STAR TREK IV: THE VOYAGE HOME (1986) | FIRST TIME WATCHING | MOVIE REACTION
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00:00 - Intro
01:06 - Reaction
39:00 - Review - Розваги
For those of us who grew up in the Cold War the "nuclear wessels" scene was immediately understandable and absolutely hilarious.
Right, at that time the Soviet Union still existed and was the arch nemesis of the U.S. so a Russian sounding person like Chekov asking where the nuclear vessels are had a whole different impact.
Makes me laugh every time
And when they showed it in the USSR, that scene got the biggest laugh as well.
Was just about to mention that! 🤣
Right! Cold war kids know you don't let The Reds near your nuclear wessels!
The "Hello, Computer." line by Scotty has cracked me up for 30+ years.
He was pretty good on a keyboard for someone who thought it was quaint.
But now that technology exists , so in a way the film has dated itself to us too !!
Computer....? ❤️
I named one of my external hard drives “Hello, Computer”! 🤣
@@carltonbakerii8274 🤣🤣🤣🤣❤️
One of my favorite things about Deforest Kelly's performance as MCoy, he wanted to be a doctor but couldn't go to medical school so he became an actor. It was always a special moment for him when a fan would tell him that he inspired them to go into medicine
Same with James Doohan. Generations of people did become engeneers or mechanics, because of him.
You have to listen to James Doohans interview about the suicidal fan.... these people cared for their roles and the people they touched
@@thomasnieswandt8805 One of the most beautiful interviews I've ever seen. Jimmy Doohan was a gentleman with a giant heart.
Couldn't be a doctor himself so he created hundreds, maybe thousands of others. He might have saved more lives as a fake doctor than he ever would have done being a real one.
Whenever Kelley got a fan letter from a doctor he had inspired, he would send them back a publicity picture of himself as Dr. McCoy with the caption "To the real McCoy from the reel McCoy" with his signature.
@@donaldball3245 aw hell that's adorable and clever, and obviously heartfelt. I'd never heard that, thanks for sharing Donald. Take care out there man
I had the pleasure of seeing Walter Koenig (Chekov) at a convention a few months before it opened in theatres. At the time, all he was allowed to tell us about the movie was, "It's about whales." However, he did relate one bit: during the chase scene aboard the ship, those were real Marines, and their dogs, chasing him. All Nimoy told them was, "Get him! (Koenig)" He said, "I have never run so fast in my entire life."
The Marine compliment aboard carriers are some particularly intense guys.
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home holds a distinct record as being the ONLY Star Trek movie where NO ONE dies in it. And in theaters when the Enterprise-A appeared on screen some people stood up and cheered.
Apparently Nimoy insisted on it, as there was so much death in his previous direction. Made a nice change.
Gillian's boss' ego died. With that slap.
👍
"Everybody lives, Rose. Just this once, everybody lives!"
No one wore a red shirt 🤣
For some reason my favorite moment in this whole movie is the old woman in the hospital shouting, "The doctor gave me a pill and I grew a new kidney!" It's a funny punchline to Bones' interference, but also a genuinely wonderful and touching moment for all of us who have seen loved ones suffer through illness and grueling medical treatments. It encapsulates what Star Trek is about: the promise that the future will not only have spaceships and laser guns but a genuinely better quality of life for everyone
Exactly. The deteriorating human genome reset to factory settings.
Science fiction operates in the arena of the greatest element of life: hope.
And free healthcare!! 👌🏾
Hate to break it to you, but there will always be pain and suffering on Earth, regardless of how much technology improves. We are doomed to live with hardship and death because of sin. There is only the salvation of the Christ to free us from torment. John 3:16
@@thomast8539 blah blah blah
WHOA WHOA WHOA! Hold the phone! Saavik said goodbye to Spock as they were about to leave and Cassie said, "See you next Pon Farr!" and did a sly wink and finger guns! First I laughed so hard my ribs still hurt, but please take a moment to appreciate this. I've been watching movies with Cassie and Carly for quite a while now and they have mentioned several times that their father is a HUGE Star Trek fan. But different times and interests and all that. Now here we are a few years after starting this channel, and Cassie made a solid, true fan, inside joke that was absolutely perfect. I hope your father gets to hear that joke, and I love that you are watching these movies and have come to understand why so many people all around the world love Star Trek. Peace and Long Life. 🖖
According to several fan theories, the reason Lt. Savik remained on Vulcan with Amanda was because she was pregnant (ether with David or Spock. In the novel,she was intimate with both). Of course, there is another fan theory that she was really Spock’s daughter with the Romulan Commander, which is why he mentored her in Star Fleet.😎😎😎
I agree. That was a total experienced trekkie joke. And, she totally nailed the execution of the joke. I nearly spat my drink out.
@@robertwall1419 I figured she was preggers with Spocks kid after pulling him through Pon Farr on Genesis.
It was in one of the script drafts. Savik was pregnant with Spock's child. It was dropped.
@@robertwall1419 That latter one is ridiculous. The novel plainly states that Saavik is half-Vulcan, half-Romulan, from the planet Hellguard. It's a shame Kirstie Alley didn't keep playing her, as she nailed that dichotomy perfectly. Robin Curtis played Saavik in such a way that she sounded like a robot instead of a real person. And as someone said in a fan magazine that came out shortly after this movie, they had been on Vulcan for THREE MONTHS and THAT was Saavik's first opportunity to tell Kirk that David saved her life? That part of the script had some really sloppy writing.
This is and always shall be, my favorite one. So many references and one liners. "Dr. gave me a pill and I grew a new kidney!" I never sit in front of a computer without saying, "Hello computer."
I went to a convention in the 90’s and Jimmy Doohan (Scotty) was there. One of the audience asked him his favorite line and he gave us a demonstration of it “Admiral, there be whales here”. The place went absolutely nuts. I’ll never forget it.
I might have been at that Con!
No way! His delivery of that line in TVH always gets me.
I got to see this in theaters a few years ago, it's easily one of the best theatrical experiences I've ever had. Seeing the Enterprise in the end had me in tears.
@@lordadrianrichter3409 "My friends... we've come home."
And THAT was what the title of the movie was all about!
Sounds vaguely...pirate.
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space" is one of my favourite lines, especially the way Shatner says it.
Having been born in Iowa and grown up in Nebraska, that bit has special meaning to me.
If you ever are driving through Iowa riverside is a wonderful stop. They have a whole museum about Star Trek and even a concrete plaque proudly proclaiming Kirk will be born there.
Don't tell me you don't use money in the 23rd Century. Kirk : Well, we don't.
I tried that line once. Yeah, we only had the one date.@@Kevin_Flynn
@@Kevin_Flynnthe funny part is that he had some, but she didn't ask that question.
