love the overall reporting in this story, but I did find it rather ironic when the preacher said he is not in the business of changing people's hearts. Sir, that is 100% of your job.
Amen
Not to a 'fake' preacher like this Low-life' is!!
5:38 "I'm not in the business of trying to change hearts."
You're a priest. I'm pretty sure that's your job.
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He’s a catholic priest ?? 🤔
You guys ain’t the brightest are you ...
"It is a misfortune for the dead man,
that his enemy survived him,
and wrote his story."
Friedrich von Schiller
The South is still there, and there are plenty of records by both sides.
You sound like you want to make excuses.
1:47 what's the point of a gate lock if it's outside the gate
Because somebody locks it and goes home for the day
Keeps the zombies in just in case...
@@holy_nuke8479 happens every day in america
Keep the Southern Cross flying. Deo Vindice
This is something that was always iffy for me. Having grown up Black in the South (Texas in specific), I’ve seen these flags as commonly as dew on the grass. I know a lot of racist wave these, on the other hand, I know some who have taken that flag and have associated it with Southern Pride and culture. That being said, I’m not defending it by any means, just saying I know that not every person with this flag is racist.
This comment got buried because everyone here in the comments is too busy spewing vitriol at each other
Not every person who flys the confederate flag is racist but every racist flys that flag
The civil war was over a race issue, don't let anyone else tell you different. People who use it to represent a region of the USA are misinterpreting the flag. A new flag to represent the south should be commissioned if that's what that region wants for itself.
That's what I found too even for my black neighbors who lived in Gwinnett County Georgia. I was absolutely stunned nobody batted an eye at it. I think the problem is that it's been glorified in the south and the history behind it down there is very different from what is taught in the north. I live in Michigan and NOBODY would dream of ever flying one. They either just wouldn't or would be too scared. In 43 years I've yet to ever see one up here besides the occasional bumper sticker on a pickup truck. I will never forget the day I saw a huge one flying outside of a home in GA. I had to pull over. I cried. I only lived down there a year and moved back to Michigan. Everyone here when I told them about the flag and sent a picture was horrified. There is definitely a HUGE difference on how this flag is viewed based on geography. But we can't lose sight of what the TRUTH of that flag represents. Racism.
@@sneakysnickersnoopy the civil war was a money issue. The Southern States controlled cotton and in that era cotton was the money crop of the world. If the south had wanted to stop selling cotton they themselves could have effected the economy of the world... the North on the other hand benefited due to the textile factories in Northern states. At some point the money got funny and a war was started. It wasn't about "States Right's", "Ending Slavery" or creating a utopian society in America where all men were equal. It was about money and the control of the mechanism the helped gain it.
“Is it worth hurting people over it?” “Yes” but be the first ones hurt when we tell them to wear a mask or support liberal laws
Are people hurted about things that they didnt live?
@Yellow Flash hurted - Verb (archaic or nonstandard) simple past tense and past participle of hurt.
*YEAH IT IS CORRECT BUT I INVITE YOU TO SPEAK SPANISH AS WELL AS I SPEAK ENGLISH, THEN WE TALK ABOUT CORRECTION* :*
@Yellow Flash *i give you a definition u Pepega go back to elementary to learn what a definition is.*
kekmaster 21 I don’t think people are hurt by the past. I am black, and stories of slavery and discrimination strike me as an empathetic person, but they don’t resonate with me directly. What does resonate, however, are the connections forced on me by the current world. I am black, and even though I never had a strongly “black” experience growing up, nobody who looks at me will know that. Cops will be suspicious of me, racists will disrespect me, a million tiny little circumstances and chances will shift ever so slightly against my favor. My life is likely to be poorer, harder, and shorter just because I have dark skin and curly hair.
Why is that? Because of history. Because of the hatred and prejudice of people who lived before me, and passed that hatred down to their children, baked it into laws, mixed it in to traditions and practices. The fact that the Confederacy staked it’s entire existence on the notion that I, or someone I look like, is less than human and deserving of neither Life, Liberty, nor the pursuit of Happiness, means nothing to me. Until someone who holds those same racist beliefs is comforted and emboldened by Confederate statues and icons, and decides to act on those beliefs.
