The TRUTH About Coir & Peat Potting Soils…

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  • Опубліковано 12 гру 2024

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  • @odinmatanguihan5086
    @odinmatanguihan5086 5 днів тому +5

    I'm from the Philippines where coconut farms are common. The farms I see rarely use pesticides and fertilizers. They do have reduced biodiversity. Still, these farms do host a few cool species like flying lizards, and huge horned scarabs. We occasionally do get big infestations, likely due to the combination of monocropping and little to no pesticide use. In my particular area, monocropping isn't all that common. Coconuts are a minor source of income since there are other crops beneath the coconuts that are more profitable, such as coffee, cocoa, lanzones. The coconuts are there mainly to help provide shade to shade-loving cash crops. Lastly, as mentioned, coir is merely a byproduct, so you can't really pin deforestation on coir use.

  • @GRPermie
    @GRPermie 6 днів тому +20

    I like to use what is local. People disregard the packaging, handling, and shipping of these products.

    • @andrewmanzo8217
      @andrewmanzo8217 6 днів тому +3

      Same here....but because I am cheap...and I can get a lot of that sort of stuff for free. I achieve the same result though, which I commend you for doing.

    • @Bob-w2b8j
      @Bob-w2b8j 5 днів тому +1

      That's always the way to go

  • @patkonelectric
    @patkonelectric 6 днів тому +21

    One thing people don't realize is you can keep reusing your peat moss. I can go to the local city yard waste disposal and find discarded potted plants. Clean the roots out of them and have free potting mix.

    • @Bob-w2b8j
      @Bob-w2b8j 5 днів тому +3

      Yes, that's what I do as well

  • @janosagoston123
    @janosagoston123 6 днів тому +12

    Actually before coco-chips and coir is made the whole "hairy thing" is washed. When they produce the briquettes they use steam to compress the material, so they are free of any pests and diseases. I use coir and peat for about 20 years now, and coir keeps the water much better than peat, and it degrades slower. I can use coir for about 4 years, while peat usually loses its texture in a year. I still use both, because coir usually has a more neutral-ish pH ~6,5, while raw ground peat is between 3,8-4,2, so ideal for acid-loving plants. Peat can be compressed to half of its volume, while coir can be compressed to 20-25% of its original volume, so much more efficient when shipping. All in all in my opinion they are both have the same amount of good and bad.

    • @RogertheShrubber-d4k
      @RogertheShrubber-d4k 5 днів тому +1

      More efficient shipping? Lolol I'll save you the math, 1 container ship from India burns enough fuel to fill the tanks of over 175,000 cars, to get it to a port in Canada . And that's with no delays , breakdowns , other weather issues during the trip. Then you have to factor in the fuel for the trucks to deliver the coco.
      So if you live somewhere where, when you go outside, you don't see any coconuts . Don't grow with coconut.
      Supporting a society riddled with human rights and environmental abuses , over having efficient machines harvesting locally , and with intelligent scientists curating a sustainable " in your backyard" product such as peat is not only traitorous, but morally repugnant imo .
      I'll wait here for the big coco bots and shills to show up and try to convince me otherwise .

    • @carmyn692
      @carmyn692 5 днів тому

      I'll accept comparing apples to apples for the product. But you lost at "bare feet". They are not at all the same.

  • @KarlLew
    @KarlLew 6 днів тому +5

    Once i realized that plants eat soil, i realized i needed to make soil. With one compost bin per raised bed i am now slightly net positive on soil year over year. and now i can finally get rid of the coir i used to use. Thank you for the info on repleneshing peat moss and coir-you gave us perspective and timescales i can downsize to my backyard. ❤

  • @bc4823
    @bc4823 3 дні тому +1

    There's a significant protected peat bog in east Ottawa, Canada called Mer Bleue. Recently, information was uncovered by local media. During World War 2, bombs were dropped on to the bog as practice. There's unexpoded bombs under the serene surface.

  • @ElenaXrm
    @ElenaXrm 6 днів тому +5

    Thank you Ashley! This is very informative as usual. You brought up several things that I have not thought about.

