Everyone knows that the main nu-metal demographic are people that say "They don't make need for speeds like they used to anymore" and we are proud of our cringe.
I am happy that no matter if you look at nu-metal now or if you looked at it in the 90's, it is still the music everyone with actual music taste would rip on. And it never got old. The reasons behind the cringe fanbase may have changed, but the fact that they are cringe is a never changing trait. And I would say - that's quite impressive in its' own right.
“Bent over like a Fentanyl zombie.” has to be the funniest comparative analogy I’ve ever heard to describe the posture of a Nu-Metal bassist 🤣🤣🤣 Your sense of humor never fails to amuse me, Finn 😂👌🏻💯
Sevendust were never the most influential, but they did have a significant influence later on in deathcore, surprisingly - ask Matt Garza. Also definitively criminally underrated. Dismissing Mudvayne is blasphemous - Ryan Martini is every bit the bassist that any great example of that instrument has been. Good that he finally admits SOAD is a good band, even if he acknowledges they’re not to his taste.
I didn't know the Sevendust bit. I love them, but never heard that and it makes me want to look further into it. 1000% agree with the Mudvayne part. I don't think Finn is aware of this because he didn't grow up in that time, but Mudvayne came out when I first started to get into guitar in the early 00s and I remember there was a ton of people getting into bass solely because of Ryan Martini. Virtually every younger bass player I knew was inspired by Ryan Martini. I never cared for SOAD either way, but they were definitely influential as a whole.
As for Mudvayne, I think the main problem is that after The End of All Things to Come, their releases became pretty generic. Even TEOATTC was going way more generic.
I've been booking Sevendust for nearly a decade, and there are several truths about that band, but not being influential or "relevant" is patently false. Their shows will have every age demographic covered and they treat everything as if it's a homecoming show for them. Finn can dump on them all he wants but they've got real staying power and are arguably in the top tier of most respected bands within their own community. You'll not hear one negative thing about those guys from their peers.
@@matthewp9569you’re 100% correct. First saw them in 99, and it’s been a few years since the last time but I’ve probably seen them close to 10 times. They’re incredible live. Extremely tight playing - like to the point it doesn’t matter if they’re the headliner or not, if they’re on stage you’ll almost always see members of the other bands right to the side of the stage watching them. They’re extremely appreciative of their fans too, they’ve been nothing but gracious every time I’ve met them.
The Korn dudes have mentioned being influenced by Sepultura's Chaos AD and Pantera's Vulgar Display of Power on their debut so with that in mind, the chugga chugga of their sound makes a lot of sense.
My boy Finn hit it on the head when he tried figuring out Korn and said "Korn is Korn" . That to me is what has drawn me to them for 30 years. They do what they want and it doesn't necessarily fit in a genre except under the metal umbrella. All the bands that came after were Korn rip offs or influenced by Korn . When Korn came out, not only was their music original, but the way they performed was original as well; hunched over and jumping around.
Agreed what I love about KoRn is that you can’t compare them to anyone else, they’ve always done their own thing, if people like it, cool, if not, whatever. Saw them play live about 15 years ago, no regrets :)
Korn's debut definitely left me confused and fascinated as a 12 year old whose idea of metal was Anthrax, Megadeth and Morbid Angel. I was hooked immediately.
It changed the game forever. Along with Pantera’s Vulgar Display of Power and Metallica’s Black Album, those were the most game changing metal albums of the 90’s
Nu metal vet here 👋 people kinda forget that nu metal started as more of a cultural shift in the metal world, rather than an actual genre, which is why the musical influences are so vast.
I completely agree with this. It seems more adjacent to the Grunge movement where it was a major stylistic/cultural shift from the prior popular metal culture. I think people get too hung up on what characteristics qualify a band as part of the Nu Metal “genre” rather than part of the Nu Metal “scene”
Finn is opinionated but not always right (who is ?). I'm old enough to have followed Hardcore punk into Crossover punk/metal into thrash metal into RATM into nu metal. The importance of Anthrax/PE "Bring the noise" and early Beastie Boys isn't that they invented or sounded like nu metal, it's that they helped to introduce metal fans to hip hop, thus creating fans who were literate in both genres and therefore able to create and appreciate nu metal.
I gave up on following him a long time ago honestly because he’s only trolling. None of his videos are sincere, even when he says he is, it’s all to get a reaction. I don’t believe for a second when he says how much he loves 2010s pop music and whatnot, he’s full of it. 😂
@@coryleblanc In one video, he refers to Deftones as his favorite band(His video about Deftones impact on rock music). But if you go and watch literally any other video of his that mentions nu metal or the band itself , he’s ragging on them for being lame. It’s stuff like that, coupled with the fact that he also likes to talk about how much he loves the fluffy pop music of the 2010s. I just don’t buy what he says because I don’t think he believes what he’s saying. I think he’s just interested in trolling people to get a reaction. He’s almost his own brand of hipster, though he would never want to look at it that way, he loves being ironic and I can tell he’s really proud of himself when he does it.haha
The one thing I remember about this time period is that Korn was the loudest concert I've ever seen (1998 Lakeland FL) I thought my internal organs were going to melt. I've never experienced that in any other gig.
Somebody in the chat asked "Was Korn ever mainstream?" This question has aged me so hard. Korn were THE biggest rock/metal band on the planet for like a year until Limp Bizkit overtook them and then the two of them just were inescapable as Linkin Park, Disturbed, Papa Roach, and System of a Down were also just suddenly fucking everywhere. I'd argue that Slipknot never really cracked into the "On TRL every day" level that Jon and Korn had but people knew Corey from Stone Sour because Bother got huge when Spiderman 2 came out.
That's true Slipknot didn't really become mainstream/radio popular until Vol. 3. Man I remember the days it was all Last Resort, Chop Suey!, Headstrong, Smooth Criminal lol.
