They tried to have this love triangle, but the entire Fandom was cheering for them to be together cause it meant Squirrelflight was free from Bramblestar.
Also if they were to become official, would Bramblestar continue to insult kittypets when he’s dating one? (Though there’s Squirrelflight but c’mon, no one acknowledges that she has kitty pet blood anymore)
Why do you think that she wanted to escape? It seems like Squirrelflight didn't want to leave Bramblestar and she genuinely loves him. And if you're talking about Bramblestar being an abuser, so Squirrelflight was kinda an abuser too, in Squirrelflight's hope. Her whole behavior was completely unreasonable and out of character in this book
Please calm down everyone I have seen this before a hundred times . Neither of you will change anyone’s mind if you attack each other so calm down and simply try to understand each other . And please if you have not read warrior cats do not try to join in the fight . Also please use info from the books only please . And remember be kind , respectful and patient,try to understand each other’s opinions and don’t yell.
@@Missmultyfandomin my opinion, I think that being with bramblestar kinda ruined Squirrelflight which is why her attitude is sometimes… weird. I think Squirrelflight doesn’t realize what bramblestar is doing to her.
i remember loving jessy when i read bramblestar's storm. granted, i was like, 11 or 12, and i haven't read it since. she still has my respect for outright saying to bramblestar that holly/jay/lion are still his kits because he raised them, regardless of whether or not theyre blood related. the Only warriors cats character who believes in adoption
@@waddle..666 ...yet he also pressured Thunder to go live with his biological father who was a murderer, as well as understanding when his and Turtle Tail's kits decided to go visit their abusive biological father that was the reason their mother had died. I'm not saying you can't like him. I like him, I just like the fanon version of him where he isn't an ableist, fatphobic, victim-blaming abuse apologist who, unfortunately, isn't nearly as progressive as the fans treat him as.
@@sagefeather3405 He never pressured Thunder though?? If anything, he DIDN’T want him to leave at all. And who was he to stop them from seeing their father..they’re still cats, they have 0 idea what abuse is. Literally in the entirety of Dawn of the Clans he’s never genuinely blamed ANYONE for anything. It was a freak accident, and as much as I hate Tom there is no evidence providing he was trying to get Turtle Tail killed. He knew she would follow him, but he wouldn’t have known that car would hit her.
I listened to this video while at the gym then was scrolling through the comments in between sets, then had to do lateral pull downs while grinning like an idiot because of this comment.
My argument is that she's not a Mary Sue, but a Manic Pixie Dream Girl. She shows up in the life of a man child that is in a midlife crisis, is perfect and quirky and youthful but also wise. She fixes the man by being herself around him, and then fucks off into the distance, presumably to repeat the process.
I think it would be so funny if you did a talking video about Flametail. His only personality traits were being unreasonable at Lionblaze and being so dead that he accidentally made Dawnpelt memorable in oots lmao
I must heavily disagree, Flametail was AWESOME. He's unironically one of my favorite protagonists. He was very friendly and cool, and ShadowClan actually felt like a nice unified Clan rather than the jumbled mess that was ThunderClan. I wish we could've kept his POV forever
@SkiggsMoDiggs ...yeah that's fair. I thought the concept of him being mad that he died was super cool, but I really don't like how fast they resolved it lol
friends... or more.. you know just, pushing ideas around.. ahahah, not that, i would never, uh.. write fanfic of them running away together and starting a new life witch of the woods style. ahem. ... jessquilf is a cute ship name tho
You talking about "mary sues" and their presence on the warrior cats fandom is really insightful. I was on artfight this July and i saw a lot of younger people talking about their ocs and leaving notes like "i don't want them to be a mary sue >.>" And its kinda sad :( having an oc is so much more fun when you just do whatever you want without feeling the need to run it thru the Mary Sue Test one hundred times.
For real! Even the person who made the old Mary Sue Test quiz has long since disowned it. It's sad to me that this is still a thing kids are being weird about.
@@LeafpooltheMedicineCat A Mary sue / Gary sue is a term used in many fandoms to describe a cat who is the definition of flawless, perfect, and never does anything wrong. Most Mary sues are usually OC's, but can occasionally appear in books. A Mary Sue is female. A Gary Sue is Male.
My favorite part of every mini-talking is the part where moon explicitly says she's not taking suggestions for future talking videos in the comments, and yet the comments are full of suggestions anyways. I'd.. mostly forgotten about Jessy, to be honest! I haven't read Bramblestar's Storm since it came out and as a hopeless Blackstar stan it mostly exists in my mind as the book where Blackstar dies.
Oh, thank you for telling me that! I can't watch videos right away, so I post the comments before I watch the video to increase the chance that they're seen. I'll delete my comment now.
i wonder how many people even actually watch the videos or just click on it with the sole purpose of commenting their suggestions, really makes you think
@@sagefeather3405 you're welcome! she says it at the end of the vids, but in general the mini-talkings don't take suggestions ever, only the main talking videos
I wanted to talk about the part with Squilf being jealous about Jessy. When Squilf was somewhat courting Ashfur in a sense, Brambleclaw was very jealous and upset. And they were also on the path to being mates but they weren’t exactly dating. I’ve seen a bit of hypocrisy on comments on other videos I’ve seen about Squilf being jealous of Brambleclaw when it was completely fine for him to be jealous of her later on in her life. Jessy I feel wasn’t insanely bad as a character, she just kind of was there to bring Brambleclaw and Squilf back together and point out that his kids are his kids even if they aren’t blood related. Which I wish that Squilf and Brambleclaw didn’t get back together but I’m glad about her showing him that he could love his adopted kits. She did her purpose well
I often come back to this video to play “Ooh, my wife? Hm 👀 what an idea 👀” over and over again. I cannot, the delivery is SO FUNNY to me for some reason
you should do goldenflower for your next talking video!! her dynamic w Tigerstar is very interesting to me and the fact that she somehow is one of the actually good and present moms in the series despite her entire family being.. who they are is super cool to me
With how Jessy seems to have a lot of the same personality traits as Squirrelflight, and how she’s apparently “younger” than her, Bramblestar’s interest in her becomes all the more uncomfortable as she’s basically a younger version of his ex-wife who doesn’t argue with him and adores him. I heard a lot of people say they wish Jessy and Bramblestar could’ve gotten together and they seemed like a good match, and yeah, they might’ve been a good match until Bramblestar does something Jessy doesn’t agree with and resists him. Honestly, Jessy’s more in line with the original Mary Sue from that Star Trek parody fanfic, as she comes in, is portrayed as a younger but just as capable as the more experienced folks around her, dazzles at least one of the main characters, and then leaves as to not disturb the peace
Personally I don't like Jessy, but I wish they would've had more development between her and Bramblestar rather than her being rude and abrasive and him instantly falling for her. Squirrelflight was also skilled, rude and hotheaded when she was younger, and he hated her before the journey. Of course she was an apprentice then, but it still took an entire series for them to get together or at the very least admit their feelings.
