I know Assault intercessors might not be the "coolest" unit in the book, but 10 of them with a sanguinary priest, Gabriel Seth, Oath and Red rampage, will obliterate most things I've found. The potential for full re-rolls to hit and wound is incredible imo. they can also be somewhat durable with AOC and the FNP from the sanguinary priest. Essentially they play the middle of board quite well I think, holding a central objective and destroying whatever they touch. Their OC2 is also nice, and if you want visage of death on the sangiunary priest ya wont lose the objective you're trying to hold. Also Seth hits INSANELY hard in this unit ranging anywhere from 7-9 attacks in most circumstances +2WS with sustainedand lethal, streangth 10 with lance getting re-rolls from the assaut intercessors and oath, and AP -3 from the SP... That hurts!
I usually play that with friends, they are crazy scary, gabriel seth alone one shots a land raider or so, he is the craziest melee character imo but people sleep in him because he locks out other ba characters but tbh the units i play dont really benefit from them anyways
@@delta35thereal it will maybe, probably not a unit of wraithblades/wraithblades which you only wound of 5s and they got 4+ against it. And at what price. It is not enitrely bad but in my eyes there are much better options.
I personally run 10 DC on foot w/ PF + IP, and I've oneshot a baneblade with them. Pretty much as close to an auto-take to me as I get in my list, although it's strange to see they're overlooked in this breakdown but great video nonetheless! Plenty of food for thought here and looking forward to see what the community is coming up with. Also, just a note: From Nottingham GT I found that most of the UKTC terrain layouts actually block LR movement and you can get trapped in your deployment zone. Normally you can fit 1 but you'd have to strat reserve the other or check before the game. Sponsons count towards the vehicle foot print as I found out the hard way, so I don't think 2 LR will become standard but it is definitely worth a try!
Captain and SP with 10 assault intercessors dropped by redeemer is the real magic... 6 outriders with bike Chaplin (odd as it functions with shockingly amazing shooting within 12" (and obviously we are charging so that's no issue), as well as melee) I wish you would run a baseline that most of us by now are familiar with a long side these damages, I know this is for the LR, but demonstrating the 10 DC Jump w/ PF + chap as a baseline would assist most of us in practical understanding of these numbers as well Love ya John, I'm definitely one of your 5% I live on your bell!!!
Another interesting combo is smash captain leading assault Intercessors with jump packs with or without a Sang Priest with Jump Pack. The captain gives the unit an additional +1S and a free strat!
Oh boy, a video about the best infantry to put in a Land Raider, I hope the Terminators do well! -Me, clueless No but seriously, I get why they rank poorly in this specific analysis; this is a question about _sheer damage,_ because defense doesn't win games (well, sitting on objectives with good defense can win games, but being proactive wins more games). Like you said, the Terminators have excellent _defensive_ profiles, but the detachment rule specifically asks you to go out and charge and stack damage buffs, which the Terminators aren't doing. I wouldn't put them in the Land Raider, perhaps, the four options you present seem like much better choices to burst out of an assault ramp. But I'm still more than happy to _take_ Terminators to hold a key point and be my anchor.
I've been using terminators with a captain out of the land raider to very good effect, you're forgetting they also get +1 to hit if they attack the oath target, so it's reroll hits and +1 to hit. OR my death company with jetpacks. Its opponent based. If there's artillery jumppacks go in the landraider for protection. If not terminators go in and DC jump jump around.
Fun fact about the Land Raider Crusader that might make it a little more attractive: it can take a squad of Assault Centurions and still have room for six bladeguard with an attached character. That’s some efficient transporting!
I'm painting up a land raider right now which I intend to load up with Bladeguard and Captain+Liutenant, go big or go home. Wouldn'r ever bother putting Terminators in there because deep strike exists. But having said that, Assault Intercessors are just straight up my MVPs this edition, they put in so much work considering they are the basic troop. SoS with rerolling wounds and 5+++ from a priest... They're just crazy good. For lower points list putting them in there isn't a bad idea at all.
My absolute favorite is Mephistion and Assault Int. Embarked in the Redeemer with a Gravis Cpt. W/boltstorm Aggressors. Nicely fits the max 14 person transport. If you wiff a charge with Mephiston the cpt can reroll. Or if they both land the charge they can both Red Rampage.
I mean for me if you're asking which ones I would most likely use out of a Redeemer or something it's got to be the Assault Marines with Priest or the Assault Cents.