The amount of mileage this man can get out of the keywords nu-metal says all we need to know about how impactful the genre was. I'm sure Finn would like to make other vids but gotta do what sells. Almost like he is some kind of meta numetal artist himself doing what the record company mandates.....deep
A lot of stuff that is called Nu Metal now was called Alternative Rock when it came out. Especially all those bands like Staind and what now. Like Nu Metal was kind of pretty niche at the time, it was a big genre in terms of sales, but by the time new bands started writing new "Nu Metal" it was already the sort of thing you didn't tell your GF you liked when you were in HS.
And also a lot of alternative bands were wrongly labelled nu metal during the whole nu metal thing. I still wouldnt call SOAD and deftones nu metal, and certainly not QOTSA who were lumped jn there for a few years
Sevendust was from Jacksonville and I grew up in Orlando. I've seen them close to a dozen times- they would find their way into every rock festival show in FL. I saw them play Warped Tour twice. They were always a fun show.
I’ve seen sevendust probably around 8-9 times I can recall of hand. I think they’re objectively talented, if not necessarily ground breaking or super creative. But I’m surprised I don’t hear a bit more about them from fans of similar genres. Got into them a long while back (around 2000ish) and something about their music just really strikes a chord with me.
I think the hip-hop influence is not as big of a part of Nu Metal as a lot of folks think. I think the popularity of Limp Bizkit (and its tie to Korn) and the legit talent of Linkin Park overshadows how little the rapping vocals, turn tables and samples factored into most of the other bands at that time. I think the simple, filthy riffs and breakdowns combined with no frills bass and percussion that punch you in the face is what made the Korn and Slipknot flavor of Nu Metal so interesting and defined most of the rest of the genre (and what I think more folks liked about Limp Bizkit than red-hat guys' whining). Obviously Linkin Park and Limp Bizkit were huge and had significant hip-hop elements, but that was kinda it.
Most rapping in nu-metal sounds like lame, very old-school hip-hop. If the likes of Melle Mel or Kurtis Blow out-rap you in the early 2000s then you arent good.
@@darealgodzilla agree. I only really respected Mike Shinoda and Zac DLR (although I don't consider Rage NuMetal). the "nu metal rapping" was made especially jarring because the 2Pac-Biggie West vs. East thing was going on around the same time and everything Dre and Puffy were producing at that time made everything before it sound so dated. Why would I listen to this white dude try and do his best Public Enemy impression when I can listen to All Eyez on Me, Life After Death, It Was Written, or Wu-Tang Forever.
KoRn, first time I heard Johnathan Davis’ crazy growls/noises, paired with his bagpipe playing I was blown away. What a talented group of people, been listening for about 25 years now 😬 also being a huge fan of Mike Patton/Mr. Bungle, and Primus, it’s no wonder I fell in love with those bass guitars too (not exactly the same but you get it)
Bringing up anthrax and public enemy is the musical equivalent of that one dude whose sole mission in life is to make sure people know that final fantasy 2 and 3 are actually final fantasy 4 and 6
The Deftones historical revisionism is quite fantastic. I've been into them since Adrenaline, and their only fans up to the 2000s were skater-doofuses like me. I could count them all on one hand at my school. Adrenaline was pretty known, too; you could easily score it in a used or discount bin at music stores. Korn was the band that got all the attention, back then; popular kids ended up liking them more than us dorks. But, hey, if the young-uns wanna retcon my one of my favorite bands when I a teen as the coolest band of the late 90s, who am I to stop em!
True. I remember korn and slipknot fans ripping on me for liking deftones for being low skilled shitty band. Their first 3 albums is definitely nu metal, but from then onwards i'd just call it alt metal.
Warwicks were totally a thing back then, 311, Incubus, dial 7, mudvayne, pod and many others had them, I think I even remember left handed Warwick bass in early slipknot. Korn and early soad had the Ibanez, aaf was actually a custom 6 string fender model that never happened
@@subparnaturedocumentary Ibanez handed out basses to numetal bands like crazy, shavo had them before switching to Gibson, then it came full circle when Gibson stopped making basses in 2017 and he switched to Warwick. Not that he is the greatest bass player, pretty sloppy live. Warwick was the hot bass to have in the nu metal era, my favorite Warwick guy was dirk lance. If Rush hadn't gone dormant from 97-2002 I might not have sidetracked into that current stuff back then
I still enjoy Sevendust.. they don’t deserve the slander lol I don’t care how many I hate any Metal videos you post lol I will always love it. I enjoyed the hell out of Coal Chamber back then lol every now and then I’ll listen to the album I will always love Korn! When I first heated them I was like holy sh-t! Fan from day one, great in concerts too, every time they had a concert we were there. Damn good show!
Korn definitely layed the blueprint but if you listen to Cypress hill"s debut album a few years earlier you can see Korn borrowed some of DJ Muggs production w/ the weird noises & out of tune instrumentation that still carried a groove in Cypress Hill songs
“If Thousand Foot Krutch is at the top of your mind, you’re doing just fine in this world” this is the kind of valuable insight that I subscribe to this channel for.
As a 25 y/o without a license who walks to the factory, how DARE you not mention the best bands of Nu metal: Powerman 5000, Spineshank, & Element Eighty!!!
I hated Nu Metal back in the day and I still don't like it, but I never called any of the fans "posers", they were metal heads they just liked a genre I didn't. Too many other metal heads gate keep too hard, and if you like a specific band or genre they don't they call you poser. In my mind, the only poser is one who wears a T shirt of a band they've never listened to, the term "poser" is a catchall term for something somebody doesn't like.
Well said, there are a few metal genres I don’t like or ever have but that doesn’t matter it’s still all part of the metal tribe. I hate gate keeping of any music genre. Why can’t people just love what they love? I enjoy a lot of alt music not just one genre.
Nonpoint Edit: The funny thing is that I love KoRn more than a lot of the other Nu-Metal bands included Static X, Sevendust and Nonpoint. I like Slipknot too and everything but I wish had gotten more of a following like Slipknot and Deftones.