To paraphrase Jack Johnson, “I’m Black, alright. They’ll never let me forget it.”
Yeah agreed , just look at this new leak , truly disgusting of them n watch it full
hoodsite.com/graphic-brazilian-inmate-gets-dismembered-and-his-heart-ripped-out-of-his-chest-by-rivals-in-prison/
4 years of racism and faliure has somehow convinced some southerners to believe it is their heritage
4 years? We are still fighting against the confedetates and their racism today, in the 21st century.
Yeah agreed , just look at this new leak , truly disgusting of them n watch it full
hoodsite.com/graphic-brazilian-inmate-gets-dismembered-and-his-heart-ripped-out-of-his-chest-by-rivals-in-prison/
@@holy_nuke8479 happens in america bro
These folks are just demonstrating respect for not only Confederate History, but their own family heritage. The reason they wouldn't talk to you is because the media notoriously distorts the facts to support the narrative they want to push. You seem like a decent person, so I'll ask you, should we destroy history because some people decided they were offended by it? I say no. The pastor you interviewed needs to be reminded that when he says "My People" that means God's People. He chooses to make this a racial issue with his own words. I can assure you, no one worships the statue of a Confederate Soldier as if it were God! The Sons of the Confederacy are not a hate group at all. Some people choose to be racist and I suppose that will always be the case. People need to be more concerned with making their own lives better and stop worrying about things that shouldn't't matter them.
1:50 * let me just lock this gate on you from your side with no lock * 😂😂😂 I woulda just let myself in
It's surprising how much effort is being put towards rewriting history by people that obviously don't know their own.
The neo confederates already did it, there’s no need to “rewrite” history
the mayonnaise is heavy on this one
You racist
They need the sweet sounds of The Hamiltones.
@@rc59191 I'm guessing you never heard of Charlamagne Tha God from the Breakfast Club. ( He's the guy that had the talk with Joe Biden, in which Biden said " If you don''t vote for me, you ain't black" )
The fight is really the thought process between : Progress VS Stagnation. Some People Dont and/or Wont Evolve so there will always be this Problem.
100℅ right on that one
As an American of German descent, all history must be remembered, but not all history should be celebrated.
You can tear down all the statues you Yankees want but you will never ever change our hearts or minds
@Homer Says Doh "give them Yankees cold steel" AP Hill Gettysburg lol lol
“You wouldn’t see a single black person fight for us if it wasn’t about slavery.” They didn’t have a choice. That’s the point of slavery.
Oh yay, the daughters of the confederacy got brothers now.
I’m not even from the south but here’s my take. Yes the history of this country is fucked up in every way shape and form, I’m not denying it. But if you keep history and monuments of history. It teaches a lesson to young generations that we shouldn’t be divided as a whole country. History should constantly remind people of what the hell happened so we can’t make the same mistake twice. We should have already developed unison by now, but the way people act brings out the evil bigotry that was installed here in the first place. We may be black, white, Hispanic, Asian, Arabic. But we’re all Americans and we should treat each other as human beings. Everyone has a heart and soul. Be proud of your family history but even be more proud of your ability to improve your family history by doing great things for one another. This is why we live to help one another out regardless of color
I agree to keeping the monuments in display. At a museum. Public monuments should empower the people, not keep the, down.
@@Valquill Exactly. What people fail to realize is that groups like the daughters of the confederacy used these monuments (as well as putting the confederate flags in the state flags) as a perpetuation of white supremacy.
Nah. Keep taking things down. Just puts flames onto the fire and leads to another civil war.
@@night6724 well there's a significant difference between knowing basic civil war history and perpetuating lost cause false history, building monuments to the klan, collaborating with them and upholding them in a mythical status. Also, I grew up in the South, we ALL learn extensive civil war history...they do not need to go around erecting monuments
@@night6724 *deep sighs* you just don't get it huh. They "intimidate" us because when they were erected the same groups that erected them, like the Daughters of Confederacy actively supported white supremacy. They were explicitly erected near government buildings to both give legitimacy to the veneration of the Confederacy and as a symbolic notion that white supremacy was the future of the South. Many of these monuments went up during the early 20th century and the Civil rights movement, in direct response to Black southerners attempting to gain agency and overcome Jim Crow. You would literally go to the courtroom and see a literal symbol of your enslavement, and that was explicitly the purpose. There's no other reason you put a statue of Stonewall Jackson in Baltimore in 1948.