@@ba_commander Seems the most useful due to wanting AP. I don't need fights first on the charge since you get that anyway. Honestly I just don't think Mephiston is the smartest pick. Same old thing, if he could join BGV I'd almost certainly take him in most lists. BUT that's a defense unit.
I'm running a redeemer with corbulo and ten assult intercessors tomorrow into a tau army. Looking really good into crisis suits seeing as -1 on chainswords is all you need to push them to there 4+ invun. I'm looking forward to seeing the results if i can get them to connect. Great video as always John
Why did you take intercessor DC and not DC firstborn in your test ? They have better options for close combat and they can still have a chaplain in their unit. If you take plasma pistols and take a loss with the supercharge mode in the shooting phase, you can even trigger the sustained hits as well in the fight phase.
I've been a big fan of the assault interssesors with sang priest. I've also loved using assault centurions out of a landraider and using a librarian dreadnought to teleport them. The centurions are durable enough to survive after disembarking if the wings of Sanguinius fails, and maybe still have a normal charge target. If they fail the charge after wings of Sanguinius it's still a very annoyingly durable unit with some scary anti-infantry overwatch right where the opponent t doesnt want it. Wings also helps cherry pick the monster/vehicle targets
I've been running Land raider redeemer with Bladeguard/capt for rampage, supported by either 2 ballistus/lancers and 20x jump intercessors, jump death company with chappy, and drop pod stern vets with pretty good results
Played Maph and Assault Intersessors. Something to also keep in minds is the psychic powers and ranged attacks, which games workshop has clarified can be taken on the assault intercessors instead if we roll a 1. Also, @BA Commander; you did the math wrong for the assault terminators. The hammers are strength 10 on the charge, not strength 8 lol.
I feel like it needs to be addressed as well that Assault Intercessors will also have a 5+ feel no pain in addition to the additional AP if they're being lead by a Sanguniary Priest.
@@ba_commander I say Sang Priest is better on paper because he's almost half the price of Meph but Meph could smash into something and destroy it while Sang Priest doesn't have sh*t
Great video. It maybe situational, but I have just added five terminators two powerfist and three with chain fist. A chaplain is with this unit. I think it will be great out of a Land Raider. Plus you have some shooting before the charge plus one with cyclone missile launcher.
Mephiston with assault intercessors has been really good for me especially hit them with grenade first. The assault intercessors with jump packs with chaplains have also been very strong even before this new buff.
I love my BGV, I use the captain and will be moving around my list to add the lieutenant as well. They maul everything that I point them at (besides a great unclean one) and that 4+ invul makes them spicy for defense too
Those thunder hammer termies should be S10 right since we are talking on charge. With the examples you chose though it would only affect the Beast of Nurgle i guess though. Though they'll be much better against T5 troops e.g. Terminators and Orks. also lighter vehicles at T10. In one of my lists I'm playing around with I'm looking at running 5 Assault Intercessors, 5 Death Company Intercessors, and 6 Blade Guard Veterans in a Land Raider Crusader and seeing how thay goes.
My favorite is bladeguards with captain and ancient basically for their cool look. 10 AI with chapie or meph + 3 bladeguards to fill gap. (I run redeemer TC 14). Never tried and want to try centurions
I quite like the look of 10 van vets with sang priest and jump captain 50 S8 -2 dmg 1 attacks before the characters attack sounds pretty strong plus 4+ invul 5+ fnp should have some reliancy and can move 12 so don't need a transport would be a pricey unit though 😅
Seriously considering running 2 land raiders to ferry two of these units (1 in reserve) and a repulsor for the hellblaster combo. Sprinkle in some scouts and infiltrators for objectives, and go..
I think the land raider is stellar Its a sudo- anti tank or anti infantry armor (depending on loadout) and its soaks up a ton of damage. Assault intercessors all the way though, at 75pts for 5 they just seems like they are in a great spot right now. I probably wouldn't pay the extra 10 for DC intercessors at the moment. BGV + Judicar seem like a good option if you want a tankier middle to hold an objective, also the Judicar model is just....amazing so there's that. Any of these squads also does great by getting the tele from a librarian. I prefer the land raider but its a large investment for sure and some may see the librarian as the better option to get units around the board.
Love your video Commander! Why no discussion of agressors? Six in a land raider redeemer with a gravis captain on one flank and a repulsor executioner holding six bladeguard for the other (both with an option to push middle) By the Blood we are made Strong!
Corbulo getting the love he deserves! He's interesting in gladius too because you can get AP and lance With the strat. Those extra attacks feel extra spicy!
