Flames Trade Mangiapane to Caps for a Draft Pick, Myers Re-Signs with Canucks, 2024 All-Stars
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
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Mangiapane is such a fun name is say
"Eat bread" in Italian
@@ThePriorityBox I love the internet, learn something new everyday
@@JD200_ It's why he had his goal song with the flames as I Love Bread by Parry Gripp.
My dad loves him solely for his name
If only Mangiapane and Panarin could ever be on the same team and share the same line together. Two bread guys together.
A 2nd for Mangiapane is a decent return, to be honest. Conroy is stockpiling draft picks and it is definitely starting to feel like a rebuild.
For sure. This may be the easiest part of being a GM, but so far so good.
@@dontworryaboutit273 I mean, it's pretty easy to get nothing for a guy.
@@mannyoliveira776 I really hope Hubie does rebound, (even if just to 70-80 pts/season), and I was thinking about Kuzmenko too. He seems like he has the potential to fit right in to where Mang will be leaving. Good trade for both teams, I think.
you don’t think they could have gotten a late first? i don’t know seems like a slight low ball from a calgary perspective?
@@mannyoliveira776 I don't think he was committed to the tank. I think he and Lindholm just never developed the chemistry he had with Barkov and the others.
I don't think he was ever destined to be a consistent 100+ pt player. Just look at what happened to Gaudreau.
I think if he and Lindholm could have found that chemistry, Lindy would have for sure been willing to sign an extension.
But I still have faith Hubie will find his game again.
As a Caps fan, I approve.
As a Caps fan, I don't approve. We're still worlds away from the Rangers and Canes. We're still probably behind New Jersey. Adding some 50-60 point players like Dubois and Mangiapane is an improvement to our team for sure, but we're still probably just the 4th best team in the division. I think we're more likely to finish bottom 3 in the division than we are to finish top 3 in the division.
I'd rather commit to a rebuild than give up a 2nd round draft pick (even a Colorado 2nd round draft pick) for a 1 year rental of a 2nd line winger for a team that's borderline about whether or not they'll make the playoffs. Especially if he's getting 5.8 million for one season and isn't likely to be worth 5.8 million. I don't think that Mangiapane has much chance of performing well enough to get us back anything more than a late 2nd round pick in return in the not unlikely event that the Capitals are out of the playoff hunt at the trade deadline.
@@mannyoliveira776 Because they're still nowhere as good as the Rangers or Canes and still very likely to finish behind the Devils. And I wouldn't be surprised if the Flyers or Islanders finished ahead of them. Why give up a second round pick for an expensive one year rental when you're probably not even going to make the playoffs, and if you do sneak in, you have almost no chance of getting through the first round.
Spencer Carbery got the best he could out of a team that seriously lacked offense for most of the season. The Caps just need the young guys they already have to step it up this season. McMichael is a RFA. Which McMichael are they going to pay for? The one that gives them about 0.3 points per game over his career so far, or the one who shown during the second half of last season he can be a 20-30 goal producer? Lapierre and Miroshnichenko are still new to the team, and both have had to overcome health problems. Lapierre has the talent to be a 1C or 2C, and be on the top PP. The also have Ryan Leonard waiting in the wings, who they will likely sign within the next 2 years.
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Jake should get around 8.5 on the high end. He might get more. Tough to say
Shame to lose Mangiapane
So whos next to be moved from Flames? and Looks like the metro will be better now that caps are getting better?
As much as it pains me to say, probably Rasmus Anderson. Top 4 dman on a decent contract
Feel like its the caps last ride
I am genuinely perplexed that teams would go above 8x8 for Guentzel. He is a fine player, but he is already 29 years old with max production in the 70 to 80 point range. That does not feel like 9M+ territory to me. 🧡💛🧡
Caps are making some moves here on guys that have had some down years. PLD and Mangiapane can work out really well for them if carbs can get them going.
@shannon, What do you think of Gostisbehere for Canucks? Need a PP dman. Zadorov asking basically the same price as Shayne.
As a kraken fan, I still have a small grudge on Mangiapane because of his cross-check on McCann and the 1 game suspension that the DoPS gave him.
Sweet jersey. Can’t believe the Capitals dealt Forsberg 😖 coulda had another Cup maybe…
Jake Guentzel has played alongside one of the best hockey players in the world since the beginning of his NHL career. Not taking anything away from him, but could he be a little overvalued thanks to who he's played with? Does he hit 40 goals again without Crosby feeding him sick passes?