Seeing that 1701-A appear in the theater was SO COOL... i knew you'd love this one :)
The whole "do you like Italian?" back and forth is one of the best interactions of any of the films. To this day still cracks me up.
It's very subtle, but another is the expression on Kirk/Shatner's face when he takes his first sip of beer.
@@lesnyk255”it’s not that synthehol bitters that O’Brien offered me, is it?”
For years afterward, my dad would say “Gracie’s pregnant” out of the blue, and we would crack up.
🤣
"I don't know about you, but my compassion for someone is not limited to my estimate of their intelligence.". That's such a great line.
I love that line too!
The dedication to the Challenger crew (who we had lost only ten months before this movie was released) always makes me teary-eyed.
Yup.
The TOS crew were intrinsically tied to the NASA program, especially the Moon race, the 1st Orbital Shuttle was named Enterprise to honour TOS.
Shatner, at the 30th anniversary gala in 1996, said, "when the rockets went up, our ratings went up, and when they came down, so did the ratings"
I watched the explosion of the Challenger live on TV. As soon as it happened, I threw in the closest VHS tape into the VCR and recorded the next 8 hours of coverage. What a shock that was.
That happened on my 7th birthday.
"I recognize her"
Both the husband and the wife of the later television show '7th Heaven' had roles in Star Trek 1 and 4, respectively.
Oooohhhh yeah.
just an FYI.. Scotty showed them how to make transparent aluminum. It was considered impossible by scientists at the time, and to be a bit of fanciful jargon for a gimmick to facilitate the plot. Recently scientists made it. Transparent Aluminum exists now.
It's called Aluminium oxynitride is a transparent ceramic composed of aluminum, oxygen and nitrogen. UA-cam has video of it.
@@MatthewPettyST1300 That's cheating.
Yeah but who invented it?
@@user-cr5mq9lz8rwe can’t say, it’ll cause too many temporal ruptures.
@@user-cr5mq9lz8rhis name is, if I recall correctly, Montgomery Scott
I don't normally make bold statements beforehand, but I guarantee that the humor in this one is going to win Cassie over.
I agree. Saw this movie in the theater when it first came out & I loved it. And there were moments that had the audience just laughing their butts off; one in particular that I won't say anything about (no spoilers) that is definitely going to have Cassie laughing like crazy.
But the story itself SUCKS!@@donaldfleming5049
Definitely went out on a limb with that one…😉🌲
exactly what I was thinking at 16:25...("nuclear fishin'!")
@@hughjorg4008 Did you really have to make something political out of this? It was totally unnecessary.
Nemoy once explained that he never played spock as a man in control of his emotions. But rather a man close to losing control.
Nimoy
@@GGGritzer right. knemoy.
@@Lazrael32 Got it, Neemoi.
@@theevilascotcompany9255 Very well, にもい.
“One damn minute, Admiral”
😂😂😂 the hardest I’ve ever laughed at Spock…
Ahhh gotta love those colorful metaphors. 😂😂
FUN FACT: Although not shown in this UA-cam edit there is a woman who comes up to Chekov and Uhura when they are asking where the nuclear "wessels" were and she gave them directions to the Naval Base in Alameda! That woman was not an actor but a regular person who just happened to be walking by! Apparently she was not a Star Trek fan because she didn't recognize Nichelle Nichols and Walter Koenig and also somehow didn't notice the cameras filming the scene. Director Nimoy liked the unplanned spontaneity and kept her in the final film!
the 'oo I am not sure I think it's across the bay, in Alameda' lady? That would be hilarious.
Yeah, I heard to film crew had to run after her to ask for permission to use the shot.
That is one of my fav little trivia bits about this movie, her sarcastic reply to Uhura and Chekov is epic XD
The whole of that scene was filmed covertly to get genuine reactions from the people in the street including the cop.
😂😂😂 absolutely crazy 😂
Probe: "Oh, hey. You're back. What happened?"
George & Gracie: "It's been a weird day..."
Probe: "I'll be going now"
yeah ikr? no, "oh really, they killed your mom and dad and all your cousins? we'll see about that!"
A rather apt summary…
But, should it be of interest to- there was a novel released for the film, below is a transcript of the novel version of the “conversation”
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[Probe] “why did you remain silent for so long?”
They (the whales) tried to explain, but it reacted in surprise and disbelief.
“Where were you?” It asked.
“We were not here,” they replied, “but now we have returned. We cannot explain, traveller, because we do not yet understand all that has happened to us.”
By ‘us’, the traveller understood them to mean themselves as individuals and all their kind for millions of years in the past. By their song it recognised them as youths.
“Who are you?” It asked. “Where are the others? Where are the elders?”
“They are gone,” the whales sang, with sadness. “They have passed into the deep, they have vanished upon white shores. We alone survive.”
“Your song is simple,” the traveller said, chiding. It was not above petulance. “Where are the tales you have invented in all this time, and where are the stories of your families?”
“They are lost,” replied the whale song. “All lost. We must begin again. We must evolve our civilisation again. We have no other answer.”
The traveller hesitated. It wondered if perhaps it should sterilise the planet anyway espite the presence of the untaught singing youths. But if it began a new evolution here, the planet would be silent at least as long as it would take the traveller to circumscribe the galaxy. The traveller would have to endure the pain of the world’s silence. Organic evolution required so much time. Besides, the traveller possessed very little cruelty. It could consider destroying the young singers, but the conception caused great distress. It abandoned the idea.
“Very well,” it said. “I shall anticipate young stories.”
“Fare thee well.”
The traveller fell silent. The whales bid it farewell. The traveller collected its energy. It ended its interference with the patterns of the blue-white planet. It caused to power the violent storms ravaging the surface. It sought its usual course, oriented itself properly, and sailed on a tail of brilliant flame into the blackness of the galaxy.
The "LDS" joke probably landed even more for Cassie, since she's in Provo, Utah!
Got to see this opening night. Crowd was laughing and cheering as the lights dimmed, but when that dedication came up, it was like someone had sucked the air out of the room. Absolute silence. And then _boom_ - music kicked in and entire audience breathed out and exploded with joy. Just an amazing viewing.
I was in the navy when this movie came out. Although no one at the time, we were in the tail end of the cold war. The fact that Kirk sent his very Russian navigator into a U.S. naval base to infiltrate a nuclear vessel was genius writing and so hilarious that I still loose it when i see these scenes.
Yeah even though it doesn't stand up to basic physics as neutrons are what keep the reaction going not photons and if it had been bad enough to affect a radar set there would have been more issues than just that it is still entertaining.
And gave the US Navy a free Klingon weapon.
Same here. And I was actually stationed on the enterprise! (Not used in this movie actually, it was the USS Ranger.)