The difference between nu metal and power metal lyrics is that I think a lot of power metal bands are kind of in on the joke, while 100 percent of nu metal bands are dead serious.
What I dislike the most about Deftones is that they always pretended to be something better than they actually are, you are a Nu Metal band, thats how we all found you, embrace it
It's not weird to me that Korn has the least "currency." Korn has managed to stay around and be relevant somehow. Same can be said about Disturbed even if they are cringeworthy. Many bands in nu-metal are riding the nostalgia wave like Limp Bizkit, Static-X, Mudvayne, and Coal Chamber. Somehow 20 years later these bands are all being "recognized" as being the best of the genre. There's no doubt Limp Bizkit was huge at one time, getting MTV and radio play. But i think few have ever held them in high esteem. System of a Down haven't actively toured or made an album, which has somehow boosted their relevance. Deftones is undeniably nu-metal but have also grown beyond the Nu-Metal label much in the same way as Linkin Park.
How are we going to leave off Primus's influence on nu metal as well? While Antipop might be their only "nu metal" album, their influence is quite clear. Also, Coal Chamber were taking nu metal into a goth/industrial direction, which was incredible at the time. They are also amazing live, sorry Finn.
Good video as always, Finn! In response to your statement regarding Rage being lumped in with Nu-Metal but really shouldn't be, my assessment is that they are to Nu-Metal what Van Halen is to Glam Metal (right down to the fact that you could pin Tom Morello as the 'Eddie Van Halen' of that movement by the way with each Rage album you were going to get a lot of 'WTF is he doing there?' moments that stretched the imagination of what kind of sounds you could get out of the guitar). Both genres borrowed key elements from those respective bands and likewise, it seems a bit unfair to associate either with them due to that fact that most of the bands that do make up the genre amplified the cringe elements to much more robust levels which Rage and VH did not. As a matter of fact, I once did a post on Facebook a few years back pairing up Glam Metal bands with their Nu-Metal counterparts that I'd actually love to hear your input on (could be a great idea for a video)! I'll send you a DM with the link to the thread. Let me know what you think!
For sure Korn, Deftones, Limp Bizkit, Slipknot, and Linkin Park are the platinum kings of NuMetal. No one ever mentions Godsmack or Disturbed in the bands of NuMetal.
I played bass in a Nu-Metal band for six months back in 1996. I blame these herniated disks I have at 47 years old on how I held my bass. So your statement tracks.
Real question: Why doesn't anyone include Incubus in Nu Metal? They would be on the lighter side for sure, but Fungus Amoungus especially hits all the nu-metal notes, and their next two albums still had many markers.
My memory on the beginnings of nu metal was that it had a bit of originality and buzz followed by limp bizkit and papa roach, which felt dumb and immediately dated. When that deftones conversation comes up I put it like this…is the clash a punk rock band? Well they played punk when punk became popular and they wanted to put themselves on the map, but ultimately they transcended that genre and genres in general. I’d say the same for deftones and nu metal.
Nu Metal is a perfect example of how people can sometimes take music way too seriously. Sure, there are some real dogs in the genre, but that is true of every big fad, including the Grunge and Hair Metal fads that preceded it. Most bands in those genres weren't writing home about either.
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@@FinnMckentyPRMBAI think it's because when you're being sarcastic it's not with a sarcastic tone of voice, just your standard tone. Took me a while to realise. Yes I'm british, and slow.
I feel, the difference between the good Nu-Metal bands and the bad ones is the ability to put out numerous good songs. A lot of those lower tier bands only had one decent song. And there were bands who were pretty good musically that went under the radar.
I remember going to see Megadeth in 1998. They had with a few Nu-Metal bands opening the show... and a bunch of kids just saw those bands and then left. When Megadeth played it was almost empty.
"The lack of t" is technically speaking a "glottal stop" and is emblematic of some English dialects. You can even find in American English, for instance listen to some Method Man's stuff. In Queen's British English there is t but it's voiceless. As opposed to American English, where it's a "flap" if I remember correctly. Somebody better versed in English fonet8cs correct me if I'm wrong.
Considering the insane number of accents on that island? And then add the idea that accents have crossovers (like someone can have something like Yorkshire and Scouse in their pronunciation for some reason) and I’m not sure there is a hard and fast answer. Sort of how the stereotypical American Southern accent is changing drastically.
When it comes to nu metal there were bands that everyone knew and some that flew under the radar or were put in The nu metal category. Bands i have liked that were nu metal were Dry Kill Logic, Nothingface, Ill nino, Mudvayne.
Can you fucking believe they were like my favorite band in summer after first year of hs then I started listening to stuff like Slayer and with the years got into Grind.
@12:31 absolutely agreed, no clue where the mudvayne love came from. But like after covid everyone decided that mudvaybe was "so important" but I don't hear it. Other than brr brr deng and bugles, they bring very little to the table lol
I’ll keep listening to my Limp and Korn albums. Almost 40 and not interested in the new stuff. It’s what I grew up with and I’m not gonna pretend I wasn’t all in back then. No shame here.
Exactly. Some people today refuse to get old with integrity and be true to who they are. Instead, they choose to capitulate to the young generation for fear of becoming irrelevant. Personally, I'm completely fine with being the old guy that listens to nu metal. I see no valid reason to change simply to appease others.
Finn i know its off topic but have you heard the two new tracks from Job For a Cowboy and are you excited for their first new album in ten years? maybe a myspace core revival?
My favorite band's first two records are considered nu-metal and I like several other bands who get lumped in with the rest. I eventually stopped trying to explain how the bands I liked were different from Limp Bizkit, but I've given up and just embrace the label of "nu-metal fan."