Guentzel is a really good player can score you some goals but if I were a GM I wouldn't give more than 7mil/yr
So I guess the Caps management believes they have no chance of landing a big FA.
With raised team caps on the horizon, I fear GMs could go nuts in free agency. That 10 mil for Guenzel might not be far off.
I'm really glad they got Myers, 3x3 is perfectly fine exactly what I was expecting
Jake is getting 3.5 and playing in Toronto. Like who isn’t going to want to play there in a couple years with Draisaitl and McDavid, Matthews, Tavares? Talk about center depth!
The Guentzel contract will be worth it in 2 trades and at least one retention but whoever signs him this season is set for a rebuild after the gamble. Looking at you Utah.
all we know is that on july 1st, UFA's will secure the bag and NHL GM's will have buyers remorse in 12 to 24 months.
My most wild prediction is Patrick Kane getting 9M per year for 5 years with Detroit.
Guentzel gets 500 yr and three trillion from Espoon Pallo Sadosts. My local team. Another sport all together but who would not sign to a 500 year deal?
"Cup winners are usually made up of really good players" but no stars. GMs take note of this.
0:32 Honestly, this is my least favourite move the Canucks have made in their flurry of activity this week. Having said that, it's not brutal.
If Jake wants to get paid, he won't be wearing a Canucks uniform in the fall. And that's not to say I'm calling him greedy. I'm just saying, it seems almost everyone in a position to re-sign in Vancouver has left a little bit of money on the table.
Respectfully, at this price I think the Myers singing indicates that zadorov will stay.
Guentzel is good but hes realistically a 70-80point guy, If you pay more than 9million its not worth it.
10M
He's actually 34, so to me his final year would be the only question mark for me.
Don’t see the Canes going anywhere near $10M for Jake. I hear $7.75M x 8 years is their offer. He seemed to really like playing with Aho, but if someone is silly enough to offer $10M, Jake should probably take it.
Kucherov was robbed
Zadorov's regular season was worth just over $4 million. Including his playoff performance, he's worth just over $5 million. He's going to get $6 million on July 1st, maybe even $6.5 million.
Gaaak, Myers should have been gone. Generous guy likes to give the puck away.
3 years for Meyers? Too long
The Canucks were doing so good…. Myers is fucking terrible. Guarantee you he gets bought out next summer or the year after
He has been much better since Tocchet took over. I didn't swear once due to his play this season. In previous seasons....
He would have got more as a UFA. He's big and not terrible.
@dodgersallday4290 he literally was crucial for the Nashville series, he played good defense and blocked the shot on the netherregion to prevent a goal from going in the back of Silovs net.
It's a 3M hit for a bottom pairing guy that can play in the top four if there's injuries and the term isn't terrible would of been better on a two year. His previous contract definitely wasn't a bargain at 6M but I'd say this is a fair contract with a reasonable term for a 34 year old.
He is not terrible... but at this stage of his career, he's 3rd line D and that 3M seems little bit higher than should be... I think 2.5M would be good for an older 3rd liner...
I'll miss Mangiapane, genuinely hope he does well with the Caps.
Man hate to see him go. A favorite player of mine with Calgary and always appreciated his hard working game for the flames. First Markstrom that I saw coming and understood, but still as a fan hated to see. Now Mangiapane. Feels like more may be coming from the Flames.
He is also a favourite of mine. The fact is that he was not performing for his contract the last two years. I hope he finds his form in Washington. It'll be hard to see him without a Flames uniform.
As a fan of the Capitals, it really means a lot to hear Flames fans speak of him in high regard.
We need that in Washington this year, especially if Oshie decides to hang em up. We'll cheer for him in Washington for you guys!
@@mgcgrozit He's definitely a great guy for any team, and he does a lot of charity work. Awesome dude. He had a 35 goal season a couple years ago. He is great on the rebound, not as much of a sniper. Use him kind of like Hyman and he should be effective. I felt that after his 35 goal season they used him as if he was a different player than he is. He's also good shorthanded.
Guentzel is going to be overpaid. I hope the Canucks aren't going to get caught up in the madness.
If it’s less than 9M AAV? Sure let’s try. 9M+? We should just get a couple decent top 6 forwards instead on less term.