I was always confused at how Jessy, a kittypet, was a top athlete hunting master in the warrior cats world also can we talk about how completely undignified cloudtail's adorably fluffy minifigure looks??!?
I loved the video! I think Jesssy is an interesting character that should've been developed a bit more. For future talk videos i suggest Stormfur if you haven't talked about him. He lost his closest family and was practically kidnapped by the tribe who exiled him a few books later because he was trying to help , just to be exiled from the clan he was born and raised in because of Hawkfrost. And i think , out of the cats in the journey , he has the healthiest relationship with his mate.
I know this is a mini talking, but I'd love to see a talking video about Crookedstar at some point in the future! I thought his relationship with Mapleshade was really interesting.
Honestly I had wished so much that they did more with her and goosefeather and crookedstar, like she's very motherly in a weird way and those two couldve actually opened up an opportunity for her to be even more rightfully hateful toward the clans, and then maybe a chance to be redeemed
I say that Jessy and Squilf should have both just disregarded Bramblestar and fell in love with each other, but the authors are cowards and will never let me have canon lesbian battle cats
I want to see a video about daisy! She has such a strong personality and she's there since they moved to the new territory. She has a lot of children but everyone except berrynose has no personality. I always loved her friendship with Ferncloud and how she takes care of Cherryfall and molewhisker when they're young. Just a suggestion tho (And daisy's kin is really underrated)
@@jeriko_studios lmao yes I still wish the other kids would've gotten a bit more attention in omen of the stars foxleap and rosepetal have some really interesting conversations and seem like actual friends. That was forgotten sooo quickly
Still commenting for a video on Russetfur. For a character that was Shadowclan's deputy under Blackstar, i actually remember being interested in her as soon as she was introduced in Yellowfang's Secret. Every book after that, i always looked foward to whenever she shows up, literallt up until she was killed by Lionblaze. For a stray that was picked up by Shadowclan, thr fact that she became Shadowclan's deputy was really impressive to me and was actually someone that Blackstar and her clan mourns after her death.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Jesse isn't a Mary Sue, she's a plot device in order to get Squilf and Bramblestar back together. Could she have become a Mary Sue if she had stuck around? I doubt it. Chances are she would have suffered the same fate as most female characters in this series once they become irrelevant to the main plot. A Mary Sue isn't just perfect. A Mary Sue is the center of the stories universe. The closest this series has ever come to a Mary Sue is Firestar in that regard but that is mostly because he was literally the only POV and main character of his series and therefor the super awesome plot points all were influenced by him. Even then, he wasn't the center of everything. So yeah, again, I agree with the statement that there hasn't really been a Mary Sue in the Warriors Cat books and with the way things are being written there probably wont ever be one.
Absolutely loved the analysis on what being a Mary Sue is! I’ve never been able to fully define it myself- it’s just something I kinda knew existed and I tried to avoid creating as a kid- but I’ll probably from here on out be using your definition as reference.
I’m not sure if she’s actually meant be perfect, keeping in mind that our point of view character is Bramblestar who’s blindly in love with her. there might be flaws that Bramble didn’t acknowledge or made excuses for? I hope this makes sense😅
They should bring back Jessy and keep her as a "force of nature" who shows up to teach the protagonist a valuable lesson and then leaves. I want her to show up this arc, tell Frostpaw who killed Reedwhisker, and then vanish into the ether until her abilities are needed once more.
The idea of Leaf becoming a recurring character is so funny to me because we truly would forget about his existence completely between every appearance. I would have the check the wiki just go remember who he is each time 😂
I think It'll be fun to talk about Thrushpelt, he's a good character who is always kinda overlooked because of his one appearance as Bluefur's friend and/or love interest but I love it thay he takes in Bluefur's kits as his own, he is the bestest boy
I think calling Jessy a mary sue is completely correct, shes framed as never being wrong, despite probably very wrong in some points. Also we can take her perfect fighting and perfect hunting as... Velvet. Velvet makes the idea of "well she could be good at that"and SHATTERS IT. Velvet is good at hunting and maybe fighting because she was a stray for a while, it was a necessary for her to live or she would actually die (and if Velvet dies the world dies), only a few kittypets could really do that, and its because News flash They hunt regularly (as a sport usually), or, they were taught by a parent, and Jessy has met absolutely none of those three requirements, shes just magically great at it. Like heres the google definition for a mary sue "type of female character who is depicted as unrealistically lacking in flaws or weaknesses." That is literally Jessy, she is literally lacking in a large amount of flaws or weaknesses, and honestly, she has none I think i have a stronger disdane for Jessy than past Moonkitti
eh that doesn't change the fact it's a bad term with a strong very strong misogynistic history and while you can argue until your blue in the face whether it fits her or not it's...best to put the term to rest. it's not even a good or helpful term even without that messy history attached because it lacks so much nuance that's needed for things like this. it should've stayed in the 2010s where it belongs let the thing die
@@meevins i disagree. i think of it as a term to describe a symptom of a mysogynistic view on women, rather than making women have strong character with nuance, they must be perfect at everything (particularly things considered important to masculinity like fighting and hunting) or else the story should punish them for not being perfect, often by hurting them so that the protagonist can have an emotional moment. such as when squilf died so that bramble could have a brief change of heart, or starclan punishing leafpool for not being perfect, despite following vague orders from a starclan cat. writers hear "we need strong female characters" and still dont write them as people, but in such a way that seems to 'make up' for them being female characters. hence mary sues are bad, but in the same way that coughing when you have the flue is bad, we should manage the symptom and treat it so we have energy (and the resources) to tackle the bigger issue
@@colorfulmarbles156 wepp see Lionblaze has made very glaring mistakes both he, other cats, and the narrative acknowledge, Cinderheart also, and neither are framed as being constantly correct. And their kids frankly, besides Fernsong, have had no personality that can dictate them as a Mary sue, especially since Hollytuft is very constant wrong because of their xenophobia. And Fernsong isn't a bad character, he has flaws but also is one of the only mates in warrior cats who talks to their partner at length about having kits, and makes a plan for them so all parties are comfortable
I would love a video on Crookedstar! He seemed to be a fan favorite back in the day, appearing at the top of all "Top 10 best Warrior cats Characters" videos I used to watch in 2013-2015. Nowadays he seems like a pretty forgotten character.