  • @JamieW-o7b
    @JamieW-o7b 6 днів тому +4

    In the UK councils had tonnes of garden waste compost to shift, suddenly peat was the bad guy! It is almost impossible to find potting mixes without household waste in it now! Chemicals, microplastics, lord knows what else!

  • @marilynturcotte5304
    @marilynturcotte5304 6 днів тому +7

    I use peat because I really have no use for coconut coir (that I am aware of) And I will most likely purchase the cheapest or the one that I can get the most of.

  • @JoyoftheGardenandHome
    @JoyoftheGardenandHome 6 днів тому +9

    Coconut industry would still exist, with a few less points at the end (more floating coconut garbage) outside of coir. Both coir & peat have their places and I will continue to use both as long as necessary and available.

  • @YarrowPressburg
    @YarrowPressburg 6 днів тому +4

    Brilliant! After gardening and farming in the desert southwest of the USA, I have found that neither of those products is any good,just not good in an arid climate. Now I’m in a rain forest in northern Washington,where peat works fine, I don’t want coir because of the chemicals and that not from my climate zone, also the other side of the planet. That said the potting soil I get on my little island has both in it. So I can’t really be bothered.

  • @56243G
    @56243G 6 днів тому +13

    Bogs and swamps used to be lakes. In fact, the spot where I dig my peat was open water until the 1930s when all the lakes almost disappeared. I'd rather have walleyes and bass than horseflies and mosquitos, which are the only things that like a bog.

  • @donavinnezar
    @donavinnezar 6 днів тому +3

    depends on where you are in the world , me living in south africa coco coir is more sustainable as most coconut products here are from mozambique (literally our neighbour) where peatmoss is usually shipped in from lithuania or canada
    we have small peat bogs here in south africa but none are large enough or growing fast enough to be used in any way

  • @WellOkaythen.
    @WellOkaythen. 6 днів тому +2

    I can't speak for everywhere in Australia, but where I am, coir is not only more widely available, but significantly cheaper and is what is used in most potting soils I see and use. I use a lot of large fine coir bricks in my own mixes and it works very well for me. Its easy to refresh and breaks down well enough in my worm infested pots

  • @Primitivemycology
    @Primitivemycology 6 днів тому +5

    I'm a fan of peat over coir for potting soil as well as certain types of fungal substrates. Peat is cheaper and normally doesn't come innoculated with trichoderma in my local area that I must then kill in sterilization for fungus and with potting soil I use morel mushroom mycelium for the mycorrhizal helper. The morels rarely fruit in the flower beds but the mycelium still bonds with the plants most times........ I'm a hater of trichoderma for the one reason, I cultivate gourmet mushrooms and that is a contaminant

  • @SoNoFTheMoSt
    @SoNoFTheMoSt 6 днів тому +7

    The last batch of coir i got and most batches ive found shredded plastic in them, usually blue stuff but sometimes a bit of rubber...

  • @darcypotterpotter6214
    @darcypotterpotter6214 6 днів тому +6

    Coir needs to be rinsed several times in fresh water to lower the salt levels in the coir and if you use coir I would recommend you should rinse it again before use and then buffer it with CalMag personally I use ProMix peat moss 1/3-1/3 compost 1/3 airation in all my garden soil

    • @jenjoy4353
      @jenjoy4353 6 днів тому +1

      If you buy a coconut and pull off the coir, it is not salty. I assume this idea has come about because if some of the coconuts gathered have been floating around in the ocean for a while. Most coconuts are used in the food industry and have not been in the ocean so I guess it depends where and how they are sourced.

    • @Freeland-Farm
      @Freeland-Farm 6 днів тому

      ​@jenjoy4353 coconuts are soaked to make it easier to remove the husks as part of their processing. Sometimes fresh water sometimes brackish water sometimes salt water. The husks are what is used to make coir. You aren't getting the husks at the grocery store.

    • @darcypotterpotter6214
      @darcypotterpotter6214 6 днів тому

      Most coir is rinsed in brackish water and needs several wash cycle when processing and yes it is salt . You can see this in the data and If you do not purchase Pre Buffered coir you will find out that you Should have Buffered with Calmag .. a lot of Brick coir you purchase will be Pre Buffered you can see on the label

    • @danielrogers997
      @danielrogers997 6 днів тому

      Just buy pre washed and pre buffered, No need for all that. Ac infinity coco coir is working fine with indoor plants for me , all I did was rehydrate.

