1:40 The big problem is not that you are the rat. The big problem is that in this type of game generally at the moment you get discovered everything gather together to hunt you, even group that should attack each other.
So excited for Forever Winter. The game is clearly Early Access at the moment, but there is so much potential - especially in the hands of a team of developers who seem dedicated to not only deliver on their promises and intensions, but even more important; to be honest with their community the entire way through. Can't wait to see where this game goes! 😁
I don't know, I didn't find this game interesting. To me, you overestimate her. rather, her chances for the future. This is of course my personal opinion.
@@denistverdokhlebov3059 You can't deny the fact that the DA is on point and the dound/music is pretty good. Compared to the garbage "AAA" serve us, it's night and day. But yeah, question of taste and we can agree to disagree.
They need to remove the random voicelines that your character makes too. Like when the big thicc robot mommy is right next to you and your character goes "TANGOS INCOMING!". Just ruins the immersion that you're sneaking around
Your point about this being "incorrectly" named an early access game is not true imo. People have been condition into thinking that early access games on steam are nearly or pretty much finished games that need more content, a bit of work and finishing touches. This game finally uses that tag correctly and they have been very vocal about it not being finished, so I think it's in the right spot. I agree with hunter killers and clunky movement and stuff though, but they have plenty of time to work around that. Nice video!
I have not played this so i cant really say which this is but you will have Alphas, betas and EA and in some other regards you will have stages far before all these that isnt important to name because you will never see or play it. EA's is basically an alpha and beta. Steam labels EA as a alpha/beta, not a finished game so no idea where you get they do. AAA publishers/devs will do that, they will pre release a 'finished' game as EA so they can just slap $10-20 added to the $70-60 price and release the game a week or so early before the real release date just to profit off it, this is who you are talking about, not Steam. Most games on Steam that are in EA states in a large blue box its not finished and is in development and will be subject to change, that doesn't condition ppl thinking its a finished game and again, you are talking about AAA publishers and their scamming marketing.
@@stuart3712 Yes, this is what I mean. I think you misunderstood me. I'm not taking a shot at steam. It is the developers that have conditioned people into thinking EA means "almost finished" because the popular early access titles usually are exactly that. I'd just be disappointed if people would review this game wrongly because their view of the tag is twisted, which some have already done. Steam reviews have also kinda been losing credibility thanks to some of the situations this year.
I PLEAD with the community to give this game time. It will be special if we let the polish it up and give feedback thru the right channels and not just bitch on Reddit and write negative steam reviews….
It's amazing seeing how many people complain about the water system when it's not a permanent aspect of the game and is purely there to max stress test feedback through discord
negativity is essential in giving useful feedback, but i agree that it should be used in moderation, as opposed to fashioning said negativity into a bat to hit the devs with whenever they try to take a step forward in the development cycle
The AI is super janky right now, along with everything else. But it's actually Early Access, unlike the marketing EA that big companies put out to drive sales. I have complete faith it's going to get worked on and tightened up by the release. It's great so far. A bit unfair when things spawn right in front of you, but it'll get tuned.
they have said they are going to look at the water mechanic since i think they were a bit blindsided by how much people despise fomo mechanics. but just to note the AI isnt there to fight you specifically so if a group would clearly see you but ignores you that's because something more important near by and you aren't a threat, alot of us would like it if they borrowed from F.E.A.R in that regard with the AI doing callouts for you with that. ie "contact! its just a scav." "ignore them continue with objective" also just to note big things like tanks and mechs often ignore infantry until you shoot at them, because you are such a minor threat.
Me personally, the water feature feels like a chore that adds no value to the game. If I think "I want to play this game again", but realize my water is empty, I likely just play something else where my progress hasn't been "reset". I got enough stress irl that I don't need a game mechanic adding to that.
I'd love the water if it acted more as a, "the vendor's stock immediately resets with a higher chance for rarer gear depending on how many you give them." Part of why I love this game is how every mission is a gamble. Let me gamble with the stock my vendors have too. I need more Cryo rounds, and I have no clue where I got the ones I have, lol.
@@dogishappy0 That would be such a better choice. The game industry as whole went away from doomsday timers for very obvious reasons. Instead of it removing your progress. Making it give you more progress would be smarter and keep everyone happy.
Why not simply make the water consumption in your camp faster, but only let the clock run on playtime? You'll have the same effect of "shit, gotta go find some water!", but only when in the game. I don't really need something in the back of my head in my normal, everyday life telling me that I need to play really soon.
@@Metatr0n This. This is the answer. Playtime timer would just be the better choice considering that the devs are so insistent on making this mechanic work.
Now HK is alone most of the time. You can easily stunlock him by shooting his head constantly. But if he walks by another squad they all will hunt you together
Yes finally someone playing the way i imagined the game is supposed to be played. So many revoews had me overly worried. I can except the jank, the devs seem to really care about this game and are willing to listen. This just looks right up my alley.
For what it's worth, within TWO days of the EA going live, they'd already released two separate hotfixes. The very first one drastically changed Hunter-Killer spawn requirements and they are now not NEARLY as much of a hassle as before, even when they do spawn. This dev team is very much on the ball and making the most of this EA period to hone their game as much as possible. The community just needs to extend a bit of patience so they can cook in between updates.
Correct response tbh. Dog is one of a few units that currently have an insurmountable amount of health. Some scavs have already gone into maps specifically to kill that unit, loaded to the hilt with high-powered ammo, and have not once managed to down it.
Track 36, 'Scar of the Earth' is insanely good. It is featured in one of the trailers, the one with the US lady voiceover about the game features. Like sick dubstep acid.
The water mechanic is a deal breaker for me, which is a shame, because otherwise it looks like a great game. But threatening to take away my progession if I fail to log in regularly? Ya, no. And I don't want to have to "plan" breaks from the game and stockpile water either. I've been playing hunt on and off for 5, 6 years now. I'll play nonstop for hours a day, every day, then one day I'll wake up and not touch it for 6 months. I likely wouldn't have come back if I was reset to prestige zero or lost all items
@@АндрейВиноградов-з5о but that's my point. I don't want to "have" to play once a week, or once a month, or any of that. A game should never require me to regularly check in and do chores for it or it will punish me. That's absurd
@@Striker1246 you don't have to play it all, and if you never encountered this mechanic in other games doesn't mean it's bad or something. If you don't play game more than 55 days straight, why do you need it all? And if no longer want to, then why bother whenever you lost gear or not?
@@АндрейВиноградов-з5о the game is requiring that you log in and take some action on a regular basis or it's going to take your progression away. It would be like if Hunt deleted your hunters if you didn't log in once a week. Game mechanics are supposed to enhance the game, to make it better. How does requiring me to log in regularly with the threat of damaging my progression enhance my experience? It clearly doesn't. Mechanics like this are just a cheap way to force user engagement with a product in order to sell you more stuff via micro transactions. It's irritating enough with battle passes, where you're forfeiting cosmetics if you don't log in and play regularly over a certain period (cosmetics you already paid for, by the way). To threaten to take away progression for not logging in is just gross. If the mechanic doesn't bother you, more power to you (though again, game mechanics should enhance the experience. It shouldn't be about whether they're actively negative vs neutral). But I for one will never buy a game with a mechanic like this in it
I actually disagree I think the game is far better than I was expecting given the early access label. I have been having an absolute blast and most of the issues are minimal compared to my enjoyment. There are sooo many areas of improvement, but I just look forward to the improvements rather than letting the flaws ruin the game.
I think GTFO fan will like this game. I try GTFO on free weekend and I don't like it enough to buy it. maybe this game atmosphere can carry it to my steam cart lol.