I'd love to know the numbers for regular Terminators with their power fists and chain fists. They get +1 to hit against your OoM target, so PF hitting on 2's and CF hitting on 3's with anti-vehicle 3+.
Yeah maybe regular Terminators are the better choice!
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using captian and lieutenant with 6 bladeguard from librian dread is nuts, captian 0cp strat and lieutenant gives lethal hits fall back shoot and charge, with bladeguard the enemy have no chance
How do we feel about a lieutenant and/or a captain with the BGV? Also I definitely support the double land raider. The list I plan on running soon takes a land raider with Seth+ass ints+ sang priest and a redeemer with BGV+Judi and a squad of eradicators. Should be fun
I'm gonna try Assault Terminators with Claws and a Captain, do you think placing then into a Land Raider is better than placing them from Deep Strike with the Teleport Homer ? Free Charge Reroll + Free Red Rampage sounds nice :)
Just a thought for ya BA! What if the assault intercesors also had a captain! Extra attacks and free Strat! Plus if I’m not wrong we can also add a LT to the unit!
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I feel the overall balance as well as cost comes into it. For me I'm going with BGV an Judi. fight first if that squad of Orks try's to take you off that objective, 3W takes sting out of 2d attacks, re roll saves of 1. Overwatch from LRR too. Another thing vs just outright damage potential Is how much of it is saved. AP1 attacks are going to be saved alot more than AP2 (which will be forcing things on to their 4/5+ invuls) I'll take the damage potential of BGV and less likely that damage is saved over ass ints at AP1. If I'm running Ass ints I probably want Seth, however, the DC loses abit of survivability without lemartes. Tasty idea though, 6 BGV an judi to charge out the Redeemer and hang around with FF....along with Seth an company of heroes as a 4W -1 to wound body guard for him to also charge out and wander off swinging his reaver with advance an charge.
Curious to see if adding the Libby in terminator armour to the LC terminators would do much to help them out🤔 Also standard Libby to give assault ints. 4++ worth it?
10 assault intercessors with the priest and Gabriel Seth out the front of the raider. The unit will wreck anything it hits and keep going with the FNP. The squad buffs Seth wonderfully. I’ve run this about 7 times since the dataslate.
@@ba_commander I always roll ones when I hit with Seth. I’m just lucky that way I think and the squad solves that right there. If you’re on an objective the other person’s squad is just done. Dreadnoughts, tanks and higher toughness monsters just get shredded also, especially when you factor the red rampage into it.
@@ba_commander but even at 120pts for 3 you're still getting 3D6+3 Flamers atks for range, and 3(+1)x3 atks, S8(+2), AP-2, Damage 2 Twin-Linked in melee. Are they better than Bladeguard Veterans or Death Company/Assault Intercessors? On the charge, no because volume of attacks even at lower strength and AP has it own quality. But T6 vs T4 is a huge difference when it comes to survival. The Gravis Capt imo is one of the best combat characters. Give him the Relic Blade + his gauntlets and the "Artisan of War" enhancement. 5(+1) atk, S8(+2), AP-3, Damage 2 & 2(+1) atks, S5(+2), AP-3, Damage 2 extra atks. And this unit "should" kill almost anything they attack into. But for 340pts for a unit of 6 Aggressors & Capt. Yes I agree it is expensive, but a unit of 5 Assault Terminators & Chaplain is 270 and which one would you say is more bang for your buck?
I know this is land raider theory but van vets get to s7 weapons, and with a captain attached to them you get s8 melee with lethal hits on a charge, p good imo
i hope we would get some kind of DA boxset. 5-10 new VG with Jetpacks or 5-10 Death company marines with Jetpacks + new 5( because gw hates you) SG guard and Sanguinor. It would be ideal box for collecting. Rules would be awful, but who cares, BLOOD ENDURES. I want true Flying golden host as the army. And new baal tank... want too much. Btw. New SOS detach is fine for most units. we would not punch tanks hard, but most monsters would crumble before us.
@@stephenwitham sure. But when a units gone up 20% in a couple of months and you’ve got alot of experience with them and their weaknesses, I guess it’s pushing me away from them.
Gonna test them out this weekend in SoS out of a redeemer with a chaplain. They can kill any thing, and fight on death at sustained 2 if they get wiped in melee
@@ba_commander Yeah, I get that! Their only real downside (other than not having jump packs!) is the lack of leader options. I was running them with the chaplain in GTF where they are quite nutty, but since the upgrade to SOS I'm going to give old Tycho the Lost a go.