I agree though if you put Guentzel alongside a truly elite player he can be worth 8-9M. Problem is while VAN has some great players I don't think they have a playmaker that can feed Guentzel enough opportunity to make that 8-9M seem worthwhile. And if Boeser is now a consistent 30 goal guy, does VAN even need Guentzel? There are cheaper ways to add 20-30 goals to the lineup....
@@rubberduckie5518 , his age is the biggest concern for me. I hope he cashes in, but his age, the length of term he will be getting offered is too much a risk IMO
I think Guentzel is worth around 8-8.5mil per, but I think he'll probably end up getting 9.75mil per on the open market
I need to see a full season away from 87 before I would commit that much.
He will take Skinners cap space from the Sabres.
This is where I have him to. 10M for him is nuts.
That's about right but its scary to think what he could make then produce in his 30s
He’d probly take a discount to play with a good team. For an average team, STARTING price gotta be 9M+ on long term deal.
Conroy's turning out to be a pretty good GM
Complete opposite lol. April fools was a long time ago
Conroy really does have a plan. Treliving managed the team by the seat of his pants.
I'd kind of like the Canucks to bring back Zadorov and get Taffoli instead of Guentzel, especially with the indications that things could get a bit nuts on the signing price. I'm also wondering if Millstein (the Canucks other "assistant GM") had any part in moving Mikheyev to Chicago and whether there was an understanding of that leading to signing Zadorov.
Someone will offer Guentzel too much money for too many years and he'll jump at it but it won't be Vancouver.
After the signings Nucks done, I’m starting to think Guentzel to the Canucks isn’t gonna happen unless Brock or Garland is dealt.
Caps cooked with this one
Like the last one
As a Caps fan, I've never liked Guenzel since he was a Cap-killer, but any team will be better with him. I still can't believe the Pens threw him away and kept players like Letang and Karlsson. Guenzel had been their best player for a while.
Caps tryna stay competitive and it's looking good
Slowly but surely Washington’s depth chart is looking deadly … 2 or 3 seasons ago, a few more move like that and maybe they won’t just be Ovechkin stat padding/record reaching squad.
Honestly impressed and surprised so far.
Haha, no. Capitals depth chart is not looking good AT ALL and the move for Mangiapane is not a good move and it doesn't look like Capitals are going to be any better soon. They continue to make stupid decisions, acting like buyers when they should be sellers, destroying the entire franchise for just one player. This is beyond stupid.
@@greencontroller9692lemme guess penguins fan
Idk if it was clear enough, but i meant that it looked deadly if we were 2 or 3 seasons ago.
But anyways, with the rest of your comment im assuming you are one of the “rebuilds are everything” crowd, rebuilds are far from being a 100% successful process, once you go in that direction your team might be stuck in it for decades.
You have to run it back when you got a Star of Ovechkin, Crosby or Datsyuk caliber in your line up, and thinking it’s for them individually is a mistake, these kind of players have become indistinguishable from your franchise through the years, this second that they slow down, it isnt worth it anymore mentality is very NHL whatever year EA sports game like.
What reason do Washington fans have to show up without Ovechkin doing Ovechkin things, without a shot at the playoff and a team showing they are trying to make it ? None … and don’t forget this whole show is profit driven.
In a rebuild scenario, it’s sell everything not young and cheap, be stuck with contracts that look rough now out of the context they were signed in. Hope every season you finish among the lasts (with empty seats) to hopefully have a good position in a shitty lottery with no guarantees of getting the talent you need … if you struck gold congrats maybe you might be out of it in less than 10 years … if not your CBJ or Buffalo, good luck with that.
@@greencontroller9692 In the past two years, the Caps have sold on: Lars Eller, Erik Gustaffson, Marcus Johanson, Dimitri Orlov, Anthony Mantha, Evgeny Kuzentsov, and Joel Edmunson. But yeah, apparently, they're "buyers" because they still need SOMEBODY to play in their top six. They've bought one year of Mangiapane, who will probably get flipped at next year's deadline, and taken a flier on Dubois (and moved out an overpaid backup goalie while doing it). That's it.
@@greencontroller9692 this is the most wild, off the mark take I've ever read on a teams off season moves I've ever read lmao.
Mangiapane is a good depth player to help the team have more scoring options than Strome/Ovi/McMichael. And it's one year at his cap hit that's nothing, especially when they aren't resigning Aube-Kubel. They need players to ice a team and Mangiapane is a good player.
Guentzel seems like a risk im thinking he gets around 8.5-9.5 but I wouldn’t be comfortable giving him more than 7.5
Gaudreau got 9.75 two years ago. He will definitely pass that number.