    • @darcypotterpotter6214
      @darcypotterpotter6214 5 днів тому +1

      My point about the Pre rinse pre buffered coir is that it is a heavy use of Water and clean water is a resource that is in high demand Use of fresh water is required for the rinse after the coir is broke down and before it is buffered and compressed . And yes I would recommend using Pre Buffered Coir over non buffered but I don’t use Coir for the reason that it is a heavy transported product and is shipped from tropical areas to the great white north Peat is local to Canada Also I have peat that is in its 6th year of use the finer it breaks down the more it retains Nutrients so you have to be careful but it is fine as long as you pay attention

  • @dnawormcastings
    @dnawormcastings 6 днів тому +4

    Great video on peat I always wondered how it made and shipped 🇳🇿❤️

  • @JohnDoe-id9hi
    @JohnDoe-id9hi 6 днів тому +3

    This is perfect timing!!! Also, I'm still waiting for the T-rex video 😂

  • @donadams2419
    @donadams2419 5 днів тому +1

    Much appreciated information. … I have a big bag of peat in down stairs but I use mostly choir. … Didn't, know that hothouse/commercial vegetable growers use peat as their grow medium. Love this information sooo much.

  • @tobruz
    @tobruz 6 днів тому +9

    At 17 I worked for the Ministry of Natural Resources ( MNR) for a summer as a junior forest ranger.
    We picked green peat moss in bogs by hand into huge bags to be used in the forestry branch for tree planting. There is no shortage out there!

    • @tobruz
      @tobruz 6 днів тому +4

      Sphagnum Peat Moss

  • @balrogpriest
    @balrogpriest 6 днів тому +4

    How would using the harvested sugar cane fibers be useful

  • @NewPhone-y9f
    @NewPhone-y9f 6 днів тому +2

    I'm in the western foothills of the Cascades in the Pacific Northwest. I'm building soil with arbor chip, livestock and carefully considered planting.
    However, the very best poultry brooder bedding I've ever found is peat moss. It's far healthier for the baby chickens and turkeys, and the well used bedding is a marvelous addition to my blueberry beds. I might use one of thosse big bales a year. Coconut coir will not fill this niche for me.

  • @BonneTerreAcres
    @BonneTerreAcres 6 днів тому +1

    Appreciate your insights. An excellent explanation of the restoration being done.
    A subject that is not spoken of often are the transportation costs which affects the ethical and ecological aspects of using coir.
    Thank you and keep up the great work!

  • @wayneessar7489
    @wayneessar7489 6 днів тому +2

    I am Peatacentric and also use fine Fir bark.

  • @Tybold63
    @Tybold63 6 днів тому +1

    I stopped using peat in my houseplants and always migrate new ones to inorganic soil - biggest bonus is less gnat if any in house🤓.
    Seems gnat like to find ways to survive and not just in soil 😟.
    Imho peat and coco coir are also more difficult to keep in right humidity in home (have no garden just a balcony)

  • @brianseybert192
    @brianseybert192 6 днів тому +5

    Kinda off topic. I have been raising compost worms for about 5 years now, last year I completely stopped giving my worms the peels of fruits we commonly do not eat like bananas, citrus and pineapple. The reason I went there is I looked up the amount of fungicide, herbicides and pesticides used on bananas, plus a lot of the regulation in these smaller countries perhaps are non-existent. Although most people that raise worms have no problem with these chemicals, I do, that food waste goes through a hot compost.
    I may just be weird, but I have taken it a bit further by using primarily locally grown organic, or foods from my garden for my worms. My thinking is the local biology on these foods will survive in WI where the biology on a watermelon from CA probably would not.
    Been using FINISHED leaf mold as a substitute for peat, works great for me. Never been a fan of Coco coir, glad Canada is being responsible for the protection of the peat bogs
    Enjoy your videos, Stay Well !!!!

    • @barbaravanerp4598
      @barbaravanerp4598 5 днів тому +1

      So you do hot compost and then feed it to your worms?