As reminder! The game developers did not want to release the game in such an early state. But the community insisted, thus the lack of polish. Were 15 months from the original release date. We've been given access to the beta essentially
@@Rebazar correct. There was a lot of commotion to put the game in early access by the community. I worded my comment incorrectly- I wanted people to know that the game is in an alpha state. So reviewing it now is somewhat irrelevant due to the fact that all of the games performance and bugs will *hopefully* be fixed in a few weeks. Again, the game is in early access 15 months before the original release date
@5:30 Its not that the water is hard to get. its the fact they technically don't allow you to ever log out? Like got to go away for work for a week or go on vacation and now when i return all i worked for is gone... Or if your like me and most gamers today you probably play more than one game... The fact I would always have to restart or stock pile because i wanted to play something different for a week or two is a big nope for me. But your not wrong, amazing looking game and going in a good direction.
Making me wipe when i decide to take a break because lets be honest its going to happen. There are so many great games that come out and likely back to back so I'm not going to return to somethings after a decent amount of time. It makes me not want to play to start with because of that
If I take a break from a loot-based game and forget the controls, I normally start over and play from scratch anyways. This mechanic just does the work for me.
@@Hiromashi1234 "just go "oh right" one day and top off again in like 2 days of decent raiding" But when I want to play a game, I want to play a game and not "Gotta do the water level 10 times in a row so that I'm safe for the next 3 months". It's just a shitty decision to keep the day-to-day player number up. The result is devs and stakeholders who pat themselves on the back because the game is in the Steam top 20 based on player count but in reality it's just 20,000 players doing the water map over and over.
One thing I see other people saying and I want to really echo here is that this game was NOT ready for early access and the devs knew that. But they made the choice because the community wanted it so bad. So it definitely needs more than some polish...it needs time and attention and the devs have been giving it all the attention they can so far. So all we need is to give them the time.
First run through with a hunter killer was after I smoked 15 Eurasians with an RPK and Shotgun. The dog beast thing caught up to me and ripped my head off and humbled me somewhat.
If they put work in the points you brought up, this will be a great game. Musical greetings from Belgium, Gunther (singer and lyrics writer of Gabriel Scar)
I'm completely with you on the movement and stealth mechanics issues, also hunter killers... they could keep them, but make the mechanic more reasonable and linked to actually valuable loot only, which they can track, like certain tech or intel items etc., not just value in your rack. Also if you drop that loot, which triggered them, they could lose their tracking ability, so you have a chance to get rid of them. Also if you are playing solo you should be able to avoid them, by choosing what you take. Make it more high risk high reward, but you can choose the risk... right now the HKs feel very random and also break the "you're the unimportant stealthy rat" idea... Also it would make team play more lucrative, because you can take them on and solo is more like for water and small stuff.. maintenance runs. in team you go for the big loot... something like that. One thing to add though: They need to make the pick up time for downed mates longer... 30s is just way to low... also you need some time, like 3s or so to actually pick someone up and their timer still runs, so it is actually just 27s... I loved the feel of GTFO where everybody could be down and one guy had to save the day, which was hard, but they actually had a chance. With the 30s timer, team play is really diminished. They could make the timer longer, or alternatively give you like one or two lives without a timer, but when you're down the 3rd time you're really out. That would up the stakes and also put more emphasis on the team play, I think...
The way I see it, Hunter Killer thing is supposed to be like a Climax of the mission where you have to sacrifice caution for speed or get locked in combat until you run out of ammo. Nice idea, just needs more adjustment.
about the Hunter killers. They apper to be random when they spawn. I've had it from the first bit of loot to near the extract. My guess is if Europans die a certain amount or a drone sees you messing with their things they spawn. But reguardless unless devs answer it they shall remain a mystery. As for Co-op me and my group don't really take unless there is no other option. Nor do we stick around long enough for wave 2 to show. Like the Trailers said "Not Every battle is one worth fighting. Only kill what you can loot and get away with. Every time you open fire you're ringing the dinnerbell. Make it worth it" And " There are no heroes here. Only men and women running around in the dark with half empty magazines . . Forever "
Canr stress this enough. Only reason this game got released is cause devs caved to the community. Unfortunately its in a ruff state that being HK spawns snd the such... even water mechanic its all so basic atm. Again the devs caved honestly this gsme shouldn't be on market im happy it is but they the people are complaining about something they wantedd.. the devs should have waited imo.. im absolutely loving it and have no complaints but im 30 now and a simple man unlike alot clearly. You have a great review btw thanks for your opinion 🤘💀🤘
The game is somewhat of alpha version at best. 100% agree with this dude. Excellent vibe, postapo world and design of everything overal and omg the music! Ofc the gameplay itself is rather barebones and plagued with tons of bugs and unfinished features. Also at times you go to the raid only to run to extract 3 minutes later. So I'm kinda unsure if there is room for some lengthy raids where you could complete some more complex quests. I mean atm the gameplay is simply barebones as you go in, try to grab a thing or two and then run to the nearest extract. I want to believe that later on the game will provide something more.
Thing about these games is ill get early access and then play it a lot. Then when theyve fixed things and it actually releases ive moved on most of the time. Rarely does a early access game bring me back a year later. Think im gonna wait , love the esthetics tho.
Also the water issue is not an issue at all like some people are complaining. In 6 hours I already collected 25 days worth of water. I think this is another difference in ownership belief like when Once Human was having a periodic server wipe.
Not a problem as long as you play again within 26 days lol. It bugs me, but not that much. I don't mind restarting the innards progress too much, but I wouldn't mind if the water mechanic left.
Kinda dumb that the Hunter killers just magically know that you picked up some trash and also magically know where you are at all times? The counter for water ticking down while you are not playing is dumb, I got a job and sometimes dont play games for a while. The devs are all like oh no battlepass but then add even worse fomo in the game?
I found some weapon tech in one game and it immediately spawned the Hunters. So the next time I saw it in the wild I intentionally did not pick it up... only to have them spawn anyway. The 10k at the vendor was nice... but I would have had a bigger haul if I didn't need to immediately book it for the extraction.
It’s not a big deal. People saying just 2-3 hours of playtime gets you like 2 weeks of water. Meaning as long as you play around 6 hours a month, you’re gucci
The game is like pre alpha honestly, they released the game hyper early because the community requested it. It definitely beeds more time to cook, but you need to understand what you are getting into right now. HOWEVER, I think this approach is the best thing Fun Dog can do. This allows them to actively communicate with the community through the game itself, instead of through blog posts. They can fine tune the game as development goes on, but knowing what the community likes and dislikes holds no weight if they never played the game. Too many people now a days complain about mechanics they never interacted with because they think they wouldnt like it, which is a wild entitlement.
Thanks for the first impressions. I like the team, they sound cool. The whole idea, the environment and the enemy designs look really good, and the gameplay sounds interesting on paper. I hope it will be a success.
If you don't like the water system, this game might not be for you. which is okay, completely understandable. This is something the devs believe too "a game for everyone is a game for no one"
It's not getting the water that's the problem. It's me having a life, and there are periods where I cannot play the game all the time, and I don't want to have to Max out the water so I can go on a holiday or on a work trip or just go and do shit I need to do and be punished for not grinding constantly
I'd say if you really try you can get 30+ water in 1 day, so hitting the cap takes a little less then 2 days (unless you upgrade to 80 days of storage then a little less than 3). It's not a huge or constant grind honestly.
@@christiankirkenes5922 It's mostly a replacement for the Seasonal system so they don't need to reset everyone every 3 months like other extraction shooters. It's instead based on interest.
For the hunter killers (it just got updated and they changed the triggers) but for the first days the triggers were quest items. The thing is most of the quest items were also high value items wich made more people think the value was the trigger. Also the number of box opened was a trigger, the big problem with it was you could open and close the same box and it would trigger them. And about losing them you could run away and get them to fight eurasians (the tanks are the best for it as they take a long time to get through) Another thing the game is actually not necesserly a stealth game as I've been mostly walking around and not crouching or stealthing as much even going as far as walking along some patrols and as long as your gun are not too threatening they most of the times leaves you alone (except the sniper that enjoy shooting randomly at you) Also one big thing is how rough the gameplay is contrast with how polished the weapon presets and gear menus are all that is missing is a loadout for your whole character and then this will be insanely fast to get out drop your gear and go back in.