Honestly, I think it would have been really interesting if Jessy had stayed. It would be interesting if the writers had to figure out what to do with her. And yeah, the reason I find that interesting is *because* she was so clearly written to be a temporary fixture but… I dunno, I think Bramblestar getting to have ongoing complicated feelings about dating her would be more appealing than her just being completely forgotten. I don’t entirely like how she was written (honestly Bramblestar’s Storm is one of my least favorite warriors books,) but I don’t necessarily dislike *her.*
I kinda thought it would be cool if bramblestar and squirrelflight broke up, with bramblestar and Jessy becoming a couple, problem is, who would squirrelflight get with then? Ashfur was gone, and thanks to firestar and cloudtail, squirrelflight is related to everyone in Thunderclan.
Also I'm sure I've stated this before but I've always subscribed to the Protectors of the Plot Continuum idea of a Mary Sue: A character (regardless of gender) whose abilities, relationships, etc make no sense within the context of the story. It will bend itself around the Sue to make them the center of attention even when unreasonable to do so, and any flaws or challenges they may face are merely cosmetic in nature and have no significant consequences. It just bothers me whenever the term is thrown around willy nilly.
Oh I loved Jessie. People say that shes just Squirrelflight but less likely to argue and like... yes. She is not the kind of cat to destabilize her relationship with every idea she has. If you and your partner keep fighting, and you find someone who is your type who does not fight with you. Its not really a question of who is more compatible.
The best definition I've ever heard for what constitutes a "Mary Sue" is as follows: "A Mary Sue is a character who, for no genuine or comedic reason, the rules of the franchise's universe do not apply to them."
I would love if you talked about palebird. She was kinda weird to me. She was grieving for Tallkits entire kithood and barely have a good conversation. When he was going to kill sparrow palebird doesn’t even acknowledge it. And when he came back to save his half-brothers and sisters palebird doesn’t even thank him. She didn’t give him the care at all and made him think that he should have died instead of finchkit because of that.
Could you please do a talking video about Littlecloud? I love him, and he has a really nice friendship with Cinderpelt. He also has a very interesting backstory for someone who isn’t a main character.
I hated Jessy when I was a teen, as I wanted BramblexSquilf again... for some reason... but now I kinda just wish he'd gotten with Jessy so Squilf could move on. Whether that means finding a new mate, or being happy alone. Also ooh, Mousefur video sounds great. I hope we end up getting a Star Flower one eventually (I think that got second place for likes one time?) I desire Moonkitti's feelings on her
Can’t wait for Squirrelflight to die on her way to moonpool and for Jesse to magically materialize so Bramblestar can resume being leader of Thunderclan. /sarcastic Clearsky went through two - three mates before Starflower did her character 180 and went to be with him. We can’t have high expectations, because the new team probably doesn’t know what we’re expecting.
when she left thunderclan i was like "OH SHES GONNA GO FIND SKYCLAN SO SHE'LL STILL BE AROUND!!" cause i knew skyclan came back in avos and shes like Specifically good at jumping and hunts birds then she didnt so, rip that idea
I would LOVE to show that Onestar to Stargleam scale to someone who hasn't seen this video and make them guess what the original criteria is also *points at the one (1) frame of briarlight* there she is
I would really like to see a video about Mousefur or Tallpoppy! They are both very underrated she-cats in which they would be very interesting to talk about imo.
Jessy is introduced as older, having greyish hairs on her muzzle. I dont know where the idea that shes younger comes from, except for maybe her being fitter then squirrelflight in a scene or two. But if shes got grey hair shes probably much older then squilf and maybe older then bramble too.
I’d love a talking video on fallen leaves! I think he’s one of the most unique characters in the series lore wise and I was honestly shocked to hear you not like him much in your ships video
I know you don't normally take suggestions on mini-talking videos, but could you do one on sorreltail? she's been my favorite warrior cats character for a long time and there's basically zero content of her tbh. she's just kinda.. in the background, only really used as a bodyguard for leafpool in the second Arc, but that's one of the reasons why I like her so much! from what we can see of her character, she's brave, reliable, motherly, and adventurous. which isn't saying alot for a warrior cats character, to be honest, but that leaves us with so much room to infer about her character! she could be literally whatever you want her to be, while at the same time still having a somewhat consistent character throughout her life
I would love a video on the sisters, they are unique in the fact that they are one of the few groups that don't have have leaders or healers... Or toms apparently
6:47 at this exact moment, I got an add.. I am not looking at my phone as I have it on for background noise. so all I hear is "for a character to be considered a Mary Sue, by me, I think that character needs to be- *Dramatic music* Nick Fury it appears you're not dead." 😂 I've never laughed so hard in my life
Day 2 of asking for: 1. Honeyfern 2. Sorreltail 3. Cinderheart/Cinderpelt 4. Brightheart or Cloudtail 5. Ravenpaw (no questions asked 6. Bumblestripe 7. Whitestorm 8. Scourge 9. Thornclaw 10. Someone from DOFC (maybe Clear Sky? 11. Bristlefrost/Rootpaw 12. Dovewing 13. Ivypool 14. Snowfur 15. Thistleclaw 16. Darkstripe 17. Pinestar 18. Feathertail/Stormfur 19. Mousefur (can’t do longtail without her 20. Whitewing 21. Hazeltail (I love her but hate how little she’s used besides in Sunrise for the mission 22. Tigerheart 23: Sleekwhisker 24. Mapleshade (would be fun 25. Alderheart 26. Hawkfrost 27. MOTHWING 28. Goosefeather/Moonflower 29: Dovewing/Squilf 30. Bumble/Turtletail/Graywing (from dawn of the clans 31. Dawnpelt (I’d love to see a video about her grief 32. Flametail 33. Hollyleaf/tuft 34. Seedpaw 35. Swiftpaw 36. Sweetpaw 37. Patchkit, Petalkit, Larchkit (Mapleshade until 40 38. Ravenwing/Oakstar 39. Nettlebreeze 40. Darktail 41. Onestar 42. Tallstar 43. Shrewclaw 44. Gremlin 45. Minnowtail 46. Feathertail 47. Tawnypelt 48. Goldenflower
May I ask you someting Moonkitti? What do you use to make your animations, in your short, 3-4 minute videos? I would really appreciate you telling me. P.S. I LOVE your videos! ❤🧡💛💚💙💜🤍🖤🤎
Please tell me someone has written a fanfic where Jessy realizes how toxic Bramble is to Squilf and calls him out on it. Imagine Jessy bringing in all sorts of new ideas into the clans, forcing them to readjust how they treat each other and how they handle interpersonal conflicts and such! She just pulls squilf aside and says, “Heyyy, do you know what ABUSE is? Girlie, you need to run”
I would love to see you talk about ravenwing from mapleshades vengeance, a medicine cat who read an omen wrong and got murdered by one of warrors most famous villains, Mapleshade. I think hes a super interesting character, died young. Got an omen wrong, and in general a cool character. Too bad people dont like him cause they are sruck in Mapleshades head.