The sad thing about nu-metal is that even the biggest of those bands made an amazing debut LP (that was basically a demo), then made a good first proper studio LP - then were absolutely wack from that point onwards. The nu-metal bands that missed the first wave, then also missed the first two good LP's and moved straight to wackness. Incidentally, the dropped "t" (or dropped "h") in England is all regional variations. You should listen to Bristolians. They add "l" to words that don't have them. "Bananals"...
I'm such a numetal nerd I know all the obscure ass bands I'll argue that most of those c and d tier bands are better than most of the big ones. I have over 4000 CDs and I'd say 2000 of them are numetal lol
People bring up Bring the Noise (1991) as the beginning of Nu Metal but in fact they should bring up Anthrax "I'm the Man" (1987), they combined metal and rap 4 years earlier.
“!SHuT UP WhEN IM taLkinG To YoU!!” Sums up the entire essence of nu metal. I’m proud to say that I had the most nu-metally insane sense of hate for nu metal (which I like to refer to as Walmart-core) since day one. I even got in fights with my best friends on several occasions over it. Was I being an ignorant pretentious dick? Absolutely. But I still support teenage me’s sentiment (though I no longer feel the need to tell everyone and be right about it-except in the occasional UA-cam comment section).
Hey I'm only 19 I discovered nu-metal on my own. My whole family listened to country and old rock. I fell in love with everything about the genre and I'll wear the cringe on my sleeve😂😂
Back when I was a die hard techno kid who wouldn't listen to anything not rave related, Korn (along with The Prodigy) made it ok for me to listen to band music. Korn is basically electronic music made in a metal format.
People are resistant to include Deftones in Nü Metal because the band, themselves, spent YEARS telling us not to do that exact thing 😂 they didn’t love being lumped into the genre
I think deftones and system of a down are actually alternative metal. They get called nu metal because they emerged out of the nu metal era and toured with nu metal bands. They are nu metal adjacent alternative metal bands but not nu metal bands.
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Celldweller is massively underrated. That first album is flawless.
what-not alert!
Put some respek on system lol
Everyone knows that the main nu-metal demographic are people that say "They don't make need for speeds like they used to anymore" and we are proud of our cringe.
A need for speed underground remaster would be fire though
But they don't, after nfs carbono all went downhill and that's a fact
I am happy that no matter if you look at nu-metal now or if you looked at it in the 90's, it is still the music everyone with actual music taste would rip on. And it never got old. The reasons behind the cringe fanbase may have changed, but the fact that they are cringe is a never changing trait. And I would say - that's quite impressive in its' own right.
YES! I need a remake of the first two Underground titles. Peak NFS.
But Unbound sucks
“Bent over like a Fentanyl zombie.” has to be the funniest comparative analogy I’ve ever heard to describe the posture of a Nu-Metal bassist 🤣🤣🤣
Your sense of humor never fails to amuse me, Finn 😂👌🏻💯
"Or high up like the guy from Alien Ant Farm" XD XD that guy's name is Tye Zamora, & he's a kickass funny bassist!
I thought he was just gonna say bent over like Fieldy, lol
And in Paul Gray's case it was true.
Keep milking nu metal Finn, and I'll keep watching every damn video. 😂
It’s like a drug for us Finn viewers lmao
Damn right!!! More!!!
We here for it!
Hell yeah brother
If nu-metal didn't exist, Finn wouldn't have blown up. That's why he keeps covering the genre
Correct
Sevendust were never the most influential, but they did have a significant influence later on in deathcore, surprisingly - ask Matt Garza. Also definitively criminally underrated.
Dismissing Mudvayne is blasphemous - Ryan Martini is every bit the bassist that any great example of that instrument has been.
Good that he finally admits SOAD is a good band, even if he acknowledges they’re not to his taste.
I didn't know the Sevendust bit. I love them, but never heard that and it makes me want to look further into it.
1000% agree with the Mudvayne part. I don't think Finn is aware of this because he didn't grow up in that time, but Mudvayne came out when I first started to get into guitar in the early 00s and I remember there was a ton of people getting into bass solely because of Ryan Martini. Virtually every younger bass player I knew was inspired by Ryan Martini.
I never cared for SOAD either way, but they were definitely influential as a whole.
As for Mudvayne, I think the main problem is that after The End of All Things to Come, their releases became pretty generic. Even TEOATTC was going way more generic.
I've been booking Sevendust for nearly a decade, and there are several truths about that band, but not being influential or "relevant" is patently false. Their shows will have every age demographic covered and they treat everything as if it's a homecoming show for them. Finn can dump on them all he wants but they've got real staying power and are arguably in the top tier of most respected bands within their own community. You'll not hear one negative thing about those guys from their peers.
@@matthewp9569you’re 100% correct. First saw them in 99, and it’s been a few years since the last time but I’ve probably seen them close to 10 times. They’re incredible live. Extremely tight playing - like to the point it doesn’t matter if they’re the headliner or not, if they’re on stage you’ll almost always see members of the other bands right to the side of the stage watching them. They’re extremely appreciative of their fans too, they’ve been nothing but gracious every time I’ve met them.
Chris Garza from Suicide Silence, the main music writer of the band and the best Deathcore songwriter is a HUGE fan of Sevendust so theres that
The Korn dudes have mentioned being influenced by Sepultura's Chaos AD and Pantera's Vulgar Display of Power on their debut so with that in mind, the chugga chugga of their sound makes a lot of sense.
Mr bungle is a big one. Chromatics. A break away from blues which a lot of rock and metal is based on.
My boy Finn hit it on the head when he tried figuring out Korn and said "Korn is Korn" . That to me is what has drawn me to them for 30 years. They do what they want and it doesn't necessarily fit in a genre except under the metal umbrella. All the bands that came after were Korn rip offs or influenced by Korn . When Korn came out, not only was their music original, but the way they performed was original as well; hunched over and jumping around.
Being overall shut musicians is a huge part of that influence
Agreed what I love about KoRn is that you can’t compare them to anyone else, they’ve always done their own thing, if people like it, cool, if not, whatever. Saw them play live about 15 years ago, no regrets :)
I agree.