Ya cause that contract is great …
pretty much lars eller for mangiapane, not too shabby
Still waiting on that big Yzerman trade.... 🤔
Caps aren’t going anywhere, and they’re not done 🔥
Ichabods last ride with how the caps are arming up
Now we know what it is, splash the cash and save nothing in case you want to make a move later on. And I think we know what the situation with Oshie is likely to be, it's pretty much a replacement for TJ
Apparently the Canucks offered Guentzel $65 million over 7 years. However, he's now expected to get $68 million over 7 years, perhaps even $10 million a season. That's a bit much.
Canucks should pass and look at some budget options. Guentzel would be awesome, but roster has some holes to fill out to stay competitive.
Something that I feel like is getting missed with the Guentzel talks is that Carolina can give him 8 years whereas everywhere else can only do 7 years. We have to remember that even if the Canes only pay him something like 7.75 million per year for 8 years, that would be the equivalent of him making 8.8 million per year on a 7 year deal somewhere else. So Carolina might seem like they are lowballing if they offer him under 8 million, but if they are offering him the full 8 year term it kind of evens out. Hopefully they can get him locked up.
Guentzel is going to get 8 x 9.5million for sure
I'd guess north of $10M with his compete level and playoff scoring
I think there might be some sticker shock with Guentzel, but I’m far from convinced high 9s-low 10s is an overpay in today’s market and with the rising cap, considering his 94 point, 34 goal pace.
If it starts to approach Nylander/Pettersson/Pastranak money I become skeptical.
I agree tbh I think 9.5 is fair for Guentzel anything higher is a no for me
Allvin has been doing great work. Every signing has been been around 20% less than what could be had on the open market👌 Zadorov has already made good money in his career so if he wants over 5M per then bye-bye 🖖
caps basically got mangiapane for eller?
Basically, and he’s a huge upgrade over the version of TJ we have rn
Us Caps fans will always have a special place in our hearts for Lars Eller. Him knocking in the puck that got through Fleury. The first Cup winner born and trained in Denmark.
Conroy is getting rid of a load of bad contracts and freeing up cap space. Hopefully they won’t overpay in the free agent market. In Connie I trust.
Steal for the Caps. A 2nd round pick is cheap.
Flames gonna overpay Debrusk
He’d look good in a Flames jersey, but how much you think he gets from Calgary?
321k…nicely moving along with the subscriber #’s! Was it not at about 310k just a few months ago..pre post season. 🌟🌟🌟🎹✅
#33 for Don Beaupre?
Yes! I thought he did a pretty good job with the Caps!
Lets go CAPS!!
Guentzel should get 10 mill at the least. Is he worth that? Idk that’s why I’m stuck on the couch whereas the smart guys are working for nhl teams and will decide that
I don’t think they’re all smart. 😂 just watch July 1st.
Owners are more in on the “big fish” type of deals. That kind of money thrown around probly needs an owner to sign off on.
Honestly, I feel like this is a good trade for both teams. I think Mangiapane needed a change of scenery, and he has room and potential to grow as a Capital.
And at the same time, I think Calgary brought in enough goal scoring talent last year, plus they have some good goal scoring talent ready to move up from the AHL, that I don't think Mangiapane's goal scoring capabilities will be missed too much. The first year might see some growing pains, but I think within two years Calgary should see those goals back.
Another master class move by Conroy. Mangiapane is not the 35 goal scorer he was two years ago. Well over paid at $5.8 million! At best he's a 15 - 20 goal scorer so costing too much.
I think there's a good chance that he'll score more than 20 goals next season, but he's still overpaid.
It will takes tons of effort to undone Treliving's disasters. Well, at least he is Leafs problem now.
Yeah but that makes it a masterclass move on Brian McClellan too as they aren't looking for a 30+ goal guy, they need a middle six 20 goal scorer.
@@butcherpete2286 Mangiapane is a good fit and he makes the Capitals slightly better. But a guy whose career high is 55 points, whose second best season is 43 points, and who has scored just 43 points and 40 points the last two seasons, but is getting paid 5.8 million this season shouldn't cost a 2nd round pick.
And a team which is still probably not even good enough to return to the playoffs next season shouldn't be making trades like this.