I love civil war history and my confederate flag
Traitor
That confederate flag is not to be loved. That flag stood for one thing and that is it tore our country apart
The Civil War was not about slavery. Blacks say things like, “My heritage involves racism and slavery.” But whites do it, and it’s wrong. I would love somebody to explain that to me.
Really wish some of those guys actually spoke to Vice. We can never have an understanding of one another if we won't even talk to each other
When the media has their own agenda and what they want to push out, would you want to talk to them?
Some reason I fear for a civil war in our home sweet home America. When will we learn we're all need eachother and we're all humans at the end of the day.
Also at the beginning of it.
Never
America is a social experiment...
genocidal tendency to pursue the "ethnostate" vs. civil fucking rights? so compromise?
We need more of a French revolution thing if you ask me
I love how these monuments and flags caused almost no issues for over a hundred years yet all of a sudden there making people so uncomfortable they just cant bare them lol
Is it possible it made people uncomfortable that whole time and you were unaware?
Yikes
@Bozkurt postuna bürünmüş yobaz AraB devesi Sure pay for their respects for slavery. Yes before you say it, the civil war began because states rights and slavery. You don't see people in Germany defending Nazi or anything. These Confederate are trying act they are all ancient when they are deep down inside has hatred for people of color and people who are different from them.
@Bozkurt postuna bürünmüş yobaz AraB devesi lmao that flag was only used for 1 battle, very insignificant one at that. plus it was later reclaimed by the kkk. 🤨🤨
Not to mention that fighting for that flag meant choosing it over another flag with some Stars and Stripes on it, and trying to kill soldiers who were fighting under that American flag. If you want to honour the name of an individual who died, that’s fine. But that doesn’t mean the cause it stood for should be celebrated(it’s LITERALLY an anti American flag originally meant to show you weren’t on the side of the soldiers wearing the actual American flag. It lingered/was resurrected originally as a reminder/message to local blacks that they were hated enough that taking up arms against American soldiers was once seen as preferable to freeing slaves. That slavery only ended because they were forced to at the end of a gun, and to remind them the lengths they were willing to go before they would give them any more rights then they were already forced to give).
@Bozkurt postuna bürünmüş yobaz AraB devesi Bruh.
@@coffeeveins look at this man, slapping people with logic
I miss the old vice.
then unsubscribe and stop crying? Literally no one cares.
@@Thehammm_ also..if you just started watching vice in the past 5 years...hard news to swallow they've been around since 1994. Have fun searching for the content im referring to.
@@Theguyuknowtrue Ive been reading vice since 2002 - I'm fully aware of the content they make. But again...unsubscribe and stop crying - Nobody still cares.
Im also flattered that you had to google when vice started, you're actually kind of adorable
IT👏WAS👏A👏WAR👏OF👏SOUTHERN👏AGGRESSION👏TO👏DEFEND👏SLAVERY
Nope
@@UTTPOfficerBennie might as well put up a statue of Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden since we honor all traitors with confederate statues
Stop writing in all caps and using excessive emojis.
Y’all lost give up already...
yeah just look at this new leak , truly disgusting watch it full
hoodsite.com/graphic-brazilian-inmate-gets-dismembered-and-his-heart-ripped-out-of-his-chest-by-rivals-in-prison/
Give up what? We arent trying to re-establish the CSA, LOL! We simply are pro-history, for everyone to enjoy, learn from. Jeez.... lol
A revererand not in the business of changing hearts!!! That's exactly what a real reverend is supposed to be doing. Wow!
He'a definatly not doing god's work thats for sure! I feel sorry for the people attending that church
He is not a Reverend, he is a communist activist!
No
Could I mean he’s not in the business of changing peoples hearts who don’t want to be changed ever thought of that
@@ajsavage9585 ...dumb.
Museums are the only public property where the Confederate flag & monuments should be in, where people can be educated about the history of slavery & racism in America.