where was it said that he read it wrong? also ravenwing admitted to mapleshade that he knew revealing her secret would put her children in danger and make their lives miserable yet he went ahead with it anyway, pretty sure that's [understandably] why people do not like him
I think he read the omen right, but most now believe that it was instead about the kits and Mapleshade being swept in the river? I don’t see how that’s possible but alright
As much as a part of me is going LOLYes to this, I feel like either Bramblestar would just abuse and tear her down too like he did Squilf and thus make us realize egging them to get together was a bad idea too, or they'd be the most annoying couple in the series with Jessy enabling Bramblestar's toxicity and nothing be done about it. :x
They tried to have this love triangle, but the entire Fandom was cheering for them to be together cause it meant Squirrelflight was free from Bramblestar.
Also if they were to become official, would Bramblestar continue to insult kittypets when he’s dating one? (Though there’s Squirrelflight but c’mon, no one acknowledges that she has kitty pet blood anymore)
Only issue is who does squirrelflight marry after bramblestar and Jessy become a couple.
@@OverwatchVSNullSector she can be on her own!!
@@Littlefox1213This is a warning sign that Jessy is in a bad relationship.
@@soviwaveSQUILF SHALL SLAYBOSS AND GIRLBOSS
I love how the fandom was cheering as Jessy and Bramblestar got closer. Can’t believe that we thought Bramble would let Squilf escape THAT easily.
Why do you think that she wanted to escape? It seems like Squirrelflight didn't want to leave Bramblestar and she genuinely loves him. And if you're talking about Bramblestar being an abuser, so Squirrelflight was kinda an abuser too, in Squirrelflight's hope. Her whole behavior was completely unreasonable and out of character in this book
@@MissmultyfandomGenuinely bad take right here
@@perkuu6937 Sorry, do you saying I'm wrong?
Please calm down everyone I have seen this before a hundred times . Neither of you will change anyone’s mind if you attack each other so calm down and simply try to understand each other . And please if you have not read warrior cats do not try to join in the fight . Also please use info from the books only please . And remember be kind , respectful and patient,try to understand each other’s opinions and don’t yell.
@@Missmultyfandomin my opinion, I think that being with bramblestar kinda ruined Squirrelflight which is why her attitude is sometimes… weird. I think Squirrelflight doesn’t realize what bramblestar is doing to her.
i remember loving jessy when i read bramblestar's storm. granted, i was like, 11 or 12, and i haven't read it since. she still has my respect for outright saying to bramblestar that holly/jay/lion are still his kits because he raised them, regardless of whether or not theyre blood related. the Only warriors cats character who believes in adoption
The two cats I think believe in adoption : Jessy and Gray Wing
@@LiaLeaderOfChatClanGray Wing basically invented adoption hell
Yep :D@@waddle..666
@@waddle..666 ...yet he also pressured Thunder to go live with his biological father who was a murderer, as well as understanding when his and Turtle Tail's kits decided to go visit their abusive biological father that was the reason their mother had died.
I'm not saying you can't like him. I like him, I just like the fanon version of him where he isn't an ableist, fatphobic, victim-blaming abuse apologist who, unfortunately, isn't nearly as progressive as the fans treat him as.
@@sagefeather3405 He never pressured Thunder though?? If anything, he DIDN’T want him to leave at all. And who was he to stop them from seeing their father..they’re still cats, they have 0 idea what abuse is. Literally in the entirety of Dawn of the Clans he’s never genuinely blamed ANYONE for anything. It was a freak accident, and as much as I hate Tom there is no evidence providing he was trying to get Turtle Tail killed. He knew she would follow him, but he wouldn’t have known that car would hit her.
"JESSY WE NEED TO COOK!"- Bramblestar, probably.
I listened to this video while at the gym then was scrolling through the comments in between sets, then had to do lateral pull downs while grinning like an idiot because of this comment.
[● It should be illegal to be this funny
I knew the breaking bad jokes were going to happen but oh my god I didn't think they would be this clever]
@@R4WRY_Creepy_Claws Thank you, I appreciate it!
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My argument is that she's not a Mary Sue, but a Manic Pixie Dream Girl.
She shows up in the life of a man child that is in a midlife crisis, is perfect and quirky and youthful but also wise. She fixes the man by being herself around him, and then fucks off into the distance, presumably to repeat the process.