You didn't cover the Capitan with assault intercessors. He doesn't really buff them but they buff him quite a lot. Especially if he tasks the archangels shard.
I swear you have a hate-boner for terminators. Why would you pick the single worst representation of terminators for your chart? A squad of generic terminators with power fists out-performs oll of these numbers for assault terminators! And why compare good options for some (chaplain) verses clearly inferior - and more expensive - options for terminators? This makes no sense. 5x Storm Bolters, 5x Power Fists, 1x Cyclone missile launcher + Terminator Librarian: 18.5, 11.11, 14.81, 5.56 (no buffs). Crappy against T11+ but better against everything else AND gets both meaningful shooting before the charge and an extra +1 to hit against OoM, which is damn near a 50% damage buff. It's just a weird set of options to test, man.
I mean we're talking about Assault Units, I guess Assault Terminators are a shitty option. Having tried the shooting terminators a few times this edition I've been whole-y unimpressed. It takes me hours to make these maths charts, it's hard to know the best squads to choose each time. Sorry.
@@ba_commander I hate it, but assault terminators are just bad overall. Nothing gained except an extra W which will do zero against damage 2 weapons. Lightning claws used to be my favourite terminator weapons, but now they're a cruel mockery of something that used to be good.
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I know Assault intercessors might not be the "coolest" unit in the book, but 10 of them with a sanguinary priest, Gabriel Seth, Oath and Red rampage, will obliterate most things I've found. The potential for full re-rolls to hit and wound is incredible imo. they can also be somewhat durable with AOC and the FNP from the sanguinary priest. Essentially they play the middle of board quite well I think, holding a central objective and destroying whatever they touch. Their OC2 is also nice, and if you want visage of death on the sangiunary priest ya wont lose the objective you're trying to hold. Also Seth hits INSANELY hard in this unit ranging anywhere from 7-9 attacks in most circumstances +2WS with sustainedand lethal, streangth 10 with lance getting re-rolls from the assaut intercessors and oath, and AP -3 from the SP... That hurts!
I usually play that with friends, they are crazy scary, gabriel seth alone one shots a land raider or so, he is the craziest melee character imo but people sleep in him because he locks out other ba characters but tbh the units i play dont really benefit from them anyways
My land raider just arrived last night so that I can run this exact combo!
Can’t wait to try it out tomorrow
That is 310 point unit with 1 dmg each and a 3+ save. Pretty expensive
@@type3860 it literally kills anything it touches with advance and charge
@@delta35thereal it will maybe, probably not a unit of wraithblades/wraithblades which you only wound of 5s and they got 4+ against it. And at what price. It is not enitrely bad but in my eyes there are much better options.
I personally run 10 DC on foot w/ PF + IP, and I've oneshot a baneblade with them. Pretty much as close to an auto-take to me as I get in my list, although it's strange to see they're overlooked in this breakdown but great video nonetheless! Plenty of food for thought here and looking forward to see what the community is coming up with.
Also, just a note: From Nottingham GT I found that most of the UKTC terrain layouts actually block LR movement and you can get trapped in your deployment zone. Normally you can fit 1 but you'd have to strat reserve the other or check before the game. Sponsons count towards the vehicle foot print as I found out the hard way, so I don't think 2 LR will become standard but it is definitely worth a try!
Captain and SP with 10 assault intercessors dropped by redeemer is the real magic...
6 outriders with bike Chaplin (odd as it functions with shockingly amazing shooting within 12" (and obviously we are charging so that's no issue), as well as melee)
I wish you would run a baseline that most of us by now are familiar with a long side these damages, I know this is for the LR, but demonstrating the 10 DC Jump w/ PF + chap as a baseline would assist most of us in practical understanding of these numbers as well
Love ya John, I'm definitely one of your 5% I live on your bell!!!
Outriders are just bad
Another interesting combo is smash captain leading assault Intercessors with jump packs with or without a Sang Priest with Jump Pack. The captain gives the unit an additional +1S and a free strat!
This is where I park my car!
SoS is back? :)
@@ba_commander Yessir! 🫡
I run the van vets with SP and Captain, with inferno pistols.
Oh boy, a video about the best infantry to put in a Land Raider, I hope the Terminators do well! -Me, clueless
No but seriously, I get why they rank poorly in this specific analysis; this is a question about _sheer damage,_ because defense doesn't win games (well, sitting on objectives with good defense can win games, but being proactive wins more games). Like you said, the Terminators have excellent _defensive_ profiles, but the detachment rule specifically asks you to go out and charge and stack damage buffs, which the Terminators aren't doing. I wouldn't put them in the Land Raider, perhaps, the four options you present seem like much better choices to burst out of an assault ramp. But I'm still more than happy to _take_ Terminators to hold a key point and be my anchor.