    • @brianseybert192
      @brianseybert192 5 днів тому +1

      @@barbaravanerp4598 Mostly I use the aged hot compost as a part of my potting mix and to amend my garden soils.
      I use mainly shredded leaves and various stages of leaf mold as bedding for my worms. Stopped using shredded paper and cardboard for worm bedding several years ago, the leaves introduce a lot more diversity of biology to the castings.
      Stay Well !!!!

    • @barbaravanerp4598
      @barbaravanerp4598 5 днів тому +1

      @ thanks! I’ve been looking at old Eliot Coleman videos and getting the straw today to create the walls. I have a worm bin too. I don’t use cardboard for food but use paper without ink, egg cartons etc.

  • @Tamsins_Potager
    @Tamsins_Potager 6 днів тому +2

    Love your work 💚

  • @ausfoodgarden
    @ausfoodgarden 6 днів тому +2

    Because Canada has such large areas of peat bogs and the industry is very regulated, I don't see it as an awful choice.
    In Australia where farmable bogs are much smaller, it's been very destructive. Some studies suggest that harvested areas in Tasmania will take many decades
    to recover back to the sequestration stage. Coir is a very variable product, but there's a pretty good brand here in Australia. So coir for me!
    Thanks for discussing this logically and not going, devil or saint. 😊👍

  • @donavinnezar
    @donavinnezar 5 днів тому +2

    human rights issues aside , in my case coconut coir definitely is the more sustainable option

  • @solarminer7194
    @solarminer7194 6 днів тому +3

    I just use wood chips and compost and fertilizer.

  • @wildedibles819
    @wildedibles819 6 днів тому +2

    Yes buying the waste product and putting it to use... It's more difficult to work with but it definitely works and works better I think in wet farming... Kinda...

  • @raydel5732
    @raydel5732 6 днів тому +2

    Excellent, thank you. Ray Delbury Sussex County NJ USA

  • @darcypotterpotter6214
    @darcypotterpotter6214 5 днів тому +1

    I don’t understand how anyone could think coir is more Eco friendly the high use of water to rinse the shipping around the world by Container ships burning Bunker Oil ( least refined worst oil to burn for environment is obviously not good for climate Peat is slow to regrow but it does and the peat harvest regulations and industry insure this . I have seen many Issues with ppl locally purchasing Cheap brick coir and then Not Buffering it and end up with Calcium deficiency in their plants If You Do Not purchase Pre Buffered Coir you Must rinse , drain And Buffer at home before use

  • @cbryanto
    @cbryanto 5 днів тому +1

    one only has to quantify the destruction of old growth forests to grow Coconut. The biodiversity plummets to one.

  • @Charles-bj7qu
    @Charles-bj7qu 6 днів тому +1

    Thank you.

  • @mssavedin92
    @mssavedin92 День тому

    interesting re coir process and how it affects workers.
    I was looking at how they make jaggery and how they mine for salt lamps....indeed these workers are worked hard.

  • @andydroid9782
    @andydroid9782 6 днів тому

    Love you. Like that your getting more serious relaxed.

  • @yazx2434
    @yazx2434 6 днів тому

    Medial epycondilitis :) Massage your forearm up by your elbow on the underside. go side to side across the muscle rather than the length. it will be moderately painful but it will lessen and if you do that a few times a day and do some hand and wrist stretching you can probably fix it in a few weeks

  • @Pollyanna-cc3et
    @Pollyanna-cc3et 6 днів тому +4

    Peat rulz

  • @donadams2419
    @donadams2419 День тому

    This is all great information for me.

  • @IAMLove33
    @IAMLove33 6 днів тому +1

    🌞blessings❤‍🔥

  • @tobruz
    @tobruz 6 днів тому +2

    The best use for Coir is for doormats…

  • @AvonCTStyle
    @AvonCTStyle 5 днів тому

    i only found out about coconut coir for purchasing when I started to learn about worm farming & those who spoke about it said to use it because peat was being depleted, is coir harmful for using as worm bedding mixed with old potting soils & shredded papers & cardboard?