The funny thing is when I start to tell sea stories it goes something like this: "one time when I was on the enterprise, we pulled into.... (sigh) the aircraft carrier, not the starship!"
It’s still my favorite scene… newwwcular wessewls!
@@Stubbies2003 They never said they wanted to capture the particles that keep the reaction going, they said they wanted to capture energy and energy is photons.
There are six movies with the entire original cast. Number seven (“Star Trek: Generations”) is the crossover movie.
But seven is after the show, I believe.
@@KarmasAB123 7 is the first with the Next Gen Cast. Kirk, Scotty and Chekov appear in it.
@@AI_Image_Master I mean, I'm pretty sure it comes after the next generation show in terms of Picard's story.
@@KarmasAB123 it does, Which is why it's best to check out some TNG episodes after six but before 7, Rather than between 5 & 6..
@@Markus117d It doesn't really matter if she watches TNG before or after The Undiscovered Country, but watching it before has the added benefit of being confused by Worf's presence.
My all-time favorite line is Spock asking, "How will playing cards help?"......LMAO
In 1987 I was 22 years and I had just moved out of my parents home. I was in the middle of moving across the country during the summer vacation, and I spent a few days staying with an older cousin. She was a single mother and so I offered to take her young son, (aged 6) to the movies because she needed to get some work done. We went to see Star Trek The Voyage Home and I absolutely LOVED it. I was already a fan from having watched the TOS reruns on TV, and TNG had not aired yet, although it was in production. ST 4 Voyage Home was and still is (IMO) the best ST movie ever!!! I loved the humor and the fun action!!
You're beginning to appreciate one of the best things about Star Trek: a fundamentally optimistic view of the future. There are times when the creative forces behind the franchise lose sight of that, but overall it's one of the main things that set Star Trek apart from other sci-fi franchises. And it's why so many people in real life have been inspired by Star Trek in so many different ways.
Yep, the producers go with the "conflict is necessary for drama" argument but its a mistake to do away with the optimistic future part of Trek in my opinion.
@@cbcdesign001This. It's why I always preferred it to Star Wars. You get the feeling of an actual family, and I think that optimism actually is a better story-telling engine than the eternal battling of the Star Wars and recent nu-Trek universes.
@@PeterEvansPeteTakesPicturesThat's why the Starfleet 'Delta' is a Symbol, synonymous with the show's premise of a more hopeful Future. A place where petty conflicts don't exist, where everyone works together to enhance each other's lives instead of divisiveness and wanting to 'settle Scores' against everyone who doesn't think or believe like they do.
Yea well, Rodenberry was SO LIBERAL and liberal utopia weird, they basically had to remove him from direction in Star Trek. Or they couldn't make a movie anyone would want to watch.
@@cleekmaker00 That is actually the emblem of Enterprise, each ship had its own, later adapted as the Starfleet emblem
I saw this in a sold out theater in Times Square the day it opened in 1986. I vividly remember the audience applauding when the title card appeared dedicating the film to the Challenger astronauts. It had been less than a year since the accident that destroyed Challenger, and it was still fresh in everyone's minds. And of course everyone loved the movie. I'm glad you liked this one as well.
My 1st computer was a sinclair ZX81 with 16 kb ram, the moment it was up and running on Christmas day, I leaned forward to the television and said "computer, draw me a house." Imagine my surprise when nothing happened😮😢😊
I saw it opening night with my mom and when the Enterprise A showed up at the end there was a standing ovation.
"I just got full body goose bumps from Star Trek." - So did everyone else when the saw the new Enterprise. :)
My fourth viewing, and still love how you get choked up at the end , Cassie!! I'd love to see you introduce these movies to your sister. They are so fun, I think she'd adore them.
Nimoy's deadpan profanity as Spock is hysterically funny and love seeing it hit you just perfectly as well. "One damn minute, Admiral." :D
I think a lot of people miss that one. I very much appreciate dead pan non sign posted comedy.
I like his interaction with Gillian:
"They like you very much, Doctor, but they are not the hell your whales..."
"I suppose they told you that."
"The hell they did..."
I love the line Spock gives to Kirk "Your use of language since our arrival has altered with shall I say more colorful metaphors double dumbass on you and so forth" He delivers it with that classic Spock logical attitude it's just hilarious.
Love this one. A fun change of pace!
And just for reference, per Wikipedia: "As of 2018, the IUCN Red List lists the humpback whale as least-concern, with a worldwide population of around 135,000 whales, of which around 84,000 are mature individuals, and an increasing population trend."
I love that Cassie recognizes the Enterprise is also a member of the cast.
They cavalierly discard her.
I was in the navy when this movie was filmed. It was at the Coronodo Island Navy Base. The Aircraft Carrier in the front was the USS Ranger (CV-61) which was used to play the USS Enterprise (CVN-65) for the movie. The middle Carrier was the USS Kitty Hawk (CV-63) where I was stationed at the time. The Carrier in rear was the USS Constellation (CV-64). I remember driving to work that morning and seeing the "USS Enterprise" banner on the brow of the Ranger and wondering why it was there.
Luckily no one ever had to steer that USS Constellation into a planet killer!
Was wondering where they filmed that. Definitely didn't look like a set at the studio.
Yea the background was San Diego Bay.
How cool! Thanks for this info. My guest is watching this movie takes you back to that time in more ways than one. What a great memory to have from that time in your life during your service to our country. Thank you for your Service!!!
Mmm, sugar cookies!
Catherine Hicks played the mom on the TV show '7th Heaven', alongside actor Stephen Collins, who played Captain William Decker in Star Trek: The Motion Picture.
She was also the mom in the first Child's Play/Chucky movie as well...
The less said about Stephen Collins the better
Isn’t she also the mom in the 1st Child’s Play?
Thank you it was bugging me too where I knew her from. I loved 7th heaven. The cast from there have certainly gone in opposite directions. Jessica Biel a star and that sicko the less said the better.
@@aussiepie4865 who are we not supposed to be mentioning?
Fun fact: the whale message translates as "So long, and thanks for all the fish".
Wrong aquatic species and wrong sci fi franchise I’m afraid. 😂😂😂
But, there was a novel released to coincide with the film release, what follows is a copy of the text of that scene
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[Probe] “why did you remain silent for so long?”
They (the whales) tried to explain, but it reacted in surprise and disbelief.
“Where were you?” It asked.
“We were not here,” they replied, “but now we have returned. We cannot explain, traveller, because we do not yet understand all that has happened to us.”
By ‘us’, the traveller understood them to mean themselves as individuals and all their kind for millions of years in the past. By their song it recognised them as youths.
“Who are you?” It asked. “Where are the others? Where are the elders?”
“They are gone,” the whales sang, with sadness. “They have passed into the deep, they have vanished upon white shores. We alone survive.”