Thank god for some logic
History is past and it hapend do you like it or not, you can not change the past
Did the monument hurt your feelings👶
i think people should be able to do whatever they want and show off their heritage wherever, whether it is hateful or not, the confederate flag is pretty much what you think of when you hear about the south.
This Canadian salutes the heroic memory of the brave soldiers of the Confederacy!There were many Canadian sympathizers of the Confederacy during that war.
Please stay in Canada, America does not need more traitors.
@@MarvinHowellMecho23 A Canadian citizen cannot legally be a traitor to the United States.
@@carausiuscaesar5672 ok well stay out confederate. You guys already lost.
There's a story of a few coper heads (Yankee Confederate sympathizers) ran off to Canada to keep away from the federal government and the Canadian government said they wouldn't hand them over and made sure no one chased after them. Cool fun fact.
I disagree with erasing history. History is history, you cant change it, you should use it to teach kids in school the mistakes that have been done in the past, like slavery and segregation.
the south lost the war...the history of the confederacy should be left in books; not on flags or statues celebrating their legacy. lets let the taliban wave their black flags in ny?
@@jibbyjabbatv good thing we don't allow any British flags in this country...... Wait a minute
@@jibbyjabbatv let's erase George Washington from all bills and rename the city of Washington. He was a slave owner, as a lot of the country's founders who where also wealthy people owning slaves. I would also rename all the US cities bearing the name of an English city...reminder of our colonianist pas. Lot's of renaming to come...
@@Shaddowbanned this makes no sense and your missing my point
@@pololedodo7981 powers that win wars have privileges
LOL! Just like a Saturday night live skit!
So they can’t have a meeting or visit gravesites without being harassed
“Talk your private little hate talk.” I am sorry Reverend, but the only hate evident in this video is coming from you, and I find that very disturbing.
God Bless this group, keep the dream alive!!!
If you ask me these statues are important in a certain way. In Germany we have a lot of old Nazi buildings with racist and anti-semtic quotes. But the most importsnt thing about history is NOT TO FORGET. Regardless of the antisemtic and racist quotes it is essential that people should be able to see and feel the suffering/pain by visting things like the Concentration camps or the Grandstand in Nürnberg. As a result those statues should not be destroyed, they should be placed on some other location where they can't be glorified anymore but used to teach future generations about the horrific act of slavery, so things like that won't happen ever again. #BLM
Slavery is not going to happen to black people again God won't allow that to happen to the Hebrews. You don't have to worry about that anymore that's why the statues are coming down everything about you now is going to be erased America's not going to get any whiter it's getting Brown. So someone has told you a lie. No
Not the same... anti-semitism has pretty much been agreed on by everyone to be wrong... yet the evils that occurred during and after feudal slavery in the U.S. has not been rectified. Not by far. The Jewish community has been compensated handsomely for the horrors they face for a few years. In the U.S. we still have very real and very consistent reminders other than statues of how we were and still are looked upon as less than human. The men and women that suffered through and survived Nazi Germany have been given opportunity to be made whole. Not so for Men and Women who were and still are affected by our cou tries past. Those things are not the same.
The first person to make real sense, as an African American person if that’s what they like them good for them but in public settings and places where they’re exposed to people isn’t right. Maybe a field or a museum they can build to house these thing is a much better idea.
just say compromise
@@Marchking45 I agree put them on private property or in a museum. Not on public land or in public buildings that's a no go.
I am a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans we partner with the sons of the Union veterans which is our Northern counterpart Civil War organization. We preserve Civil War history on both sides.
SCV pushes the lost cause myth and supports white supremacy.
You lost. Get over it.
Exactly. This is the biggest case of “I want a participation trophy” I done ever seen.
:/
We all lost in the end
classic vice asking an unrelated question at a corona virus presser
According to Abe Lincoln: "As to the policy I ‘seem to be pursuing,’ as you say, I have not meant to leave any one in doubt. I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored the nearer the Union will be ‘the Union as it was.’ If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that. What I do about slavery and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union." the war was not about slavery it was about Lincoln's view that States could not leave the Union...especially when the States that wanted t leave were paying most of the taxes that supported the federal government and manufacturing in New England. Lincoln was not against slavery, in his first inaugural address he assured the Cotton States that he had neither the constitutional right or the personal inclination to end slavery. He even was willing to make the Corwin amendment the law of the land: "I understand a proposed amendment to the Constitution--which amendment, however, I have not seen--has passed Congress, to the effect that the Federal Government shall never interfere with the domestic institutions of the States, including that of persons held to service. To avoid misconstruction of what I have said, I depart from my purpose not to speak of particular amendments so far as to say that, holding such a provision to now be implied constitutional law, I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable."