Ohh yeah, a loadout system would really help. They already have the vestigial bits of that in the saved weapon part configurations, so I bet it'll come with time.
I've only had time to play 2 rounds besides the tutorial and that is my experience as well. I've gotten aggro'd and lost them, never fired back yet, extracted both times with loot. I think people are underestimating the "you're not the main character" aspect and thinking they can shoot squads then just hide for 10 sec with no repercussions.
They will most certainly aggro you, but only if they don't have something else to do. If their buddies are engaged with hostiles and the squad of troopers are on their way to the firefight, they'll ignore you. But if there's nothing that has their attention, and they see you, then YOU will have their attention.
nah nah. it’s still EA, need improvements and tweaking. currently i’d say it’s bugged coz the spawn seems inconsistent. although, i definitely spawned them by being way too aggressive when trying to kill several squads preventing access to extract.
@@Cobaltz246 I thought if you killed enough of certain enemies then more forces from that faction would be deployed to the area, I didn’t think they’d have a system like no man sky sentinels just appearing out of nowhere to kill you ffs
@@Bishop1664 technically they gotta come from somewhere regardless. However the distance of how close they spawn is sketch, can just be within your line of sight even which is kinda bad. Good thing it's an EA and will be tweaked.
PSA: hunter killers spawn usually due to you picking up certain high value items such as intel or weapon parts (not to be confused with parts you can utilize or destroyed weapons, but the object that looks like a fancy mortar tube) These items usually sell for 6-10k credits but typically get hunter killers on you immediately
i mean the water mechanic sounds kinda mehh.. but really i dig the idea of a PVE extraction shooter. i always wanted to try those but i am not a huge pvp fan. question is in this game then whats the long term motivation if you just kill AI. but i think for a couple of hours now its looks fun
They do plan to expand the water thingy more and by the announcement they're incorporating some ideas from discord for it, I sure saw some interesting ideas on there that aren't just straight up disabling the mechanic, which I think the devs would feel fine with. Who knows, if they done it well, could open this game up for more people without going against the core/lore.
Dont do early access, but game shows promise, especially the trailers w narration. The rig backpacks look stupid and too bulky taking up a third of your screen at times. Ill check it out if it full releases
They need to change the water timer feature to only consume when you are on but make the timer cap far lower. like playing for 1h of water farming can get you enough water to last you the whole in real time day or something like that so this way you can play on and off without punishment unlike now how the devs tells you how little you can play or they will reset all your progress if you dont play. This is why i wont buy it because im not going to be told how much i can or cant play or i lose my time spent, its too much like jobs irl forcing ppl to work or be fired. "oh sorry... your pc died and you cant afford a new pc in 30-60 days? sorry, your 300 hours of progress is LOST!!!!!" F that....
The idea behind the water is alarming but not a big deal unless it hits zero. What’s the logic behind losing your stash at zero but not character progress? Stash should not expire. Losing access to additional functions makes sense though. Less people to run the place. I think of it like “you’ve been gone a long time. Everyone left but your stash is still there.” And no, they didn’t just loot your stuff. It’s a stash, implied it’s hidden.
What made me refund was the “random patrols” always knowing where your at and B line it to you. Can’t tell you how many times I will be in a random dark corner or in a vent and a patrol just B lines it to me and kills me instantly 🤦♂️. Graphics are good they just forgot about you know making the gameplay good.
This Is the only game I have ever refunded. Its cool. But I was constantly asking myself "am I having fun?" Then you think about the gameplay loop.. hella rough. All my extracts were carbon copies of each other.
Can you not kill those large enemies? One thing that stands out for me that needs some massive improvements are character animations. They look...horrible and for some people it may not be a big deal but for me personally, I can't get into games that have horrible animations, especially 3rd person since you see your character all the time. The inventory UI system needs some love. It looks clunky and bad. The setting and scale of everything looks awesome. Definitely watching this one as it looks fun.
water machenic sounds weird. Most shooter games tend to have some kind of packs, reward, supply for return players, that's normally how to keep the business running. For players who reinstall the game after a few months, just want to have some fun, but have to start from ground zero and suffered, does not sound fun.
Yeah, that water thing means i'm out. I'm sick of games not respecting my time, This game has so much disrespect that it will literally erase your progress (your time) if you don't give it more... NOPE
They have, thankfully, massively altered what summons hunter killers. It takes you being an enormous fucker or stealing something actually major to summon them, now. So picking up a photo album no longer marks you for death.
Game looks like it needs more time. Also, what's the end-game about? I feel that a game where you're just a rat scavenging for equipment can fall apart real fast if gathering all that equipment doesn't culminate to something major. Awesome setting, concept and atmosphere tho; will keep an eye on it.
This game is incredible, and from what I'm seeing, the devs have their hearts in the right place. Big issue is performance however hunt had much of the same problem, the hunter killer needs to have a much smaller timer also making sure they never break the flow of the game being more stealth like that they need to make sure not to break that element. I'll let it cook a bit more excited to see where this goes. But the thing I love seeing is how much these guys are gamers themselves listening to there philosophy on the game so if they take In good feedback I think this game will be a massive success just needs more time in the kitchen. P.s. I had to add this, "Damn Boi, she thicc."
i like the sounds of this game, however i work a job where i am gone, literally hundreds of miles away from my computer for a week at a time. so i cant get it because that would mean on my week off i have to get twice the amount of water. I think water should be a resource that is consumed by certain upgrades or DOING something, so it only effects you when you play.
haven't played the game but hate the idea of the water mechanic ticking down in real time. it's like an infinitely worse daily login reward, where instead of rewarding you for playing the game regularly, you are actively punished if you are not consistently logging in. that is enough for me to have no interest whatsoever in playing the game. i have a lot of games and i enjoy being able to play whatever i want to play at that time without feeling like i have to play a certain game or i will miss out (such as limited time events which require consistently playing the game during that time)
Damn. I've been really excited about this game for a while, but a mechanic that forces you to play within a certain period of time or lose your stuff is pretty greasy. If you buy a game you should be able to put it aside for 6 months and come back without a penalty.
If they polish the game a lot and tweak the issues you brought up I think this game has a ton of potential! It’s everything I love dark,third person and has looter and survival element. I hope the devs will listen to the community and make the appropriate changes!
Wait what? The water runs out when you are not playing? Ok thats me gone. I have kids and get to play once in a while, so I cant be firced to go in and look for water. Damn this sucks. I really liked the game.
Fuck yeah, solid vid. I agree, it feels alpha. I picked it up to support the devs, I want to see this bake in the oven another year before I invest more time I think. Art and vibes are super cool! Appreciate you doing reviews for weird games like this.
Idk why so many people complain about water literally go to ashen mesa in the elevated house I've found up to 4 spawns quit whining and just play the game plan your route accordingly.
the ost is very hit or miss. im kinda disappointed. the song writer sure likes whammy pedal :D like some of the songs are great. some of them break the tone of the game completely. anyway nice vid Mr. Streamer.
The water mechanic is a dealbreaker for me, i was looking forward to the game but i will not buy or play a game that forces me to play it in regular intervals. It is unneccessary and an awful design decision.