“Your song is simple,” the traveller said, chiding. It was not above petulance. “Where are the tales you have invented in all this time, and where are the stories of your families?”
“They are lost,” replied the whale song. “All lost. We must begin again. We must evolve our civilisation again. We have no other answer.”
The traveller hesitated. It wondered if perhaps it should sterilise the planet anyway espite the presence of the untaught singing youths. But if it began a new evolution here, the planet would be silent at least as long as it would take the traveller to circumscribe the galaxy. The traveller would have to endure the pain of the world’s silence. Organic evolution required so much time. Besides, the traveller possessed very little cruelty. It could consider destroying the young singers, but the conception caused great distress. It abandoned the idea.
“Very well,” it said. “I shall anticipate young stories.”
“Fare thee well.”
The traveller fell silent. The whales bid it farewell. The traveller collected its energy. It ended its interference with the patterns of the blue-white planet. It caused to power the violent storms ravaging the surface. It sought its usual course, oriented itself properly, and sailed on a tail of brilliant flame into the blackness of the galaxy.
I went to a local ST convention in the 90s, where James Doohan (Scotty) made an appearance. At everyone's behest, one of the first things he did during the Q &A was to bellow out "Admiral! There be whales here!!!" The whole room went nuts.
The whales, George and Grace, were named after George Burns and Gracie Allen, married comedians and actors from vaudeville, radio, film, and television for 40 years, a legendary team.
My favourite story about the behind the scenes of this film is the extra that tried to give directions to Uhura and Checkov, Layla Sarakalo, was only there as her car had been impounded because it wasn't moved for the production. She asked if she could be an extra to earn money to get her car back and was told by director Leonard Nimoy to act natural, and she improvised her dialogue. This caused a headache for the production as, because she wasn't in the Screen Actors' Guild, she couldn't be on screen giving dialogue, but they couldn't make the scene work any other way because of how the others reacted to her improvising, so they had to track her down and induct her into the guild so they could use the scene
That's a great story; I never knew that! :)
It's called Taft Hartley. They probably paid her initial dues to SAG for her (not as bad as now, but still a good sum to have to come up with if you aren't expecting it). After that, it would have been up to her to pay her biyearly dues. (pretty minimal dues if she did nothing after that movie though). Nice thing is that she gets residuals every time the movie is shown 🙂
That’s a hell of a story.
As a supporter of unions it is stories like this one that helps me understand why so many people hate them.
@@thequarteryearman9305 according to IMDB it's her only credited role so she was never in anything else. However, it seems she was a huge Star Trek fan so, despite having her car impounded, she probably had the time of her life doing that scene
So nice to see someone young spend time with these movies and appreciate them the way the older folks (like me) do. Thank you for appreciating these movies and getting a sense of what a lot of us old folks feel...that these characters are part of our extended family and have been since we were little. 🙂
I saw this opening night in 1986. What a welcome storyline after 2 & 3's devastating scenes!. Shatner, Nimoy, Kelly, Duhan, Takei, Koeng & Nichols are all at their very best here...looks like they all had a lot of fun making it too! The difference in tone between 3 & 4 shows Nimoy's talents and range as a director.
My Mom took me to this. It was my first ST film She didn't take me to the ones before it because I was too young to handle the content. Still one of my favorite memories.
What's great about this movie is you don't have to be a Star Trek fan to enjoy it. One of my favorites.
True! Star Trek has so much Cultural Clout that even Non-Trekkies will enjoy the Film!
This was my first anything related to Star Trek. I was born in 81 so I grew up knowing what all this was so I didnt need to have things explained.
Some jokes probably landed better at that particular time, is my guess. But I agree with your statement.
Well... yeah but you would be confused half the time.
Same with "First Contact" imo
If you recall Trouble with Tribbles, Scotty reads technical manuals on his own time for the pleasure of it. You bet your ass he knows who invented transparent aluminum, and when.
Yes, and history will show it was always the guy in the movie. Scotty has it right.
In the movie doesn't Scotty later say that he left a virus on the guy's computer that would delete the information once they were gone? So it would not affect the future? Although Chekov still left a bunch of 23rd century gadgets behind on the Enterprise.
exactly to think one of the best engineers in star fleet didn't know who invented transparent aluminum is silly.
Her name is Catherine Hicks. She plays the mom in WB TV series named 7th Heaven. Stephen Collins, who played Commander Decker in Star Trek the Motion Picture. Jessica Beil plays the oldest daughter. It was a great show.
Sorry, Stephen Collins played the dad in 7th Heaven.
I liked it when the president reads out the charges and says "certain mitigating circumstances" and you said "such as saving the world", because that's the same comment me and my dad always make when it gets to that part!
The footage of the whales was all done with miniature anamatronics and it was so well done that some people accused the production of getting too close to actual whales.
Those were incredible puppet that actually swam. The first time I had seen them suspended in water, I was gobsmacked.
I honestly thought that somehow they finagled real interactions and shots of whales. It wasn't until a few years ago I found out the truth. That's why, to this date, although films like Terminator 2 are deservedly given plaudits such as, "Best special effects ever!" I honestly think the award goes to Star Trek IV: The One With the Whales.
OV-99 Challenger suffered a complete breakup 73 seconds after launch on January 28, 1986. Star Trek IV premiered November 26, 1986. I saw it opening night. That dedication led to an immediate standing ovation... and tears
One thing you can guarantee about Star Trek fans - most keep up with things like space tech, astronauts/cosmonauts and developments in manned space flight. And when events like Challenger and Columbia happen, we Trek fans get hit HARD. Many NASA scientists, engineers and astronauts got into their fields BECAUSE of Star Trek. There's a deep crossover. That dedication was very appropriate. Very needed. And much appreciated by all.
one of the more intriguingly unnerving things is, all three of NASA's spaceflight disasters happened in the same week (though different years)
AS-204 "Apollo 1" - January 27, 1967
STS-51-L "Challenger" - January 28, 1986
STS-107 "Columbia" - February 1, 2003 (launched a week earlier)
... the last week of January is apparently a very unlucky time to be on the launchpad.
That dedication is still overwhelming touching to me. I remember watching the Challenger disaster as unfolded in the day. It was a tragedy on so many levels.
@@k1productions87Not everything bad happens on the pad in January. On January 31, 1961 Ham the Astro Chimp was launched into space, abducted by aliens and recruited by an interstellar council of sapient races to save the galaxy from various villains...
...unless I'm trapped in that alternate universe where Ham just went up and then down without incident.
I love the little extra bits of unused footage that play during the end credits, in particular the shot of Scotty emerging from the Klingon ships hatch, where he tries to reach the ladder but _misses_ then slides right down the hull into the water!😂
With regard to the Challenger disaster dedication,
The TOS crew were intrinsically tied to the NASA program, especially the Moon race. The 1st Orbital Shuttle was named Enterprise to honour TOS.