I've been using terminators with a captain out of the land raider to very good effect, you're forgetting they also get +1 to hit if they attack the oath target, so it's reroll hits and +1 to hit. OR my death company with jetpacks. Its opponent based. If there's artillery jumppacks go in the landraider for protection. If not terminators go in and DC jump jump around.
Fun fact about the Land Raider Crusader that might make it a little more attractive: it can take a squad of Assault Centurions and still have room for six bladeguard with an attached character. That’s some efficient transporting!
I'm painting up a land raider right now which I intend to load up with Bladeguard and Captain+Liutenant, go big or go home. Wouldn'r ever bother putting Terminators in there because deep strike exists.
But having said that, Assault Intercessors are just straight up my MVPs this edition, they put in so much work considering they are the basic troop. SoS with rerolling wounds and 5+++ from a priest... They're just crazy good. For lower points list putting them in there isn't a bad idea at all.
My absolute favorite is Mephistion and Assault Int. Embarked in the Redeemer with a Gravis Cpt. W/boltstorm Aggressors. Nicely fits the max 14 person transport. If you wiff a charge with Mephiston the cpt can reroll. Or if they both land the charge they can both Red Rampage.
I mean for me if you're asking which ones I would most likely use out of a Redeemer or something it's got to be the Assault Marines with Priest or the Assault Cents.
Just a Priest?
@@ba_commander Seems the most useful due to wanting AP. I don't need fights first on the charge since you get that anyway. Honestly I just don't think Mephiston is the smartest pick. Same old thing, if he could join BGV I'd almost certainly take him in most lists. BUT that's a defense unit.
I'm running a redeemer with corbulo and ten assult intercessors tomorrow into a tau army. Looking really good into crisis suits seeing as -1 on chainswords is all you need to push them to there 4+ invun. I'm looking forward to seeing the results if i can get them to connect. Great video as always John
Why did you take intercessor DC and not DC firstborn in your test ? They have better options for close combat and they can still have a chaplain in their unit. If you take plasma pistols and take a loss with the supercharge mode in the shooting phase, you can even trigger the sustained hits as well in the fight phase.
I guess on my list, I’m gonna be running death company with jump packs with Lemartes but this is not a bad option!
Thunder hammers would get the +2 strength +1 attacks on the charge too, no? I feel like that would change the wound math a bit.
Problem is they’re hitting on 4+ 😩
True, the 4+ to hit is rough, maybe regular PF Terminators would be much better.
I've been a big fan of the assault interssesors with sang priest.
I've also loved using assault centurions out of a landraider and using a librarian dreadnought to teleport them. The centurions are durable enough to survive after disembarking if the wings of Sanguinius fails, and maybe still have a normal charge target. If they fail the charge after wings of Sanguinius it's still a very annoyingly durable unit with some scary anti-infantry overwatch right where the opponent t doesnt want it. Wings also helps cherry pick the monster/vehicle targets
Thanks Commander! As always good stuff. Appreciate the work you put into this.
Starting to build a BA/BT army as a BA successor chapter, completely new to the faction so this video is brilliant!
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Great video john :) Our Lord Sanguinius would be proud of your work :)
I hope so!
I've been running Land raider redeemer with Bladeguard/capt for rampage, supported by either 2 ballistus/lancers and 20x jump intercessors, jump death company with chappy, and drop pod stern vets with pretty good results
Sounds strong, you winning alot?
Played Maph and Assault Intersessors. Something to also keep in minds is the psychic powers and ranged attacks, which games workshop has clarified can be taken on the assault intercessors instead if we roll a 1. Also, @BA Commander; you did the math wrong for the assault terminators. The hammers are strength 10 on the charge, not strength 8 lol.
I guess I need todo more math on Terminators... my bad.
I feel like it needs to be addressed as well that Assault Intercessors will also have a 5+ feel no pain in addition to the additional AP if they're being lead by a Sanguniary Priest.
I thought I said this. I can’t decide if this makes them better than Meph?
@@ba_commander I say Sang Priest is better on paper because he's almost half the price of Meph but Meph could smash into something and destroy it while Sang Priest doesn't have sh*t
Great video. It maybe situational, but I have just added five terminators two powerfist and three with chain fist. A chaplain is with this unit. I think it will be great out of a Land Raider. Plus you have some shooting before the charge plus one with cyclone missile launcher.