I think it would be so funny if you did a talking video about Flametail. His only personality traits were being unreasonable at Lionblaze and being so dead that he accidentally made Dawnpelt memorable in oots lmao
Being unreasonable is like the primary character trait of Twanypelt’s kids
@@dreamiinotdream730they get it from their mother
for some reason I loved flametail when I was younger?? 😭😭 I’d love a video on him
I must heavily disagree, Flametail was AWESOME. He's unironically one of my favorite protagonists. He was very friendly and cool, and ShadowClan actually felt like a nice unified Clan rather than the jumbled mess that was ThunderClan. I wish we could've kept his POV forever
@SkiggsMoDiggs ...yeah that's fair. I thought the concept of him being mad that he died was super cool, but I really don't like how fast they resolved it lol
We need a video about Velvet's supernatural softness.
yasss
I wish Jessy and Squilf had become friends because I love sassy cats and I need more of them
Me, who has a whole Jessy x Squirrelflight au
friends... or more.. you know just, pushing ideas around.. ahahah, not that, i would never, uh.. write fanfic of them running away together and starting a new life witch of the woods style.
ahem.
... jessquilf is a cute ship name tho
And historians will call them...
You talking about "mary sues" and their presence on the warrior cats fandom is really insightful. I was on artfight this July and i saw a lot of younger people talking about their ocs and leaving notes like "i don't want them to be a mary sue >.>" And its kinda sad :( having an oc is so much more fun when you just do whatever you want without feeling the need to run it thru the Mary Sue Test one hundred times.
For real! Even the person who made the old Mary Sue Test quiz has long since disowned it. It's sad to me that this is still a thing kids are being weird about.
I Don’t actually know what a Mary Sue is 😅
@@LeafpooltheMedicineCat A Mary sue / Gary sue is a term used in many fandoms to describe a cat who is the definition of flawless, perfect, and never does anything wrong. Most Mary sues are usually OC's, but can occasionally appear in books.
A Mary Sue is female.
A Gary Sue is Male.
jessie was smart enough to see she would also end up depressed and divorced like squilf and just pushed bramblestar towards her and ran
My favorite part of every mini-talking is the part where moon explicitly says she's not taking suggestions for future talking videos in the comments, and yet the comments are full of suggestions anyways.
I'd.. mostly forgotten about Jessy, to be honest! I haven't read Bramblestar's Storm since it came out and as a hopeless Blackstar stan it mostly exists in my mind as the book where Blackstar dies.
Oh, thank you for telling me that! I can't watch videos right away, so I post the comments before I watch the video to increase the chance that they're seen. I'll delete my comment now.
i wonder how many people even actually watch the videos or just click on it with the sole purpose of commenting their suggestions, really makes you think
@@sagefeather3405 you're welcome! she says it at the end of the vids, but in general the mini-talkings don't take suggestions ever, only the main talking videos
I selfishly love how exasperated Moonkitti sounds talking about 10 year old cat drama
I wanted to talk about the part with Squilf being jealous about Jessy. When Squilf was somewhat courting Ashfur in a sense, Brambleclaw was very jealous and upset. And they were also on the path to being mates but they weren’t exactly dating. I’ve seen a bit of hypocrisy on comments on other videos I’ve seen about Squilf being jealous of Brambleclaw when it was completely fine for him to be jealous of her later on in her life.
Jessy I feel wasn’t insanely bad as a character, she just kind of was there to bring Brambleclaw and Squilf back together and point out that his kids are his kids even if they aren’t blood related. Which I wish that Squilf and Brambleclaw didn’t get back together but I’m glad about her showing him that he could love his adopted kits. She did her purpose well
I often come back to this video to play “Ooh, my wife? Hm 👀 what an idea 👀” over and over again. I cannot, the delivery is SO FUNNY to me for some reason
you should do goldenflower for your next talking video!! her dynamic w Tigerstar is very interesting to me and the fact that she somehow is one of the actually good and present moms in the series despite her entire family being.. who they are is super cool to me
YASSS
Sorry but she doesn't take suggestions on the mini talking videos. Only on the main ones, but good idea though
@@RainbowRatArt oh, i didn't know that lol. i'll keep it in mind for next time then :>
@rainbowrat3542 really? The Jessy suggestion is the top comment on the icewing mini talking
@rainbowrat3542 really? This Jessy suggestion was the top comment on the icewing video
With how Jessy seems to have a lot of the same personality traits as Squirrelflight, and how she’s apparently “younger” than her, Bramblestar’s interest in her becomes all the more uncomfortable as she’s basically a younger version of his ex-wife who doesn’t argue with him and adores him.
I heard a lot of people say they wish Jessy and Bramblestar could’ve gotten together and they seemed like a good match, and yeah, they might’ve been a good match until Bramblestar does something Jessy doesn’t agree with and resists him.
Honestly, Jessy’s more in line with the original Mary Sue from that Star Trek parody fanfic, as she comes in, is portrayed as a younger but just as capable as the more experienced folks around her, dazzles at least one of the main characters, and then leaves as to not disturb the peace
Personally I don't like Jessy, but I wish they would've had more development between her and Bramblestar rather than her being rude and abrasive and him instantly falling for her. Squirrelflight was also skilled, rude and hotheaded when she was younger, and he hated her before the journey. Of course she was an apprentice then, but it still took an entire series for them to get together or at the very least admit their feelings.
I was always confused at how Jessy, a kittypet, was a top athlete hunting master in the warrior cats world
also can we talk about how completely undignified cloudtail's adorably fluffy minifigure looks??!?
I'm glad somebody else feels the same way, Cloudtail's minifigure looks so big and goofy, but I guess it's accurate????
Fun Fact: Today is actually the 9th anniversary of Bramblestar's Storm
Oooh!
Jessy is 9 years old!
it should have never been made tbh
Why?
So AVoS, The Broken Code, and A Starless Clan should’ve never seen the day of light?@@miawmiawmiawmi
@@colorfulmarbles156 no lmao i just hate the book. im being dramatic.
The Onestar to Stargleam scale is sending me, it is perfect, I shall fit all characters on this scale
I loved the video! I think Jesssy is an interesting character that should've been developed a bit more. For future talk videos i suggest Stormfur if you haven't talked about him. He lost his closest family and was practically kidnapped by the tribe who exiled him a few books later because he was trying to help , just to be exiled from the clan he was born and raised in because of Hawkfrost. And i think , out of the cats in the journey , he has the healthiest relationship with his mate.
Yes please, I would love that
I haven't finished moonlight yet so I read that and I was like "HE HAS A MATE???" Just a semi-funny anecdote
@@Totallynotredtail XD
FREE SQUIRRELFLIGHT! FREE SQUIRRELFLIGHT! FREE SQUIRRELFLIGHT!