Shatner, at the 30th anniversary gala in 1996, said, "when the rockets went up, our ratings went up, and when they came down, so did the ratings"
"Communicate. Send your message!"
"So long, and thanks for all the fish."
You Hitch-hiker, you ......😂
You are a hoopy frood who knows where their towel is. 👍😎
FORTY-TWO!!!!!
Don't Panic.
@@chrisbanks6659That would be a great reaction.
This might be my new favorite channel. Your uncynical, guileless, just totally open-to-the-experience reactions somehow makes the watching of decades old classics fresh and makes me want to watch movies that I've skipped over the years. You're like the friend that makes every trip better because they're always into the experience instead of fault-finding and over-analyzing. Absolutely love it!
Absolutely true. Cassie is like that friend who makes everything better just with their presence and their nature.
Agree 100%
"Star Trek world is the good one." Most correct line ever!
I can't stop trying to catch a glimpse of Scotty's right hand now I know he lost a finger in WW2, but he's always so careful to hold that hand at an angle where you can't tell. James Doohan took 6 bullets in Normandy, crazy stuff, glad he made it!
Watch The Trouble with Tribbles - when he walks into the mess room with an armful and say, "Aye, they're into the machinery.", you can see that he's missing a finger.
Thanks for the tip, I was just shocked that I never noticed and only learned about it recently
@@jamesbrown4092 A better episode is the one where Kirk splits into his good and evil selves. When Scotty goes for evil space pup, you can clearly see his missing finger.
If you watch the episode Relics ( The Next Generation ) Scotty is on the holodeck with a recration of bridge of the Orginal 1960s Enterprise. He's holding a glass & drinking with Captain Picard. You can clearly see his missing finger.
The worst part is, it was friendly fire (whoops).
It was a cigarette case from his brother that saved him
Since then, real science has developed transparent aluminum. Also, the Challenger disaster was in January of 1986. This came out in December, audiences like me were reminded of the event almost a whole year earlier.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_oxynitride
It's called Aluminium oxynitride is a transparent ceramic composed of aluminum, oxygen and nitrogen. UA-cam has video of it.
It was out in late November, actually. Close, though.
I remember seeing the Challenger tragedy when was a kid in school. 😢
It is kinda sad to think about how all three major spaceflight disasters happened in the same week of their respective years
Apollo 1 - January 27, 1967
STS-51-L "Challenger" - January 28, 1986
STS-107 "Columbia" - February 1, 2003
FUN FACT: The punk on the bus was played by Kirk Thatcher, who is a well-known effects artist, makeup artist & filmmaker. He was an associate producer on this movie and worked for ILM and Jim Henson Productions. He wrote and performed the song he’s playing on the stereo. He makes an appearance in Spider-Man: Homecoming also holding the same kind of stereo (next to the “Do a flip!” guy). He also plays the burly Scottish hunter in Werewolf By Night.
He alsomay show up in Star Trek again if she keeps watching long enough...
Boombox.
Very cool to know.
I just really like that song....😢@@dupersuper1938
Notice how the song sang "screw you" while the punk was flipping off Admiral Kirk.
Out of all the Star Trek movies, THIS ONE is my favorite!
Mine too!
Glad you're having the same reactions most of us had seeing this in theaters. Some callbacks to TV episodes in this and ST:III were specifically "The Journey to Babel", where Spock's parents were introduced, the same actors reprising them in the movies, and "Tomorrow is Yesterday", which had the sun slingshot that was revisited here. That was also originally considered to be a sequel to "The Naked Time", but wasn't consecutively aired, and so they wound up as unrelated episodes. The slingshot was also mentioned briefly in the episode "Assignment: Earth".
Because of San Francisco's significance in the original canon of the Enterprise and the Federation, Star Trek has a special place in the hearts of San Franciscans like myself. I was living outside Portland, Oregon when Star Trek IV came out, so I made a day trip down to San Francisco just so I could watch it with a San Franciscan audience.
and now SF is a cesspool like all major cities, destryoing the earth pretending to be for it
Leonard set out to make this just a wholesome movie and he more than succeeded. Everyone is in top form here and just having a blast working together. Next to the reveal of the enterprise a my favorite scene is when the crisis has been averted and the cast is just having fun splashing each other in the water. The music is so joyful just like this entire movie. This cast was absolutely magic together
I think two of the big goals were: No villain; and every member of the crew gets something to do. Well done, Nimoy.
I don't remember any deaths in the movie, either, not onscreen anyway
@@Bnio Even as the Probe was ripping up the oceans, it was still never treated as a "bad guy" to defeat. Rather a mystery to be solved and a question to be answered.
And yes, giving every crew member something important to do was also one of the best things for me (and one of my big complaints against Wrath of Khan)
People are forgetting that about this time Nimoy was also entering his eco phase where he started doing voice over work for green charities and becoming a recycling ambassador and such so he also set out to basically make a greenpeace-style movie reminding people of all the damage we do to our planet. I think he did a great job in making a movie with a message without being too preachy but Star Trek 4 does occasionally get hate from conservatives for being "woke before people were woke" or some crap like that.
@@krashd And Star Trek IV succeeded brilliantly in raising awareness of the plight of whales.
Some fun trivia - (1) the "Punk on Bus" was actually Producer Kirk Thatcher, who just wanted the scene to be fun - and ended up being so much fun for him that he cameos in several other films as "Punk Rock Guy" and even reprised the character on an episode of Star Trek: Picard. He'd go on to direct a number of projects for The Muppets. (2) It was only ever implied, but the "See you next Pon Farr!" comment wasn't so far off the mark - the producers confirmed that they did originally intend to show that Savvik was pregnant (hence why she could not travel with the crew), but ended up cutting the references to this. (3) The Box Office success of this entry (and the rising salaries of the cast) prompted Paramount to begin production on a new Star Trek television series, Star Trek: The Next Generation, the first time new television episodes for Star Trek in 17 years at the time. (4) On the DVD commentary for Voyage Home, they played the phone message William Shatner recorded IRL for the hotline for the Wildlife Fund advocating (couched in advertising for Voyage Home) for the preservation of Whales and where you could donate to make that happen IRL. (5) The film that Voyage Home bumped from the #1 at the box office spot was "Crocodile Dundee" (which you also just recently did on the channel :-) )
Thanks again Cassie, I'm glad you have noticed that Star trek is fundamentally positive about the evolution of human society. It shows us how we can be better and gives us hope that it will come true. Both Star Trek V and VI are with the original cast. It is the seventh film where there is a crossover, but it is mostly Next Gen characters, who are just as good as the original. In the TV series, they start out very wooden and one dimensional, but as the series progress, their experiences together flesh out their characters and relationships.