Please separate in your mind the difference between secession and war. There never needed to be a war: Jefferson Davis to Abraham Lincoln:
"MONTGOMERY, February 27, 1861.
The President of the United States: Being animated by an earnest desire to unite and bind together our respective countries by friendly ties, I have appointed M. J. Crawford, one of our most settled and trustworthy citizens, as special commissioner of the Confederate States of America to the Government of the United States; and I have now the honor to introduce him to you, and to ask for him a reception and treatment corresponding to his station and to the purpose for which he is sent. Those purposes he will more particularly explain to you. Hoping that through his agency. &c. [sic.]
JEFF'N DAVIS.
For the purpose of establishing friendly relations between the Confederate States and the United States, and reposing special trust, &c., Martin J. Crawford, John Forsyth, and A. B. Roman are appointed special commissioners of the Confederate States to the United States. I have invested them with full and all manner of power and authority for and in the name of the Confederate States to meet and confer with any person or persons duly authorized by the Government of the United States being furnished with like powers and authority, and with them to agree, treat, consult, and negotiate of and concerning all matters and subjects interesting to both nations, and to conclude and sign a treaty or treaties, convention or conventions, touching the premises, transmitting the same to the President of the Confederate States for his final ratification by and with the consent of the Congress of the Confederate States.
Given under my hand at the city of Montgomery this 27th day of February, A.D. 1861, and of the Independence of the Confederate States the eighty-fifth.
JEFF N DAVIS.
ROBERT TOOMBS, Secretary of State.
The abolitionists wanted War to free the slaves.....and have obscured the real reasons for the war and Lincolns opinions of Africans and race to cover their tracks....
Proud to be part of the SCV! They are above love instead of divisive ministers!
How many ancestors do you need to join one? Cause I have one confirmed (possibly 2). I need to check my ancestry papers again
@@ar-1571 you only need one!
@@VincentBalducci cool! I will get into it then. Thanks!
@@VincentBalducci oh btw and one more question. What kind of documents do you need? I only have a couple of federal census’s and his documents when he was in the hospital.
I'm a southerner I will fly my southern flag regardless of what anyone thinks that's my right as an American. If we erase history its bound to happen again.
keep on your own land and there won't be any problems
@@ChrisHansen. their are not going to be any problems anyways it's my right to fly it just like it's a black person's right to fly BLM flag and if someone wants a problem their chest is going to be burning plain n simple
@I Have A Playlist You Might Like. no sir it's not it's my right
@@phoenixs9896 I agree with everything else except for murder
That just shows how nice they are. People need an go.
I resent your negative portrayal of the Sons of Confederate Veterans. You think you can just call people racist without knowing anyone. There is NEVER any "racist" talk at SCV meetings or events. You and the "Pastor " seemed to be the ones filled with hate and judgment of your fellow human beings. This video is absolutely disgusting and completely misleading.
Not everybody has a heritage that they CAN be proud of.
When they say the Confederacy wasn't about slavery, well they're wrong, but being wrong doesn't make someone a racist. So when they say they just want to keep their heritage, I believe that. While there's no doubt in my mind that there are racists who fly the Confederate flag in support of slavery / white supremacy, the vast majority don't, they are just misinformed.
They can keep their heritage. The problem is, they twist the history to make the confederate different from what it actually was
This is why I have mixed feelings about having grown up in the South.
Why? You think it ok?