Do you even need chainless now with the extra strength on the Pfs?
The anti vehicle 3+ still seems nice. It is a little situational possibly.
Mephiston with assault intercessors has been really good for me especially hit them with grenade first. The assault intercessors with jump packs with chaplains have also been very strong even before this new buff.
I love my BGV, I use the captain and will be moving around my list to add the lieutenant as well. They maul everything that I point them at (besides a great unclean one) and that 4+ invul makes them spicy for defense too
Sick, you have them in a Land Raider?
Those thunder hammer termies should be S10 right since we are talking on charge.
With the examples you chose though it would only affect the Beast of Nurgle i guess though. Though they'll be much better against T5 troops e.g. Terminators and Orks. also lighter vehicles at T10.
In one of my lists I'm playing around with I'm looking at running 5 Assault Intercessors, 5 Death Company Intercessors, and 6 Blade Guard Veterans in a Land Raider Crusader and seeing how thay goes.
Yeah, my mistake on the terminators, sorry!
My favorite is bladeguards with captain and ancient basically for their cool look. 10 AI with chapie or meph + 3 bladeguards to fill gap. (I run redeemer TC 14). Never tried and want to try centurions
Id consider 10 Assault intercessors + sang priest + lieutenant. Seems really good and maneuverable.
The lethal hits and fallback would be pretty cool
Interesting vid, would have been nice to see firstborn DC on foot included in this too. 💀
Next time!
I quite like the look of 10 van vets with sang priest and jump captain 50 S8 -2 dmg 1 attacks before the characters attack sounds pretty strong plus 4+ invul 5+ fnp should have some reliancy and can move 12 so don't need a transport would be a pricey unit though 😅
Funnily enough I’m sat here finishing x6 BGV’s and various chaplains alongside them. Glad I chose that option instead of assault terminators now
I think it's the right call.
Seriously considering running 2 land raiders to ferry two of these units (1 in reserve) and a repulsor for the hellblaster combo. Sprinkle in some scouts and infiltrators for objectives, and go..
Let me know how that goes!
I think the land raider is stellar
Its a sudo- anti tank or anti infantry armor (depending on loadout) and its soaks up a ton of damage. Assault intercessors all the way though, at 75pts for 5 they just seems like they are in a great spot right now. I probably wouldn't pay the extra 10 for DC intercessors at the moment.
BGV + Judicar seem like a good option if you want a tankier middle to hold an objective, also the Judicar model is just....amazing so there's that.
Any of these squads also does great by getting the tele from a librarian. I prefer the land raider but its a large investment for sure and some may see the librarian as the better option to get units around the board.
Love your video Commander!
Why no discussion of agressors?
Six in a land raider redeemer with a gravis captain on one flank and a repulsor executioner holding six bladeguard for the other (both with an option to push middle)
By the Blood we are made Strong!
Aggressors recent point bump is brutal.
Did you consider going captain and lt for the bladeguard? Free strat and lethals and a ton of attacks between them
It's certainly an option, I was trying to keep the costs sane.
Corbulo getting the love he deserves! He's interesting in gladius too because you can get AP and lance With the strat. Those extra attacks feel extra spicy!
Who'd have thought?
11:40 is "Rampage" a bad word on UA-cam? Just noticed it was misspelled.
My English is bad :-( sorry!
I'd love to know the numbers for regular Terminators with their power fists and chain fists. They get +1 to hit against your OoM target, so PF hitting on 2's and CF hitting on 3's with anti-vehicle 3+.
Yeah maybe regular Terminators are the better choice!
using captian and lieutenant with 6 bladeguard from librian dread is nuts, captian 0cp strat and lieutenant gives lethal hits fall back shoot and charge, with bladeguard the enemy have no chance
How do we feel about a lieutenant and/or a captain with the BGV? Also I definitely support the double land raider. The list I plan on running soon takes a land raider with Seth+ass ints+ sang priest and a redeemer with BGV+Judi and a squad of eradicators. Should be fun
Not sure if you included the powerfist for the sergeant? could bump those intercessor numbers a bit vs those higher toughness enemies.
I didn't, you for sure would want that PF.
I'm gonna try Assault Terminators with Claws and a Captain, do you think placing then into a Land Raider is better than placing them from Deep Strike with the Teleport Homer ?