I know this is a mini talking, but I'd love to see a talking video about Crookedstar at some point in the future! I thought his relationship with Mapleshade was really interesting.
Honestly I had wished so much that they did more with her and goosefeather and crookedstar, like she's very motherly in a weird way and those two couldve actually opened up an opportunity for her to be even more rightfully hateful toward the clans, and then maybe a chance to be redeemed
I say that Jessy and Squilf should have both just disregarded Bramblestar and fell in love with each other, but the authors are cowards and will never let me have canon lesbian battle cats
Seriously though that would be much better than witnessing the 18 1/2 relationship fights/breakups Squirrelfight and Bramblestar get into every arc 😒
DEFINITELY
saphic sass cats saphic sass cats saphic sass cats =D
I want to see a video about daisy! She has such a strong personality and she's there since they moved to the new territory. She has a lot of children but everyone except berrynose has no personality. I always loved her friendship with Ferncloud and how she takes care of Cherryfall and molewhisker when they're young. Just a suggestion tho
(And daisy's kin is really underrated)
Oh berrynose had a personality, it was just an insufferable one
@@jeriko_studios yeah totally but look at him compared to someone like mousewhisker or rosepetal
@@smarrtie2571 well thats just comparing a narc to... normal people
@@jeriko_studios lmao yes I still wish the other kids would've gotten a bit more attention in omen of the stars foxleap and rosepetal have some really interesting conversations and seem like actual friends. That was forgotten sooo quickly
Jessy: she's a cat
jessy..we need to fight the wither storm..
''bristlefrost, for being a girl''.
Still commenting for a video on Russetfur. For a character that was Shadowclan's deputy under Blackstar, i actually remember being interested in her as soon as she was introduced in Yellowfang's Secret. Every book after that, i always looked foward to whenever she shows up, literallt up until she was killed by Lionblaze. For a stray that was picked up by Shadowclan, thr fact that she became Shadowclan's deputy was really impressive to me and was actually someone that Blackstar and her clan mourns after her death.
I agree russet fur was my favorite character once (then came bluestar’s prophecy)
Same
I really loved her backstory in Yellowfang’s Secret
Jessy is too underrated! I'm just confused on why she'd like Brambleclaw-
Maybe she has a thing for leadership
[● Aren't we all]
she was so rude towards squilf😭
"Bristlefrost, for being a girl" 😭
I love that Moon's sense of humor still shines even in her more analytical videos.
Samee omg @@legrandliseurtri7495
Couldn't have said it better myself. Jesse isn't a Mary Sue, she's a plot device in order to get Squilf and Bramblestar back together. Could she have become a Mary Sue if she had stuck around? I doubt it. Chances are she would have suffered the same fate as most female characters in this series once they become irrelevant to the main plot.
A Mary Sue isn't just perfect. A Mary Sue is the center of the stories universe. The closest this series has ever come to a Mary Sue is Firestar in that regard but that is mostly because he was literally the only POV and main character of his series and therefor the super awesome plot points all were influenced by him. Even then, he wasn't the center of everything. So yeah, again, I agree with the statement that there hasn't really been a Mary Sue in the Warriors Cat books and with the way things are being written there probably wont ever be one.
Squilf can’t jump or swim because she’s smol kitty. While Jesse is noodle leg kitty
Absolutely loved the analysis on what being a Mary Sue is!
I’ve never been able to fully define it myself- it’s just something I kinda knew existed and I tried to avoid creating as a kid- but I’ll probably from here on out be using your definition as reference.
Moon: This is a mini-talking video so I won’t be taking suggestions in this one
Comments: CAN YOU DO A VIDEO ABOUT-
I’m not sure if she’s actually meant be perfect, keeping in mind that our point of view character is Bramblestar who’s blindly in love with her. there might be flaws that Bramble didn’t acknowledge or made excuses for? I hope this makes sense😅
They should bring back Jessy and keep her as a "force of nature" who shows up to teach the protagonist a valuable lesson and then leaves. I want her to show up this arc, tell Frostpaw who killed Reedwhisker, and then vanish into the ether until her abilities are needed once more.
I would die laughing if Jessie came out of nowhere and revealed the whole mystery just like that 😂
she was actually the fourth cat and thats her power
So Rock?
Love how moonkitti's little ear swirls get farther and farther apart from her head as the video goes on
The idea of Leaf becoming a recurring character is so funny to me because we truly would forget about his existence completely between every appearance. I would have the check the wiki just go remember who he is each time 😂
💫I would love a mini-talking about cody! (From the new phreophecy) since most people forget about her- she was personally one of my favorites 😅💫
Omg I did forget about her!! She was so sweet too
I Know! She was soo amazing!
I think It'll be fun to talk about Thrushpelt, he's a good character who is always kinda overlooked because of his one appearance as Bluefur's friend and/or love interest but I love it thay he takes in Bluefur's kits as his own, he is the bestest boy
I think calling Jessy a mary sue is completely correct, shes framed as never being wrong, despite probably very wrong in some points. Also we can take her perfect fighting and perfect hunting as... Velvet. Velvet makes the idea of "well she could be good at that"and SHATTERS IT. Velvet is good at hunting and maybe fighting because she was a stray for a while, it was a necessary for her to live or she would actually die (and if Velvet dies the world dies), only a few kittypets could really do that, and its because
News flash
They hunt regularly (as a sport usually), or, they were taught by a parent, and Jessy has met absolutely none of those three requirements, shes just magically great at it.
Like heres the google definition for a mary sue
"type of female character who is depicted as unrealistically lacking in flaws or weaknesses."