That bit with Gillian, Kirk and Spock in her truck is just PERFECT comedy timing GOLD! And that last bit about “Italian food” with Kirk and Spock just kills! It will never not be funny to me!! 🤣🤣🤣
wabbit season!
duck season!
wabbit season!
duck season!
ok fine, italian food it is
I Love Italian and so do you. Yes.
Love your last starfighter avatar "Death blossom is ready!!!"
The avatar you use is top notch!
I remember when I saw this movie opening weekend back in 1986, the crowd erupted in laughter when Spock said "Gracie's pregnant".
She said she got goosebumps at the reveal of the Enterprise-A. I first saw this movie as a kid in the late 80s or early 90s and to this day I feel the same way when I see that scene.
People stood up and CHEERED in the theaters during the reveal.
I imagine a lot of the hardcore fans were taken by surprise at the Enterprise-A reveal (I was only 3 at the time, and don't recall seeing it in theaters); most probably assumed that our heroes would crew the USS Excelsior. It was kind of set up as such in Search for Spock, with how Kirk and Sulu spoke so highly of it (to Scotty's chagrin), and after that film came out in '84, a lengthy storyline in the DC-published Star Trek comics also had them serving on the Excelsior, until the comics were reset slightly to align with the events of The Voyage Home. Also, Paramount's marketing team didn't foul up the surprise this time with the trailers, so that helped.
@@alexandercaldwell1411 I think Excelsior WAS part of the early plans for TVH, before deciding they had to do a new Enterprise.
Prior to the events of this film, the newly-constructed Enterprise-A had been originally named the USS Yorktown, but was rechristened Enterprise-A after Kirk and crew saved the planet.
Well, the Enterprise WAS part of the crew, she was family.
Trivia time: The punk rocker blaring the song on the radio was actually the SINGER of the song that was playing.
This was my Fav Star Trek film as a kid from TOS , I was a TNG and DS9 kid and living in Florida i was really into marine science. IDK how but i was 2 and i remember seeing challenger break up and my dad saying ,no no no. He worked for NASA during the Apollo missions..
If you can remember anything at all - that kind of memory WILL leave a mark. Even if later it becomes "a memory of a memory". I "remember" seeing the first Moon Landing. My parents specifically sat my 3 year old self down to watch it. But my ACTIVE memory starts more with Apollo 16-17. I VERY much remember the rover and the upper stages of the LMs lifting off from the Moon!
22:55 The idea that Kirk was a horndog, while now canon, was largely something the fans did. If you actually watch the original show, he may have had a ton of love interests, but in each and every one (that he wasn't brainwashed or controlled into) he was completely sincere. He wasn't a womanizer by any means or promiscuous, he was just unlucky in love.
A lot of what people "know" about Kirk is largely due to pop culture.
For instance, Kirk didn't violate the Prime Directive NEARLY as much as you'd think from pop culture...and even subsequent Star Trek series. In fact, most of those cases require him to clean up the mess someone ELSE made by breaking it, or because he was forced into it by an asshole admiral or ambassador overruling him (A Taste of Armageddon is a great example of that).
Kirk is also always parodied....by......weird cadences of speaking and....dramatic....pauses accompanied by....big movements. Yet while Shatner's performance in the Original Series was certainly the product of its time, he was more than capable of delivering nuance and depth, and is a FAR better actor than he's given credit for. The parodies are exaggerated to the point of absurdity (most of them are based more on Jim Carrey from In Living Color than actually parodying Shatner himself).
People also forget that Kirk is INCREDIBLY SMART, being well-versed in philosophy and history, and is an avid reader. Sure, he's a two-fisted warrior when there was cause for it, but he was a scientist, explorer, and diplomat FIRST.
@@Ambaryerno I really don't think Roddenberry would like the direction Star Trek has gone in the last couple decades.
@@stephanginther9051 Roddenberry didn't like the direction Star Trek was taking before he died.
I read a long blog post years ago that dubbed this the "Capt. Kirk Effect" -- the collective pop culture perception of a character rather than what the character actually was. The blog broke down every romantic encounter Kirk had and found that his daliances and sleeping around were all due to alien mind control or durress. As far as we know, Kirk has had four long-term relationships and he took all of them seriously.
@@Bnio Very true but also the woke crowd these days, who basically own Hollywood are constantly changing stories to fit their narrative often against the original. About a year ago Japan's anime industry noticed that American translators were directly changing dialogue in dubbed anime, inserting political and woke ideology. They were actually rewriting entire episodes to tell a different story entirely. When caught and the Japanese companies objected to them not actually doing their jobs and changing what the message of the anime were, they refused to stop.
Japan basically fired them and they threw a hissy fit and said that the fans that sided with the authors and origin companies were 'virgins.'
Recently a bunch of activists were freaking out because they're making a Harry Potter TV show, rebooting the franchise and JK Rowling will have a hand in the writing.
They were literally having meltdowns because she will have a say in how *her own story* is presented.
"I hope the future is good like this" you captured the essence of why we all love Star Trek.
And also why modern Trek is terrible.
Meanwhile, the actual future looks more like Blade Runner.
@@michaelwong9411 The actual present is already all of the dystopian scifi stories combined.
Indeed. That is more important to me than all the Clarke-tech depicted on it. If we have a future where we all get along, with no wars, crime, poverty, disease, or economic/social/racial/etc inequalities or injustices of any kind, then the FTL travel, transporters, and all the rest of it likely being scientifically impossible (barring some truly amazing black swan events) would not matter to me at all in comparison. Classic Trek captured that help of hope in ways more recent iterations (especially Picard) largely fail to do.
I heard a phrase that says like this we want the future of Star Trek but we will have one of Babylon 5
I love the scene with the obnoxious punk rocker on the bus. Spock gives him the neck pinch and everyone on the bus applauds. 🤣
Spock's "One damn minute, Admiral." always gives me a chuckle.
This was my grandma's favorite Star Trek. She was a Trekkie, born and raised in the Bay area. It had everything she wanted. I have great memories of seeing these movies with her in the theaters.
I had to look at a map of the area to double check a scene. When Gillian picks them up in her truck, they are already in San Francisco, not Sausalito.
@@emilmlodnicki3835 That and the Monterey Bay Aquarium (aka the Cetacean Institute) is a couple hours' drive south of San Francisco.
I like that II/II/IV were a trilogy and that Kirk faced consequences for stealing the Enterprise. He really grew as a character in those three films, and continues to do so in V & VI.
2, 3, and 6 are also thematically linked. 2 starts with Kirk feeling old, too old to really feel like himself and ends with him feeling young. In 6 it's like ten years later and he really is old but doesn't lose that spark - and his final lines of the film show he never intendeds to let age wear him down: Second star to the right and straight on 'till morning.