Korn's debut definitely left me confused and fascinated as a 12 year old whose idea of metal was Anthrax, Megadeth and Morbid Angel. I was hooked immediately.
It changed the game forever. Along with Pantera’s Vulgar Display of Power and Metallica’s Black Album, those were the most game changing metal albums of the 90’s
Nu metal vet here 👋 people kinda forget that nu metal started as more of a cultural shift in the metal world, rather than an actual genre, which is why the musical influences are so vast.
I completely agree with this. It seems more adjacent to the Grunge movement where it was a major stylistic/cultural shift from the prior popular metal culture. I think people get too hung up on what characteristics qualify a band as part of the Nu Metal “genre” rather than part of the Nu Metal “scene”
The scene was better than the music.
Finn is opinionated but not always right (who is ?). I'm old enough to have followed Hardcore punk into Crossover punk/metal into thrash metal into RATM into nu metal. The importance of Anthrax/PE "Bring the noise" and early Beastie Boys isn't that they invented or sounded like nu metal, it's that they helped to introduce metal fans to hip hop, thus creating fans who were literate in both genres and therefore able to create and appreciate nu metal.
I gave up on following him a long time ago honestly because he’s only trolling. None of his videos are sincere, even when he says he is, it’s all to get a reaction. I don’t believe for a second when he says how much he loves 2010s pop music and whatnot, he’s full of it. 😂
"Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five established Hip-Hop and then it took off when the Beastie Boys drove it into the (white) suburbs"
@@KickflipGnasty he is positive-vibes only so lots of sarcasm and joking.
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In one video, he refers to Deftones as his favorite band(His video about Deftones impact on rock music). But if you go and watch literally any other video of his that mentions nu metal or the band itself , he’s ragging on them for being lame. It’s stuff like that, coupled with the fact that he also likes to talk about how much he loves the fluffy pop music of the 2010s. I just don’t buy what he says because I don’t think he believes what he’s saying. I think he’s just interested in trolling people to get a reaction. He’s almost his own brand of hipster, though he would never want to look at it that way, he loves being ironic and I can tell he’s really proud of himself when he does it.haha
@@KickflipGnasty i unsubbed and resubbed to his channel. he's more entertaining than say Anthony Fantano
The one thing I remember about this time period is that Korn was the loudest concert I've ever seen (1998 Lakeland FL) I thought my internal organs were going to melt. I've never experienced that in any other gig.
Korn live was insane. Few bands could compare
One thing to remember about Nu-Metal, it was a soundtrack for riding the front 50 Cal on a gun truck.
Somebody in the chat asked "Was Korn ever mainstream?"
This question has aged me so hard. Korn were THE biggest rock/metal band on the planet for like a year until Limp Bizkit overtook them and then the two of them just were inescapable as Linkin Park, Disturbed, Papa Roach, and System of a Down were also just suddenly fucking everywhere. I'd argue that Slipknot never really cracked into the "On TRL every day" level that Jon and Korn had but people knew Corey from Stone Sour because Bother got huge when Spiderman 2 came out.
Yeah that period between late 1998 into early 1999 Korn were unrivaled in popularity... Then Nookie was on the radio....
That's true Slipknot didn't really become mainstream/radio popular until Vol. 3. Man I remember the days it was all Last Resort, Chop Suey!, Headstrong, Smooth Criminal lol.
I don't understand how Coal Chamber and Devil Driver were founding by the same guy... Dez is crazy and a hell of an artist.
The amount of mileage this man can get out of the keywords nu-metal says all we need to know about how impactful the genre was. I'm sure Finn would like to make other vids but gotta do what sells. Almost like he is some kind of meta numetal artist himself doing what the record company mandates.....deep
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@@FinnMckentyPRMBAThat must be a three-dollar bill in your emoji's mouth
A lot of stuff that is called Nu Metal now was called Alternative Rock when it came out. Especially all those bands like Staind and what now. Like Nu Metal was kind of pretty niche at the time, it was a big genre in terms of sales, but by the time new bands started writing new "Nu Metal" it was already the sort of thing you didn't tell your GF you liked when you were in HS.
And also a lot of alternative bands were wrongly labelled nu metal during the whole nu metal thing. I still wouldnt call SOAD and deftones nu metal, and certainly not QOTSA who were lumped jn there for a few years
Sevendust was from Jacksonville and I grew up in Orlando. I've seen them close to a dozen times- they would find their way into every rock festival show in FL. I saw them play Warped Tour twice. They were always a fun show.
I’ve seen sevendust probably around 8-9 times I can recall of hand. I think they’re objectively talented, if not necessarily ground breaking or super creative. But I’m surprised I don’t hear a bit more about them from fans of similar genres. Got into them a long while back (around 2000ish) and something about their music just really strikes a chord with me.
Sevendust fucking rocks, and they ARE indeed important and influential.
I think the hip-hop influence is not as big of a part of Nu Metal as a lot of folks think. I think the popularity of Limp Bizkit (and its tie to Korn) and the legit talent of Linkin Park overshadows how little the rapping vocals, turn tables and samples factored into most of the other bands at that time. I think the simple, filthy riffs and breakdowns combined with no frills bass and percussion that punch you in the face is what made the Korn and Slipknot flavor of Nu Metal so interesting and defined most of the rest of the genre (and what I think more folks liked about Limp Bizkit than red-hat guys' whining). Obviously Linkin Park and Limp Bizkit were huge and had significant hip-hop elements, but that was kinda it.
Most rapping in nu-metal sounds like lame, very old-school hip-hop. If the likes of Melle Mel or Kurtis Blow out-rap you in the early 2000s then you arent good.
@@darealgodzilla agree. I only really respected Mike Shinoda and Zac DLR (although I don't consider Rage NuMetal). the "nu metal rapping" was made especially jarring because the 2Pac-Biggie West vs. East thing was going on around the same time and everything Dre and Puffy were producing at that time made everything before it sound so dated. Why would I listen to this white dude try and do his best Public Enemy impression when I can listen to All Eyez on Me, Life After Death, It Was Written, or Wu-Tang Forever.