That is literally Jessy, she is literally lacking in a large amount of flaws or weaknesses, and honestly, she has none
I think i have a stronger disdane for Jessy than past Moonkitti
eh that doesn't change the fact it's a bad term with a strong very strong misogynistic history and while you can argue until your blue in the face whether it fits her or not it's...best to put the term to rest. it's not even a good or helpful term even without that messy history attached because it lacks so much nuance that's needed for things like this. it should've stayed in the 2010s where it belongs let the thing die
@@meevins i disagree. i think of it as a term to describe a symptom of a mysogynistic view on women, rather than making women have strong character with nuance, they must be perfect at everything (particularly things considered important to masculinity like fighting and hunting)
or else the story should punish them for not being perfect, often by hurting them so that the protagonist can have an emotional moment. such as when squilf died so that bramble could have a brief change of heart, or starclan punishing leafpool for not being perfect, despite following vague orders from a starclan cat.
writers hear "we need strong female characters" and still dont write them as people, but in such a way that seems to 'make up' for them being female characters. hence mary sues are bad, but in the same way that coughing when you have the flue is bad, we should manage the symptom and treat it so we have energy (and the resources) to tackle the bigger issue
I think *Lionblaze* and *Cinderheart* and *ALL THEIR CHILDREN* are Mary Sues
@@colorfulmarbles156 wepp see Lionblaze has made very glaring mistakes both he, other cats, and the narrative acknowledge, Cinderheart also, and neither are framed as being constantly correct. And their kids frankly, besides Fernsong, have had no personality that can dictate them as a Mary sue, especially since Hollytuft is very constant wrong because of their xenophobia. And Fernsong isn't a bad character, he has flaws but also is one of the only mates in warrior cats who talks to their partner at length about having kits, and makes a plan for them so all parties are comfortable
Ooo Jessy's really interesting but could I suggest crookedstar again? He went through so much and still grew to become a wise powerful leader
I would love a video on Crookedstar! He seemed to be a fan favorite back in the day, appearing at the top of all "Top 10 best Warrior cats Characters" videos I used to watch in 2013-2015. Nowadays he seems like a pretty forgotten character.
Jessy should come back only to marry Squirrelflight, perfect series finale /j
Honestly, I think it would have been really interesting if Jessy had stayed. It would be interesting if the writers had to figure out what to do with her. And yeah, the reason I find that interesting is *because* she was so clearly written to be a temporary fixture but… I dunno, I think Bramblestar getting to have ongoing complicated feelings about dating her would be more appealing than her just being completely forgotten.
I don’t entirely like how she was written (honestly Bramblestar’s Storm is one of my least favorite warriors books,) but I don’t necessarily dislike *her.*
moonkitti, can i just say i absolutely LOVE your voice and style of drawing silly little cats? thanks!
I kinda thought it would be cool if bramblestar and squirrelflight broke up, with bramblestar and Jessy becoming a couple, problem is, who would squirrelflight get with then? Ashfur was gone, and thanks to firestar and cloudtail, squirrelflight is related to everyone in Thunderclan.
Why does she even need one?
Why would she need to get with anyone? Let this woman be free
I don't know, it just be fun to ship her with another tom I think.
I think Squilf and Jessie should get over Bramblestar and just kiss each other
Hell yeah! Fresh moonkitti vid to watch with breakfast!
Ah, Jayfeather being Jayfeather, classic
Also I'm sure I've stated this before but I've always subscribed to the Protectors of the Plot Continuum idea of a Mary Sue: A character (regardless of gender) whose abilities, relationships, etc make no sense within the context of the story. It will bend itself around the Sue to make them the center of attention even when unreasonable to do so, and any flaws or challenges they may face are merely cosmetic in nature and have no significant consequences.
It just bothers me whenever the term is thrown around willy nilly.
I think it could have been waaaaay more fun if Jesse stayed and did become mates with Bramblestar, idk could have been cool.
i honestly love jessy lol, always have. jessy/squirrelflight is real and true and beautiful
Oh I loved Jessie. People say that shes just Squirrelflight but less likely to argue and like... yes. She is not the kind of cat to destabilize her relationship with every idea she has. If you and your partner keep fighting, and you find someone who is your type who does not fight with you. Its not really a question of who is more compatible.
what if jessy came back as part of warriorclan or the sisters?
not that the new writers would remember her anyways...
new talking video! didn't expect a video about Jessy
The best definition I've ever heard for what constitutes a "Mary Sue" is as follows:
"A Mary Sue is a character who, for no genuine or comedic reason, the rules of the franchise's universe do not apply to them."
every couple of years i rewatch moonkitti videos and its very refreshing every time
I thought Jesse being a kittypet love interest to Bramblestar was mirroring Tigerstar and his relationship with Sasha after his exile and stuff.
I would love if you talked about palebird. She was kinda weird to me. She was grieving for Tallkits entire kithood and barely have a good conversation. When he was going to kill sparrow palebird doesn’t even acknowledge it. And when he came back to save his half-brothers and sisters palebird doesn’t even thank him. She didn’t give him the care at all and made him think that he should have died instead of finchkit because of that.
Could you please do a talking video about Littlecloud? I love him, and he has a really nice friendship with Cinderpelt. He also has a very interesting backstory for someone who isn’t a main character.
Oh yes Jessy, the new Millie.
I hated Jessy when I was a teen, as I wanted BramblexSquilf again... for some reason... but now I kinda just wish he'd gotten with Jessy so Squilf could move on. Whether that means finding a new mate, or being happy alone.
Also ooh, Mousefur video sounds great. I hope we end up getting a Star Flower one eventually (I think that got second place for likes one time?) I desire Moonkitti's feelings on her
I would love if you did a talking video about sandstorm! She’s my personal favorite and I think it would be fun to hear your opinions about her
I would LOVE to hear about Berrynose! Weird, i know, BUT HEAR ME OUT!
Can’t wait for Squirrelflight to die on her way to moonpool and for Jesse to magically materialize so Bramblestar can resume being leader of Thunderclan. /sarcastic
Clearsky went through two - three mates before Starflower did her character 180 and went to be with him. We can’t have high expectations, because the new team probably doesn’t know what we’re expecting.
Repeat after me: having two love interests does not make you a Mary Sue.
I feel like I'm the only one who absolutely hates jessy 😭
i cant stand herrr bro
I’ve never liked her either lol, not sure why because I love Squirrelflight haha
@@thestockimagequeen lmaoo same
Onestar to Stargleam scale is brilliant. Inspired. Fantastic.
Remember everyone, squilff is short. Like moonkitti, moonkitti is the mother
when she left thunderclan i was like "OH SHES GONNA GO FIND SKYCLAN SO SHE'LL STILL BE AROUND!!" cause i knew skyclan came back in avos and shes like Specifically good at jumping and hunts birds then she didnt so, rip that idea
... this is cannon now ...