"Somewhere there's this huge goth chick." hmm where about exactly? asking for a friend. On a serious note the music that kicks in at 10:30 with this environment just wow.
in the food chain of the game you are not a combatant in the food chain you are around the level of a cockroach, the infantry are the rats. as for the hunter killer thing I think its a bug (unless your picking up high profile items like data boxes, cause there are items out there that if you grab it by accident it calls hunter killers but they sell for a good ammount)
Rust was a very early access game, look where it got to. With the right support I know this game will be great and I'm excited for the future of this project.
maybe they implemented the water system to make sure people played the game. But it would make no sense if this was a mechanic in the final game. it should at least have a system where the clock stops ticking if you don't play for three days or something.
They said with friends everyone needs to close the game except for whoever is the host and once they send the invite link the game should boot up and automatically put yall in their game
If you like playing stealth scavenger in hunt, where you basically just watch others kill one another and PvE, then you might really like this since it looks like it's going to be a fair bet of sneaking and observing. Also it's more than just stealth, if you're seen it's not game over, the AI will assess your entire "deal" and decide what to do. If you're a small character with a tiny pistol and no armor, chances are the AI will go "Just some scav digging through the dirt, ignore them." HOWEVER, if you're a big guy heavily armed with good armor, the AI will go "This guy's gonna be a problem, better deal with him." they seem to drop chase faster if you don't shoot, you can lure both factions to a location by firing a shot off in the air so everyone can hear it. You can use one faction that doesn't care about you as a way to deal with another actively trying to kill you, for example you can actively run in front of a tank if you don't look like a threat, while being chased by hunter killers and the tank will shoot them while ignoring you, if they're not on the same side. So there's also this element of understanding the characters and understanding what you can do to impact a situation in your favor without even killing anyone with your guns. I've heard some people call the AI blind. Because they'll look right at them from somewhere close and do nothing about it. That's not the case, they saw you, they stopped and looked, they just didn't care, you can apparently get domed from Narnia by a mech so don't think the AI is blind as much as it just doesn't care you exist until you make it an issue. As for hunter killers, to my understanding, they are sent after you when you've officially made a nuisance of your self and they are now sending something to deal with you. Take something of high value from a secure container, pick up something with a tracker on it, get seen killing a bunch of their faction and they'll take you more seriously, UAVs can also tell regular soldiers that aren't hunter killers where you are after you've done any of that stuff from what I recall hearing. I do agree, they shouldn't always know where you are, unless you get spotted by a UAV or still have a tracked item in your inventory, might be something they'll have to rework along with timed exits so there's always a quiet exit on the same level at all times, so you can decide if you want to risk getting gunned down for using a timed exit in a "trespassing" zone that alerts everything around you or have to walk further for a safe exit.
I am not a fan of the character's voice lines. They feel out of place. Does not seem helpful when trying to hide. It would make sense to me if they are thoughts of internal dialog.
Thanks for the video on this one. Very interested, but gonna give it some more time in the oven before I commit. Would appreciate it if you decide to do the occasional update on this one.
7 hours in takes me 6min to get water and out. Hunter killers will spawn if you sit around for too long or loot specific gear. I have yet to have a hunter killer spawn for water though.
As a fellow dad gamer I can definitely say the water mechanic is not an issue at all. You can get multiple days of water in an hour even with the starting rig.
ya thats what I was worried about seeing the reviews...between long work days and ALL the other games Im playing, (and the fact this year ive alreay had TWO instances of loosing my internet for a week cuz of world events) I really didnt want to lose everything because I had to take a break, by choice or otherwise.
For me, it's not an issue about whether it is feasible or not. I don't think it's right for a game you paid for to penalize you for not playing for a while.
@@jeremiahsafford1389 Yeah the existence of a real-world clock that causes in-game penalties of any kind is just an issue. This kind of thing inherently disrespects a player's time. As a counterpoint to it being easy to deal with, why then does it even exist?
From my playthroughs the hunterkillers didnt come when I picked up water but when i got noticed? But the hunter killers still didnt know my location. They just started entering the map. I would be curious to hear from other players perspective. I'm loving this
Yes, you can avoid them if you're fast and avoid detection. Usually they know exactly where you are though. Scramblers are easier to avoid and lose. HK's, not so much. HK's are triggered by looting certain objects. There is a list on the Steam Community posts on the game page.
Usually they come from looting high value stuff in my playthroughs - also sometimes they instant bum rush you other times it takes some time, but they will come for you.
@@thefinegameofnil7158 the game being early access means nothing in its favor especially recently. this is literally how all games that turn into scams start a half built early access that they sell for a high price for what it is then they realize they already have the money and sales dip off so it stays in early access limbo for ever. just because you have no pattern recognition doesn't make him a copy past console slop game enjoyer lmao.
@@dylangreen9542 To cite another comment from this section: "As a reminder! The game developers did not want to release the game in such an early state. But the community insisted, thus the lack of polish. We're 15 months from the original planned release date. We've been given access to the beta essentially" ..
@@DatsWhatHeSaid as the owner of a product you need to be resistant to such peer pressure, you only get one chance to form a good impression and right now that impression is "mixed" for a while overwatch and early darktide was mixed and it impacted sales horribly.
Hope you enjoyed todays video 👍
1:40 The big problem is not that you are the rat.
The big problem is that in this type of game generally at the moment you get discovered everything gather together to hunt you, even group that should attack each other.
starts video: Sees Horrific Anomaly Winter Monster.
Monster Turns around: DAMN SHE THICC!!!
15:18 👏
So excited for Forever Winter. The game is clearly Early Access at the moment, but there is so much potential - especially in the hands of a team of developers who seem dedicated to not only deliver on their promises and intensions, but even more important; to be honest with their community the entire way through.
Can't wait to see where this game goes! 😁
I don't know, I didn't find this game interesting. To me, you overestimate her. rather, her chances for the future. This is of course my personal opinion.
@@denistverdokhlebov3059 You can't deny the fact that the DA is on point and the dound/music is pretty good. Compared to the garbage "AAA" serve us, it's night and day. But yeah, question of taste and we can agree to disagree.
Cookie cutter post
In the dumpster lmao, enjoy crouching simulator. It's death stranding with less mechanics 😂
They need to remove the random voicelines that your character makes too. Like when the big thicc robot mommy is right next to you and your character goes "TANGOS INCOMING!". Just ruins the immersion that you're sneaking around
tbh, make it whispering if not being directly fired at
That’s why I like shaman,he says everything in whisper 😂
Ghost is down bad frfr and had to catch a glimpse of the Harvester’s cheeks in the first minute 😂
"Hear me out"
@@shift_del3te249no… don’t you dare.
I'm listening...
I feel like the deed is better done, with the lights off with this one.
R34 artist will have a blast
Your point about this being "incorrectly" named an early access game is not true imo. People have been condition into thinking that early access games on steam are nearly or pretty much finished games that need more content, a bit of work and finishing touches. This game finally uses that tag correctly and they have been very vocal about it not being finished, so I think it's in the right spot. I agree with hunter killers and clunky movement and stuff though, but they have plenty of time to work around that. Nice video!
I have not played this so i cant really say which this is but you will have Alphas, betas and EA and in some other regards you will have stages far before all these that isnt important to name because you will never see or play it. EA's is basically an alpha and beta. Steam labels EA as a alpha/beta, not a finished game so no idea where you get they do. AAA publishers/devs will do that, they will pre release a 'finished' game as EA so they can just slap $10-20 added to the $70-60 price and release the game a week or so early before the real release date just to profit off it, this is who you are talking about, not Steam. Most games on Steam that are in EA states in a large blue box its not finished and is in development and will be subject to change, that doesn't condition ppl thinking its a finished game and again, you are talking about AAA publishers and their scamming marketing.
@@stuart3712 Yes, this is what I mean. I think you misunderstood me. I'm not taking a shot at steam. It is the developers that have conditioned people into thinking EA means "almost finished" because the popular early access titles usually are exactly that. I'd just be disappointed if people would review this game wrongly because their view of the tag is twisted, which some have already done. Steam reviews have also kinda been losing credibility thanks to some of the situations this year.