I always considered "Sinner" by Drowning pool to be one of the best Nu-metal albums out there.
Eh
"Best" is crazy. Still though, love to see this album get some love.
Best? No. 1st half of the album is really good though. Definitely had potential to be on to something great.
I loved Dave’s voice! He died too soon.
Sinner best nu metal album? Give Pass Out Of Existence by Chimaira a listen. That will become your NEW fave nu metal album.
KoRn, first time I heard Johnathan Davis’ crazy growls/noises, paired with his bagpipe playing I was blown away. What a talented group of people, been listening for about 25 years now 😬 also being a huge fan of Mike Patton/Mr. Bungle, and Primus, it’s no wonder I fell in love with those bass guitars too (not exactly the same but you get it)
I'm so used to 90s Deftones doing hardcore shows, I miss their genre-ing
I felt the same way about downset .
@@snowboarder7791 "hell yeah brother"
Nu metal lives in our hearts
It really doesn't
nu metal was killed by the mission impossible 2 soundtrack and linkin park. RIP @@jessickalush3305
Bringing up anthrax and public enemy is the musical equivalent of that one dude whose sole mission in life is to make sure people know that final fantasy 2 and 3 are actually final fantasy 4 and 6
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"You know that bit in the Two Towers when Aragorn kicks the helmet and screams...."
The Deftones historical revisionism is quite fantastic. I've been into them since Adrenaline, and their only fans up to the 2000s were skater-doofuses like me. I could count them all on one hand at my school. Adrenaline was pretty known, too; you could easily score it in a used or discount bin at music stores. Korn was the band that got all the attention, back then; popular kids ended up liking them more than us dorks.
But, hey, if the young-uns wanna retcon my one of my favorite bands when I a teen as the coolest band of the late 90s, who am I to stop em!
True. I remember korn and slipknot fans ripping on me for liking deftones for being low skilled shitty band. Their first 3 albums is definitely nu metal, but from then onwards i'd just call it alt metal.
Yeah i never considered deftones nu metal, and we were all skaters who liked them. They were extremely uncool.
Warwicks were totally a thing back then, 311, Incubus, dial 7, mudvayne, pod and many others had them, I think I even remember left handed Warwick bass in early slipknot. Korn and early soad had the Ibanez, aaf was actually a custom 6 string fender model that never happened
yup paul gray had a left handed warwicks before the ibanez sponsorship
@@subparnaturedocumentary Ibanez handed out basses to numetal bands like crazy, shavo had them before switching to Gibson, then it came full circle when Gibson stopped making basses in 2017 and he switched to Warwick. Not that he is the greatest bass player, pretty sloppy live. Warwick was the hot bass to have in the nu metal era, my favorite Warwick guy was dirk lance. If Rush hadn't gone dormant from 97-2002 I might not have sidetracked into that current stuff back then
I mean, Korn just did a big collaboration with Adidas and they are already sold out. I think that’s definitely currency.
I still enjoy Sevendust.. they don’t deserve the slander lol
I don’t care how many I hate any Metal videos you post lol I will always love it.
I enjoyed the hell out of Coal Chamber back then lol every now and then I’ll listen to the album
I will always love Korn! When I first heated them I was like holy sh-t! Fan from day one, great in concerts too, every time they had a concert we were there. Damn good show!
Korn definitely layed the blueprint but if you listen to Cypress hill"s debut album a few years earlier you can see Korn borrowed some of DJ Muggs production w/ the weird noises & out of tune instrumentation that still carried a groove in Cypress Hill songs
Yup even Munky & Head said so
Judgement Night soundtrack needs to be discussed about influencing the genre.
Korn is the Funk side of NuMetal, Both drummers have always kept a tempo on their kit similar to funk or disco.
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“If Thousand Foot Krutch is at the top of your mind, you’re doing just fine in this world” this is the kind of valuable insight that I subscribe to this channel for.
'I hate nu metal because people think it's bad, but I love Deftones, therefore Deftones can't be nu metal'
I heard Korn - Clown on The Box, loved it. Went out and got the CD in like 1995
Was there for it all and what great times we had. Snot, (hed), Korn and Linkin get my vote of the best from then till now, Rip Lynn.🏴☠️👊🎶
As a 25 y/o without a license who walks to the factory, how DARE you not mention the best bands of Nu metal: Powerman 5000, Spineshank, & Element Eighty!!!
Get up, drop the bombshell.... welcome to Dudley-ville
Holy shit I haven't thought of or heard anyone mention Element 80 in at least 15 years. Nice
@@trevorwhatever2050 you should listen to their 2 albums that dropped the last 2 years 😂 I saw them in Texas a few months ago
Love me some element 80 and spineshank. Powerman5000? Meh.
I hated Nu Metal back in the day and I still don't like it, but I never called any of the fans "posers", they were metal heads they just liked a genre I didn't. Too many other metal heads gate keep too hard, and if you like a specific band or genre they don't they call you poser. In my mind, the only poser is one who wears a T shirt of a band they've never listened to, the term "poser" is a catchall term for something somebody doesn't like.
Well said, there are a few metal genres I don’t like or ever have but that doesn’t matter it’s still all part of the metal tribe. I hate gate keeping of any music genre. Why can’t people just love what they love? I enjoy a lot of alt music not just one genre.
Nonpoint
Edit: The funny thing is that I love KoRn more than a lot of the other Nu-Metal bands included Static X, Sevendust and Nonpoint.
I like Slipknot too and everything but I wish had gotten more of a following like Slipknot and Deftones.
( Hed) P.E. and Snot will always be my fav' from that era, because both do their own things and have roots in Punk Hardcore
The difference between nu metal and power metal lyrics is that I think a lot of power metal bands are kind of in on the joke, while 100 percent of nu metal bands are dead serious.