I didn't like V, but it had one good line, and that's where Kirk says he doesn't want someone to take his pain away, because his pain is part of him. That was quite profound.
@@michaelwong9411 that and Dr. McCoy's story stuck with me a lot
I was one of those who got to attend the advance screening. There was applause when Spock said "it is the human thing to do", applause and happy yelling when Kirk was reduced in rank, but there was not a single person not on the verge of weeping when the 1701-A can into sight.
The funny thing is that transparent aluminum didn't exist when they made the movie, but it does exist now. It's called ALON
Funny. Yeah. Also funny how flip phones "did not exist" back then, yet communicators look and work almost exactly like them. Funny. Funny how Hollywood seems to have inside information on secret future tech. It's almost as if those things actually existed before we knew about them, and that somehow Hollywood has some type of link to covert government operations. Like, if some faction of our government is somehow connected to Hollywood. Like, these people knew what AI was gonna be in 1971, like maybe it already existed in 1971, but they never told us, or something. Yeah, I sound crazy, huh? Must all be coincidence.
,We cannot create transparent aluminum in real life, but we can get close with two transparent ceramics made from aluminum compounds.
@@paulbrut Sapphire is and oxide of aluminium 😉🙂
@@paulbrut I believe the creators said calling it transparent aluminum was fairly accurate.
@@paulbrut Exactly! Aluminium oxynitride isn’t really a metal at all because it is made from equal parts aluminium, nitrogen, and oxygen. The name "Transparent Aluminum" is just a marketing gimmick.
In the novelization of this movie, Scotty already knew that Dr. Nichols at the factory did “invent” transparent aluminum. Scotty recognized his name.
And it has now been invented!
So, Star Trek is real…
depends is it used in space craft?
@@Richard_Ashton
He's absolutely the sort of person who'd make a joke about "maybe this is how it was invented" instead of admitting he knew, too.
@@Knight121198 Called ALON by the Surmet Corporation, Aluminium Oxymiyride, the United States Air Force began testing aluminium oxynitride-based armour in 2005.
The USAF haven’t been in contact with me about this.
Yes of course he invent it. As the story goes, he came up with the idea when he worked at manufacturing plant using polymers.. not long after giving a tour to a couple of visitors. 😂
Regarding the dedication to the victims of the Challenger disaster, it should be remembered that Nichelle Nichols, as a result of her popularity as Uhura, had worked for quite some time as a recruiter for NASA. Consequently she knew all of the people who were aboard the Challenger, and had recruited about half of them into the space program herself; so it's no wonder that she and her Star Trek colleagues wanted to honor them. On a happier note, let me echo a previous commenter's recommendation of Time After Time, a 1979 movie written and directed by Nicholas Meyer, who also co-wrote and directed the second and sixth Star Trek movies (without screen credit on the second one), and co-wrote this one. We know you love romcoms and time travel movies, and this one is wonderful, so you're pretty much guaranteed to love it. There's also a thriller element, with David Warner giving one of the best of his several villain performances; he's also in the fifth and sixth Star Trek movies, though not as a villain in either one.
It happens that I was in New Hampshire the day in 1985 that they announced that Crista McAuliffe was going to be on the Challenger crew in 1986; I remember how proud they all were. 😢
Time after time is also one of my favs. The actor who played HG Wells also appeared in the ST film... 'Generations '
Villain? Only one of the most notorious of all time.
21:25 - The novelization of this movie points out that as an engineer Scotty knew full well that he was in fact offering the formula for transparent aluminum to its actual inventor, and therefore never even risked changing history. Which I always thought made perfect sense.
Interesting, but that creates what's called the "bootstrap paradox" where the formula essentially has no origin.
@@Raja1938 True, but I don't think that this is the first time such a thing happens on Star Trek. It is most definitely not the last time that it does, as it seems to happen pretty often in the later Star trek series.
Me, I just go "Omniverse theory" (aka Multiverse theory) and leave it at that.
I couldn't click on this fast enough, I enjoy watching reaction on a 1st time watch of ST! This film cemented my being a Trekker. I saw it on opening day at age 17 with an audience of hardcore trek fans. It was one of the best movie experiences ever for me! After the weekend, our French professor brought up how great the film was and we all talked about it the entire class.
My favorite line in that whole movie ...makes me tear up every single time....
"It was no effort....you are my son."
Yes.... as a father of 5, any time I see how their choices may hurt them, I want to say something, do something.
As a father of 5, I would do anything for them.
@@andrewpetik2034 well said 👍🏿
For a Vulcan that is practically an admittance of love.
The thing that Trek fans often forget is that Vulcans do have emotions. They work to suppress them, yes. But they still care about their family and friends and want to do the right thing. They're not mindless drones.
Honorable mentions :
“The Captain trust’s your guesses better than most people’s facts!”
And….
“One little mistake!”
My uncle was a Trekkie and took me to see every Star Trek film up to IV. I still remember as a kid being so excited to see this movie. The theater was jam packed and the audience cheered and laughed in unison. Great memories and a classic film, one of my favorites!
"Keyboard. How quaint."
And don't worry. Everybody got full body goosebumps when they flew past Excelsior to see the Enterprise.
I like how when they're warping toward the sun, other stars are just flying right past them.
Long time fans waited 20 years to see Spock, and Sarek reconcile. That's maybe my favorite moment in the film other than the new Enterprise reveal.
This has been so great. If you had seen the original series episode "Journey to Babel" the last scene with Spock and his father would have meant a lot more. That episode showed how their relationship was strained and some excellent drama there with Spock's mom too (same actors!).
Very true.
Transparent aluminium ( actually called Aluminium oxynitride ) was officially patented and manufactured in 1988. It was in early development at the time of production of the movie in 1984. Catherine Hicks (Dr Gillian Taylor) was playing the mother in the very popular sitcom 7th Heaven. The diner scene with Kirk and Dr Taylor was especially funny because, at the time, in 1984, personal portable cell phones (technically called radio-telephones) did not really exist ...or rather not really produced or available to the public. So when she tells him about his "pocket pager beeping", and he suddenly starts talking to it with Uhura.... was funny, and even more hilarious as it was a weird looking Klingon communicator. Most People nowadays would miss that joke because they are almost born with a smart phone in their hand....
My favorite ST movie, partly because I live near San Francisco. As with previous Trek movies I stood in line for 3+ hours on opening night to see a first showing, and it was worth it. An audience full of die-hard fans is so much more alive.
Trivia: The aquarium in the movie is actually in Monterey, over 90 miles south of San Francisco and Sausalito.
Small story: When the dedication to Challenger came up, the theater went dead silent. After several seconds I just by reflex started to clap in approval of the dedication. In seconds the entire theater followed suit and erupted in applause. It was a wonderful and kind of jarring feeling. Personal too because I was home sick from work that day in 1986 and saw the Challenger tragedy happen live and in real time. May they continue to rest in peace.