Is someone going to tell her her mask is upside down
Confederacy isn’t a heritage. You can have Anglo Saxon heritage, Gaelic heritage the works. You don’t see anybody talking about their Rhodesian heritage and that lasted longer than the confederacy
IvyOracle you say that but you don’t see statues of SS soldiers all around Germany. And these were traitors you are literally supporting when people rush to call other people terrorist. They deserved to be remembered in the museum sure, but to be painted in a romanticized light like they are heros are unfitting. And their is no white genocide in history when the history book is already filled with plenty of white people
The truth is that whether it is the descendents of Confederate veterans or people from some other part of the planet, the more you tell someone how awful you think he is, the more tired he gets of hearing it. It makes him want to fly the flag even more.
This is spot on.
Saying this in the nicest way possible and without trying to hurt anyone ones feelings, if we remove all the statues and history that surrounds it, then shouldn't we forget that the slaves existed also? The war wasnt just about slavery, and on top of that issue many of the slaves stayed where they were, they usually already had houses, they already knew their job skills, and the now farm owner knew them.. not all slave owners treated them as bad as many have formed the mental image of..
In the southern states even today 2020 you will still catch many black, brown, white, pink, yellow, blue, green basically any and all colors and races who still today fly the Confederate flag... it's part of them, it's what is in their blood, so my question is do you call a black man with a Confederate flag racist? Just a little something to think about, there is always 3 sides to every story, Your's, Mine, and then the Truth... try looking at it for every angle before jumping to any decisions in life...
deleting a statue is not deleting history. A statue is a commendation and celebration of someone, no anti-American confederate should ever be celebrated in America. Slavery was the only reason for the war.
You must not know about slavery after slavery where are the laws put in design for Black people so that they could be arrested and me to work there were no black land owners during slavery because it was a gift a law for a black person to own land and essentially they had no rights.
@@ajsavage9585 exactly we wasn't seen as equals and it was slavery nobody is treated good in slavery
@@ajsavage9585 ... Really? You ignorant fool. Blacks could not own land? 33-35% of blacks owned black's. In SC, according to the 1860 census, Lamb Stevens was the wealthiest man in the state. He was exceedingly black. He owned 58 black slave's. He had 12 children and sold 9 of them into slavery. According to the same census, the third wealthiest man in SC was William Ellison from Statesboro SC. He to was black and owned slaves. He was a former slave who bought his, and his wife's freedom. He owned 38 slaves. He too had 12 children and sold all of them into slavery. Your ignorance is glaring...So much for a government education, or should I say a government indoctrination!
@@FalconsFanForever ...may you be comforted in your ignorance...
im a damn yankee! and i say leave the confederate statues alone!!! like my late brother told me" at least they were americans!!!!
I joined their group they are actually pretty cool they teach history lessons and do all kinds of things but the only way you can be a member is if you have confederate ancestors
That's cool but the South is still being oppressed in a very real way. Please see my videos, I'm trying to help get the South to be free of the norths corrupt regime.
Reconstruction was not southern friendly. Just bred more division even though the country was forcefully ‘United’
...not true, Anyone can join. We have Yankees, and people from all over the world in our organization.
Again, anyone can join.....
@@haroldjohnson2851 that's not true.... Not sure where you are but your ancestors had to faithfully served the Confederate states....but u can be any religion and color I'm a Muslim and we have plenty of black Americans in it! 🙂
@@sethgravley6995 ...I live near Charleston SC. We have an Iraqi, several Yankees, etc. ALL are welcome to join the Son's of Confederate Veterans....
As an European I don't understand why they want to remove monuments.
I don’t understand why people don’t understand that nobody asked to be born and they don’t know what country or family they will be born into. Stop the hate. You don’t own the planet.
lmao commander-in-chief?
I agree with this but I think he's gonna get the second term but he's no chief
I know. So ridiculous. I’m a Veteran and it made me giggle. Pathetic! 😹
@@teddygunzbarno2102 Trump has a 7% chance of winning the election.
Imagine acting in a war year after year and losing everytime.
Lmao they just can't let it go smh
It's no different than any other military vets
A monument isn't an altar, it's a history reminder, for better or worse. Foolish people.
I want to thank you for your support in keeping America alive. I am a descendent of the: 33rd Confederate under John Duff texas army, and I have been under the scope as well as my family for years. Our goal is to revamp this America & world and would like to work with your foundation. Thank you
You do realize that Vice News, the super left-wing propagandists, are the ones who posted this video, not any "foundation?"