I PLEAD with the community to give this game time. It will be special if we let the polish it up and give feedback thru the right channels and not just bitch on Reddit and write negative steam reviews….
It's amazing seeing how many people complain about the water system when it's not a permanent aspect of the game and is purely there to max stress test feedback through discord
Requiring people to not whine over nothing? We're doomed
Bad reviews on steam, and move on. Enjoy crouching though, lmao - super immersion 😂
negativity is essential in giving useful feedback, but i agree that it should be used in moderation, as opposed to fashioning said negativity into a bat to hit the devs with whenever they try to take a step forward in the development cycle
Nah this intro will make me buy the game😂
The AI is super janky right now, along with everything else. But it's actually Early Access, unlike the marketing EA that big companies put out to drive sales. I have complete faith it's going to get worked on and tightened up by the release.
It's great so far. A bit unfair when things spawn right in front of you, but it'll get tuned.
they have said they are going to look at the water mechanic since i think they were a bit blindsided by how much people despise fomo mechanics.
but just to note the AI isnt there to fight you specifically so if a group would clearly see you but ignores you that's because something more important near by and you aren't a threat, alot of us would like it if they borrowed from F.E.A.R in that regard with the AI doing callouts for you with that. ie "contact! its just a scav." "ignore them continue with objective"
also just to note big things like tanks and mechs often ignore infantry until you shoot at them, because you are such a minor threat.
That harvestor model is INSANE, very creative female mech with a horrifying twist
Why do people keep calling it the Harvester? It has a name.
@@grimgrahamch.4157 Probably because it collects bodies
@@grimgrahamch.4157 Isnt it something like Toothy?
@@NikolaiMihailov1 that’s the giant mech
@@NikolaiMihailov1toothy is a different one with the cloak made of body bags. This one is named Mother Courage
Me personally, the water feature feels like a chore that adds no value to the game. If I think "I want to play this game again", but realize my water is empty, I likely just play something else where my progress hasn't been "reset". I got enough stress irl that I don't need a game mechanic adding to that.
I'd love the water if it acted more as a, "the vendor's stock immediately resets with a higher chance for rarer gear depending on how many you give them."
Part of why I love this game is how every mission is a gamble. Let me gamble with the stock my vendors have too. I need more Cryo rounds, and I have no clue where I got the ones I have, lol.
How come people froth wipes on other extraction shooters and survival games?
@@dogishappy0 That would be such a better choice. The game industry as whole went away from doomsday timers for very obvious reasons. Instead of it removing your progress. Making it give you more progress would be smarter and keep everyone happy.
Why not simply make the water consumption in your camp faster, but only let the clock run on playtime? You'll have the same effect of "shit, gotta go find some water!", but only when in the game. I don't really need something in the back of my head in my normal, everyday life telling me that I need to play really soon.
@@Metatr0n This. This is the answer. Playtime timer would just be the better choice considering that the devs are so insistent on making this mechanic work.
Luckily in one of the hot fixes they've patched how HK squads work. The mechanic is is a lot more forgiving now.
Now HK is alone most of the time. You can easily stunlock him by shooting his head constantly. But if he walks by another squad they all will hunt you together
They nailed the atmosphere and visuals of this game. As, I described it to a buddy, "It's not a looter shooter. It's a looter pants-pooper."
Yes finally someone playing the way i imagined the game is supposed to be played. So many revoews had me overly worried. I can except the jank, the devs seem to really care about this game and are willing to listen. This just looks right up my alley.
For what it's worth, within TWO days of the EA going live, they'd already released two separate hotfixes. The very first one drastically changed Hunter-Killer spawn requirements and they are now not NEARLY as much of a hassle as before, even when they do spawn. This dev team is very much on the ball and making the most of this EA period to hone their game as much as possible. The community just needs to extend a bit of patience so they can cook in between updates.
"As a team you can actually fight".
*Dog*
"OH MY GOD RUN!"
Correct response tbh. Dog is one of a few units that currently have an insurmountable amount of health. Some scavs have already gone into maps specifically to kill that unit, loaded to the hilt with high-powered ammo, and have not once managed to down it.
You weren't kidding about the OST - damn!
Track 36, 'Scar of the Earth' is insanely good. It is featured in one of the trailers, the one with the US lady voiceover about the game features. Like sick dubstep acid.
It's on par with Darktide's OST, imo
The water mechanic is a deal breaker for me, which is a shame, because otherwise it looks like a great game. But threatening to take away my progession if I fail to log in regularly? Ya, no. And I don't want to have to "plan" breaks from the game and stockpile water either. I've been playing hunt on and off for 5, 6 years now. I'll play nonstop for hours a day, every day, then one day I'll wake up and not touch it for 6 months. I likely wouldn't have come back if I was reset to prestige zero or lost all items
Yeah hopefully they will remove it at launch.
You can loot like 20 days in water kegs, for a 2-3 hrs of gameplay. You can literraly play once a week and it wont run out.
@@АндрейВиноградов-з5о but that's my point. I don't want to "have" to play once a week, or once a month, or any of that. A game should never require me to regularly check in and do chores for it or it will punish me. That's absurd
@@Striker1246 you don't have to play it all, and if you never encountered this mechanic in other games doesn't mean it's bad or something. If you don't play game more than 55 days straight, why do you need it all? And if no longer want to, then why bother whenever you lost gear or not?
@@АндрейВиноградов-з5о the game is requiring that you log in and take some action on a regular basis or it's going to take your progression away. It would be like if Hunt deleted your hunters if you didn't log in once a week.
Game mechanics are supposed to enhance the game, to make it better. How does requiring me to log in regularly with the threat of damaging my progression enhance my experience? It clearly doesn't. Mechanics like this are just a cheap way to force user engagement with a product in order to sell you more stuff via micro transactions. It's irritating enough with battle passes, where you're forfeiting cosmetics if you don't log in and play regularly over a certain period (cosmetics you already paid for, by the way). To threaten to take away progression for not logging in is just gross.
If the mechanic doesn't bother you, more power to you (though again, game mechanics should enhance the experience. It shouldn't be about whether they're actively negative vs neutral). But I for one will never buy a game with a mechanic like this in it
I actually disagree I think the game is far better than I was expecting given the early access label. I have been having an absolute blast and most of the issues are minimal compared to my enjoyment. There are sooo many areas of improvement, but I just look forward to the improvements rather than letting the flaws ruin the game.
At least someone does, lmao - hopefully the 12 of you keep it going! 😂
I think GTFO fan will like this game. I try GTFO on free weekend and I don't like it enough to buy it. maybe this game atmosphere can carry it to my steam cart lol.
GTFO and this game are really different though. i wouldn’t compare them :D
there will be a demo in october so try it then and decide
As reminder! The game developers did not want to release the game in such an early state. But the community insisted, thus the lack of polish.
Were 15 months from the original release date. We've been given access to the beta essentially
you mean we bought our way in ;D
We call that poor judgment.
Weird narrative. It's an indie game, no publisher made them release it this early
@@Rebazar correct. There was a lot of commotion to put the game in early access by the community. I worded my comment incorrectly- I wanted people to know that the game is in an alpha state. So reviewing it now is somewhat irrelevant due to the fact that all of the games performance and bugs will *hopefully* be fixed in a few weeks. Again, the game is in early access 15 months before the original release date
@5:30 Its not that the water is hard to get. its the fact they technically don't allow you to ever log out? Like got to go away for work for a week or go on vacation and now when i return all i worked for is gone... Or if your like me and most gamers today you probably play more than one game... The fact I would always have to restart or stock pile because i wanted to play something different for a week or two is a big nope for me. But your not wrong, amazing looking game and going in a good direction.
A 55 day vacation?
I wish.
In what world is you taking 2+ months of vacation?