When I went to see this on opening day, there was a HUGE, raucous standing ovation when the shuttle sailed up and over Excelsior to reveal the new Enterprise. What a wonderful surprise...🤯🤯🤯
This has always been my favorite of all of the older Star Trek movies. It brought back the humor between the three main characters. Especially with Spock learning to use colorful metaphors! Can't even count how many times through the years I have watched it!
"One damn minute, Admiral" still kills me every time I hear it.
I am usually very reluctant and then disappointed by most “reaction” channels but you are making me smile! Your genuineness with the movies definitely comes through. I am not a Trekkie but growing up watching these movies there has always been an appreciation for the story. I am that a younger generation is still being entertained by these now 30-40 plus year old movies. Awesome work..
True.
This movie has always been my favorite one of the original crew. So glad to see others enjoying it
So, although this movie did veer off of the normal story template, which some fans criticize, Nemoy wanted this movie to just be a fun romp...and he succeeded more than I think he even expected. This is definitely one of the most fun movies and it showcases the cast more than any other adventure. You really get to see each ones personality. The comedy was just the right amount, which was perfect. Now I saw this one also in the theater, on opening day, with an audience of I'd guess all fans...and at the end when the Enterprise appeared on screen but with the call number of NCC-1701-A...the audience went crazy. People were actually in tears. We not only got Spock back but our good ole Enterprise was back too, and face it...she's just another member of the cast. Adding the "A" to the end of the number became a permanent tradition with the ships going forward too, which is why in the "Star Trek: The Next Generation" show it's call sign is NCC-1701-D. Now number 5, the next movie isn't the greatest, but definitely watch it. However, the 6th movie is very good and continues themes from these last two movies. Plus being the final one, it really tugs at the heart strings.
“I just got full body goosebumps from Star Trek.” ONE OF US!! ONE OF US!!😁
Great reaction and film. It's undoubtably one of the best Star Trek films, particularly as it's not as violent or dark as the earlier ones. They've gone for a lighter tone with more humour, but still dramatic 'on the edge of your seat', and quite an original story concept, but no spoilers. Glad you like it and I think it's aged well and is a classic, like the original TV series in feel. Have fun.
Random star trek trivia. James Doohan (Scotty) is Canadian and was a soldier in WWII and had some of his fingers shot off during the D-Day landings. He is very careful to keep that hand as out of scene as possible so you almost never notice it.
Voyage Home is generally considered as one of the best Trek movies, it's fun, easy going, easy to watch, it has a goofy yet totally legitimate plot.
The Effect are genuinely great in this movie! The Whales are actually animatronic models that were a few feet long and they also made a couple of full size sections like the tail fin for example.
As for movies, there's two more TOS movies. Final Frontier and Undiscovered country. I would suggest watching both before watching any TNG. Generations is then the first TNG movie which is kind of a crossover. 🙂
BUT before watching the TNG movies, please do watch some highlights episodes at least! The TNG movies are alright, but not as good as the TOS movies. It's really the TV episodes where TNG shines.
In short:
TOS > TNG in movies
TNG > TOS on TV
(Obviously there are those who will disagree with me as well)
Star Trek VI has a couple of references to TNG, but they're mostly along the lines of "oh hey, that Klingon is played by the guy who plays a different Klingon in TNG". Minor fanservice for people who'd already been watching TNG by the time it came out.
@@hypercube8735Michael Dorn said that his character in Star Trek VI was the grandfather of Worf.
I forgot how absolutely enjoyable this movie is; haven’t seen it in years. Tho, a few moments always remained in my memory: Spock doing his nerve pinch to render unconscious that punk with the horrid music. How often I’ve yearned to have Spock’s ability when hearing a certain music (which I won’t name here) boom-booming from people’s cars!!!
For me, the most surprising thing was seeing Vijay Amritaj.
A world famous tennis player and Fox commentator (who was also in the James Bond movie ‘Octopussy’) as a starship captain.
The lad has done well.
Your statement about Vulcan emotions is correct. Their emotions are actually overwhelmingly powerful, to the point that it nearly destroyed their civilization. They learned to suppress and control their emotions through logic, in order to save their society. There is a quote from a Voyager episode that explains this aspect of their species nicely. "They'll realize that beneath your unfeeling exterior is a heart that's breaking silently and in more pain then any of us could possibly understand. Because that's what it is to be Vulcan."
I would call it a Bipolar disorder, or manic depressive. Maintaining a state of zero emotion is like balancing on the edge of a knife.
The Vulcan believe that Spock, being half human, would more easily fall from that balanced edge.
Thought Lower Decks did a good job of going into this as well with the added bonus of giving us the immortal line: "I suppose by the transitive property, I, too, must be Vulcan as a mf'er".
The Next generation episode "Sarek" gives a taste of the strength of Vulcan emotions, Imagine a people like that acting on anger & jealousy emotions for example.. 😱
Don't ever let Vulcans fool you. They HAVE emotions. They just CONTROL them.
I like to believe that Sarek understands better. He'd never actually ADMIT it out loud. But he understands humans very well. He's not only ambassador to the Federation (populated mostly with humans) but he MARRIED one! And did he not admit in Star Trek III that when it came to matters involving his son, "my logic fails me".
Sarek understands.
So does Spock - who later - after having finally come to a truer balance between his Vulcan logic and human emotions, will state with conviction: "Logic is the beginning of wisdom. Not its end."
I agree that Vulcans and Romulans feel emotions (if not controlled) more than humans do. We skim the surface. They dive DEEP into their passions.
In fact, I think both races have a noticeable tendency towards a type of intensity that might almost be called mono-mania.
In Romulans, their passions are controlled in their society by their system of honor and rigid social control that tends towards paranoia.
Vulcans turned their mono-mania in on itself in their pursuit of logic.
You could say that Vulcans are still passionate. They are simply passionate about reason and logic.
Spot on! I always think of of Vulcan emotions as similar to the covered sewer systems we have today. Before modern sewer systems sewage just flowed on the surface and along drainage ditches, then we tunnelled down and buried that sewage underground. Vulcans and emotions are kind of the same. Yes they have emotions, but they are buried and not usually part of their day to day lives. They live and work above their emotions and are unaffected by them. However, like a sewer systems their emotional controls can collapse or break down and it is as traumatizing as a sewage breakdown is for us. (And yes, my analogy would mean we humans live with the raw sewage of our emotions just on the surface and out there day to day. Kinda makes me understand why Vulcan seem to look down their noses at humans.)
Modern Trek always seems to miss this feature of Vulcan emotions. They portray Vulcans as just dedicated stoics which I kinda hate.