What I dislike the most about Deftones is that they always pretended to be something better than they actually are, you are a Nu Metal band, thats how we all found you, embrace it
Finn, please make a video explaining the impact of Sevendust on the nü metal genre. Please, I beg of you.
It's not weird to me that Korn has the least "currency." Korn has managed to stay around and be relevant somehow. Same can be said about Disturbed even if they are cringeworthy. Many bands in nu-metal are riding the nostalgia wave like Limp Bizkit, Static-X, Mudvayne, and Coal Chamber. Somehow 20 years later these bands are all being "recognized" as being the best of the genre. There's no doubt Limp Bizkit was huge at one time, getting MTV and radio play. But i think few have ever held them in high esteem. System of a Down haven't actively toured or made an album, which has somehow boosted their relevance. Deftones is undeniably nu-metal but have also grown beyond the Nu-Metal label much in the same way as Linkin Park.
How are we going to leave off Primus's influence on nu metal as well? While Antipop might be their only "nu metal" album, their influence is quite clear. Also, Coal Chamber were taking nu metal into a goth/industrial direction, which was incredible at the time. They are also amazing live, sorry Finn.
Absolutely nothing to do with nu-metal tbh
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA You'll have to tell that to Korn, Deftones and others who actually credit Primus as an influence. That funky slappy bass.
@@BradNolanVideography Some of Wes Borland's guitar playing borrows from Claypool as well (particularly the main tapping riff in 'Sour' off 3DBY)
Good video as always, Finn! In response to your statement regarding Rage being lumped in with Nu-Metal but really shouldn't be, my assessment is that they are to Nu-Metal what Van Halen is to Glam Metal (right down to the fact that you could pin Tom Morello as the 'Eddie Van Halen' of that movement by the way with each Rage album you were going to get a lot of 'WTF is he doing there?' moments that stretched the imagination of what kind of sounds you could get out of the guitar). Both genres borrowed key elements from those respective bands and likewise, it seems a bit unfair to associate either with them due to that fact that most of the bands that do make up the genre amplified the cringe elements to much more robust levels which Rage and VH did not. As a matter of fact, I once did a post on Facebook a few years back pairing up Glam Metal bands with their Nu-Metal counterparts that I'd actually love to hear your input on (could be a great idea for a video)! I'll send you a DM with the link to the thread. Let me know what you think!
For sure Korn, Deftones, Limp Bizkit, Slipknot, and Linkin Park are the platinum kings of NuMetal. No one ever mentions Godsmack or Disturbed in the bands of NuMetal.
There was a point in my life where I owned both a fubu tracksuit and jnco jeans
Respect
P.O.D. was actually before Korn. Though 311 was before both.
Bro you just blew my mind
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Yup
I played bass in a Nu-Metal band for six months back in 1996. I blame these herniated disks I have at 47 years old on how I held my bass. So your statement tracks.
Did the band have any songs you’d find online? I just really like digging up obscure stuff, especially nü metal.
Nah sorry y'all. The band was a reason for us to drink. A lot. We recorded some demos but I doubt they still exist.
Real question: Why doesn't anyone include Incubus in Nu Metal? They would be on the lighter side for sure, but Fungus Amoungus especially hits all the nu-metal notes, and their next two albums still had many markers.
“Knick-knack patty-wack” was the pre-cursor to all the whispery parts building up to the Cringedowns
"nu-metal has the cringiest lyrics"
*NSBM hides in bushes really hoping nobody notices them*
This dude goes in, love his vids
hell yeah I love to see Coolea getting more coverage
My memory on the beginnings of nu metal was that it had a bit of originality and buzz followed by limp bizkit and papa roach, which felt dumb and immediately dated. When that deftones conversation comes up I put it like this…is the clash a punk rock band? Well they played punk when punk became popular and they wanted to put themselves on the map, but ultimately they transcended that genre and genres in general. I’d say the same for deftones and nu metal.
Nu Metal is a perfect example of how people can sometimes take music way too seriously. Sure, there are some real dogs in the genre, but that is true of every big fad, including the Grunge and Hair Metal fads that preceded it. Most bands in those genres weren't writing home about either.
LD 50 by mudvayne is a fantastic album. Also Ryan is probably one of the best bassists that came out of that time.
15:18 me listening to Primer 55, skindred, soulfly, disembodied, 40 below summer, american head charge, good hate us all, kittie, dry kill logic, downset, orange 9 mm, nothingface, vision of disorder, chimaira, godsmack, snot, motograter, diecast, bloodsimple, roadrinner United, scars of life, darwin's waiting room, skinlab, uktrapsank, five point o, bionic jive, professional murder music, threat signal: 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I'm still jamming to all those bands to 🤘
Finn slowly realizing that British English comes in many different accents
British people slowly realizing that some things I say are jokes! Truly incredible how slow people are across the atlantic.
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA I know, right (I'm not British btw)
@@FinnMckentyPRMBAI think it's because when you're being sarcastic it's not with a sarcastic tone of voice, just your standard tone. Took me a while to realise. Yes I'm british, and slow.
oh coolea's guides are really entertaining. This is a cool crossover.
How the heck did that guy not say reggae as one of the nu-metal genre components?…
Finn, you have done more for Nu Metal than any journalist lately. You easily got me to defend it now 😂. This is always fun
Korn was the first concert I ever went to, powerman 5000 was the opener and it was sick Af.
Such great solid takes on nu-metal! It's fun seeing it having a resurgence, but at the end of the day? The cream rises to the top.
I proudly simp for Sevendust since 1997.
Would love to see more reactions on Coolea vids :)
I feel, the difference between the good Nu-Metal bands and the bad ones is the ability to put out numerous good songs. A lot of those lower tier bands only had one decent song. And there were bands who were pretty good musically that went under the radar.
deftones has and will always be nü metal, remember in hs the patches on the book bag always the 3 were Korn Deftones and Slipknot
I remember going to see Megadeth in 1998. They had with a few Nu-Metal bands opening the show... and a bunch of kids just saw those bands and then left. When Megadeth played it was almost empty.