Making me wipe when i decide to take a break because lets be honest its going to happen. There are so many great games that come out and likely back to back so I'm not going to return to somethings after a decent amount of time. It makes me not want to play to start with because of that
If you top off you get like 3 months of water, could just go "oh right" one day and top off again in like 2 days of decent raiding
If I take a break from a loot-based game and forget the controls, I normally start over and play from scratch anyways. This mechanic just does the work for me.
@@Hiromashi1234 "just go "oh right" one day and top off again in like 2 days of decent raiding"
But when I want to play a game, I want to play a game and not "Gotta do the water level 10 times in a row so that I'm safe for the next 3 months". It's just a shitty decision to keep the day-to-day player number up. The result is devs and stakeholders who pat themselves on the back because the game is in the Steam top 20 based on player count but in reality it's just 20,000 players doing the water map over and over.
One thing I see other people saying and I want to really echo here is that this game was NOT ready for early access and the devs knew that. But they made the choice because the community wanted it so bad. So it definitely needs more than some polish...it needs time and attention and the devs have been giving it all the attention they can so far. So all we need is to give them the time.
First run through with a hunter killer was after I smoked 15 Eurasians with an RPK and Shotgun. The dog beast thing caught up to me and ripped my head off and humbled me somewhat.
0:21 Not regretting the flashlight anymore hahaha.
If they put work in the points you brought up, this will be a great game. Musical greetings from Belgium, Gunther (singer and lyrics writer of Gabriel Scar)
I'm completely with you on the movement and stealth mechanics issues, also hunter killers... they could keep them, but make the mechanic more reasonable and linked to actually valuable loot only, which they can track, like certain tech or intel items etc., not just value in your rack. Also if you drop that loot, which triggered them, they could lose their tracking ability, so you have a chance to get rid of them. Also if you are playing solo you should be able to avoid them, by choosing what you take. Make it more high risk high reward, but you can choose the risk... right now the HKs feel very random and also break the "you're the unimportant stealthy rat" idea...
Also it would make team play more lucrative, because you can take them on and solo is more like for water and small stuff.. maintenance runs. in team you go for the big loot... something like that.
One thing to add though: They need to make the pick up time for downed mates longer... 30s is just way to low... also you need some time, like 3s or so to actually pick someone up and their timer still runs, so it is actually just 27s... I loved the feel of GTFO where everybody could be down and one guy had to save the day, which was hard, but they actually had a chance. With the 30s timer, team play is really diminished.
They could make the timer longer, or alternatively give you like one or two lives without a timer, but when you're down the 3rd time you're really out. That would up the stakes and also put more emphasis on the team play, I think...
I'm so glad you are playing this!! It's an amazing game that I'm excited to see grow
The way I see it, Hunter Killer thing is supposed to be like a Climax of the mission where you have to sacrifice caution for speed or get locked in combat until you run out of ammo. Nice idea, just needs more adjustment.
about the Hunter killers. They apper to be random when they spawn. I've had it from the first bit of loot to near the extract. My guess is if Europans die a certain amount or a drone sees you messing with their things they spawn. But reguardless unless devs answer it they shall remain a mystery.
As for Co-op me and my group don't really take unless there is no other option. Nor do we stick around long enough for wave 2 to show.
Like the Trailers said "Not Every battle is one worth fighting. Only kill what you can loot and get away with. Every time you open fire you're ringing the dinnerbell. Make it worth it"
And " There are no heroes here. Only men and women running around in the dark with half empty magazines . . Forever "
Canr stress this enough. Only reason this game got released is cause devs caved to the community. Unfortunately its in a ruff state that being HK spawns snd the such... even water mechanic its all so basic atm. Again the devs caved honestly this gsme shouldn't be on market im happy it is but they the people are complaining about something they wantedd.. the devs should have waited imo.. im absolutely loving it and have no complaints but im 30 now and a simple man unlike alot clearly. You have a great review btw thanks for your opinion 🤘💀🤘
fun dog put all their points into the map design 🤣🤣
The game is somewhat of alpha version at best. 100% agree with this dude. Excellent vibe, postapo world and design of everything overal and omg the music! Ofc the gameplay itself is rather barebones and plagued with tons of bugs and unfinished features. Also at times you go to the raid only to run to extract 3 minutes later. So I'm kinda unsure if there is room for some lengthy raids where you could complete some more complex quests. I mean atm the gameplay is simply barebones as you go in, try to grab a thing or two and then run to the nearest extract. I want to believe that later on the game will provide something more.
Thing about these games is ill get early access and then play it a lot. Then when theyve fixed things and it actually releases ive moved on most of the time. Rarely does a early access game bring me back a year later. Think im gonna wait , love the esthetics tho.
Not a bad idea, I have a friend like that. Good on you for knowing yourself, the game is going to be worth the wait.
Also the water issue is not an issue at all like some people are complaining. In 6 hours I already collected 25 days worth of water. I think this is another difference in ownership belief like when Once Human was having a periodic server wipe.
Not a problem as long as you play again within 26 days lol. It bugs me, but not that much. I don't mind restarting the innards progress too much, but I wouldn't mind if the water mechanic left.
Kinda dumb that the Hunter killers just magically know that you picked up some trash and also magically know where you are at all times?
The counter for water ticking down while you are not playing is dumb, I got a job and sometimes dont play games for a while. The devs are all like oh no battlepass but then add even worse fomo in the game?
I found some weapon tech in one game and it immediately spawned the Hunters. So the next time I saw it in the wild I intentionally did not pick it up... only to have them spawn anyway. The 10k at the vendor was nice... but I would have had a bigger haul if I didn't need to immediately book it for the extraction.
It’s not a big deal. People saying just 2-3 hours of playtime gets you like 2 weeks of water. Meaning as long as you play around 6 hours a month, you’re gucci
@@sempiternalized so... if it matters so little..... why is it a mechanic?
When it comes to sprinting, you have to be mindful of your weight as it will cause you to have to ramp up to your full speed.
i dont play on their schedule sorry , water mech is a deal breaker sorry i dont want other games thinking this is ok
Being the rat is rather compelling to me. I will give this a try.
The game is like pre alpha honestly, they released the game hyper early because the community requested it. It definitely beeds more time to cook, but you need to understand what you are getting into right now.
HOWEVER, I think this approach is the best thing Fun Dog can do. This allows them to actively communicate with the community through the game itself, instead of through blog posts.
They can fine tune the game as development goes on, but knowing what the community likes and dislikes holds no weight if they never played the game. Too many people now a days complain about mechanics they never interacted with because they think they wouldnt like it, which is a wild entitlement.
lets hope this game does a forest and turns into a stellar game
I don’t care how easy water is or can be to get. It’s a chore I have to worry about and it forces me to play the game whether I like it or not
Thanks for the first impressions. I like the team, they sound cool. The whole idea, the environment and the enemy designs look really good, and the gameplay sounds interesting on paper. I hope it will be a success.
If you don't like the water system, this game might not be for you. which is okay, completely understandable. This is something the devs believe too "a game for everyone is a game for no one"
It's not getting the water that's the problem.
It's me having a life, and there are periods where I cannot play the game all the time, and I don't want to have to Max out the water so I can go on a holiday or on a work trip or just go and do shit I need to do and be punished for not grinding constantly
I'd say if you really try you can get 30+ water in 1 day, so hitting the cap takes a little less then 2 days (unless you upgrade to 80 days of storage then a little less than 3). It's not a huge or constant grind honestly.
@@VB2P360 it's the fact I have to that's dumb, not whether I can or cannot
@@christiankirkenes5922 It's mostly a replacement for the Seasonal system so they don't need to reset everyone every 3 months like other extraction shooters. It's instead based on interest.