@@gabrielrockman A team that isn't good enough to return to the playoffs shouldn't be trading for scoring depth on expiring contracts, that they can flip at the next trade deadline with salary retained, likely for more than they just spent to acquire it? That sounds like EXACTLY the kind of thing a team that may not make the playoffs should do.
Shannon is wearing Caps colors and I get to root for my favorite name in sports for at least one season. Today's okay.
probably around 8.5M/6years
As a Hurricanes fan, I'm worried what the Guentzel deal will mean for us retaining other players and what it would mean for us long term, because he's not going to be worth it the full 8 years like some alternatives (Necas) for that deal would. And Guentzel alone doesn't replace the players we'd lose to make that work
We can't pay big Z $5mil for being a number 4-6th dman. The problem is that you can't play him too high up for too long because then he's prone to making mental mistakes. I think $4.5-4.75mil times four years is decent for big Z. Maybe someone will randomly pay him $5-6mil/season on July 1st...
I loved Jake during his time with the Pens but holy cow he's not a $10M/year player. I think the max he could get is $8.5M but I don't know who pulls a trigger on a deal like that. Maybe he heads to Seattle?
Jake is worth 10 million on the right team like Coyotes ,I mean Utah,great young team,lots of Cap space building for future,six solid years let ,win-win!
Hey THG, I was wondering if you could do a video explaining the player assistance program and how trades work in it. Along with the stages. Could be a useful video for people who are curious.
I liked Mang. I just thank God that godforsaken Markstrom is gone. I would've traded him to Siberia for used jock straps after that Oilers series a couple of years ago but that's just me.
The talent the Flames have traded away in the past 3 years is stunning.
The NHL now has it's own "G-league", and Calgary is the posterchild.
Calgary has been dumping players ever since losing that high scoring series against the Edmonton Oilers. They were a decent team back then. I’m a bit frustrated over the way they’ve been treating the players from back then.
That's why I can't get invested into the NHL so much - not even 2 or 3 years gone and all of your favourite players from a team are already scattered all around the continent. There's so much movement going on you've got no chance to grow attached to a team the same way as in, say football (vel 'soccer'). At least if you don't have a club in your area :)
I like Jake, but he isnt a 10 million player. If he goes to a team without a big name 1C, i fear he could become Huberdeau 2.0
Watch Seattle give Guentzel like 9.3M+ on a 7 year deal July 1st. YHIHF
3 million is too much to pay a 3rd pairing guy, even someone you're familiar with and like.
I am very okay with this
Its good to see Calgary begin to tear it all down. Just clean house. Teams a total disaster and hasnt done anything exciting in 2 decades.
Lookin great in the Caps garb, much like the latest Caps trades! 🎉
Give Guentzel 7.8 or something per year it feels more than fair.
Guinzal however you spell it is a only worth maybe 8.5 to 9 mil per in my opinion.
Guentzel should not make more than 8, maybe 8.5
Calgary needs to be honest with their fans and tell the plan. Not this "retooling"
Now Kadri back to the Leafs . JH and a 1st to Utah for a water bottle.
He falls down alot
He gets 8.5 to 9.
I can absolutely see Guentzel hitting $10 million per, especially if he accepts a shorter term.
How many wingers in the league would you put ahead of him? Three or four? How many of them are free agents on Monday?
Figure he's staying in Carolina, but he can afford to go wherever he wants. A few teams are big game hunting, and he's the top prize.
Only way he gets 10M is if he takes a 3 or 4 year deal. I doubt he’s gonna do that though. Some sucker will pay 6 or 7 year term. Maybe Seattle 😝
I think Guentzel gets maybe 8-9 million. He's a point a game player even without Crosby as he proved with Carolina. A 2 time 40 goal scorer. He lacks defensive awareness though. But the offense makes up for that. Just put him with a good defensive center like Crosby or Aho.
calgary’s been rebuilding since they traded zadorov to vancouver early this past season
As a Flames fan I love the rebuild and I am excited for it. no stress going into the season just keep building.
Chicago should give guenzel 15mil for 2 years
rangers PLEASE do not sign Guentzel for more than 9mil. we dont need the scoring that much
Washington Capitals rebuild will be the most brutal rebuild since GM Ken Holland left the Red Wings.
Hershey has so much talent being developed. What are you talking about? Lol
You buy them for the now not the later I heard that somewhere …
Guentzel 7x9
I'm sure alot of Shitsburg fans would agree with me in that Guentzel should have stayed a Pen, but I get that Jake might not have wanted to be a part of a sinking ship.