To the kid's Megadeath was a fossil band who where considered old and irrelevant.
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"The lack of t" is technically speaking a "glottal stop" and is emblematic of some English dialects. You can even find in American English, for instance listen to some Method Man's stuff. In Queen's British English there is t but it's voiceless. As opposed to American English, where it's a "flap" if I remember correctly. Somebody better versed in English fonet8cs correct me if I'm wrong.
Considering the insane number of accents on that island? And then add the idea that accents have crossovers (like someone can have something like Yorkshire and Scouse in their pronunciation for some reason) and I’m not sure there is a hard and fast answer. Sort of how the stereotypical American Southern accent is changing drastically.
Man, just found your channel. Love it. Whats your thoughts on post-metal, like Pelican, Russian Circles, Red Sparrow etc?
When it comes to nu metal there were bands that everyone knew and some that flew under the radar or were put in The nu metal category. Bands i have liked that were nu metal were Dry Kill Logic, Nothingface, Ill nino, Mudvayne.
Nothingface 💕 still to this day that band was amazing
I dig the “Hot Ones” style sound bite outtro
BRO, NOBODY is simping for Sevendust.
Can you fucking believe they were like my favorite band in summer after first year of hs then I started listening to stuff like Slayer and with the years got into Grind.
I simp for Sevendust.
PRAAAAAIIIISE!
I simp
They're a big deal up this way
Northern England doesn’t have T’s, southern England doesn’t have L’s.
England has many regional dialects.
The whisper lyric example had me cackling
@12:31 absolutely agreed, no clue where the mudvayne love came from. But like after covid everyone decided that mudvaybe was "so important" but I don't hear it. Other than brr brr deng and bugles, they bring very little to the table lol
I think it’s wild how many ppl for got when uzi debut with XO tour life he consistently said an influence was Marylyn Mason.
The LOCO breakdown riff lives on in modern HC 😂
I’ll keep listening to my Limp and Korn albums. Almost 40 and not interested in the new stuff. It’s what I grew up with and I’m not gonna pretend I wasn’t all in back then. No shame here.
Exactly. Some people today refuse to get old with integrity and be true to who they are. Instead, they choose to capitulate to the young generation for fear of becoming irrelevant. Personally, I'm completely fine with being the old guy that listens to nu metal. I see no valid reason to change simply to appease others.
the algorithm has already suggested Coolea's video to ANYONE already subscribed to THIS channel two months ago
Finn i know its off topic but have you heard the two new tracks from Job For a Cowboy and are you excited for their first new album in ten years? maybe a myspace core revival?
My favorite band's first two records are considered nu-metal and I like several other bands who get lumped in with the rest. I eventually stopped trying to explain how the bands I liked were different from Limp Bizkit, but I've given up and just embrace the label of "nu-metal fan."
As for the steep drop-off in quality after the top tier bands, I think the same could be said of almost any genre.
I LIKE Coal Chamber! I saw them live in the early 2000s with Five Pointe O in Chicago Heights Il.
The sad thing about nu-metal is that even the biggest of those bands made an amazing debut LP (that was basically a demo), then made a good first proper studio LP - then were absolutely wack from that point onwards.
The nu-metal bands that missed the first wave, then also missed the first two good LP's and moved straight to wackness.
Incidentally, the dropped "t" (or dropped "h") in England is all regional variations. You should listen to Bristolians. They add "l" to words that don't have them. "Bananals"...
I'm such a numetal nerd I know all the obscure ass bands I'll argue that most of those c and d tier bands are better than most of the big ones. I have over 4000 CDs and I'd say 2000 of them are numetal lol
4000!!!?? Wow you have a whole music store! I miss buying cds these days. I still have a lot of my collection in cd books.
People bring up Bring the Noise (1991) as the beginning of Nu Metal but in fact they should bring up Anthrax "I'm the Man" (1987), they combined metal and rap 4 years earlier.
“!SHuT UP WhEN IM taLkinG To YoU!!” Sums up the entire essence of nu metal. I’m proud to say that I had the most nu-metally insane sense of hate for nu metal (which I like to refer to as Walmart-core) since day one. I even got in fights with my best friends on several occasions over it. Was I being an ignorant pretentious dick? Absolutely. But I still support teenage me’s sentiment (though I no longer feel the need to tell everyone and be right about it-except in the occasional UA-cam comment section).
Hey I'm only 19 I discovered nu-metal on my own. My whole family listened to country and old rock. I fell in love with everything about the genre and I'll wear the cringe on my sleeve😂😂
Coolea is the bro that keeps it on the planks.
Finn on bass: "... or it has to be down around his knees and bent over like a Fentanyl zombie..."
Me: "Way to call out Paul Gray."
My brother in Christ, how is Mudvayne mid?
Back when I was a die hard techno kid who wouldn't listen to anything not rave related, Korn (along with The Prodigy) made it ok for me to listen to band music. Korn is basically electronic music made in a metal format.
I don’t see un metal to being really metal I see it like a poser music. It’s more hip-hop gangster stuff then metal.
It sounds more like a sub-genre of grunge to me. Definitely doesn’t sound like metal, at least not to people who actually listen to metal.
Skindred are one of the best live bands that I have ever seen. Always lively and totally original.
Have you ever done a video on Hot Mulligan?
People are resistant to include Deftones in Nü Metal because the band, themselves, spent YEARS telling us not to do that exact thing 😂 they didn’t love being lumped into the genre
I think deftones and system of a down are actually alternative metal. They get called nu metal because they emerged out of the nu metal era and toured with nu metal bands. They are nu metal adjacent alternative metal bands but not nu metal bands.
I saw Korn with Wool in March/April of 1994. There might have been 30 people at that show, tops.