For the hunter killers (it just got updated and they changed the triggers) but for the first days the triggers were quest items. The thing is most of the quest items were also high value items wich made more people think the value was the trigger. Also the number of box opened was a trigger, the big problem with it was you could open and close the same box and it would trigger them. And about losing them you could run away and get them to fight eurasians (the tanks are the best for it as they take a long time to get through)
Another thing the game is actually not necesserly a stealth game as I've been mostly walking around and not crouching or stealthing as much even going as far as walking along some patrols and as long as your gun are not too threatening they most of the times leaves you alone (except the sniper that enjoy shooting randomly at you)
Also one big thing is how rough the gameplay is contrast with how polished the weapon presets and gear menus are all that is missing is a loadout for your whole character and then this will be insanely fast to get out drop your gear and go back in.
Ohh yeah, a loadout system would really help. They already have the vestigial bits of that in the saved weapon part configurations, so I bet it'll come with time.
Forever winter is in alpha, not necessarily early access
The water mechanics would be cool if it was in game time.
Something like this on console would be awesome
It plays rather well on controller so I definitely see it coming to consoles after 1.0
My first try was 3:52 m. I died in 1,5 sec, try to speak with soldier. Well. You can't speak with soldier on war.😢
As long as your guns are away and you don’t have certain loot, drones and MOST enemies don’t Aggro you from what I’ve read and seen playing.
I've only had time to play 2 rounds besides the tutorial and that is my experience as well. I've gotten aggro'd and lost them, never fired back yet, extracted both times with loot. I think people are underestimating the "you're not the main character" aspect and thinking they can shoot squads then just hide for 10 sec with no repercussions.
how do you put weapons away? Like, do you just unequip them, or can you holster them?
They will most certainly aggro you, but only if they don't have something else to do. If their buddies are engaged with hostiles and the squad of troopers are on their way to the firefight, they'll ignore you. But if there's nothing that has their attention, and they see you, then YOU will have their attention.
Get rid of the hunter-killer system lol
nah nah. it’s still EA, need improvements and tweaking. currently i’d say it’s bugged coz the spawn seems inconsistent. although, i definitely spawned them by being way too aggressive when trying to kill several squads preventing access to extract.
game needs it otherwise cod players just have free range to kill everything with no consequence more like tweak the HK system
@@Cobaltz246 I thought if you killed enough of certain enemies then more forces from that faction would be deployed to the area, I didn’t think they’d have a system like no man sky sentinels just appearing out of nowhere to kill you ffs
@@Bishop1664 technically they gotta come from somewhere regardless. However the distance of how close they spawn is sketch, can just be within your line of sight even which is kinda bad. Good thing it's an EA and will be tweaked.
PSA: hunter killers spawn usually due to you picking up certain high value items such as intel or weapon parts (not to be confused with parts you can utilize or destroyed weapons, but the object that looks like a fancy mortar tube)
These items usually sell for 6-10k credits but typically get hunter killers on you immediately
Game looks dope as hell honestly
I really hope this comes out on console
Same here
Developers said if the game succeeds- they will port it to consoles as well - it still needs a ton of polish
30 fps
i mean the water mechanic sounds kinda mehh.. but really i dig the idea of a PVE extraction shooter. i always wanted to try those but i am not a huge pvp fan. question is in this game then whats the long term motivation if you just kill AI. but i think for a couple of hours now its looks fun
Yeah pvp in raid games can ruin it, like tarkov so thankfully they added the pve mode l ... After you shill extra money....
They do plan to expand the water thingy more and by the announcement they're incorporating some ideas from discord for it, I sure saw some interesting ideas on there that aren't just straight up disabling the mechanic, which I think the devs would feel fine with.
Who knows, if they done it well, could open this game up for more people without going against the core/lore.
A vacations mode will be nice, like you can use it two times per year, so the water supplies pauses, in case you are in a three month trip.
For the Imperium
Dont do early access, but game shows promise, especially the trailers w narration. The rig backpacks look stupid and too bulky taking up a third of your screen at times. Ill check it out if it full releases
I always wanted PVE coop extraction game, this might be the one, hopefully available on PS5 though 🙂
They need to change the water timer feature to only consume when you are on but make the timer cap far lower. like playing for 1h of water farming can get you enough water to last you the whole in real time day or something like that so this way you can play on and off without punishment unlike now how the devs tells you how little you can play or they will reset all your progress if you dont play. This is why i wont buy it because im not going to be told how much i can or cant play or i lose my time spent, its too much like jobs irl forcing ppl to work or be fired. "oh sorry... your pc died and you cant afford a new pc in 30-60 days? sorry, your 300 hours of progress is LOST!!!!!" F that....
The idea behind the water is alarming but not a big deal unless it hits zero. What’s the logic behind losing your stash at zero but not character progress? Stash should not expire. Losing access to additional functions makes sense though. Less people to run the place. I think of it like “you’ve been gone a long time. Everyone left but your stash is still there.” And no, they didn’t just loot your stuff. It’s a stash, implied it’s hidden.
What made me refund was the “random patrols” always knowing where your at and B line it to you. Can’t tell you how many times I will be in a random dark corner or in a vent and a patrol just B lines it to me and kills me instantly 🤦♂️. Graphics are good they just forgot about you know making the gameplay good.
This Is the only game I have ever refunded. Its cool. But I was constantly asking myself "am I having fun?" Then you think about the gameplay loop.. hella rough. All my extracts were carbon copies of each other.
Can you not kill those large enemies? One thing that stands out for me that needs some massive improvements are character animations. They look...horrible and for some people it may not be a big deal but for me personally, I can't get into games that have horrible animations, especially 3rd person since you see your character all the time. The inventory UI system needs some love. It looks clunky and bad. The setting and scale of everything looks awesome. Definitely watching this one as it looks fun.
water machenic sounds weird. Most shooter games tend to have some kind of packs, reward, supply for return players, that's normally how to keep the business running.
For players who reinstall the game after a few months, just want to have some fun, but have to start from ground zero and suffered, does not sound fun.
Yeah, that water thing means i'm out. I'm sick of games not respecting my time, This game has so much disrespect that it will literally erase your progress (your time) if you don't give it more... NOPE
They have, thankfully, massively altered what summons hunter killers. It takes you being an enormous fucker or stealing something actually major to summon them, now. So picking up a photo album no longer marks you for death.
Game looks like it needs more time. Also, what's the end-game about? I feel that a game where you're just a rat scavenging for equipment can fall apart real fast if gathering all that equipment doesn't culminate to something major.
Awesome setting, concept and atmosphere tho; will keep an eye on it.
This game is incredible, and from what I'm seeing, the devs have their hearts in the right place. Big issue is performance however hunt had much of the same problem, the hunter killer needs to have a much smaller timer also making sure they never break the flow of the game being more stealth like that they need to make sure not to break that element. I'll let it cook a bit more excited to see where this goes. But the thing I love seeing is how much these guys are gamers themselves listening to there philosophy on the game so if they take In good feedback I think this game will be a massive success just needs more time in the kitchen.
P.s. I had to add this, "Damn Boi, she thicc."
i like the sounds of this game, however i work a job where i am gone, literally hundreds of miles away from my computer for a week at a time. so i cant get it because that would mean on my week off i have to get twice the amount of water. I think water should be a resource that is consumed by certain upgrades or DOING something, so it only effects you when you play.
haven't played the game but hate the idea of the water mechanic ticking down in real time. it's like an infinitely worse daily login reward, where instead of rewarding you for playing the game regularly, you are actively punished if you are not consistently logging in. that is enough for me to have no interest whatsoever in playing the game. i have a lot of games and i enjoy being able to play whatever i want to play at that time without feeling like i have to play a certain game or i will miss out (such as limited time events which require consistently playing the game during that time)
Damn. I've been really excited about this game for a while, but a mechanic that forces you to play within a certain period of time or lose your stuff is pretty greasy. If you buy a game you should be able to put it aside for 6 months and come back without a penalty.