Free Charge Reroll + Free Red Rampage sounds nice :)
Just a thought for ya BA! What if the assault intercesors also had a captain! Extra attacks and free Strat! Plus if I’m not wrong we can also add a LT to the unit!
Yeah but only EITHER a Capt or LT, with a SP, not both!
@@ba_commander ahh that makes sense! We wouldn’t be able to stack it where the LT with the captain and the SP with the Lt!
Could you do a series on how to beat enemy factions? A friend of mine is getting better with nids and sadly i am still playing mostly legends stuff until I can get my life togetherso finding out what others are doing vs other factions would be helpful for updating my list
I feel the overall balance as well as cost comes into it. For me I'm going with BGV an Judi. fight first if that squad of Orks try's to take you off that objective, 3W takes sting out of 2d attacks, re roll saves of 1. Overwatch from LRR too. Another thing vs just outright damage potential Is how much of it is saved. AP1 attacks are going to be saved alot more than AP2 (which will be forcing things on to their 4/5+ invuls) I'll take the damage potential of BGV and less likely that damage is saved over ass ints at AP1. If I'm running Ass ints I probably want Seth, however, the DC loses abit of survivability without lemartes. Tasty idea though, 6 BGV an judi to charge out the Redeemer and hang around with FF....along with Seth an company of heroes as a 4W -1 to wound body guard for him to also charge out and wander off swinging his reaver with advance an charge.
Curious to see if adding the Libby in terminator armour to the LC terminators would do much to help them out🤔 Also standard Libby to give assault ints. 4++ worth it?
I tend to feel the SP is better than the regular Libby.
I must be some kind of buying 2 Land Raider Redeemers, waited 8 months to get my Cataract surgery then the left and last eye got surgery TODAY.
So you buying 2? :)
What’s the maths with LC Terms with a Term Chaplain…? 😅
Im going to try gabriel seth with some assault intercessors and a sang priest. I think it would make Seth into a crazy beatstick
It sure would. Alot of people are recommending this!
@@ba_commander that ap 3, 3 damage is speaking to us brother
10 assault intercessors with the priest and Gabriel Seth out the front of the raider. The unit will wreck anything it hits and keep going with the FNP. The squad buffs Seth wonderfully. I’ve run this about 7 times since the dataslate.
Mainly the wound rerolls on Seth are good?
@@ba_commander I always roll ones when I hit with Seth. I’m just lucky that way I think and the squad solves that right there. If you’re on an objective the other person’s squad is just done. Dreadnoughts, tanks and higher toughness monsters just get shredded also, especially when you factor the red rampage into it.
So blade guard with the Chaplin is a no go/suboptimal?
If your willing to pay for Red Rampage, then yes.
Any thoughts on jump pack intercessiors?
I think that's an idea for another video.
Couldnt you run two bladeguard squads in a land raider? That makes them have waaay more damage for one transport.
I don’t think many people consider this, good point
What about the Gravis Capt + Aggressors?
Their recent points hike is pretty... rubbish.
@@ba_commander but even at 120pts for 3 you're still getting 3D6+3 Flamers atks for range, and 3(+1)x3 atks, S8(+2), AP-2, Damage 2 Twin-Linked in melee. Are they better than Bladeguard Veterans or Death Company/Assault Intercessors? On the charge, no because volume of attacks even at lower strength and AP has it own quality. But T6 vs T4 is a huge difference when it comes to survival. The Gravis Capt imo is one of the best combat characters. Give him the Relic Blade + his gauntlets and the "Artisan of War" enhancement. 5(+1) atk, S8(+2), AP-3, Damage 2 & 2(+1) atks, S5(+2), AP-3, Damage 2 extra atks. And this unit "should" kill almost anything they attack into.
But for 340pts for a unit of 6 Aggressors & Capt. Yes I agree it is expensive, but a unit of 5 Assault Terminators & Chaplain is 270 and which one would you say is more bang for your buck?
I know this is land raider theory but van vets get to s7 weapons, and with a captain attached to them you get s8 melee with lethal hits on a charge, p good imo
Yeah, that is pretty good, attached the priest for the extra AP?
@@ba_commander yeah, that unit is a horror
What do you think of 10 Assault Intercessors with a Chaplain ?
I like it
i hope we would get some kind of DA boxset.
5-10 new VG with Jetpacks or 5-10 Death company marines with Jetpacks + new 5( because gw hates you) SG guard and Sanguinor.
It would be ideal box for collecting. Rules would be awful, but who cares, BLOOD ENDURES.
I want true Flying golden host as the army.