Have not read this book but the way you draw Jessy makes me want to.
I would LOVE to show that Onestar to Stargleam scale to someone who hasn't seen this video and make them guess what the original criteria is
also *points at the one (1) frame of briarlight* there she is
Sol could be the next cat you talk to! He's a very interesting cat and his plot (in my opinion) is really cool!
I would really like to see a video about Mousefur or Tallpoppy! They are both very underrated she-cats in which they would be very interesting to talk about imo.
Mousefur
I ship her with Longtail
I think it's hilarious that you and sunny fall posted between 1 hour of each other :) Also i really love your videos
Jessy is introduced as older, having greyish hairs on her muzzle. I dont know where the idea that shes younger comes from, except for maybe her being fitter then squirrelflight in a scene or two. But if shes got grey hair shes probably much older then squilf and maybe older then bramble too.
Asking once again for a Barley talk :)
I’d love a talking video on fallen leaves! I think he’s one of the most unique characters in the series lore wise and I was honestly shocked to hear you not like him much in your ships video
Gaty Stu is the male version of Mary Sue.
I want a talking vid abt Whitewing her husband and daughter literally trained in hell and her other daughter had powers
i would actually love it if leaf (sisters) randomly showed up in every single arc from now on
I know you don't normally take suggestions on mini-talking videos, but could you do one on sorreltail? she's been my favorite warrior cats character for a long time and there's basically zero content of her tbh. she's just kinda.. in the background, only really used as a bodyguard for leafpool in the second Arc, but that's one of the reasons why I like her so much! from what we can see of her character, she's brave, reliable, motherly, and adventurous. which isn't saying alot for a warrior cats character, to be honest, but that leaves us with so much room to infer about her character! she could be literally whatever you want her to be, while at the same time still having a somewhat consistent character throughout her life
I would love a video on the sisters, they are unique in the fact that they are one of the few groups that don't have have leaders or healers... Or toms apparently
Oh my goodness, the voice acting is top tier! Reminds me of Sunnyfall on any podcast / clan gen vid lol
mini talking : stargleam was such a good episode
6:47 at this exact moment, I got an add.. I am not looking at my phone as I have it on for background noise. so all I hear is "for a character to be considered a Mary Sue, by me, I think that character needs to be- *Dramatic music* Nick Fury it appears you're not dead." 😂 I've never laughed so hard in my life
Can you please make a mini talking about Russetfur.She is so underrated character. She is such a true face of Shadowclan for me.
Talk about sorreltail:3 i love our precious lil sorreltail!
Day 2 of asking for:
1. Honeyfern
2. Sorreltail
3. Cinderheart/Cinderpelt
4. Brightheart or Cloudtail
5. Ravenpaw (no questions asked
6. Bumblestripe
7. Whitestorm
8. Scourge
9. Thornclaw
10. Someone from DOFC (maybe Clear Sky?
11. Bristlefrost/Rootpaw
12. Dovewing
13. Ivypool
14. Snowfur
15. Thistleclaw
16. Darkstripe
17. Pinestar
18. Feathertail/Stormfur
19. Mousefur (can’t do longtail without her
20. Whitewing
21. Hazeltail (I love her but hate how little she’s used besides in Sunrise for the mission
22. Tigerheart
23: Sleekwhisker
24. Mapleshade (would be fun
25. Alderheart
26. Hawkfrost
27. MOTHWING
28. Goosefeather/Moonflower
29: Dovewing/Squilf
30. Bumble/Turtletail/Graywing (from dawn of the clans
31. Dawnpelt (I’d love to see a video about her grief
32. Flametail
33. Hollyleaf/tuft
34. Seedpaw
35. Swiftpaw
36. Sweetpaw
37. Patchkit, Petalkit, Larchkit (Mapleshade until 40
38. Ravenwing/Oakstar
39. Nettlebreeze
40. Darktail
41. Onestar
42. Tallstar
43. Shrewclaw
44. Gremlin
45. Minnowtail
46. Feathertail
47. Tawnypelt
48. Goldenflower
bro names like 50 characters…
OMG THAT LIST IS WHAT I YEARN FOR
@@YellowTheSus*48 🤓
Screw Bramblestar!! Squilf and Jessy should have been the love interests
“Gary Sue” is the male equivalent of “Mary Sue”
May I ask you someting Moonkitti? What do you use to make your animations, in your short, 3-4 minute videos? I would really appreciate you telling me. P.S. I LOVE your videos! ❤🧡💛💚💙💜🤍🖤🤎
Please tell me someone has written a fanfic where Jessy realizes how toxic Bramble is to Squilf and calls him out on it. Imagine Jessy bringing in all sorts of new ideas into the clans, forcing them to readjust how they treat each other and how they handle interpersonal conflicts and such! She just pulls squilf aside and says, “Heyyy, do you know what ABUSE is? Girlie, you need to run”
Rare strglema mention lol
I would love to see you talk about ravenwing from mapleshades vengeance, a medicine cat who read an omen wrong and got murdered by one of warrors most famous villains, Mapleshade. I think hes a super interesting character, died young. Got an omen wrong, and in general a cool character. Too bad people dont like him cause they are sruck in Mapleshades head.
i dont think he read it wrong (?) maybe that was starclan’s intent but i cant quite remember
where was it said that he read it wrong? also ravenwing admitted to mapleshade that he knew revealing her secret would put her children in danger and make their lives miserable yet he went ahead with it anyway, pretty sure that's [understandably] why people do not like him
I think he read the omen right, but most now believe that it was instead about the kits and Mapleshade being swept in the river? I don’t see how that’s possible but alright
@@meevins some people said it idk
jessy is like the simone biles of warrior cats without the likable personality and character development
I really liked Jessy. Honestly we need more kittypet forbidden loves.
Imagine in an alternate universe Bramble and Jessy get together. Imagine that. It would be so much better holy crap. Erins bring this women back.
As much as a part of me is going LOLYes to this, I feel like either Bramblestar would just abuse and tear her down too like he did Squilf and thus make us realize egging them to get together was a bad idea too, or they'd be the most annoying couple in the series with Jessy enabling Bramblestar's toxicity and nothing be done about it. :x
@@klltx2001This 🫠