  • @wildedibles819
    @wildedibles819 6 днів тому +1

    Ya I remember soaking and draining before using coir so maybe that helps too... But ya dumping that water

  • @Hookstergram
    @Hookstergram 6 днів тому +4

    iv been saying this for years and done some research in to this. i have not watch the vid yet but will leave another comment after. i think coco coir is unsustainable and to costly to produce and unethical

  • @wildedibles819
    @wildedibles819 6 днів тому +1

    Peat bogs ya I live in this kinda area and you can go up to Sandy Rocky areas... It's very interesting and stay on the roots... Beware creeks under the bog here springs in the middle of them❤
    I love Ontario 💕💞6 hrs or so north of Toronto keeping traffic in mind 😂

  • @danielrogers997
    @danielrogers997 6 днів тому

    Ac infinity coco coir is triple washed and is buffered. It may not be regulated but i don't think a company like that would risk everything selling bad stuff.

  • @richy7tube
    @richy7tube 5 днів тому +3

    We need more carbon in the air so the plants grow better. That way the carbon in sequestration is living carbon instead of dead carbon.

  • @edengardenlabs7773
    @edengardenlabs7773 6 днів тому +2

    God been making peat moss all his time no problem but like always canada messes it up lol this why we cant have nice things

    • @wayneessar7489
      @wayneessar7489 6 днів тому +2

      110,000,000 hectares of Peatland in Canada.

  • @SoNoFTheMoSt
    @SoNoFTheMoSt 6 днів тому +3

    Peat is Irish! :)

  • @jayla007
    @jayla007 6 днів тому +3

    As always, thank you Ashley! I have been subscribed since forever, and look forward to every post.
    Merry Christmas from an hour south of the BC border crossings!
    (Duty-free alcohol FTW!!!! 🤣🤣🤣)

  • @wildedibles819
    @wildedibles819 6 днів тому +1

    Hemp? 🤗It's one I'm interested in trying more but it's kinda like coir

    • @wayneessar7489
      @wayneessar7489 6 днів тому +1

      The Rona stores advertise a hemp mulch, it is very "straw" looking

  • @ebradley2306
    @ebradley2306 6 днів тому +2

    Don't forget the indigenous in the UK. These sites have a spiritual aspect for them as well.

  • @edengardenlabs7773
    @edengardenlabs7773 6 днів тому +2

    The truth about .....the truth videos lol. Better title .... Big peat moss EXPOSED lol or how Coco coir WHAT THEY ARNT TELLING YOU 😂

  • @user-ju7dx8mu6d
    @user-ju7dx8mu6d 6 днів тому +2

    It is pronounced "coy ur". It's not a French word. When peat is being harvested, nothing grows in the area under harvest for as long as the pit is open and little grows there for a long time after. The native community is obliterated during peat harvesting as is generally the case for coconut plantations, but coconut plantations are functioning, if overly simplified, plant communities all the time coir is being produced. You are going to talk about different growing media and so I won't leap ahead, but coir has some useful properties that distinguish it from peat and which make it useful to growers.

  • @teac117
    @teac117 6 днів тому

    Re: greenhouse.... shhh.... don't talk about oasis cubes - that'll send them into a dizzy.

  • @arnolddavis-cu7nh
    @arnolddavis-cu7nh 6 днів тому

    Truth ha buy soil

  • @MiltonWarmikael-o1m
    @MiltonWarmikael-o1m 6 днів тому +3

    Peat accumulates when Co2 levels are higher. Back in the carboniferous era when the peat built up there was 6x more Co2. If we release more Co2 the biomass would be extreme. Garden of Eden. More Co2=more oxygen= denser atmosphere=nitrogen displaced into soil.

  • @kendravoracek3636
    @kendravoracek3636 6 днів тому

    💚💚

  • @666Necropsy
    @666Necropsy 6 днів тому +2

    Coir is garbage

  • @riverunner9978
    @riverunner9978 6 днів тому

    Corrupt

  • @PlantObsessed
    @PlantObsessed 6 днів тому +1

    Crap, Coco coir.... I use that for my worm babies. Some grades are super bad and dirty. 🥺🪱

    • @brianseybert192
      @brianseybert192 6 днів тому +4

      I picked up some Coco coir several years ago, glad I caught a video before I used it regarding the salt content, never again. My wormies love their leaf mold and shredded leaves.
      Stay Well!!!!