And new baal tank... want too much.
Btw. New SOS detach is fine for most units. we would not punch tanks hard, but most monsters would crumble before us.
Nothing wrong with a bit of red ramage
Gabriel Seth in landraider redeemer with sang priest and 10 assault intercessors 😮💨
Boom!
Repulsor is the vehicle I have been using
It’s certainly viable. No assault ramp is a little disappointing!
Absolutely man the no assault ramp hurts but I gotta play with what I have lol. It's a good delivery for Gabriel Seth for me though
Out of curiosity, why didn't you include Aggressors? They slap in both melee and range.
Their recent points hike is really hurting them no?
@@ba_commander I don't think the aggressor hike is enough to make the unit non-viable.
@@stephenwitham sure. But when a units gone up 20% in a couple of months and you’ve got alot of experience with them and their weaknesses, I guess it’s pushing me away from them.
Kitbashing my Caplain now.😂
Seth with Assault intercessors, sang priest and red rampage is king
How many points does this combo cost?
320 pts @@ba_commander
No foot deathcompany?
With a chaplain and all fists or hammers. Nothing lives if you make the charge
Yeah true!
Gonna test them out this weekend in SoS out of a redeemer with a chaplain. They can kill any thing, and fight on death at sustained 2 if they get wiped in melee
This video was the 40k equivalent of "will it blend". 😂
And the answer is yes, it will indeed blend! ⚔
Pretty much!
Aren't Land Raiders moving only 10"? and not 12"?
Redeemers are 12!
Fair enough! Thanks for the reply and the good work! @@ba_commander
Is judiciars strike first really worth 70 points ?
Depends if your making your charges I guess right?
@@ba_commander always making charges coming out of my land raider!
@@ba_commander by the power of sanguineous. I will!
It's weird that you've flat out ignored DC foot marines? Re-roll hits, sustained hits 1 - 2, 40 S10 power fist attacks from a squad of 10.
Really good point, I guess I don’t play those guys. I always tend to have my DC with jump packs. They’d be pretty dope.
@@ba_commander Yeah, I get that! Their only real downside (other than not having jump packs!) is the lack of leader options. I was running them with the chaplain in GTF where they are quite nutty, but since the upgrade to SOS I'm going to give old Tycho the Lost a go.
But termies with TH will hit with S10...
Yeah I guess that would have changed a few wound rolls, my mistake!
mephiston with a SP...hmmm
Unfortunately that’s not a valid combo.
thought it was considering meph has capt key word@@ba_commander
We run BGV's with a capt and LT.....easy money
Souns strong!
@@ba_commander they gain lethals, FB/charge, and Captain's abilities.
Love your stuff but there's a U in Corbulos name..pronounce it m8! Lol oh and use spell checker on your slides 😂
Thanks for the tip
YES!!!!! :D
You didn't cover the Capitan with assault intercessors.
He doesn't really buff them but they buff him quite a lot.
Especially if he tasks the archangels shard.
Can't beat firstborn foot DC to be honest.
Why you allways say Mephiston or Sangiunary priest? Mephiston has the keyword Captain. So you can use a priest and Mephiston.
You can't this is an error, Mephiston is not a captain.
good to know thanks for that. Seems like battlescribe takes forever to correct that 😅
had to correct my army list now :D
@@ba_commander
I swear you have a hate-boner for terminators. Why would you pick the single worst representation of terminators for your chart? A squad of generic terminators with power fists out-performs oll of these numbers for assault terminators! And why compare good options for some (chaplain) verses clearly inferior - and more expensive - options for terminators?
This makes no sense. 5x Storm Bolters, 5x Power Fists, 1x Cyclone missile launcher + Terminator Librarian: 18.5, 11.11, 14.81, 5.56 (no buffs). Crappy against T11+ but better against everything else AND gets both meaningful shooting before the charge and an extra +1 to hit against OoM, which is damn near a 50% damage buff.
It's just a weird set of options to test, man.
I mean we're talking about Assault Units, I guess Assault Terminators are a shitty option. Having tried the shooting terminators a few times this edition I've been whole-y unimpressed. It takes me hours to make these maths charts, it's hard to know the best squads to choose each time. Sorry.
@@ba_commander I hate it, but assault terminators are just bad overall. Nothing gained except an extra W which will do zero against damage 2 weapons. Lightning claws used to be my favourite terminator weapons, but now they're a cruel mockery of something that used to be good.
Blade guard out of a landraider is something I'm trying out tonight actually.