If they polish the game a lot and tweak the issues you brought up I think this game has a ton of potential! It’s everything I love dark,third person and has looter and survival element. I hope the devs will listen to the community and make the appropriate changes!
Wait what? The water runs out when you are not playing? Ok thats me gone. I have kids and get to play once in a while, so I cant be firced to go in and look for water. Damn this sucks. I really liked the game.
Fuck yeah, solid vid. I agree, it feels alpha. I picked it up to support the devs, I want to see this bake in the oven another year before I invest more time I think. Art and vibes are super cool! Appreciate you doing reviews for weird games like this.
Idk why so many people complain about water literally go to ashen mesa in the elevated house I've found up to 4 spawns quit whining and just play the game plan your route accordingly.
the ost is very hit or miss. im kinda disappointed. the song writer sure likes whammy pedal :D like some of the songs are great. some of them break the tone of the game completely. anyway nice vid Mr. Streamer.
The water mechanic is a dealbreaker for me, i was looking forward to the game but i will not buy or play a game that forces me to play it in regular intervals. It is unneccessary and an awful design decision.
"Somewhere there's this huge goth chick." hmm where about exactly? asking for a friend. On a serious note the music that kicks in at 10:30 with this environment just wow.
in the food chain of the game you are not a combatant in the food chain you are around the level of a cockroach, the infantry are the rats.
as for the hunter killer thing I think its a bug (unless your picking up high profile items like data boxes, cause there are items out there that if you grab it by accident it calls hunter killers but they sell for a good ammount)
Rust was a very early access game, look where it got to. With the right support I know this game will be great and I'm excited for the future of this project.
maybe they implemented the water system to make sure people played the game. But it would make no sense if this was a mechanic in the final game. it should at least have a system where the clock stops ticking if you don't play for three days or something.
Yeah, it's "coop"... It was also "fixed" yesterday, yet my friends and I still couldn't group 😢
same we tried everything bro
They said with friends everyone needs to close the game except for whoever is the host and once they send the invite link the game should boot up and automatically put yall in their game
If you like playing stealth scavenger in hunt, where you basically just watch others kill one another and PvE, then you might really like this since it looks like it's going to be a fair bet of sneaking and observing. Also it's more than just stealth, if you're seen it's not game over, the AI will assess your entire "deal" and decide what to do. If you're a small character with a tiny pistol and no armor, chances are the AI will go "Just some scav digging through the dirt, ignore them." HOWEVER, if you're a big guy heavily armed with good armor, the AI will go "This guy's gonna be a problem, better deal with him." they seem to drop chase faster if you don't shoot, you can lure both factions to a location by firing a shot off in the air so everyone can hear it. You can use one faction that doesn't care about you as a way to deal with another actively trying to kill you, for example you can actively run in front of a tank if you don't look like a threat, while being chased by hunter killers and the tank will shoot them while ignoring you, if they're not on the same side. So there's also this element of understanding the characters and understanding what you can do to impact a situation in your favor without even killing anyone with your guns.
I've heard some people call the AI blind. Because they'll look right at them from somewhere close and do nothing about it. That's not the case, they saw you, they stopped and looked, they just didn't care, you can apparently get domed from Narnia by a mech so don't think the AI is blind as much as it just doesn't care you exist until you make it an issue.
As for hunter killers, to my understanding, they are sent after you when you've officially made a nuisance of your self and they are now sending something to deal with you. Take something of high value from a secure container, pick up something with a tracker on it, get seen killing a bunch of their faction and they'll take you more seriously, UAVs can also tell regular soldiers that aren't hunter killers where you are after you've done any of that stuff from what I recall hearing. I do agree, they shouldn't always know where you are, unless you get spotted by a UAV or still have a tracked item in your inventory, might be something they'll have to rework along with timed exits so there's always a quiet exit on the same level at all times, so you can decide if you want to risk getting gunned down for using a timed exit in a "trespassing" zone that alerts everything around you or have to walk further for a safe exit.
I am not a fan of the character's voice lines. They feel out of place. Does not seem helpful when trying to hide. It would make sense to me if they are thoughts of internal dialog.
This game reminds me of the movie 9
Thanks for putting this on my radar! It's definitely interesting and I'll come back to it when it fully comes out. Wishlisted it
Thanks for the video on this one. Very interested, but gonna give it some more time in the oven before I commit.
Would appreciate it if you decide to do the occasional update on this one.
7 hours in takes me 6min to get water and out. Hunter killers will spawn if you sit around for too long or loot specific gear. I have yet to have a hunter killer spawn for water though.
As a fellow dad gamer I can definitely say the water mechanic is not an issue at all. You can get multiple days of water in an hour even with the starting rig.
ya thats what I was worried about seeing the reviews...between long work days and ALL the other games Im playing, (and the fact this year ive alreay had TWO instances of loosing my internet for a week cuz of world events) I really didnt want to lose everything because I had to take a break, by choice or otherwise.
For me, it's not an issue about whether it is feasible or not. I don't think it's right for a game you paid for to penalize you for not playing for a while.
@@jeremiahsafford1389 Yeah the existence of a real-world clock that causes in-game penalties of any kind is just an issue. This kind of thing inherently disrespects a player's time.
As a counterpoint to it being easy to deal with, why then does it even exist?
The original water mechanic is fine, they should just make it an upgrade mechanic as well, or useful in some other way.
Whats the end goal besides surviving?
another smashing video from mike shame other videos aint done with the same open minded as mike but this game hopefully gonna cook well
I like a lot of what they are doing, but I'm waiting for the real release. I will echo the water mechanic is a turn off.
The hunter killers are based off of rng and the number of times you open and/or close a container or pick up loot.
If you like the vibe of this and like HUNT then man you are going to love Arc Raiders
From my playthroughs the hunterkillers didnt come when I picked up water but when i got noticed? But the hunter killers still didnt know my location. They just started entering the map. I would be curious to hear from other players perspective. I'm loving this
Yes, you can avoid them if you're fast and avoid detection. Usually they know exactly where you are though. Scramblers are easier to avoid and lose. HK's, not so much.
HK's are triggered by looting certain objects. There is a list on the Steam Community posts on the game page.
Usually they come from looting high value stuff in my playthroughs - also sometimes they instant bum rush you other times it takes some time, but they will come for you.
@@joshuagerber8362 The speed at which they arrive (and possibly force numbers?) pertains to what was looted.
@@christianzilla nah there is a quest early on when you loot a "picrture" they are instantly on your ass
@@joshuagerber8362 surely that's a scripted quest mechanic? I'm talking about regular HK loot triggers and behaviours.
taking your advice to heart, still buying it since its cheap. but i will wait to try it out lol
they are asking 30 bucks for a game that isnt even functional
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wont have my money..
They're asking for 30$ for a CLEARLY ANNOUNCED VERY EARLY ACCESS BUILD. Keep your money for fifa and cod skins bud, they can have mine. 😂
@@thefinegameofnil7158mine too plus they are dropping a free demo next month but I got the game last night so no need 😂
@@thefinegameofnil7158 the game being early access means nothing in its favor especially recently. this is literally how all games that turn into scams start a half built early access that they sell for a high price for what it is then they realize they already have the money and sales dip off so it stays in early access limbo for ever. just because you have no pattern recognition doesn't make him a copy past console slop game enjoyer lmao.
@@dylangreen9542 To cite another comment from this section:
"As a reminder! The game developers did not want to release the game in such an early state. But the community insisted, thus the lack of polish.
We're 15 months from the original planned release date. We've been given access to the beta essentially"
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@@DatsWhatHeSaid as the owner of a product you need to be resistant to such peer pressure, you only get one chance to form a good impression and right now that impression is "mixed"
for a while overwatch and early darktide was mixed and it impacted sales horribly.